Big day in America [The Inauguration Thread]

[likemyorbs]

Well my fellow americans, the time has finally come for us to replace the imbecile we've called our president for the last 8 years. today will be an amazing day for the U.S. and hopefully our relations with the rest of the world will be improved soon. so congrats everyone, enjoy the inauguration! whose as excited as i am??

[jonbravo77]

Well my fellow americans, the time has finally come for us to replace the imbecile we've called our president for the last 8 years. today will be an amazing day for the U.S. and hopefully our relations with the rest of the world will be improved soon. so congrats everyone, enjoy the inauguration! whose as excited as i am??

I'm very excited. I think no matter what everyone's political views are, this day should be looked upon as a great and historic day in American history.

[likemyorbs]

thanks for the title change bluevelvet!

[Blue Velvet]

thanks for the title change bluevelvet!

We may as well have one big mega-thread for today's events, for both supporters and detractors... more fun that way. ;)

[Airforce]

These things are always fun to watch. Much more this time.

I just hope Obama doesn't end up being a lame duck. People are getting their hopes way up, but what they don't understand is that stuff isn't going to change overnight.

[edesignuk]

I'll just copy a post I made else where in a now locked thread...

Right now, at the very least he brings with him a tremendous amount of good will and optimism, that alone has to be worth a fair amount.

Going forward he seems to have surrounded himself with a lot of genuinely good and intelligent people. This gives the impression that he doesn't think he's a one man band and is more than willing to listen to someone with greater expertise in a given field. America and the world needs the best of the best.

I'm not expecting miracles, but I'm certainly hopeful for America and all it's allies that you can stop being the big douche bag we all hate :p :eek:

[rdowns]

I'm already Inaugurationed-Out. Media has been fawning over this for 48 hours already.

I think I'll go play the Goodbye Mr. Bush (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/19/goodbye-mr-bush---play-th_n_159235.html) game. :D

[likemyorbs]

but I'm certainly hopeful for America and all it's allies that you can stop being the big douche bag we all hate :p :eek:

yeah sorry about that by the way, blame bush.

[edesignuk]

yeah sorry about that by the way, blame bush.We do! But that's [almost] behind us now. Best foot forward and all that. :)

[leekohler]

I'll tune in after Rick Warren's invocation. Not going near it til then.

Otherwise- yes, a very good day indeed.

[Airforce]

I'll tune in after Rick Warren's invocation. Not going near it til then.


That is pretty much the meat and potatoes of the day.....

[Ugg]

That is pretty much the meat and potatoes of the day.....

Don't you mean regurgitated bile....

[Blue Velvet]

Crisis: Those gloves do not go with that jacket, Michelle.

[xUKHCx]

BBC just reported that there is an unspecified threat against the inauguration. I guess there are probably threats against every inauguration for quite a while and it is just a standard tactic by those nar do wells.


I have settled in now watching the coverage, have been so for the last 1 hour or so.

[leekohler]

That is pretty much the meat and potatoes of the day.....

Then I'll miss it.

[toaster_oven]

I think this is the first time I've watched an inauguration since 1992.

[Airforce]

I think this is the first time I've watched an inauguration since 1992.

I've watched them since Clinton's first. They all pale in comparison to the just insane amount of people and events going on for this one.

[Lord Blackadder]

Here he comes...my but that is a large crowd.

[fivepoint]

Don't turn on the TV, Lee. He's on right now!

[Airforce]

Then I'll miss it.

You're missing a hell of a speech.

[Lord Blackadder]

Quite a preachy invocation - should turn some heads with the conservatives.

[xUKHCx]

Funny how Obama's middle name was shortened to just an initial when the others weren't.

Rick Warren speech :rolleyes:

[MacNut]

Ok is Aretha a little high.

[freeny]

Sing it Urethra!

I just saw a whole family wearing blue "Snuggies" in the crowd..

[leekohler]

Funny how Obama's middle name was shortened to just an initial when the others weren't.

Rick Warren speech :rolleyes:

Let me know when Warren is off the stage and I'll go to our lunchroom to watch.

[jecapaga]

he's gone...go watch

[MacNut]

Doesn't this have to be done by noon.

[leekohler]

Thanks- going now.

[arkitect]

Sing it Urethra!

Now that is one heck of a name…

[joepunk]

he's off. Thank Zeus

[Lord Blackadder]

Let me know when Warren is off the stage and I'll go to our lunchroom to watch.

He be done - hurry or you'll miss the oaths!

[MacNut]

He be done - hurry or you'll miss the oaths!Thats gonna take a while, we have a rock concert to sit through first.:rolleyes:

[Lord Blackadder]

It ain't rock, it's Yo-Yo Ma!

[Ugg]

he's off. Thank Zeus

He's a terrible speaker. I can't imagine why people go all google eye over him.

[MacNut]

It ain't rock, it's Yo-Yo Ma!What you say about my mama.:p

[joepunk]

What Rick Warren meant to say:

"Bless this presidency for its tolerance of my intolerance."

[zioxide]

this music blows

[thejadedmonkey]

Does anyone know where I can get an mp3 of the composition that John Williams did right before the swearing in of Obama [the one with simple gifts in it]?

EDIT: The one zioxide doesn't like. :p

[Lord Blackadder]

this music blows

I liked it.

Now for the main event!

[Airforce]

Holy hell, he messed up on the freaking oath :p

[xUKHCx]

Wasn't he given those lines to practise? :D I know if that was me I would know them from memory.

[drlunanerd]

Oops, he fluffed his oath :o
Poor guy must be nervous!

[MacNut]

Holy hell, he messed up on the freaking oath :pNot a good way to start.

[Lord Blackadder]

I would probably have done the same. It's a high pressure job.

Not one for the newsreels, perhaps.

[aethelbert]

Funny how Obama's middle name was shortened to just an initial when the others weren't.
I noticed the same thing. Cannot say that I was too surprised, though.

[Watabou]

I think I blame it on the Chief Justice. I think the oath is a little different than what he said.

But yeah Obama was nervous. You could tell.

[Lord Blackadder]

They didn't shorten it during the actual oath though.

[MacNut]

I think I blame it on the Chief Justice. I think the oath is a little different than what he said.

But yeah Obama was nervous. You could tell.It is a set up. Bush is still president.:p

[gibbz]

Holy hell, he messed up on the freaking oath :p

It is about time Obama had a notable flub caught on tape. Now we can all see he is human and enjoy the rest of the day.:)

[freeny]

Not a good way to start.

If you look back, almost every president has messed up the oath.
There is a clip somewhere of a collection of presidents messing up the oath...

[puckhead193]

Holy hell, he messed up on the freaking oath :p

"don't blame me i didn't vote for him"



:p

[MacNut]

If you look back, almost every president has messed up the oath.And everything else.

[Lord Blackadder]

If you look back, almost every president has messed up the oath.

Does that mean that George Washington is technically still president? :eek:

[Ugg]

I think I blame it on the Chief Justice. I think the oath is a little different than what he said.

But yeah Obama was nervous. You could tell.

He was nervous but Roberts had the pauses all wrong.

[MacNut]

Does that mean that George Washington is technically still president? :eek:Well it happened late too, so does that make it a breach of the constitution.

[Lord Blackadder]

He was nervous but Roberts had the pauses all wrong.

Yeah, he rushed through it and tripped Obama up a bit.

[MacNut]

Yeah, he rushed through it and tripped Obama up a bit.Did Bush screw it up?

[Lord Blackadder]

Did Bush screw it up?

I don't think so. Cheney plugged his remote control into a tape recorder and the timing was perfect.

[heehee]

Can I have a play by play?

cnn.com live is not working. :o

[drlunanerd]

Yeah, he rushed through it and tripped Obama up a bit.

I agree, a bit sloppy and unprofessional.

As usual Obama's oratorial skills are still evident though.

[MacNut]

So are we going to just forget that he has a middle name for the next 4 years?

[fireshot91]

Obama said his middle name.
Did he not?

"HeeHee": Right now Obama's speeching? ....saying his Speech.

[Ugg]

So are we going to just forget that he has a middle name for the next 4 years?


What's your point?

[Lord Blackadder]

So are we going to just forget that he has a middle name for the next 4 years?

Meh, I don't think it matters all that much - only the silly arch-conservatives were making a big deal about it.

Barack H. Obama, George W. Bush....no need to say the middle names all the time.

[Blue Velvet]

Can I have a play by play?

cnn.com live is not working. :o

:)

1218 President Obama says: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman, and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more." Again the Mall is a sea of waving flags.

1218 BBC Washington correspondent Richard Lister: He is setting out his transformative agenda: creating a new energy infrastructure. The image of "harnessing" the soil is a notable one...
1217 "As for our common defence, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals."
1216 "This crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control - and that a nation cannot prosper long when it favours only the prosperous."
1215 "The question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small, but whether it works."
1215 "Everywhere we look, there is work to be done. The state of the economy calls for action, bold and swift, and we will act - not only to create new jobs, but to lay a new foundation for growth."

1214 More applause greets President Obama as he says: "Starting today, we must pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and begin again the work of remaking America."
1212 "In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned," the president says.

1211 "Today I say to you that the challenges we face are real. They are serious and they are many. They will not be met easily or in a short span of time. But know this, America - they will be met," President Obama says, to huge applause.
1210 There is a reverent silence. Mr Obama begins. "I stand here today humbled by the task before us, grateful for the trust you have bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne by our ancestors," he says. "I thank President Bush for his service to our nation".

[kavika411]

Damn good speech.

[Watabou]

Can I have a play by play?

cnn.com live is not working. :o

Try nytimes. There is a live feed there and its faster than cnn believe it or not.

[juanster]

not going to lie, first time I actually see him speak on TV aside from the Ellen show, I kinda like him

[Ugg]

Excellent speech made by a great speaker.

[Lord Blackadder]

A tour de force, surely.

[leekohler]

That was a GREAT speech. I feel so relieved that Bush is gone and we have Obama now!

[MacNut]

That was a GREAT speech. I feel so relieved that Bush is gone and we have Obama now!Time will tell.

[Watabou]

That was a GREAT speech. I feel so relieved that Bush is gone and we have Obama now!

Ditto. It was a wonderful speech. That man is awesome and makes me proud of being an American...

I can only hope that he delivers what he talked about.

[Blue Velvet]

1227 His voice rising, Mr Obama reaches the climax of his speech:

"Let it be said by our children's children that when we were tested we refused to let this journey end, that we did not turn back nor did we falter; and with eyes fixed on the horizon and God's grace upon us, we carried forth that great gift of freedom and delivered it safely to future generations." His asks God to bless America, and once again there is wild applause from the thousands on the Mall.


1226 "With hope and virtue, let us brave once more the icy currents, and endure what storms may come."

1225 "... A man whose father less than 60 years ago might not have been served at a local restaurant can now stand before you to take a most sacred oath."

1225 BBC Washington correspondent Richard Lister: He signals a very different worldview from that of his predecessor stating that America cannot keep consuming the world's resources "without regard to effect".

1224 "What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility - a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have duties to ourselves, our nation, and the world..."

1223 "Our challenges may be new... But those values upon which our success depends - hard work and honesty, courage and fair play, tolerance and curiosity, loyalty and patriotism - these things are old."

1222 "For as much as government can do and must do, it is ultimately the faith and determination of the American people upon which this nation relies."

1221 BBC Washington correspondent Richard Lister: His talk of America's military power is a contrast with the Bush years, peppered with words like prudence, humility and restraint. He makes clear that America is not entitled to do as it pleases.

1220 "To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect."

1220 "We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus - and non-believers."

1219 "For those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you."

1219 "Our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint."


Strikes me as a very political and competent speech with key changes signalled. It's also nice to have a poet closing the ceremony rather than a religious person... :)

[leekohler]

Time will tell.

If Obama sits there and does absolutely nothing, he'll be way ahead of Bush.

[zioxide]

Damn good speech.

^

[Lord Blackadder]

Strikes me as a very political and competent speech with key changes signalled. It's also nice to have a poet closing the ceremony rather than a religious person... :)

You spoke too soon - here comes a Reverend!

[MacNut]

If Obama sits there and does absolutely nothing, he'll be way ahead of Bush.His legacy could be the trillion dollar bail out. If that goes well all is forgiven, if it fails...

[aethelbert]

If Obama sits there and does absolutely nothing, he'll be way ahead of Bush.
Again, time will tell...

Also, I found that poem a bit odd.

[Watabou]

Strikes me as a very political and competent speech with key changes signalled. It's also nice to have a poet closing the ceremony rather than a religious person... :)

Too soon! Haha.

There is a benediction going on now

[Blue Velvet]

You spoke too soon - here comes a Reverend!

Damn. BBC video feed has gone down too.

1230 The BBC's Matt Frei at the Capitol: He struck a most businesslike tone. This is a man who takes office with an enormous in-tray of problems. What he has told us is that he will take this crisis and turn it into an opportunity.

[Watabou]

There is a video feed on nytimes that I think, is the same as cnn currently.

[fireshot91]

Who's talking right now?

[MacNut]

There is a video feed on nytimes that I think, is the same as cnn currently.It is all the same.

[Watabou]

Who's talking right now?

Rev. Joseph E. Lowery

EDIT: Right now, the national anthem is going on.

[fireshot91]

Is he Obama's rev.?

[swiftaw]

Is he Obama's rev.?

No, he is the co-founder (with MLK) of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference

[dukebound85]

great speech, esp after that fumble during oath!

thats alooooooot of people in attendance

wonder what the number was

[Island Roots]

great speech, esp after that fumble during oath!

thats alooooooot of people in attendance

wonder what the number was

About 1.4 million according to ABC, not including those along the parade route.

[SactoGuy18]

This speech sounds likes something that Martin Luther King, Jr. would have said in one of his better speeches. :) It sounded more like a good preacher's sermon at times.

At least we avoided the "droning on and on" style that fomer President Bill Clinton was known for. President Clinton's speeches can often be substitutes for a good sleep aid at times.... :rolleyes:

[puckhead193]

i thought the rev. speech was better then Obama..
I like the rhyming part at the end when he talked about the different ethnicities.

[Blue Velvet]

OK, so he was a pastor. But nice and important closing words. :)

I'm pleased and proud for our American friends. Quite a small and humble ceremony considering the size and importance of the country. No military parades or airforce fly-pasts, leave that kind of meaningless pomp to the Brits. :D

President Obama apparently has to attend ten different balls tonight.

I'm watching shots of the Bush family (I think) getting into a helicopter.

[dukebound85]

So here's a question for hypothetical sake

I saw that Obama was President at 12 officially per Constitution. What if he elected to not take the oath?

[Lord Blackadder]

I'm pleased and proud for our American friends. Quite a small and humble ceremony considering the size and importance of the country. No military parades or airforce fly-pasts, leave that kind of meaningless pomp to the Brits. :D

Ah, yes good old republican (in the sense that we are a republic) humility and simplicity. :D

I saw that Obama was President at 12 officially per Constitution. What if he elected to not take the oath?

I believe he must take the oath in order to become president. Could be wrong on that though.

[yg17]

Bush's helicopter is off the ground! He's out of DC!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwnqqj5Q1BU

[AlexH]

Let real life begin...

[Island Roots]

So here's a question for hypothetical sake

I saw that Obama was President at 12 officially per Constitution. What if he elected to not take the oath?
Actually, from noon until when Obama was sworn in, Biden was president as he had already taken the oath of the vice president's office.

[Lord Blackadder]

Bush's helicopter is off the ground! He's out of DC!!!!!

The symbolism is powerful. Marine One circles the capitol for the last time, and Bush has left the building.

[Blue Velvet]

And there he goes. I like the touch of the Obamas walking the Bushes to the helicopter. Great body language...

And also interesting is the overt signaling that this is a continuity of government. No lapse of management at the top, no pause while the country holidays. No waiting until a set moment for the Queen to give a speech. :D

And there the chopper goes over the Mall... end of an era. Beginning of a new one.

[drlunanerd]

No military parades or airforce fly-pasts, leave that kind of meaningless pomp to the Brits. :D

Really? I dont recall Gordon Brown getting a military parade when taking office? :rolleyes: ;)

[Blue Velvet]

Really? I dont recall Gordon Brown getting a military parade when taking office? :rolleyes: ;)

I believe the Queen is the head of state. Thanks for being a killjoy.

[joepunk]

Alrighty, it's over for me, especially when PBS starts talking about what's on the banquet menu.

[Watabou]

I still cannot believe Obama is President. It will take a while to sink in.

Anyways, he signing right now:

[Lord Blackadder]

I believe the Queen is the head of state. Thanks for being a killjoy.

:D

Tried to envision Obama in that fantastic carriage they use for the coronation...can't see it.

I can't watch Brown without being fixed on that thing he does with his mouth between sentences.

[MacNut]

The symbolism is powerful. Marine One circles the capitol for the last time, and Bush has left the building.It is only called Marine One for a President. Bush also won't fly on "Air Force One" either.

[Lord Blackadder]

It is only called Marine One for a President. Bush also won't fly on "Air Force One" either.

I believe it retains Marine/Air Force One status for this final flight.

[Blue Velvet]

Another touch which I didn't miss:

"Non-Believers"

Nice one. Small words can mean big things.

[dukebound85]

I believe it retains Marine/Air Force One status for this final flight.

no


After the swearing-in ceremony at the Capitol, Bush was to take a helicopter to Andrews Air Force Base, where he'll make private remarks inside a hangar. The Bushes then will fly to Midland, Texas, on the familiar blue-and-white presidential aircraft, although it will be called Special Air Mission 28000 instead of Air Force One because Bush is no longer president.

from
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28747121/?GT1=43001


I believe he must take the oath in order to become president. Could be wrong on that though.

the caption on cnn said by constitution, he is officially president at 12 even if not sweared in:confused:. need to look me up some trivia lol

[toontra]

Too much religion in the whole ceremony and the speeches for me, but I guess that's US politics.

[Lord Blackadder]

no

I stand corrected. All the news anchors are mistakenly calling it Marine One.

Suffice to say, it's taking Bush outta DC.

[drlunanerd]

I believe the Queen is the head of state. Thanks for being a killjoy.

Er, no joy-killing here, oh pedantus moderatus :p
I meant it was symbolic of no-one giving a monkey's when Gordon stepped in unelected (although he did have an extra long audience with Her Maj apparently). Note the ;)

[MacNut]

Since most of the new administration is not confirmed, who is in charge? Is Condi Rice still Sec of State?

[jonbravo77]

the caption on cnn said by constitution, he is officially president at 12 even if not sweared in:confused:. need to look me up some trivia lol

Obama became the 44th President at noon, even without taking the oath yet.

AMENDMENT XX
Passed by Congress March 2, 1932. Ratified January 23, 1933.

Note: Article I, section 4, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of this amendment. In addition, a portion of the 12th amendment was superseded by section 3.

Section 1.
The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

[dukebound85]

Obama became the 44th President at noon, even without taking the oath yet.

AMENDMENT XX
Passed by Congress March 2, 1932. Ratified January 23, 1933.

Note: Article I, section 4, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of this amendment. In addition, a portion of the 12th amendment was superseded by section 3.

Section 1.
The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January, and the terms of Senators and Representatives at noon on the 3d day of January, of the years in which such terms would have ended if this article had not been ratified; and the terms of their successors shall then begin.

so what would happen if he refused to take the oath? just curious as i thought that was a requirement

[Peterkro]

Another touch which I didn't miss:

"Non-Believers"

Nice one. Small words can mean big things.

Hmm,I missed that,I'm glad he put it in.It was probably at the time I was shouting at the television about his mention of people of "all faiths".:o

[jecapaga]

I stand corrected. All the news anchors are mistakenly calling it Marine One.

Suffice to say, it's taking Bush outta DC.

Bush outta DC. Never thought I'd see this day come. Get off the helicopter and onto the plane. What a great day!!!! :)

[swiftaw]

so what would happen if he refused to take the oath? just curious as i thought that was a requirement

At least one president (Franklin Pierce), didn't swear the oath (he affirmed it instead).

[swiftaw]

Bush outta DC. Never thought I'd see this day come. Get off the helicopter and onto the plane. What a great day!!!! :)

I think he's going to give a little speech first.

[jonbravo77]

so what would happen if he refused to take the oath? just curious as i thought that was a requirement

Not sure, can't seem to find anything on it. There is plenty on if the President elect gets assassinated before taking the oath then the newly sworn in VP will take over.

EDIT** He wouldn't be able to perform Presidential duties.

[Lord Blackadder]

so what would happen if he refused to take the oath? just curious as i thought that was a requirement

It is a requirement according to the Constitution - though it need not be a religious oath. In the constitution it is referred to as an "oath or affirmation". The form of the oath reflects the beliefs of the person being sworn in.

But the President must take this oath/affirmation in order to become president.

[jonbravo77]

I think he's going to give a little speech first.

Bush is supposed to give a speech before he gets on the plane

[swiftaw]

It is a requirement according to the Constitution - though it need not be a religious oath. In the constitution it is referred to as an "oath or affirmation". The form of the oath reflects the beliefs of the person being sworn in.

Franklin Pierce gave an affirmation. There is some debate over whether Hoover did an affirmation or an oath.

[swiftaw]

Bush is supposed to give a speech before he gets on the plane

Yes, between the helicopter and the plane.

[Blue Velvet]

Hmm,I missed that,I'm glad he put it in.It was probably at the time I was shouting at the television about his mention of people of "all faiths".:o


You know, I've shouted at the telly a few times over the years. But shouting at a video stream doesn't quite have the same appeal... and I'm not sure why.

Like Michelle holding the bible for the oath. Those two are a team.

Re: Oath of office

Barack Obama handled the situation with graceful aplomb. From my live-blogging:
The Chief Justice in fact screwed up the oath. The Constitution requires:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Roberts left out the word "faithfully." (He also said "President to the United States.") Obama saw the mistake and stopped himself to give Roberts a chance to fix it. Roberts redid the line, remembering to throw in "faithfully," but putting it in the wrong place — after "President of the United States" — and, this time, Obama went along with the wording. Close enough, I guess he figured. I wonder what Barack Obama was thinking. Maybe: Some textualist you turned out to be!
Let no one think Barack Obama made the mistake.

ADDED: I've relistened. Roberts puts "faithfully" after "President of the United States" the first time as well as the second. He did not leave it out.

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2009/01/chief-justice-john-roberts-botched-oath.html


Anyway, for better or for worse, President Obama it is. Not bad for a Muslim Indonesian Socialist. ;)

[jonbravo77]

Anyway, for better or for worse, President Obama it is. Not bad for a Muslim Indonesian Socialist. ;)

bites my tongue, remember this is a joyous occasion....

[Lord Blackadder]

Obama just walked into the luncheon, they played "Hail to the Chief" at his entrance for the first time. He looks so young and energetic compared to all those crusty old white congresspeople!

[rdowns]

so what would happen if he refused to take the oath?


Ann Coulter's head would explode.


I hereby declare that Biden's mother be First Grandma. She's adorable.

[jonbravo77]

Obama just walked into the luncheon, they played "Hail to the Chief" at his entrance for the first time. He looks so young and energetic compared to all those crusty old white congresspeople!

Not to get into semantics but that will be the second time they played hail to the chief. The first was right after oath. :)

[swiftaw]

Ann Coulter's head would explode.


I hereby declare that Biden's mother be First Grandma. She's adorable.

Vice-Grandma would be more appropriate.

[jonbravo77]

I think it's pretty cool that The Obama kids grandma is staying with them at the white house...

[Lord Blackadder]

Ann Coulter's head would explode.

We've missed our chance!

[Watabou]

I think it's pretty cool that The Obama kids grandma is staying with them at the white house...

Yeah it gave Jay Leno and David Letterman something to make fun of Obama.

Jay Leno: "Obama's mother in law is moving in the white house with them. I think that qualifies as a change that Barack Obama doesnt believe in." :D

[freeny]

So, how come nothing is fixed yet?...
This Obama guy sucks...

[Thomas Veil]

Just got off work, so this is my first chance to say.......

Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty, we are all free at last!

(Sorry, I just couldn't be as gracious as BV!)

[yg17]

But the President must take this oath/affirmation in order to become president.

So, if they need to take the oath, but Bush's term ended at noon, who was president between noon and the time Obama took the oath, since it wasn't until around 12:05?

[Blue Velvet]

(Sorry, I just couldn't be as gracious as BV!)

I was trying. ;)

[kavika411]

So, if they need to take the oath, but Bush's term ended at noon, who was president between noon and the time Obama took the oath, since it wasn't until around 12:05?

I don't have a site, but I believe (1) Obama became president at noon, and (2) if he didn't ever do the oath, then such would be cause for impeachment at a later time. Not unlike a lawyer (or doctor, I believe) becoming a lawyer upon the results of the bar examination. The swearing in doesn't come for weeks, but you can practice law until then. If you don't take the oath, then that is grounds for disciplinary action at a later time, similar to failure to do your ongoing education hours. Until that disciplinary action occurs, you are a lawyer. I believe the same is true for POTUS; he/she is president at noon, period. If they fail/refuse to take the oath, then Congress would take that up later. If between noon and the swearing in, there had been an attack or something that stalled the swearing in, it would simply be postponed to a better/safer time, without effect on his/her standing as president.

[Thomas Veil]

So, if they need to take the oath, but Bush's term ended at noon, who was president between noon and the time Obama took the oath, since it wasn't until around 12:05?There's a little guy named Rob Ferdingle who has the job of "temporary president" in such instances. He's been doing the job for the past 54 years.

[swiftaw]

CBS are reporting that both Senators Byrd and Kennedy had to leave the luncheon due to medical emergencies.

Byrd is 91, Kennedy has been battling cancer.

[jecapaga]

cnn reporting that Ted Kennedy collapsed at the luncheon and taken away by ambulance.

This coming from their cnn.comlive feed. Nothing up on the main site yet.

[Watabou]

Some sad news I think. CNN reports that Ted Kennedy collapsed during lunch. Aw man. That really sucks. I hope he is alright.

[Thomas Veil]

Holy crap. :(

My prayers and best wishes go out to Kennedy and Byrd.

[jonbravo77]

So, if they need to take the oath, but Bush's term ended at noon, who was president between noon and the time Obama took the oath, since it wasn't until around 12:05?

Obama was President per the constitution at noon. They wrote this so that there would be no hiccup in the balance of power.

[swiftaw]

I can't believe all the free stuff that the guests of the luncheon get.

[Peace]

Robert Byrd and Ted Kennedy both are having medical emergencies.

[NT1440]

cnn reporting that Ted Kennedy collapsed at the luncheon and taken away by ambulance.

This coming from their cnn.comlive feed. Nothing up on the main site yet.
:(

He looked so lively this morning.

[Blue Velvet]

I can't believe all the free stuff that the guests of the luncheon get.

Yeah... it wasn't 'Ladies, please bring a plate'.

[swiftaw]

Yeah... it wasn't 'Ladies, please bring a plate'.

I don't just mean the food. Apparently, they all get a 'gift bag'. It's like the Oscars.

[Blue Velvet]

I don't just mean the food. Apparently, they all get a 'gift bag'. It's like the Oscars.

Heh. Bit bigger than the Oscars. Goodie bags are de rigeur, even for presidential bashes, it seems. Bit like taking birthday cake home, except posher.

[scotthayes]

Do hope Teddy is OK.

[Watabou]

Byrd is reported as being fine. He has some issue but he's all right now. Good.

Still don't know about Kennedy.

[NT1440]

Best of luck Ted.:(

[Thomas Veil]

I don't just mean the food. Apparently, they all get a 'gift bag'. It's like the Oscars.Or Oprah. :D

[MacNut]

Or Oprah. :DI think the Biden's are banned from her show.

[Watabou]

ABC news says Kennedy is stable. Yay. Hopefully he will get better soon!

[rdowns]

Or Oprah. :D


Why doesn't she just pay off the national debt?

[Unspeaked]

Why doesn't she just pay off the national debt?

She doesn't have any bills that small...

[Watabou]

The Obamas are walking...I'm kinda scared here.

[jecapaga]

The Obamas are walking...I'm kinda scared here.

+1

[MacNut]

Your scared, what do you think the dudes walking along side are feeling.

[Watabou]

You're scared, what do you think the dudes walking along side are feeling.

Well I surmise that they were extra cautious. When Obamas came out, people started running and I saw one of the secret service's faces go "what the hell".

[MacNut]

So Hillary was not confirmed today, so who is the current Secretary of State?

[ucfgrad93]

So Hillary was not confirmed today, so who is the current Secretary of State?

Not sure exactly, but I think these are the probable choices: Rice is still Secretary of State, there is none, or it is temporarily someone else from the State Department.

[CalBoy]

So Hillary was not confirmed today, so who is the current Secretary of State?

There isn't one at the moment.

Cabinet members do not need to be present at all times, since they aren't constitutionally required to exist.

Within the next week or so, all of Obama's cabinet will be filled in; that's how it's always been.

[MacNut]

There isn't one at the moment.

Cabinet members do not need to be present at all times, since they aren't constitutionally required to exist.

Within the next week or so, all of Obama's cabinet will be filled in; that's how it's always been.So if all hell breaks loose in the middle east right now, who does what?

[thejadedmonkey]

Whomever's acting as the head of the state department fills in?

EDIT: Looks like there's no computers anyway, so it's not like they could really do much :p

[Macaddicttt]

So if all hell breaks loose in the middle east right now, who does what?

Whoever the president wants does whatever the president tells them to do.

[CalBoy]

So if all hell breaks loose in the middle east right now, who does what?

The President does whatever he feels is necessary.

He is after all the commander-in-chief.

[juanster]

So if all hell breaks loose in the middle east right now, who does what?

that happened a couple of years back, it's still going on right now. no worries after lunch and a party and all that they'll get to work

[MacNut]

Whoever the president wants does whatever the president tells them to do.So why do we need conformation hearings?

[Macaddicttt]

So why do we need conformation hearings?

Well, see what I meant was that the Constitution does not spell out a Secretary of State position, so the Secretary of State has whatever duties the president gives to him. Off the top of my head, though, the line of succession to the presidency includes the Secretary of State, and Clinton would not become president should all those in line before her were to die.

[Chundles]

This is a bad day for America.

You should have enacted some sort of law allowing Bush to stay in office for the following reasons:

1. Jobs. Now that Obama is in office, there are thousands of previously employed political comic artists who will now have to try to work for a living rather than having their jobs done for them by the man at the top - something for which I believe Bush never got due credit.

2. Knowledge. Now that Bush is gone we will never find out if man and the fish can coexist in peace. We will never know just how hard it is to put food on our families. We will never know if it's true that the French have no word for entrepreneur. So much information denied to the world by this unfortunate election result.

[MyDesktopBroke]

And it will remain a mystery if our childrens is learning or isn't.

[MacNut]

Don't forget that Clinton is back, I'm sure Bill will offer some punch lines. Hillary as SOS means Bill will get camera time.

[SmartIndianKid]

So, if they need to take the oath, but Bush's term ended at noon, who was president between noon and the time Obama took the oath, since it wasn't until around 12:05?

I believe CBS (which I was forced to watch the Inauguration on) said for that period of time Biden was actually president.

How accurate that statement is, I don't know. I'm simply relaying what CBS said.

[apsterling]

2. Knowledge. Now that Bush is gone we will never find out if man and the fish can coexist in peace. We will never know just how hard it is to put food on our families. We will never know if it's true that the French have no word for entrepreneur. So much information denied to the world by this unfortunate election result.

I think humans and fish can coexist peacefully.
Irony in the matter is that I used that in a song.

[Thomas Veil]

Your scared, what do you think the dudes walking along side are feeling.This weekend I was watching Obama's train trip. He and Biden were out on the rear platform waving to the crowd. The TV cameras caught some shots of spectators who had climbed the trees in an effort to get a better look at the president-elect.

You wanna talk about Secret Service agents getting nervous???

They were not amused. Those agents hauled ass and got those folks down.

[MacNut]

If the SS has their way the president would never go outside.

[atszyman]

The president never goes outside. Immediately after the election they are flown to Disney where state of the art animatronics workers build a replica. The president then runs things from Cheney's Undisclosed Location™, while the animatronic replica makes all the public appearances. Once the president's term(s) is(are) over the replica is sent back to Disney for use in the theme park.

[Ugg]

So Hillary was not confirmed today, so who is the current Secretary of State?

Wikipedia is your friend!

When there is a vacancy as Secretary, the office is exercised by another member of the cabinet, as was common in earlier history, or, in more recent times, by a subaltern official of the State Department until the President appoints and the United States Senate confirms a new Secretary.


There's an entire non-politically appointed bureaucracy in Washington.

[JG271]

And it will remain a mystery if our childrens is learning or isn't.

Or if humans and fish can coexist peacefully...

hehe. Maybe Bush should have some kind of TV program... where he just talks. That'd be quite funny!

On a more serious note, Ted Kennedy (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7841151.stm) is ok :)

[CalBoy]

So why do we need conformation hearings?
We have confirmation hearings because the Senate has the power to advise and consent to presidential appointments, even those of his cabinet.

In an emergency situation, the President would be issuing orders on his own without a SOS to be there for him. Cabinet members are intended to serve as specialized experts, but ultimate authority is still supposed to rest with the President.
Well, see what I meant was that the Constitution does not spell out a Secretary of State position, so the Secretary of State has whatever duties the president gives to him. Off the top of my head, though, the line of succession to the presidency includes the Secretary of State, and Clinton would not become president should all those in line before her were to die.

Yup, Secretary of State is 4th after VP, Speaker of the House, and President of the Senate Pro Tempore.

Of course no one really knows if the currently established line of succession is constitutional, since it's never been tested.

I for one would be much more comfortable with a line of succession that had more elected officials rather than political appointees.

[Cassie]

I liked that pastor that spoke before Obama's swearing in. He did a great job.

Bush looked so sad at a few points, I feel a little sorry for him.:(

[Dont Hurt Me]

The 8 years of fear,division,and spin are over.:)never been so excited to see a president leave.

[skunk]

I liked that pastor that spoke before Obama's swearing in. The only kind of pastor I like is with a cheese sauce and lots of fresh pesto.

[decksnap]

Funny how Obama's middle name was shortened to just an initial when the others weren't.

No, they shortened Biden's as well. But not Bush.

[leekohler]

Bush looked so sad at a few points, I feel a little sorry for him.:(

You reap what you sow. :mad:

[Dont Hurt Me]

No, they shortened Biden's as well. But not Bush.They should have just used his name dubya.

[NT1440]

They should have just used his name dubya.

We're still talking about him? Man move on, its already been what, 7 hours?:p

[rdowns]

We're still talking about him? Man move on, its already been what, 7 hours?:p

No worries. Everything bad that happened in the past was Clinton's fault and everything moving forward is Obama's.

[MacNut]

The 8 years of fear,division,and spin are over.:)never been so excited to see a president leave.How can you be sure we won't get more spin?

[Ugg]

Ok, so this is petty but do you think Michelle's yellow and green along with Obama's black suit was a subtle nod to the ANC (http://www.anc.org.za/)?

[Dont Hurt Me]

How can you be sure we won't get more spin?Our President isnt a spinner and doesnt seem to be surrounded by a legion of draft dodgers. That in itself is a good thing. Also he is a uniter, not just some A-wipe talking out of the side of his mouth like Rove had Dubya talking. All they ever wanted to represent was the 51% who elected them. Insert profanity We are Americans first not a stinking party. Hannity,Oreilly and Limbaugh go home.:p

[dukebound85]

No worries. Everything bad that happened in the past was Clinton's fault and everything moving forward is Obama's.

well obviously that goes without saying

[MacNut]

I would say lets wait for him to actually do something before we proclaim him the best president ever.

[Macaddicttt]

Ok, so this is petty but do you think Michelle's yellow and green along with Obama's black suit was a subtle nod to the ANC (http://www.anc.org.za/)?

No.

[rdowns]

I would say lets wait for him to actually do something before we proclaim him the best president ever.

No one is ready to carve his image at Mount Rushmore just yet. For the first time I can remember, Americans are hopeful, despite the current economic times. Everything Obama has done and said to date says he won't be anything like Bush. I am willing to give him more rope than any other President before him.

[MacNut]

Once a person takes the seat as president I'm sure a lot of his views will change. What he does with the economy could become his legacy for better or worse.

[joepunk]

The only kind of pastor I like is with a cheese sauce and lots of fresh pesto.

I like Al pastor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_pastor), also known as Tacos al pastor or Tacos de trompo, is a dish developed in México City, likely as a result of the adoption of the Shawarma spit-grilled meat

[Metatron]

If Obama sits there and does absolutely nothing, he'll be way ahead of Bush.

And I only hope that is exactly what he does...

[Thomas Veil]

The 8 years of fear,division,and spin are over.:)never been so excited to see a president leave.You and me both.

For the first time in eight years, I'll be able to wake up in the morning and read the news without wincing or feeling my blood pressure rise.

[fivepoint]

You and me both.

For the first time in eight years, I'll be able to wake up in the morning and read the news without wincing or feeling my blood pressure rise.

If you can wake up and read the news without wincing or feeling your blood pressure rise, simple because Bush is gone... you're really not looking hard enough.

[MacNut]

If you can wake up and read the news without wincing or feeling your blood pressure rise, simple because Bush is gone... you're really not looking hard enough.I agree, there are plenty of things to be pissed about without Bush around.

[likemyorbs]

oh my, how my thread has grown. i havent been back here all day and then i just wasted an hour in that god forsaken israel/palestine war thread, and i didnt even post anything! (except that the thread needs to be locked). anyway, i still cant believe obama is our president, hasnt sunk in yet

[jonbravo77]

oh my, how my thread has grown. i havent been back here all day and then i just wasted an hour in that god forsaken israel/palestine war thread, and i didnt even post anything! (except that the thread needs to be locked). anyway, i still cant believe obama is our president, hasnt sunk in yet

Ya, don't go to that thread. I thought it was a great day and a great speech. Very honored to have a president that seems very down to earth and with the times...

[Thomas Veil]

I agree, there are plenty of things to be pissed about without Bush around.Of course. It's just that he was so reliable. :D

I'm not saying there aren't other problems. I'm saying that if I wake up in the morning and Washington D.C. is on fire, I can, for the first time in eight years, be reasonably sure that the guy on the White House won't say, "I know how to put it out! Let's use gasoline!"

BTW, look what the movers found in Dick Cheney's wastebasket:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/bill-of-rights-small.png

[63dot]

I was quite happy to see W go. And even though I voted Green Party, I have high hopes for President Obama over a lengthy period of time. Our recession will take time to turn around. Rising gas prices, unemployment at nearly 7% percent, no end in sight for real estate crash.

[macfan881]

the obamas are sure gonna be tired cnn said they are going to be attending 10 balls over all tonight and they been up since id say 3-4 am atleast. anyway its beeen a good day im really looking forward to the next 4 years and i do have to say check out the new white house website its pretty cool.

[likemyorbs]

the obamas are sure gonna be tired cnn said they are going to be attending 10 balls over all tonight and they been up since id say 3-4 am atleast. anyway its beeen a good day im really looking forward to the next 4 years and i do have to say check out the new white house website its pretty cool.

now is that web site totally new? or was it always there and polluted with bush stuff before?

[jonbravo77]

now is that web site totally new? or was it always there and polluted with bush stuff before?

From what I understand it's a complete re-design. The Logo may be the same. Not sure, never actually visited the site until tonight. :)

[macfan881]

From what I understand it's a complete re-design. The Logo may be the same. Not sure, never actually visited the site until tonight. :)

yeah they pointed out earlier right after obama was sworn in on cnn that they did a complete overhaull on the website

[dsharits]

The 8 years of fear,division,and spin are over.:)

Yep, now we move on to at least 4 years of fear, division, spin and socialism! Yippee!





:rolleyes:

[likemyorbs]

Yep, now we move on to at least 4 years of fear, division, spin and socialism! Yippee!





:rolleyes:

socialism huh? looks like we have a republican in the house!

[dsharits]

Nope, I am not a Republican. I'm simply a Conservative, more Libertarian than anything.

[likemyorbs]

Nope, I am not a Republican. I'm simply a Conservative, more Libertarian than anything.

well, to each his own. thats why this country is awesome, god bless america! (even if he doesnt exist). and on a side note, i thank obama for mentioning non-believers in his speech

[johnmartin78]

As far as Warren goes,I don't agree with his view on gays,but I mean it's what his belief system dictates.

If you're truly a liberal,you accept other peoples right to their beliefs.And not just accept their right to believe in what they want,as long as it's the same as what you believe.

[jonbravo77]

As far as Warren goes,I don't agree with his view on gays,but I mean it's what his belief system dictates.If you're truly a liberal,you accept other peoples right to their beliefs.Not just accepting their right to believe in what they want as long as it's the same as what you believe.

I don't have a problem with what the guy believes either, that's his choice. But if he comes out against gays and then goes on national television to give a prayer about God loving all he has made (and Warren did say this) I just hate the contradiction.

[sushi]

So, if they need to take the oath, but Bush's term ended at noon, who was president between noon and the time Obama took the oath, since it wasn't until around 12:05?
Interesting question.

I would say lets wait for him to actually do something before we proclaim him the best president ever.
Agree. Let's see what he actually does.

For the first time I can remember, Americans are hopeful, despite the current economic times.
This much is true.

Once a person takes the seat as president I'm sure a lot of his views will change.
When he gets his first real update on the state of the world, our secret treaties, agreements, etc., it is quite the eye opener of that I am sure.

If you can wake up and read the news without wincing or feeling your blood pressure rise, simple because Bush is gone... you're really not looking hard enough.
So many issues and hotspots around the world these days.

[iObama]

As far as Warren goes,I don't agree with his view on gays,but I mean it's what his belief system dictates.

If you're truly a liberal,you accept other peoples right to their beliefs.And not just accept their right to believe in what they want,as long as it's the same as what you believe.

Yeah. Cause only liberals support freedom of thought and speech. No Conservative do.

And of course, if Warren supported Prop 8, he hates gays. He's a big fat gay hater. With all that love he has for them. Someone has to hold him back!

[likemyorbs]

Yeah. Cause only liberals support freedom of thought and speech. No Conservative do.

And of course, if Warren supported Prop 8, he hates gays. He's a big fat gay hater. With all that love he has for them. Someone has to hold him back!

that's true, as a liberal im a firm supporter of gay marriage. however, Warren has his set of beliefs, and it doesnt mean he hates gays, hes just uncomfortable with gay marriage as many people are still today. just as it was with racism, it fades in society over years. in 30 years from now kids will probably be saying "wow i cant believe gay people couldnt get married until 20...!". also, just because he did a prayer during the inauguration, it doesnt mean that obama is now conservative and will forget all about his plan to federally legalize civil unions, which grant the same exact rights as marriage.

[joepunk]

BTW, look what the movers found in Dick Cheney's wastebasket:

Are the Whitehouse Movers in anyway related to the Plumbers? :p

[jonbravo77]

Are the Whitehouse Movers in anyway related to the Plumbers? :p

Shhh, they are the plumber's and one of them is named Joe... :eek:

[iObama]

just as it was with racism, it fades in society over years.

Comparing a supporter of Prop 8 - myself included - to a racist is highly offensive. I don't hate gay people, I don't support their marriage. I do, however, support a federal passing of legislation on civil unions that have EQUAL RIGHTS as marriage would. I am 100% in support of that.

Racism is/was a hatred of the people. Not nearly the same thing. :mad:

That being said... YAHOO FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!!

[likemyorbs]

Comparing a supporter of Prop 8 - myself included - to a racist is highly offensive. I don't hate gay people, I don't support their marriage. I do, however, support a federall passing of legislation on civil unions that have EQUAL RIGHTS as marriage would. I am 100% in support of that.

Racism is/was a hatred of the people. Not nearly the same thing. :mad:



sorry if it came off that way, i know most prop 8 supporters arent hateful. what i meant was just like racism eventually became know as an old fashioned ideal, being against gay marriage will soon become that way too. the people who were pro integration in america in the 1950's were also considered liberals. it seems as if the liberal ideal always ends up prevailing with time, because after a while that ideal is no longer liberal, its mainstream.

[juanster]

Yep, now we move on to at least 4 years of fear, division, spin and socialism! Yippee!





:rolleyes:


even if that was right, that would be better than the last 8 years,, so yeah yipppeee

[donga]

anyone check whitehouse.gov (http://www.whitehouse.gov) lately?

soooooo much better than yesterday

[PcBgone]

As many are so Joyous...

I am so saddened. Darkness today has been cast on this Great Nation. Fear now runs rampant. Hope is gone. Im terrified of what this man will change in this country....

[likemyorbs]

As many are so Joyous...

I am so saddened. Darkness today has been cast on this Great Nation. Fear now runs rampant. Hope is gone. Im terrified of what this man will change in this country....

wacky

[juanster]

As many are so Joyous...

I am so saddened. Darkness today has been cast on this Great Nation. Fear now runs rampant. Hope is gone. Im terrified of what this man will change in this country....

well.. dont think it can get that much worst dont worry

[jonbravo77]

As many are so Joyous...

I am so saddened. Darkness today has been cast on this Great Nation. Fear now runs rampant. Hope is gone. Im terrified of what this man will change in this country....

If you are so terrified I'm sure I can name a few countries you can move to to get away from all this rampant fear and hopelessness.

[Thomas Veil]

anyone check whitehouse.gov (http://www.whitehouse.gov) lately?

Yeah. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6970444#post6970444)

[juanster]

If you are so terrified I'm sure I can name a few countries you can move to to get away from all this rampant fear and hopelessness.

I agree

[PcBgone]

If you are so terrified I'm sure I can name a few countries you can move to to get away from all this rampant fear and hopelessness.

If you got airfare money Im all for it!

[sushi]

anyone check whitehouse.gov (http://www.whitehouse.gov) lately?
Yep. :)

Just don't go to Whitehouse.com. :eek:

Im terrified of what this man will change in this country....
While not terrified, as a conservative I am a bit concerned on some of his policies. But we'll see.

[mgguy]

Too much religious hocus pocus for my liking. God this, god that, sheesh. Sounds like a bunch of right-wing religious fanatics.

[jonbravo77]

If you got airfare money Im all for it!

Cool, Iraq it is... I'm pretty sure you won't be terrified over there. Bush and Cheney say everything is just swell, no fear, no hopelessness.

[PcBgone]

Cool, Iraq it is... I'm pretty sure you won't be terrified over there. Bush and Cheney say everything is just swell, no fear, no hopelessness.

Nope, no fear of Iraq. The terrorists are gone. The Dictator has been killed. Why would anyone fear Iraq? Its a beautiful country.

[SactoGuy18]

This is a bad day for America.

You should have enacted some sort of law allowing Bush to stay in office for the following reasons:

1. Jobs. Now that Obama is in office, there are thousands of previously employed political comic artists who will now have to try to work for a living rather than having their jobs done for them by the man at the top - something for which I believe Bush never got due credit.

2. Knowledge. Now that Bush is gone we will never find out if man and the fish can coexist in peace. We will never know just how hard it is to put food on our families. We will never know if it's true that the French have no word for entrepreneur. So much information denied to the world by this unfortunate election result.

Okay, where's the "/sarc" tag? ;)

[joepunk]

Here's a large satellite view (http://www.popsci.com/content/inauguration-day) of the inauguration day.

[jonbravo77]

Nope, no fear of Iraq. The terrorists are gone. The Dictator has been killed. Why would anyone fear Iraq? Its a beautiful country.

That's what I am saying. Off you go then. We don't need you way of thinking here in America. We are on a path to change and if you are not willing to help because you are curled up in the fetal position in your bed do to "fear" and no hope than off with you...

Not trying to be funny or a jerk. But seriously, love it or leave it.

[jonbravo77]

Here's a large satellite view (http://www.popsci.com/content/inauguration-day) of the inauguration day.

This was pretty cool. Did you get this from CNN? They must have paid a pretty penny for this.

EDIT** just followed the link.

[PcBgone]

That's what I am saying. Off you go then. We don't need you way of thinking here in America. We are on a path to change and if you are not willing to help because you are curled up in the fetal position in your bed do to "fear" and no hope than off with you...

Not trying to be funny or a jerk. But seriously, love it or leave it.

As I stated before, Give me the Cash, and Im gone. After all this is Socialist America now...Wheres my share of the pot? I dont want to live in this country anymore. Unfortunately, I dont have the cash to move internationally. Unless your willing to fork out the cash for my plane ride.

[jonbravo77]

As I stated before, Give me the Cash, and Im gone. After all this is Socialist America now...Wheres my share of the pot? I dont want to live in this country anymore. Unfortunately, I dont have the cash to move internationally. Unless your willing to fork out the cash for my plane ride.

Sorry, but I am broke thanks in part by your savior George W. Bush.

[juanster]

As I stated before, Give me the Cash, and Im gone. After all this is Socialist America now...Wheres my share of the pot? I dont want to live in this country anymore. Unfortunately, I dont have the cash to move internationally. Unless your willing to fork out the cash for my plane ride.

LOl oh the ignorance of some people... that quote reminds me of Micahel's Moore explaining what socialism means to some (the ignorant ones) Americans..

[jonbravo77]

LOl oh the ignorance of some people... that quote reminds me of Micahel's Moore explaining what socialism means to some (the ignorant ones) Americans..

Well, this is why this country is great. Everyone gets that right to their opinion.

[juanster]

Well, this is why this country is great. Everyone gets that right to their opinion.

absolutely agree with you...

[iObama]

Too much religious hocus pocus for my liking. God this, god that, sheesh. Sounds like a bunch of right-wing religious fanatics.

Sheesh! Sounds like a bunch of Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Buddhist-hating Atheist annoying people!

[CalBoy]

Comparing a supporter of Prop 8 - myself included - to a racist is highly offensive.

This is incredibly off topic in regards to this thread, and while I don't want to get into this here (because it is in the wrong thread), I feel I must take the bait.

If it's offensive to you, reexamine your reasoning. Somewhere in the woodwork, there lies inconsistent reasoning that has the same foundation as some types of racism.

Racism is/was a hatred of the people. Not nearly the same thing. :mad:

There are many shades of racism; not all of them involve a blanket hatred of all of one type of people.

The crux of the matter lies in how you make your decisions in life; if someone's race or sexual orientation plays any role in the way you want to treat them (including semantically), then you aren't as fair-minded as you'd like to consider yourself.

And of course, if Warren supported Prop 8, he hates gays. He's a big fat gay hater. With all that love he has for them. Someone has to hold him back!
Warren doesn't hate gay people because he voted and campaigned for Prop 8; he hates gay people because he preaches that they are a curse upon society and must be 'cured' of their problems.

He doesn't love gay people for who they are, but for who he'd like them to be.
As I stated before, Give me the Cash, and Im gone. After all this is Socialist America now...Wheres my share of the pot? I dont want to live in this country anymore. Unfortunately, I dont have the cash to move internationally. Unless your willing to fork out the cash for my plane ride.

Alas the only other developed nations on this planet are even more "socialist" than this one, so I guess it's slim pickings for you. ;)

[iObama]

@ CalBoy:

Of course, you're right and I'm wrong. Of course you're right about me treating people differently because they're gay. You know me better than I know myself, and you can totally see that I am subconsciously a gay-hater. I supported Prop 8! I must be! Everyone who supported it is. They just don't know it.

You know.

I forgot.

:rolleyes:

[CalBoy]

@ CalBoy:

Of course, you're right and I'm wrong. Of course you're right about me treating people differently because they're gay. You know me better than I know myself, and you can totally see that I am subconsciously a gay-hater. I supported Prop 8! I must be! Everyone who supported it is. They just don't know it.

You know.

I forgot.

:rolleyes:

I know sarcasm is the favorite pass time of the American teenager, but do read my post again.

I don't claim to know what you think, but rather that your logical basis for it is inconsistent.

I'm also pointing out to you that because you may support one area of gay rights (civil unions) doesn't meant that you aren't being prejudicial in other areas (ie being picky over semantics).

You still have many years to learn and grow as a person; despite knowing that you won't bother to pay attention, I feel compelled to remind you that the world isn't quite what you think it to be.