Dad at 13, but he looks 8. [Archive]

bigandy

Feb 13, 2009, 09:31 AM

Bill Bailey's comments on teenage pregnancy in the UK really are starting to make a lot of sense. We certainly do win at something here. :rolleyes:

He doesn't even get pocket money... (http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?13-year-old_dad_doesnt_even_have_pocketmoney&in_article_id=535852&in_page_id=34&in_a_source=)

Sdashiki

Feb 13, 2009, 09:41 AM

Wheres the mother?
both of the baby...and the BABY!?

mkrishnan

Feb 13, 2009, 09:42 AM

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00732/SNN1305AA-380_732314a.jpg

I believe the mother of the littler baby is the one in this picture...

So I take it, at 15 years old, her having sex with a 13 year old is not statutory rape in England?

marbles

Feb 13, 2009, 09:46 AM

1 . :eek: WHAT?

2 err , what ?

3. What?

This is unreal, the girl looks almost happy :confused:, I'm stunned and don't really know what to say.

*edit*May whatever is running this world give that child a chance, especially the baby.

iBlue

Feb 13, 2009, 09:48 AM

I find it so disturbing and disgusting I can't even explain, perhaps because I don't want to think about it. <shudders>

xUKHCx

Feb 13, 2009, 09:54 AM

I believe the mother of the littler baby is the one in this picture...

So I take it, at 15 years old, her having sex with a 12 year old is not statutory rape in England?

He was 12 at the time.

In the UK the laws are different for females and males.

If the roles were reversed then the guy would most probably be up on a rape charge.

Abstract

Feb 13, 2009, 09:55 AM

“You don’t really think about that when you find out you are pregnant. You just think your parents will kill you.”

That's not what I want to be thinking if this happens.

iJohnHenry

Feb 13, 2009, 09:59 AM

He doesn't even get pocket money...

Well then, no wonder, no money for rubbers.

Hey, Kid, you da Man. :rolleyes:

iGary

Feb 13, 2009, 10:00 AM

Where's his Burberry hat? :confused:

bigandy

Feb 13, 2009, 10:02 AM

So I take it, at 15 years old, her having sex with a 13 year old is not statutory rape in England?

If the roles were reversed then the guy would most probably be up on a rape charge.

It's not *rape* per se, it depends on the case. Either way around, at that age, it's sexual assault.

edesignuk

Feb 13, 2009, 10:04 AM

Where's his Burberry hat? :confused:He's had to sell it to buy nappies and baby powder/milk.

Melrose

Feb 13, 2009, 10:08 AM

I find it so disturbing and disgusting I can't even explain, perhaps because I don't want to think about it. <shudders>

word. word. word.

This is just wrong in so many ways...

atszyman

Feb 13, 2009, 10:09 AM

Let's see, dad at 13, grandpa at 26, great grandpa at 39, great-great grandpa at 52, great-great-great grandpa at 65, great-great-great-great grandpa at 78, great-great-great-great-great grandpa at 91... there could conceivably be 8-9 generations alive at one point in this [b]kid's[b] lineage... wow... just wow...

Apple Ink

Feb 13, 2009, 10:10 AM

This is just pathetic... by the looks of it the boy's puberty isn't even complete... what's going on with this World.... Ridiculous!

We're all giving away sex ed but where is the real moral values that need to be imparted while educating them... I for one am ashamed!

nick9191

Feb 13, 2009, 10:11 AM

If that kid is the father then I'm Mary Poppins.

So I take it, at 15 years old, her having sex with a 13 year old is not statutory rape in England?
No, they are both under 16. If she was 16 at the time of conceiving then it would be rape.

What hurts is that I just knew it was going to be a UK story before I even clicked on the link :(

Jaffa Cake

Feb 13, 2009, 10:11 AM

In all honesty I think the last thing either of these two children (because, after all, that's what they are) need is to be taken to court on some sex assault charge.

A very sad story all round.

Queso

Feb 13, 2009, 10:14 AM

Chantelle’s mum said: “I told her it was lovely to have the baby but I wish it was in different circumstances. We have five children already so it’s a big financial responsibility for other people who actually work and fund us through their taxes. But we are a family and will pull together and get through.
Fixed that for her. I also worry their family seems to be doing the wrong kind of "pulling together".

The gradual taking over of the country by the benefits class continues. There will now be three generations of that family living without an income, and you can guarantee Chantelle (****, I hate that name :rolleyes:) will jump up the housing list now that she has a child. Where does it end?

Let's see, dad at 13, grandpa at 26, great grandpa at 39, great-great grandpa at 52, great-great-great grandpa at 65, great-great-great-great grandpa at 78, great-great-great-great-great grandpa at 91... there could conceivably be 8-9 generations alive at one point in this [b]kid's[b] lineage... wow... just wow...
Yep, this is where it ends. Well put.

skunk

Feb 13, 2009, 10:18 AM

It could be worse: they could be brother and sister.

arkitect

Feb 13, 2009, 10:20 AM

I guess in a world where nine year olds give dating advise, it is to be expected.

Grim… :(

There are many places a young man can go for romantic advice - friends, family, and if the worst comes to the worst, the internet.

Now, desperate bachelors, looking for a fresh perspective, are taking dating tips from a nine-year-old boy.

Alec Greven, from Colorado, is the author of How To Talk To Girls.

The book, which started as an elementary school project, has become a New York Times best-seller.

BBC Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/newsbeat/newsid_7887000/7887032.stm?lss)

It could be worse: they could be brother and sister.
Well, the girl in the picture looks old enough to be his mother.

edesignuk

Feb 13, 2009, 10:20 AM

It could be worse: they could be brother and sister.Congratulations. You found the one way this could be any more wrong.

iBlue

Feb 13, 2009, 10:24 AM

So long as they find it all so commendable, perhaps they should open their wallets wide to the cause:
Last night Michaela Aston, of the anti-abortion Christian charity LIFE, said: “We commend these teenagers for their courage in bringing their child into the world.
:rolleyes:

edesignuk

Feb 13, 2009, 10:25 AM

So long as they find it all so commendable, perhaps they should open their wallets wide to the cause:

:rolleyes:Wait, was that courage or stupidity?

iBlue

Feb 13, 2009, 10:26 AM

Wait, was that courage or stupidity?

Oh that would never be said. It's all about the fetus, don't ya know? After that though, it's all on its own the taxpayer.

Apple Ink

Feb 13, 2009, 10:27 AM

In all honesty I think the last thing either of these two children (because, after all, that's what they are) need is to be taken to court on some sex assault charge.

A very sad story all round.

Agreed...

But what amazes me is the kind of exposure these Sesame st kids have been receiving in this regard to have actually decided "to have a baby"...

Kardashian

Feb 13, 2009, 10:27 AM

Oh dear. What more can be said? That poor kid doesn't stand a chance.

Which one?

mkrishnan

Feb 13, 2009, 10:31 AM

Sorry -- "statutory rape" is the American legal term -- I wasn't sure what / if there was a close equivalent in British law. Thanks for explaining. It's quite wild. In the US those laws sometimes do a lot of good -- I think they're perhaps appropriate in cases like this where there's a big gap in sensibility (as in 12 year old boys really lack any shred of competency to consent to sex compared to 15-16 year old girls). Sometimes it gets abused here rather badly (I think, in some states, a sex act can be considered statutory rape even when the two parties are very close in age together, such as a high school freshman and sophomore sleeping together).

Anyways, I wonder what will come of it.

And you British do certainly seem to love this kind of trashy news. :p

Chip NoVaMac

Feb 13, 2009, 10:36 AM

What hurts is that I just knew it was going to be a UK story before I even clicked on the link :(

I felt the same seeing the thread... maybe it is because of my impression of the UK tabloids...

In the end he is probably not the first 12/13 year old to be a father with a mother that is 15 here in the US... :( Just that we don't really have the likes of the Sun to sensationalize the way the Sun could....

The details of the of the story mirrors the youth of many countries with what they see has little hope for their futures...

Sky Blue

Feb 13, 2009, 10:42 AM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Idiocracy_movie_poster.jpg

Sdashiki

Feb 13, 2009, 10:42 AM

What hurts is that I just knew it was going to be a UK story before I even clicked on the link :(

the pasty-white-never-seen-the-sun-it-rains-too-much-here-face gave it away for me. :rolleyes:

joepunk

Feb 13, 2009, 12:02 PM

Oh my god, that 13-year-old dad looks like he's eight! Super creepy and sad, especially the anti-choicers "commending" him and his 15-year old girlfriend, who is about twice his size, for "bringing their child into the world."

Also, I love British journalism: "Penny figured out what was going on after buying Chantelle a T-shirt which revealed her swelling tum."

schizoidwoman

Feb 13, 2009, 12:15 PM

This is just insane, it's the kind of thing you want to believe is made up; nice to see LIFE hopping aboard this particularly unsavoury bandwagon.

That photo of the two of them is somehow absurd, I can almost hear Simon Bates doing Our Tune, if anyone else is old enough to remember that...

iJohnHenry

Feb 13, 2009, 12:20 PM

Oh my god, that 13-year-old dad looks like he's eight!

True, but you must admit he's a cute 8. No wonder "Mom" fell for his line.

I hope Teh Little One™ takes-after him.

PS: I fear for the young lads life, when she is on top.

heehee

Feb 13, 2009, 12:25 PM

True, but you must admit he's a cute 8. No wonder "Mom" fell for his line.

I hope Teh Little One™ takes-after him.

PS: I fear for the young lads life, when she is on top.

Alot of my sister's friends thought I was cute when i was 13, but no one did that to me. :(

schizoidwoman

Feb 13, 2009, 12:26 PM

Alot of my sister's friends thought I was cute when i was 13, but no one did that to me. :(

I hope you're frowning in consternation and not disappointment! :)

mogzieee

Feb 13, 2009, 12:37 PM

It's shameful that the UK has the highest "children having children" rates in western Europe.

Just think... that 13 year old father was born in 1995/1996! Mandess.

TuffLuffJimmy

Feb 13, 2009, 12:38 PM

I wish I was having sex at 13... *sigh*

;)

xUKHCx

Feb 13, 2009, 12:39 PM

Just think... that 13 year old father was born in 1995/1996! Mandess.

He's as old as my car :eek::eek: N-reg.

iBlue

Feb 13, 2009, 12:40 PM

True, but you must admit he's a cute 8. No wonder "Mom" fell for his line.

I hope Teh Little One™ takes-after him.

PS: I fear for the young lads life, when she is on top.

Um ewww. I just want to thank you for thinking about this so much that you felt it was perfectly OK to put this revolting image in our minds.

http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/smilies/barf.gif

atszyman

Feb 13, 2009, 12:41 PM

He's as old as my car :eek::eek: N-reg.

Your car could be a father. Do you know where your car is?

yg17

Feb 13, 2009, 12:45 PM

Your car could be a father. Do you know where your car is?

So that's where cars come from? I thought the stork brought them.

iJohnHenry

Feb 13, 2009, 12:59 PM

Um ewww. I just want to thank you for thinking about this so much that you felt it was perfectly OK to put this revolting image in our minds.

http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/smilies/barf.gif

Anytime. I have no trouble expressing myself. :p

Queso

Feb 13, 2009, 01:09 PM

So that's where cars come from? I thought the stork brought them.
At least you're not advocating they're intelligently designed :p

joepunk

Feb 13, 2009, 01:18 PM

Your car could be a father. Do you know where your car is?

Not eating Paris I hope.

skunk

Feb 13, 2009, 01:37 PM

He's as old as my car :eek::eek: N-reg.If you want to introduce your car to one of the same age, my N-reg is between relationships right now.

yg17

Feb 13, 2009, 01:44 PM

At least you're not advocating they're intelligently designed :p

Well, we know there's no intelligence behind the design of American cars :D

suburbia

Feb 13, 2009, 02:18 PM

It could be worse: they could be brother and sister.

They're British-- not American.

Seriously, Vicky Pollard is not just a fictional character, her types are, sadly, very real, and sadder still, becoming too common.

BoyBach

Feb 13, 2009, 02:42 PM

Is it even possible for what looks to be such an underdeveloped child to be fertile?

TuffLuffJimmy

Feb 13, 2009, 02:47 PM

Is it even possible for what looks to be such an underdeveloped child to be fertile?

Apparently...

PlaceofDis

Feb 13, 2009, 02:48 PM

wow. thats about all i can say to that.
sad story overall though.

mactastic

Feb 13, 2009, 03:23 PM

Well, at least they're not going to name him Trak or Trig...

Burnsey

Feb 13, 2009, 08:51 PM

Day = ruined.

Shotglass

Feb 14, 2009, 06:23 AM

Has anyone considered the possibility of BS? I mean, I believe the story, but this is The Sun. I hope this is all a fake, but I don't think it is. Opinions?

és:

Feb 14, 2009, 06:32 AM

I had my son at 21 (my partner was 23) and I was going crazy at how young I was. I had a good job earning good money, owned a house by the time he was born and was ready. It was hard enough for me as a full adult, go knows what it's like at their age. Truly horrifying.

On reflection, 21 isn't that young to have a child. I'm glad know I'm older and have a great relationship with him.

iJohnHenry

Feb 14, 2009, 10:27 AM

Has anyone considered the possibility of BS? I mean, I believe the story, but this is The Sun. I hope this is all a fake, but I don't think it is. Opinions?

Ah, A Sarah Palin™?? :p

Perhaps a paternity, or kidernity, test is called for?? ;)

Apple Ink

Feb 14, 2009, 12:38 PM

Has anyone considered the possibility of BS? I mean, I believe the story, but this is The Sun. I hope this is all a fake, but I don't think it is. Opinions?

With all the 'extremely natural looking' photo shoots of the kid and the baby and the vid... its either real... or its scare tactics and we're the 'victims'...

mgguy

Feb 14, 2009, 02:44 PM

Has there been a blood test to prove it is his?

Is the shock here due to his being a father or having sex? If the latter, my guess is that it isn't that rare for 12 yr olds to have sex. Maybe the fact that he only looks 8 is what is freaking people out.

Counterfit

Feb 14, 2009, 03:00 PM

They're British-- not American.

:mad:

BenEndeem

Feb 14, 2009, 03:14 PM

Shocking story, it even seems on the verge of 'too shocking to be true'. Then again, with Britain having the highest teen pregnancy rates in Western Europe, should I really be so surprised? Perhaps not.

Osarkon

Feb 14, 2009, 03:14 PM

Is it even possible for what looks to be such an underdeveloped child to be fertile?

I have to admit, my first thought regarding this was 'I'm surprised he can get it up at that age'

It doesn't look like hes hit puberty yet.

iParis

Feb 14, 2009, 03:19 PM

WTf!?!?!? When the baby is ten, people are going to think they are brothers.
Give this sometime, and this story is going to make it on Opera.

mgguy

Feb 14, 2009, 03:20 PM

I have to admit, my first thought regarding this was 'I'm surprised he can get it up at that age'

It doesn't look like hes hit puberty yet.

Um, even 3-year-old boys can get an erection.

iJohnHenry

Feb 14, 2009, 03:25 PM

Um, even 3-year-old boys can get an erection.

That's just a systems test. :p

fluidedge

Feb 14, 2009, 03:35 PM

she looks like a moomin and he looks like the human kid in the show:

http://www.classickidstv.co.uk/wiki/images/6/6e/Moomin_4.jpg

Osarkon

Feb 14, 2009, 03:46 PM

she looks like a moomin and he looks like the human kid in the show:

Damn that show was just freaky.

yojitani

Feb 14, 2009, 04:07 PM

Kind of a surreal story, but it's not like this has never happened before. The 'story' is news just because there is an audience for this that feels like 'Britain' (or insert any country really) is losing its moral compass etc.

I guess he'd better get a paper round to help pay for the baby... poor kid.

marbles

Feb 14, 2009, 04:37 PM

agghh , thought I unsubbed from this. am now.

Dagless

Feb 14, 2009, 04:58 PM

She looks quite old for 15, he looks young for 13. It's almost as if she could be the mother of both of them.

I don't like this. No sir.

BengalDuck

Feb 14, 2009, 05:04 PM

Is it to late to abort... the father?

fluidedge

Feb 14, 2009, 05:35 PM

lol i read that and thought of the south park episode where mrs cartman wanted to abort 8 year old eric! - she was in her 24th trimester

hahaha

EmperorDarius

Feb 14, 2009, 05:37 PM

Why don't people just masturbate at 13, masturbate!:rolleyes:

TuffLuffJimmy

Feb 14, 2009, 05:42 PM

Why don't people just masturbate at 13, masturbate!:rolleyes:

Thanks masturbation! (http://midwestteensexshow.com/)

djellison

Feb 15, 2009, 05:08 AM

This thread is pointless without a paternity test.

She's got hitched up with some 20 year old - got pregnant, panics, finds some kid from school and jumps him so her older boyfriend doesn't go down for rape. Then, get in the tabloids, bag a few grand for it, give it up for adoption a few weeks later. Seriously - he doesn't look old enough to be out after dinner. It's very very very suspicious.

WinterMute

Feb 15, 2009, 05:34 AM

It's win win win for them, their council will be throwing money at them to support the poor little sod (I'll leave you to figure out exactly which sod I mean...).

I feel sorry for the baby (the new one, sheesh...), what hope does that have?

Perpetuation of the cycle of poor education, poor parenting and poor judgement.

fluidedge

Feb 15, 2009, 06:55 AM

The best thing for all parties concerned would be for the baby to put up for adoption. seriously.

CortexRock

Feb 15, 2009, 08:56 AM

The latest addition to this sorry tale is that three other young boys have thrown their names into the hat as possible 'father' to the poor baby.

The original 'father' is now planning a DNA test to make sure the 'mother' has not been sleeping around. :eek:

maestro55

Feb 15, 2009, 12:38 PM

It is indeed a very shocking story. For the most part I am not prude, 15 and 16 year old teens are going to have sex. We hope that proper sex-education is given and these teens use protection and understand that even with protection there are still risks and they have to decide if the risks are worth taking. But a 12 year old and 14 year old having un-protected sex. I would think the problem here is a lack of proper sex-education and also a lack of decent after school programs that have these children learning and now having sex.

iJohnHenry

Feb 15, 2009, 12:44 PM

djellison

Feb 15, 2009, 01:44 PM

The latest addition to this sorry tale is that three other young boys have thrown their names into the hat as possible 'father' to the poor baby.

As I thought. Too scared to admit it at first - now there might be a grand from The Sun in it - they're coming out the wood work.

Doug

CorvusCamenarum

Feb 15, 2009, 02:23 PM

jonbravo77

Feb 15, 2009, 02:25 PM

The best thing to do here is sensationalize it. Just get it out on every news wire there is so this boy and girl can become heroes and every kid under the age of 16 will want to do this for the notoriety. I hate the news. :mad: Everyone wants to get or give 15 minutes of fame.

Schtumple

Feb 15, 2009, 02:30 PM

I'm actually speechless. I don't have anything to say really, this is ridiculous...

Prof.

Feb 15, 2009, 03:57 PM

A few of my friends live in the UK and they're saying that this story is fake.

Thoughts?

iJohnHenry

Feb 15, 2009, 06:22 PM

[after observing the gambling tables at Rick's]

Customer: Are you sure this place is honest?

Carl: Honest? As honest as the day is long!

I love Casablanca. :)

JG271

Feb 15, 2009, 06:26 PM

A few of my friends live in the UK and they're saying that this story is fake.

Thoughts?

I thought it might be too, that the 15 year old who had the baby is saying the 13 year old is the father, when actually it could be someone else?

But really, I don't know why anyone would fake such a story - to be paid for interviews and the like perhaps?

fluidedge

Feb 15, 2009, 06:33 PM

A few of my friends live in the UK and they're saying that this story is fake.

Thoughts?

Unfortunately we don't do "fake" stories unless it's April 1st. Obviously the truth is never completely told in these sort of stories, but i this case i think it's true unfortunately. I think there might be some mileage yet in this case when the paternity tests come back, but it's really none of our business from now - the story has been told and now it's time to get back to reality.

Melrose

Feb 15, 2009, 06:33 PM

she looks like a moomin and he looks like the human kid in the show:

[snip]
That pic you posted is astoundingly accurate.. Spooky in a way...

RITZFit

Feb 15, 2009, 06:36 PM

I hope this story is fake...otherwise this is SERIOUSLY fubar!

iJohnHenry

Feb 15, 2009, 06:54 PM

I hope this story is fake...otherwise this is SERIOUSLY fubar!

No, not at all.

It's just Mother Nature having Her way.

No mystery in that.

joelovesapple

Feb 15, 2009, 07:59 PM

This totally grosses me out - all of it. One wouldn't even think it's physically possible.

Disgraceful. :mad:

iJohnHenry

Feb 15, 2009, 08:06 PM

Disgraceful. :mad:

Just how old are you??

Life will hold many more nasty surprises, all of them worse than this.

joelovesapple

Feb 15, 2009, 08:18 PM

20! And yeah, it's wrong. In fact its bloody disgraceful! :p

iJohnHenry

Feb 16, 2009, 01:32 PM

An EXCLUSIVE update from News of the World (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/177665/Richard-Goodsell-Im-the-real-daddy-Alfie-and-I-want-a-DNA-test-to-prove-it.html). :rolleyes:

Schtumple

Feb 16, 2009, 02:43 PM

And amazingly the News Of The World has uncovered claims that Chantelle was sleeping with as many as EIGHT teenage boys around the time the baby was conceived on the Old Town estate in Eastbourne, Sussex.

I'm utterly speechless.

joelovesapple

Feb 16, 2009, 03:05 PM

That just shows you that our sex education (or lack thereof) in the UK does not work for the majority of school kids/teens. :rolleyes:

benflick

Feb 16, 2009, 03:20 PM

*Kid walks into 5th grade class*
Classmates-"What did you do this weekend?"

Somehow I don't want to believe this, as it seems like he is too young to even produce, well you know.

alexbates

Feb 16, 2009, 03:24 PM

That kid looks more like he is 6. It would be freaky to know how old the mom is, no matter what age she is.

yg17

Feb 16, 2009, 03:29 PM

*Kid walks into 5th grade class*
Classmates-"What did you do this weekend?"

It's not so much "What did you do" as it is "Who did you do" :D

djellison

Feb 16, 2009, 03:46 PM

Not so much 'Who did you do' but 'Who DIDN'T you do'

yg17

Feb 16, 2009, 05:01 PM

Not so much 'Who did you do' but 'Who DIDN'T you do'

You win.

robbieduncan

Feb 17, 2009, 06:36 AM

iBlue

Feb 17, 2009, 06:41 AM

So it seems that the unfortunates in this case have started selling their stories to the papers. It was suggested on some other forums that I frequent that any money they make from this should be seized by the state. Why? Because in the UK it's illegal to profit from any criminal activity and that state has the power to seize any assets you cannot prove you rightfully own and did not pay for using cash gained from an illegal activity. As they are all underage the cash the papers pay them comes from a criminal activity...
Good idea and I totally agree.

This "story" just gets even more disgusting and disturbing. I think that girl needs counselling. It is not at all normal for a 14-15 year old girl to be having sex with 8 boys or so in the space of a couple weeks. At first I just thought she was just a repulsive little slut but maybe something is very wrong there, such as past or present sexual abuse. Either way it's awful and I don't think any good can come from this. Just another generation of trashy ingrates on the dole.
(sorry, I'm just not feeling particularly understanding or cheery about this one)

CorvusCamenarum

Feb 17, 2009, 09:53 AM

So it seems that the unfortunates in this case have started selling their stories to the papers. It was suggested on some other forums that I frequent that any money they make from this should be seized by the state. Why? Because in the UK it's illegal to profit from any criminal activity and that state has the power to seize any assets you cannot prove you rightfully own and did not pay for using cash gained from an illegal activity. As they are all underage the cash the papers pay them comes from a criminal activity...

Wouldn't that involve arresting one or both (or some or all) of these poor, stupid kids and putting them through the system, which I'm not entirely convinced would be the answer here? I ask not out of snarkiness but because I'm not up to speed on how due process works entirely in the UK. In order to invoke Son of Sam laws here, one must be convicted of the underlying crime first.

robbieduncan

Feb 17, 2009, 10:02 AM

Wouldn't that involve arresting one or both (or some or all) of these poor, stupid kids and putting them through the system, which I'm not entirely convinced would be the answer here? I ask not out of snarkiness but because I'm not up to speed on how due process works entirely in the UK. In order to invoke Son of Sam laws here, one must be convicted of the underlying crime first.

Surprisingly no. The laws are designed to be able to seize the assets of criminals who, for whatever reason, have not been caught committing the actual crime. Mostly they are used to seize the assets of "Mr Big" style drug dealers who are so far up the chain of command that they never actually get caught. Yet as they cannot provide a reasonably justification for their wealth the state can take them to court and remove it from them thus denying them the benefit of their crimes.

Edit: I think this is the correct legislation: it may not actually apply in this case though (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proceeds_of_Crime_Act_2002)...

nplima

Feb 17, 2009, 10:16 AM

No, not at all.

It's just Mother Nature having Her way.

No mystery in that.

1. sexual abbuse
2. ???????
3. living off benefits from 15 y-o... ie: profit.

I was touched by how the young mother's family was so generous and quick to offer any help and support they could give her. Considering they live in social housing and are unemployed, it was a truly generous offer.

djellison

Feb 21, 2009, 11:33 AM

So - a couple of days since the claims of paternity tests. These things can be done in hours. Why no results yet?

gkarris

Feb 21, 2009, 12:01 PM

TuffLuffJimmy

Feb 21, 2009, 01:42 PM

Girls mature at a younger age over boys.

I see guys with slightly older women all the time, so when they are finally older and adults, they'll actually look okay. But by that time, their kid will be a teen... :eek:

If girls mature younger wouldn't it make sense for older guys to be with younger girls? Your post makes no sense.

nick9191

Mar 26, 2009, 07:29 PM

Apparently the kids not his. Trying to find article.

mkrishnan

Mar 26, 2009, 07:39 PM

Apparently the kids not his. Trying to find article.

Here're a couple...

Alfie Patten was believed to be Britain's youngest father after his 15-year-old girlfriend, Chantelle Steadman, gave birth to baby girl Maisie. But then many other boys claimed they also slept with the mother, who had previously said that Alfie was the only boy she had slept with. As a result, Alfie took a DNA test, which indicated that he's not the father.

The result will be a blow to Alfie who was "devastated" by the boys' claims and "adored" Maisie.

He was convinced he was the dad after a single night of unprotected sex with Chantelle.

Before he took the test, he said: "I didn't know about DNA tests before but mum explained it's when they do a swab in your mouth and it tells if you're the dad. So if I have it, they can all shut up."

His mum Nicole, 43, added at the time: "It had not even crossed Alfie's mind whether Chantelle had not been faithful to him. He's absolutely devastated that these lads say they slept with her."

Oddly, the Mirror excerpt is quoted in all the stories but seems to have been pulled from the Mirror site itself.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?&entry_id=37526
http://ukfamily.co.uk/lifestyle/news/2009-3/general/alfie-patten-not-dad.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/03/26/dna-tests-show-boy-dad-alfie-patten-is-not-the-daddy-115875-21227974/

/Facepalm all around.

Cassie

Mar 26, 2009, 07:39 PM

If girls mature younger wouldn't it make sense for older guys to be with younger girls? Your post makes no sense.

I'm not sure whether it's they mature earlier physically or mentally, but one of those two.

Eanair

Mar 26, 2009, 07:45 PM

/Facepalm all around.

I think that sums it up quite nicely.

iJohnHenry

Mar 26, 2009, 07:56 PM

rdowns provided this facepalm all-round.

Chip NoVaMac

Mar 26, 2009, 08:11 PM

Oddly, the Mirror excerpt is quoted in all the stories but seems to have been pulled from the Mirror site itself.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?&entry_id=37526
http://ukfamily.co.uk/lifestyle/news/2009-3/general/alfie-patten-not-dad.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/03/26/dna-tests-show-boy-dad-alfie-patten-is-not-the-daddy-115875-21227974/

/Facepalm all around.

Saw the posting here early on.

I feel for this lad... he stepped up to be the Dad.

yojitani

Mar 26, 2009, 10:28 PM

This (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/02/19/schoolboy-dad-alfie-patten-dna-tests-to-be-secret-115875-21135044/) may be the reason The Mirror took down the article

19 Feb

Dna tests to determine if 13-year-old Alfie Patten is the father of a baby cannot be made public, a judge ruled yesterday.

stevento

Mar 27, 2009, 12:00 AM

In all honesty I think the last thing either of these two children (because, after all, that's what they are) need is to be taken to court on some sex assault charge.

A very sad story all round.

Ok, I'm going to be totally crass and talk about african american culture as it applies here. There is a stereotype that most black people lose their virginity very very early.

example: Lil' Wayne: I lost my virginity at age 11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogg-CldOPos)
I'm black and went to an all black middle school. There were guys in the locker room who talked about having sex in 6th and 7th grade. Obviously most kids at that age are totally full of crap when they brag about that kind of stuff. But when I was in 7th grade we people come give talks about safe sex. I don't think I'd go as far as to say most kids at that age were sexually active, but some were.

and might i add, i don't know how anyone of any age can be sexually attracted to someone who looks like he is 8 years old.

Chip NoVaMac

Mar 27, 2009, 12:03 AM

This (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/02/19/schoolboy-dad-alfie-patten-dna-tests-to-be-secret-115875-21135044/) may be the reason The Mirror took down the article

I guess like some of the American press; we need to take caution on some of the British press as well. :)

Still hopes he is the standup guy that we seems to have been hearing about.

Chip NoVaMac

Mar 27, 2009, 12:13 AM

I'm black and went to an all black middle school. There were guys in the locker room who talked about having sex in 6th and 7th grade. Obviously most kids at that age are totally full of crap when they brag about that kind of stuff.

I went that in 8th and 9th grade. How I lead in to my 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th year girlfriends. Was just trying to fit in I see now...

and might i add, i don't know how anyone of any age can be sexually attracted to someone who looks like he is 8 years old.

At their ages it COULD be possible. Sad, but true....

mkrishnan

Mar 27, 2009, 08:00 AM

This (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/02/19/schoolboy-dad-alfie-patten-dna-tests-to-be-secret-115875-21135044/) may be the reason The Mirror took down the article

Ahhh, I saw some headlines that said that, which seemed odd considering the other headlines.

sushi

Mar 27, 2009, 08:07 AM

He's as old as my car :eek::eek: N-reg.
I've clothes older than him!

Weird story ... and sad.

mkrishnan

Mar 27, 2009, 08:49 AM

Apparently the moral of the story is that xUKHCx needs a new car and Soosh needs a wardrobe update? :D

northy124

Mar 27, 2009, 08:52 AM

So I take it, at 15 years old, her having sex with a 13 year old is not statutory rape in England?
There is a general 2 year rule with people 13 and up...

(It isn't a law, just a rule people have, IDK where it came from though).

Consultant

Mar 27, 2009, 09:31 PM

Wow. Quite a turn of events. I wonder if he "will still be there"?

Originally, Chantelle Stedman told Alfie Patten, who was 12 when he slept with her, he was her newborn daughter Maisie's father...

What's with underage kids making baby in the United Kingdom?

NOW:
"A DNA test showed a 13-year-old boy in Britain is not the father of a baby born to a 15-year-old he had unprotected sex with once."
http://www.geekologie.com/2009/03/alfie_patten_you_arenot_the_fa.php

PREVIOUSLY:
SCHOOLBOY Alfie Patten wore a personalised hoodie yesterday defiantly declaring he is baby Maisie’s father.

The 13-year-old — devastated after other teens claimed they were the dad — displayed the message: 'I’m the daddy, if not ****** you all I’ll still be there.'
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2250059.ece

ORIGINALLY:
She claimed he is the father. They had sex when he was 12. He said he'll try to be a good father.

I guess it's Celebration dance time! (not releated but lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpYTOBHMKKg

Peace

Mar 27, 2009, 09:35 PM

Good grief. He should be relieved.

iJohnHenry

Mar 27, 2009, 09:53 PM

Nice to see this thread resurrected.

But the poor lad is obviously smitten with this "slut", which is sad for sure.

Some kids want to grow-up far to fast. Perhaps his own home life has him longing for something better??

Consultant

Mar 27, 2009, 10:09 PM

Sounds like a Episode from The Simpsons where Bart's girlfriend is having a baby and claimed that Bart is the father.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Big_Girl

If that kid is the father then I'm Mary Poppins.

No, they are both under 16. If she was 16 at the time of conceiving then it would be rape.

What hurts is that I just knew it was going to be a UK story before I even clicked on the link :(

Good call. You are right. LOL.
Guess there won't be a chance to call you Mary Poppins... =p

She looks quite old for 15, he looks young for 13. It's almost as if she could be the mother of both of them.

I don't like this. No sir.

Actually, if this new development didn't happen, she was going to collect welfare at 16, but since he is not of age, she WOULD BE HER MOM in the legal perspective and would be caring for 2 minors.

This thread is pointless without a paternity test.

She's got hitched up with some 20 year old - got pregnant, panics, finds some kid from school and jumps him so her older boyfriend doesn't go down for rape. Then, get in the tabloids, bag a few grand for it, give it up for adoption a few weeks later. Seriously - he doesn't look old enough to be out after dinner. It's very very very suspicious.

Well I guess someone didn't got any afternoon sex yet?
You CAN have sex any time of the day you know. =p

I guess it takes someone who lives in the UK to know what's possible, as that the 13 year old didn't do it.

edesignuk

May 19, 2009, 03:00 AM

Boy aged 12 did not father baby

Alfie Patten, the boy who was reported to have conceived a child when he was 12 years old, is not the baby's father, DNA tests have shown.

Alfie, now 13, from Eastbourne, in East Sussex, told a national newspaper in February that he believed he had made his 15-year-old girlfriend pregnant.

But the tests have established another boy from Eastbourne, who is 15, as the father of Chantelle Stedman's baby.

The results of the DNA tests have been made public following a judge's ruling.

The judgement also reveals that Alfie was "extremely distressed" about the results of the test.

Pictures of Alfie, holding the baby he believed to be his newborn daughter, caused a furore when they were published in the Sun in February and renewed calls for better sex education in Britain.

Politicians were moved to speak out about the case.

Tory leader David Cameron said he found the sight of "children having children" extremely worrying.

And Children's Secretary Ed Balls said it was an "awful" and "unusual" case. BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8056700.stm).

djellison

May 19, 2009, 03:07 AM

As I predicted. Prepubescent children don't tend to be fathers. The entire thing is a tragic story rotating around a tragic slut.

yg17

May 19, 2009, 10:22 AM

Wow, what a tramp.

At least in the UK, DNA test results are made public by the decision of a judge. In the US, DNA test results are made public by Maury Povich.

Although I bet our way is more entertaining :D

mactastic

May 19, 2009, 11:09 AM

Unspoken Demise

May 19, 2009, 11:14 AM

First things first -- this totally reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Bart thinks he impregnated his older girlfriend because they kissed while holding hands.

Now, that said, did I miss something, or is there proof that this girl is sleeping around with anyone and everyone? Does having sex with two different people make you a slut and a tramp these days? Would y'all say the same about a guy who'd had sex with two different women?

From what I have read from sources, she is pretty much the villiage bicycle. Everyone has had a ride. I think over 4 boys came forth saying they could be the father as well. No, I don't have a link. Thats what I remember reading though. She slept around.

Why they slept with that? Couldn't tell ya.

mactastic

May 19, 2009, 11:25 AM

From what I have read from sources, she is pretty much the villiage bicycle. Everyone has had a ride. I think over 4 boys came forth saying they could be the father as well. No, I don't have a link. Thats what I remember reading though. She slept around.

Why they slept with that? Couldn't tell ya.
Fair enough. I was just wondering whether the name-calling had a basis in fact, or if it was a product of our sexual double-standards.

Unspoken Demise

May 19, 2009, 11:28 AM

Fair enough. I was just wondering whether the name-calling had a basis in fact, or if it was a product of our sexual double-standards.

No, I dont think it was said in a bias manner. However, to her defense, those guys could have been coming forth because they wanted a slice of the publicity.

Hehe. Coming.

yg17

May 19, 2009, 12:05 PM

Why they slept with that? Couldn't tell ya.

Because they're all young teens and will stick it in just about anything that'll let them?

I don't know how much it counts though, at that point it's probably more like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.

Unspoken Demise

May 19, 2009, 12:10 PM

Because they're all young teens and will stick it in just about anything that'll let them?

I don't know how much it counts though, at that point it's probably more like throwing a hot dog down a hallway.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u264/wettner/hotdoghallway.jpg
hehe