Amazing deal for a REV B on ebay

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This is one of those "too good to be true" deals..

Rev B 1.6 for new in sealed box for $1199 and apparatnly has a bunch of them.

Full paypal coverage up to $2k

I bought one, I'll let ya know how it turns out.

I am in no way affiliated with this listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Apple-MacBook-Air-1-6-GHz-2-GB-RAM-120GB_W0QQitemZ120380743912QQcmdZViewItemQQptZApple_Laptops?hash=item120380743912&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A4%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A200

[DAMAC3]

This is one of those "too good to be true" deals..

Rev B 1.6 for new in sealed box for $1199 and apparatnly has a bunch of them.

Full paypal coverage up to $2k

I bought one, I'll let ya know how it turns out.

I am in no way affiliated with this listing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Apple-MacBook-Air-1-6-GHz-2-GB-RAM-120GB_W0QQitemZ120380743912QQcmdZViewItemQQptZApple_Laptops?hash=item120380743912&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234%7C66%3A4%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A200


I bought a revB 1.86/120 on eBay and ended up paying less than that, but it wasn't new and it ended up having a couple scratches on the end of the lid.

As an eBay buyer/seller junkie, I would consider a couple things when thinking about buying that.

1. If you are paying with paypal, you will probably be safe. Paypal sides with the buyer about 95% of the time in my experience if you don't receive what you are supposed to and try to return the item.

2. Make sure this MBA is eligible for the Apple warranty. These units may not come with an Apple warranty whatsoever. I would ask about that for sure. I'm not sure what Apple's policy is, but most manufacturers have items out there considered B grade that are not covered under the normal 1 year warranty. You definately won't have a warranty if these units were stolen, and you run the risk of having your MBA confiscated by the police. Hopefully, you would be protected by paypal in this situation, but it would be a mess and take time to get your money back.


The guy has good feedback, so I would be willing to take a chance on it. But I wouldn't blame anyone who wouldn't go that.

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I'm an ebay junky and powerseller as well..

This auction doesn't have any of the usual red flags... except that the guy has 2 separate listings for the same item (2 listings for the same MBA and MBP) showing "more then 10 available" and he doesn't seem to have sold anything in the last 90 days.

I'm not too worried as paypal should cover it if this guy flakes.

[mikey28]

Out of curiosity, where could he possibly get MBA's and be able to sell them that cheap? And have 10 of them?

I can only think that they are possibly stolen?

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He actually had 40 of them..

If you click on purchases it will tell you how many are left.. last I checked he sold 5 between the two auctions with 18 remaining on one and 17 on the other.

This should be interesting.

[HLdan]

I wouldn't get a Macbook on Ebay. What if you get one with a dead pixel or a dent and screen problems or a bad logic board? Then you have to deal with the seller and hope for an exchange IF he has one, IF he will exchange it as he may tell you to take it up with Apple.
When I'm spending this type of money I want things to be hassle free if I get a defective one.

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I wouldn't get a Macbook on Ebay. What if you get one with a dead pixel or a dent and screen problems or a bad logic board? Then you have to deal with the seller and hope for an exchange IF he has one, IF he will exchange it as he may tell you to take it up with Apple.
When I'm spending this type of money I want things to be hassle free if I get a defective one.

If they aren't stolen, any apple store will handle all problems under warranty except damage on delivery. In that case you would be covered by paypal.

[uicandrew]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=637499

and

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=637330

i took a chance and got "burned" (i did get my money back, eventually) with the $1500 unibody macbook pro

the above threads was actually more credible than your since my seller actively was selling things and receiving feedback (for non-macbook items) while I was waiting for my macbook pro to show up.

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the one really bad thing i hate about these auctions is that it hurts other legitimate sellers because it drives down the price that buyers expect to pay. they have to sell it for less because they are competing with non-existent items.

helpful hint to the OP (even experienced ebay people learn things), IMMEDIATELY submit a request for personal information (they already have your personal information since you gave them your shipping address) and call them up and/or use google white pages to search for their information. It's easier to scam a person when you only have contact via email.

[dborja]

I wouldn't get a Macbook on Ebay. What if you get one with a dead pixel or a dent and screen problems or a bad logic board? Then you have to deal with the seller and hope for an exchange IF he has one, IF he will exchange it as he may tell you to take it up with Apple.
When I'm spending this type of money I want things to be hassle free if I get a defective one.

As long as it's still under warranty, issues like dead pixels and bad logic boards will be taken care of by Apple. For dent's, though, and other physical damage make sure you see enough pictures in the description; save the pictures so that if there's a bait and switch you have evidence... I've sold Macs that I've replaced on eBay and I make sure to provide enough pictures to show their physical conditions. I also spell out the warranty situation.

[Tastannin]

Well, I got my rev B 1.6/120GB HDD MBA for $1529 from MacMall, it was an open box and they seem to still have them here (http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?Redir=1&description=Apple%2D13%2E3%22+MacBook+Air+1%2E6GHz+2GB+RAM+120GB+HD+9400M+%2D+Aluminum+%28Open+Box+P roduct%2C+Limited+Availability%2C+No+Back+Orders%29%2DMacBook+Air&dpno=7740089). Ordered mine early this month, and got it - it's perfect. Running the S/N by Apple's online check says its warranty began 12/30/08. I was still able to get the $9.95 iLife '09 upgrade anyways.

My net price for this MBA will be approx $1400 after I get my Live.com Cashback in several weeks. :D I saw some of those eBay sellers and just thought I'd rather go through a regular Apple dealer. However MacMall wasn't very good about letting me know the status of my order (after the initial confirmation email) and I had to call in twice to confirm it'd be delivered the next day, which indeed did happen.

[garfield2002]

I'm not saying that this is the case for this auction, but the way this scam works is that a third party uses a stolen credit card to make the purchase directly from Apple.

All is good until the card owner finds out about the fraudulent charges. At that point many things can happen most of which cost time and money.

I had this happen to me on an HP laser printer purchased from eBay. The brand new printer arrived quickly and was shipped directly to me from HP. A month later I got a call from a business in Arizona saying that the printer had been purchased on their credit card and shipped to me in Maryland. They got my name and address directly from HP.

To make a long story short, I returned the printer directly to HP. HP credited back the money to the business in AZ. It was a happy ending only because the business in AZ cut me a check for my eBay purchase price because I cooperated and helped them recover their money.

The eBay seller had great feedback. I found out later that he was a long time eBay seller who had come on hard times. He answered one of those get rich quick using eBay ads. Essentially he used his good eBay name to make the sales, and then sent most of the money to a third party "supplier," in this case overseas. The "supplier" would then use the stolen credit card to make the purchase online and send it to the eBay buyer. Hence the term triangulation.

This auction looks very familiar to the one from my ill fated purchase, but I wish you the best. :cool:

[bigjnyc]

That looks quite tempting but the fact that he doesnt have feedback in 90 days is making me kind of weary. The paypal protection is good but doesnt paypal just try to get the money from the seller and if he moves the money out of his account right away you'll be battling with 20 other people to get your money back.

please keep us posted i would definitely get one at this price if it's legit.

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I requested the contact info as suggested above and the phone number goes directly to a sprint pcs voicemail using the pre-recorded standard greeting..

Tick tock tick tock.. :)

That looks quite tempting but the fact that he doesnt have feedback in 90 days is making me kind of weary. The paypal protection is good but doesnt paypal just try to get the money from the seller and if he moves the money out of his account right away you'll be battling with 20 other people to get your money back.

You're covered by paypal if they recover from the sell or not. You're not fighting it out with anyone.

I googled the phone number and apparently the guy used to sell cars on ebay. This is starting to stink a little.

[uicandrew]

The paypal protection is good but doesnt paypal just try to get the money from the seller and if he moves the money out of his account right away you'll be battling with 20 other people to get your money back.

please keep us posted i would definitely get one at this price if it's legit.

paypal has changed it's policy. before, if the seller withdrew their money, then you would have to fight over remains.

now they are much more buyer friendly.

i would start googling with the seller's name and zip code to find a white pages address. as long as his name isn't john smith, you should be able to find the right person.

also, report the seller's contact info as being incorrect to ebay. it will get ebay on their case and hopefully push the them to the "unregistered with ebay" status.

please glance the threads i posted above. It is the EXACT same thing happening all over again.

[macPlayer15]

Guys just ask for the serial number of the laptop, then go to apples website and type it in, it will tell you when it was built, warranty info etc. You can even call apple and give them the serial and they will tell you if it is reported stolen or not.

[tubbymac]

Wish the moderators would remove all threads with ebay links. They all end up being just a dragged out scam every time and waste people's time.

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It's getting a little stinkier..

I sent an email asking when he's going to ship and got this reply:

usally we ship whitin 3 days after payment confirm , we shipping via priority mail, we will do our best to get your item shipped by tomorow , thanks for contact us and best regards !

Ya know, maybe he's just not a native English speaker.. lol

I replied asking why his phone number doesn't work...

[mikey28]

We really need to think about the way we do things.

I know that there is going to be something fishy about a laptop that is FAR below the sticker price. And we all know what a Rev B MBA COSTS, and we know that it's not currently on SALE.

And you know it too.

These scams only work with greedy/impulsive customers.

(I hope paypal comes through for you, because that's alot of hard-earned money to loose-- but you should have known better.)

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I'm really not worried.. I paid via paypal with a credit card.. I'm doubly protected.. I won't lose a cent.

[Mactagonist]

Hasnt sold anything in 90 days, and suddenly has 50 Macbook Airs at below market prices?

As 'experienced ebayers' (whatever that means) you dont think this stinks? Come on. It is either grey market goods or a classic hijacked account.

Jumping into something like this just because your paypal and credit card will protect you is like crashing your car just because you have insurance. You will probably get most of the money back in the end, but it isnt an easy or fun process and it doesnt mean you should ignore common sense.

EDIT:

Just looked at the link and he has no actual pics of the items, no return policy and only offers USPS shipping (worst tracking of the big 3). Add no history of selling laptops before and I think this deal stinks.

[robeddie]

We really need to think about the way we do things.

I know that there is going to be something fishy about a laptop that is FAR below the sticker price. And we all know what a Rev B MBA COSTS, and we know that it's not currently on SALE.

And you know it too.

These scams only work with greedy/impulsive customers.

(I hope paypal comes through for you, because that's alot of hard-earned money to loose-- but you should have known better.)

agreed

[ntrigue]

I got my 1.86SSD on eBay for $1995 and it was 100% BRAND NEW and has worked flawlessly for 4 months now :)

[Scottsdale]

You know, the whole eBay & PayPal system TOGETHER is pretty darn safe.

I sold my original MBA a week before the revised model was announced. The buyer was a lady with NO FEEDBACK. I followed the PayPal seller guarantee exactly. I kept the receipt from USPS which showed insurance, delivery signature, and etc. This lady received it and left me positive feedback, too.

Well, a month later PayPal put a hold on the money. Apparently the buyer was a fraud and her bank didn't cover the funds... within 10 business days PayPal had covered it on my end with the eBay & PayPal seller guarantee. I had already withdrawn the money from PayPal into my checking account. So, PayPal put a negative balance on my PayPal account until their investigation completed in ten days. Had I not had the USPS information, I may had lost the case. But, this system is pretty safe as a seller as long as you follow the PayPal rules... which don't worry about buyer feedback...

As a buyer, you have an excellent guarantee on purchases like this. Here is another thing, USE A CREDIT CARD. Then, you have two methods of guarantee that your money is safe. If you do not get exactly the item described, PayPal will refund your money! And the proof is in the auction details. Many years ago I bought a Dell on eBay stated as "brand new" and it was an open box when I received it, otherwise was perfect... But, in the auction it said "sealed box." So, I didn't know if maybe something had happened to it and was repaired or whatever. The seller didn't want to accept the refund... So, I sent it to PayPal and they credited my account for the entire amount, shipping and handling and insurance all refunded as well. If PayPal ever fails you, the credit card is a big one... Credit Card companies guarantee your purchase as well. But, I would doubt seriously that PayPal would ever not side with you.

Now, if you deal eBay with NO PAYPAL, NO WAY! Or, if you deal via PayPal without eBay, NO WAY! Either way you can lose. So, with the pairing of eBay and PayPal you are like 100% safe... as long as it describes the item as BRAND NEW and SEALED BOX. Those two statements guarantee just that. PayPal and eBay require exact statements like those... A few years ago, eBay, for this very reason, stopped allowing people to use statements "like new or like brand new" and etc. It's either used or new. If used, you are taking more of a risk... than if it's BRAND NEW in SEALED BOX.

I would do it in a minute if I were you. As long as you buy on eBay, you buy from a user with many positive feedbacks, you buy from an eBay page describing the item as BRAND NEW and SEALED BOX... and you pay via PayPal ONLY! You are guaranteed to get what you paid for.

If it turns out to be stolen, guess what, GUARANTEE from PayPal!

You are covered every way. These sellers have many reasons for selling at discounts. And sometimes, their whole profit is shipping and handling and etc. The most you are ever going to lose is a short period of time of having the money held on your PayPal account.

[Consultant]

I'm really not worried.. I paid via paypal with a credit card.. I'm doubly protected.. I won't lose a cent.

Any multiple auctions of multiple products are suspicious.
I bet you a dollar that he will add more multi units of laptops soon.

People falling for scams will only profit scammers and result in higher auction fees.

[kinkster]

"you can call me at 3054918278 my name ruben z , also you can hold with your buying till youll see some other happy costumer , thanks and best regards!"


Is that the number others got? I also asked him how he gets them so cheap because I "was worried its a scam" but he didn't answer. Possibly this is understandable as we know there is some loop hole which people have to get cheap iPhones and sell them at $500 etc on ebay(one guy here does it actually but doesn't say how)

[travis64]

scam dont even waste your time

[DjAmTraX]

You guys are all haters. Just because you paid too much for your Air you think anything less is a scam. Please..... Not all GREAT deals are scams. I got all my Macs and almost everything A/V gear off eBay and not one has failed.

With that said, you still have to be very careful. MacBooks are HOT and scammers know they can make quick cash. IMO, the listing you mentioned is a bit fishy. Too many MacBooks and no recent history (at all). I look for recent feedbacks on MacBook sales. If no MacBooks or only one or two, I stay away. There is a listing now on a MacBook Pro 2.5ghz (MB471LL/A) for $1950. Seller has high feedback numbers (1602 @ 99.9%), BUT no MacBooks. All sales under $500. Hum....

Just do your homework and you'll be fine. There are good sellers out there. You just have to find them.

[bigjnyc]

"you can call me at 3054918278 my name ruben z , also you can hold with your buying till youll see some other happy costumer , thanks and best regards!"


Is that the number others got? I also asked him how he gets them so cheap because I "was worried its a scam" but he didn't answer. Possibly this is understandable as we know there is some loop hole which people have to get cheap iPhones and sell them at $500 etc on ebay(one guy here does it actually but doesn't say how)

That doesnt really mean much, my friend was scammed on ebay last year really badly and the scammer gave him a number and even spoke to him on the phone to reassure him that his package was on its way, and that they had delays with shipping. It was something similar to this where the person was selling 25 ipod touches. He even had positive feedback on some of the ipods which i assume were some of his other accounts or his partners in crime. anyhow at the end of the day it turned out he had hacked into someone else's account and sold a bunch of these mass auctions before he was caught. back then paypal insurance was different, you only got your money back if they were able to recover it from the seller. And as you can probably guess the money was taken out of the paypal account and dissapeared as soon as it was deposited, with 50+ people submitting claims only a few got their money back. I see things are different now and paypal will refund your money at their loss i guess, I dont know how tedious the process will be though.

That being said there are alot of good deals on ebay so i'm not one to jump on the "its a scam" bandwagon and if the OP comes back and says he got his machine as promised and i see positive feedback from a few people i will definitely get one. I mean at that price you can buy it, use it for a while and sell it used for the same price :D

[mikey28]

You guys are all haters. Just because you paid too much for your Air you think anything less is a scam.
With that said, you still have to be very careful. MacBooks are HOT and scammers know they can make quick cash. IMO, the listing you mentioned is a bit fishy. Too many MacBooks and no recent history (at all).

Wait a minute. We're not hating.

You just said yourself that the deal sounded "fishy". OK, well that's what we are saying....

[frogcat]

While we're still on topic about most deals being too good to be true.

If you are in the Austin area, you might want to consider this "too good to be true listing." I am in no way promoting this ad:

http://austin.craigslist.org/ele/1042219991.html


I'm pretty disappointed that I just bought an Air for 1400 thinking I got a good deal. I'm a student as well, so that was a lot of money for me. Do you guys think this is a scam?

[tubbymac]

I'd never trust craigslist if there was shipping involved. But if that dude agreed to a local meetup where you could see the machine in person and look it over for problems before you bought it, that would be an amazing deal.

Obviously you'd need to take the necessary precautions. Don't just arrive with a wad of cash or you're setting yourself up for a mugging, heh.

[darrellishere]

I'm waiting for my rev b air to arrive off ebay today. Should be here, seemed above board, and for £880 on ebay.co.uk!
Not sure how he got the air? Hope its not stolen, as I want to register apple care, just in case it got those dammed lines or lose keys!
Cross my fingers it's factory sealed as he stated! Looks it from the photo. However, the thought of it originally being bought on a stolen credit card scares me, slightly. (I doubt it, but judging on the info in this fred, you can never be sure! Of anything!!!!

All though he did say original prof of purchase would come along with it :)

[Thetacoking2]

Well, it sounds like when you call the guy he is a foreigner, as you can tell in his emails that he sends. He said one to two business days. I guess we will have to see what happens. He does answer the phone though, so thats encouraging. Just wanted to give you guys an update as to what someone is going through.

[frogcat]

I'd never trust craigslist if there was shipping involved. But if that dude agreed to a local meetup where you could see the machine in person and look it over for problems before you bought it, that would be an amazing deal.

Obviously you'd need to take the necessary precautions. Don't just arrive with a wad of cash or you're setting yourself up for a mugging, heh.

Yeah, Austin has a large following on craigslist though. I use it for a lot of electronics purchases, and I can usually filter out the scammer. But this guy posted his phone, and that's a local number. Quite an anomaly why he would sell it so cheap.

[Scottsdale]

You guys are all haters. Just because you paid too much for your Air you think anything less is a scam. Please..... Not all GREAT deals are scams. I got all my Macs and almost everything A/V gear off eBay and not one has failed.

With that said, you still have to be very careful. MacBooks are HOT and scammers know they can make quick cash. IMO, the listing you mentioned is a bit fishy. Too many MacBooks and no recent history (at all). I look for recent feedbacks on MacBook sales. If no MacBooks or only one or two, I stay away. There is a listing now on a MacBook Pro 2.5ghz (MB471LL/A) for $1950. Seller has high feedback numbers (1602 @ 99.9%), BUT no MacBooks. All sales under $500. Hum....

Just do your homework and you'll be fine. There are good sellers out there. You just have to find them.


Agreed. There are many of us, ME INCLUDED that paid way too much for an MBA. Had I not needed it as a business computer, I may have gone the cheap route. For me, I couldn't deal with any nonsense... but, there are great deals to be had for those willing to take the time. And if you go the eBay and pay via PayPal, you're not going to be out money in the end as long as you follow the guidelines for safe shopping.

People think everything is a scam, when the truth is there are just a lot of good deals from honest people who need to sell and just wants to make a few bucks.

I would NOT send any product/money to a Craig's List sale/purchase. Those scammers have all of the tricks there. It is much more difficult to scam on eBay and the end result is a loss to PayPal or eBay and not you as the safe buyer. My rule is PayPal and eBay together is safe. PayPal by itself is NOT safe. Way too many scams there.

[DjAmTraX]

While we're still on topic about most deals being too good to be true.

If you are in the Austin area, you might want to consider this "too good to be true listing." I am in no way promoting this ad:

http://austin.craigslist.org/ele/1042219991.html


I'm pretty disappointed that I just bought an Air for 1400 thinking I got a good deal. I'm a student as well, so that was a lot of money for me. Do you guys think this is a scam?

I would skip that CL deal.

I brought my Air on eBay for $1100 new! So not all killer deals are scrams.

[DjAmTraX]

Wait a minute. We're not hating.

You just said yourself that the deal sounded "fishy". OK, well that's what we are saying....

I'm not hating on all great deals. I feel that this one should be passed.

[Tastannin]

Yup, my gut says it's most likely a scam or someone trying to unload a bad deal from that website he mentions on some poor fool thinking theyre getting a great deal. Many "too good to be true" deals on CL are bait and switch types - and the very least they'll get your email addy to sell to spammers if you respond via email.

He may just have a cr*pload of money and not care he is losing almost half the retail value of the MBA when selling it, or just needs the cash fast. LOL. Buyer beware!!

While we're still on topic about most deals being too good to be true.

If you are in the Austin area, you might want to consider this "too good to be true listing." I am in no way promoting this ad:

http://austin.craigslist.org/ele/1042219991.html


I'm pretty disappointed that I just bought an Air for 1400 thinking I got a good deal. I'm a student as well, so that was a lot of money for me. Do you guys think this is a scam?

[travis64]

some1 got 10 of em

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=120380750479


he got his ebay accont hacked its easy to tell

[OnceBitten]

Now he has MBP's.

[mac jones]

I'm really not worried.. I paid via paypal with a credit card.. I'm doubly protected.. I won't lose a cent.


That's good cuz this is a rip-off

THe 'red flag' that the obove poster said isn't there is there.......the MULTIPLE LISTING.

There's no incentive for a crook to hijack a account and sell just a single laptop

They will invariably sell a bunch.

This is a hijacked account. How do I know?

the cliche...that's how.

What cliche you ask?...........;)

[robeddie]

That's good cuz this is a rip-off

THe 'red flag' that the obove poster said isn't there is there.......the MULTIPLE LISTING.
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What cliche you ask?...........;)

Jeeze dude. Can you write in any more of a circuitous fashion?

[kinkster]

As you can see from my sig, I'm currently selling a Rev. A on ebay.

I got someone asking about shipping to Indonesia. I told them it would be $50 and they'd have to pay before I send it. They have I think 12 feedback and member since 05. They sent me back and offer for $1500 shipped, I said yes(we'll do it through ebay, not straight paypal)

It seems like I couldn't possibly be scammed or anything if they clear their payment and the monies sitting in my PayPal..but Im still suspicious of anyone over seas haha.

Any input on this? I know its a bit off topic but I don't want to make another thread just for this.

[OnceBitten]

I asked him to see them in person, I have a trip to lauderdale next week. to the seller above, those are 999.00 new in the refurb shop?

[Thetacoking2]

If you could let us know, I actually have an address on the guy cause of the click'n'ship usps thing. I would really want to know if its a scam or not.

[bbotte]

I'm really not worried.. I paid via paypal with a credit card.. I'm doubly protected.. I won't lose a cent.

last time I entered a credit Card, PayPal makes you confirm that using a CREDIT CARD with PayPal, you lose the right of the Credit Cards recourse to recover payment. Might want to check into that.....

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Well..I woke up to a USPS click & ship notification this morning as well.

So the question now is will a "new and sealed" macbook air fit in a USPS large priority mail flat rate box?

I guess we'll know by Monday.. I hope its not a phone book or a box of rocks. :D

[bigjnyc]

Well..I woke up to a USPS click & ship notification this morning as well.

So the question now is will a "new and sealed" macbook air fit in a USPS large priority mail flat rate box?

I guess we'll know by Monday.. I hope its not a phone book or a box of rocks. :D

this is getting juicy lol :D

If he actually goes through with shipping a box stuffed with phonebook then this guy is a pro lol, Most scammers dont even bother to ship anything.

[OnceBitten]

Dude I wish you the best, I hope it works as I will also buy one.

[McGilli]

"you can call me at 3054918278 my name ruben z , also you can hold with your buying till youll see some other happy costumer , thanks and best regards!"




Just keep in mind that even Nigerian 419 scammers will give you a phone number so you can speak to them and they will reassure you your money is safe.....

[Thetacoking2]

All right, I looked up the dimensions of the Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Box and it doesn't look good. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=1260 here is the dimensions of the macbook air box. Its short abotu an inch. This isnt looking good at all. Maybe I'm wrong?

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Well, that is a Rev A box.. :D

trying to stay positive here ;)

[OnceBitten]

All right, I looked up the dimensions of the Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Box and it doesn't look good. http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=1260 here is the dimensions of the macbook air box. Its short abotu an inch. This isnt looking good at all. Maybe I'm wrong?
I have shipped a MBA in the box, it can be adjusted to fit perfect, lots of tape is the key! It does fit, so do not worry, Mine was a Rev B that I shipped!Its about 1/2 inch short, but if you pack it right it does fit shipped mine two weeks ago :)


The seller is Israeli, but most are in Miami, that sell Electronics, ...

[Consultant]

Now he has MBP's.

Yup. I guess the MBA is the most recent posting.


Well, that is a Rev A box.. :D

trying to stay positive here ;)

NO. Scam. Scam. Scam. Scam. Scam.

So somehow someone got his hand onto $50,000 of products?

10x $1200
10x $2000
10x $2000

Somehow all auctions ending around the same time.
Think about it and read the other threads on scams. :rolleyes:

[OnceBitten]

Yup. I guess the MBA is the most recent posting.




NO. Scam. Scam. Scam. Scam. Scam.

So somehow someone got his hand onto $50,000 of products?

10x $1200
10x $2000
10x $2000

Somehow all auctions ending around the same time.
Think about it and read the other threads on scams. :rolleyes:

Really more then that a closed action, had a guy who bought 10, I think he will have a hard time to collect from paypal

More like 100K

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=120380750479

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The guy requires instant payment.. if the guy didn't pay then the purchase wouldn't complete.

[Thetacoking2]

It is a immediate payment. I read all the other threads, I just think that I am protected enough by PayPal and eBay. I hope it works out, thanks for the reassurance about the box, lol. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens. I looked up the address he sent, it is a real business, an odd business to ship from, but the phone number doesn't work :(

[Consultant]

It is a immediate payment. I read all the other threads, I just think that I am protected enough by PayPal and eBay. I hope it works out, thanks for the reassurance about the box, lol. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens. I looked up the address he sent, it is a real business, an odd business to ship from, but the phone number doesn't work :(

Stop falling for scams. More info:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=648322

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Easy cowboy... while it may look like it, we still don't know yet...

[Thetacoking2]

Stop falling for scams. More info:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=648322

"Stop" would imply I fell for them before. I am an educated consumer and took a calculated risk. I do not appreciate your negativity towards something that is not even complete or shown it to be a scam. Not all great deals are scams. Unlike the other one you linked to, he accepts paypal with a verified seller. Bugout, I hope it goes well for you as I hope it does for me. /end rant

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And yes.. I'm the same bugout on the iphone dev team.. so I'm not an idiot...

thanks thetacoking2... lets just wait and see.. It'll be a long weekend! :)

[mac jones]

"Stop" would imply I fell for them before. I am an educated consumer and took a calculated risk. I do not appreciate your negativity towards something that is not even complete or shown it to be a scam. Not all great deals are scams. Unlike the other one you linked to, he accepts paypal with a verified seller. Bugout, I hope it goes well for you as I hope it does for me. /end rant


but

How could an item be sold for less than cost (this must be less than cost).

Even if it was closeout it wouldn't be this cheap, and these are new.

The only possible answer besides rip-off is that they are stolen which first of all is very unlikely, and then if they were you wouldn't want them (I hope)

[Scottsdale]

As long as you pay via PayPal, your money is 100% SAFE! The whole eBay and PayPal method protects the buyers... and sellers too.

If it somehow is a scam, you will get your money back from PayPal. It's a pretty good guarantee.

Good luck.

[mac jones]

As long as you pay via PayPal, your money is 100% SAFE! The whole eBay and PayPal method protects the buyers... and sellers too.

If it somehow is a scam, you will get your money back from PayPal. It's a pretty good guarantee.

Good luck.

That's a bad outlook. You don't want to encourage crime and you certainly don't want finance scam artists.

Best to use your brain. (it's cheaper) :D

[OnceBitten]

I hope its true, I have seen many sellers have to good to be true, prices that are true.

[Thetacoking2]

but

How could an item be sold for less than cost (this must be less than cost).

Even if it was closeout it wouldn't be this cheap, and these are new.

The only possible answer besides rip-off is that they are stolen which first of all is very unlikely, and then if they were you wouldn't want them (I hope)

We do not know the actual cost of an Apple computer, just approximations. Take a look at their yearly and quarterly profits. They are astounding considering how many computers they sell, which is a small part of the whole computer segment. Thats how it could be sold at less than "cost". There is one answer to that question. They (Apple) does not sell "wholesell" to their authorized dealers, thats why they pass the buck to us. I dont care how he got them, as long as they are legit. I think that people have done more odd and stupid things then this one before, so its not unheard of.

[OnceBitten]

It is a immediate payment. I read all the other threads, I just think that I am protected enough by PayPal and eBay. I hope it works out, thanks for the reassurance about the box, lol. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens. I looked up the address he sent, it is a real business, an odd business to ship from, but the phone number doesn't work :(
Phone number works perfect called this AM and again after reading your post.

[Thetacoking2]

Phone number works perfect called this AM and again after reading your post.

Was anything said that was encouraging? I am reaching out for more hope that this is real, as it would save me so much money, lol.

[OnceBitten]

Was anything said that was encouraging? I am reaching out for more hope that this is real, as it would save me so much money, lol.
He answered the phone (yea!)
I asked him about the macbooks, (in hebrew) he called Yoshi, He did not know I understand hebrew, He said his feedback should start coming in this weekend, so I asked if i could stop by and buy a few he said yes.. so I told him I would be down next week, so we will see what happens Monday.

[Scottsdale]

That's a bad outlook. You don't want to encourage crime and you certainly don't want finance scam artists.

Best to use your brain. (it's cheaper) :D

I have been both buyer and seller with eBay and PayPal combination. PayPal guarantees the transaction WHEN BUYING AT EBAY. I agree, PayPal without eBay can lose your money in a hurry. The best way to buy is on eBay, never Craig's List, and pay via Credit Card through PayPal. That's a three way guarantee. And, ONLY if it's advertised as Brand New and Sealed Box.

Cheers.

[macPlayer15]

Like i said before, if you want to know if he actually has the macbooks and if they are NOT stollen, ask for the serial number of the machine, then check it on apples site.

[OnceBitten]

Like i said before, if you want to know if he actually has the macbooks and if they are NOT stollen, ask for the serial number of the machine, then check it on apples site.

I would not give out a serial number, most will not.
:cool::cool:

[mac jones]

STAY AWAY FORM THIS!!!

MASSIVE MULTIPLES ALERT

These fellow are looking at 50K US in one haul.

They seem to know the ropes also.

[OnceBitten]

STAY AWAY FORM THIS!!!

MASSIVE MULTIPLES ALERT

These fellow are looking at 50K US in one haul.

They seem to know the ropes also.Guess you didn't read the thread, they already paid and are waiting to see what happens>>>>

[mikey28]

I have been both buyer and seller with eBay and PayPal combination. PayPal guarantees the transaction WHEN BUYING AT EBAY. I agree, PayPal without eBay can lose your money in a hurry. The best way to buy is on eBay, never Craig's List, and pay via Credit Card through PayPal. That's a three way guarantee. And, ONLY if it's advertised as Brand New and Sealed Box.

Cheers.

I understand your premise, but there's something wrong here

1. If you get the feeling something is shady--refrain from involving yourself, just because someone else will foot the bill. It only supports the scammers, and encourages them

2. Why go through the DRAMA of having to track down your money?

[misterpasta]

Mikey28 makes a good point just because paypal may guarantee the transaction doesn't mean someone doesn't loose if the seller skips. Paypal looses.
If enough people keep supporting these scammers the Paypal guarantee will go away and we all loose in the future.

Why waste time, effort, and ink. Pay a fair, honest, and legit price for your hardware.

[bossxii]

So I've read thru most of the posts on this thread and no one seems to see this option:

Money laundering.... dirty money buys bulk products that sell fast. New legit products, but getting 50 cents on the dollar maybe a better deal then someone else offered. The new money you give them thru paypal is nice and clean and cannot be traced back to whatever possible issues the prior had

Maybe way off base but I've heard of some crap like this going on ebay before, anything is possible these days.

Whoever did purchase one I'm curious to see if you get a new MBA, look forward to hearing your results.

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an additional note of concern.. the USPS shipping status hasn't updated yet.. it's still stuck at:

Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received

I've sent a ton of stuff via USPS and it always updates overnight that it was at least received at the post office...

[OnceBitten]

an additional note of concern.. the USPS shipping status hasn't updated yet.. it's still stuck at:

Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received

I've sent a ton of stuff via USPS and it always updates overnight that it was at least received at the post office...If he gave it to his mail man, it will not update until the next station.this one missed every scan till the destination you should see a scan Sunday night.

[Thetacoking2]

If he gave it to his mail man, it will not update until the next station.this one missed every scan till the destination you should see a scan Sunday night.


Thanks for your help. I guess we will see what happens when ou go next week, lol. I guess we are going to see what happens. If I dont get anything before wednesday, I'll start the process to get my money back.

[OnceBitten]

Thanks for your help. I guess we will see what happens when ou go next week, lol. I guess we are going to see what happens. If I dont get anything before wednesday, I'll start the process to get my money back.
The only thing that is bothering me is no one yet has left feedback he sould have some by now?

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They went on sale late wednesday night.. I was the 2nd purchase on thursday morning.. and he started shipping via USPS on friday.. So unless someone did a local pickup, they won't start showing up until monday.

[spacecadet610]

i took the plunge last night for this "deal". here's hoping it works.

i'm not worried as i know i'll get my money back if something goes wrong. it's nice that buyers can share info on this forum.

[OnceBitten]

They went on sale late wednesday night.. I was the 2nd purchase on thursday morning.. and he started shipping via USPS on friday.. So unless someone did a local pickup, they won't start showing up until monday. OK, so Monday I will be here :)

i took the plunge last night for this "deal". here's hoping it works.

i'm not worried as i know i'll get my money back if something goes wrong. it's nice that buyers can share info on this forum. Yes info is always good.

[NC MacGuy]

USPS? If I'm paying that kind of money, I want either Fedex or UPS for REAL tracking info. I refuse to buy anything over $100 to be shipped via USPS.

[OnceBitten]

USPS? If I'm paying that kind of money, I want either Fedex or UPS for REAL tracking info. I refuse to buy anything over $100 to be shipped via USPS.Maybe anything over 750.00 but they do a good job:) I almost want to drive there and tell them I am picking it up for you :)

[NC MacGuy]

Maybe anything over 750.00 but they do a good job:) I almost want to drive there and tell them I am picking it up for you :)

Maybe in your area. For me they are mediocre at best. They also have a new policy of not trying to redeliver a package on next day if you're not there.
I have to contact them via convoluted phone system to schedule a redelivery. Come on, you're going to the site anyway - why not try to redeliver?

Their tracking system is next to non-existent. I've had things delivered that show "package information received from shipper" b.s.

[DjAmTraX]

USPS sucks! I sent a eBay item via next day express out of the U.S. (because it is the only way that gives a tracking) and it never arrived. They said I have to wait 7 days before I can make a claim. WTF, I sent it NEXT DAY air. If it's not there next day, it's lost IMO. But there was nothing I could do and they don't care. I couldn't find the contact info for the PostMaster General to file a complaint. All I could do was wait, wait & wait. ****** the post office.

[tigres]

USPS sucks! I sent a eBay item via next day express out of the U.S. (because it is the only way that gives a tracking) and it never arrived. They said I have to wait 7 days before I can make a claim. WTF, I sent it NEXT DAY air. If it's not there next day, it's lost IMO. But there was nothing I could do and they don't care. I couldn't find the contact info for the PostMaster General to file a complaint. All I could do was wait, wait & wait. ****** the post office.


It seems that your rant is warranted, as I have title companies who send me checks in the thousands regular mail that many times never show. 48 hour stop payment, then next day air (the way it was suppose to ship originally) so above post is correct. The new increase in stamp rate is meaningless, as the root of the problem still exists. Enough of hijacking the thread; I hope you get your MBA bugout, I have a rev B and have very much enjoyed it over my replacing a MBP15".

I have been dealing with E-bay since mid 90's and have been scammed twice over the years, however I always pay with AMEX, and that is a no questions asked policy. They credit first, and investigate second. AMEX is a consumers best friend in your case (should it not arrive) and Paypal not back you (which in all measures, should). At any rate, I wish you luck and hopefully you will been soon holding your new toy.
:)

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removed post.. i thought it was something else..

[NC MacGuy]

nevermind I'm a tard...

.....and what would this imply?

If you're referring to the tracking, I'd wait until at least next Tuesday before sticking a fork in it.

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It was an edit sorry.. i put a link there then say I messed up..

[tubbymac]

I just had a Corsair SSD shipped by UPS and the tracking sucked (but the delivery was fast, go figure). All I got was a shipping label confirmation and then a received scan at the origin depot. That was on the evening I ordered it. Next afternoon it arrived without any other tracking updates. Two minutes after I signed for it the tracking was updated with signature confirmed. When I called them up to ask about it they said this was normal and that when a package is traveling fast they usually miss some intermediate scans. No idea if they were BSing me or not about that.

Compare that with Puralator shipping from my Apple Air purchase. I got around 10 or so updates about the package going through customs, arriving here, and then being put on the delivery truck. It was excellent tracking.

[mikey28]

i took the plunge last night for this "deal". here's hoping it works.

i'm not worried as i know i'll get my money back if something goes wrong. it's nice that buyers can share info on this forum.

just curious: did you "take the Plunge" after having read this forum? Why would you not wait for the outcome, and decide then?

I am sure you will get your money back (I mean; I HOPE) but why would you want to put yourself through that drama.

You could have waited to see what happens with these two....

[McGilli]

What would a CC company like Visa do - if they got word that you knew it was probably a scam - but you spent the CC's money anyways...

would they still refund your credit? Or would they put the blame on you and make you liable for the $?

[spacecadet610]

yes i did see this thread before purchasing.

at the rate they've been selling on ebay, it'll be sold out before we know the outcome of the initial buyers.

in fact, i think there's only one left now which i'm sure will be gone soon. so better hurry up.

I give it a 10-20% chance that this "deal" is for real. i think the risk / benefit ratio is pretty good and didn't want to miss out.

if it's for real, i'm sure there will be a bunch of people wishing they did as i did.

just curious: did you "take the Plunge" after having read this forum? Why would you not wait for the outcome, and decide then?

I am sure you will get your money back (I mean; I HOPE) but why would you want to put yourself through that drama.

You could have waited to see what happens with these two....

[spacecadet610]

they'll still refund you. no way to prove that you thought it was a scam.

i paid with american express through paypal so i've got some peace of mind.

What would a CC company like Visa do - if they got word that you knew it was probably a scam - but you spent the CC's money anyways...

would they still refund your credit? Or would they put the blame on you and make you liable for the $?

[OnceBitten]

1 MBA left .

[spacecadet610]

that's what i just said. =)

1 MBA left .

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that's what i just said. =)

That's what she said

[NC MacGuy]

Well, he does have plenty of MBP's left.;)

[macPlayer15]

I just bought the last one...There are a few reasons why i do NOT think this is a scam. Firstly i actually argued with the guy on shipping prices, the argument went to the point where i said no and didn't respond for 2 days, then i caved and said i'll pay the 26USD to ship to canada (price he had on ebay). If he wanted to scam me he would have said yes to shipping for free (i think).
Secondly, he could very easily made a fake account and bought a system off himself, thus being able to provide positive feedback for himself, that would make almost anyone believe he's for real..I paid with visa and paypal so i'm protected, but i'm really thinking this is for real.

[bigjnyc]

I would have contacted him and asked him if I could add $30 or so and have him ship it via UPS or FEDEX. With all the money you're saving $30 more is nothing. I was planning on ordering one after seeing positive feedback and hearing from some of the users here, but with only one left I guess I'll be missing out if this is legit.

[kinkster]

Didn't he have two listings before? Don't think he does anymore. However it would be worth asking him if he'll have more.

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Didn't he have two listings before? Don't think he does anymore. However it would be worth asking him if he'll have more.

He had 2 listings.. and sold all 40 of em.. Someone bought 10 at once..

$47,960 in 3 days.. not bad :D

[macPlayer15]

He had 2 listings.. and sold all 40 of em.. Someone bought 10 at once..

$47,960 in 3 days.. not bad :D

I'm not sure about this, but doesn't paypal or ebay hold your funds when you try to sell multiple items over a certain price? I remember when the whole iphone unlock thing came out some sellers weren't able to sell in bulks unless they had merchant account or something

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I'm not sure about this, but doesn't paypal or ebay hold your funds when you try to sell multiple items over a certain price? I remember when the whole iphone unlock thing came out some sellers weren't able to sell in bulks unless they had merchant account or something

Well.. true.. that's the total take before all the fee's. This guy hasn't sold anything in over 90 days so I'm sure as soon as paypal saw all that money coming in they put a hold on the funds. When he starts getting positive feedback they will start releasing the money.

[bigjnyc]

He had 2 listings.. and sold all 40 of em.. Someone bought 10 at once..

$47,960 in 3 days.. not bad :D

Are you sure it was the same guy? He doesn't have any feedback in months I think.

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Are you sure it was the same guy? He doesn't have any feedback in months I think.


Yep, same guy.. Here are the two listings:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=120380743912

http://cgi.ebay.com/MacBook-Air-1-6-GHz-2-GB-RAM-120GB-NEW-SEALED-IN-BOX_W0QQitemZ120380750479QQcmdZViewItemQQptZApple_Laptops?hash=item120380750479&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

[NC MacGuy]

Everything deep inside my head is saying "no way!" I do hope there is a way though. It would be nice to see one of these types of deals be real. The no sales in over 90 days and then bam, all these new MBA/MBP's sets alarms off to me.
It would also make me more a believer had he shown a stack of the real boxes or a pick of just one in his possession. All pic's were of stock cut n' paste promo crap.

[macPlayer15]

Everything deep inside my head is saying "no way!" I do hope there is a way though. It would be nice to see one of these types of deals be real. The no sales in over 90 days and then bam, all these new MBA/MBP's sets alarms off to me.
It would also make me more a believer had he shown a stack of the real boxes or a pick of just one in his possession. All pic's were of stock cut n' paste promo crap.

I agree, but the fact the the auctions are for 7 days makes me feel slightly better, as if it was a scam feedback would arrive before he sells all his items. I got the last MBA but he's still selling tons of MBP's.

[NC MacGuy]

I agree, but the fact the the auctions are for 7 days makes me feel slightly better, as if it was a scam feedback would arrive before he sells all his items. I got the last MBA but he's still selling tons of MBP's.

We will know soon enough. I hope it is real, I really do. It'd be nice to see some people get a break these days.

[macPlayer15]

For the people who ordered, after you ordered and paid, did you get any email from him?

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For the people who ordered, after you ordered and paid, did you get any email from him?

We went back and forth on a couple of emails and I talked to him on skype.

[macPlayer15]

We went back and forth on a couple of emails and I talked to him on skype.

This is after you placed the order and paid? Just wondering what was he saying? or were u just confirming he will ship it

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This is after you placed the order and paid? Just wondering what was he saying? or were u just confirming he will ship it

Yes, after I placed the order and paid. I asked if he could ship sooner because I'm leaving on a business trip.. He said he would see what he could do. I also asked him where he got 40 MBA's and MBP's and he said he couldn't tell me. Seemed pretty friendly.

[macPlayer15]

Yes, after I placed the order and paid. I asked if he could ship sooner because I'm leaving on a business trip.. He said he would see what he could do. I also asked him where he got 40 MBA's and MBP's and he said he couldn't tell me. Seemed pretty friendly.

Sounds hopeful then, I hope mine comes soon too, good luck!

[Scottsdale]

I would bet real money these people, ALL of them, get their shiny new MBAs!

It doesn't matter how, but all will be NON-STOLEN, brand new MBAs just as advertised.

I have seen deals like these... somehow they always turn out to be legit when on eBay. All of the real scammers use Craig's List. People on eBay have the product... how did this seller get over 200 positive feedback??? Cause he always delivered the real product.

I could be wrong, but I am willing to bet money that it's the real deal. I would have bought one had I needed one. There are lots of great deals to be had on eBay... someone else mentioned money laundering... I guess it's possible. But I doubt that too.

I have used USPS tracking and not had it show the details until the package is delivered. I wouldn't use USPS tracking as a gauge of validity.

Any takers?

Cheers.

[macPlayer15]

I would bet real money these people, ALL of them, get their shiny new MBAs!

It doesn't matter how, but all will be NON-STOLEN, brand new MBAs just as advertised.

I have seen deals like these... somehow they always turn out to be legit when on eBay. All of the real scammers use Craig's List. People on eBay have the product... how did this seller get over 200 positive feedback??? Cause he always delivered the real product.

I could be wrong, but I am willing to bet money that it's the real deal. I would have bought one had I needed one. There are lots of great deals to be had on eBay... someone else mentioned money laundering... I guess it's possible. But I doubt that too.

I have used USPS tracking and not had it show the details until the package is delivered. I wouldn't use USPS tracking as a gauge of validity.

Any takers?

Cheers.

Ya i agree, and for those who ordered it, a quick check of the guys email address on google shows his phone number, address of a car dealership, etc. There are too many ways to find this guy, thus i doubt it is a scam.

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Ya i agree, and for those who ordered it, a quick check of the guys email address on google shows his phone number, address of a car dealership, etc. There are too many ways to find this guy, thus i doubt it is a scam.

Well I did call the car dealership looking for him.. The guy told me he hasn't worked there since november..

[OnceBitten]

Well I did call the car dealership looking for him.. The guy told me he hasn't worked there since november..Well at least you have a paper trail to his name and SS#, I hope it shows for you, I am not sure if Ebay would hold funds he has had the account for a while newbies are the ones getting funds held.

[macPlayer15]

Well I did call the car dealership looking for him.. The guy told me he hasn't worked there since november..

Ya but trust me paypal/ebay will find this guy if it ends up having them flip the bill for 50grand. I will update you guys once it is shipped, although as i ordered today i'm not sure when that will be..

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I was flipping used macbook pro's not to long ago.. after I sold 3 paypal froze my account and wouldn't release any funds until I showed them documentation of who my supplier was.

Since then I've been able to sell a lot of high dollar things without issue and without the 21 day/positive feedback hold.

I'd be willing to bet he can't touch the funds until some positive feedback rolls in.

[spacecadet610]

i ordered last night, and sent a message to him asking when it would ship.

Haven't gotten a response yet.

[OnceBitten]

OK something strange, Both MBP had buyers, now one does not on ebay? HUmmm

[McGilli]

I know what's going on....

The seller has a direct buying contact through the Apple refurb center - and all of the MACRUMORS forum members who said they had lines on their machines and sent them back to Apple - this guy is reselling them all at a discounted price!

Now it makes sense.....

If you can't detect it - I am joking....

But - any chance that these ARE all refurbs?

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I doubt someone off the street is going to sell rev b refurbs before apple does. Plus he says they're new & sealed..

I know what's going on....

The seller has a direct buying contact through the Apple refurb center - and all of the MACRUMORS forum members who said they had lines on their machines and sent them back to Apple - this guy is reselling them all at a discounted price!

Now it makes sense.....

If you can't detect it - I am joking....

But - any chance that these ARE all refurbs?

[wetrix]

Successful stammers put a lot of work into appearing legit. This means that every point listed in this thread is not proof that this is not a scam.

If I was going to do an ebay scam, I'd set up an account and bleed a few grand over a year buying and selling apple products. I'd set up a tertiary bank account on campus, which requires virtually no identification for my paypal. Then when the time was right, I'd list 50 machines for an almost believable price and collect $50,000 in a week. I'd log onto forums and say that I believe it's a real deal. I'd return phone calls and emails, I'd haggle and act like a real seller, then once the auctions had all closed and I'd removed the money from my paypal account, I'd have lots of money.

Scammers are smart and not typical thieves. It's not as hard as you might think, though I really do hope you all don't lose money.

Also, paypal buyer protection has little use in my experience. My girlfriend was scammed for $200 for a collectible doll through paypal. Though Paypal sided with her as the buyer, they didn't pay out because they couldn't contact the scammer who had withdrawn the funds from their account. Paypal basically scams everybody into trusting strangers.

[macPlayer15]

I know what's going on....

The seller has a direct buying contact through the Apple refurb center - and all of the MACRUMORS forum members who said they had lines on their machines and sent them back to Apple - this guy is reselling them all at a discounted price!

Now it makes sense.....

If you can't detect it - I am joking....

But - any chance that these ARE all refurbs?


Well once one arrives u can check the battery charge cycle to see if it was recharged. Also can check on apples site via serial number when it was produced, registered etc. I doubt they are refurbished as many would still but it refurbished at that price, the guy could just state they are used.

[NC MacGuy]

The 1.6, 120GB HDD models haven't been out (as in shipping) long enough to be refurbs yet.

The SSD units have been though.

[tubbymac]

I'd log onto forums and say that I believe it's a real deal.

Yeap and that's why on every ebay thread you start seeing all these new posters pop up. A few of us read the forums a lot and haven't ever seen some of these guys post. The marketplace forum has a 6 month rule before you can post - the same should apply to ebay posts. Otherwise you get a bunch of new accounts signed up singing the praises of ebay each time one of these scams occur.

[NC MacGuy]

If it were running it, I'd buy three units and ship them pronto to first three buyers to get feedback. I'd also take pictures of the boxes stacked on one another before shipping & PS pic to look like ten and a current USA Today for timestamp.

Then sell 30 of them fast.

Then disappear & buy a new car.

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If it were running it, I'd buy three units and ship them pronto to first three buyers to get feedback. I'd also take pictures of the boxes stacked on one another before shipping & PS pic to look like ten and a current USA Today for timestamp.

Then sell 30 of them fast.

Then disappear & buy a new car.

Unless these guys are leaving the country (the guy did have a foreign accent) there's no real way to get away with it. Everything is traceable through the bank accounts. There's always a money trail.

[NC MacGuy]

Unless these guys are leaving the country (the guy did have a foreign accent)

Nigerian?:p

[OnceBitten]

I am a bit worried as the guy is from Israel, and it well Know they come here and scam, then go back home to Israel, the sometimes open a bank account with 20K on thursday, shop all weekend using checks, and on monday withdraw the 20K and fly back to Israel,with all the 20K-30K in gifts, to sell over there, I know this as my mate was Israeli, and the scam is well known.

He (EBAYER)is Israeli so thats just a flag for me. He did not know i speak Hebrew.

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holy crap this waiting is driving me nuts..

[OnceBitten]

holy crap this waiting is driving me nuts..

Me too, but i hope its true for you guys:)

[Scottsdale]

I am a bit worried as the guy is from Israel, and it well Know they come here and scam, then go back home to Israel, the sometimes open a bank account with 20K on thursday, shop all weekend using checks, and on monday withdraw the 20K and fly back to Israel,with all the 20K-30K in gifts, to sell over there, I know this as my mate was Israeli, and the scam is well known.

He (EBAYER)is Israeli so thats just a flag for me. He did not know i speak Hebrew.

That's odd, I would never be afraid of doing business with an Israeli... some of the other nationalities would worry me.

[mikey28]

I am very curious to see if everyone who ordered a computer will actually end up with one... Perhaps only the first 3?

Also, if it is a scam, and it happens once too often and paypal is on the hook for thousands, you can bet that the paypal guarantee will go away. No one is in business to pay out money....

[jessica.]

holy crap this waiting is driving me nuts..

Seriously? Because didn't you just order it and it just shipped ... err I mean you got a tracking number from USPS that basically means nothing to anyone (even USPS). I guess you'll have to wait and see. I mean, you did say (yes I read this thread) that you were 100% doubly covered through paypal and the fact that you paid via CC. I would say chill and maybe while you wait you can start filling out the necessary paperwork to get your money back from the CC company and paypal. I mean, that seems productive and all. :)

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I'm totally chilled.. I just like to know sooner rather then later if it's real. :)

I can't file a claim with paypay until Thursday anyway..:D

[bigjnyc]

Successful stammers put a lot of work into appearing legit. This means that every point listed in this thread is not proof that this is not a scam.

If I was going to do an ebay scam, I'd set up an account and bleed a few grand over a year buying and selling apple products. I'd set up a tertiary bank account on campus, which requires virtually no identification for my paypal. Then when the time was right, I'd list 50 machines for an almost believable price and collect $50,000 in a week. I'd log onto forums and say that I believe it's a real deal. I'd return phone calls and emails, I'd haggle and act like a real seller, then once the auctions had all closed and I'd removed the money from my paypal account, I'd have lots of money.

Scammers are smart and not typical thieves. It's not as hard as you might think, though I really do hope you all don't lose money.

Also, paypal buyer protection has little use in my experience. My girlfriend was scammed for $200 for a collectible doll through paypal. Though Paypal sided with her as the buyer, they didn't pay out because they couldn't contact the scammer who had withdrawn the funds from their account. Paypal basically scams everybody into trusting strangers.

let me write this down and start working on it. you learn all kinds of neat tricks on MR :D

Just kidding, on a serious note i think i am more anxious than the actual buyers, i cant wait to see if this is legit. If it is i will buy one in the event he lists any more..... with my luck the first wave will be his way of setting people up then he will scam people on the second wave of orders lol.

[jessica.]

I'm totally chilled.. I just like to know sooner rather then later if it's real. :)

I can't file a claim with paypay until Thursday anyway..:D

I said start filling out the paperwork. I didn't tell you to send it. I mean, you'll have to eventually is all I'm saying. And you're not chill if you're writing that the wait is killing you. Right?

[tubbymac]

I said start filling out the paperwork. I didn't tell you to send it. I mean, you'll have to eventually is all I'm saying. And you're not chill if you're writing that the wait is killing you. Right?

I laughed in real life reading that, heh.

Anyhow, to pass the time while waiting there's always the 9 page thread from the last ebay scam. Makes for some fun reading, I suppose, instead of waiting and filling out appeal forms?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=637499

[macPlayer15]

Unless these guys are leaving the country (the guy did have a foreign accent) there's no real way to get away with it. Everything is traceable through the bank accounts. There's always a money trail.

I doubt he will suddenly leave the country. He's been in the US at least for a while as his email and phone number can be traced, thus his real name can be traced. If this was all a scam and he did flee to israel, and since the he'll be making at least 50grand off this it will be grand theft, paypal will find this guy and charge him in israel.

In general scammers are pretty smart and will cover their tracks, this guy on the other hand has made it sooo easy to track him, either he's extremely careless, or this is for real.

Also, again if these laptops are stolen property, it will be easy to trace him, either in the US or israel.

[OnceBitten]

I doubt he will suddenly leave the country. He's been in the US at least for a while as his email and phone number can be traced, thus his real name can be traced. If this was all a scam and he did flee to israel, and since the he'll be making at least 50grand off this it will be grand theft, paypal will find this guy and charge him in israel.

In general scammers are pretty smart and will cover their tracks, this guy on the other hand has made it sooo easy to track him, either he's extremely careless, or this is for real.

Also, again if these laptops are stolen property, it will be easy to trace him, either in the US or israel.
Ebay or the US treasury cant do much at all if he is in Israel

[macPlayer15]

Ebay or the US treasury cant do much at all if he is in Israel

Ebay operates in israel. There is also an extradition treaty. Why do u think all these scams happen with nigeria, where the government could give a toss if americans were ripped of, rather than UK or Canada. Either way though like i said, i doubt paypal will release the funds right away, i'm almost 100% sure they won't

[macPlayer15]

Haha what do you know, the guy just emailed me right now. I asked him how long shipping will take and he said about 5 business days.

[kinkster]

Asked him two questions today, got replies about the same time, couple of hours later.

First question was asking for a serial number on one of them, to which he said "let us thank you first for your question

we are pulling notebooks randomlly just when we have the product ready to be shipped , so as now we dont know wich serial # goes to who.
from best regards from all usedsnoopy team work!"

ill ask him for a random serial off any of them.

second question was if he will have more available later

"Hi we will be listing more airs on monday

Thank's

Usedsnoopy Team"

Looks like hes waiting for some positive feedback? or if it's legit they might not come/be bought till monday since sunday is no shipping.

[spacecadet610]

half-assed grammar, spelling and poor sentence structure sure doesn't instill much confidence for me. I just received a reply:

"dear ebay memeber.

let us thank you first for your question

your shipment will be processed by tomorow you will be notifyed via email for your tracking #
from best regards from all usedsnoopy team work!"

i don't know whether to be happy or sad about this whole situation.

[NC MacGuy]

I'd still like to know why no pictures of any products actually in his posession? MBA or MBP? How hard could that be? Do they have iLife '09?

[SFStateStudent]

Oh I'm keeping my eye on this one. I have a stinkin' feeling that it just got a bit more interesting...:eek::eek:

*scrolling + clicking INSTANT email notification*

[kinkster]

I wonder how many scammers were inspired by threads like these.


I'm going to wait till when he would have defenatly have gotten negative feedback to buy one of these. Maybe friday of next week.

[kinkster]

I said "Ah thank you. Also do these Airs come with iLife 09 software?

Also, can I pay $30 extra to have it shipped with fedex or UPS?"


And he said

"yes this air comes with iLife 09 , we will have to check if your shipping lable was printed "

sent him back saying I was asking about a future buy, not already bought one.

[mac jones]

half-assed grammar, spelling and poor sentence structure sure doesn't instill much confidence for me. I just received a reply:

"dear ebay memeber.

let us thank you first for your question

your shipment will be processed by tomorow you will be notifyed via email for your tracking #
from best regards from all usedsnoopy team work!"

i don't know whether to be happy or sad about this whole situation.

Yes, yes, you can always tell the bad guys by their grammar.

(A shame about spell checkers cuz we could just round them all up).

[macPlayer15]

Ok, i'm a little worried, I asked if i could pay more for insurance, he just emailed me and said USPS only insures a max of 500$ when shipping to canada, and that's the max he can do and is included in the shipping charge. How reliable is USPS?? and is this true??

[tubbymac]

Ok, i'm a little worried, I asked if i could pay more for insurance, he just emailed me and said USPS only insures a max of 500$ when shipping to canada, and that's the max he can do and is included in the shipping charge. How reliable is USPS?? and is this true??

Wow I just looked this up and surprisingly it's kinda true. For some unknown reason the maximum insurance you can have to Canada is $675 (not 500, but maybe he was thinking US dollars who knows). To EVERY other country there's no limit. It's just Canada, what the heck!

At least that's my interpretation of the official USPS site here:

http://www.usps.com/international/intlspecialservices.htm

[wetrix]

Everything is traceable through the bank accounts. There's always a money trail.

That may be true, but it is very easy to sign up to a bank with one form of ID (I've used my uni ID, which you can acquire without even fully enrolling and without ID) and have a debit card mailed to a business address. All this can be faked easily and this would be done by any serious scammer.

Also, PayPal is not the law. Just because PayPal sides with you, they do not have the right to demand bank account information. You need to get the police involved yourself to get that far. Not a lot of fun.

[OnceBitten]

Sunday.Tick tick tick

[Thetacoking2]

Sunday.Tick tick tick

Nothing for me either, no update, or anthing. I am going to email tonight if the status hasnt changed.

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No status change at USPS yet.. although as previously discussed isn't exactly startling news..

[macPlayer15]

I had a terrifying thought. What if his guy is for real but is selling the rev a units thinking it's rev b. Someone on this forum mentioned the usps package size was smaller than the dimensions on apples site. Could it be that they shipping rev a's who's dimensions are smaller. If someone is emailing him ask if the laptop box is white (rev b) or black (rev a)

[bigjnyc]

I had a terrifying thought. What if his guy is for real but is selling the rev a units thinking it's rev b. Someone on this forum mentioned the usps package size was smaller than the dimensions on apples site. Could it be that they shipping rev a's who's dimensions are smaller. If someone is emailing him ask if the laptop box is white (rev b) or black (rev a)

I thought about that too, it looks like he just copied and pasted the item description in his auction with stock ad photos. He may have gotten a batch of rev A's to sell and not really knowing the product slapped on the description of MacBook air that he found online. I guess that's better than an outright scam because you can easily claim false description return it and get your money back.

[macPlayer15]

I thought about that too, it looks like he just copied and pasted the item description in his auction with stock ad photos. He may have gotten a batch of rev A's to sell and not really knowing the product slapped on the description of MacBook air that he found online. I guess that's better than an outright scam because you can easily claim false description return it and get your money back.

Ya I guess. I don't think this guys a scammer as I overpaid for faster shipping and he refunded me the extra money I gave as he said shipping was standard. Just worried he doesn't know what he is shipping. Again if anyone is emailing him ask what colour the box is.

[kinkster]

I said "Ah thank you. Also do these Airs come with iLife 09 software?

Also, can I pay $30 extra to have it shipped with fedex or UPS?"


And he said

"yes this air comes with iLife 09 , we will have to check if your shipping lable was printed "

sent him back saying I was asking about a future buy, not already bought one.



Asked him this and he said

"Hi yes you can add it on your purchase and make a note that the extra $30 are for fedex shipping."

[OnceBitten]

I had a terrifying thought. What if his guy is for real but is selling the rev a units thinking it's rev b. Someone on this forum mentioned the usps package size was smaller than the dimensions on apples site. Could it be that they shipping rev a's who's dimensions are smaller. If someone is emailing him ask if the laptop box is white (rev b) or black (rev a)
Nope Rev B fits in the box with lots of tape, did it a few weeks ago.

[Thetacoking2]

I had a terrifying thought. What if his guy is for real but is selling the rev a units thinking it's rev b. Someone on this forum mentioned the usps package size was smaller than the dimensions on apples site. Could it be that they shipping rev a's who's dimensions are smaller. If someone is emailing him ask if the laptop box is white (rev b) or black (rev a)

I also made sure it was the new one. I told him on the phone "Are you sure it has the 9400m in there?" He said, yes, brand new with the graphics and all. So, that answers that question. Anyway, anyone had any luck with usps or fedex tracking?

[DjAmTraX]

The seller is entertaining you even after you have paid so that is a good sign. I really hope you guys get what you paid for.

[spacecadet610]

Boy this guy must be inundated with questions. 50 or so worried buyers grilling him.

one strange thing i noticed. Item is listed as in Miami. My paypal transaction on my credit card lists it as "usedsnoopy san jose".

[macPlayer15]

The seller is entertaining you even after you have paid so that is a good sign. I really hope you guys get what you paid for.

I hope we get it too, and i hope they aren't stolen. I was thinking, could it be possible that he bought these in a country where they are being sold cheaper, also with student or epp discount? For example i know in the UK macs are pretty expensive when you convert to USD, it may be possible he buying these in a country where macs are sold cheaper.

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Boy this guy must be inundated with questions. 50 or so worried buyers grilling him.

one strange thing i noticed. Item is listed as in Miami. My paypal transaction on my credit card lists it as "usedsnoopy san jose".

Paypal's corporate address is in San Jose, and thats where they process the CC transactions.. nothing odd there..

[spacecadet610]

ok that would explain it. my bad.

Paypal's corporate address is in San Jose, and thats where they process the CC transactions.. nothing odd there..

[NC MacGuy]

I just paid for two ebay items via paypal. I went and checked my previous transactions on paypal and the name of the individual was on the "payment to" column, not their ebay handle. That all works out to the same Miami guy & phone #?

I hope we get it too, and i hope they aren't stolen. I was thinking, could it be possible that he bought these in a country where they are being sold cheaper, also with student or epp discount? For example i know in the UK macs are pretty expensive when you convert to USD, it may be possible he buying these in a country where macs are sold cheaper.

It would be amusing if these all come in but with Chinese keyboards.

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I just paid for two ebay items via paypal. I went and checked my previous transactions on paypal and the name of the individual was on the "payment to" column, not their ebay handle. That all works out to the same Miami guy & phone #?

For me its his nick, usedsnoopy... For everything else I have in there its either their name or business name...

[SFStateStudent]

+1 ^^^ PayPal payments (at least mine) are exactly like NC MacGuy describes.:eek: I'm definitely becoming more interested...

[spacecadet610]

So does this mean the name on his credit card is usedsnoopy??

That can't be his real name.. at least i hope it's not! must be just the business name he uses then.

For me its his nick, usedsnoopy... For everything else I have in there its either their name or business name...

[macPlayer15]

So does this mean the name on his credit card is usedsnoopy??

That can't be his real name.. at least i hope it's not! must be just the business name he uses then.

You are over analyzing, he a verified business account with paypal, usedsnoopy is his ebay name/nickname for paypal. Don't worry..

[SFStateStudent]

So does this mean the name on his credit card is usedsnoopy?? That can't be his real name.. at least i hope it's not! must be just the business name he uses then.

Might be his "street thug name" or his "rap diva name" lol :D

[OnceBitten]

OK he said I could come by and pick 2 up next week, that will not be a problem(plan to be there on thursday.

[Netniks]

I could understand if the seller came by these ’Airs, and used current information on Apple's website to describe them. Old descriptions would no longer be available to copy and paste, and typing in all the descriptions wasn't seen as necessary. This strikes me as the most likely explanation for such a low price.

In the end, however, I bought one. The cautions expressed here made me hesitant, but I'm willing to believe that not everyone is unethical and that extends to the seller of these MacBook Airs. It's just as plausible that the seller lucked upon the assets of a business that went bust, preempting their distribution to its sales force. The lot size isn't an unreasonable amount that a small business could have purchased, only to see its funding rapidly dry up in this upside down economy.

In the context of Apple's other laptops, the entry level MacBook Air is a bit underpowered and costly. And, let's face it, this MacBook has to cost the least to manufacture when compared to the rest of Apple's portable offerings.

This deal *seems* too good to be true, but that wasn't enough to keep me away by itself.

[kinkster]

If he got them from a business he'd probably list them all at once though right? He said he'll be listing more on monday.

But maybe it would still make sense, and he wants to list more only after he gets some positive feedback(which would start coming on monday).

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Monday's mail arrives 18 hours :)

[OnceBitten]

Monday's mail arrives 18 hours :)did he say he already sent it?

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did he say he already sent it?

yeah.. I got the USPS shipping confirmation Friday morning.

[OnceBitten]

yeah.. I got the USPS shipping confirmation Friday morning.Might not come till tuesday

[bigjnyc]

yeah.. I got the USPS shipping confirmation Friday morning.

get that camera ready, given the popularity of this thread i'm sure people are going to want to see pictures lol.

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get that camera ready, given the popularity of this thread i'm sure people are going to want to see pictures lol.

Oh its ready.. :D

I just don't like the fact that the USPS status hasn't changed yet... I know it doesn't mean much, but I don't like the:

Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received

[kinkster]

get that camera ready, given the popularity of this thread i'm sure people are going to want to see pictures lol.

Yeah the more the pics the better, just so we know you aren't a part of the scam like someone suggested.

and also could you give us the S/N once you get it?

;)

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Yeah the more the pics the better, just so we know you aren't a part of the scam like someone suggested.

and also could you give us the S/N once you get it?

;)

I'm taking pic requests!

I'm easily traceable at blog.iphone-dev.org

:)

[spacecadet610]

i've mailed out probably several hundred things using the USPS delivery confirmation. I'd say about 20-30% of the time, the status doesn't get updated until delivery.

Oh its ready.. :D

I just don't like the fact that the USPS status hasn't changed yet... I know it doesn't mean much, but I don't like the:

Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received

[NC MacGuy]

Still want to know why seller couldn't snap one pick of boxes (even empty ones?)

Hope not but at $600 discount, I think scam. He could have buy it now'd them at $1500 or $1600 and started knocking price down if they didn't sell.

Soon enough the truth shall be revealed. Hell if it's not a scam, it's worth it to fly down for a day and buy four. What's his address again? He did provide that w. name & phone, correct?

[OnceBitten]

Still want to know why seller couldn't snap one pick of boxes (even empty ones?)

Hope not but at $600 discount, I think scam. He could have buy it now'd them at $1500 or $1600 and started knocking price down if they didn't sell.

Soon enough the truth shall be revealed. Hell if it's not a scam, it's worth it to fly down for a day and buy four. What's his address again? He did provide that w. name & phone, correct?If it is true, I could pick some up for you if you wish, when i get back ill send my DL and we can do it via paypal :)

[spacecadet610]

How do we you know you wouldn't be trying to scam us? :)

If it is true, I could pick some up for you if you wish, when i get back ill send my DL and we can do it via paypal :)

[yoppie]

i've mailed out probably several hundred things using the USPS delivery confirmation. I'd say about 20-30% of the time, the status doesn't get updated until delivery.

So true. I mailed a package to my mom last week and tracking was very poor. It only updated one time the entire trip and to top it off the package arrived two days late despite the fact that I paid extra for it to arrive by a certain day and time. NOT FUN.

Still want to know why seller couldn't snap one pick of boxes (even empty ones?)

Hope not but at $600 discount, I think scam. He could have buy it now'd them at $1500 or $1600 and started knocking price down if they didn't sell.

Soon enough the truth shall be revealed. Hell if it's not a scam, it's worth it to fly down for a day and buy four. What's his address again? He did provide that w. name & phone, correct?

That does sound weird. I wonder if he's willing to snap photos of the MBPs he still has in stock.

[OnceBitten]

Should update tonight!

[NC MacGuy]

Isn't the space shuttle scheduled to go up soon? I could drive down and catch a shuttle launch and a tan on the way back.;) Wonder if he has quantity and/or cash discounts.

[spacecadet610]

boy this thread is too popular. i've got to turn off the 'post notification' since ive been emailed 16 times in the past hour

[OnceBitten]

How do we you know you wouldn't be trying to scam us? :)100% ebay feedback large items:)

Isn't the space shuttle scheduled to go up soon? I could drive down and catch a shuttle launch and a tan on the way back.;) Wonder if he has quantity and/or cash discounts.
No discount, but said i could pick it up.

[SFStateStudent]

did he say he already sent it?

yeah.. I got the USPS shipping confirmation Friday morning.

Might not come till tuesday

Oh its ready.. :D

I just don't like the fact that the USPS status hasn't changed yet... I know it doesn't mean much, but I don't like the:

Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received

i've mailed out probably several hundred things using the USPS delivery confirmation. I'd say about 20-30% of the time, the status doesn't get updated until delivery.

So true. I mailed a package to my mom last week and tracking was very poor. It only updated one time the entire trip and to top it off the package arrived two days late despite the fact that I paid extra for it to arrive by a certain day and time. NOT FUN.



That does sound weird. I wonder if he's willing to snap photos of the MBPs he still has in stock.

Should update tonight!

I've sent items USPS, UPS and FEDEX, and I'm yet to NOT show updates every time it gets signed in, picked up, arrives at another distribution facility, is in transit on the ground or when it's eventually delivered. I'd be afraid, VERY afraid. I'm smellin' SCAM as well, but I'm hoping it's not for all you MR Members... :eek:

[spacecadet610]

heck i'll buy them all to resell at a profit. isn't that what that 1 dude that bought 10 of them did?

Yeah, why don't you buy all of them and sell them to all the lurkers on the thread? I'll loan you the money and we can split the profit. 50/50? =)

100% ebay feedback large items:)


No discount, but said i could pick it up.

[kinkster]

I'm taking pic requests!

I'm easily traceable at blog.iphone-dev.org

:)


Ahhhh that bugout. Right.

[spacecadet610]

UPS and FEDEX always get updated for me. But USPS is different.

USPS also depends on whether you create the shipping label yourself or go to the P.O to mail it. You are more likely to get proper tracking by going to the P.O. since I believe they are obligated to scan it in at the station of origin.

If you create the label yourself, they don't necessarily need to scan it in.


I've sent items USPS, UPS and FEDEX, and I'm yet to NOT show updates every time it gets signed in, picked up, arrives at another distribution facility, is in transit on the ground or when it's eventually delivered. I'd be afraid, VERY afraid. I'm smellin' SCAM as well, but I'm hoping it's not for all you MR Members... :eek:

[Netniks]

Do we really think people outside of our macnerdiness comprehend the subtle differences between a rev A and rev B computer? It's a rabbit hole most people don't go down. I don't think that by stating iLife '09 comes with the macbooks necessarily clinches their rev B authenticity.

[yoppie]

I've sent items USPS, UPS and FEDEX, and I'm yet to NOT show updates every time it gets signed in, picked up, arrives at another distribution facility, is in transit on the ground or when it's eventually delivered. I'd be afraid, VERY afraid. I'm smellin' SCAM as well, but I'm hoping it's not for all you MR Members... :eek:

I didn't purchase anything from this guy. I was just stating that USPS don't always update their tracking information. I'm with you in that I hope all these MR members get what they ordered.

[OnceBitten]

heck i'll buy them all to resell at a profit. isn't that what that 1 dude that bought 10 of them did?

Yeah, why don't you buy all of them and sell them to all the lurkers on the thread? I'll loan you the money and we can split the profit. 50/50? =)

I have the cash, but just waiting for at least one to show then i will drive down:0

[OnceBitten]

AS soon as USPS gets close to being delivered it will scan the night before 90% of the time,thats the normal.

[spacecadet610]

You might have several MR members try to fly to this guy's house to clean them out before you can drive down there. :)

I have the cash, but just waiting for at least one to show then i will drive down:0

[OnceBitten]

You might have several MR members try to fly to this guy's house to clean them out before you can drive down there. :)
yea but i am close :)

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Here's another strange thing.. In the USPS Click-n-ship notification it says:

Type of Service: Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Box

If you sign up for email updates you get an email that says:

Service Type: First-Class Packages Signature Confirmation

[imac9556]

Here's another strange thing.. In the USPS Click-n-ship notification it says:

Type of Service: Priority Mail Large Flat Rate Box

If you sign up for email updates you get an email that says:

Service Type: First-Class Packages Signature Confirmation

Good luck man! I really hope you get your Macbook air for that price. So far, its hard to tell. I know in the past, some scammers have been "smart" enough to create a "fake shipment" by tricking the buyers to think they shipped out the item by creating a shipment online. (either by UPS, USPS, etc...) but not really ship the item. (dropping the box off)
I guess if he ends up screwing you over, you can also charge him for Mail Fraud using the government's postal system.
But good luck!!

[macPlayer15]

Good luck man! I really hope you get your Macbook air for that price. So far, its hard to tell. I know in the past, some scammers have been "smart" enough to create a "fake shipment" by tricking the buyers to think they shipped out the item by creating a shipment online. (either by UPS, USPS, etc...) but not really ship the item. (dropping the box off)
I guess if he ends up screwing you over, you can also charge him for Mail Fraud using the government's postal system.
But good luck!!

To put your mind at ease the guy refunded me for paying extra for more insurance and faster shipping to canada. I never asked for the refund but he said i had overpaid, if someone wanted to scam me they would have just said full insurance was added and kept the money, i'm pretty sure he this guy is for real...

[Scottsdale]

To put your mind at ease the guy refunded me for paying extra for more insurance and faster shipping to canada. I never asked for the refund but he said i had overpaid, if someone wanted to scam me they would have just said full insurance was added and kept the money, i'm pretty sure he this guy is for real...

I am at least 95% certain that you will get your MBA rev B, as stated, new in box as soon as USPS can get it there. Some people get the deals and make big ones to make big money. This guy didn't get 200+ feedback by scamming people. You are safe via eBay and PayPal, and I am sure you will be happy when it arrives this week. And since you bought the rev B MBA, you will have an amazing Mac ready to do everything you need it to. Cheers.

[Netniks]

It finally dawned on me just where these macbook air's came from. Uncle Steve is out for a long lunch, and wadda'ya know, truly remarkable, spectacular, née, *insanely great* deals are starting to pop up all over the internets. Steve's workin' his stimulus mojo, as contemplating death is prone to make one do. See, he's not the kind to settle into his la-Zee-boy and go gentle into that dark night without spreading his reality distortion cheer like a big warm, downy blanket, calming every over-extended credit card he encounters. Just wait until you see what he has in store for the 10,000th "unauthorized" macbook fire sale. That lucky buyer will get a highly unusual, one of a kind, chocolate-filled macbook,... ghirardelli chocolate to be precise,...just so you know that your twelve C-notes were well-spent. Enjoy it, you lucky chucklehead you, 'cause uncle steve is just getting warmed up!

[OnceBitten]

Did it update last night?

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Did it update last night?

Nope.. hasn't changed..

[OnceBitten]

Humm should have, lets wait and see, what state are you in? Never mind saw the state:)

what does the status say again recieved?

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Humm should have, lets wait and see, what state are you in? Never mind saw the state:)

what does the status say again recieved?

Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received

The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on February 19, 2009 to expect your package for mailing.

[NC MacGuy]

Status: Electronic Shipping Info Received

The U.S. Postal Service was electronically notified by the shipper on February 19, 2009 to expect your package for mailing.

So you don't even know if it's gone out yet.

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So you don't even know if it's gone out yet.

Right, but as previously stated if a letter carrier picked them up they might not get scanned until delivery.

[NC MacGuy]

Right, but as previously stated if a letter carrier picked them up they might not get scanned until delivery.

Exactly. That could be later this week - or maybe even next.

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Exactly. That could be later this week - or maybe even next.

According to the ship notification it was sent in a priority mail large flat rate box.. so the latest would be tomorrow.

[jessica.]

I am truly pleased to see that hope still exists in the lives of others ;). But if I were you I'd start filling out that paperwork. ;)

[NC MacGuy]

I am truly pleased to see that hope still exists in the lives of others ;). But if I were you I'd start filling out that paperwork. ;)

That won't expedite much. I've been through the process before, It's a lonnnggg process.....

Better to call the CC company and dispute charges first, at least you're not responsible for them until resolved.

[jessica.]

That won't expedite much. I've been through the process before, It's a lonnnggg process.....

Better to call the CC company and dispute charges first, at least you're not responsible for them until resolved.

It was a joke for the most part. ;) I was saying that he's not getting his machine and if he does, it will probably not be what he paid for. Remember, our OP has nothing to worry about. He is "doubly covered" with PayPal :rolleyes: and his CC.

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It was a joke for the most part. ;) I was saying that he's not getting his machine and if he does, it will probably not be what he paid for. Remember, our OP has nothing to worry about. He is "doubly covered" with PayPal :rolleyes: and his CC.

Looks like we got ourselves a bitter betty.. :)

Let's wait for the outcome, shall we? :D

[OnceBitten]

Looks like we got ourselves a bitter betty.. :)

Let's wait for the outcome, shall we? :D

She has always been that way.:(
It might ship today, and then by Thursday you will have it, he should show some feedback by tonight!

[jessica.]

Looks like we got ourselves a bitter betty.. :)

Let's wait for the outcome, shall we? :D

No sweetheart. I am not bitter because I have never been (knock on wood) scorned by eBay or the likes. This would have had to occur for me to be bitter. I tend to stay away from the too good to be true deals and if that means I have to pay more, then I take comfort in knowing I don't need to start a thread to outline my foolishness with one hand while I proclaim I am doubly covered so no harm no foul with the other. It is far too much stress for me.

I hope you get your machine, I really do and I hope you enjoy it, but I am a realist ... it comes with age I think. ;)

She has always been that way.:(
It might ship today, and then by Thursday you will have it, he should show some feedback by tonight!

O rly? Net stalk much? ;)

[bigjnyc]

According to the ship notification it was sent in a priority mail large flat rate box.. so the latest would be tomorrow.


if he sent it out late thursday or friday then i would think tomorrow is more feasible. so dont hit the panic button if it doesnt come in today, if the mailman stops by wednesday with his hands empty then you :eek:

[OnceBitten]

if he sent it out late thursday or friday then i would think tomorrow is more feasible. so dont hit the panic button if it doesnt come in today, if the mailman stops by wednesday with his hands empty then you :eek: I also think that today he might ship it out and you will get it by midweek:(

[Thetacoking2]

if he sent it out late thursday or friday then i would think tomorrow is more feasible. so dont hit the panic button if it doesnt come in today, if the mailman stops by wednesday with his hands empty then you :eek:

When I had talked to him via email, he said the package was going to ship today, so that means Friday for me. I need it to update though, lol. Crossing my fingers, if you could also create a youtube video of you unboxing it, it would help some of the naysayers. *crossing fingers*

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When I had talked to him via email, he said the package was going to ship today, so that means Friday for me. I need it to update though, lol. Crossing my fingers, if you could also create a youtube video of you unboxing it, it would help some of the naysayers. *crossing fingers*

How about I do it live when/if it gets here.. where's a good place for that

[Thetacoking2]

How about I do it live when/if it gets here.. where's a good place for that

No idea, but I dont think you would have enough patience once it gets there to set everything up, I wouldnt, I think pictures would suffice though. lol, This thread has kicked some much needed juice into the Air forums.

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No idea, but I dont think you would have enough patience once it gets there to set everything up, I wouldnt, I think pictures would suffice though. lol, This thread has kicked some much needed juice into the Air forums.

I can't believe I'm responsible for a 10 page thread.. let alone an "amazing deal on ebay" thread..

I have a 300+ 100% feedback ebay account registered since 1998, and I've never been "scammed" I really hope this isn't the first! :D

I've bought some stuff that wasn't as advertised and have been through "the process" a few times though.. Its not fun..

[spacecadet610]

I've also been through "the process" and it has been very easy.

Bought a $500 Amazon gift card on ebay that I never received. Filed a paypal dispute and my money came back in a couple weeks.

Took about 2 minutes of total work online. Never had to go to the credit card company

[NC MacGuy]

I've also been through "the process" and it has been very easy.

Bought a $500 Amazon gift card on ebay that I never received. Filed a paypal dispute and my money came back in a couple weeks.

Took about 2 minutes of total work online. Never had to go to the credit card company

Mine took a little over a month and was for $3,400.

[Consultant]

When I had talked to him via email, he said the package was going to ship today, so that means Friday for me. I need it to update though, lol. Crossing my fingers, if you could also create a youtube video of you unboxing it, it would help some of the naysayers. *crossing fingers*

The promise of tomorrow.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/technology/2008/11/this-woman-sent.html

Yes it'll ship tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow. And the day after that.

On internet fraud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_fraud

[spacecadet610]

there are different degrees of transparancy for internet fraud; some obvious, some not.

This one is somewhere in the middle, which is why I think there is so much interest in the outcome.

The promise of tomorrow.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/technology/2008/11/this-woman-sent.html

Yes it'll ship tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow. And the day after that.

On internet fraud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_fraud

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The promise of tomorrow.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/technology/2008/11/this-woman-sent.html

Yes it'll ship tomorrow. And the day after tomorrow. And the day after that.

On internet fraud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_fraud

I'm an enterprise wan security architect, I know a thing or two about fraud... But thanks for doing the hard work of googling for me.

Its as if some people are praying for this to be a scam.. I don't get it..

[OnceBitten]

I'm an enterprise wan security architect, I know a thing or two about fraud... But thanks for doing the hard work of googling for me.

Its as if some people are praying for this to be a scam.. I don't get it..

I hope it real for everyone:( any mail yet?

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I hope it real for everyone:( any mail yet?

Mail should be here within an hour..

[spacecadet610]

the suspense is killing me

[Thetacoking2]

I'm an enterprise wan security architect, I know a thing or two about fraud... But thanks for doing the hard work of googling for me.

Its as if some people are praying for this to be a scam.. I don't get it..

I feel you on that one. People just tend to be negative in the day and age. Maybe the economy has something to do with it, but let us not get into consumer spending habits, lol.

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Nothing from mr postman today..

[macPlayer15]

Nothing from mr postman today..

Mine still hasn't shipped:| I emailed yesterday for tracking info he said it will be shipped soon:| I ordered the last one on saturday

[bigjnyc]

I'm an enterprise wan security architect, I know a thing or two about fraud... But thanks for doing the hard work of googling for me.

Its as if some people are praying for this to be a scam.. I don't get it..

I think some people find entertainment in seeing others fail and other people's misery. this is why people are glued to their tv's and follow news reports when something terrible happens.

Plus people love feeling high and mighty when it turns out they were right, if its a scam they will feel good about themselves and fill this thread with "i told you so's" if it turns out to be legit they will wither away and dissapear without saying another word

just the way of the world i guess.

[bbotte]

I think people are just jealous that someone saved some scratch when they themselves paid full price.

[dawnraid]

I think people are just jealous that someone saved some scratch when they themselves paid full price.

Well as they say "if something seems to good to be true, it usually is." Im still sitting on the fence, I will believe it when I see it.

[tubbymac]

I think some people find entertainment in seeing others fail and other people's misery.

I think people are just jealous that someone saved some scratch when they themselves paid full price.

Or the more likely, less malicious explanation? Maybe there are a few people with common sense that are just wary of scams with multiple warning bells?

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee288/Kroger_143/MOTIVATIONAL%20POSTERS/caption_deception.jpg

[DjAmTraX]

What is the seller's Pay Pal status? Time account has been opened? Positive transactions? Give me the seller's Pay Pal ID so I can look those things up.

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What is the seller's Pay Pal status? Time account has been opened? Positive transactions? Give me the seller's Pay Pal ID so I can look those things up.

His paypal ID is usedsnoopy