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ronisize15
Feb 12, 2009, 07:06 PM
I have been using apple for over 10 years now. And I can say I have never been as angry at this company as I am now. For a company that is "great" to their customers why can I not use the nike plus hardware on my 80 gb ipod classic that I spent 250 bucks on last year. Because in the end they are greedy and selfish no different than microsoft. This really has turned me off to the company that they make me feel like in order to use their software I have to buy a brand new ipod. All apple needs to do is make a software update and they could easily make it compatible for the classic. But will they ever? No cus they don't care. This really has turned me off to apple more than ever before. Let me know if I'm nuts and there is way I can make it work on my 80gb ipod.



r.j.s
Feb 12, 2009, 07:11 PM
You just realized that they are a company trying to make a profit? Alert the media!

Schtumple
Feb 12, 2009, 07:15 PM
Running/jogging with a iPod Classic would destroy the hard drive...

Please think before ranting in future...

ronisize15
Feb 12, 2009, 07:18 PM
Ok obviously that's not true. I've been running with this ipod over a year and never had a problem. So why don't you not reply to what I post unless you have anything valid to say.

Tallest Skil
Feb 12, 2009, 07:26 PM
Ok obviously that's not true. I've been running with this ipod over a year and never had a problem. So why don't you not reply to what I post unless you have anything valid to say.

Here's an idea: follow our forum rules and don't insult other members.

The classic is dead. The future is a touchscreen, and the click wheel design is staying around long enough for NAND flash to hit 1.8" HDD capacities.

Schtumple
Feb 12, 2009, 07:27 PM
Ok obviously that's not true. I've been running with this ipod over a year and never had a problem. So why don't you not reply to what I post unless you have anything valid to say.

And actually, over time, you will scratch your hard drive, eventually deeming it unreadable, the iPod nanos use a SSD chip, which is not affected by movement, thus why it's the perfect candidate for the Nike+, plus if you've ever seen other people jogging, the majority either have iPod nanos or small personal radios, not chunky iPod Classics...

dukebound85
Feb 12, 2009, 07:29 PM
lol ohhh i definitly remember jogging with a cassette player and cd player back in the day

NT1440
Feb 12, 2009, 07:30 PM
Mad at a company for NOT sinking money into a function that will probably be including in the next revision, assuming the classic isn't dead?

Schtumple
Feb 12, 2009, 07:34 PM
lol ohhh i definitly remember jogging with a cassette player and cd player back in the day

I used to jog with a cd player, ended up destroying a large number of my albums sadly, I was very impressed with my iPod nano when I got it, perfect for running with, barely notice it's there...

bozz2006
Feb 12, 2009, 09:09 PM
Ok obviously that's not true. I've been running with this ipod over a year and never had a problem. So why don't you not reply to what I post unless you have anything valid to say.

Schtumple is right. that is exactly why apple doesn't support nike+ with the hard drive ipods. just because running with your ipod hasn't killed it yet doesn't mean you're not putting it at risk.

SkyBell
Feb 12, 2009, 09:14 PM
And actually, over time, you will scratch your hard drive, eventually deeming it unreadable, the iPod nanos use a SSD chip, which is not affected by movement, thus why it's the perfect candidate for the Nike+, plus if you've ever seen other people jogging, the majority either have iPod nanos or small personal radios, not chunky iPod Classics...

Though I recall the HDD based mini being touted as great for jogging.

NT1440
Feb 12, 2009, 09:18 PM
Though I recall the HDD based mini being touted as great for jogging.

The mini used CompactFlash cards for storage....

Edit: my mistake, some digging shows that they used something called a microdrive (compactflash II).

teflon
Feb 12, 2009, 09:37 PM
I have been using apple for over 10 years now. And I can say I have never been as angry at this company as I am now. For a company that is "great" to their customers why can I not use the nike plus hardware on my 80 gb ipod classic that I spent 250 bucks on last year. Because in the end they are greedy and selfish no different than microsoft. This really has turned me off to the company that they make me feel like in order to use their software I have to buy a brand new ipod. All apple needs to do is make a software update and they could easily make it compatible for the classic. But will they ever? No cus they don't care. This really has turned me off to apple more than ever before. Let me know if I'm nuts and there is way I can make it work on my 80gb ipod.

Well yeah, they are a business, ultimately they're out to make money. Apple is not a charity. Of course they don't care about you or your feelings, or anyone else's for that matter. It's like to run Snow Leopard you need Intel. Can Apple put in the extra work and time and make it compatible with G5. Yes. Is that a smart way to run a business? No.

beeh
Feb 12, 2009, 11:19 PM
Running/jogging with a iPod Classic would destroy the hard drive...

Please think before ranting in future...

I ran 4-5 times a week with a first generation 10GB ipod for close to four years, it still works fine, never replaced the hard drive. Maybe the newer hard drives are less robust though?

miles01110
Feb 13, 2009, 01:00 AM
I ran 4-5 times a week with a first generation 10GB ipod for close to four years, it still works fine, never replaced the hard drive. Maybe the newer hard drives are less robust though?

I'd say you were (are) just lucky.

Josh396
Feb 13, 2009, 01:28 AM
I'd say you were (are) just lucky.
I'd agree with that statement. I ran with a 4th Gen iPod that I had replaced 5 times in less than a year and a 5th Gen Video iPod that was replaced 3 times, and I wasn't even much of a runner. Some of those replacements could be chalked up to just faulty drives to begin with, but I remember remember the Genius' mentioning how they had countless numbers of iPods in for repairs due to people running with them. In the past two years I've had two nanos (one was stolen) and I haven't had a single problem with either of them.

Schtumple
Feb 13, 2009, 06:07 AM
IIRC, the hard drive only spins right before loading a song, or the current song is ending, not constantly, so the chances of you damaging it are slimmed down there, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a risk.

And Cassie, MicroDrives are designed to be moved about alot, they're used (or were) in professional cameras, and probably have some kind of small shock absorption tech, as to reduce damage.

beeh
Feb 13, 2009, 08:24 AM
I'd say you were (are) just lucky.

Yeah, that could be true, but only with respect to the HD, I had to replace the firewire connector twice though ( not due to running, but just connect/disconnect ). It was a pain finding a replacement that fit perfectly.

The last couple of years, I've had a first gen. Nano I run with and Nike+, it works real well, although the transmitter battery just died this month.

The Nano is definitely easier to run with, much less bulky and lighter.

reclusivemonkey
Feb 13, 2009, 12:32 PM
The classic is dead.

Mine isn't :p

iSaygoodbye
Feb 13, 2009, 06:47 PM
apple doesnt care about the classic anymore no major update in over a year. dont come to a apple forum and trash apple

GimmeSlack12
Feb 13, 2009, 06:57 PM
Running/jogging with a iPod Classic would destroy the hard drive...

No it won't. I've never ever heard of this happening and I've run hundreds of miles with my Classic and with my 1G iPod. You figure the very first iPod would be most susceptible to breaking down.

As for the OP's complaint. Give me a break, suck it up and go buy a nano.

iCantwait
Feb 13, 2009, 07:22 PM
apple doesnt care about the classic anymore no major update in over a year. dont come to a apple forum and trash apple

what about the 5G ipod, that was around for two years?
the Classic if perfect for what it is, why should it get an update other that cosmetic?

and OP, get over it.

iSaygoodbye
Feb 13, 2009, 08:04 PM
what about the 5G ipod, that was around for two years?
the Classic if perfect for what it is, why should it get an update other that cosmetic?

and OP, get over it.

they havent even mentioned it in 2 years. the 5g had the 5.5 g update

Mr. Giver '94
Feb 13, 2009, 10:37 PM
I do think that the classic will be dead within the next few revisions to the iPod lineup. If you are going to be mad at Apple, there are so many more important things to get worked up over.

OP, I can't even imagine running with a classic just because I'd be afraid it'd come flying off the clip and break.

Gyrferret
Feb 14, 2009, 12:21 AM
Well, I think he has a point. Apple even says that the HDD only spins up to cache songs, so it is not constantly spinning. Plus, do you think that it wasn't designed to take that kind of stress?

For a change, it's like saying "Hey all you iPod Touch 1G owners, let's have you pay a total of $30 on top of the $300 that you already paid just to have the same features as the iPod Touch 2G."

But alas, Flash is the way of the future, just wish Apple wouldn't update products so often and leave the previous generation to rot.

miles01110
Feb 14, 2009, 02:48 AM
No it won't. I've never ever heard of this happening and I've run hundreds of miles with my Classic and with my 1G iPod.

Well now you have. Even if you'd never heard of it, common sense and a little knowledge of how hard drives actually work could lead you to the conclusion that running with your iPod (i.e. constantly bouncing it around while the disk is being read) is a bad idea.

SkyBell
Feb 14, 2009, 02:59 AM
The mini used CompactFlash cards for storage....

Edit: my mistake, some digging shows that they used something called a microdrive (compactflash II).
Yeah, basically a hard drive designed to fit in a CF II slot. (It is very easy to replace the hard drive with a real flash card.)

And Cassie, MicroDrives are designed to be moved about alot, they're used (or were) in professional cameras, and probably have some kind of small shock absorption tech, as to reduce damage.
Probably. Always wondered why they didn't advance the technology further. I guess it just came too late in the flash era.

bartelby
Feb 14, 2009, 03:01 AM
And Cassie, MicroDrives are designed to be moved about alot, they're used (or were) in professional cameras, and probably have some kind of small shock absorption tech, as to reduce damage.

Not that they worked too well. I had 2 2.2GB microdrives in my D-70 fail:(

synagence
Feb 14, 2009, 04:34 AM
The Classic will survive (and i do only mean survive) until the day apple can release a flash based ipod at roughly 100gb

Once that day arrives then the HD based ipod will be gone .... they could have already bumped the capacity up since 1.8" hd's are higher incapacity but they chose to even ditch the 160

The classic is on life support ... Apple is all about NAND flash now

bozz2006
Feb 14, 2009, 07:45 AM
ipods in the "classic" form factor with greater than 100GB capacities are theoretically possible now, aren't they? i mean, macbook airs use 1.8" drives don't they? and they are available in 128GB versions.

Tallest Skil
Feb 14, 2009, 07:48 AM
ipods in the "classic" form factor with greater than 100GB capacities are theoretically possible now, aren't they? i mean, macbook airs use 1.8" drives don't they? and they are available in 128GB versions.

Theoretically? Apple is SELLING one.

They have been selling an iPod over 100GB since September 2007.

kastenbrust
Feb 14, 2009, 08:30 AM
Well Panasonic are about to release a 2000GB (2TB) SD Card, so thats gonna laugh at 100GB.

Compile 'em all
Feb 14, 2009, 08:40 AM
I don't run. Jogging it too much movement for me :p

bozz2006
Feb 14, 2009, 01:01 PM
Theoretically? Apple is SELLING one.

They have been selling an iPod over 100GB since September 2007.

Sorry. I meant ipods with SSDs over 100GB.

Ivan P
Feb 16, 2009, 12:59 AM
they havent even mentioned it in 2 years. the 5g had the 5.5 g update

Yes they have. It had a change in capacity last September (2008) so that it could become thinner yet hold more data. I'd say that was definitely mentioning it within the last 2 years. In fact, it was within the last 6 months.

gmeddles
Feb 16, 2009, 01:13 AM
The funny thing to me is that the iPhone3G won't work wth Nike+ but the 2nd gen touch does support it. It's basically the same thing minus the 3G radio, and HDD isn't a factor on the phone.

bozz2006
Feb 16, 2009, 08:18 AM
product line demarcation.

chadamorrill
Feb 16, 2009, 09:57 AM
My iPod 4g made it through 1 run without skipping. The second run caused it to skip once - for about 2 minutes. It only started playing again after i started my cool-down. The third time, it locked up completely. That was the first time I had an iPod lock up on me. I thought the world had ended. Phew. I remember it like it was yesterday. I never ran with it again.

I now have a Nano (1g) and am loving the Nike+ thing. Just wish it would track my runs with more options (overall time at each mile marker would be a welcomed addition.)

tdhurst
Feb 16, 2009, 11:36 AM
I have been using apple for over 10 years now. And I can say I have never been as angry at this company as I am now. For a company that is "great" to their customers why can I not use the nike plus hardware on my 80 gb ipod classic that I spent 250 bucks on last year. Because in the end they are greedy and selfish no different than microsoft. This really has turned me off to the company that they make me feel like in order to use their software I have to buy a brand new ipod. All apple needs to do is make a software update and they could easily make it compatible for the classic. But will they ever? No cus they don't care. This really has turned me off to apple more than ever before. Let me know if I'm nuts and there is way I can make it work on my 80gb ipod.

Because it's a hard drive based player and flash drives are much more suitable for running.

You KNEW it wouldn't work. What a ridiculous complaint.

iSaygoodbye
Feb 16, 2009, 01:21 PM
Yes they have. It had a change in capacity last September (2008) so that it could become thinner yet hold more data. I'd say that was definitely mentioning it within the last 2 years. In fact, it was within the last 6 months.

nothing big is what i meant