Potential Apple Product Update Dates?

[MacRumors]

Last week, MacRumors received confirmation of impending Dual PowerMac and Display updates (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040317111449.shtml) in the near future. As stated in the previous report, no date, however, was provided.

Most eyes are fixed on an unconfirmed MacPlus.org report (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040308095938.shtml) claiming a release on Tuesday, March 23rd.

Many readers have noted that Apple has a number of promotions (Educational, and Memory upgrades) that end on March 27th. This coincides with the end of Apple's 2nd Financial Quarter for 2004... leading some to speculate at March 30rd, should Apple continue in tradition with Tuesday releases. Coincidentally, IBM is holding an event (http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-5176055.html) on March 31st, providing a roadmap for the company's Power processor -- though it's unclear if this will specifically address the PowerPC processor itself.

Finally, Apple themselves will be holding a Event ("Moving Pictures. Moving Sound. Moving the Industry") (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040310162042.shtml) on April 18th at the NAB conference.

[Grimace]

sweet - let it be. my mastercard awaits...

[sinbushar]

in other words...there are rumors that something may or may not happen in the near or far future...i love ambiguity

also, i love to be the first poster..it adds meaning to my life :'(

or not..

[trog]

Ok. Sooooo... what are you saying, exactly? It could be any day now but just not sure when?

Just kidding. :D

[JohnnyTwoToes]

hurry up with the revisions already. i'm windsocking over here.

[nicmac]

What I want.........what I need is adjustable 30" displays with half inch frames for multi-screen set ups.

[Kingsnapped]

first comment...


Have a little to learn? :D

[PlaceofDis]

ah the inevitalbe updates....hopefully soon but could be pushed back even further.....waiting can be fun? maybe

[mrdeep]

I really wish that along with display updates, they'd update the apple cinema display pamphlets so they'd unfold to the sizes of the displays, I know it is a minute detail, but if I'm going to be spending a lot of money on a display, I want to make sure that it "fits".

*goes and makes a cardboard one (23")*

[estevan2737]

I sure hope Apple has some new products ready to roll on Tuesday or the following...if for no other reason...it's time to move on to the next round of rumors.

[MacVault]

Seems to me like the Cold Mountain Sweepstakes drawing date, which was today, could indicate something to do with the PowerMac updates. The entry form page has been redirected for a week or so now, but the original link was at... http://www.apple.com/go/coldmountain/register/

I suspect the drawing will be sometime this week and perhaps coincide with the updates. The grand prize of the sweepstakes is a dual 2 Ghz powermac G5 with flat screen and a trip to Los Angeles to some video editing seminar.

[BWhaler]

this is a small bump for such a long wait.

I figure after waiting this long, I may as well hold out for the 3.0 dualies later in tthe year. I know this behavior drives Apple crazy, but I don't need a desktop, and this update, if accurate, is very uninspiring.

But who knows what I'll do. One thing is for certain, though, no new PM until they refresh the displays.

[Mac2004]

I have been wanting to buy a new Power Mac G5 for the past month now. I have no idea how much longer I can really wait!! I don't want to buy anything until the new G5's come out but the waiting is driving me nuts!! I have a G3/266mhz beige tower that really needs to be updated. I am going to wait until March 30th but I have no idea wht I will do if nothing happens by then!! I have a funny suspicion that somehting is right around the corner because Apple changed it's homepage last week to really promote the G5. If I were a betting man I would say something will happen this week.

I doubt the imacs will be updated until later this summer with the G5 chip.

[aswitcher]

SNIP

Many readers have noted that Apple has a number of promotions (Educational, and Memory upgrades) that end on March 27th. This coincides with the end of Apple's 2nd Financial Quarter for 2004...

So it's also possible that Apple are mearly trying to beef up sales for this quarter and NOTHING is coming out anytime soon...damn :(

[3.1416]

So it's also possible that Apple are mearly trying to beef up sales for this quarter and NOTHING is coming out anytime soon...damn :(

Stop saying depressing things, especially when they make sense...

That would suck, for both me and Apple. Steve, I'm all set to spend $2500. The time of this transaction is entirely up to you.

[stefman]

All signs point at a wave of products being released within the month.

On my wish list:

-New LCD monitors
-New iPods

I want...no NEED both :D

[gwuMACaddict]

sounds good to me... its about time the displays matched the boxes. def getting myself a revB G5... :D

[djbahdow01]

sweet - let it be. my mastercard awaits...

as does mine...

[aswitcher]

Stop saying depressing things, especially when they make sense...

That would suck, for both me and Apple. Steve, I'm all set to spend $2500. The time of this transaction is entirely up to you.

Sorry. Just as depressing for me. I have a similiar amount of money ready for the new G5PB...God knows how long I am going to wait for that to appear...in Australia...

[arn]

anonymous submission: "G5s are now comming up as D01 at compusa. for those that don't know what this means it is an internal code that is place on a product in the computer system to indicate a product is discontinued"

can anyone confirm?

arn

[iBrodie]

.....On my wish list:

-New LCD monitors
-New iPods


Man I hope its not new iPods as I just bought mine on Saturday,

Wait it doesnt matter what ever apple releases it will be good news

[IIvan]

anonymous submission: "G5s are now comming up as D01 at compusa. for those that don't know what this means it is an internal code that is place on a product in the computer system to indicate a product is discontinued"

can anyone confirm?

arn

from what I can see it seems they are still shipping...

[ph_555_shag]

"G5s are now comming up as D01 at compusa. for those that don't know what this means it is an internal code that is place on a product in the computer system to indicate a product is discontinued"


YAY..... that sound koooool to me :D

[vpalvarez]

anonymous submission: "G5s are now comming up as D01 at compusa. for those that don't know what this means it is an internal code that is place on a product in the computer system to indicate a product is discontinued"

can anyone confirm?

arn

Reason could be that Apple has stopped production of the G5, which means updates with new product numbers. This code is good news. It generally happens when updates are made, or replacements are made. It also likely means that Apple has started to produce the new G5s, which is also good becasue there won't be a long wait for delivery.

[mac-in-fool]

Geeks rejoice and hail me!. (When this comes true) This is my first prediction, so I have never been wrong. March 30th IS the date of the new Power Mac releases, along with the new displays. After the promos and before the big IBM thing on the 31st. (Macrumors lifted that word for word from an earlier post that I had written). Of course everyone will whine and complain that it is not enough then wait for the mythical 3ghz then the 3.5 then the 4.... Then the G6 and G7....Forget the 30" display, There will be a 17" cinema display however, to put consistent aspect ratios across the display line. Also look for a major FinalCut release at NAB along with some server goodies that will blow the AVID out of the water. They do say that they are moving pictures, sound AND THE INDUSTRY.

[russed]

I sure hope Apple has some new products ready to roll on Tuesday or the following...if for no other reason...it's time to move on to the next round of rumors.

yeh we can go on to talking about g5 PB's or imacs or video ipods! or even 3Ghz powermacs!

[Skiniftz]

I've been waiting to buy one since the "updates" were "due" in January.

My prediction: Rumour sites will keep saying "unconfirmed reports say [insert date 1-2 weeks in future]" until they come out. When they do come out, the sites will say "we told you so" but it's not exactly difficult when you keep making predictions every ****ing week now is it?

I predict new G5's some time within the next 50 years. I'm almost guaranteed to be right.

Nobody knows anything.

[porovaara]

I predict new G5's some time within the next 50 years. I'm almost guaranteed to be right.

Nobody knows anything.
Actually if someone can confirm that CompUSA is indeed showing those codes on the internal networks this is a strong indicator of an update within two weeks. Everytime CompUSA has had Macs discontinued in their system an update followed within 14 business days.

[arn]

I've been waiting to buy one since the "updates" were "due" in January.

My prediction: Rumour sites will keep saying "unconfirmed reports say [insert date 1-2 weeks in future]" until they come out. When they do come out, the sites will say "we told you so" but it's not exactly difficult when you keep making predictions every ****ing week now is it?

I predict new G5's some time within the next 50 years. I'm almost guaranteed to be right.

Nobody knows anything.

For what it's worth, this is the first time MacRumors has (personally) said that PowerMac G5 updates are coming soon. ;)

I guess we'll see.... :)

History of PowerMac Rumors:

Appleinsider: PowerMac at MWSF (Dec 2003) (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/12/20031212125807.shtml)
ThinkSecret: No new CPUs at MWSF (Dec 2003) (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/12/20031223100759.shtml)
Appleinsider/Page2: PowerMac G5s - on/around Jan 20th? (Jan '04) (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/01/20040109023348.shtml)
ThinkSecret: No PowerMacs in Feb (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/02/20040216084436.shtml)
MacPlus.org: PowerMacs - March 23rd? (March '04) (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040308095938.shtml)
MacRumors: Dual PowerMacs and Al Displays (March '04) (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/03/20040317111449.shtml)


arn

[gatesisthedevil]

Actually if someone can confirm that CompUSA is indeed showing those codes on the internal networks this is a strong indicator of an update within two weeks. Everytime CompUSA has had Macs discontinued in their system an update followed within 14 business days.

I am the person that sent the message about the DO1 status to this site. In my message I said that the 1.6's were flaged as D01 as of about a week ago as for the other two models I can not say for sure. I did some checking on compusa's website and indeed the 1.6's are completely out of stock and the duals are in limited quantities to out of stock in all but a few stores that I have checked.. about 50 or so. So from what I can tell things are looking really good for a release some time in the next week or so. I was an apple rep for a compusa in Phoenix about a two years ago and evertime new models would come out We always had at lease 4 or 5 computers we got stuck with once new models came in. Point being just because the 1.8 and 2.0 duals are showing up as in stock does not mean that they are not also DO1. I will try to call my old store today and get the skinny for sure.

[JamesDPS]

Geeks rejoice and hail me!. (When this comes true) This is my first prediction, so I have never been wrong. March 30th IS the date of the new Power Mac releases, along with the new displays. After the promos and before the big IBM thing on the 31st. (Macrumors lifted that word for word from an earlier post that I had written). Of course everyone will whine and complain that it is not enough then wait for the mythical 3ghz then the 3.5 then the 4.... Then the G6 and G7....Forget the 30" display, There will be a 17" cinema display however, to put consistent aspect ratios across the display line. Also look for a major FinalCut release at NAB along with some server goodies that will blow the AVID out of the water. They do say that they are moving pictures, sound AND THE INDUSTRY.

I agree. There's a slight chance for this week (I'll be glued to the Apple page the next couple mornings), but my money would be on the 30th too, for all of the above reasons.

[eric67]

croquer.free.fr (mac rumors french web site) has posted again an info supporting (for the second time) that the delay in PMG5 revision is indeed due to a component delivery failure from ATI, basically the graphic card maker can not deliver what it was supposed to....
so there is apparently no hardware problem neither from Apple nor from IBM
only ATI's fault.

[page3]

As I said in the other thread, I've got a Dual G5 + 17 monitor on order at the Apple UK website. When I ordered I was told 3 days to build. My order status was soon changed to 'on or before 19th March'.

Today (10 days from my order) I got an email from Apple saying that 'due to high demand we plan to ship your order on or before March 25th'.

So, new machines on the 23rd would make sense :)

[powerofthekiwi]

great - now we can hopefully get some new powerbooks! I've been waiting for like 3 months now for some updated powerbooks that actually make me NEED to buy them - i personally thought the last updates were a little dissapointing....

come on apple - lets see some 128mb vid cards in your "Pro" laptops!

[JDOG_]

Hmm..maybe Apple would be kind enough to give a much-needed update to Keynote. With the new powerpoint coming out in a couple of months Keynote will really be outdated unless they include a heap of new features. It's such a great program, they just need to make it easier do some of the things that take SOOO much workaround-ing to achieve.

Bring on the 40" glow-in-the-dark fire-retardant displays though...yee haw!

[aswitcher]

great - now we can hopefully get some new powerbooks! I've been waiting for like 3 months now for some updated powerbooks that actually make me NEED to buy them - i personally thought the last updates were a little dissapointing....

come on apple - lets see some 128mb vid cards in your "Pro" laptops!

Yep, 128 meg as option.

New M$ Office as cheaper OEM! (which might happen but only from WWDC onwards...a likely PBG5 release date...)

[SirusBodine]

Refurbished Dual 2.0 G5 = $2399
Could be a good sign :D

[Ge4-ce]

Ingram Micro, a big one, has also a real real real low stock of G5's. (ingram Micro Belgium that is..)

To be more accurate:

1.6 G5: 5 for the french/dutch version, 4 for the Spannich french version, that makes 9 and those are there for a while (they can't get rid of it)


1.8 G5 0 models in stock

1.8 duals: 1 model in stock (and again the less taken Spannish/french model)

Dual 2.0: 6 models, in stock (and also here: the less taken spannish/french one)


Normally they would have a lot more. up to 16 to 20 models of each model!
Good sign.. very good sign

[klaus]

I'll try to contact someone who has acces to the stock inventory at TechData Belgium/Europe, a company comparable to ingrammicro.

That will give us some more indication of what's happening at stock level.

[nargot]

Yep, 128 meg as option.

New M$ Office as cheaper OEM! (which might happen but only from WWDC onwards...a likely PBG5 release date...)

Maybe with a MS office that is totally compatible with windows...

[aswitcher]

Maybe with a MS office that is totally compatible with windows...

Well the latest one apparently is going to be better than the XP one, at least until that one comes out. I am optomistic that it will be attractive to switchers and SOHO users

[joshbuddy]

More a question/idea than anything else, but just pointing out that the memory deal doesn't end in france until May 8th. (and they explicitly list which products can apply) Maybe the 28th thing isn't as important as we all think it is.

[Downdivx]

More a question/idea than anything else, but just pointing out that the memory deal doesn't end in france until May 8th. (and they explicitly list which products can apply) Maybe the 28th thing isn't as important as we all think it is.

I was under the impression that foreign shipments followed a considerable time behind US releases. Anybody know if true?

Also – apple.com has refurbished G5 dual 2.0s for only 2399 with 512RAM. I seem to remember the refurbished dual 2s being more expensive than that. Does anybody remember what Apple was charging for a refurbished a few weeks ago? I’m hoping that Apple is unloading their refurbished models to make room for revision B’s.

W

[klaus]

I was under the impression that foreign shipments followed a considerable time behind US releases. Anybody know if true?

Also – apple.com has refurbished G5 dual 2.0s for only 2399 with 512RAM. I seem to remember the refurbished dual 2s being more expensive than that. Does anybody remember what Apple was charging for a refurbished a few weeks ago? I’m hoping that Apple is unloading their refurbished models to make room for revision B’s.

W

Yes, I would like to know that as well. I suppose the products will be launched on the european web-sites, and ready to pre-order.

Hoping the delay on actual shipping in europe is no longer than a month (counting from the announcement on apple.com) :(

[Jonnod III]

As I said in the other thread, I've got a Dual G5 + 17 monitor on order at the Apple UK website. When I ordered I was told 3 days to build. My order status was soon changed to 'on or before 19th March'.

Today (10 days from my order) I got an email from Apple saying that 'due to high demand we plan to ship your order on or before March 25th'.

So, new machines on the 23rd would make sense :)

don't hold your breath. Apple UK are crap. I ordered on 12th December. Recieved the machine on 20th February.

Had three delay emails. Had about four different due dates given on the website. Towards the end it said 31st Jan, then the last update it reverted back to December! Total crap. Oh, and they charged me twice for something I didn't order.

A pittance of compensation offered, so I sent it back along with the 23" Cinema and the eMac. Just about to get the refund now. What did I do? I drove to my nearest John Lewis and bought the stuff there. 2hours as opposed to 11weeks. I'll only use Apple store now if it's the only place to get things...

[dbauer]

I tend to check out the referb list on apple.com frequently and the prices on the refurb G5 hasn't changed in the last few months. The prices on the powerbooks looks like it may have though. I think the 12" combo PB 867Mhz dropped $150 last week. I think it was $1199 and now it is $1049. The 12" superdrive PB was $1399 and now it is $1299. Also the iBook G3 old stock has disappeared and the iBook G4 refurbs have finally showed up. The prices on the iMacs have also dropped but I'm not sure by how much because I wasn't tracking them as hard.

[klaus]

Is it me or did they explicitly add G4 to the iMac product title in the special deals section?

Or was it like that 4 months ago as well?

[crosten]

G5 1.6: 252
G5 Dual 1.8: 634
G5 Dual 2.0: 637

[klaus]

I'm not so sure if this is in fact a good or bad indication of imminent hardware updates by Apple.

Ingram & Techdata are 2 dealers, independent of apple, they sell lots of other products as well. And I simply don't see Apple waiting to announce updates until all these independant dealers have cleared up their stock. It's up to the dealers themself to anticipate on the demand and having enough stock to meet demand, while not being stuck with hundreds of 'old' machines when updates arrive..

just my 2 euro's

[jouster]

this is a small bump for such a long wait.


A process shrink from 130nM to 90 nM with all the advantages that entails seems like a pretty impressive bump to me....

[wrldwzrd89]

I'm certainly looking forward to PowerMac G5 updates, even though I'm not in the market for one right now (I'm not planning on buying another Mac until January 2007). I was originally planning on buying a Rev. B PowerMac G5, until I got tired of waiting and ordered the 17" iMac G4 I have now. I'm very happy with my iMac. It has some hiccups here and there, like a slow response time when woken up from sleep mode. It is certainly fast enough for my needs. My guess is that Apple will be at revision F or G by the time I'm ready (if we're not at the G6 by then).

[page3]

Hmm, well after receiving a 'your shipping date is now 25th March' email at 9am today, I've just got a 'your order has shipped' email!

Oh well, if new machines come out tomorrow I could still cancel before delivery.

[sinisterdesign]

I have been wanting to buy a new Power Mac G5 for the past month now. I have no idea how much longer I can really wait!! I don't want to buy anything until the new G5's come out but the waiting is driving me nuts!! I have a G3/266mhz beige tower that really needs to be updated. I am going to wait until March 30th but I have no idea wht I will do if nothing happens by then!!

c'mon! you've waited like 7 years to update that Mac, a few more weeks won't kill you! that WILL be a pretty sweet update though, stoneage to spaceage.

i'm getting a new machine here at work & i thought going from this slow-as-cr@p 400MHz G4 to a new G5 was going to be a huge bump, but i've got nothing on you. ;^)

[numediaman]

Why does everyone think that when they order a new machine there is some guy at Apple whose job it is to stop that order and upgrade it to a new machine? When you order a computer expect to receive the model you ordered.

The only time Apple will cancel your order and upgrade it to a newer model is when they can't fulfill your order at all -- in other words, when the old model is out of stock.

For the millionth time: if you need a new Mac now, buy it now. Otherwise, wait until the new ones come out. Don't expect that Apple will look out for you and delay or cancel your order so you can get a faster machine. Apple's job is to sell computers -- especially the computers they have on hand. Your job is to look out for your own best interests.

[page3]

Why does everyone think that when they order a new machine there is some guy at Apple whose job it is to stop that order and upgrade it to a new machine? When you order a computer expect to receive the model you ordered.

The only time Apple will cancel your order and upgrade it to a newer model is when they can't fulfill your order at all -- in other words, when the old model is out of stock.

For the millionth time: if you need a new Mac now, buy it now. Otherwise, wait until the new ones come out. Don't expect that Apple will look out for you and delay or cancel your order so you can get a faster machine. Apple's job is to sell computers -- especially the computers they have on hand. Your job is to look out for your own best interests.

I'm not expecting Apple to stop or change anything on my order. But, their terms and conditions clearly state I can cancel (at no cost to me) any time BEFORE delivery and within 10 days of delivery (if unopened) at a cost of £40. This covers me for both this Tuesday and next Tuesday. Its a work machine so I don't get a say in when it was ordered etc.

[appleface]

will the updated powermacs definately have ibm's new chips (970fx)?

[swissmann]

Did you look at the MacPolls today. As the number stands now 70% of responders will own a G5 something or other by the end of 2004. That of course is assuming that Steve's promise of 3 GHz holds true and the highly anticipated G5 powerbook makes it this year. That number is huge I think. I personally already contribute to that and I love my G5!!! The more time I spend on it the more it makes my Dual 1 GHz G4 towers seem antiquated.

[whookam]

Quick question. Can anybody who has bought a mac from any of the big UK Apple resellers (inc Apple Store) tell me whether the date on the invoice is the date the computer was ordered or the date it was shipped? A boring question but important to me non-the-less.

Whookam

[joel8x]

Mark my words...Powerbook G5 announcement.

Don't believe me? Ok, I'll make sure on the announcement to link back to this statement even if I'm wrong :)

[Zaty]

Just one thought: Does anyone know for sure based on what facts Apple decides when a product will be launched once its ready to be launched? If they updated their products according to which products needs an update the most, new revision would be launched in the following order:

1. eMac
2. PB
3. iBook
4. iMac
5. PM

Since we don't know how far IBM has already come with the G5, there is a possibility that other products are updated first. So tomorrow we could see new (G4) PBs and new eMacs.

[Mac-Xpert]

Mark my words...Powerbook G5 announcement.

Don't believe me? Ok, I'll make sure on the announcement to link back to this statement even if I'm wrong :)Ahh, so around September-October 2004 we will see this message quoted :p Great ;) Looking forward to it already :D

[cubist]

...Today (10 days from my order) I got an email from Apple saying that 'due to high demand we plan to ship your order on or before March 25th'.

So, new machines on the 23rd would make sense :)

Dude! Cancel the order!

You will get an OLD machine, and new machines will come out less than a week later!

[vpalvarez]

So it's also possible that Apple are mearly trying to beef up sales for this quarter and NOTHING is coming out anytime soon...damn :(

It just means taht Apple is trying to squeeze all the sales out the 2nd quarter as they can. It also means that they will probably release the new G5s on the 31 so all of the sales will be in 3rd quarter.

[klaus]

Dude! Cancel the order!

You will get an OLD machine, and new machines will come out less than a week later!

and what if it's a paper release? And customers have to wait 2 more months till they see their rev B powermacs?

It's his workmachine, and he has to decide if it's worth to him, waiting 2 more months, working on his old "more slow" machine.

[numediaman]

and what if it's a paper release? And customers have to wait 2 more months till they see their rev B powermacs?

It's his workmachine, and he has to decide if it's worth to him, waiting 2 more months, working on his old "more slow" machine.

I agree. If I had just ordered a dual 1.8 GHz machine, for instance, I'd stay away from rumor sites for a while. The current line-up of G5s are great (now that a lot of the bugs have been worked out). The only reason I am waiting for rev. b is because I can. My desktop, though incredibly old, is still functional -- and I have a G4 PB to boot. But if I really needed a desktop, I'd order a G5 and not look back (Never look back. Computers are updated all the time, no reason to lament an upgrade. There is nothing you can do to stop better, faster computers from being introduced.)

[invaLPsion]

As I said in the other thread, I've got a Dual G5 + 17 monitor on order at the Apple UK website. When I ordered I was told 3 days to build. My order status was soon changed to 'on or before 19th March'.

Today (10 days from my order) I got an email from Apple saying that 'due to high demand we plan to ship your order on or before March 25th'.

So, new machines on the 23rd would make sense :)

The 25th is that day that Small Dog is slated to get shipments of powermacs....

Curious...

UPDATES ON THE 23rd

[wdlove]

I'm certainly looking forward to PowerMac G5 updates, even though I'm not in the market for one right now (I'm not planning on buying another Mac until January 2007). I was originally planning on buying a Rev. B PowerMac G5, until I got tired of waiting and ordered the 17" iMac G4 I have now. I'm very happy with my iMac. It has some hiccups here and there, like a slow response time when woken up from sleep mode. It is certainly fast enough for my needs. My guess is that Apple will be at revision F or G by the time I'm ready (if we're not at the G6 by then).

I'm happy to hear that you are enjoying your iMac, thats' what is really important. I plan to be patient, not really looking to purchase till the July - September time frame. Then I won't need another till 2008, so by then there should be a G6.

[jackieonasses]

I agree. If I had just ordered a dual 1.8 GHz machine, for instance, I'd stay away from rumor sites for a while. The current line-up of G5s are great (now that a lot of the bugs have been worked out). The only reason I am waiting for rev. b is because I can. My desktop, though incredibly old, is still functional -- and I have a G4 PB to boot. But if I really needed a desktop, I'd order a G5 and not look back (Never look back. Computers are updated all the time, no reason to lament an upgrade. There is nothing you can do to stop better, faster computers from being introduced.)


you are so right...i (unfortunatly) have a single 1.8 G5 but i have only slowed this thing down in FCP4 really as of now...(unless you are a freak) you can't experieriance a major slowdown on them...if you NEED a mac...buy one!

[jphoenix]

anonymous submission: "G5s are now comming up as D01 at compusa. for those that don't know what this means it is an internal code that is place on a product in the computer system to indicate a product is discontinued"

can anyone confirm?

arn

I work at CompUSA, but I'm off today so I can't confirm the D01 status. I can tell you that we haven't seen any single 1.6 machines in quite a while, we have also been out of dual 2s for about 2 weeks. As of yesterday we had about 7 or 8 dual 1.8s and those were the only machines we were getting regularly in deliveries.

[wrylachlan]

It just means taht Apple is trying to squeeze all the sales out the 2nd quarter as they can. It also means that they will probably release the new G5s on the 31 so all of the sales will be in 3rd quarter.
It probably has to do with SEC regulations in terms of giving guidance at their conference calls. At their last call they said that gross margin would stay stable this quarter. If they released products with different margins they could be sued by stockholders for giving false guidance.

I think this points to a price cut on the iMacs.

[aswitcher]

The 25th is that day that Small Dog is slated to get shipments of powermacs....

Curious...

UPDATES ON THE 23rd

The clues/red herrings and building suspense is killing me...

[srobert]

Here is a little graph I put together for you fellow speculators.

Thumbnail:

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Get the full resolution graph here:

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[Foxer]

Looking back at the previous couple rounds of PM updates, shouldn't we have some "solid" information about what to expect from Apple by this time - if the 3/23 date is accurate.

Did I miss this, or are we actually still flailing about in the dark?

[jihad the movie]

As I said in the other thread, I've got a Dual G5 + 17 monitor on order at the Apple UK website. When I ordered I was told 3 days to build. My order status was soon changed to 'on or before 19th March'.

Today (10 days from my order) I got an email from Apple saying that 'due to high demand we plan to ship your order on or before March 25th'.

So, new machines on the 23rd would make sense :)


I just ordered a Dual 1.8 CTO G5, and they too said 3 days, but mine is now "on or before March 29th".

[appleface]

will the next powermacs have 90nm or 130nm chips in them? does anybody know, or is it anybody's guess? did the g5 severs start shipping, yet?

[icebook]

Oops, posted this on the wrong thread before - UK Apple WebStore is down - possible updates coming???? Who knows but I'm excited rofl....

[klaus]

They will be 90 nm..otherwise we're all excited about just a modest speedbump..
and all the r&d into the 90nm would be showed to us within another 6 months..not gonna happen.

and the xserve's have reportedly start shipping to 'normal' customers, according to appleinsider.

[MacFan25]

It certainly is time for PowerMacs to be updated. Hopefully they'll come tomorrow.

Even though I'm happy with my iMac, I must resist the temptation to buy one when they do come out... :p

[Duff-Man]

Duff-Man says....I have no problem getting to the UK store - seems fine and nothing new of course. But there do seem to be a lot of signs from various places that an update is imminent...and my credit card is ready.....oh yeah.

[iriejedi]

Actually think about it - UPDATES PLUS the special - that will boost sales for the quarter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Assuming apple choses to recognize the revenue at the same time the order is placed.


I mean there has to be at least two or three of us that will order tomorrow if the updates are announced tomorrow (23rd)....one fore sure... me!





So it's also possible that Apple are mearly trying to beef up sales for this quarter and NOTHING is coming out anytime soon...damn :(

[eric67]

They will be 90 nm..otherwise we're all excited about just a modest speedbump..
and all the r&d into the 90nm would be showed to us within another 6 months..not gonna happen.

and the xserve's have reportedly start shipping to 'normal' customers, according to appleinsider.
before the PPC970, we wera all getting excited when Motorolla was providing G4 with 133MHz speed bump...
if we get G5 at 2.4, it will already be a major speed bumpr compare to Moto...
since Apple joined IBM I have the feeling that we are getting more and more demanding...this mgiht be due to the Moto's years of misery...

[AppleJustWorks]

Actually think about it - UPDATES PLUS the special - that will boost sales for the quarter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Assuming apple choses to recognize the revenue at the same time the order is placed.


I mean there has to be at least two or three of us that will order tomorrow if the updates are announced tomorrow (23rd)....one fore sure... me!


That makes two of us........Got my Dad's Work Number on Speed Dial.....Just in case it's released once I get home from school.......

[nightcap965]

I am not Steve Jobs's love child.

I know, I know - we both wear glasses. We both look great in black mock turtlenecks and Gap jeans. We both are charismatic. We both inpire fear and fawning admiration in others. But I am not Steve Jobs's love child.

How can I be so sure without DNA testing, you ask? It's really very simple. Whenever I kicked and screamed and begged and cried and held my breath until I turned blue, those related to me by the everlasting bonds of common kinship would eventually relent and give me the object of my desire. It might have taken days of pleading and whining, but they would always capitulate in the end.

Steve has not. Therefore we are not related. Quod erat demonstrandum.

-- Bill, still waiting for a Rev. B dual G5

P.S. I'm willing to consider adoption...

[clr900]

I will be purchasing my brand new PowerMac as soon as I get home if they are announced tomorrow. But I really hope they will be shipping within days because a 2 month wait would make me quite angry.

[MacVault]

When I go to www.apple.com I am getting only the following on my browser:

[an error occurred while processing this directive]

[richland]

When I go to www.apple.com I am getting only the following on my browser:

[an error occurred while processing this directive]


Works fine for me.

[page3]

and what if it's a paper release? And customers have to wait 2 more months till they see their rev B powermacs?

It's his workmachine, and he has to decide if it's worth to him, waiting 2 more months, working on his old "more slow" machine.

You got it in one...

I don't have the luxury of choosing to cancel the order or not. It has taken three months of careful negotiation and a two page written justification approved by two company Directors to get a Mac signed off for work. The choice is a Dual G5 PowerMac NOW, or the company standard from our preferred supplier - a Dell 2.66 P4. Which would you choose???

[AppleJustWorks]

Def. Go for the Mac!!!!!!@!!!!!

[Steven1621]

i am thinking PM and LCD updates on March 30 and PB updates on April 18

[Evan_11]

If anyone shops Amazon check out their G5 and Cinema Display section. All are marked "Lowest Price of the Season" and there is a instant $100 rebate when a monitor and g5 are purchased together. This is the surest sign that we'll see both G5s and the Display's updated within a week or so. The question is to what?

[Foxer]

If anyone shops Amazon check out their G5 and Cinema Display section. All are marked "Lowest Price of the Season" and there is a instant $100 rebate when a monitor and g5 are purchased together. This is the surest sign that we'll see both G5s and the Display's updated within a week or so. The question is to what?


$200 off if you buy the dual 2.0 and the 23-inch display. Also, the base price of each are reduced by about $100 each - all in all, a $400 savings. Not bad, but the whole point is that I'm waiting for the new ones!

[a17inchFuture]

Reason could be that Apple has stopped production of the G5, which means updates with new product numbers. This code is good news. It generally happens when updates are made, or replacements are made. It also likely means that Apple has started to produce the new G5s, which is also good becasue there won't be a long wait for delivery.


Arn knows what that means, he meant if anyone else had heard this to be true. Or at least that how I read it.

[Wonder Boy]

lets get this 2.4ghz update overwith so we can start the 3.0ghz rumors.

[invaLPsion]

lets get this 2.4ghz update overwith so we can start the 3.0ghz rumors.

Meh.

After I order my new Powermacs G5 RevB I will be taking a brief hiatus from MacRumors to play with it. Once I get it I don't think I will have to check MacRumors on the hour. :D

[clr900]

Meh.

After I order my new Powermacs G5 RevB I will be taking a brief hiatus from MacRumors to play with it. Once I get it I don't think I will have to check MacRumors on the hour. :D
Me too. After I recieve my shiny new PM I won't be back here for a long while, or at least until I'm ready to buy a laptop in a year or so. Hey maybe I'll stop by for some new ipod rumors. :)

[djbahdow01]

I too will probably not check macrumors for a little while as i will be playing with my new PM (once i recieve it). Maybe a little Unreal Tourny and a bunch of photoshop and Quark will feed my hunger, if not there is always playing around with iMovie and iPhoto once i get my library updated to the Mac and then i will have to bust out the iTunes folder and start blasting some tunes. All while possibly folding a new concept to me as i have been running a slow PIII laptop and have been maxing it out for the last few months with photoshop work.

[Downdivx]

I've got about four video editing projects that are being slowed down because I have to use my school's systems (which crawl and are inconvenient). A top of the line dual PM and a couple of gigs of ram should chew right through them.
W

[Downdivx]

WHOO HOOO! I'm no longer a newbie! :D

W

[jsw]

You got it in one...

I don't have the luxury of choosing to cancel the order or not. It has taken three months of careful negotiation and a two page written justification approved by two company Directors to get a Mac signed off for work. The choice is a Dual G5 PowerMac NOW, or the company standard from our preferred supplier - a Dell 2.66 P4. Which would you choose???

That's a no-brainer. Whatever they announce, it won't be that much faster than what you're getting.

[john123]

before the PPC970, we wera all getting excited when Motorolla was providing G4 with 133MHz speed bump...
if we get G5 at 2.4, it will already be a major speed bumpr compare to Moto...
since Apple joined IBM I have the feeling that we are getting more and more demanding...this mgiht be due to the Moto's years of misery...

Careful with your logic. The critical measure of any speed bump is not the Mhz but rather the PERCENTAGE INCREASE in speed.

Adding 133Mhz to a 667Mhz chip is a 20% boost.

And what do you know -- adding 400Mhz to a 2Ghz chip is also a 20% boost.

Just something to keep in mind...

[NicoMan]

I don't know if that means anything, but the refurb store is open (I've checked UK and France) exceptionally. You can find laptops and displays mostly. Normally the refurb is only open on wednesdays (at least in Europe) and at 10:00 GMT. Maybe it means that at that time tomorrow the store will be down... anyone care to comment?

[neon]

I don't know if that means anything, but the refurb store is open (I've checked UK and France) exceptionally. You can find laptops and displays mostly. Normally the refurb is only open on wednesdays (at least in Europe) and at 10:00 GMT. Maybe it means that at that time tomorrow the store will be down... anyone care to comment?
so it is... strange... the ibook is tempting. not tempting enough though!

[Zaty]

Perhaps Apple has changed their release day from Tuesday to Wednesday. The new iBooks G4 were released on a Wednesday as well. If we don't get anything new today, everyone (or almost everyone) would just wait for next Tuesday, so it would be a great suprise if new PMs and/or PBs were launched tomorrow.

[h_harker]

Perhaps Apple has changed their release day from Tuesday to Wednesday. The new iBooks G4 were released on a Wednesday as well. If we don't get anything new today, everyone (or almost everyone) would just wait for next Tuesday, so it would be a great suprise if new PMs and/or PBs were launched tomorrow.

yes, £250 for a 30gb ipod oh thats tempting, and save £400 on the 'soon to be updated' 15" superdrive powerbook...what should i do!? wait...must wait...

[AppleJustWorks]

Where do you see a refurbished page??? I can't seem to find it! :confused:

[MattG]

Any minute now! :D

[NicoMan]

Where do you see a refurbished page??? I can't seem to find it! :confused:
At the bottom of the store... a big recycling sign (at least on European stores).

Funnily enough, today nothing has been bought, because normally everything goes in a heartbeat. I guess nobody expected it to be open today...

[NicoMan]

Any minute now! :D
Let's see how long you can hold your breath...

[djbahdow01]

Seems to me that basically every product is for sale at the apple refurb store. Don't know if it means anything but i haven't seen the G5s all together like that at all. Hopefully today is the day that my bank account drops a few thousand dollars with a new G5 and 20" matching display.

[djbahdow01]

Let's see how long you can hold your breath...

Im not holding otherwise i would have passed out a couple of months ago
BTW nice avitar.

[MattG]

Let's see how long you can hold your breath...Eh...I'm not holding my breath. Just always fun to get caught up in the excitement :) I'm not even ready to buy anything--I just like seeing new stuff come out!

[Zaty]

At the bottom of the store... a big recycling sign (at least on European stores).


This seems not to be the case on all European stores as I just checked the Swiss store and there is no recycling sign and therefore nor refurb page.

[Tomaz]

I've never seen the recycling button on the Swiss Apple page...

PLEEEASE announce new PBs today (G4, G5, whatever)

[MattG]

This seems not to be the case on all European stores as I just checked the Swiss store and there is no recycling sign and therefore nor refurb page.On the US store it's not a recycling sign...Instead it's a graphic that looks like a price-tag and says "Save" on it.

[NicoMan]

This seems not to be the case on all European stores as I just checked the Swiss store and there is no recycling sign and therefore nor refurb page.
I'm dumbfounded. How come there is one on the french and the british stores and none on the swiss?

[Zaty]

I've never seen the recycling button on the Swiss Apple page...

PLEEEASE announce new PBs today (G4, G5, whatever)
Neither have I. Probably, Apple Switzerland is too small to offer refurbs. But I have seen Apple refurbs at certain resellers.

[NicoMan]

Neither have I. Probably, Apple Switzerland is too small to offer refurbs.
That makes sense.

[Tomaz]

The Swiss store does have that "SAVE" button, but nothing spectacular in there: free ipod engravings, memory upgrade, and cheaper software.
Nothing that could be a hint on new releases...well, just a few more hours to wait!

[MattG]

The Swiss store does have that "SAVE" button, but nothing spectacular in there: free ipod engravings, memory upgrade, and cheaper software.
Nothing that could be a hint on new releases...well, just a few more hours to wait!That's where the refurbs would be...the US store has a TON of stuff in there. Refurbed iMacs, G5's, Powerbooks (both Ti and Al), iBooks, iPods, you name it!

[NicoMan]

The Swiss store does have that "SAVE" button, but nothing spectacular in there: free ipod engravings, memory upgrade, and cheaper software.
Nothing that could be a hint on new releases...well, just a few more hours to wait!
I don't think it's going to happen today... sniff!

[dbauer]

I noticed today that the refurb pricing on the G5 1.8 single is now $1599 (was $1699 the last time I saw one listed in there). Hmmmmm.........

[RichP]

Strange how the major ad banner on the apple main page is for the G5..I think once cupertino wakes up today we may be in for something.

[Zaty]

I just had a look at what is being offered on the British and German refurb stores. As has been mentioned before, those store are open on Wednesdays only. Interestingly, they offer refurbished iBook, PowerBooks, iPods and displays. Could this mean that we'll see new iBooks, new PowerBooks and displays tomorrow? There must be a reason why the refurb store is open today, right?

[Zaty]

Strange how the major ad banner on the apple main page is for the G5..I think once cupertino wakes up today we may be in for something.

That banner has been there for a few days already.

[neon]

I just had a look at what is being offered on the British and German refurb stores. As has been mentioned before, those store are open on Wednesdays only. Interestingly, they offer refurbished iBook, PowerBooks, iPods and displays. Could this mean that we'll see new iBooks, new PowerBooks and displays tomorrow? There must be a reason why the refurb store is open today, right?
there HAS to be a reason - and why is all the stuff still there?

and why a week before i'm paid? :p

[hansen]

That banner has been there for a few days already.

On the Danish Shop there is a banner reading "iPod Free Custom Laser Engraving - LAST DAYS"

Offer ends March 27th. Same goes for savings on memory in US shop...

No refurb though

[NicoMan]

I just had a look at what is being offered on the British and German refurb stores. As has been mentioned before, those store are open on Wednesdays only. Interestingly, they offer refurbished iBook, PowerBooks, iPods and displays. Could this mean that we'll see new iBooks, new PowerBooks and displays tomorrow? There must be a reason why the refurb store is open today, right?
That's been my train of thought, too.

[klaus]

something to think about:

We now know that the refurb stores in europe are open, when normally they aren't. So they want people to buy some more refurbs. That's no assumption, that's the way it works, that whole refurbs deal thing.

But why would they open the refurbs stores only a couple of hours before they launch new hardware today? I would do that a week in advance, so people have more time to find out about the refurbs... So my thoughts are more shifting to next tuesday.. no matter how hard I wanted it to be today..


but I may still be wrong, i'm no magician

[the_mole1314]

You can pick up a 1.6ghz G5 on the referb store in the US for, get this, $1,399. WOW. That's cheap. You can even pick up a $800 eMac.

[Zaty]

something to think about:

We now know that the refurb stores in europe are open, when normally they aren't. So they want people to buy some more refurbs. That's no assumption, that's the way it works, that whole refurbs deal thing.

But why would they open the refurbs stores only a couple of hours before they launch new hardware today? I would do that a week in advance, so people have more time to find out about the refurbs... So my thoughts are more shifting to next tuesday.. no matter how hard I wanted it to be today..


but I may still be wrong, i'm no magician

I can see your point, but why would they open the stores today instead of tomorrow if updates happen next Tuesday?

[NicoMan]

something to think about:
But why would they open the refurbs stores only a couple of hours before they launch new hardware today?
Exactly!!
I would do that a week in advance, so people have more time to find out about the refurbs... I don't think they have that much to sell on refurb. The Apple Store doesn't carry big inventories. The resellers do.

[klaus]

Did anybody notice we ask each other more questions than we can answer :D

I know one person that knows it all..let's go wake him..shall we?

[Zaty]

9 am on the East Coast, 6 am in Cupertion, US store sill up. Nothing today, I fear. Perhaps new PBs tomorrow and new PM next Tuesday.

[neonart]

You know inventories of PM's at Ingram and others are low, but here is the main factor that I see: My inventory of PM G5's has been at 0 for WAY too long.
Clearly this is an indication that Rev. B's need to be release to increase inventory of G5's on my desk.

:D

LOL

I need a G5. For Halo. :p

[neonart]

9 am on the East Coast, 6 am in Cupertion, US store sill up. Nothing today, I fear. Perhaps new PBs tomorrow and new PM next Tuesday.


Not untill 9am AST. (Apple Standard Time) (Same as West coast)

[eric67]

9 am on the East Coast, 6 am in Cupertion, US store sill up. Nothing today, I fear. Perhaps new PBs tomorrow and new PM next Tuesday.
in Europe it is 15h03, and Apple store are still up and will remain, BUT, the refurb store whish is normally open only on Wednesday, exceptionally is opened today Tuesday...
WHY??
because it is usually opened from 11h00 till midnight...
and if new products have to be introduced tomorrow, then of course the refurb store should be also closed....do you see what I mean...
new products tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!

[RichP]

That banner has been there for a few days already.

haha! pretend I never said that then! :D

[EggyToast]

Well something's definitely up. This weekend, the refurb store in the US was practically empty, except for some freshly added "G4 Powerbook" updates (the entire line with some extras to boot) on friday.

Now, practically the entire Apple line is available in refurb form, and for MUCH cheaper. With an education discount I can get a dual G5 1.8 standard for $2k.

Who cares about updates with prices this low? ;D

[CmdrLaForge]

because it is usually opened from 11h00 till midnight...
and if new products have to be introduced tomorrow, then of course the refurb store should be also closed....do you see what I mean...
new products tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't see that coming. I guess the updates come next tuesday 30th.

[jsw]

I think that all the resellers read MacRumors and have started to panic, thinking that new G5's are just around the corner. The March 27th deadline has just fueled the panic. So this is all self-perpetuating.

In reality, MS just bought Apple and they're trying to get rid of all the extra stock before OS X is used only to run Xbox 2.

[NicoMan]

Who cares about updates with prices this low? ;D
That's a fair point. There comes a time when it's the price point that matters. With those refurb stocks, we are (very) close.

[jsw]

Well something's definitely up. This weekend, the refurb store in the US was practically empty, except for some freshly added "G4 Powerbook" updates (the entire line with some extras to boot) on friday.

Now, practically the entire Apple line is available in refurb form, and for MUCH cheaper. With an education discount I can get a dual G5 1.8 standard for $2k.

Who cares about updates with prices this low? ;D

That's because we're all frantically selling our old, antiquidated 6-month-old G5's to get one of the new ones! :)

Seriously, though, it doesn't mean new ones are coming - it means people think new ones are coming. They might be right, who knows?

[neon]

Sigh. I guess I should get back to work then. :(

[the_mole1314]

Well, every time what had updates the store would be open by 9am EST. Its past without update. I'll wait till tomorrow, if not, then I'll wait till next week.

BTW, lots of cool referbs are still up on the site. You can get a G4 iBook for $1000. :)

[jsw]

That's a fair point. There comes a time when it's the price point that matters. With those refurb stocks, we are (very) close.

And, of course, those dual-1.8's are still going to be competitive with whatever is announced. I know everyone is waiting for the rev B's and their improvements, but I gotta tell you, the current G5's kick some decent a__ as it is now. I love mine.

PS Anyone want to buy it cheap? ;)

[Mac-Xpert]

I don't think it's gonna happen today. The apple site still promotes the current G5 models. It seems unlikely to me that they would still be promoting the old machines on the same day they gonna introduce the new ones. I think before we will see the Rev B's the apple site will first promote something different for at least a few days before the introduction and promotion of the new machines.

[Namacste]

We should find out by noon whether today is the day.

Anybody else notice that there weren't any rumors concerning Apple Store inventory, i.e. Apple Store employees were asked to stick around after closing for a "meeting" or to account for "inventory"?

[Mr Maui]

I don't think it's gonna happen today. The apple site still promotes the current G5 models. It seems unlikely to me that they would still be promoting the old machines on the same day they gonna introduce the new ones. I think before we will see the Rev B's the apple site will first promote something different for at least a few days before the introduction and promotion of the new machines.


Have to disagree with ya there. You promote what you have until it changes OFFICIALLY. The minute you stop promoting or advertising your product (especially when it comes to Apple), people stop buying, anticipating the next big thing, and sales fall. Just an opinion.

[Zaty]

I don't see that coming. I guess the updates come next tuesday 30th.

It's not that unlikely. Like I said before, iBooks G4 were released on a Wednesday (October 22). So there is no reason why Apple wouldn't do it again. My guess is new PBs tomorrow, PMs next Tuesday.

BTW, the memory deal does not apply to PBs. So no problem there!

[Sped]

Have to disagree with ya there. You promote what you have until it changes OFFICIALLY. The minute you stop promoting or advertising your product (especially when it comes to Apple), people stop buying, anticipating the next big thing, and sales fall. Just an opinion.

You guys need to pay attention to the site. The ad on the home page describes the G5 in a generic sense. It doesn't say anything about rev A, 2.0Ghz, etc. This ad could just as easily describe a 1.6 Ghz machine as a 3.0 Ghz one.

[jsw]

Have to disagree with ya there. You promote what you have until it changes OFFICIALLY. The minute you stop promoting or advertising your product (especially when it comes to Apple), people stop buying, anticipating the next big thing, and sales fall. Just an opinion.

Which is why one of Mr. Jobs' few bonehead moves was to pre-announce 3 GHz G5's months before the 2 GHz models even shipped.

[Tomaz]

New PBs tomorrow.....how amazing that would be !!!
But I somehow think they will first update PMs und then PBs, so maybe next week new PMs and early April new PBs?!

[jsw]

That's a fair point. There comes a time when it's the price point that matters. With those refurb stocks, we are (very) close.

Excellent point! Most of those sytems are only a few months old, and they're still quite good. If enough panic-sellers bring the refurb prices down low enough, you'll be able to get a much better deal on a 4-month-old G5 than on a 10% faster new one.

Sort of like what happened when all the car makers offered 0% financing here in the states - very good used cars became very cheap because there were so many of them.

[numediaman]

Which is why one of Mr. Jobs' few bonehead moves was to pre-announce 3 GHz G5's months before the 2 GHz models even shipped.

I completely agree. That announcement built up a lot of expectation that Apple could compete in the hardware field again -- that maybe working with IBM would change things.

I guarantee you that whatever is announced in the next few weeks, there will be a lot of disappointed people who thought something "better", whatever that is, would be coming. The only way Apple could blow us away would be to announce 3.0GHz G5s in the next few weeks -- and that ain't gonna happen folks.

[Mr Maui]

New PBs tomorrow.....how amazing that would be !!!
But I somehow think they will first update PMs und then PBs, so maybe next week new PMs and early April new PBs?!

Never fret ... I personally guarantee new Powerbooks in 2004.

... maybe ... :D

[CmdrLaForge]

My guess is new PBs tomorrow, PMs next Tuesday.

BTW, the memory deal does not apply to PBs. So no problem there!

Well, lets hope. I haven't read a lot of rumors concerning PBs. If we see new ones tomorrow and they will still have the G4, right ? And that could mean another 6 month for G5PB to arrive.

[EggyToast]

And, of course, those dual-1.8's are still going to be competitive with whatever is announced. I know everyone is waiting for the rev B's and their improvements, but I gotta tell you, the current G5's kick some decent a__ as it is now. I love mine.


Exactly. There's no idea what the update is going to be, when that line's going to ship, or what the price point is going to be. If it's a straight-up replacement, then a dual 1.8 for $500 less than, say, a dual 2.2 is a significant savings without a lot of noticeable increase. Any dual G5 is going to feel snappier with OS and program updates rather than simply upping the chip a few notches.

I'd say if you're waiting for a mac but don't really need the extra power, those refurbs are the way to go. I'm eyeballing them myself (and my wallet would thank me ;D )

edited to add: and we got the new products already -- the new Xserves.

[jsw]

The only way Apple could blow us away would be to announce 3.0GHz G5s in the next few weeks -- and that ain't gonna happen folks.

Sadly, the only way they could blow us away truly would be to announce something better than what they've already announced - i.e., over 3GHz. It's sad that even a 3GHz announcement would simply meet the current expectations of half of the members here ("when's the 3Ghz coming out?").

Of course, that said, even a 2.4+GHz announcement would be nice. But I'd rather they announce something you can buy relatively soon than, as they seem to be doing a lot of lately, announce something, then ship it months later. Who cares if they announce a dual 2.4 if you can't get it until June? It'll just make people who have to buy now upset and people who don't have to buy now sad that they have to wait another season.

[Mr Maui]

Sadly, the only way they could blow us away truly would be to announce something better than what they've already announced - i.e., over 3GHz. It's sad that even a 3GHz announcement would simply meet the current expectations of half of the members here ("when's the 3Ghz coming out?").


Apple is great for "announcing" things. Shipping them is another story altogether.

However, that being said, may Apple and the Mac live forever. :p

[numediaman]

It's after 10 EST -- pretty anti-climatic, isn't it? Another Tuesday and no new product announcements. is it possible Mac will announce an end to new product announcements? (unless they are iPods, of course)

[Zaty]

Well, lets hope. I haven't read a lot of rumors concerning PBs. If we see new ones tomorrow and they will still have the G4, right ? And that could mean another 6 month for G5PB to arrive.

If Apple does release new PBs tomorrow or within the next 3-4, they will (most likely) have G4s. You' re right about non-existent PB rumors but they're definitely in for an update any time soon.

[Zaty]

Time to move on, I don't think Apple would wait until 9am PST.

[jsw]

Time to move on, I don't think Apple would wait until 9am PST.

True. They don't need the stores there to be open in order to announce that they're not shipping the new products until June. :)

[jsw]

Apple is great for "announcing" things. Shipping them is another story altogether.

However, that being said, may Apple and the Mac live forever. :p

On the bright side, perhaps they're trying to announce closer to the actual ship date, hence the delayed announcement which will just allow people to get their newly-announced systems shortly after they're announced, instead of spending another three months waiting, and then wondering what's going to be announced a week after they buy.

Or maybe the new products are so delayed that even Apple feels bad about announcing them this early.

[Mr Maui]

Time to move on, I don't think Apple would wait until 9am PST.

Didn't really want a new G5 anyway. Was just "pretending" that I cared. LOL

[srobert]

I long for that *oomph* factor I get once in a while when Steve shows us a new or updated product.

I remember gasping when he announced: the cube, the new flat pannel iMac, the iPod, the original Powerbook and the G5 (although I was'nt thrilled by the grating)

Steve! Make me gasp! Where is the *oomph!*

edit: Added the iPod, forgot about that one. I was giggling like a schoolgirl when it was announced. I believed it it from the start.

[digital1]

I suppose there is always a MacWorld... :p ;)

[Mr Maui]

I suppose there is always a MacWorld... :p ;)

Isn't MacWorld designed as an "announcements-only" forum? Products almost always seem to ship months after their announcements there, with the possible exception of a few software products. :confused:

[jsw]

Isn't MacWorld designed as an "announcements-only" forum? Products almost always seem to ship months after their announcements there, with the possible exception of a few software products. :confused:

Oh, come on. At the last one in January, don't forget that they announced the dual-2Ghz Xserves which, oh, um, never mind...

But at least the big star of the show was the mini, which shipped just a few months after..oh, yeah, guess you were right there, too...

But, really, you're forgetting last June, where they announced the 3GHz PowerMacs which will..start...shipping...um, yeah, I guess you're totally right.

[digital1]

LOL LOL :p You do have a point there. And with Apple, we are always forced to wait, and wait, and wait some more.... It's hard to gauge the rumors sometimes, but I usually try to keep a balanced view of them. But like I said Macworld there is high chance of an announcement for some new Apple goodness even if we do have to wait 3months to a year for it to come out! LOL :D :)

[Mr Maui]

Oh, come on. ...

But at least ...

But, really, you're forgetting ...

um, yeah, I guess you're totally right.

Me loves being totally right (even when I'm totally wrong ... LOL)

[Mr Maui]

I think I've just discovered how easy it is to burn up a full morning. :D

[jsw]

I think I've just discovered how easy it is to burn up a full morning. :D

Yeah...and then there's the 30th, a whole week away, and all that time to fill, wondering if it'll be that day, what'll be announced, when it will ship, etc.

:)

[Mr Maui]

8:47 Cupertino time and the store is still up. Guess the 23rd has officially come and gone with the solid announcement of single 2Ghz XServes shipping NOW. Yeah Baby!!

[Mr Maui]

Yeah...and then there's the 30th, a whole week away, and all that time to fill, wondering if it'll be that day, what'll be announced, when it will ship, etc.

:)


Guess I have seven more days to climb towards "regular" status. LOL

[Zaty]

8:47 Cupertino time and the store is still up. Guess the 23rd has officially come and gone with the solid announcement of single 2Ghz XServes shipping NOW. Yeah Baby!!

Yeah, but look at it from the bright site, we're yet another day closer to that wonderful date sometime in the distant future when someone at Apple rembers: "Wait once upon time there was a company that was famous for building cool computers. What happend to them, ah I guess that was us before we decided to go into the MP3 player business..." :D

[Mr Maui]

Yea, but look at it from the bright site, we're yet another day closer to that wonderful date sometime in the distant future when Apple rembers they should announce a new PM or PB :D

Distant ... now there's realism for you!! :p

[grouse]

Have the photolibrary corbis slipped up.

On their home page they are advertising this...

corbis (http://www.corbis.com)

"Apple G5's are almost here!"

http://pro.corbis.com/images/en-US/promo_512.jpg

They are giving away I'm working out from the price, a top of the range PM G5 plus 23" monitor (price = $4,999) every weekday in April. So whether the almost here means the old ones are almost with us, or the new ones are available in ten days, I don't know, but it's worth entering anyway.

[Zaty]

It’s 9 am in Cupertino. So even the biggest optimist has to agree that we won’t see any update today. Time to draw the curtain. Would someone please start a “PM Updates on March 30” thread?

[Mac-Xpert]

You guys need to pay attention to the site. The ad on the home page describes the G5 in a generic sense. It doesn't say anything about rev A, 2.0Ghz, etc. This ad could just as easily describe a 1.6 Ghz machine as a 3.0 Ghz one.Well it does say this:

[jsw]

Guess I have seven more days to climb towards "regular" status. LOL

Yeah, man, that 0.1 posts per day average sucks. If we just banter a bit more about the IIci, you could be "regular" soon (ah, sounds like a laxative commercial).

[zaphod1242]

Reason could be that Apple has stopped production of the G5, which means updates with new product numbers. This code is good news. It generally happens when updates are made, or replacements are made. It also likely means that Apple has started to produce the new G5s, which is also good becasue there won't be a long wait for delivery.


DO1 means one of two things, either Apple doesn't have enough to ship Comp for a while (unlikely in this event), or production has stopped. The problem is that they usually wait a month er so to flush out the system of old product. That would not be fun.

[aswitcher]

Have the photolibrary corbis slipped up.

On their home page they are advertising this...

corbis (http://www.corbis.com)

"Apple G5's are almost here!"

They are giving away I'm working out from the price, a top of the range PM G5 plus 23" monitor (price = $4,999) every weekday in April. So whether the almost here means the old ones are almost with us, or the new ones are available in ten days, I don't know, but it's worth entering anyway.

It does seem interesting of we assume the new monitors are out by then.

[Xacttech]

Aren't they just saying...

"our" G5s are almost here? as in, it's almost April, which is when our apple a day give away begins.

"The G5s are almost here"

:)

[jsw]

Aren't they just saying...

"our" G5s are almost here? as in, it's almost April, which is when our apple a day give away begins.

"The G5s are almost here"

:)

Actually, they ordered a bunch of dual-2's last July. They just got shipping confirmation a few days ago. :)

[grouse]

Aren't they just saying...

"our" G5s are almost here? as in, it's almost April, which is when our apple a day give away begins.

"The G5s are almost here"

:)

It seems an odd time to be giving out, what should be, at least during April, old machines and old monitors. Unless they've been given them at a special rate by Apple to help clear stock?

[Zaty]

Something just struck me: Remember the MWSF 04 keynote; Steve Jobs said something like 2004 would be an amazing year and Apple would release amazing new things throughout the year. The first quarter of 2004 is almost over and we haven't seen anything spectacular so far. What's going on? Did Apple plan that nothing would happen between MWSF and at least end of March or did something happen that made them change their plans? (of course 10.3.3. and iPhoto 4.0.1 are great, but that can't be it, can it?)

[xylafon]

Well it does say this:

god, that is just the stupidest quote ever. I can't believe it is on Apple's front page. Every time I see it, it bugs the hell out of me.

"It's the fastest Mac I've ever used in my entire life."

I would certainly hope so! As opposed to what? A G4? A G3? If the quote said "It's the fastest computer I've ever..." then it would mean something.

"It's the fastest Mac Plus I've ever used in my entire life!"
"It's the fastest Apple II I've ever used in my entire life!!!"

[jsw]

god, that is just the stupidest quote ever. I can't believe it is on Apple's front page. Every time I see it, it bugs the hell out of me.

"It's the fastest Mac I've ever used in my entire life."

I would certainly hope so! As opposed to what? A G4? A G3? If the quote said "It's the fastest computer I've ever..." then it would mean something.

"It's the fastest Mac Plus I've ever used in my entire life!"
"It's the fastest Apple II I've ever used in my entire life!!!"

No kidding. My 20" monitor is "the biggest Apple monitor I've used in my entire life!" Of course, I've got a 24" Sun monitor I've been using for 4 years, but....

[Xnet]

Something just struck me: Remember the MWSF 04 keynote; Steve Jobs said something like 2004 would be an amazing year and Apple would release amazing new things throughout the year. The first quarter of 2004 is almost over and we haven't seen anything spectacular so far. What's going on? Did Apple plan that nothing would happen between MWSF and at least end of March or did something happen that made them change their plans? (of course 10.3.3. and iPhoto 4.0.1 are great, but that can't be it, can it?)

I hope something amazing refers to a price drop! Or some serious updates!
As it is Apple's computers are waaaay to expensive compared to PCs.

look at these prices
$2,968 <- (with 20 inch LCD)
Dell Dimension XPS
Pentium® 4 Processor with HT Technology 3.4GHz w/800MHz FSB
Microsoft® Windows® XP Professional
FREE UPGRADE 1GB Dual Channel 400MHz DDR SDRAM
Dell® Enhanced Multimedia Keyboard
Dell™ Optical USB Mouse
Productivity Pack including WordPerfect® and Money®
Norton Internet Security™, 90 day trial
NEW 240G RAID 0 (2 x 120GB SATA HDDs)
3.5 in Floppy Drive
FREE! Single Drive: 8x DVD+RW Drive
SAVE! 20.1 in 2001FP Dell Ultrasharp™ Digital Flat Panel Display
128MB DDR ATI RADEON™ 9800 Pro Graphics Card with TV-Out and DVI
Sound Blaster Audigy™2 (D) Card w/Dolby 5.1, and IEEE 1394 capability
Dell Jukebox powered by MUSICMATCH
Dell Picture Studio, Paint Shop Pro Trial, Photo Album Starter Edition
56K PCI Telephony Modem
Integrated Intel® PRO 1000 Ethernet

$4,873
Apple G5
Dual 2 GHz Processors
1GB RAM @ 400 MHz
250 GB SATA Drive @ 7200 RPM
Apple Superdrive
128MB DDR ATI RADEON 9800 Pro Graphics Card
20" Apple Cinema Digital Flat Panel Display
56K Modem
Gigabit Ethernet
Airport Ready

Thats a price difference that will make most look over the Mac as an option.

[numediaman]

Something just struck me: Remember the MWSF 04 keynote; Steve Jobs said something like 2004 would be an amazing year and Apple would release amazing new things throughout the year. The first quarter of 2004 is almost over and we haven't seen anything spectacular so far. What's going on? Did Apple plan that nothing would happen between MWSF and at least end of March or did something happen that made them change their plans? (of course 10.3.3. and iPhoto 4.0.1 are great, but that can't be it, can it?)

My God, you got iPhoto 4.0.1 -- what more could you want? A TextEdit update? ;)

[Zaty]

My God, you got iPhoto 4.0.1 -- what more could you want? A TextEdit update? ;)

Yeah, TextEdit 2.0 would be nice ;)

[jsw]

I hope something amazing refers to a price drop! Or some serious updates!
As it is Apple's computers are waaaay to expensive compared to PCs.

look at these prices
$2,968 <- (with 20 inch LCD)
Dell Dimension XPS
...
NEW 240G RAID 0 (2 x 120GB SATA HDDs)
...

$4,873
Apple G5
...
250 GB SATA Drive @ 7200 RPM
...

Thats a price difference that will make most look over the Mac as an option.

Clearly, you missed the fact that you get an extra 10 GB with the G5.
Plus, you get enough aluminum to recycle the G5, eventually, as a small car.

[Mr Maui]

Yeah, man, that 0.1 posts per day average sucks. If we just banter a bit more about the IIci, you could be "regular" soon (ah, sounds like a laxative commercial).

let's see ... 32 posts in 21 months ...

then 30 more posts in three hours today ...

geez, I must have been bored ...

LOL

plus ... it was .05 posts per day coming into today

[Fast Shadow]

Xnet, you're comparing a single CPU Dell vs. a dual CPU Mac?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Xnet]

Xnet, you're comparing a single CPU Dell vs. a dual CPU Mac?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Should I compare the single 1.8 GHz g5 then? It gets spanked by the 3.4 GHz P4 and is still $1200 more for the same config.

Seriously what do I say to a PC user that brings this up to me?
$1200 is a lot of money.

Apple needs to do something about its price / performance.

[srobert]

Seriously what do I say to a PC user that brings this up to me?
$1200 is a lot of money.

You simply answer: "Enjoy your Windows. I know I'll be enjoying my OS X."

[Xnet]

You simply answer: "Enjoy your Windows. I know I'll be enjoying my OS X."

I think they would just laugh at me... but whatever

Such a price difference is certainly not winning over any new customers thats for sure and with Apple's current market share I'm not sure they can afford that.

[numediaman]

OK all you Macrumor experts out there, I have a question. Let's assume, for a moment, that Apple does not release G5 updates on the 30th. My question, how often does a quarter go by where there isn't any consumer computer introductions?

I found it amazing that Apple would let the 20th Anniversary of the Mac go by without an exciting new product. Now they are only one week away from letting an entire quarter slip. Maybe the big announcement will be that Apple will drop all production of hardware and outsource it to Dell?

(I'm still betting on the 30th -- but I am not as confident as I was back in late January.)

[srobert]

I think they would just laugh at me... but whatever

Such a price difference is certainly not winning over any new customers thats for sure and with Apple's current market share I'm not sure they can afford that.

Then maybe the Mac is not for them, and that's OK. I also think that macs are slightly overpriced but then again, I have no background in sales and marketing. I am willing to pay the Apple premium to get the Apple experience. Are you? Are they? To make an enlightened decision, they should try playing on a mac for a few hours/day. And what kinds of friends would laugh at you for having a different opinion. :confused: :D

[Mr Maui]

Actually, they ordered a bunch of dual-2's last July. They just got shipping confirmation a few days ago. :)

This seems like the most likely reason to say they are "almost here." :D

[jsw]

Should I compare the single 1.8 GHz g5 then? It gets spanked by the 3.4 GHz P4 and is still $1200 more for the same config.

Seriously what do I say to a PC user that brings this up to me?
$1200 is a lot of money.

Apple needs to do something about its price / performance.

Hardware only, true. But..and I know this is overused...you get more and better software - in particular the OS - with a Mac. If you're just into gaming, the PC's a better deal. You get the same basic parts in a Dodge Neon R/T that you do in an Infiniti I35. It's probably even faster and costs half as much. But...the Infiniti is better. Better look and feel. Better drive. But, all in all, the same parts. I'm sure there are better car analogies. Camaro/Boxer? Mitsu Evo/350Z? Whatever...

Compare a Mac to a PC and you get the same thing. The magic of the Mac is in the way it all works together - and in the Unix core, which is excellent if you're even remotely into that stuff. People love their Macs. People use their PCs to run their PC programs. Few people love Windows - it's a means to an end. Lots of people love Mac OS.

But, pound for pound, PCs are cheaper, yes.

[Downdivx]

After reading the Apple Press Release about the Xserve G5s just shipping, I'm pretty sure that we're not going to see new PMs shipping any time soon.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/mar/23xserve.html

"Single processor 2.0 GHz Xserve G5 servers are available immediately through the Apple Store® (www.apple.com) and Apple Authorized Resellers. The dual processor 2.0 GHz and cluster-optimized dual 2.0 GHz Xserve G5 servers will be available in April through the Apple Store..."

If apple can't provide Dual 2.0 GHz at 90nm, I don't expect them to be able to ship faster G5s any time soon. I guess its possible that they will announce PM 2+GHz at 130nm, but I thought that all of the rumors were pointing to a 90nm process.

I'm afraid I'm leaning towards the next Powermac update being this summer at 3.0GHz.

W

[jsw]

let's see ... 32 posts in 21 months ...

then 30 more posts in three hours today ...

geez, I must have been bored ...

LOL

plus ... it was .05 posts per day coming into today

At that rate, you'll have an Avatar by the time the new G5's are out!

[tsk]

You simply answer: "Enjoy your Windows. I know I'll be enjoying my OS X."

What about Linux? The point is the price difference is enough to sway people away from the Mac. Honestly, for over $1k you have to be a zealot to go for the Mac.

There's another grad student here who has a $2k budget from her advisor to buy a system. It's pretty damn tough to get a $2k Mac for that (it needs to be able to do some work so the i/eMac is out). For that money we can build a cutting edge (64 bit AMD) PC with lots of RAM and a nice LCD flat panel or we can buy the bottom of the barrel PM G5 and try to find a cheapo 17" monitor and not enough RAM. And in neither case will we be running Windows.

[klaus]

After reading the Apple Press Release about the Xserve G5s just shipping, I'm pretty sure that we're not going to see new PMs shipping any time soon.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/mar/23xserve.html

"Single processor 2.0 GHz Xserve G5 servers are available immediately through the Apple Store® (www.apple.com) and Apple Authorized Resellers. The dual processor 2.0 GHz and cluster-optimized dual 2.0 GHz Xserve G5 servers will be available in April through the Apple Store..."

If apple can't provide Dual 2.0 GHz at 90nm, I don't expect them to be able to ship faster G5s any time soon. I guess its possible that they will announce PM 2+GHz at 130nm, but I thought that all of the rumors were pointing to a 90nm process.

I'm afraid I'm leaning towards the next Powermac update being this summer at 3.0GHz.

W

Yes, I second that.

This is an official Press Release from Apple, so we can safely assume that the info is correct and not 'twisted'. A fact is that the single Xserve's ARE shipping, and in them are the new 970Fx processors. So it's safe to say the processor itself is fine, is ready. The processor is the same as in the dual Xserve's right? So that leaves 2 possible reasons for the dual delay.

1 : They don't have the quantity of processors received from ibm to assemble the duals and ship them to the customers.
2 : There are still heat-issues on the dual Xserve, but in this stage, would that be possible? That would be a real problem if that's the case, in this late stage of production. that could imply some modifications to the cooling system, and other internal parts of the dual. So this seems to me as NOT a possibility.

So the only reason is quantity imho.

And if this is true, than the updated PM's (with the same processor but at higher speeds?) will maybe be announced soon, but not shipping until the larger batch of customers received their dual Xserve G5.

That would leave us, potential rev B owners, with a timeframe of shipping PM's at least begin may..

As i read my post again..i think i'm going to cry :(

[Mr Maui]

At that rate, you'll have an Avatar by the time the new G5's are out!

How many posts are required for that?

[jsw]

How many posts are required for that?

500. That's a lot of posts.

[Mr Maui]

500. That's a lot of posts.

Guess I'll likely be Avatarless till the G8s are out and the cows come home.

[Mr Maui]

Not even sure I have that much to say!! But time will tell.

[Konsole]

Hi, im new here. I dont own a mac yet, but I am going to buy a 15" PowerBook soon (and I am very excited). I am a computer science student. I currently use PC's in a mixed windows, linux environment. I think the mac will play very nicely with the other machines. I plan on doing alot of development with it and hopefully some more multimedia things involving dvds.

I am sure most of you have seen/read about the new dual layer DVD burners that are coming out. I was wondering if anyone could make a guess as to when we could see a dual layer dvd burner in a PowerBook/SuperDrive. I am not looking for wild guesses, just for an educated guess based on knowedge of apple release cycles and hardware updates.

I most likely will not be waiting for the dual-layer dvdr's to buy my new powerbook, but I am considering waiting for the rumored 'updates' to come out.

Thanks.

[Xnet]

What about Linux? The point is the price difference is enough to sway people away from the Mac. Honestly, for over $1k you have to be a zealot to go for the Mac.

There's another grad student here who has a $2k budget from her advisor to buy a system. It's pretty damn tough to get a $2k Mac for that (it needs to be able to do some work so the i/eMac is out). For that money we can build a cutting edge (64 bit AMD) PC with lots of RAM and a nice LCD flat panel or we can buy the bottom of the barrel PM G5 and try to find a cheapo 17" monitor and not enough RAM. And in neither case will we be running Windows.

That is a huge problem - at this rate Linux could over-take the Mac as a viable platform for everyday use in a few years. Once Adobe, Macromedia and others, port their apps to Linux it'll be just about over for the Mac other than maybe high end video stuff.

If Apple wishes to remain competitive it needs to position-itself competitively in the marketplace.

[Mr Maui]

Hi, im new here.

Iowaa. Is that an indian tribe. Or perhaps an island in the Hawaiian chain. J/K :D Welcome, your newness!

[EggyToast]

That is a huge problem - at this rate Linux could over-take the Mac as a viable platform for everyday use in a few years. Once Adobe, Macromedia and others, port their apps to Linux it'll be just about over for the Mac other than maybe high end video stuff.

If Apple wishes to remain competitive it needs to position-itself competitively in the marketplace.

Of course. Once Linux has the style, usability, and interface design of OSX, and the gigantic support of hardware and games manufacturers, hell, it's game over.

of course, people have been saying that for years, and there's still fledgling USB support and non-existent firewire support in Linux. And people still have problems getting soundcards running...

[AppleJustWorks]

yes, I experienced Sound card problems when running linux also........Just thought I'd get it out there....... :D

[Xnet]

Of course. Once Linux has the style, usability, and interface design of OSX, and the gigantic support of hardware and games manufacturers, hell, it's game over.

of course, people have been saying that for years, and there's still fledgling USB support and non-existent firewire support in Linux. And people still have problems getting soundcards running...

Its only a matter of time....
It seems like Linux keeps gathering steam every year.
That is unless Apple can compete somehow, lower prices would be a good step in the right direction.

[jsw]

Iowaa. Is that an indian tribe. Or perhaps an island in the Hawaiian chain. J/K :D Welcome, your newness!

Don't knock us Iowans. I was born in Keokuk Iowa, which makes Ames ("One of the 20 best places in America to live and work by BestJobsUSA.com (2002)") look big. :)

Of course, now we know you're just trying to post your way to "regular" and then to having an Avatar...

[jsw]

Hi, im new here. I dont own a mac yet, but I am going to buy a 15" PowerBook soon (and I am very excited). I am a computer science student. I currently use PC's in a mixed windows, linux environment. I think the mac will play very nicely with the other machines. I plan on doing alot of development with it and hopefully some more multimedia things involving dvds.

I am sure most of you have seen/read about the new dual layer DVD burners that are coming out. I was wondering if anyone could make a guess as to when we could see a dual layer dvd burner in a PowerBook/SuperDrive. I am not looking for wild guesses, just for an educated guess based on knowedge of apple release cycles and hardware updates.

I most likely will not be waiting for the dual-layer dvdr's to buy my new powerbook, but I am considering waiting for the rumored 'updates' to come out.

Thanks.

I think it'll be a while until they get into a small enough form factor for the PB's. It's not a bad idea to wait for the next updates (if you can wait that long), but things like dual-layer slot-loading DVDs will take a while. Just my 2 cents.

[Mr Maui]

Don't knock us Iowans. I was born in Keokuk Iowa, which makes Ames ("One of the 20 best places in America to live and work by BestJobsUSA.com (2002)") look big. :)

Of course, now we know you're just trying to post your way to "regular" and then to having an Avatar...

Ouch!! If I were sensitive ... :D

[segundo]

You simply answer: "Enjoy your Windows. I know I'll be enjoying my OS X."

I really wish this was enough to offset the huge price differences. While I agree that there is some inherent value in the G5 hardware quality and experience over a stock HP or Dell system I also believe Apple must do something to be more price competitive. I personally have no desire to see marketshare slip down another percentage point . . . especially when the rest of the company (software, ipods, etcetera) seems to be hitting on all cylinders. I'm willing to pony up the dollars for superior hardware, but I have my own economics to consider.

Patiently waiting for updates . . .

[dbauer]

Yes, I second that.

This is an official Press Release from Apple, so we can safely assume that the info is correct and not 'twisted'. A fact is that the single Xserve's ARE shipping, and in them are the new 970Fx processors. So it's safe to say the processor itself is fine, is ready. The processor is the same as in the dual Xserve's right? So that leaves 2 possible reasons for the dual delay.

1 : They don't have the quantity of processors received from ibm to assemble the duals and ship them to the customers.
2 : There are still heat-issues on the dual Xserve, but in this stage, would that be possible? That would be a real problem if that's the case, in this late stage of production. that could imply some modifications to the cooling system, and other internal parts of the dual. So this seems to me as NOT a possibility.

So the only reason is quantity imho.

And if this is true, than the updated PM's (with the same processor but at higher speeds?) will maybe be announced soon, but not shipping until the larger batch of customers received their dual Xserve G5.

That would leave us, potential rev B owners, with a timeframe of shipping PM's at least begin may..

As i read my post again..i think i'm going to cry :(

I think you are close but you left out the systemboard issue. They may have the single processor board in quantity but not the dual.

If that is the case, it would have no bearing on desktop G5's because they use different system boards. I heard there was a problem with ATI that was holding up the new G5's.

[dbauer]

Hi, im new here. I dont own a mac yet, but I am going to buy a 15" PowerBook soon (and I am very excited). I am a computer science student. I currently use PC's in a mixed windows, linux environment. I think the mac will play very nicely with the other machines. I plan on doing alot of development with it and hopefully some more multimedia things involving dvds.

I am sure most of you have seen/read about the new dual layer DVD burners that are coming out. I was wondering if anyone could make a guess as to when we could see a dual layer dvd burner in a PowerBook/SuperDrive. I am not looking for wild guesses, just for an educated guess based on knowedge of apple release cycles and hardware updates.

I most likely will not be waiting for the dual-layer dvdr's to buy my new powerbook, but I am considering waiting for the rumored 'updates' to come out.

Thanks.

At the rate of current product cycles, the first powerbook with a dual layer superdrive will not be until early 2005. My question is, why wait? Get a powerbook now and start learning and enjoying OS X and when the 3rd party drive start showing up this summer, just pick one up and throw it in a firewire enclosure. It will be cheaper than a superdrive in a powerbook anyway and you can build up enough data in the meantime to fill up a 9.4gig dual DVD disk.

[tsk]

Of course. Once Linux has the style, usability, and interface design of OSX, and the gigantic support of hardware and games manufacturers, hell, it's game over.

of course, people have been saying that for years, and there's still fledgling USB support and non-existent firewire support in Linux. And people still have problems getting soundcards running...

Linux has really come a long way in a lot of these areas. For many people it's really a viable alternative to Windows. It really suits my needs personally. I think the area it's probably most lacking is in graphics area which is where a lot of people here need it. USB support is pretty well established. I've had no problems running anything (that's not to say it isn't there). In general soundcards work just fine. Yes there are some quirks, but it's largely the exception.

I'm personally a PC user and if it weren't for the fact that Macs are now running unix, I probably wouldn't be interested in owning one. And honestly, for the desktop price difference there is no way I can justify a Mac, but that's just me. (I'm in the market for a laptop and that I can justify.)

[Vashti]

Hey y'all. I've been about to buy a 15" powerbook for some time now (and I mean a loooong some time now). I keep waiting for these rumored updates or price drops. But my original blueberry ibook is coughing and gasping with a very full hard drive, and I don't want to wait too much longer. My needs are not sophisticated - surfing the web, word processing, simple spread sheets and database stuff, downloading music, and eventually basic photoshop. Why a powerbook? I'd like to buy more than I need in hopes that it will last me 5 years. And besides, they're very cool machines. So here's my question:

I want to get a BTO 15" - the 1.25 with a combodrive swapped for the superdrive and my 512 of RAM on one stick. If I order that tomorrow and new pb's come out &/or there's a price drop within two weeks, can I return it for the better or cheaper one - or am I stuck?

Also, any of you have a cannon 900 or 960 printer? If so, do you like it? Which is better?

I'm traveling a bunch in April and May. It would be fabulous to have my new computer with me, but should I hang in there and be patient?

What would you do in my position?

Thanks so much for your help! :confused:

[G5support.com]

The new G5s coming out are still going to have fans in them, but are suppose to run quieter than current models. Apple is still having problems with leaks in the liquid-cooled models I've heard. Liquid-cooled models are suppose to run silent. :) I sure miss my fanless old iMac DV 500. Silence is golden!

[kbonnel]

Hi Vashti,

I am in the same boat as you. I was planning on doing the same BTO as you, but I think financially it would make more sense to get a refub 15" 1.25. it will be 600 less, and if you spend 110 for a stick of crucial 512 you will have the exact setup, but roughly 500 less, and have the superdrive (which I don't really need since I have one in my peecee). I think this is what I will do. I plan on using mine in the same way, but I do want to run some games on it, mostly sim city, age of empires, etc...

Samuel L Bronkowitz :cool:

Hey y'all. I've been about to buy a 15" powerbook for some time now (and I mean a loooong some time now). I keep waiting for these rumored updates or price drops. But my original blueberry ibook is coughing and gasping with a very full hard drive, and I don't want to wait too much longer. My needs are not sophisticated - surfing the web, word processing, simple spread sheets and database stuff, downloading music, and eventually basic photoshop. Why a powerbook? I'd like to buy more than I need in hopes that it will last me 5 years. And besides, they're very cool machines. So here's my question:

I want to get a BTO 15" - the 1.25 with a combodrive swapped for the superdrive and my 512 of RAM on one stick. If I order that tomorrow and new pb's come out &/or there's a price drop within two weeks, can I return it for the better or cheaper one - or am I stuck?

Also, any of you have a cannon 900 or 960 printer? If so, do you like it? Which is better?

I'm traveling a bunch in April and May. It would be fabulous to have my new computer with me, but should I hang in there and be patient?

What would you do in my position?

Thanks so much for your help! :confused:
:cool:

[DavidM]

Vashti -

I, to am waiting for the 15" update. If you buy and the price drops because a new model is released within 10 days, Apple will refund the difference. I asked the same question at my local Apple Store on Saturday.

Oh, and I own the Canon i950 which is the model before the 960 and it's a great printer. it comes with 6 separate ink cartridges, so it's not too expensive to replace ink when just one color runs out.

[Vashti]

Thanks, you guys. Kbonnel, I thought about going for the refurb too. But I get the educational discount, which would make my set-up come to 2209, just 200 more than refurb. I thought maybe it was worth it to know that I was the first,no scratches or other problems. Part of me thinks if I'm spending $2000 for a new machine, it should be one that no one has used. Also, someone told me superdrive is definitely slower on burning cd's - something I think I'd do a fair amount of. Do you worry about refurb at all?

David, thanks for your tip too. Could I replace it with newer machine if it was an update or only get difference refunded?

Thanks, y'all. Pretty cool to have a place to come and ask your questions.

[Vashti]

Oh, and I own the Canon i950 which is the model before the 960 and it's a great printer. it comes with 6 separate ink cartridges, so it's not too expensive to replace ink when just one color runs out.[/QUOTE]



Hey David, I just thought of another question. I'm an actor and I need to print resumes on the back of 8 x 10 picures (like a light cardboard stock). Do you think your printer could do that?

Thanks!

[jsw]

Hey y'all. I've been about to buy a 15" powerbook for some time now (and I mean a loooong some time now). I keep waiting for these rumored updates or price drops. But my original blueberry ibook is coughing and gasping with a very full hard drive, and I don't want to wait too much longer. My needs are not sophisticated - surfing the web, word processing, simple spread sheets and database stuff, downloading music, and eventually basic photoshop. Why a powerbook? I'd like to buy more than I need in hopes that it will last me 5 years. And besides, they're very cool machines. So here's my question:

I want to get a BTO 15" - the 1.25 with a combodrive swapped for the superdrive and my 512 of RAM on one stick. If I order that tomorrow and new pb's come out &/or there's a price drop within two weeks, can I return it for the better or cheaper one - or am I stuck?

Also, any of you have a cannon 900 or 960 printer? If so, do you like it? Which is better?

I'm traveling a bunch in April and May. It would be fabulous to have my new computer with me, but should I hang in there and be patient?

What would you do in my position?

Thanks so much for your help! :confused:

Well, it's always a crapshoot when it comes to ordering a new laptop unless you buy one that started shipping that day. I'm especially concerned that you're looking for a laptop that will last you five years. That is a loooong time. My G3 Lombard PB, which is now roughly 4.5 years old, is wicked slow. It still works, it runs 10.3.3, etc., but it is nearly useless for anything except email, browsing, etc. I realize that's what you're planning on using yours for, so maybe it doesn't matter, but... 5 years is perhaps overly optimistic. Note that if you get a laptop now, it's effectively ~half a year old - they're really as old as their release date.

However, if you're really only going to use yours for what you say you're going to, it's OK to get one now. They're actually quite excellent. The only concern I had was due to your desire to keep it for so long. Yes, the G4 isn't as nice as the G5. But... nobody outside of Apple has a clue as to when there will be a G5 laptop, and, until then, it'll just be a matter of minor speed bumps. And the current crop, near the end of the line, is very well made with lots of nice features. Nice fit and finish, cool things like autobacklit keyboards, etc. It might be six months or more before you could hope to get a G5 laptop. Maybe more. So wait as long as you can, then just buy what's best for you at the time.

Computers will always, always, always be better and faster after you buy one. If you worry too much about that, you'll never get one. If you do buy one and an announcement is made, then, if your order hasn't shipped yet, you can cancel it. If it hasn't been opened yet (like you'll just sit there with it unopened...) then you can return it. If you've opened it, you get a month to return it for a 10% restocking fee, which is still not too bad. So, you're looking at maybe 4-6 weeks between the time you order and the time it becomes very expensive to ditch the laptop. Not too bad.

You will truly enjoy the configuration you've mentioned. If you were thinking of a 12" PB then I'd recommend the 12" iBook which, after the dual-monitor hack, lets you use, obviously, an external monitor and therefore is probably a better deal than the PB. But, the 15" has no real rival in the iBook line.

I own the Canon S900 and have used it for about a year and a half. I really like it. I have no idea if the 960 is a little better, a lot better, or about the same, but the S900 has been good to me. Your mileage may vary.

If I were you, I'd order the laptop. Wait to open it until after the 30th (it likely won't be there until after that anyway). Then have a blast with it unless something much better is announced and shipping. Best of luck!

[jsw]

Also, someone told me superdrive is definitely slower on burning cd's - something I think I'd do a fair amount of. Do you worry about refurb at all?

A friend bought a refurbished 15" and had no problems with it. Of course, if it's only a few hundred more, there's knowing that no one but you has used it, which is sort of nice. And that fact that she didn't have any scratches on hers doesn't mean you won't - and it doesn't mean you will. You just take your chances. I'm sure not all refurbs look the same.

As far as SuperDrive speeds - yeah, they're slower, but they're not slow. If it's too painful, you could always get an external Firewire or USB2 burner for a couple hundred or less. But, really, it isn't that bad unless you burn a LOT of CDs. And it's very nice to be able to backup onto DVDs.

[jsw]

Hey David, I just thought of another question. I'm an actor and I need to print resumes on the back of 8 x 10 picures (like a light cardboard stock). Do you think your printer could do that?

Thanks!

The S900 doesn't have a secondary feed in the back to let you insert stock horizontally - i.e., the printer "bends" it as it prints and there's no way to just print "flat" - so thicker stock won't work. However, photo paper works fine.

The S960 might do a better job....

[HTwidescreen]

Hey y'all. I've been about to buy a 15" powerbook for some time now (and I mean a loooong some time now).

I want to get a BTO 15" - the 1.25 with a combodrive swapped for the superdrive and my 512 of RAM on one stick. If I order that tomorrow and new pb's come out &/or there's a price drop within two weeks, can I return it for the better or cheaper one - or am I stuck?

Don't know if this has already been mentioned elswhere, but late this afternoon I called the UCLA campus store and found out that the PB 15" 1.25 is on a "SPECIAL PROMOTION" of $1,999.00 while supplies last. Also, the G5 1.8 Dual has the same "SPECIAL PROMO" of $1,999.00.

Don't know if I should read to much into it, but seems like it could be signaling "something"... - no?

HT

[invaLPsion]

Don't know if this has already been mentioned elswhere, but late this afternoon I called the UCLA campus store and found out that the PB 15" 1.25 is on a "SPECIAL PROMOTION" of $1,999.00 while supplies last. Also, the G5 1.8 Dual has the same "SPECIAL PROMO" of $1,999.00.

Don't know if I should read to much into it, but seems like it could be signaling "something"... - no?

HT

Didn't I just reply to this on another thread? ;)

[kbonnel]

Vashti,

I too get the education discount, and I still think, from a dollars and cents mind set, that the refurb is the best way. Esp. when you add taxes to it. I have the same fears about scratches, etc. I guess I will have to decide if spending a couple hunderd more for new will be worth it.

Samuel L Bronkowitz

Thanks, you guys. Kbonnel, I thought about going for the refurb too. But I get the educational discount, which would make my set-up come to 2209, just 200 more than refurb. I thought maybe it was worth it to know that I was the first,no scratches or other problems. Part of me thinks if I'm spending $2000 for a new machine, it should be one that no one has used. Also, someone told me superdrive is definitely slower on burning cd's - something I think I'd do a fair amount of. Do you worry about refurb at all?

David, thanks for your tip too. Could I replace it with newer machine if it was an update or only get difference refunded?

Thanks, y'all. Pretty cool to have a place to come and ask your questions.

[smeddy]

i seem to recall reading somewhere that the aniticipated heat dissipation issues in rack g5 servers would not be unlike those in a g5 PB.

total speculation, but perhaps today's release can be taken as an indication we have moved closer to a g5 pb? of course each day that passes can be taken as an indication that we have moved closer to a g5 pb, but i hope they bring something out soon.

my g3 333 mhz grape imac literally wheezes every time i try to make it do something... not much life left in it now. i want my new powerbook :(

Yes, I second that.

This is an official Press Release from Apple, so we can safely assume that the info is correct and not 'twisted'. A fact is that the single Xserve's ARE shipping, and in them are the new 970Fx processors. So it's safe to say the processor itself is fine, is ready. The processor is the same as in the dual Xserve's right? So that leaves 2 possible reasons for the dual delay.

1 : They don't have the quantity of processors received from ibm to assemble the duals and ship them to the customers.
2 : There are still heat-issues on the dual Xserve, but in this stage, would that be possible? That would be a real problem if that's the case, in this late stage of production. that could imply some modifications to the cooling system, and other internal parts of the dual. So this seems to me as NOT a possibility.

So the only reason is quantity imho.

And if this is true, than the updated PM's (with the same processor but at higher speeds?) will maybe be announced soon, but not shipping until the larger batch of customers received their dual Xserve G5.

That would leave us, potential rev B owners, with a timeframe of shipping PM's at least begin may..

As i read my post again..i think i'm going to cry :(

[Vashti]

Computers will always, always, always be better and faster after you buy one. If you worry too much about that, you'll never get one. If you do buy one and an announcement is made, then, if your order hasn't shipped yet, you can cancel it. If it hasn't been opened yet (like you'll just sit there with it unopened...) then you can return it. If you've opened it, you get a month to return it for a 10% restocking fee, which is still not too bad. So, you're looking at maybe 4-6 weeks between the time you order and the time it becomes very expensive to ditch the laptop. Not too bad.

Hey JSW, thank you, thank you for all your thoughts! They were really helpful. About the above, if I stick with BTO config I mentioned, can I still return it if it's unopened? Or does that mean no returns?

Thanks again.

[windowsblowsass]

The new G5s coming out are still going to have fans in them, but are suppose to run quieter than current models. Apple is still having problems with leaks in the liquid-cooled models I've heard. Liquid-cooled models are suppose to run silent. :) I sure miss my fanless old iMac DV 500. Silence is golden!
listen water cooling is NOT SILENT yes with cooligy thre pump is silent but how do you expect to cool the water magic? it works like this water has a better conduction rate than air so heat can be moved away quickly and cooled in a more conveniant place and water cooling almost never leaks on screen savers theve hooked up alot of water cooled systems and they said none have leaked even though they said they hooked up the 1 in the worst way possible

[Mr Maui]

Don't know if this has already been mentioned elswhere, but late this afternoon I called the UCLA campus store and found out that the PB 15" 1.25 is on a "SPECIAL PROMOTION" of $1,999.00 while supplies last. Also, the G5 1.8 Dual has the same "SPECIAL PROMO" of $1,999.00.

Is this SPECIAL PROMO for UCLA students only?

[jsw]

Hey JSW, thank you, thank you for all your thoughts! They were really helpful. About the above, if I stick with BTO config I mentioned, can I still return it if it's unopened? Or does that mean no returns?

Thanks again.

I'd confirm with Apple - ask when ordering, or call customer service - but I think any unopened order can be returned for a full refund. Anyone else know?

[jsw]

Hey JSW, thank you, thank you for all your thoughts! They were really helpful. About the above, if I stick with BTO config I mentioned, can I still return it if it's unopened? Or does that mean no returns?

Thanks again.

I'd also find out about the refurb return policy - that might strongly argue in favor of - or against - a refurb, depending on the policy (i.e., if you get 30 days to return a refurb with no penalty, great, but if there's no grace period at all, then that's bad...).

[PowerMacMan]

A quote from an "X"-Apple employee...

"I Have The Run Down Of The New Macs And When There Going To Be Released

Steve Is Getting Ready To Shock You All (Including Bill Gates)
By Releasing New Models

Firstly The New PowerBooks
The 12 Inch Will Keep The G4 but Be Released At A Huge 1.5
The 15 And 17 Will Both Have G5 Processors
And Be Layed out diffrently you will have processsor choices on both
1.6 and 2ghz ...yes thats 2ghz

Secondly the new imacs will have a big overhaul in looks (complete redesign)
And have A base model of a g4 processor again 1.5 with a 15 inch screen
and the new screens 18 inch and 23 inch will have a choice of 1.6 g5 (19inch) and 2ghz (23)

new screens have been developed and are being made ready for shipment
sizes 18 inch 24 inch and huthum........... 30 inches


and last but not least the powermacs

dual 2.0 will stay the same but the rest will be discontinued
and the new ones will be 2.4 2.6 and the big 3ghz dual baby
and the the 2.4 2.6 and 3ghz will have 128mb ati video cards
not sure if the 2ghz will still ship with the ati 9600 or not...
and there will be also and upgrade in ram with the 3ghz to 1gb
but the rest will remain at 512.....


unfourtunatly i cannot specify whom i got this valued information from
because im sure it will lead to instant dismisal


i hope this stops all this silly nonsense about march 23rd ect ect"

....
"oooops i forgot to mention when

my appologies


wwdc 2004

i cannot wait".............................................
(end quote)

So, what do you all think of this? Reading it made me excited, but there has been so many people full of crap and nonsence reguarding these updates to the Apple Computer lines. I got the statement from this Apple Insider forum (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39974)

-Chase

[DavidM]

Vashti -

I tried some pretty heavy glossy photo paper in my i950 and it printed fine. I'm not sure how heavy the stock is you're referrring to, but maybe take it to an Apple Store or CompUSA and try in on one of their demo models.

And JSW is right about the 10 percent restocking fee if the stock unit box is opened, but I always understood that all BTO orders were not returnable. I even thought this applied to memory configs that are BTO. Of course, I may have misunderstood, so if anyone out there can clear this up, post away!

[jsw]

A quote from an "X"-Apple employee...

"I Have The Run Down Of The New Macs And When There Going To Be Released

Steve Is Getting Ready To Shock You All (Including Bill Gates)
By Releasing New Models
...
i cannot wait".............................................
(end quote)

So, what do you all think of this? Reading it made me excited, but there has been so many people full of crap and nonsence reguarding these updates to the Apple Computer lines. I got the statement from this Apple Insider forum (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39974)

-Chase

General consensus at AppleInsider is that it's crap. I'd have to agree. Too much too soon.

[aswitcher]

A quote from an "X"-Apple employee...

"I Have The Run Down Of The New Macs And When There Going To Be Released

Steve Is Getting Ready To Shock You All (Including Bill Gates)
By Releasing New Models

Firstly The New PowerBooks
The 12 Inch Will Keep The G4 but Be Released At A Huge 1.5
The 15 And 17 Will Both Have G5 Processors
And Be Layed out diffrently you will have processsor choices on both
1.6 and 2ghz ...yes thats 2ghz



Wish this were true...if the price point stays the same this would be a hell of a machine.


Secondly the new imacs will have a big overhaul in looks (complete redesign)
And have A base model of a g4 processor again 1.5 with a 15 inch screen
and the new screens 18 inch and 23 inch will have a choice of 1.6 g5 (19inch) and 2ghz (23)


So a cheap entry level on old tech.
Again, if this were true, I think it would be a strong march in the right direction but why a 18 or was that 19 (best to get your facts straight, especially if your lying) and 23" (that would be very expensive and again in 2-3 years your stuck with a great lcd on average to crap hardware...)


new screens have been developed and are being made ready for shipment
sizes 18 inch 24 inch and huthum........... 30 inches


Why drop 17 for 18...? and 23 for 24?? and 30"??? I find this very hard to believe...this whole reference/source sounds dodgy.



and last but not least the powermacs

dual 2.0 will stay the same but the rest will be discontinued
and the new ones will be 2.4 2.6 and the big 3ghz dual baby
and the the 2.4 2.6 and 3ghz will have 128mb ati video cards
not sure if the 2ghz will still ship with the ati 9600 or not...
and there will be also and upgrade in ram with the 3ghz to 1gb
but the rest will remain at 512.....


Again seems about right but I have serious doubts about this source.


unfourtunatly i cannot specify whom i got this valued information from
because im sure it will lead to instant dismisal


i hope this stops all this silly nonsense about march 23rd ect ect"

....
"oooops i forgot to mention when

my appologies


wwdc 2004

i cannot wait".............................................
(end quote)

So, what do you all think of this? Reading it made me excited, but there has been so many people full of crap and nonsence reguarding these updates to the Apple Computer lines. I got the statement from this Apple Insider forum (http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39974)

-Chase

Sorry, I think its crap. Wish it were true but he/she couldn't keep there story straight and didn't really give enough detail to be another prophet/spectulator...

[jsw]

Hey JSW, thank you, thank you for all your thoughts! They were really helpful. About the above, if I stick with BTO config I mentioned, can I still return it if it's unopened? Or does that mean no returns?

Thanks again.

I was, not surprisingly, wrong. You cannot return BTO systems.

Note: can you only get SuperDrive 15" systems as BTO? If you can get a stock 15" with superdrive and all you're losing is that you get 2 sticks instead of one, no big deal - go with the stock one.

From Apple's web site:

RETURN & REFUND POLICY
If you are not satisfied with your Apple purchase of a pre-built product, please call 1-800-676-2775 for a Return Material Authorization (RMA) request within 10 business days of the receipt of the product. If the item is returned unopened in the original box, we will exchange it or offer you a refund based on your original method of payment. The product must be returned to the Apple warehouse within 10 business days of the issuance of the RMA. All products must be packed in the original, unmarked packaging including any accessories, manuals, documentation and registration that shipped with the product. A 10% open box fee will be assessed on any opened hardware or accessory. If you purchased your order using an Apple Instant Loan or an Apple Business Lease, you may be asked to provide a major credit card (Visa, MasterCard, American Express, or Discover) for Apple to assess the 10% open box restocking fee.

Please note that Apple does not permit the return of or offer refunds for the following products:


Product that is custom configured to your specifications

Opened memory

Opened software

Electronic software downloads

Personalized iPods

Software Up to Date Program Products (SW upgrades)

[MacinDoc]

I'd have to weigh in with those predicting a March 30 PM update. I think that there will be news about the PowerPC series at IBM's Power Series roadmap news conference on March 31, and as I mentioned previously on a different thread, I think Apple would like to make the announcements themselves, rather than let IBM have all the limelight.

Of course, I'm probably wrong...

[Vashti]

I was, not surprisingly, wrong. You cannot return BTO systems.

Note: can you only get SuperDrive 15" systems as BTO? If you can get a stock 15" with superdrive and all you're losing is that you get 2 sticks instead of one, no big deal - go with the stock one.

From Apple's web site:

RETURN & REFUND POLICY



Hey, thanks for all the info. I think I'll probably get the BTO to save the $200 from the superdrive. This computer decision making is not for the faint of heart, is it?

[G5support.com]

listen water cooling is NOT SILENT yes with cooligy thre pump is silent but how do you expect to cool the water magic? it works like this water has a better conduction rate than air so heat can be moved away quickly and cooled in a more conveniant place and water cooling almost never leaks on screen savers theve hooked up alot of water cooled systems and they said none have leaked even though they said they hooked up the 1 in the worst way possible

They are not using water in their liquid-cooled prototypes. They are using ethylene glycol.

[djbahdow01]

And once again the wait and countdown continues. Can't wait till i can get my hands on a Rev B G5 so i won't have to keep checking macrumors every few hours to see if anything has changed. Then again where would the anticipation be if i wasn't checking. Oh well you win some, you lose some. In the end something always ends up wrong.In this case its everyones predictions for the new PM's and LCD's.
Oh well will be back in the morning to see if anything new then checking every few hours.