New PowerMac G5 Support in 10.3.3?

[MacRumors]

Mac OS X 10.3.3 contains evidence of support for a new PowerMac revision:

10.3.2's Localizable.strings only had one model listed:

"PowerMac7,2" = "Power Mac G5";

10.3.3 has:

"PowerMac7,2" = "Power Mac G5";
"PowerMac7,3" = "Power Mac G5";

[paulypants]

patiently waiting.... :rolleyes:

[Wonder Boy]

finally some interesting news to talk about

[Laslo Panaflex]

Mac OS X 10.3.3 contains evidence of support for a new PowerMac revision:

10.3.2's Localizable.strings only had one model listed:

"PowerMac7,2" = "Power Mac G5";

10.3.3 has:

"PowerMac7,2" = "Power Mac G5";
"PowerMac7,3" = "Power Mac G5";

That's pretty cool find there. The revisions really don't affect me becuase I have been using daul 2gig G5 since october. I hope that the new ones top out at close to 3gigs though, that would be awsome.

[Steven1621]

could the difference be related to the different processor? one would think that the new PM's would use the 970FX like in teh xServes. maybe the os update is for that.

[AVON]

Come one apple!!! I have new computer fever!!

[insidedanshead]

I've got this far with my 733 Digital Audio... I think, er hope, I can resist this new line until the 3ghz's come out. The moneys in the bank ready to be spent.. ohhhhh boy.

[Laslo Panaflex]

could the difference be related to the different processor? one would think that the new PM's would use the 970FX like in teh xServes. maybe the os update is for that.

The machine ID for the Xserve G4's says RackMac not PowerMac. I don't think that it is an xserve, unless its the G5 xserve, but probably not.

[dukemeiser]

This is also in 10.3.3

"PowerMac6,1" = "iMac";

Can anyone confirm this and see if it is in 10.3.2? If not it looks like a new iMac has been added to the list, possibly G5? I don't know since I don't have 10.3.2 anymore.

[el_aarono]

So what do the numbers mean?

Does the 2 in "PowerMac 7,2" mean 2 ghz? If so, then the 3 in "PowerMac

7,3" could mean 3 ghz. Or do those numbers refer to something else....

......maybe rev. number?

[dukemeiser]

The numbers don't refer to clock speed. Just revisions.

[kenaustus]

A pretty good indication that 10.3.3 had to be released before a new PM. If that's the case I would bet they are loading a lot of PMs right now for an announcement very soon - like next week or the next.

[primalman]

could someone run xBench or something and check their revision number of their PowerMac G5? Also, someone with an iMac do the same? This could confirm or deny this finding as meaningful.

Thank you and good night.

[appleface]

is ibm expected to continue to increase clock speeds on the 970, or is ibm expected to now concentrate only on increasing the speed of the 970fx?

could the difference be related to the different processor? one would think that the new PM's would use the 970FX like in teh xServes. maybe the os update is for that.

[etype]

This is also in 10.3.3
Can anyone confirm this and see if it is in 10.3.2? If not it looks like a new iMac has been added to the list, possibly G5? I don't know since I don't have 10.3.2 anymore.

In 10.3.2:

"PowerMac6,1" = "iMac";
Sorry.

[cubist]

could the difference be related to the different processor? one would think that the new PM's would use the 970FX like in teh xServes. maybe the os update is for that.

I think that's right. Someone pointed out on the Cube list that there are two codenames for the Cube, "Trinity" with the 7400 and "Rubicon" with the 7410, and I noticed that there were two entries for the Cube in the list of strings from which these came. Ergo, the 970FX machines get a new entry.

[MentalFabric]

How do we know this is talking about the next model of G5's, there are already two! They changed a few things and now the G5's break a little less often. The differences aren't that visible, but if you look at the screws holding the processor in, the older ones have philips head screws and the newer ones have hex screws, and when ordering service parts from apple you have to buy a different version of the processor for each model.

[0 and A ai]

this just about confirms that new powermacs are very very near.

[stingerman]

How do we know this is talking about the next model of G5's, there are already two! They changed a few things and now the G5's break a little less often. The differences aren't that visible, but if you look at the screws holding the processor in, the older ones have philips head screws and the newer ones have hex screws, and when ordering service parts from apple you have to buy a different version of the processor for each model.

We know because we are comparing differences in OS revisions when the new dual 1.8GHz G5 existed. This is a completely new descriptor for the OS and has not been used to date to describe any of the current PowerMacs. It makes sense that Apple is ready to release the next upgrade, it has been about 6 Months since volume shipments of the dual G5 started. It seems longer only because Apple pre-announced the original models, but volume shipments really didn't start till mid to late September.

[Moonlight]

How do we know this is talking about the next model of G5's, there are already two! They changed a few things and now the G5's break a little less often. The differences aren't that visible, but if you look at the screws holding the processor in, the older ones have philips head screws and the newer ones have hex screws, and when ordering service parts from apple you have to buy a different version of the processor for each model.

I am not sure they have to update the software for hex screws???

But, you do have a good point that it may be revision to refine the current model.

[wdlove]

So what do the numbers mean?

Does the 2 in "PowerMac 7,2" mean 2 ghz? If so, then the 3 in "PowerMac

7,3" could mean 3 ghz. Or do those numbers refer to something else....

......maybe rev. number?

I was wondering the same thing. If the 3 was referring to Rev. number, then it would seem that we would be on Rev. C.

[SFNE Freak]

I was wondering the same thing. If the 3 was referring to Rev. number, then it would seem that we would be on Rev. C.
Dual 1.8 was Rev 2.

[centauratlas]

Well, it is good to see my post referenced here! ;-)
(see http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=64523&page=7&pp=25)

[daveL]

Dual 1.8 was Rev 2.
So why isn't there a string for rev 1?

[MongoTheGeek]

Running File merge shows some more changes.

It adds an XServeG5 as RackMac3,1

(what's RackMac2?)

It also adds Powerbook6,2 as a Powerbook g4 12"

there are a whole slew of reorganizations as well.

[invaLPsion]

Mac OS X 10.3.3 contains evidence of support for a new PowerMac revision:

10.3.2's Localizable.strings only had one model listed:

"PowerMac7,2" = "Power Mac G5";

10.3.3 has:

"PowerMac7,2" = "Power Mac G5";
"PowerMac7,3" = "Power Mac G5";

I hate to say this, but the only thing this tells us is that Powermacs will come out before 10.3.4 is released, and that could be a while.

Nevertheless, with that said, i believe that powermacs will come out he 23rd or the 30th as predicted.

[Duff-Man]

Nevertheless, with that said, i believe that powermacs will come out he 23rd or the 30th as predicted.Duff-Man says....Not that this means anything considering the source, but MOSR now says Powermac updates around the time of NAB Expo - April 17-22.....oh yeah!

[invaLPsion]

Duff-Man says....Not that this means anything considering the source, but MOSR now says Powermac updates around the time of NAB Expo - April 17-22.....oh yeah!

I saw that.

Lemme think about this...

I think I'll take the word of Apple Insider, Macnews.net.tc, Macplus, and Macrumors instead. Thanks. :D

Updates in MARCH! WOO!

[~Shard~]

Sounds promising to me. I'm not in the market for a new G5 myself, but my friend is just itching to get his hands on a new G5 - I've been telling him wait these past few weeks, until the 23rd or the 30th - hoperfully I won't be wrong for him!

[Stoffel]

Running File merge shows some more changes.

It adds an XServeG5 as RackMac3,1

(what's RackMac2?)

It also adds Powerbook6,2 as a Powerbook g4 12"

there are a whole slew of reorganizations as well.

You mean, we'll probably see a new pb 12" next week?
That would be great....

[Zaty]

Running File merge shows some more changes.

It adds an XServeG5 as RackMac3,1

(what's RackMac2?)

It also adds Powerbook6,2 as a Powerbook g4 12"

there are a whole slew of reorganizations as well.

According to the Mactracker database, the current PB 12" carries "PowerBook6,2" as its machine ID. Could someone double check 10.3.2? I don't think they would only update the 12" PB unless they don't change the remaining models because those will soon be updated to G5 (but not the 12", which could support my speculation made in this thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64755)

[Doraemon]

Here's a list with all Machine IDs:

http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=tam&page=products&subpage=newworld

[klaus]

I hate to say this, but the only thing this tells us is that Powermacs will come out before 10.3.4 is released, and that could be a while.


Yes, I second that.
Can anybody tell me what was the time between 10.3.1 and 10.3.2, and also the time between 10.3.2 and 10.3.3? That would give us a nice timeframe..

but i also second the updates will come before mid april

[MongoTheGeek]

According to the Mactracker database, the current PB 12" carries "PowerBook6,2" as its machine ID. Could someone double check 10.3.2? I don't think they would only update the 12" PB unless they don't change the remaining models because those will soon be updated to G5 (but not the 12", which could support my speculation made in this thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64755)

10.3.2
"PowerBook6,1" = "PowerBook G4 (12 inch)";

10.3.3
"PowerBook6,3" = "iBook G4";
"PowerBook6,1" = "PowerBook G4 12\"";
"PowerBook6,2" = "PowerBook G4 12\"";

I'm guessing RackMac2 that wasn't listed is probably the XServe Raid

[BruinJohn]

I saw on MacMall that they are selling Powerbooks, iBooks, and Powermacs with iPods and giving up to $200 off. But the funny thing is the sale ends Monday 11:49 pm PST. Could this mean that there will be upgrades to these computers starting Tuesday and they just want to get rid of as many computers before the new models come in? I hope thats the case because I want to sell my powerbook and get a faster one.

[Zaty]

10.3.2
"PowerBook6,1" = "PowerBook G4 (12 inch)";

10.3.3
"PowerBook6,3" = "iBook G4";
"PowerBook6,1" = "PowerBook G4 12\"";
"PowerBook6,2" = "PowerBook G4 12\"";

I'm guessing RackMac2 that wasn't listed is probably the XServe Raid

Interesting, but is it really possible that 12" Revisions A and B carry the same machine ID? If so, why would a Rev. C get a new ID if it's just a speed bump. Given that there are quite a few significant differences between Rev. A and B (USB 2.0, Mini-DVI, 512 KB L2 Cache, 256 MB RAM on board), it's hard to imagine what a Rev. C would feature. BTW why is the iBook G4 not listed in 10.3.2?

[~Shard~]

All signs point to Tuesday!!! :cool:

[blue&whiteman]

you guys think the entry level machine will really be a dual 1.8 as rumored?

[Doraemon]

I'm guessing RackMac2 that wasn't listed is probably the XServe Raid

No, that is not possible. The Xserve RAID doesn't carry an own Machine ID, since it is not a computer and doesn't have a motherboard or CPU.

[Doraemon]

Dual 1.8 was Rev 2.

No. It was not. Still G5 Rev. 1. Same motherboard, same CPU.

[MongoTheGeek]

Interesting, but is it really possible that 12" Revisions A and B carry the same machine ID? If so, why would a Rev. C get a new ID if it's just a speed bump. Given that there are quite a few significant differences between Rev. A and B (USB 2.0, Mini-DVI, 512 KB L2 Cache, 256 MB RAM on board), it's hard to imagine what a Rev. C would feature. BTW why is the iBook G4 not listed in 10.3.2?

Could be the rev B is the different machine ID. The G4 ibook was late to this update. All I know about this is whats in the files I have. I didn't know until recently where the file was.

[Catfish_Man]

is ibm expected to continue to increase clock speeds on the 970, or is ibm expected to now concentrate only on increasing the speed of the 970fx?

The 970fx is basically just a speed-bumped 970 (smaller circuitry and better power management), so no, IBM won't be focusing on the old 970 anymore.

[wdlove]

The 970fx is basically just a speed-bumped 970 (smaller circuitry and better power management), so no, IBM won't be focusing on the old 970 anymore.

If I remember correctly in the G5 announcement video, the Vice-President of IBM spoke. He stated that IBM was already working on the next generation chip. So that means that they have been hard at work for at least six months now on that new chip. On March 31st we could hear about a new chip.

[Doraemon]

Interesting, but is it really possible that 12" Revisions A and B carry the same machine ID?

They don't.

Rev A.: PowerBook6,1
Rev B.: PowerBook6,2

and iBook G4 (very similar computer) is PowerBook6,3.

[invaLPsion]

I will be simply amazed if MacPlus is correct about the release date of the powermacs, especially since it was predicted weeks back. I'll have to check their site more often after this.

Good thing I can speak French! :p

UPDATES TUESDAY

[xsmi]

I think there is too much product in the pipeline for there to be an update Tues. If anything happens this week I think we might see price drops. I just left macmall's website and they have over 1100 2.0DP and 1100 1.6's in stock. I know that watching inventory is not a scientific way of guessing update cycles but that just seems too high.

[klaus]

I think there is too much product in the pipeline for there to be an update Tues. If anything happens this week I think we might see price drops. I just left macmall's website and they have over 1100 2.0DP and 1100 1.6's in stock. I know that watching inventory is not a scientific way of guessing update cycles but that just seems too high.

I couldn't believe these stock figures, so I checked the website myself..and I although I have a hard time to believe it, i saw the units in stock nr which said "1107".

Am I the only one who thinks this is really ackward? Why would they take so much stock in when they should know that the 6 months product cycle is coming to an end?

Or did they buy 2000 at the launch, and still have that amount left? Hardly something I can believe either..

strange, and if true, a little stupid from the side of macmall.. imho

[Naimfan]

The stock issue is also one reason I don't think Powerbook updates are all that close....I just looked at Clubmac and they have over 1200 15" PBs in stock, along with 300 17" and ~325 12". That is just at one reseller--although I now think Clubmac and Macmall either share inventory, are the same corporation, or are just giving a view to Apple's own stock levels.

Best,

Bob

[invaLPsion]

The stock issue is also one reason I don't think Powerbook updates are all that close....I just looked at Clubmac and they have over 1200 15" PBs in stock, along with 300 17" and ~325 12". That is just at one reseller--although I now think Clubmac and Macmall either share inventory, are the same corporation, or are just giving a view to Apple's own stock levels.

Best,

Bob

I am pretty sure MacMall and ClubMac share stocks.

I also think that if Apple waits any longer for the stocks to completely disappear we'll be waiting for a while.

I also think that Apple doesn't wait for stocks to completely deplete to release new models. Look at the 867 Mhz 12 inch powerbooks, for example. Those are still in stock at most stores, as are the old G3 iBooks.

When new products are released the resellers simply lower the prices on the old inventory to move them out. Apple doesn't wait for their stocks to completely deplete.

Actually, if you think about it, 1000 in stock is relatively small compared to what is usually kept. At one time, ClubMac had over 5000 units of the single 1.8 in stock.

With all this said, it is pretty obvious that updates are IMMINENT.

[~Shard~]

... With all this said, it is pretty obvious that updates are IMMINENT.

And by imminent, we mean Tuesday! :cool:

[alamar]

this just about confirms that new powermacs are very very near.

Conversations like this make me wonder what percentage of people here just want to salivate of new product announcments and what percentage will actually buy one. :) I fit into the first group.

[klaus]

i'm in the second (a soon to be switcher :D )

[aswitcher]

Conversations like this make me wonder what percentage of people here just want to salivate of new product announcments and what percentage will actually buy one. :) I fit into the first group.

I am in the second if its a G5PB for the same price point! (And Apple Australia does justice to the exchange rate)

[NicoMan]

I am in the second if its a G5PB for the same price point! (And Apple Australia does justice to the exchange rate)
Just don't hold your breath...

[wdlove]

Conversations like this make me wonder what percentage of people here just want to salivate of new product announcments and what percentage will actually buy one. :) I fit into the first group.

I fit in both groups. I plan to purchase a Rev. B Power Mac G5. :)

[Snowy_River]

Well, it looks like there are no new releases today...

(Unless you count the shipping of the G5 Xserves... ;))

[aswitcher]

Well, it looks like there are no new releases today...

(Unless you count the shipping of the G5 Xserves... ;))

Nope, thats it for another week...Maybe end of the month...

[Bilvox]

:rolleyes:
well since the memory upgrade discount program ends next week I bet that is when we will see some goodies.

I tell you what though I am ichin like a sonna na na beech to get a pb15, with the new price drop in the refurbed versions, I wonder if we will see anything affecting the PB line come next tues or the first tue of april.

ahhh
paitence...

-bilvox




http://www.bilvox.com

[Jo-Kun]

:rolleyes:
well since the memory upgrade discount program ends next week I bet that is when we will see some goodies.

I just checked our belgian Apple site, sorry that the quote is in Dutch but it states that the memory discount is for consumers buying in between 27Feb and 8 may trough the apple store... so would they not release new G5's at the same time in europe? normally (except for the iPod Mini wich still has to be released) they release their new systems worldwide at the same time... I guess...

"1. Deze actie geeft klanten die tussen 27 februari en 8 mei 2004 via een deelnemende Apple Store op het internet een in aanmerking komende Apple computer (zoals hieronder gespecificeerd) aanschaffen, recht op een korting van maximaal 38% op de aankoopprijs van extra geheugen dat is aangeschaft via de maatwerkoptie"

greetings J

[geffde]

It seems strange that there is only <em>one</em> Localizable in 10.3.2 and only two in 10.3.3 because there are 1...2...3 different G5 configurations currently out. So unless this <i>new</i> G5 has different architecture than the 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 (going beyong simply ramping up the clock speed), the only rational explanation for another Localizable is that...OH HORRORS! there was an error on the part of a poor Apple programmer.

[klaus]

It seems strange that there is only <em>one</em> Localizable in 10.3.2 and only two in 10.3.3 because there are 1...2...3 different G5 configurations currently out. So unless this <i>new</i> G5 has different architecture than the 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 (going beyong simply ramping up the clock speed), the only rational explanation for another Localizable is that...OH HORRORS! there was an error on the part of a poor Apple programmer.

New powermacs will have the 970fx, and powertune, so that's probably the reason for another entry in that document

[IndyGopher]

I know that there are a lot of programmers in these forums, and a few scientists of various stripes as well. And frankly I find it alarming that you think this is proof of anything. Someone said that it was proof that new revisions would be released before 10.3.4 comes out, but even that is faulty logic. One could just as easily say it is evidence that Apple has no intention of updating the OS again until after new machines come out.. and if you were all pumped up for a new OS instead of a new machine, you would be crying.
It implies perhaps that it is Apple's hope to either release new machines before another revision of the OS ships, or Apple's hope that when it does release a new machine, it won't need to release another version of the OS just to support it.
Sorry folks, but this info, while interesting, is not proof of anything. That said, I sure hope they bring out new PowerMacs soon. And new Powerbooks. And while we're at it, let's have G5 iMacs and maybe an eMac with a better screen.. I don't think eMac owners should be denied a decent resolution on their 17" CRT's.. the 17" Studio Display CRT did 1600x1200, why doesn't the eMac?

[arobasefr]

:)
Her you are

M9042LL/A
Dual 2.2 Ghz
512MB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI Radeon 9600 Pro
160GB Serial ATA
3 64Bit PCI-X slots, 1 133Mhz, 2@ 100Mhz

M9490LL/A
Dual 2.4 Ghz
1GB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI Radeon 9800XT
250GB Serial ATA
3 267Mhz PCI-X slots backward compatible with PCI-X 1.0

M9496LL/A
Dual 2.6 Ghz
1GB PC 3200 DDR
Pioneer DVR-A07 superdrive
ATI RAdeon 9800XT
250 GB Serial ATA
3 267MHz PCI-X slots backward compatible with PCI-X 1.0

[LazarusAfoot]

Apple has a way of confusing us and this leaves people to mythologize meanings for the cryptic numbers. Once and for all:

Power Macintosh 7,3 = Dual 2Ghz G5 June 2004

Power Macintosh 7,2 = Dual 2Ghz G5 June 2003

The 7,3 is, in my considered opinion, the best machine because it retained the TRUE DUAL status (seperate system bus for each processor) and most had the variable speed processors. Very fast machine as long as you have at least 3 Gigs of RAM--even by today's standards.

[Blue Velvet]

While we appreciate the contribution, and we do ask people to at least do a cursory search for existing threads before starting new ones, reviving a three-year old thread in this case to make this specific point seems a little pointless. For that reason, this thread is now closed.