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garybUK
Feb 9, 2009, 03:04 AM
Sorry i did search and didn't see this anywhere else:

Fires in Australia!! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7878106.stm

I hope no one here is affected and already 131 dead :(

I hope they catch the people and make them pay!

kiwi-in-uk
Feb 9, 2009, 06:52 AM
We're about 3 - 4 miles from where one of the fires started.

Truly awful.

We were not affected but some of our friends lost buildings and animals. To my knowledge none of our friends was physically harmed.

For those of you who wish to know more there is good coverage at abc.net.au and news.com.au/heraldsun

Soundie
Feb 9, 2009, 08:27 AM
I was speaking with my Australian friend who lives in Melbourne about this earlier today and she said that many of her best friends had lost their homes, the number of deaths was now over 130 but she didnīt want to hear any names, I donīt think she wanted to know if it was anybody she knew just yet. Yesterday she told me she was minutes away from packing all her stuff and driving away, but the police told her it was alright. I didnīt really know what to say to her, it truly is a tragedy! At least it makes me grateful for the cold Norwegian winter (well, at least were safe). I canīt believe that someone would do this in purpose...

Abstract
Feb 9, 2009, 08:30 AM
I have friends who come from Albury. Wonder if they're all OK. It's difficult to keep track of who comes from where, but quite a few people I know are from there. :o

Bushplum
Feb 9, 2009, 05:12 PM
Its very smoky down here in Albury. The bushfires are a few kms away from me down in Beechworth at the moment (a town currently being levelled by the fires).

Music_Producer
Feb 9, 2009, 08:40 PM
We have fires every year (I'm in California) .. there are hardly any fatalities though.. I can imagine the size of these fires in Australia.. hope there are no more fatalities - everyone needs to evacuate instead of staying put hoping the fire won't reach them.

And, again, like in most cases - these fires are always started by some f@cking idiots. I wish if and when they are caught they can be burned alive. :mad:

obeygiant
Feb 9, 2009, 10:25 PM
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neonblue2
Feb 9, 2009, 11:11 PM
We have fires every year (I'm in California) .. there are hardly any fatalities though.. I can imagine the size of these fires in Australia.. hope there are no more fatalities - everyone needs to evacuate instead of staying put hoping the fire won't reach them.

And, again, like in most cases - these fires are always started by some f@cking idiots. I wish if and when they are caught they can be burned alive. :mad:

We know about your fires. We're the ones who taught you how to fight them.

Chundles
Feb 10, 2009, 01:08 AM
I posted this stuff in a different forum, thought it would be good for people to be able to see how it progressed over a couple of days....



My country is burning today.

If you pray, then pray, if you don't then send some positive thoughts this way. Scores are dead, towns have been wiped off the map in Victoria.

It's really bad down there.

Up in northern queensland it hasn't stopped raining in 34 days - the towns are underwater and it's not letting up any time soon. Wish we had some way of moving even a fraction of that water down to those in Victoria.

ABC News. (http://www.abc.net.au/news/)


Yeah it's pretty ***** right now. Not too bad here in NSW though there are 53 fires burning across the state here and a big front coming through so we're not out of the woods.

Victoria is another story, it's just devastated, almost like Ash Wednesday in 1983 when fires combined and burnt a million acres in one day. 700+ homes destroyed and so far nearly 70 dead with that number sure to rise significantly as the fire brigades and the army start checking out all the homes.

These fronts are burning everything in their path so quickly - they're moving through the tinder dry bush at over 90km/h (55mph) and people trying to escape them in their cars have been overtaken and engulfed.

Eucalyptus trees are almost designed to burn - most of them require flame to germinate their seeds. They're full of oil and will simply explode in a fireball when they get hit. The flames at the front are over 40m (130') high and moving faster than most cars can drive in that part of the country. One blaze has knocked out 200,000 hectares (nearly 800 square miles) in a matter of a couple of days. This is just one of the blazes. We had ones a few years ago that knocked out 1.7 million hectares (6500 square miles) of fragile alpine bushland that is yet to even begin to recover and it's about to be hit again if the rains don't come.

They're getting worse too, a few small towns are gone, as in GONE, nothing left, and the winds are shifting to push the blazes towards some of the larger pretty towns in the Victorian High Country.

It's totally f*cked up. Some snivelling little turds have been lighting these things on purpose. They should be tied to one of the trees in the path of the blaze and left to burn.

EDIT: 76 people now confirmed dead - worse than Ash Wednesday.

Worst Ever Bushfire Disaster. (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/02/08/2485648.htm)

Ash Wednesday Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Wednesday_fires)


Oh man, it's getting much, much worse now...

86 dead, an entire town that was wiped off the map hasn't even been counted because they can't get to it yet.

108 now dead.

Just horrible.

131 now dead, winds are stirring up a potentially massive blaze in the La Trobe valley.

Bloody hell what a nightmare. You can see in one of these photos just how hot the fire was - those trails coming from the car used to be his alloy wheels...

173 dead now... crap. Probably going to exceed 200.

Chundles
Feb 10, 2009, 01:13 AM
One single fire front, 80km (50 miles) long with a wall of flames up to 40m (130 feet) high went through the tinder dry bush at speeds up to 90km/h (55mph) and burnt through 250,000 hectares (almost 1000 square miles) in a single day.

I wrote a bit about it early on but I was following the news, we got some more accurate info as the days went on.

Over 600,000 acres burnt to the ground in a day... I can't fathom that. No wonder so many died in their cars trying to get away - they couldn't outrun the fire front.

garybUK
Feb 10, 2009, 02:36 AM
I have no comprehension of what it must be like, we don't get anything like that, the only real natural disasters we get are floods, but I don't even get that (thank you pennines).

I have been following the story on the BBC and it's awful what people are going through and the accounts from people who are being interviewed are quite graphic.

Though from an outsider your PM Kevin Judd seems to be pretty competent.

SydneyDev
Feb 10, 2009, 07:32 AM
One single fire front, 80km (50 miles) long with a wall of flames up to 40m (130 feet) high went through the tinder dry bush at speeds up to 90km/h (55mph) and burnt through 250,000 hectares (almost 1000 square miles) in a single day.

To people who can't understand how so many can die in a fire in this day and age, these numbers are why. Luckily there has been some rain today. The army are putting people up in tents while they claim their insurance etc.

Legolamb
Feb 10, 2009, 08:54 PM
To all the Aussies out there, I have no words that would not seem trite in trying to convey my feeling for all you must be going through. This is nightmarish. Hope all you MR people and your loved ones make it out safely.......

Chundles
Feb 10, 2009, 09:53 PM
To people who can't understand how so many can die in a fire in this day and age, these numbers are why. Luckily there has been some rain today. The army are putting people up in tents while they claim their insurance etc.

I read the paper this morning, the figures are even worse.

The flames were 50m (165 feet) high compared to 20m (66 feet) for a normal bushfire and so hot the firefighters could not get closer than 200m (650 feet) from the fire front compared to 50m (165 feet) for a normal fire.

The fire front was starting spot fires up to 15km (9 miles) from the main front compared to 2km (1.25 miles) for a normal bushfire.

The amount of energy in the fire on Saturday was the same as dropping 500 Hiroshima-sized atomic bombs simultaneously on the Victorian countryside.

This was no ordinary fire.

Melrose
Feb 11, 2009, 08:17 PM
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I saw the video of that. I hate to see anything - both humans and animals - suffer like that...

It's hard to believe how much damage has been done down there..

prayers.

bradl
Feb 12, 2009, 01:23 AM
I saw the video of that. I hate to anything - both humans and animals - suffer like that...

It's hard to believe how much damage has been done down there..

prayers.

For those who haven't seen the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XSPx7S4jr4

I've already donated to the Red Cross down there as well as the CFA.

BL.

Devie
Feb 12, 2009, 02:55 AM
We have fires every year (I'm in California) .. there are hardly any fatalities though.. I can imagine the size of these fires in Australia.. hope there are no more fatalities - everyone needs to evacuate instead of staying put hoping the fire won't reach them.

And, again, like in most cases - these fires are always started by some f@cking idiots. I wish if and when they are caught they can be burned alive. :mad:

Mate, these fires where so incredibly quick many couldn't do a thing to evacuate in time, towns where leveled in minutes, the fires travel faster than you can drive away and catch up and engulf, not to mention that you cant see anything from the smoke. Imagine that one, I sure as hell cant. There are pictures around of cars that crashed into tree's/other cars trying to flee.

Also, the main fires starting point has been discovered, and arson has been ruled out. There is one other big one where 21 people where killed that is suspicious and the police are tracking him.



I have no comprehension of what it must be like, we don't get anything like that, the only real natural disasters we get are floods, but I don't even get that (thank you pennines).

I have been following the story on the BBC and it's awful what people are going through and the accounts from people who are being interviewed are quite graphic.

Though from an outsider your PM Kevin Judd seems to be pretty competent.


Northern Australia (the town of Ingham) is currently flooded, I know there where a small number of fatalities there, too :(
Btw, Rudd, not Judd lol.

Dagless
Feb 12, 2009, 06:10 AM
I have no comprehension of what it must be like, we don't get anything like that, the only real natural disasters we get are floods, but I don't even get that (thank you pennines).

We do get fires on the moors. There was a really bad one above Stalybridge a couple of years ago, it was so bad they shut off all the Saddleworth Moors and I think Longdendale too.
Nothing at all like these fires though. It's mindblowingly devastating.

garybUK
Feb 12, 2009, 06:51 AM
We do get fires on the moors. There was a really bad one above Stalybridge a couple of years ago, it was so bad they shut off all the Saddleworth Moors and I think Longdendale too.
Nothing at all like these fires though. It's mindblowingly devastating.

Oh yes i forgot about that, it was really bad. I live in Stalybridge! :)

Abstract
Feb 16, 2009, 09:00 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7891865.stm


After tens of millions of dollars, lives and home destroyed, and hundreds of people dead, I don't feel too much sympathy for the man who caused the fire if he were to get hurt by someone. And to top it all off, he has child porn. Great.

Melrose
Feb 16, 2009, 09:19 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7891865.stm


After tens of millions of dollars, lives and home destroyed, and hundreds of people dead, I don't feel too much sympathy for the man who caused the fire if he were to get hurt by someone. And to top it all off, he has child porn. Great.

People are saying they take him out and burn him for poetic justice. I say turn over to the people themselves who lost family and homes. Have at it.

Justicia Publicus.

iCantwait
Feb 21, 2009, 08:11 AM
Just incase people are wondering why so many people died there are two reasons:

-People that choose to protect there houses usually shelter in their homes if they cannot safely fight the fire and the fire front will usually pass after about 6minutes leaving only cosmetic damage to the home, these fires were alot hotter than a normal aussie bush fire.

-in some areas the wind changed and blew the fire towards residential areas from many miles away with in minutes and people had no time to evacuate, safe one minute, deadly fireball coming at you the next.

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