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arn
Jun 18, 2002, 04:35 AM
Maccentral (http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0206/17.ibook.php) quotes Dave Russell, Apple's director of consumer-education mobile products, on the state of the iBook. Of note, he hints that the G4 is not likely to appear in the iBook in the next iteration:

"As for what we're looking for in terms of an education-consumer portable, the G3 chip offers plenty of punch," Russell said. "The performance of the iBook is quite fine right now. The G3 chip doesn't draw much power, doesn't generate much heat and runs Mac OS X just fine. We think the G3 has a lot of life left in it. I don't know that the latest iBooks will be the last ones with G3 chips."

dave_r_lee@mac.com
Jun 18, 2002, 05:13 AM
Hi, well if you think about it, now 10.2 makes the GPU look after the graphical stuff, like transparencies, a G4 becomes less important as currently it's the altivec unit which does that. So, maybe a G3 is fine under 10.2?
Dave

Beej
Jun 18, 2002, 05:22 AM
Originally posted by dave_r_lee@mac.com
Hi, well if you think about it, now 10.2 makes the GPU look after the graphical stuff, like transparencies, a G4 becomes less important as currently it's the altivec unit which does that. So, maybe a G3 is fine under 10.2?
Dave You're right... but if you're doing photoshop type work you will still get a good increase with the G4.

I'd love a G4 iBook... even only 600 MHz or so... what a great little package. Oh well... :(

Ouroboros
Jun 18, 2002, 05:25 AM
Still, the Apple dude didn't completely rule out the possibility of a G4 SE iBook. That's not something I'm hoping for though, since I already have a PB...

dave_r_lee@mac.com
Jun 18, 2002, 05:27 AM
yeah very true, but then i'm not sure that the type of person who uses photoshop (professional, creative etc) will use an iBook, maybe a Powerbook? I suppose a G4 would be nice for those using iTunes a lot.

mmmdreg
Jun 18, 2002, 06:02 AM
how sad..can we expect a 1GHz G3 for next time then? possibly when the Tibook goes to 1.2GHz G4 when the PowerMacs go 1.2+GHz G4's....<note. this is pure speculation>

Jack Tenric
Jun 18, 2002, 06:05 AM
I'd like to see a iBook SE version with a Radeon 7500 card. :D

edesignuk
Jun 18, 2002, 06:13 AM
Originally posted by Jack Tenric
I'd like to see a iBook SE version with a Radeon 7500 card. :D
...you don't want much do you :p

crassusad44
Jun 18, 2002, 06:44 AM
It makes perfectly sense to keep the iBook on a G3 prosessor for a while. We now got the Sahara chip inside these little babies, and with 10.2 we'll see another performance boost. Remember. The new 700 MHz model is up to 35% faster than the old 600 MHz model, and that's without Jagwire!

Hmmm, seems like I just convinced myself into buying an iBook! :p

Jack Tenric
Jun 18, 2002, 07:02 AM
Even a cut down Radeon 7500 mobility with 16MB DDR would be a great addition to an iBook SE. The way I see it they can either upgrade the screen, the case, the MHz or the graphics chip. Myself, I'd like to see the graphics chip and MHz go up slightly for a Special Edition model.

Backtothemac
Jun 18, 2002, 07:58 AM
Look, I have a G3 600 iBook, and it is fine for everything that I do. Not that I do not run Photoshop and graphic intensive applications very often. Now that being said, who would really want to run Photoshop on a 12.1 inch screen, or even a 14.1 for that matter when the resolution is only 124X768? The point is that the iBook is designed for schools, students, and home users that want a laptop. It is not designed for graphics professionals, and high end buisness users.

freedom
Jun 18, 2002, 08:31 AM
You pinned it B2TM!
I am a "creative" user and I´d like a tibook for that,
as a complement, while visiting clients etc.
An ibook would only be used for e-mail, writing
and internet. (Possibly even gaming, he, he…)
Where would one keep all palettes?

But the ibook is sure beautiful…
Maybe one for my girlfriend!?

SlowX
Jun 18, 2002, 08:49 AM
Me, I'm an iBook user who would like to go Ti, but between the cost, heat and fan noise, I'm actually pretty happy w/ my tiny leetle amateur iBook.

Now if they could keep it at the same price and boost speed even more, then I may sell and get another one, but...

Remember when a G3 Pismo was the bomb?
Ah, memories....
:)

dantec
Jun 18, 2002, 09:17 AM
Maybe this is a good thing. Bring on the 1GhZ G3!!!

Backtothemac
Jun 18, 2002, 09:28 AM
Really, the future that I would like to see for the iBook late in the year would be a 133MHZ bus with a 1GHZ Sahara. Take memory to 1Gig. Radeon 32MB. 30Gig standard and 40 and 60 available. This would allow it to do anything really.

Take the Ti to G4 1.2's. 2gigs with 266MHZ DDR. 64MB video etc. See, the iBook would do just fine, but that Ti would friggin smoke!

rice_web
Jun 18, 2002, 09:43 AM
When the iBook was revised just shortly ago, I truely expected a 133Mhz system bus. Why they chose a 100MHz system bus is beyond me, considering that the FP iMac may be bumped to 133 at MWNY.

The jump to 133MHz would make a HUGE difference in operating OS X, as the faster access to the memory (which OS X uses a lot of) quickens even menu pull-downs (not to mention Quake framerates).

Edge100
Jun 18, 2002, 09:49 AM
I think the point is that the iBook, and the G3 in general, has its place. It isnt for Photoshop or FCP-intensive use, but for iApps (excl. iDVD) it is great. Stick an 800+ MHz G3 on a 133 MHz bus with a Radeon 7500 and you'll have a whopper of an OS X machine.

The way I see it, if Apple can give performance that betters that available from PC consumer notebooks using a G3(which, we have previously show, it can), then why go to a G4? To raise the price just to give the appearance of a faster machine? Remember when Intel did that with the P4s that were actually SLOWER than the P3s of the same era? Remember how we Mac users said, "Stupid Intel!"??? Putting a G4 in the iBook just to have a G4 in the iBook is silly. When the G3 can no longer do the iBook justice, only then will it be G4 time

Macmaniac
Jun 18, 2002, 10:01 AM
I bet Apple will have 800mhz and 900mhz models at MWNY, or sometime after. Maybe with a faster bus an better graphics card. The G3 won't be going anywhere until after the 1ghz G3 comes out, maybe at MWSF. The G3 has plenty of life in it, and Jaguar will help extend it. By staying with a G3 Apple can cut the price:)

drastik
Jun 18, 2002, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by SlowX
, but...

Remember when a G3 Pismo was the bomb?
Ah, memories....
:)

Gotta tell ya, my Pismos still pretty hot. I run Final Cut 3 on it and use t as my mobile studio machine. Between it and my Elura, I'm free to roam. Its not usefull for full res DV, but the offline RT option is totaly viable, even with a dinky ten gigs of free drive space, thats almost five hours in RT land. I can save it down and do one final render at the end, which does take forever, or I can switch over to my desktop and recapture at my leisure.

The point of all this is that Apple has done a funy and wonderfull thing with this progeram, and I hope this will continue to happen.

iN fcp3, i HAVE A MORE VIABLE AND USEFULL PRODUCT ON AN OLDER MACHINE. Apple's new software takes less punch to be effective.

I love it.:D

NoWonder
Jun 18, 2002, 11:04 AM
Well, I think this settles it once and for all, we are NOT going to see a G5 at MWNY. There is no way that apple is going to be shipping G3's, G4's and G5's at the same time, and no way they are going to keep selling a two generation old chip...

Oh well, I didn't think we would see it this soon anyway.

--nw

blakespot
Jun 18, 2002, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by rice_web
When the iBook was revised just shortly ago, I truely expected a 133Mhz system bus. Why they chose a 100MHz system bus is beyond me, considering that the FP iMac may be bumped to 133 at MWNY.

The jump to 133MHz would make a HUGE difference in operating OS X, as the faster access to the memory (which OS X uses a lot of) quickens even menu pull-downs (not to mention Quake framerates).
If you want a 133MHz bus Apple laptop, it's the PowerBook G4 you're looking for. Let's remember that the PowerBook and the iBook are in different product categories, marketed to different users. Apple doesn't just arbitrarily pick this or that bus speed and go with it -- they intentionally have kept it down at 100MHz so as not to steal sales away from the PowerBook G4, which has a larger profit margin for the company. I am often surprised that people don't realize that there is forethought that goes into the specs and price of this machine vs. that in a company's lineup.

I have a DP G4 800 w/ GeForce 3 on my desktop and recently purchased a iBook 700. This iBook is plenty fast for most tasks. I've not yet felt that it has been at all sluggish, and I've only got 256MB of RAM in it at the moment. It even plays a decent game of Q3 at 1024x768.

The latest iBooks _are_ fast enough to run OS X _very_well_.



blakespot

Rajj
Jun 18, 2002, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Macmaniac
I bet Apple will have 800mhz and 900mhz models at MWNY, or sometime after. Maybe with a faster bus an better graphics card. The G3 won't be going anywhere until after the 1ghz G3 comes out, maybe at MWSF. The G3 has plenty of life in it, and Jaguar will help extend it. By staying with a G3 Apple can cut the price:)

What is the micron size on the new G3 Sahara chips?

edenwaith
Jun 18, 2002, 03:28 PM
I use 3 Macs w/ Os X, and I get along fine for the most part, but I would like to get a computer eventually which really bumps up the speed of things. My fastest Mac is a 500 MHz iBook, which runs okay, but it would be nice if apps started faster and other graphical elements such as windows dropping down were faster. On an 800 MHz new iMac I tried out, it was blazingly fast in comparison to my other computers. Perhaps if I land a nice job at the beginning of next year, I might get a new machine. If I do some extensive over-seas traveling, then I might look into trading in my current ibook (and perhaps my G4 tower) for a faster iBook...or maybe a lower-end Power Book. But, I'd probably want at least 600-800 MHz with 20 GB Hard drive. The 10 GB HD in my iBook just doesn't do it, and I realized that. Already I've come close to filling up the hard drive with downloads, movie clips, songs, and some programs I've written.

It seems to be pointing that the G5 won't make an appearance this year, or if it does, it won't be at MacWorld. Hopefully this summer won't be a downer. If Apple does have some tricks up its sleeves, then this might keep things interesting.

oeyvind
Jun 18, 2002, 08:08 PM
"No new hardware", that's what they say at MW Tokyo but we see new stuffs like PB G4 DVI and new iBook, Xserve, etc.

Nice spin... ^^

arn
Jun 19, 2002, 05:56 AM
Originally posted by oeyvind
"No new hardware", that's what they say at MW Tokyo but we see new stuffs like PB G4 DVI and new iBook, Xserve, etc.

Nice spin... ^^

They said no new hardware (Macs) to be introduced AT MacWorld Tokyo. And they only introduced a new iPod.

The "no new hardware" comment wasn't meant to cover the rest of the year... just until MacWorld Tokyo.

"We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo, as a matter of fact, we're set for some months now," said Joswiak. "Having just updated all four product quadrants, it's really nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants again at Macworld Tokyo."

applebesmart
Jun 19, 2002, 10:29 PM
It is amazing how everyone that does not have an ibook states that an ibook with a G4 is what they need. I have a friend who has a powerbook with the g4 800mhz chip. The thing is so hot, that it freezes and shuts down. Your not going to believe this, but he puts it in the fridge(sealed in plastic) so he can work on it longer-this is true.
I have one of the new ibook G3 700mhz and i have to say that its the best Mac I have ever had. I run it and every program i have under 9.2, and it has yet to freeze or crash on me yet. I run Logic Audio Gold 4.8 on it and it runs everything fine. And best of all, it doesn't get hot.
Another thing, the 12inch is fine just for about everything you do. I use Photoshop, work on my webpages, and do everything on this bad boy.
The only complaint I have about this bad boy is that it wasn't available sooner.


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Technology has made my life complicated because now i have no excuses.:)

dantec
Jun 19, 2002, 11:34 PM
Yeah I know what you mean. A friend of mine has a 550 PB. We decided to stay up all night, having a great Quake-Alice-Giants fest.

Turns out, after the first hour or so his powerbook starts heating up... Then at around 3 hours, the fan comes on. (I'm not sure if this is from the heat, but I am pretty sure it is) - All of a sudden we got a 70 % drop in framerates and everything was sluggish (genie effect, moving around windows, opening stuff). So we put the laptop into sleep for 30 minutes. We then woke it up again, and starting playing for another 3 hours. Everything was back to normal.

Thank god that thing was on a table. It would have melted my friends lap!

McFreggle
Jun 20, 2002, 02:50 AM
Originally posted by applebesmart
I have one of the new ibook G3 700mhz and i have to say that its the best Mac I have ever had. I run it and every program i have under 9.2, and it has yet to freeze or crash on me yet. I run Logic Audio Gold 4.8 on it and it runs everything fine. And best of all, it doesn't get hot.


I have to disagree... I have an iBook G3 600MHz, and it _does_ get hot. When I watch a DVD, I can bake an egg on it.

k.

PS: Yeah, the 12 inch is okay, but it's not about screen size... I want more resolution... :(

dantec
Jun 20, 2002, 05:34 AM
Originally posted by McFreggle


I have to disagree... I have an iBook G3 600MHz, and it _does_ get hot. When I watch a DVD, I can bake an egg on it.

k.

PS: Yeah, the 12 inch is okay, but it's not about screen size... I want more resolution... :(

I used my friends too, for 2 days. His iBook never gets as hot as my friends Powerbook.

McFreggle
Jun 20, 2002, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by dantec


I used my friends too, for 2 days. His iBook never gets as hot as my friends Powerbook.

Cool! So If I want to make steak in stead of eggs, I have to get me a PowerBook!

:D

k.

britboy
Jun 20, 2002, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by blakespot


The latest iBooks _are_ fast enough to run OS X _very_well_.

blakespot


This is very true. Last night a friend and i were playing with our laptops side by side (he has an iBook 600 w/384 and I a tibook 500 w/768), and both were perfectly adequate for OS X. The only time the G3 lagged a bit was when dabbling around in iMovie, and even then it wasn't chronic. For general activities the iBook didn't lag at all.

McFreggle
Jun 20, 2002, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by britboy
This is very true.

And it certainly will be very very true with Jaguar. The thing relatively flies on my iBook 600.

k.

Macsand
Jun 20, 2002, 08:36 AM
I fully agree with Applebesmart comment. I Just have got my new iBook700 12.1 and every thing work really smooth and fast. Even Photoshop and illustrator work just fine. Of course with a 12.1" at 1024X768 I did not expected to have as much space as on my quick silver 22" monitor but it is workable. And as the main purpose is to carry it away every where and save and edit quickly digital pics on the go I am fully satisfied. The second purpose is to use it for navigation as a chart plotter connected to my GPS and for that the size is absolutely perfect for both the car and the boat and a TiBook would much to delicate in this conditions.
I don't agree with those who have suggested higher res. On a 12.1" over 1024X768 it would become just unreadable (or is it my age...)