Aluminum Display Leak?

[MacRumors]

Appleinsider references (http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=392) a forum post claiming that one reader may have seen "advanced product shot of a new Apple display during a routine Apple presentation".

Appleinsider includes an artist rendition of the purported display.

[wordmunger]

If this is it, it's disappointing. It's clearly not adjustable, which is the only major drawback of the current displays.

[JohnnyTwoToes]

If this is it, it's disappointing. It's clearly not adjustable, which is the only major drawback of the current displays.


Keep in mind it's just a rendition of it. It's not even teh actual one...if it's even close. We still really have no idea what they'll look like, or how they'll work. I'll work on my rendition of the new apple displays...mwahahaha.

[andyduncan]

If this is it, it's disappointing. It's clearly not adjustable, which is the only major drawback of the current displays.

Pin-striped plastics are SO ten minutes ago.

Actually, with all the stories about how easy the aluminum PBs are to dent, maybe you could "adjust" these with a mallet.

[Photorun]

Don't worry, by the time Apple comes out with new displays the machines will look entirely different again, I project 2006.

[SFNE Freak]

If an artist's rendition include Photoshopping the legs and texture of a Power Mac G5 and pasting in a screenshot of a 23" Cinema Display then yep...that's an artist's rendition.

[andyduncan]

If an artist's rendition include Photoshopping the legs and texture of a Power Mac G5 and pasting in a screenshot of a 23" Cinema Display then yep...that's an artist's rendition.
Well, it was that or use a campbell's soup can...

[chazmox]

Someone posted this concept for a monitor to SpyMac about 6-8 months ago. And I don't mean like this concept - I mean this EXACT concept. It was criticized there for lack of adjustability.

Even though this is suposed to be an artist rendition - the source of that rendition makes the whole rumor suspect...

Of course any rumor that says that Apple will at some time release AL displays is, in my opinion, pretty safe...

[bennetsaysargh]

i see a flat square base acting like the dome on G4 iMacs and an arm to move it. i think that's adjustable enough for me.

[the_mole1314]

To me, the lowered iPod price rumor is more interesting than this supposed new screen. I hope for new ones, but I doubt it.

[nagromme]

Everyone thinks that was a lowered iPod price rumor. It was not.

It was a lowered iPod PROFIT MARGIN rumor--that the Mini and HP iPod give Apple lower profits, but that Apple accepts that for the sake of sales.

And in fact, that's more than rumor, Apple said exactly that in the financial call :)

That means the Mini's HDs cost more than iPod HDs, and that HP gets a cut of their players. It does NOT mean cheaper iPods for the consumer--in fact, it means Apple has less margin (on some products) with which to work.

[Wonder Boy]

i've seen that concept before. they have to be somwhat adjustable otherwise thats just poor design sense.

[johnnyjibbs]

Looks alright to me. Of course, it could look nothing like that but I'm 100% sure that the next displays will be alluminium. They'd go very nicely with my PowerBook. Now, if I only I could come up with the dosh...

[wdlove]

That is awesone looking, that look great together. Just enhances my desire for a G5 and Cinema Display.

[Dont Hurt Me]

come on folks when you start getting bigger and bigger whats the point of adjustability? heck you can see the darn thing anywhere in the room. Apple is moving all of its displays larger so there isnt no reason for adjustment.

[dho]

Do you see what thread you just posted in?

Everyone thinks that was a lowered iPod price rumor. It was not.

It was a lowered iPod PROFIT MARGIN rumor--that the Mini and HP iPod give Apple lower profits, but that Apple accepts that for the sake of sales.

And in fact, that's more than rumor, Apple said exactly that in the financial call :)

That means the Mini's HDs cost more than iPod HDs, and that HP gets a cut of their players. It does NOT mean cheaper iPods for the consumer--in fact, it means Apple has less margin (on some products) with which to work.

Its ok, we all do it at least once :)

[bennetsaysargh]

come on folks when you start getting bigger and bigger whats the point of adjustability? heck you can see the darn thing anywhere in the room. Apple is moving all of its displays larger so there isnt no reason for adjustment.

yes, but not everyone will have the money for a gigantic display. 17 inch display is a nice size. why not make it adjustable? they even have a 20 inch display that's adjustable.

[question fear]

I read the title and pictured aluminum leaking out of a display!!!!!!
:D

[bennetsaysargh]

I read the title and pictured aluminum leaking out of a display!!!!!!
:D
it could also be somthing leaking from the aluminum displays :eek: ;)

[JamesDPS]

I read the title and pictured aluminum leaking out of a display!!!!!!
:D

heh - that's good! :D anyways so what are people's predictions regarding the "next" look (after aluminum)? While other 'puter manufacturers didn't all go pinstripes (yet), they will obviously copy the entire aluminum look, so Apple will come up with something new to keep ahead of the game (eventually). someone mentioned the aluminum dents easily, so the disply could be adjusted with a hammer --- perhaps hammered steel will be the next "look"? or maybe everything will be transparent to a degree...? any thoughts from forward-thinking designers out there?

[Grimace]

I've been putting off buying a large TV for some time now - what sorts of options might we see on a 30" Display?? VGA, DVI, S-Video, Composite input, Component input?

[johnnyjibbs]

I've been putting off buying a large TV for some time now - what sorts of options might we see on a 30" Display?? VGA, DVI, S-Video, Composite input, Component input?
Knowing Apple, just ADC (i.e one cable that provides USB, DVI and power in one).

[bennetsaysargh]

if apple were to make a 30 inch display, i think it would have more than ADC. it might have some standard non computer connections god willing.

[junior]

Everyone thinks that was a lowered iPod price rumor. It was not.

It was a lowered iPod PROFIT MARGIN rumor--that the Mini and HP iPod give Apple lower profits, but that Apple accepts that for the sake of sales.

And in fact, that's more than rumor, Apple said exactly that in the financial call :)

That means the Mini's HDs cost more than iPod HDs, and that HP gets a cut of their players. It does NOT mean cheaper iPods for the consumer--in fact, it means Apple has less margin (on some products) with which to work.

Actually, though the article talks about lower profit margins, it also says this:

The iPod mini--which has much lower margins due to its component costs--may not be as directly effected by the HP deal, but is expected to see a price reduction later this year.

:rolleyes:

[chazmox]

heh - that's good! :D anyways so what are people's predictions regarding the "next" look (after aluminum)? While other 'puter manufacturers didn't all go pinstripes (yet), they will obviously copy the entire aluminum look, so Apple will come up with something new to keep ahead of the game (eventually). someone mentioned the aluminum dents easily, so the disply could be adjusted with a hammer --- perhaps hammered steel will be the next "look"? or maybe everything will be transparent to a degree...? any thoughts from forward-thinking designers out there?

I hear beige plastic is next!

[dudewheresmymac]

I hear beige plastic is next!


god no... i hate beige plastic

[macnews]

This would be nice. Not so much for adjustability for me. I have 2 23" at work and they don't need much adjusting. I just really have to wonder if this will be true. How long has this "rendition" been around anyway?

[form]

It bears a slight resemblance to the last 3d model I did, in the front - the feet I made didn't come out, however, before they bent backwards, and they were wider than the one that image shows.

[DrGruv1]

then you could turn it around and use it as a tv... (if your desk faces into a room)

higher contrast 600:1
brighter..
bigger

and cheaper?

-mike

[AngryLawnGnome]

That rocks so hard.

[mrdeep]

I don't care if the "updated" displays are exactly the same, I just want them to be cheaper, and come out before may so I can still use my edu discount.

... you know you're a mac addict when you consider going to graduate school so you can still get an edu discount ...

[Borg3of5]

Even in the interior design world, articles/items that match are very passé. The ever-growing trend in the fashion world, and the design world is to have a juxtaposition of different items. Leading designers for example will have a shirt with horizontal stripes, and a tie with dots; this was taboo a couple of years ago, but look at programs such as "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy," AND pay attention to what they have to say.

Matching is boring. Different is interesting.

[andyduncan]

heh - that's good! :D anyways so what are people's predictions regarding the "next" look (after aluminum)?

I'm still betting that aluminum was just a stopgap until fabrication techniques for amorphous metals become more feasible. The most famous of which being Liquidmetal (http://www.liquidmetal.com), although other companies have been developing them as well.

With 1 micron precision directly out of the mold, you'd think that might help with quality control. :-)

[cr2sh]

In the original powermac g5 release video there were a few scenes where the plastic 23" looked like an aluminum display might look.. I had to watch the video a few times. This "artist's rendition" looks like those scenes.. I'm sure this guy saw the same thing I did, and thought the same thing I did...

If Apple release's something that looks like that, I'll probably be buying a Sony. :(

As for the "adjustability" debate... I've said it a hundered times, the current design sucks. I want to be able to sit with my 17" powerbook in front of me, with the 30" on the desk shelf above and behind it.. I CANNOT use the current design to do this. In my mind its one of the poorest designed lcds on the market.

[performand]

heh - that's good! :D anyways so what are people's predictions regarding the "next" look (after aluminum)? While other 'puter manufacturers didn't all go pinstripes (yet), they will obviously copy the entire aluminum look, so Apple will come up with something new to keep ahead of the game (eventually). someone mentioned the aluminum dents easily, so the disply could be adjusted with a hammer --- perhaps hammered steel will be the next "look"? or maybe everything will be transparent to a degree...? any thoughts from forward-thinking designers out there?

Wood?

Back to the roots ...

[wordmunger]

This would be nice. Not so much for adjustability for me. I have 2 23" at work and they don't need much adjusting. I just really have to wonder if this will be true. How long has this "rendition" been around anyway?
Maybe for the 23-inchers, but what about the 17- and 20-inchers? Have you seen the 20-inch iMac? The screen adjustability is awesome. And like another poster said, a 23-incher (and the rumored 30-incher) would be something a lot of people might want to use as a TV. You might want to keep it in one position for working, then redirect it so you can watch from your couch.

[Zappa]

I read the title and pictured aluminum leaking out of a display!!!!!!
:D Same here. Knowing that its LCDs (liquid crystal displays), it seemed plausible too .... :p

[jrv3034]

heh - that's good! :D anyways so what are people's predictions regarding the "next" look (after aluminum)? While other 'puter manufacturers didn't all go pinstripes (yet), they will obviously copy the entire aluminum look, so Apple will come up with something new to keep ahead of the game (eventually). someone mentioned the aluminum dents easily, so the disply could be adjusted with a hammer --- perhaps hammered steel will be the next "look"? or maybe everything will be transparent to a degree...? any thoughts from forward-thinking designers out there?

My bet is on colored aluminum, like the iPod mini. The consumer line will have cool colors, and the pro line will be the current silver, or maybe a darker aluminum. Who knows. I think Apple will be dropping the white plastic of the iPod, iMac, iBook soon.

[jsw]

I'm still betting that aluminum was just a stopgap until fabrication techniques for amorphous metals become more feasible. The most famous of which being Liquidmetal (http://www.liquidmetal.com), although other companies have been developing them as well.

With 1 micron precision directly out of the mold, you'd think that might help with quality control. :-)

Except that amorphous metals are so much more expensive than...no, wait, we're talking Apple here. They'll actually use the not-the-cheapest materials. I figure that you might have been joking, but this would be an excellent idea - and I'd not have to worry about the casing being scratched by virtually anything that touched it, as is the case (no pun intended) with my current G5.

I would hope, though, that they can find something lighter than aluminum, or else stop saying the case is aluminum when it must really be aluminum-coated cast iron ;) (have you picked up a G5 lately?).

[jsw]

heh - that's good! :D anyways so what are people's predictions regarding the "next" look (after aluminum)? While other 'puter manufacturers didn't all go pinstripes (yet), they will obviously copy the entire aluminum look, so Apple will come up with something new to keep ahead of the game (eventually). someone mentioned the aluminum dents easily, so the disply could be adjusted with a hammer --- perhaps hammered steel will be the next "look"? or maybe everything will be transparent to a degree...? any thoughts from forward-thinking designers out there?

Slide-in panels (like on high-end appliances like dishwashers) - lets you pick the look you want (blue plastic, wood, steel, leather). Also lets you change it to match your decor or mood. Hmmm. Mood... mood plastic? "Hey, your Mac looks happy!" "No, the fan is just on the fritz. It's overheating."

[Grimace]

As far as pricing is concerned, I hope Apple does reduce the cost for the lower models - even the 23". But to be honest, the 23" is priced better than most similar sized models out there. A 30" inch.....would that go for $2499 or $2999??

[PtMD]

As far as pricing is concerned, I hope Apple does reduce the cost for the lower models - even the 23". But to be honest, the 23" is priced better than most similar sized models out there. A 30" inch.....would that go for $2499 or $2999??

HP just release a business class 23" monitor (the L2335) based on the next generation LCD panel thats in the current Apple 23" display. It has component and s-vid inputs along with the standard vga and dvi. Its silverish in color but I believe its still a plastic bezel. :( The market price point appears to be moving down for this class as the HP monitor was intoduced at $1699 US. I can only hope Apple is going to match or come close to matching the price/features in their next release.

pic: http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/monitors/performance/images/l2335.jpg

Puff (the Magic) Daddy

[Doraemon]

Wood?

Back to the roots ...

A swedish company produces PCs with cases from wood. They're showing them at this year's CeBit (which starts this week, I think).

Personally, I don't like it.

[appleface]

how about a pb dock built into the next display. i'm waiting for a pb dock that is similar to the ipod dock. think about how great it would be. you come home, dock your pb; and the cinema display comes to life. your wireless keyboard and mouse replace the laptop controls. you're on your way. maybe the pb even syncs to a back up harddrive. good idea? i vote "yes."

[Josh]

The only reason Apple's products are so expensive because they know you people will buy them.

They know their stuff is more expensive than their competitors, but they also know that mac users, for whatever reason, dont care and will buy it anyway.

If there is a product, works great, looks sweet, fully customizeable and is cheap, PC users (aka the majority of consumers) will buy it.

If the same product was 3x more expensive, only it had a cute little Apple on it, Apple users would buy it over the other one...

I truly don't get it...Apple has great products, don't get me wrong - but they take advantage of their consumers at a ridiculously high amount.

I will never understand why you mac users will buy anything apple sells, regardless if its price is way above its quality...

If people simply refused to buy apple products and buy the competition, Apple would quickly realize that the only way they have a chance is if they price their items similarly.

Face it - Apple computers are great, but they are not so much greater than the comptetition that they need to be 3 times more expensive - now you can try to justify their price all you want, but its still not going to change a thing.

Apple sells at a high price simply because they can. Mac users will buy Apple stuff at any cost, so any hopes for reasonable prices from Apple to EVER happen can just be tossed out the window.

(not flaming anyone - I like Apple stuff - but you cannot deny that their prices are ridiculous)

[NeoMayhem]

Does anybody have that wallpaper that is used in the rendering of the display? It looks sweet.

The only reason Apple's products are so expensive because they know you people will buy them.

They know their stuff is more expensive than their competitors, but they also know that mac users, for whatever reason, dont care and will buy it anyway.

If there is a product, works great, looks sweet, fully customizeable and is cheap, PC users (aka the majority of consumers) will buy it.

If the same product was 3x more expensive, only it had a cute little Apple on it, Apple users would buy it over the other one...

I truly don't get it...Apple has great products, don't get me wrong - but they take advantage of their consumers at a ridiculously high amount.

I will never understand why you mac users will buy anything apple sells, regardless if its price is way above its quality...

If people simply refused to buy apple products and buy the competition, Apple would quickly realize that the only way they have a chance is if they price their items similarly.

Face it - Apple computers are great, but they are not so much greater than the comptetition that they need to be 3 times more expensive - now you can try to justify their price all you want, but its still not going to change a thing.

Apple sells at a high price simply because they can. Mac users will buy Apple stuff at any cost, so any hopes for reasonable prices from Apple to EVER happen can just be tossed out the window.

(not flaming anyone - I like Apple stuff - but you cannot deny that their prices are ridiculous)

You really think there stuff is that expensive? Most of their products are relatively cheap for the amazing technology you are getting.

Some things, like the cinema displays are expensive, but thats what that stuff costs. There are not any better displays that are cheaper.

And I really get angry when people say the iPod is overpriced, because the only player that is better costs more...

Sure, some things are expensive, but they are usually well worth it.

Do you want to live in a methlab because you can get it cheaper then a nice house in a nice neighborhood? Both provide you with shelter, one is just better (Think Apple).

[wrldwzrd89]

Why are the bezels on Apple's monitors 1 inch wide? I would much rather have a monitor with a 0.5 inch bezel. I've never used multiple monitors before, but I still think the bezel looks a little odd being as big as it is. I'm not a PowerMac user (I expect to become one in 2007), so I don't need one of those Apple displays right now. I will get a display with the PowerMac I get in 2007 - I hope Apple's displays are updated at least one more time before then (not including this rumored update).

[DJMad]

I have a meeting at apple next week, I will keep my eyes open and post if I see anything. I hope that the new display is adjustable to some extent but the viewable angle of the current displays is awesome so we will see.

[carbonmotion]

smells like bs to be... not to mention badly blotched photoshop job. here is a better artist rendition http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~jzhuang/Files/16884display_g5.jpg ...in my humble opinion... Anyways, i think both are fakes. I mean, did anyone come close to guessing what the G5 will look like ? i haven't seen any made before the g5 was announced or seen.

[mrsebastian]

smells like bs to be... not to mention badly blotched photoshop job. here is a better artist rendition http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~jzhuang/Files/16884display_g5.jpg ...in my humble opinion... Anyways, i think both are fakes. I mean, did anyone come close to guessing what the G5 will look like ? i haven't seen any made before the g5 was announced or seen.

that is certainly a fake! look at the feet and how they go off at odd angles and they're not even close to being the same size. that said, i really am hoping for revised displays with revised g5s soon.

[wdlove]

smells like bs to be... not to mention badly blotched photoshop job. here is a better artist rendition http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~jzhuang/Files/16884display_g5.jpg ...in my humble opinion... Anyways, i think both are fakes. I mean, did anyone come close to guessing what the G5 will look like ? i haven't seen any made before the g5 was announced or seen.

I'm still hoping for the brushed metal look of the Cinema Display. Jonathan Ives will just improve on the idea.

[Renko31]

I have to disagree with you Josh.

When I bought my 12" PB with superdrive, a similar spec Sony VAIO (with only a combi drive) was 400GBP more.

Also, Mac users are willing to pay for a better user experience. When I go to work and turn on my PC, there is always that niggle at the back of my mind wondering what will go wrong today. I never have that when I turn on my Mac (famous last words!).

There are differences between Macs and PCs, and Mac users are willing to pay for them. If we didn't, Macs would simply cease to exist.


The only reason Apple's products are so expensive because they know you people will buy them.

They know their stuff is more expensive than their competitors, but they also know that mac users, for whatever reason, dont care and will buy it anyway.

If there is a product, works great, looks sweet, fully customizeable and is cheap, PC users (aka the majority of consumers) will buy it.

If the same product was 3x more expensive, only it had a cute little Apple on it, Apple users would buy it over the other one...

I truly don't get it...Apple has great products, don't get me wrong - but they take advantage of their consumers at a ridiculously high amount.

I will never understand why you mac users will buy anything apple sells, regardless if its price is way above its quality...

If people simply refused to buy apple products and buy the competition, Apple would quickly realize that the only way they have a chance is if they price their items similarly.

Face it - Apple computers are great, but they are not so much greater than the comptetition that they need to be 3 times more expensive - now you can try to justify their price all you want, but its still not going to change a thing.

Apple sells at a high price simply because they can. Mac users will buy Apple stuff at any cost, so any hopes for reasonable prices from Apple to EVER happen can just be tossed out the window.

(not flaming anyone - I like Apple stuff - but you cannot deny that their prices are ridiculous)

[jsw]

smells like bs to be... not to mention badly blotched photoshop job. here is a better artist rendition http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~jzhuang/Files/16884display_g5.jpg ...in my humble opinion... Anyways, i think both are fakes. I mean, did anyone come close to guessing what the G5 will look like ? i haven't seen any made before the g5 was announced or seen.

You guys have it all wrong! The new G5's have the display built into the side of the case. The display in the picture is just a view of the other (removable) side of the G5. I'm not sure why they cropped the handles at the top, though. Must've been operator error.

Either that, or... maybe the new displays replace the removable side panel on the G5! Finally, a use for all that empty space inside the case! Of course, now the darn things will weigh 65 pounds....

;)

[s10]

plastic coated with Oleds, starting with the next iPod

[Les Kern]

If this is it, it's disappointing. It's clearly not adjustable, which is the only major drawback of the current displays.

It could still have the leg in the back to adjust, and actually, I like it. Okay, I'm a brushed-metal kind of guy. But, alas, it's a hoax. Much like my adolescent, time-wasting photoshop efforts concerning the 23", 64" and iJ-Tron Powerbooks.
SEEN HERE (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=64268)

[hiptobesquare]

does anyone have any word on whether it will work with older macs?

I have a cube with a GeForce 2MX upgrade (better than the ATI it had originally, at least) and would love to get a sleeker monitor that would look better with it. Either that, or buy a current 20" cheap, when everyone else scrambles for the new ones.

adjustability (and standard VESA mount) would be almost a necessity, (some would buy it anyway) and an input for an HDTV tuner would be awesome.

Someone should come up with that. A stand-alone adapter HDTV tuner box that has a remote control, OSD, and has an ADC plug on it, and outputs (optical, or wire) to a home theater receiver, and right there you have an Apple LCD HDTV. (with a DVI, it could use any LCD monitor)
That would be awesome with a 23" HD monitor, or the proposed 30" lcd.
Maybe someone already has done this, or maybe I should get the patent. The other LCD TVs on the market seem overpriced and small. Definitely not as stylish, either.

[Mac2004]

I'm going to be getting a new Power Mac G5 when they come out later this month. However, where is the best place to buy one? The Apple Store (have to pay sales tax), Mac Connection (no sales tax), Mac Mall (no sales tax), Apple.com (sales tax), or Comp USA (sales tax)??

I figure I can just save 3-$400 on just sales tax after I get my new G5 and Apple Cinema monitor if I go through a catalog. Are there any pros or cons. I really would like to support the local Apple store. Any thoughts? Which online catalog has the best reputation?

[andyduncan]

Except that amorphous metals are so much more expensive than...no, wait, we're talking Apple here. They'll actually use the not-the-cheapest materials. I figure that you might have been joking, but this would be an excellent idea -

I wasn't joking actually. The metals themselves are more expensive, yes. Especially since AFAIK Liquidmetal is the only company selling them right now (I'm likely wrong about this by now). The idea was that they would be cost-effective because the fabrication techniques were potentially ultra-simple, similar to making things out of plastics. This hasn't happened yet, which is why I mentioned the fab issue in my post. Oh well.

[sonyrules]

Pin-striped plastics are SO ten minutes ago.

Actually, with all the stories about how easy the aluminum PBs are to dent, maybe you could "adjust" these with a mallet.

then they would break to easy, DUCT TAPE is the answer!!!

[mike412]

Why everytime someone shows a picture of the "next Apple display" it always looks the same. I could probably find a million pictures from 6 months ago that look that look just like this one. I personally think that this is not the next apple display. As in the original iMac as well as the new iMac, we had no idea what they would be like and were all shocked when they came out. Expect to see the same for the next display by Apple.

[jimsowden]

Maybe for the 23-inchers, but what about the 17- and 20-inchers? Have you seen the 20-inch iMac? The screen adjustability is awesome. And like another poster said, a 23-incher (and the rumored 30-incher) would be something a lot of people might want to use as a TV. You might want to keep it in one position for working, then redirect it so you can watch from your couch.
A note on the aspect ratio. Standard HDTV is 16:9, as we all know. Current apple displays are something on the order of 12:7, or something like that. Therefore, the picture would either not be full, or cut off.

[Fiveos22]

Wow, that is the most unimaginative photoshop I have ever seen. Artist: "Hmm, I'll take the G5 ad, cut a cinema display picture out and slap the two on top of on another. Hey maybe if I post it somewhere under an anonymous name and with a cryptic description people will believe me."

I suppose there are dreamers out there, but I hope there are better, more imaginative dreamers employed at Apple.

[MacFan25]

I think that the display in the picture looks very nice, and compliments the G5 very nicely. I just hope it would be easily adjustable, etc. Will be interesting to see if this is a fake picture or not.

[form]

I made a bet that new monitors and power mac updates would be simultaneous; looks like I might win. Too bad it isn't going to be enough to get me a new power mac..

[Fiveos22]

I think that the display in the picture looks very nice, and compliments the G5 very nicely. I just hope it would be easily adjustable, etc. Will be interesting to see if this is a fake picture or not.

Look closely at the picture, the artist didn't even take the time to make sure that the aluminum immediately surrounding the display was the same as the supports. Looks like a color dropper job.

[blogo]

A note on the aspect ratio. Standard HDTV is 16:9, as we all know. Current apple displays are something on the order of 12:7, or something like that. Therefore, the picture would either not be full, or cut off.

16:10

[windowsblowsass]

then they would break to easy, DUCT TAPE is the answer!!!
yes a computer made entirely out of duct tape pure genious it could be water cooled to b/c u wouldnt have to worry about leaks b/c the pipes would already be covered with duct tape to keep with the style!
and the case is easily change able / repairable want a knew look just run down to the hardware store! or it could be cardboard like the one yoshi made on TSS :D

[windowsblowsass]

I think that the display in the picture looks very nice, and compliments the G5 very nicely. I just hope it would be easily adjustable, etc. Will be interesting to see if this is a fake picture or not.
it is fake admittabley so its not even claimed to be a photo leakd its an ARTISTS RENDITION AKA somebody made it up :)

[lazyrighteye]

I was in the Cherry Creek Apple Store (Denver, CO) over the weekend (as well as the Aspen Grove Apple Store), and in both locations noticed they redesigned the back wall of the Genius Bar.
Gone now, are the images of genius' past - replaced with two, 30" ultra crisp widescreen displays. These displays were running canned "OS X Tips" information. Lots of text, and standard blue OS X desktop look. The text and graphics flying around on the display were incredibly sharp and crisp... making me wonder if the rumored 30" Cinema Display may have some meat to it. Maybe Apple were putting them in all Genius Bars...

Far fetched, perhaps. Wondered if anyone else had noticed and thought the same thing.

Cursed rumor sites. ;)

[djbahdow01]

I was in the Cherry Creek Apple Store (Denver, CO) over the weekend (as well as the Aspen Grove Apple Store), and in both locations noticed they redesigned the back wall of the Genius Bar.
Gone now, are the images of genius' past - replaced with two, 30" ultra crisp widescreen displays. These displays were running canned "OS X Tips" information. Lots of text, and standard blue OS X desktop look. The text and graphics flying around on the display were incredibly sharp and crisp... making me wonder if the rumored 30" Cinema Display may have some meat to it. Maybe Apple were putting them in all Genius Bars...

Far fetched, perhaps. Wondered if anyone else had noticed and thought the same thing.

Cursed rumor sites. ;)

Nah those aren't the fabled 30" moniters, those were said in a news article not to long ago that apple was changing the genius bar and putting in 2 30" moniters with slideshows and what not if i recall correctly. Just apple spending more money in store preperation and looks than them spending on production of new machines that we desperately need.

[bennetsaysargh]

i just saw the new genious bar displays in person for the 1st time the other night, and wow are they amazing! they're gigantic!
i'd love to have one of them. so who has the key to the apple store?
we strike at dawn.


:p

[jsw]

Just apple spending more money in store preperation and looks than them spending on production of new machines that we desperately need.

Come on, man, you're just bitching now. You and I both know that Apple's store improvements have zero impact on the time it takes them to produce new hardware. It's not like there's one guy who can either install displays or work out the thermal issues on G5 laptops....

On the other hand, it's perfectly legitimate to bitch about the delays. Just don't blame the pretty monitors!

:)

[wdlove]

I'm going to be getting a new Power Mac G5 when they come out later this month. However, where is the best place to buy one? The Apple Store (have to pay sales tax), Mac Connection (no sales tax), Mac Mall (no sales tax), Apple.com (sales tax), or Comp USA (sales tax)??

I figure I can just save 3-$400 on just sales tax after I get my new G5 and Apple Cinema monitor if I go through a catalog. Are there any pros or cons. I really would like to support the local Apple store. Any thoughts? Which online catalog has the best reputation?

I have dealt with Mac Connection the most. If I purchase from them I have to pay Massachusetts sales tax though. If you have an Apple Store or a good retailer nearby you can still go in to get some personal one on one assistance. A feature that is very valuable to me. I have a good relationship with the staff at my local store, they recognize me as a frequent visitor. Mac Connection does have free online tech support for lifetime. They usually have deals on monitors, memory, printers, & software.

[djbahdow01]

Come on, man, you're just bitching now. You and I both know that Apple's store improvements have zero impact on the time it takes them to produce new hardware. It's not like there's one guy who can either install displays or work out the thermal issues on G5 laptops....

On the other hand, it's perfectly legitimate to bitch about the delays. Just don't blame the pretty monitors!

:)
Yeah your right, i just needed to bitch about things. I have had a really tough week with school and what not and i guess this was the only place i wouldn't get into any academic problems for bitching. Just been really stressed out lately and the wait for the computer isn't helping.

[jsw]

Yeah your right, i just needed to bitch about things. I have had a really tough week with school and what not and i guess this was the only place i wouldn't get into any academic problems for bitching. Just been really stressed out lately and the wait for the computer isn't helping.

No problem. I wasn't actually upset, of course! I hope that Apple makes us all happy soon. My guess is supplier problems. I don't think they're intentionally waiting this long for upgrades.

[djbahdow01]

No problem. I wasn't actually upset, of course! I hope that Apple makes us all happy soon. My guess is supplier problems. I don't think they're intentionally waiting this long for upgrades.

I too believe its supplier problems, and i don't think its IBM's fault either, could be new screens or Superdrives, or even the ATI new video cards. What the hold up is no one knows. All i know is that ive got a jones for a PM and everyone around here at school is wondeing when i am getting it as well as i have been talking about it for the last few months. All i know is that once i get the new rev PM i will be a happy camper and will not need a new desktop for a little while. Although i will be looking for a new Powerbook next summer before my educational discount is over.

[potterfast]

http://www.apple.com/motion/

Can anyone identify the display in the little G5 picture in the center of the screen?

[wdlove]

http://www.apple.com/motion/

Can anyone identify the display in the little G5 picture in the center of the screen?

That is a picture that I've seen several times before. It is of the current model display. Because of the angle it's confusing, sorry.

[vixapphire]

not sure what this means, but i was in fry's burbank this weekend and noticed that they'd cleared out all of the old apple monitors except for a couple of ancient 15" lcd's that the store probably owns, and had on display the powerbooks, ibooks, imac, and a couple of g5's being run thru the 15" and that new gigantic 30" samsung. noticed as well that there were no boxes of product in stock re. "current"/old-style plastique monitors. draw your own conclusions.

of the samsung garganticon, i'd be really hyped about it if it weren't for the fact that maximum vertical resolution is 768. are they kidding? you'll pay less for a 32" plasma television with a computer video input and get higher resolution (i checked; it's true)! if that's the best anyone can do with a large-format lcd computer monitor, i'll take a 22" or 23" apple lcd on the second hand market any day of the week, thanks. please - what moron's out there spending $4k on that samsung monitor?

[FrancisSawyer]

Why waste your time? You're contributing to a rather poor image of Mac adherents.

Why not spend the time writing to Apple and encouraging them to fix outstanding problems?

[barnett25]

My bet is on colored aluminum, like the iPod mini. The consumer line will have cool colors, and the pro line will be the current silver, or maybe a darker aluminum. Who knows. I think Apple will be dropping the white plastic of the iPod, iMac, iBook soon.

I've read rumors that the G5 PowerBook will be made of carbon fiber. I think that would look pretty cool for the pro line. I'd love to see an 'artist's rendition' of that.

[denm316]

http://www.apple.com/motion/

Can anyone identify the display in the little G5 picture in the center of the screen?

Same old normal display...sorry

[virividox]

if apple released a gold or green aluminum screen i think i will personally go to j ives and shoot him.

i think they will phase out the burshed metal within a few years time, but i dont think it will hapenn within the next year

[wdlove]

if apple released a gold or green aluminum screen i think i will personally go to j ives and shoot him.

i think they will phase out the burshed metal within a few years time, but i dont think it will hapenn within the next year

Please no green! Gold is very valuable, it would give it a very rich look.

If Apple phases out the brushed metal in a few years, what do you think will follow?

[aswitcher]

Do you think the new iMacs are also getting the new screens (17 and 20...23??) and thats one reason they are being held off?

[homerjward]

i think if they make a 30" display they should make it dvi compatible w/ a power cord port dealie so pc people would use it cause any huge other display is very low res and that would open up a new market for apple. the only exception i know of for that is the 9megapixel ibm display which is 8 grand, only works w/ ibm comps and requires a nvidia quadro (1500 dollars for a damn graphics card!) if it's colored aluminum i'd buy a pink one and dont call me gay. pink is just undeniably cool. if i only had a mac...

[PowerMacMan]

Why would you want color... I would want it to match my (future rev B) G5... AND BE SILVER... Unless... Colored G5's :eek: ;)

[johnnowak]

Carbon fiber would kick ass for a laptop. Strong, light, black.... and feels awesome.

Just imagine walking into xxx with a carbon fiber laptop.

Imagine the girls.... mmm.

[Demon]

still waiting for the next display...
hurry it up apple! my 12 inch powerbooks is killing my eyes!

[grneyedjay]

Instead of Aluminum casing, my dream would be a re-issue of the G5 with lacquered wood paneling with black trim. I could even stand for the tower to be a little larger than the current G5. And please don't them allow for more than one optical drive. Lord knows that we don't need that option again! And it's not like we'll ever use zip drives again either, so I think we're safe.

And for the display, a matching woodtone would be nice for its casing, but I don't think my desk will hold anything larger than a 34" Display (I hope they don't go CinemaScope on us!), so that will be a factor as well. I love ADC, too. The more proprietary technology, the better!

Oh, wait! Granite would also be a great material. It's as expensive as amorphous metals, but probably a thousand times stronger! And it's not like it would be for the laptops, so who cares if it's heavier! Besides, gold says 'needy for attention' like nothing else!

Leaking aluminum doesn't seem safe for the environment..

[Sweetfeld28]

Pin-striped plastics are SO ten minutes ago.

Actually, with all the stories about how easy the aluminum PBs are to dent, maybe you could "adjust" these with a mallet.

Personally, i like the pin stripes, but i do also really like that one in the picture above. Also, i don't think that many people plan on inteninally denting, or droping their $700-1000 investment.

[Sweetfeld28]

Do you think the new iMacs are also getting the new screens (17 and 20...23??) and thats one reason they are being held off?

I'm not sure those iMacs necks would be able to support the weight of a 23 Cinema Display, do you?

[voicegy]

Just posted on May 27th, 2004

http://www.engadget.com/entry/5844174639663617/

Either they bought into a fake (which they as much admit to the possibility) or this is right around the corner. This web site usually doesn't post junk, so I'm kind of surprised that they bit on this one. Looking at the pics, I feel right off the bat that they're fake (it sits too far down and looks like it would easily tip over, given no back brace and very short feet) - and the info states that they'll be "...introducing it at the next Macworld Expo.":confused:

(supposed "side view" shown below - story and other pics at link above)

Again...this looks like a rehash of what's been around for quite a while now.

[thatwendigo]

Either they bought into a fake (which they as much admit to the possibility) or this is right around the corner.

Those images have been floating around for a while, though I couldn't point you right at an originating source. They're nothing new and quite possibly just a mockup that someone made, like the aluminum dome iMac that's still drifting through the forums.

Looking at the pics, I feel right off the bat that they're fake (it sits too far down and looks like it would easily tip over, given no back brace and very short feet) - and the info states that they'll be "...introducing it at the next Macworld Expo.":confused:

No, they say that it's coming at Worldwide Developer, not Macworld. They also state that there are no definitive screen sizes but that they're guessing 30" diagonal, but that the displays are lower power than their predecessors.

(supposed "side view" shown below - story and other pics at link above).

The "side view" looks like a badly smoothed render.

[voicegy]

No, they say that it's coming at Worldwide Developer, not Macworld.

Well, I'll be darned...they changed it since the day they posted it. I'm never one to misquote!

Still, fake, fake, fake.

[ipacmm]

[NNO-Stephen]

that's much sexier than most of the other design concepts I've seen floating around.

nice fake.

[ingenious]

that's much sexier than most of the other design concepts I've seen floating around.

nice fake.



He did a nice job, but IMHO they're too boxy.

[wdlove]

At least we are getting to see some actual ideas. I would prefer that the edges be rounded.

[ingenious]

I've read rumors that the G5 PowerBook will be made of carbon fiber. I think that would look pretty cool for the pro line. I'd love to see an 'artist's rendition' of that.


I'd love that in a sleek black look.

[BagelTycoon]

I'm guessing that Apple's 23" will be maxed out by a 25" -30" screen

;)

Do you think the new iMacs are also getting the new screens (17 and 20...23??) and thats one reason they are being held off?

[MacBandit]

This exact image has been floating around Spymac for nearly a year now. The photo first appeared within a month of the G5 being announced.

[G4-power]

I myself think the new look after this brushed aluminium could be something like transparent plastic that's been darkened, like in sunglasses. And there could be led-lighting inside. And a backlit desktop keyboard would be cool. For the displays, I think they'll have them with the same look as the G5.

[MacBandit]

I myself think the new look after this brushed aluminium could be something like transparent plastic that's been darkened, like in sunglasses. And there could be led-lighting inside. And a backlit desktop keyboard would be cool. For the displays, I think they'll have them with the same look as the G5.

They could also put one red eye near the top of them and name them Hal. :eek: :D

[sambo.]

30" sounds nice, but how big a mortgage will i have to take out to afford one?
once the revision arrives, i'll be looking to find a 20" or 23" from the current range a bit cheaper than the current "large-intake-of-breath" expensive ones.
otherwise, i'll just get an NEC or Hitachi flatscreen.........

[Chip NoVaMac]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=512


the refreshed product-line will feature 30-inch, 23-inch and 20-inch models, but will no longer include a 17-inch offering.


If the details are true, this could be really great!

With no 17", I would assume that the 20" will have to be in the $699 to $799 range. Really should be $699, in order to keep customers within the Apple family.

With the rebates on the 23", that would make the new 23" coming is at $1499, though $1399 would be a nice compromise.

[PowerMacMan]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=512



If the details are true, this could be really great!

With no 17", I would assume that the 20" will have to be in the $699 to $799 range. Really should be $699, in order to keep customers within the Apple family.

With the rebates on the 23", that would make the new 23" coming is at $1499, though $1399 would be a nice compromise.

Wow, this is looking great!

I don't know why they wouldn't expand the line up and offer a 17'' monitor for those who wouldn't want to spend however much a 20'' will cost from Apple... I personally am going to get the 23'' monitor asap... I am getting excited, I need a Apple monitor to accompany my new G5!

[Lancetx]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=512



If the details are true, this could be really great!

With no 17", I would assume that the 20" will have to be in the $699 to $799 range. Really should be $699, in order to keep customers within the Apple family.

With the rebates on the 23", that would make the new 23" coming is at $1499, though $1399 would be a nice compromise.

The article states that the 20" will be $999, the 23" $1,499-1,799 and the 30" will be $2,999. I guess we'll see for sure (if this even happens at all) next Monday...

[Chip NoVaMac]

Wow, this is looking great!

I don't know why they wouldn't expand the line up and offer a 17'' monitor for those who wouldn't want to spend however much a 20'' will cost from Apple... I personally am going to get the 23'' monitor asap... I am getting excited, I need a Apple monitor to accompany my new G5!

That's why I think that the new 20" needs to be at $699. That would put it in the range of some of the 12" third party LCD's. And keep an important price point IMO.

[Mudbug]

I think AppleInsider had to pull their image - here it is for as long as it lasts:

(and for the record, it looks inherently unstable to me, so I think this may be off a bit, but I've been wrong before ;))

[Chip NoVaMac]

I think AppleInsider had to pull their image - here it is for as long as it lasts:

(and for the record, it looks inherently unstable to me, so I think this may be off a bit, but I've been wrong before ;))

Bummer on the update on the expected pricing. $999 for the 20" and if true, no 17" Maybe they have to dwindle the inventory down on the 17" models before the change over.

[G4-power]

It's a shame if they quit the 17" line. I think they could get more buyers with that line, if they could keep the price point low.

[TMay]

I'd like to get the 30 inch display, but, I'm not keen on buying a G5 until the 3.0 Ghz and PPC 975 are shipped. I have a 9800 in my dual 500 now, it won't drive the 30 inch, and I haven't come across any other compatible video cards that will.

BTW, these will be very desirable for MCAD systems. I have a 3.0 Pentium system set up for MCAD now that would really benefit from a 30 inch Cinema display, but, I would still have to track down a video card for that as well (it now has an nvidia GeForce FX 5200).

[narco]

I saw this artist rendition just after the release of the G5. I detect some B.S.

// narco

[narco]

I think AppleInsider had to pull their image - here it is for as long as it lasts:

(and for the record, it looks inherently unstable to me, so I think this may be off a bit, but I've been wrong before ;))

It looks a bit unsafe, but maybe it the stand connects to the top of the LCD. If that's the case, it'll bring more support towards the middle and make the unit sturdy. Just a guess, though.

// narco

[Les McQueen]

Gee it looks nice (if it's real) but they cost an arm and a leg as it is. Why not make it out of plastic. Nice glossy white or light grey. Purple even, its plastic. Thats another reason apple stuff cost so much, all the extra stuff that don't actually make it run any better but yeah, it looks better. Like the iPod. If Steve is serious about dropping the prices, get rid of the metal glossy/shiny/mirrored back and stick a plastic one on. 99.9% of the time you're looking at the front anyway.

[MacBandit]

I'd like to get the 30 inch display, but, I'm not keen on buying a G5 until the 3.0 Ghz and PPC 975 are shipped. I have a 9800 in my dual 500 now, it won't drive the 30 inch, and I haven't come across any other compatible video cards that will.

BTW, these will be very desirable for MCAD systems. I have a 3.0 Pentium system set up for MCAD now that would really benefit from a 30 inch Cinema display, but, I would still have to track down a video card for that as well (it now has an nvidia GeForce FX 5200).

They will drive a 30 inch no problem even though the current drivers and sales literature do not say so. I'm positive of this.

[bennetsaysargh]

Like the iPod. If Steve is serious about dropping the prices, get rid of the metal glossy/shiny/mirrored back and stick a plastic one on. 99.9% of the time you're looking at the front anyway.

Actually, it's quite useful at times. some of my friends use the back of my ipod as a mirror. it's actually quite useful at times.

[MacBandit]

Gee it looks nice (if it's real) but they cost an arm and a leg as it is. Why not make it out of plastic. Nice glossy white or light grey. Purple even, its plastic. Thats another reason apple stuff cost so much, all the extra stuff that don't actually make it run any better but yeah, it looks better. Like the iPod. If Steve is serious about dropping the prices, get rid of the metal glossy/shiny/mirrored back and stick a plastic one on. 99.9% of the time you're looking at the front anyway.

The metal back is not chromed but polished stainless and on top of that it's metal to help cool the internals. It conducts the heat out and away from the internals. Also a polished surface cools better than and unpolished one. Chrome on the other hand holds heat.

[Maxx Power]

www.eyegonomic.com

Small company in Denmark, all monitors are built to order. I've been eyeing those for a long long time now... As soon as the paper with presidents heads starts to flow in, i'm making a small investment toward one of these, either 19 or 24 inch.

[stoid]

www.eyegonomic.com

Small company in Denmark, all monitors are built to order. I've been eyeing those for a long long time now... As soon as the paper with presidents heads starts to flow in, i'm making a small investment toward one of these, either 19 or 24 inch.

That looks almost exactly what I would expect an Apple Aluminum monitor to look like! If only I had $$.... or maybe $$$

[cr2sh]

That looks almost exactly what I would expect an Apple Aluminum monitor to look like! If only I had $$.... or maybe $$$

Exactly. Look at that massive single black cable coming out the back of it.... very cool.

As far as the design... not so sure that that'll pivot down.

[Maxx Power]

Exactly. Look at that massive single black cable coming out the back of it.... very cool.

As far as the design... not so sure that that'll pivot down.

If you go to the website, which i suggest you should, they offer any number of stands compatible with most models of monitors they offer to offer L-arm mount, and table mount, wall mounts, and other types of adjustable mounts.

[themadchemist]

Actually, though the article talks about lower profit margins, it also says this:

:rolleyes:

the article you quoted about iPod mini profit margins said that something may not be "directly effected," which makes me question the validity of the article. :rolleyes:

maxx power: what's the pricepoint on those monitors. couldn't find anything on the web site (although, admittedly, I didn't look THAT hard).

[cr2sh]

If you go to the website, which i suggest you should, they offer any number of stands compatible with most models of monitors they offer to offer L-arm mount, and table mount, wall mounts, and other types of adjustable mounts.

Why would I do that when I can just order an apple branded lcd (which is exactly what I've been waiting for) on monday?

[themadchemist]

Why would I do that when I can just order an apple branded lcd (which is exactly what I've been waiting for) on monday?

I dunno, Apple's got it's work cut out for it beating those monitors that Maxx Power pointed out.

[Dr. Dastardly]

I always thought it would be cool if they for-goed the aluminum and had a screen with the display that was floating on glass. Like the million dollar sony plasma TVs. I think they look elegant and kick ass. Now take the glass and have a cool illuminated apple logo on the bottom and I'll take 12.

As long as they are about ten bucks a pop. :p

[Maxx Power]

Why would I do that when I can just order an apple branded lcd (which is exactly what I've been waiting for) on monday?

If they (apple lcd's) are as flexible and durable AND have a glass coating in front of the fragile LCD which is prone to smudges, and if they offer an L-arm mount, I'd open my wallet up and order one too.

All their past generation LCD's has been about looks, nothing about ergonomics and other goodies, I don't think you should be subjected to making a choice between those things, competitive markets don't work that way.

[G4-power]

These Eyegonomics LCD's look nice, but there's one concern in connectivity. Only the 24" model has DVI. All others have analogue VGA D-Sub. The 24-inch has Composite, S-Video, and audio in/out too, so that sounds good. Though, then we're back to the massive amount of cables. The adjustability is great, with those different mounts. Apple might not be going with the flow, and make different mounts, in the name of simplicity, but who knows. There are different mounts for the iSight... Well, we'll see at WWDC. Or then not.