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todd2000
Jan 21, 2009, 09:41 PM
Sure is a change from the previous administration. Lets just hope they can actually follow through with these promises. Just acknowledging the issues that face our community is a step in the right direction, especially compared to Bush. I doubt Bush even knew what the Stonewall riots were. :)


Support for the LGBT Community

"While we have come a long way since the Stonewall riots in 1969, we still have a lot of work to do. Too often, the issue of LGBT rights is exploited by those seeking to divide us. But at its core, this issue is about who we are as Americans. It's about whether this nation is going to live up to its founding promise of equality by treating all its citizens with dignity and respect."
-- Barack Obama, June 1, 2007

Expand Hate Crimes Statutes: In 2004, crimes against LGBT Americans constituted the third-highest category of hate crime reported and made up more than 15 percent of such crimes. President Obama cosponsored legislation that would expand federal jurisdiction to include violent hate crimes perpetrated because of race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity, or physical disability. As a state senator, President Obama passed tough legislation that made hate crimes and conspiracy to commit them against the law.

Fight Workplace Discrimination: President Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, and believes that our anti-discrimination employment laws should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity. While an increasing number of employers have extended benefits to their employees' domestic partners, discrimination based on sexual orientation in the workplace occurs with no federal legal remedy. The President also sponsored legislation in the Illinois State Senate that would ban employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Support Full Civil Unions and Federal Rights for LGBT Couples: President Obama supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples legal rights and privileges equal to those of married couples. Obama also believes we need to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex couples in civil unions and other legally-recognized unions. These rights and benefits include the right to assist a loved one in times of emergency, the right to equal health insurance and other employment benefits, and property rights.

Oppose a Constitutional Ban on Same-Sex Marriage: President Obama voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment in 2006 which would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman and prevented judicial extension of marriage-like rights to same-sex or other unmarried couples.

Repeal Don't Ask-Don't Tell: President Obama agrees with former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff John Shalikashvili and other military experts that we need to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Discrimination should be prohibited. The U.S. government has spent millions of dollars replacing troops kicked out of the military because of their sexual orientation. Additionally, more than 300 language experts have been fired under this policy, including more than 50 who are fluent in Arabic. The President will work with military leaders to repeal the current policy and ensure it helps accomplish our national defense goals.

Expand Adoption Rights: President Obama believes that we must ensure adoption rights for all couples and individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. He thinks that a child will benefit from a healthy and loving home, whether the parents are gay or not.

Promote AIDS Prevention: In the first year of his presidency, President Obama will develop and begin to implement a comprehensive national HIV/AIDS strategy that includes all federal agencies. The strategy will be designed to reduce HIV infections, increase access to care and reduce HIV-related health disparities. The President will support common sense approaches including age-appropriate sex education that includes information about contraception, combating infection within our prison population through education and contraception, and distributing contraceptives through our public health system. The President also supports lifting the federal ban on needle exchange, which could dramatically reduce rates of infection among drug users. President Obama has also been willing to confront the stigma -- too often tied to homophobia -- that continues to surround HIV/AIDS.

Empower Women to Prevent HIV/AIDS: In the United States, the percentage of women diagnosed with AIDS has quadrupled over the last 20 years. Today, women account for more than one quarter of all new HIV/AIDS diagnoses. President Obama introduced the Microbicide Development Act, which will accelerate the development of products that empower women in the battle against AIDS. Microbicides are a class of products currently under development that women apply topically to prevent transmission of HIV and other infections.



Ugg
Jan 21, 2009, 11:33 PM
That's pretty cool. Hopefully we'll see some real progress.

iParis
Jan 21, 2009, 11:40 PM
Awesome! I can't wait for this to start kicking in.

CalBoy
Jan 21, 2009, 11:55 PM
That's pretty cool. Hopefully we'll see some real progress.

Awesome! I can't wait for this to start kicking in.

Don't expect much (I hate to be Debbie Downer, but someone has to :().

I think Obama is going to be fairly silent during his first term on gay rights issues. If he's reelected, however, expect to see more movement then (and if the Democrats still control Congress).

The most important thing Obama can do now can be boiled down into one essential truth: judges, judges, judges!

Dmac77
Jan 22, 2009, 12:20 AM
I'd welcome the change, but I'm going to have to agree with CalBoy.

Don

Ugg
Jan 22, 2009, 12:41 AM
Don't expect much (I hate to be Debbie Downer, but someone has to :().

I think Obama is going to be fairly silent during his first term on gay rights issues. If he's reelected, however, expect to see more movement then (and if the Democrats still control Congress).

The most important thing Obama can do now can be boiled down into one essential truth: judges, judges, judges!

I'm cautiously optimistic. Don't Ask, Don't Tell will go pretty quickly. My guess is that he's going to work out a compromise, maybe civil unions for the issue of gay marriage. I really get the impression that he thinks it's an important issue.

I agree that the judges are the best thing he could do for everyone and I wonder how much longer until we see a Supreme Court Justice hand in a resignation.

Much Ado
Jan 22, 2009, 11:30 AM
I think Obama is going to be fairly silent during his first term on gay rights issues.

With the world as volatile as it is, Obama cannot afford to push issues into a second term that may simply not come his way, I believe.

CalBoy
Jan 22, 2009, 12:16 PM
I'm cautiously optimistic. Don't Ask, Don't Tell will go pretty quickly. My guess is that he's going to work out a compromise, maybe civil unions for the issue of gay marriage. I really get the impression that he thinks it's an important issue.

Don't Ask Don't Tell is something we shouldn't even be talking about in 2009. It's an embarrassment on our nation's history. Obama's quick movement to end that policy, I think, shows where his heart lies, but also signals the pace at which he is going to move. Dealing with a 16+ year-old issue isn't cutting edge.

I agree that the judges are the best thing he could do for everyone and I wonder how much longer until we see a Supreme Court Justice hand in a resignation.
Funny thing that...I was going to start a thread on that very thing today. :)
With the world as volatile as it is, Obama cannot afford to push issues into a second term that may simply not come his way, I believe.

Democratic presidents have the luxury to push gay rights and other social issues into their second terms because we have no other options at the ballot box.

If Obama is clever (and I think it is quite clear that he is), he will avoid the issue until after his reelection bid in order to avoid charges that he is a "bleeding heart liberal" by the next evangelical to run from the Republican Party.

leekohler
Jan 22, 2009, 12:42 PM
Don't expect much (I hate to be Debbie Downer, but someone has to :().

I think Obama is going to be fairly silent during his first term on gay rights issues. If he's reelected, however, expect to see more movement then (and if the Democrats still control Congress).

The most important thing Obama can do now can be boiled down into one essential truth: judges, judges, judges!

I'd welcome the change, but I'm going to have to agree with CalBoy.

Don

Let me tell you both something right now:

If Obama were not serious about this, it wouldn't be on the WH website. Guantanamo has already been ordered closed. Don't think that he won't be serious about what's mentioned here too, he will.

The Dark Times are over, young padawan. Keep your chins up, and expect and demand our rights.

CalBoy
Jan 22, 2009, 12:50 PM
Let me tell you both something right now:

If Obama were not serious about this, it wouldn't be on the WH website. Guantanamo has already been ordered closed. Don't think that he won't be serious about what's mentioned here too, he will.

The Dark Times are over, young padawan. Keep your chins up, and expect and demand our rights.

Sorry Lee, but having taken enough political science classes, I'm not going to hold my breath.

At most, we'll see the end of Don't Ask Don't Tell and the severe restrictions on adoption at the Federal level.

Civil unions/gay marriage is too messy an issue for Obama to deal with in his first term with a crappy economy, Bush torture tactics to end, and the host of other problems we have.

Obama will be setting the right tone though, and I'm sure we're going to see Federal grant money go towards some gay outreach programs, etc. Just don't expect him or Harry Reid to take on any tough gay rights issues for the next four years.

Nancy Pelosi might be ready (she did try to pass the Matthew Shepard Act in 2007, it failed in the Senate IIRC), but we have to remember that her district is San Francsico.

leekohler
Jan 22, 2009, 12:59 PM
Sorry Lee, but having taken enough political science classes, I'm not going to hold my breath.

At most, we'll see the end of Don't Ask Don't Tell and the severe restrictions on adoption at the Federal level.

Civil unions/gay marriage is too messy an issue for Obama to deal with in his first term with a crappy economy, Bush torture tactics to end, and the host of other problems we have.

Obama will be setting the right tone though, and I'm sure we're going to see Federal grant money go towards some gay outreach programs, etc. Just don't expect him or Harry Reid to take on any tough gay rights issues for the next four years.

Nancy Pelosi might be ready (she did try to pass the Matthew Shepard Act in 2007, it failed in the Senate IIRC), but we have to remember that her district is San Francsico.

Of course he will. But you make it sound as if nothing will happen for us in the first term. It's going to- absolutely.

In the meantime, I don't want to hear sniveling. It's time the scream louder than ever. NOW- not the second term. NOW.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell will be first. DOMA will be next. If you don't see those as major things to happen in Obama's first term, I don't know what to tell you- given what we've gotten from other presidents which is NOTHING.

Ugg
Jan 22, 2009, 01:49 PM
If Obama were not serious about this, it wouldn't be on the WH website. Guantanamo has already been ordered closed. Don't think that he won't be serious about what's mentioned here too, he will.


I agree with you. He is serious about it, but I also don't think that he knows how to make it happen. That's why I think there will be some effort to find a compromise. It's also why Rick Warren was elevated beyond his position:D Any serious effort to change the DOMA has to involve the evangelicals.

Bringing people together is what Obama is about. Getting them to agree on something is in great measure up to us.

Prof.
Jan 22, 2009, 02:40 PM
Gay rights? Maybe. Gay Marriage? Absolutely not.:(

leekohler
Jan 22, 2009, 02:45 PM
Gay rights? Maybe. Gay Marriage? Absolutely not.:(

You have been a feisty one lately too. I need to sit you, Calboy and Dmac in a corner for a time-out I think.

You guys! This is the closest we have ever come to a president actually giving a crap, and all you can do is complain!

This is NOT the time to complain. Get loud! Write as many e-mails and letters as you can. Get your butts to the protests! This is where it begins.

It starts with us.

Prof.
Jan 22, 2009, 02:47 PM
I'm just being realistic, Lee.

PS - if you're gonna put us in time-out, does that include getting spanked? :p

leekohler
Jan 22, 2009, 03:05 PM
I'm just being realistic, Lee.

That may be, but it sounds more like cynicism to me. You get nowhere thinking that way.

PS - if you're gonna put us in time-out, does that include getting spanked? :p

Only if you're really good. ;) :D

Prof.
Jan 22, 2009, 03:08 PM
Only if you're really good. ;) :D
Ooooooo! I'll be an angel o:-)

:D

leekohler
Jan 22, 2009, 03:24 PM
Ooooooo! I'll be an angel o:-)

:D

You youngins... :D Behave yourselves!

Counterfit
Jan 22, 2009, 04:44 PM
Tape it and maybe you guys could make some money. :p

Has anyone challenged the DoMA with regards to its conflict with the full faith and credit clause? Or is the US Constitution just a speedbump in the way of "protecting marriage"?

leekohler
Jan 22, 2009, 04:58 PM
Tape it and maybe you guys could make some money. :p

Don't encourage them. :)

Has anyone challenged the DoMA with regards to its conflict with the full faith and credit clause? Or is the US Constitution just a speedbump in the way of "protecting marriage"?

I'm not aware of any such challenge at the moment.

Queso
Jan 22, 2009, 05:32 PM
I'll point out at this point that it took our own Labour Party seven years to achieve everything it wanted to do for LGBT rights, yet since taking power in 1997 they have:-

• achieved an equal age of consent (16 for all)
• ended the ban on LGBT people serving in our armed forces
• ended discrimination against Lesbian & Gay partners for immigration purposes
• given LGBT people the right to adopt children
• scrapped the homophobic Section 28 (Clause 2a in Scotland) banning "promotion" of homosexuality in schools
• become a signatory of the Treaty of Amsterdam, which gave the EU powers to end discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation
• banned discrimination in the workplace and in vocational training with the introduction of the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations
• put in place legislation for the creation of the Equality and Human Rights Commission(EHRC) which will give LGBT people statutory body protection
• widened the definition of hate crimes, and increased sentencing for homophobic hate crimes
• removed outdated offences such as gross indecency and buggery
• produced and implemented the Gender Recognition Act, allowing Trans people to have their true gender recognised in law
• created the Civil Partnerships Act, allowing LGB people to have their loving relationships recognised by law and have the same benefits as married couples.
• outlawed discrimination in good and services (with no exceptions)

So it takes time, but if the will is there it will happen eventually. Give the new administration a chance.

Prof.
Jan 22, 2009, 07:51 PM
You youngins... :D Behave yourselves!
But being naughty is sooooooo much more fun! :D:p

CalBoy
Jan 23, 2009, 01:19 AM
Of course he will. But you make it sound as if nothing will happen for us in the first term. It's going to- absolutely.

I'm the kind of person who prepares for the worst, so for the moment I have to set myself up to assume that Obama can and will do nothing.

That way, I don't forget the cause, and I won't be disappointed when he doesn't help us as much as we would like to believe.

DOMA will be next.

I doubt it. Any attempt to overturn DOMA would be met by a full filibuster in the Senate.

The only chance of DOMA being overturned during Obama's first term is dependent on the Supreme Court, and there aren't enough votes for that to happen yet.


Has anyone challenged the DoMA with regards to its conflict with the full faith and credit clause? Or is the US Constitution just a speedbump in the way of "protecting marriage"?

There are no challenges yet, and there probably won't be until at least one of non-liberal justices is replaced.
I'll point out at this point that it took our own Labour Party seven years to achieve everything it wanted to do for LGBT rights, yet since taking power in 1997 they have:-

• achieved an equal age of consent (16 for all)
• ended the ban on LGBT people serving in our armed forces
• ended discrimination against Lesbian & Gay partners for immigration purposes
• given LGBT people the right to adopt children
• scrapped the homophobic Section 28 (Clause 2a in Scotland) banning "promotion" of homosexuality in schools
• become a signatory of the Treaty of Amsterdam, which gave the EU powers to end discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation
• banned discrimination in the workplace and in vocational training with the introduction of the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations
• put in place legislation for the creation of the Equality and Human Rights Commission(EHRC) which will give LGBT people statutory body protection
• widened the definition of hate crimes, and increased sentencing for homophobic hate crimes
• removed outdated offences such as gross indecency and buggery
• produced and implemented the Gender Recognition Act, allowing Trans people to have their true gender recognised in law
• created the Civil Partnerships Act, allowing LGB people to have their loving relationships recognised by law and have the same benefits as married couples.
• outlawed discrimination in good and services (with no exceptions)

So it takes time, but if the will is there it will happen eventually. Give the new administration a chance.

All of the things in blue are things that aren't present in US law to my knowledge.

To think that Obama can accomplish even half of these things within 4 years and with a Republican Senate minority that is willing to filibuster, is a bit optimistic I think.

You also mentioned that it took Labour 7 years to accomplish these things, in a nation with decidedly fewer veto points than the United States and with a much lower rate of religious adherence.

For those reasons, I'm not going to be overly hopeful for the first term.

It's in Obama's second term (and the judicial appointments it comes with) that I think the real meat and potatoes of LGBT rights lies.