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mactastic
Feb 21, 2009, 05:46 PM
I think we would all agree that this (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20budget.html?_r=1) represents a significant change (maybe even one you can believe in) from past administrations:
For his first annual budget next week, President Obama has banned four accounting gimmicks that President George W. Bush used to make deficit projections look smaller. The price of more honest bookkeeping: A budget that is $2.7 trillion deeper in the red over the next decade than it would otherwise appear, according to administration officials.

The new accounting involves spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Medicare reimbursements to physicians and the cost of disaster responses.

But the biggest adjustment will deal with revenues from the alternative minimum tax, a parallel tax system enacted in 1969 to prevent the wealthy from using tax shelters to avoid paying any income tax.

Even with bigger deficit projections, the Obama administration will put the country on “a sustainable fiscal course” by the end of Mr. Obama’s term, Peter R. Orszag, the director of the Office of Management and Budget, said Thursday in an interview. Mr. Orszag did not provide details of how the administration would reduce a deficit expected to reach at least $1.5 trillion this year.

Mr. Obama’s banishment of the gimmicks, which have been widely criticized, is in keeping with his promise to run a more transparent government.

Fiscal sleight of hand has long been a staple of federal budgets, giving rise to phrases like “rosy scenario” and “magic asterisks.”

The $2.7 trillion in additional deficit spending, Mr. Orszag said, is “a huge amount of money that would just be kind of a magic asterisk in previous budgets.”

“The president prefers to tell the truth,” he said, “rather than make the numbers look better by pretending.”

Recent presidents and Congresses were complicit in the ploy involving the alternative minimum tax. While that tax was intended to hit the wealthiest taxpayers, it was not indexed for inflation. That fact and the tax breaks of the Bush years have meant that it could affect millions of middle-class taxpayers.

If they paid it, the government would get billions of dollars more in tax revenues, which is what past budgets have projected. But it would also probably mean a taxpayer revolt. So each year the White House and Congress agree to “patch” the alternative tax for inflation, and the extra revenues never materialize.

Nearly $70 billion of the just-enacted $787 billion economic recovery plan reflected the bookkeeping cost of adjusting the alternative tax for a year.

The White House budget office calculates that over the next decade, the tax would add $1.2 trillion in revenues. But Mr. Obama is not counting those revenues, and he is adding $218 billion to the 10-year deficit projections to reflect the added interest the government would pay for its extra debt.

As for war costs, Mr. Bush included little or none in his annual military budgets, instead routinely asking Congress for supplemental appropriations during the year. Mr. Obama will include cost projections for every year through the 2019 fiscal year to cover “overseas military contingencies” — nearly $500 billion over 10 years.

For Medicare, Mr. Bush routinely budgeted less than actual costs for payments to physicians, although he and Congress regularly waived a law mandating the lower reimbursements for fear that doctors would quit serving beneficiaries in protest.

Mr. Obama will budget $401 billion over 10 years for higher costs and interest on the debt.

He will also budget $273 billion in that period for natural disasters. Every year the government pays billions for disaster relief, but presidents and lawmakers have long ignored budget reformers’ calls for a contingency account to reflect that certainty.
The question is, how long will it take before some conservative looking to score political points tries to compare the Obama deficit numbers to the Bush numbers without accounting for Bush's fuzzy math? I'm guessing it happens pretty fast...



jonbravo77
Feb 21, 2009, 05:50 PM
it's going to happen really fast, starting in this forum.. lol. I do find it real interesting how people seem to forget that Bush tried the stimulus check thing and it didn't work, and then the $700 billion package which didn't work the way they thought it would. But everyone latches onto Obama's $787 billion and they all know it won't work because they are all economic scholars who just haven't found the right opportunity to run for government office to make the changes they say will work...

mactastic
Feb 21, 2009, 06:17 PM
I do find it real interesting how people seem to forget that Bush tried the stimulus check thing and it didn't work...
Well, to be fair, it did have a measurable effect, but i wasn't the solution it was promised to be.

What it did do was push off the inevitable label of an economy in recession (as measured by two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth) until after the November elections. Didn't help the GOP, but that doesn't mean they didn't try.

Rodimus Prime
Feb 21, 2009, 06:22 PM
I think we would all agree that this (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20budget.html?_r=1) represents a significant change (maybe even one you can believe in) from past administrations:

The question is, how long will it take before some conservative looking to score political points tries to compare the Obama deficit numbers to the Bush numbers without accounting for Bush's fuzzy math? I'm guessing it happens pretty fast...



In all fairnesss we should also look at clintons numbers as well.

I willing to bet that his surpose also came from some fuzzy numbers as well.

Presidents for years have been using fuzzy numbers get the budget less than it really is and to cover up spending.

It would be nice to see the US try to get to a balance budget.

lord patton
Feb 21, 2009, 06:44 PM
Good for Obama. Those are significant changes, and not ones that come without political liability.

I'll be truly impressed if he starts excluding the Social Security surplus from the general budget projections.

Counterfit
Feb 21, 2009, 11:14 PM
I think we would all agree that this (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20budget.html?_r=1) represents a significant change (maybe even one you can believe in) from past administrations:

The question is, how long will it take before some conservative looking to score political points tries to compare the Obama deficit numbers to the Bush numbers without accounting for Bush's fuzzy math? I'm guessing it happens pretty fast...

Hell, I'm amazed it hasn't happened already!

Salavat23
Feb 21, 2009, 11:20 PM
He'll ban four, and add ten. That's just the way politics seems to work nowadays.:(

Ugg
Feb 22, 2009, 12:16 AM
Good for Obama. Those are significant changes, and not ones that come without political liability.

I'll be truly impressed if he starts excluding the Social Security surplus from the general budget projections.

Well, if he does that, he's a brave man. I wonder how low the surplus will be by the end of the year?

Marble
Feb 22, 2009, 08:30 AM
He'll ban four, and add ten. That's just the way politics seems to work nowadays.:(

"That's just the way things are" has to be one of the most abused statements of the century.

lord patton
Feb 22, 2009, 09:33 AM
Well, if he does that, he's a brave man. I wonder how low the surplus will be by the end of the year?

Who cares? The "trust fund" will keep SS in the black until 2050! ;)

Serioiusly, we are so f'd.