Seriously, some people on this site have a bug up their ***.

[duelingdragons]

You can almost guarantee that if someone posts a topic, either the first or second response to that topic will be someone flaming the original poster for:

A) Not searching
B) Talking about something that has been discussed before/is popular
C) For asking what the responder deems to be a "stupid" question

It's pretty sad.

Why do people on forums (not only this one, but others as well), take time out of their day to flame/troll?

Does anyone else find this sad?

[dmr727]

Well, I don't think there's ever an excuse for being a jackass, but it *can* be annoying to see the same topic pop up again and again because people don't search before posting.

[Koodauw]

what else are the trolls supposed to do all day if they couldn't post here?

ps. do a search this has been brought up before ;)

[iParis]

This doesn't happen every time, but it does happen. I don't really mind, they're doing what they think is right.
Some people ignore it, and others don't.
Basically, not everyone here is the happiest person on Earth.
I know where you're coming from, this happens too me; along with everyone else. Just ignore it.

[duelingdragons]

Well, I don't think there's ever an excuse for being a jackass, but it *can* be annoying to see the same topic pop up again and again because people don't search before posting.

Oh, I definitely agree.

The specific example that caused me to create this topic was someone creating a topic earlier today, and someone IMMEDIATELY freaking out because the same topic was made 2 years ago...

Like... wow.

[Abstract]

Ahem. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=300519&highlight=search)

[iParis]

Oh, I definitely agree.

The specific example that caused me to create this topic was someone creating a topic earlier today, and someone IMMEDIATELY freaking out because the same topic was made 2 years ago...

Like... wow.

I hate when that happens. Especially if that topic hasn't been posted on in those two years. Watch, you go and post in that two year old thread then you get flamed for thread resurrection.

[Chundles]

You can almost guarantee that if someone posts a topic, either the first or second response to that topic will be someone flaming the original poster for:

A) Not searching
B) Talking about something that has been discussed before/is popular
C) For asking what the responder deems to be a "stupid" question

It's pretty sad.

Why do people on forums (not only this one, but others as well), take time out of their day to flame/troll?

Does anyone else find this sad?

Dude, do a search before you post. This topic has been done to death.

[angelwatt]

Well the forum guidelines cover your point A, but people tend to ignore the guidelines, which is disappointing.

I've certainly been known to tell people if a topic has been brought up before, partly because I hate writing the same answers every time, and there's no point reproducing an entire thread. If I have time though I try to find one of those other threads and link to it for them. Also, when you create a new thread there's a button to help determine if the topic has been brought up before, but I doubt many people make use of this helpful feature.

I don't see much flaming though, at least where I hang out here, but posters should really think before they post as well. Laziness is not an excuse.

[me_94501]

Well, I don't think there's ever an excuse for being a jackass, but it *can* be annoying to see the same topic pop up again and again because people don't search before posting.

True, but it's probably better to just report the duplicate thread.

[QCassidy352]

welcome to the internet.

[QuantumLo0p]

I hate when that happens. Especially if that topic hasn't been posted on in those two years. Watch, you go and post in that two year old thread then you get flamed for thread resurrection.

I love thread necromancy.
:)

[Mr. lax]

Why do people on forums (not only this one, but others as well), take time out of their day to flame/troll?

Internet cojones, i guarantee that most people on this thread would never do or say things like that to your face.

AND, its fun :)

[Peace]

[ best Andy Rooney voice ]

And what's the deal with discussions ? I mean somebody starts a topic then 4 pages later the discussion has turned to something completely different. I just don't get this interweb stuff.

[/ best Andy Rooney voice ]

[Redline13]

You can almost guarantee that if someone posts a topic, either the first or second response to that topic will be someone flaming the original poster for:

A) Not searching
B) Talking about something that has been discussed before/is popular
C) For asking what the responder deems to be a "stupid" question

It's pretty sad.

Why do people on forums (not only this one, but others as well), take time out of their day to flame/troll?

Does anyone else find this sad?

Hi. You must be new here. Welcome to the internet.

[GGJstudios]

I agree that some respond rudely to new posters, but most who recommend searching are only trying to help. Many who are new to the forums aren't aware that searching the forums can many times bring an answer to their question faster, since common subjects have been discussed at length and common questions have already been answered. Also, some may not be aware that using MRoogle (http://mroogle.edesignuk.com/) to search the forums will many times reveal answers that are missed by the standard MR search. The idea is to help posters find existing answers to their current questions, and also show them tools to find answers to future questions more effectively.

"Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime."

[IJ Reilly]

"Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats for a lifetime."

Or for as long as the fish hold out. ;)

The "rules" for posting new threads are pretty hard to miss, or misunderstand.

Funny thing is, I often take the trouble of searching myself and posting a list of links to other recent, identical discussions -- but more often than not, the repeat discussion thread goes right on as if nobody had even seen it. What's up with that?

[Dagless]

I always though it was an ultra PITA to see people shouting because you started a new topic about something that has been discussed before, but you'd also get shouted at for bumping old threads.

That's always confused me.

[jessica.]

I guess people do that for the very same reason you felt it necessary to create this thread.
I do encourage in my own little way for people to search but I don't believe I've done it without providing an answer or two.

[Sun Baked]

Typically around here.

1. It isn't a bug

2. Sometimes it isn't a donkey either.

3. You'll need a running start to have any chance of getting it to fit.

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=12420&stc=1

[IJ Reilly]

I always though it was an ultra PITA to see people shouting because you started a new topic about something that has been discussed before, but you'd also get shouted at for bumping old threads.

That's always confused me.

This post confuses me. Is pointing out recent threads where a subject has been discussed an example of "shouting," in your view? Also, I've never heard of anyone being "shouted at" for reviving an old thread. Granted there's no reason to be rude about it, but then there's more than one way to be rude. Shining on someone who is trying to be helpful is another way to be rude. That happens all the time, too.

[GGJstudios]

I always though it was an ultra PITA to see people shouting because you started a new topic about something that has been discussed before, but you'd also get shouted at for bumping old threads.
That's always confused me.

As for reviving old threads, if it's to contribute more information or ask another question that's directly related, I think that's preferable to starting a new one. However, many times people will start posting in an old thread, trying to answer the OP's question without realizing the thread has been dormant for 3 years and the OP is no longer on the forums. Pointing that out isn't being rude, it's just saying, "Hey, you DO realize the OP's no longer listening, right?"

As for searching before creating new threads, not only is it a forum rule, but it makes finding answers much easier. After all, if you're looking for an answer to a question, would you rather look in one thread on that topic, or have to search through dozens of duplicate threads on the same subject?

For example, it would make life easier, especially for "newbies", if there was a sticky thread entitled "Do I have a virus on my Mac?" that all related posts were automatically directed to. I realize that won't happen, but any step in that direction would help prevent two dozen "Mac virus" threads from popping up every day.

[Mr. Giver '94]

Ahem. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=300519&highlight=search)

You just got PWNED!!!!!! :D

It can be annoying though. However, you can usually tell when it's a newbie asking for help because they honestly have no idea and are new to MR as opposed to someone spamming up the forums.

PS I try to be helpful toward the former.

[kkat69]

Internet cojones, i guarantee that most people on this thread would never do or say things like that to your face.

HA wanna bet?

I'm the person that yells at old ladies to get out of my way. Ask my wife. I just don't give a shet. :eek:

[Queso]

Ahem. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=300519&highlight=search)
Damn you! I was going to do that joke :D

[Cudadown]

I've never understood this "Dude, try searching next time" craze. Seriously, why do I give a crap if they post something that was dicussed earlier. I'm not forced to read it OR even forced to reply to a repeat thread in a forum. And to be perfectly honest, I would rather have topics recycled then to read the interweb police notifications constantly. But like everything else, its a trend.

GET OFF MY LAWN!

[iParis]

I've never understood this "Dude, try searching next time" craze. Seriously, why do I give a crap if they post something that was dicussed earlier. I'm not forced to read it OR even forced to reply to a repeat thread in a forum. And to be perfectly honest, I would rather have topics recycled then to read the interweb police notifications constantly. But like everything else, its a trend.

GET OFF MY LAWN!

It's one thing if the thread is like two years old...
But we get pissed off when you post a thread on a topic where there are multiple threads on it within the past few weeks.
Reminds me of the massive threads on the "iPhone nano," glad those are mostly gone.

[IJ Reilly]

I've never understood this "Dude, try searching next time" craze. Seriously, why do I give a crap if they post something that was dicussed earlier. I'm not forced to read it OR even forced to reply to a repeat thread in a forum. And to be perfectly honest, I would rather have topics recycled then to read the interweb police notifications constantly. But like everything else, its a trend.

It's not a "trend" -- it's the rules of the forum. You be better off asking yourself why some people simply can't be bothered to follow them.

Also, 80% of statistics are made up on the spot. ;)

I think it's closer to 87%, with a standard deviation of 3%, seasonally adjusted.

[GGJstudios]

It's not a "trend" -- it's the rules of the forum. You be better off asking yourself why some people simply can't be bothered to follow them.
Amen! If someone doesn't like or won't play by the rules of this forum, they're always welcome to find a different forum. Don't let the door hit you on your butt on your way out!
I think it's closer to 87%, with a standard deviation of 3%, seasonally adjusted.
Which season is best? :D

[atszyman]

You can almost guarantee that if someone posts a topic, either the first or second response to that topic will be someone flaming the original poster for:

A) Not searching
B) Talking about something that has been discussed before/is popular
C) For asking what the responder deems to be a "stupid" question

It's pretty sad.

Why do people on forums (not only this one, but others as well), take time out of their day to flame/troll?

Does anyone else find this sad?

Go to the App Store forum (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=133) and see why it can become meddlesome. On the first page of threads alone I count 7 threads where the iMafia app is discussed, almost every thread being a code exchange. One is more than sufficient, the Console Games (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=102) Forum has managed to keep itself mostly to one code thread per game, it's not that hard.

[teflon]

To be honest, I hate people who don't search. Usually if I see the title is newbie I'll let it go and let them know there is a search function, but when I see Regular and up it just pisses me off. Undoubtedly they know there is a search function, they're just too damn lazy to use it. For example, a while back, I was browsing around MR one day, and saw a thread about a very repetitive topic. I answered it even though I know there was one around not too long ago. Next day I come, ANOTHER thread asking the exact same question came up. I'm like... alright, I'll just type in the same answer again. Next day, ANOTHER thread came up, about the exact same freaking thing! The other thread that I just answered to was even on the same page of that forum. If you don't want to search, can you not scroll either? I timed myself, and in less in 5 minutes, I found like 4 similar threads, all made in the last month. Hell, 2 was made in the same week! It will not take you more time to find those threads than making a new thread. And some say, what's wrong with repetitive thread? That's like saying what's wrong with spam and commercial advertising? You don't have to read let alone respond to it. It takes up space, and prevent people who actually need help from getting help. It's a waste of resources and plain annoying. Of course everyone have their grumpy days, but most people don't complain if you post a topic that was only discussed 2 years ago. However, that is not the case for the most part. Most of the complaining come out of threads that have been repeated multiple times in the same month, sometimes in the same week. They're completely pointless and a waste of space.

[millerj123]

To be honest, I hate people who don't search.
Almost amen to that. I don't hate them, I just find them to be tedious.

I found MacRumors because each time I ran into a problem setting up my computer this is usually where I found the answer.

Finally, I've seen very few cases where the responder actually flames the OP. Usually it's a simple reminder and link, which is helpful.

[jimmer-uk]

There are many people with a bug up their #@£% in all walks of life, I just think it so happens that alot of them come together on this forum :( This is a thread I found particularly offensive the other day....

Stern just talked about new iPhone....

Said it has the ability to be a full on gaming console. Said to release this summer. Oh well, I just bought a 3G. :mad:

Howard Stern?!
You really think he knows what the next iPhone is going to have?!

Just telling you what I heard. What are you hassling me for.

Because by the way you said it makes it sound like you believe him.

so it continued with a slew of people being a bit offensive towards the guy for nothing....

I do like coming here to read all things new and news on Apple developments but do find it testing at times

[iParis]

There are many people with a bug up their #@£% in all walks of life, I just think it so happens that alot of them come together on this forum :( This is a thread I found particularly offensive the other day....

Stern just talked about new iPhone....









so it continued with a slew of people being a bit offensive towards the guy for nothing....

I do like coming here to read all things new and news on Apple developments but do find it testing at times

Hahahaha! You think I was being a offensive?!
Even in the part you posted, I mentioned why I thought his post was ridiculous.
If I were him I would not have even believed Stern for even a second, but the way he worded it and made the sentence made me believe that he was dead serious and believe every word Stern said.

[jimmer-uk]

Hahahaha. Yes

The quotes I have taken are not in the right context without the rest of the thread but they were offensive in the context of it and incited others to wade in with helpless unneccesary comments. That is how the pattern goes round these parts, it only takes one guy to reply with a slightly off reply and everyone else comes in thinking it's open season.

More on topic, do mods exist in these forums?!

[iParis]

Hahahaha. Yes

The quotes I have taken are not in the right context without the rest of the thread but they were offensive in the context of it and incited others to wade in with helpless unneccesary comments. That is how the pattern goes round these parts, it only takes one guy to reply with a slightly off reply and everyone else comes in thinking it's open season.

Sorry, but even if I didn't post in that thread he would still have gotten flamed.

More on topic, do mods exist in these forums?!

Several mods exist actually.
http://guides.macrumors.com/Help:MacRumors_FAQ#Who_are_the_MacRumors_Staff.3F

[IJ Reilly]

More on topic, do mods exist in these forums?!

Yes, but generally you need to report problem posts to get action on them. This works most of the time, assuming you are complaining about an actual violation of the forum rules.

[mkrishnan]

More on topic, do mods exist in these forums?!

At present, all the moderators serve all forums on MacRumors. The best way to contact us is always to use the report post button http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/buttons/report.gif, which is located underneath the username/avatar on every post on MacRumors. The benefit of using this approach is that it instantly puts out an alert that is visible to all moderators and administrators.

There is only so much we can do in terms of encouraging people to be pleasant. On the balance side, doing things like searching before you post, using informative thread titles, taking the time to write in a comprehensible fashion, and trying not to actively push other people's buttons do really also make MacRumors Forums a better place, and so we very much appreciate all of these things from everyone. ;)

[Apple Ink]

Mods exist and imo there are one of the best 'assortment' of Mods in this forum!
They all are pretty cool and wont bump in unless its serious or you want them too.....

But I do believe that some of us sometimes forget that Mods too are humans like us!

[DiamondMac]

Some people deserve the "search" comment as they ask questions answered 1000000 times.