MacRumors is sick

[longball11]

I bought my first Mac in 2007 and I have loved it ever since. I also said that I probably wont use windows ever again after I get rid of this computer I am using (unless im forced to at school or work). This is before I found out about Macrumors. Now I read Macrumors on a daily basis. But I find it horrible. The reason is because all you hear is complaints, failures, demands and small things. It makes me want to switch back to using a Dell. Dell has a nice 15'' XPS that starts out as a cheap build. But at the same time, I might see and hear this everywhere. Oh well, I look at Macrumors more though, and they do a convincing job at making me want to switch back.

Just had to get it off my chest. Rant or Rave at me all you want.

[Iscariot]

Should we see a doctor?

[EricNau]

You would find the same complaints on any computer/technology forum; it's the nature of the beast. People experiencing problems are naturally more vocal than those who are perfectly content.

Other's complaints shouldn't influence your opinion. If you are happy with your Mac that's all that matters.

[leekohler]

Here's the thing- a lot of people come here when they have a problem. So of course you'll hear mostly complaints. The fact is that the vast majority of Mac users have no problems at all, or very few.

[és:]

This is before I found out about Macrumors. Now I read Macrumors on a daily basis. But I find it horrible.

If you find it horrible then why read it on a daily basis?

The reason is because all you hear is complaints, failures, demands and small things.

That is why people use certain forums. You're not going to find many 'my Mac is running fine and dandy' posts in the 'Mac Help' section.

It makes me want to switch back to using a Dell. Dell has a nice 15'' XPS that starts out as a cheap build.

Other people having problems makes you want to switch back to Dell. Did you read what you had written before posting?

Oh well, I look at Macrumors more though, and they do a convincing job at making me want to switch back.

Then switch back. If all it takes is some people on the most popular Mac messageboard to have a problem, mostly user generated no doubt, then switch back to Dell. They have a great record in being problem free...


Oh, wait.

[zap2]

Couldn't you use a Mac, and just not come here(or to the threads which bother you)

[Eric5h5]

According to this (http://www.changewave.com/assets/alliance/reports/consumer_spending_20090218press/pc_20090218pr.pdf) (bottom of page 4), Apple buyers have the highest satisfaction rating by a pretty big margin, with 81% saying they are "very satisfied", with Dell having only 55% who say that. You sure you want to go back to that kind of crappiness?

--Eric

[.Andy]

I bought my first Mac in 2007 and I have loved it ever since. I also said that I probably wont use windows ever again after I get rid of this computer I am using (unless im forced to at school or work). This is before I found out about Macrumors. Now I read Macrumors on a daily basis. But I find it horrible. The reason is because all you hear is complaints, failures, demands and small things. It makes me want to switch back to using a Dell. Dell has a nice 15'' XPS that starts out as a cheap build. But at the same time, I might see and hear this everywhere. Oh well, I look at Macrumors more though, and they do a convincing job at making me want to switch back.

Just had to get it off my chest. Rant or Rave at me all you want.
I'm much happier since I went through and added the 10 000 most active posters to my ignore list. Now the forums is pretty much just my own posts which I enjoy reading greatly. They're always good for a laugh :).

[Sun Baked]

Should we see a doctor?

That would be worse than reading MR...

Imagine what you would think of the human race if you were a doctor:

Probably time to go back to being a tree climbing primate, or even retreat to swimming in the ocean.

[jonbravo77]

I'm much happier since I went through and added the 10 000 most active posters to my ignore list. Now the forums is pretty much just my own posts which I enjoy reading greatly. They're always good for a laugh :).

Just as long as you don't find yourself posting against yourself, then trolling yourself just to get banned because you reported yourself... That would suck.. :eek:

[IJ Reilly]

It's partly in the nature of the beast, but a bit worse I think here in MacLand because too many people believe that Apple is supposed to deliver them straight to computing nirvana, and any deviations are considered to be a betrayal of the promise. Many threads started here could be boiled down to, "what, Apple isn't perfect?" That's one class of critique you won't find on any Windows forum. Most Windows users assume that Microsoft is flawed and are overjoyed when they get anything right.

[Koodauw]

Should we see a doctor?

Paging Dr. arn

[iJohnHenry]

Not being aware of scientists 'proving' it cannot fly work, the bumblebee PC succeeds under "the power of its own ignorance".

:p

[Winni]

There's nothing wrong with Dell. Good service and prices and in my experience the products are also very dependable. However, I'm not so sure if -other- people's problems are a valid reason to switch back - provided that their problems don't affect you.

About the PC/Bumblebee thing: I could say the same crap about Macs. People like you are simply blinded by Apple's design and marketing and somehow you usually feel superior because you chose to become a member of a self-proclaimed elitist club and spent a lot of money on that membership. So if the original poster had said that this would be his reason to switch back to Dell, I would have said that he's right. This whole <company or product here>-worshipping is fundamentally annoying, to say the least.

[IJ Reilly]

"Blinded by design," now there's a concept.

[marold280]

Ppl come on here because they are the one in a million that have a problem with a mac XD

[ziggyonice]

I bought my first Mac in 2007 and I have loved it ever since. I also said that I probably wont use windows ever again after I get rid of this computer I am using (unless im forced to at school or work). This is before I found out about Macrumors. Now I read Macrumors on a daily basis. But I find it horrible. The reason is because all you hear is complaints, failures, demands and small things. It makes me want to switch back to using a Dell. Dell has a nice 15'' XPS that starts out as a cheap build. But at the same time, I might see and hear this everywhere. Oh well, I look at Macrumors more though, and they do a convincing job at making me want to switch back.

Just had to get it off my chest. Rant or Rave at me all you want.

Well this may be adding fuel to your fire, but uh... what? Let me get this straight: you love using your Mac, but then you find out about the MacRumors forums -- which is a tech site (where complaints are common) -- and because of peoples' complaining, you're wanting to switch back to a Dell.

That's like saying you don't like watching your Star Wars anymore because too many people complain about how Han shot first.

[ziggyonice]

That's like saying you don't like watching your Star Wars anymore because too many people complain about how Han shot first.

Which he did. :rolleyes:

[Doctor Q]

I'm a big fan of Apple products, and reliability is one of the reasons. I help people with both Macs and PCs, and everyone has occasional problems, but I run into more serious issues with PCs.

I admit that I post here when I have a problem, and never post just to say "my Apple stuff is working just fine!"

[ziggyonice]

I admit that I post here when I have a problem, and never post just to say "my Apple stuff is working just fine!"

This is an excellent point. Most people post items on forums to solve a problem -- few people post to say that their computer is doing great.

[GGJstudios]

I agree with others: if you don't like what you read here.... STOP READING!

Your complaint is akin to someone who hangs out in a hospital every day and then complains, "the whole world is sick!" The millions and millions of happy Mac users aren't going to post in this forum, "My Mac is fine and I have no problems!" :rolleyes:

[Sun Baked]

Note on the worshiping: that isn't done here, that is reserved for the pagan god section of the forum. ;)

[macfan881]

I bought my first Mac in 2007 and I have loved it ever since. I also said that I probably wont use windows ever again after I get rid of this computer I am using (unless im forced to at school or work). This is before I found out about Macrumors. Now I read Macrumors on a daily basis. But I find it horrible. The reason is because all you hear is complaints, failures, demands and small things. It makes me want to switch back to using a Dell. Dell has a nice 15'' XPS that starts out as a cheap build. But at the same time, I might see and hear this everywhere. Oh well, I look at Macrumors more though, and they do a convincing job at making me want to switch back.

Just had to get it off my chest. Rant or Rave at me all you want.

you should have been here back when apple put out the 8021n enabler for the Imac wich was a 2$ upgrade :p

[ravenvii]

Go visit a Dell forum somewhere, and you'll find that there are complaints about their hardware just like there are here.

Mac users' complaints are more noticeable because the community and fanbase (I said fanbase, not userbase) is much, much larger.

And do you seriously want to say that you've been satisfied with your Mac for the past two years, yet want to switch because there's a lot of complainers here? You know, there's a lot of complainers here back in 2007, too. Why don't you go back and look at the posts at 2007? You'll see just as many complainers, and yet you're happy with your machine from 2007. Why is now different, other than the fact that you're aware of MacRumors now, and not back then?

I think you should fix your logic, there's a few bugs here and there.

[iJohnHenry]

The millions and millions of happy Mac users aren't going to post in this forum, "My Mac is fine and I have no problems!" :rolleyes:

1st anniversary, first time user.

My iMac is fine and I have no problems!

[Cabbit]

Gota love them free thinkers. I am perfectly happy with the product i bought but because other people are not i am going to spend more money and get a product with a different brand that i may not be satisfied with and i will find other people whom are also not satisfied with this new product so i will once again spend more money and buy another brand.

Moral of the story. If yours device whatever it may be works and works well just keep using it, basing your future and current purchases of the opinions of others is lunacy. I know many people whom hate my mac and my choice in camera though i will not go out and buy different branded equipment to appease them, that would cost a lot of money and frankly though i often act younger than my age i am no longer a teenager in high school that needs to wear cheep uncomfortable Adidas shoes to fit in when i choose to wear many different branded and un-branded clothing items.

Grow up and think for yourself.

[NC MacGuy]

Let me get this, you are going to switch from a loved Mac back to a PC - because of MR?

Go figure....:rolleyes:

[GGJstudios]

Let me get this, you are going to switch from a loved Mac back to a PC - because of MR?

Go figure....:rolleyes:
Actually, that might not be such a bad thing.... the average IQ of Mac owners would go up!

[DPA]

Paging Dr. arn

Paging Doctor Q;)

David

[ravenvii]

Actually, that might not be such a bad thing.... the average IQ of Mac owners would go up!

Oh true...

Forget what I said above, go and switch! MACs suck! It's got all those problems like blue screens and only one mouse button!

PC rules!

[bradenwh]

MacRumors is like communism.
Very tight and strict rules.
Full of authoritative figures looking for someone to ban or send a warning to.
Can't do anything without consulting the rules.
And it's every man for himself.

Kinda sucks.

[GGJstudios]

MacRumors is like communism.
Very tight and strict rules.
Full of authoritative figures looking for someone to ban or send a warning to.
Can't do anything without consulting the rules.
And it's every man for himself.

Kinda sucks.
If you don't like it here, you are generously invited to enjoy the thrill of leaving! :p

On your way out, right click on "communism" in your post and click "Look Up in Dictionary":
com･mu･nism |ˈkämyəˌnizəm| (often Communism)
noun
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
That's more like "every man for the state", not "every man for himself".

[longball11]

I agree with others: if you don't like what you read here.... STOP READING!

Your complaint is akin to someone who hangs out in a hospital every day and then complains, "the whole world is sick!" The millions and millions of happy Mac users aren't going to post in this forum, "My Mac is fine and I have no problems!" :rolleyes:

Heh, you're the guy who cant stand someone repeating a thread. I advise you do the same u asked me to do. ;)

[r.j.s]

MacRumors is like communism.
Very tight and strict rules.
Full of authoritative figures looking for someone to ban or send a warning to.
Can't do anything without consulting the rules.
And it's every man for himself.

Kinda sucks.

Actually, that is nothing like communism.

[redwarrior]

This is just stupid. MR is like a free country, if you don't like it, leave.:rolleyes: ... IQ elevation is always a good thing.

[GGJstudios]

Heh, you're the guy who cant stand someone repeating a thread. I advise you do the same u asked me to do. ;)
It's not me who "can't stand someone repeating a thread". That's the Forum Rules, you're referring to. And I'm not repeating a thread. I responded to two different posters. My opinion doesn't have to change, just to satisfy your twisted view of the forum.

[és:]

MacRumors is like communism. it's every man for himself.


What is it with people knowing nothing about Communism?

[it5five]

What is it with people knowing nothing about Communism?

They were educated in the United States, most likely. I hardly see any other nationality so completely botch the definition of any political or economic ideologies.

[ceezy3000]

people who dont know what communism or any other ideologys are retarded, dont judge america like that, its all the inbred red states that dont know much

people who dont know what communism or any other ideologys are retarded, dont judge america like that, its all the inbred red states that dont know much
actually i take that back about red states, just got proved wrong by my brother, what is the world coming to

[Sesshi]

Here's the thing- a lot of people come here when they have a problem.

Which is why I'm here all the time of course :p


Oh yeah, don't buy that 15" Dell. Buy the 16" Dell.

Actually, that might not be such a bad thing.... the average IQ of Mac owners would go up!

On the contrary: You might get a more typical Mac user here who's not smart enough to switch back to Windows after a dabble with OS X to replace him and drag the place down even further. http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5306/naughty17hs.gif

[fr33 loader]

*scratches head and leaves thread

[nick9191]

You know why? Because Dell don't have 100 forums dedicated to it.

Apple makes the most reliable computers, period. Apple also has the best consumer customer service and the highest satisfaction rating.

http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/mac-planet/2008/12/22/apple-macs-most-reliable-and-vista-gets-better/?ref=rss&c_id=5

And the new Unibodies are the most reliable Macs I've seen in years.

[dernhelm]

The millions and millions of happy Mac users aren't going to post in this forum, "My Mac is fine and I have no problems!" :rolleyes:

My Mac is fine and I have no problems... ;)

I'm just sayin'!

[Sesshi]

You know why? Because Dell don't have 100 forums dedicated to it.

Apple makes the most reliable computers, period. Apple also has the best consumer customer service and the highest satisfaction rating.

http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/mac-planet/2008/12/22/apple-macs-most-reliable-and-vista-gets-better/?ref=rss&c_id=5

And the new Unibodies are the most reliable Macs I've seen in years.

A worthless article. And it's the only one which gets wheeled out every time ;)

I've got some periods for you, courtesy of the Sesshi purchase ledger over the last ~ twelve months: 12 Apple notebooks - 11 Applecare'd / DOA replaced. 18 Sony notebooks - 3 in for repair. And these are only the notebooks I bought for purely my own use!

[marbles]

A worthless article. And it's the only one which gets wheeled out every time ;)

I've got some periods for you, courtesy of the Sesshi purchase ledger over the last ~ twelve months: 12 Apple notebooks - 11 Applecare'd / DOA replaced. 18 Sony notebooks - 3 in for repair. And these are only the notebooks I bought for purely my own use!


Add me into that one, 8 Macs purchased - 8 Macs DOA between 2005- 2007 and in October 2008 3 unibody MBP's purchased 3 opened in store and had dents , dings and scratches inside the wrapper:eek: .

I think these type of articles which say Macs are the best for this n that must get info from years ago because from my experience they have big quality control issues imo as for customer service , It's like having a tooth pulled sometimes

I'll be buying other Macs though, I need the OS, legally



As for MR , it's good, no complaints here, when the title said "Marumors is sick" I presumed they have a issue with the server or something ,what an odd thing t say, there are hundreds and thousands of members here and everyone is different just chat an enjoy yourself. Of course if people have an issue with their Mac they'll come here , that's how I first found the place when I as googling for fixes, It's 'one of them' isn't it , you know a community ....takes all sorts , sometimes I've laughed so hard at various posts an then agai I've had infuriating(maybe a bit strong) times and confused at some peoples way of thinking , like I said it's a community , which includes all sorts , stop over analyzing and chill fella

[Consultant]

Just read the front page. Ignore the forums or comments.

Apple leads 2009 customer satisfaction
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/02/18/apple-leads-2009-customer-satisfaction-survey/

[IJ Reilly]

*scratches head and leaves thread

Title of thread proven?

[zPolarBear]

I was told once.
When you see the grass on the other side of the fence as greener, just remember. It means that yesterday there was a lot of manure there...

----
Apple ][ user, programmer, then Mac since Mac128K. Programming since MacBasic (Before Bill G. blackmailed that code and name from Apple). Serviced, built and programmed on PCs since mid 80's. My record? Average PC fix time 3hrs, average Mac fix time 20 minutes ... (and rising--unfortunately)...

[Eric5h5]

A worthless article. And it's the only one which gets wheeled out every time ;)

There have been quite a few others, including the one I linked to earlier in this thread.

I've got some periods for you, courtesy of the Sesshi purchase ledger over the last ~ twelve months: 12 Apple notebooks - 11 Applecare'd / DOA replaced. 18 Sony notebooks - 3 in for repair. And these are only the notebooks I bought for purely my own use!

My experience: 1 G5 Power Mac, 1 C2D Mac Mini, 1 2G iPod touch, 0 flaws, no repairs ever. However, this is all pointless info. You can't go by any one person's individual experience; you need a broad sampling. All the broad samplings I've seen say that Apple is most reliable overall. If you have bad luck, well, sucks to be you I guess, but that doesn't really mean much in the larger picture.

--Eric

[fr33 loader]

Title of thread proven?

:D Should I start looking at Dell too?



Pot, kettle, black...

[IJ Reilly]

You can't go by any one person's individual experience; you need a broad sampling.

Anecdotes rule!

:D Should I start looking at Dell too?

Look, but don't touch.

Pot, kettle, black...

This thread has been about nearly everything else but the topic, so why not cooking?

[Consultant]

This thread has been about nearly everything else but the topic, so why not cooking?


How about something really "sick"?
"Questionable: Highly Inappropriate zzZune Ad"
http://www.geekologie.com/2008/11/questionable_highly_inappropri.php

[IJ Reilly]

Oh, thanks.

[leekohler]

A worthless article. And it's the only one which gets wheeled out every time ;)

I've got some periods for you, courtesy of the Sesshi purchase ledger over the last ~ twelve months: 12 Apple notebooks - 11 Applecare'd / DOA replaced. 18 Sony notebooks - 3 in for repair. And these are only the notebooks I bought for purely my own use!

Then why do you still use Macs? Why are you even here? Seems to me that if almost 99% of Macs you bought were defective, yet you still buy them and hang out here, Apple is not the problem- you are.

That said, I've owned 5 Macs- all flawless.

[nick9191]

A worthless article. And it's the only one which gets wheeled out every time ;)

I've got some periods for you, courtesy of the Sesshi purchase ledger over the last ~ twelve months: 12 Apple notebooks - 11 Applecare'd / DOA replaced. 18 Sony notebooks - 3 in for repair. And these are only the notebooks I bought for purely my own use!
You know what thats called? Bad luck.

Why is it a worthless article, because it proves something that you disagree with?

[leekohler]

You know what thats called? Bad luck.

Why is it a worthless article, because it proves something that you disagree with?

Yep- how exactly does one person need 30 notebooks for their own personal use? For a business, sure. But all by yourself?

[nick9191]

A worthless article. And it's the only one which gets wheeled out every time ;)

I've got some periods for you, courtesy of the Sesshi purchase ledger over the last ~ twelve months: 12 Apple notebooks - 11 Applecare'd / DOA replaced. 18 Sony notebooks - 3 in for repair. And these are only the notebooks I bought for purely my own use!

I've got a Macbook, one issue, cracking palmrest. Called up, sent me a box the next day, mailed it in, back within 3/4 days of me making the call.

12ish iMacs in my media class at college, not a single issue with any of them. My teacher, 2 Macbooks and a 24" iMac, one dead battery which they replaced in 30 seconds in the store.

Me, 2 iPods, my friend, 1 iPod, my teacher, 1 iPhone, no issue with any of them.

Thats 2 minor issues out of 20 Apple products.

But why should I believe you, why should you believe me, thats the point of an independent survey. To disregard the evidence in favour of your own experience makes me laugh. And you know as well as I do that Apple's DOA and damage rate is definitely not 100% that you claim, thats why I am correct when I say you did have bad luck.

I have more

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=16183
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20061019143213.html
http://www.laptops.co.uk/news/2009/Jan/apple-laptops-voted-most-reliable.html
http://www.pcworld.com/article/156459/apple_belkin_trendnet_make_most_reliable_routers.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2005/oct/06/news.uknews
http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-phones/news/2008/11/10/iPhone-Most-Popular-US-Handset---Most-Reliable/p1

[Sesshi]

nick, give it up - you do realise half the time you (and everyone else like you) are linking to the same irrelevant source, don't you?

Then why do you still use Macs? Why are you even here? Seems to me that if almost 99% of Macs you bought were defective, yet you still buy them and hang out here, Apple is not the problem- you are.

That said, I've owned 5 Macs- all flawless.

Over how many years?

Yep- how exactly does one person need 30 notebooks for their own personal use? For a business, sure. But all by yourself?

I can understand how to some it might be a poser. Are you picturing me with a stack of them? It doesn't quite work that way. I said all the notebooks I bought in a year. My average replacement frequency of a notebook is around 9 months for every category of notebook I have - UMPC/HPC, subnote, thin/light, mainstream, ~17" - and I have multiples of them at the places I work and live in. I also don't Boot Camp - as Macs can't actually run Windows, so an OS X machine is just an OS X machine. Factor that and you'll see how you can hit the low double digits quite quickly. I've tried working with less, but it hasn't worked out.

In 2008-9 I bought (for my own use for work and home) Air's, UB and non-UB MBP's in both 17 and 15 inch guises and the aforementioned UB MB's totalling 12 machines. Of them, just one of the new MB's has not yet encountered a DOA, FOA return, FOA, multiple-defect return, or just something which cropped up requiring Applecare (in some cases, repeat visits). The POS Air's are gone, the UB MBP has been returned, while other machines are either still with me or have been diverted elsewhere.

Currently between work and home the notebooks I actually spend time in front of are four Dell Precision Covets, one Dell Studio XPS 16, two Dell Studio's, four Sony UX's, three TT's(1 faulty - screen), four SZ's (2 faulty - free fall sensor + battery), two Z's, two UB Macbooks (one defect free, one damaged on arrival), one Penryn 17" (On the 'last Applecare before replacement' repair), 1 Merom 17" (Applecare'd at least 4 times in it's life), and two 15-inch Penryns - which are currently spending a lot of time in Applecare, which is why I've fished out two Santa Rosas from spares. Both of these actually need Applecaring themselves but their faults don't need immediate attention.


The problem with these "discussions" is that it's exactly the logic of for example, someone calling an SUV reliable because it works great for them in their shopping run, or the guy who runs a moderate-duty city fleet saying the same - and turning on a contractor for saying it's a piece of junk when they bought a fleet to deploy with cross-country. In fact, this is a perfect illustration of this ongoing particular 'discussion'.

A similar situation goes for those customer surveys - given a level consumer playing field, you're comparing a disparate number of very low-end Windows machines against Apples. I'd like to see a corporate version of the survey - I suspect that Apples will fare significantly less well in that respect. The problem also with digging up these surveys is that many of you have no idea what the surveys are actually measuring, and how they are doing so - but like so many other 'discussions' in this forum, the levels of ego doesn't account for that eventuality. All it does, is actually make you look pretty much like a dumb fanboy who has no concept of the wider world. Of course I know that Apple buyers get the feelgood factor. And if you don't do anything that critical / substantial on these machines (and if you think Applecare's support terms are acceptable, you don't) I can understand how it seems like the best brand in the world.

Any computer these days should be pretty much flawless if all it does is what most of you do (and I won't even put "likely") in the course of the day, and you aren't a complete idiot. Both of my kitchen iMacs were/have been flawless too - mainly because it's used solely as a glorified TV. The main issue is the surprisingly low level of 'system stress' at which things get pear-shaped. I fully realise that many of you never cross that level.

Quite apart from the Macs themselves, I've spent more on OS X development to date than almost any of you will spend in a lifetme on personal technology. The need to leverage and recoup that is what keeps my XServes and client machines (some of which are Sony's running Hackintosh in a VM) humming - let alone anything else. Thanks to the recession, unfortunately it looks like you won't be rid of me in 2010 - the year I'd intended to discontinue all business use of OS X.

I don't actually think that badly of the OS itself and I think it works just fine for the uses I need to put it to - although the choice, nature and broad quality of the applications are too narrow to be a fully rounded platform. It's the hardware that makes the deal extremely painful for me - even for home use, and that is the most surprising thing of all perhaps.

[Consultant]

You know what thats called? Bad luck.

Why is it a worthless article, because it proves something that you disagree with?

Or actually, perhaps it's USER ERROR.

[skunk]

Or actually, perhaps it's USER ERROR.Come on, it's not very likely that someone who uses computers enough to justify this kind of turnover is going to be guilty of USER ERROR.

[longball11]

Heh, now you spilling complaints onto my thread where I didn't want to hear it. haha :p

[IJ Reilly]

But isn't that just it? No matter what the topic of the thread may be, some will always drag the discussion towards their own personal hobby horse issues.

[kabunaru]

as Macs can actually run Windows, thanks to Boot Camp

Corrected for you. :)

[aksmax]

I've found that there's just a certain tone or flow or flavor to the Apple Community over the years, and it can take some getting used to. Once you sort of find that vibe, you can filter out exactly what you're talking about (and I partly agree with). What's left is a tremendous resource of information and easy access to people that are so involved, enthralled and committed to this particular tool in their life, that they get passionate about it's very existence and future. Like sports-nuts or gear-heads...only...you know....better.

[ravenvii]

Corrected for you. :)

I've tried telling him in another thread, he, for some strange reason, didn't believe me, and called me a Apple fanboi.

Whatever, let him do his thing with his 30 laptops, we got better things to do with our flawless Macs ;)

And just for fun, I'm just sayin': Had in my possession for varying lengths of time, 8 Macs (a mix of desktops and laptops) throughout the past 7 years (still have two of them), all worked (and working) flawlessly.

[EricNau]

Is it well now?

[marbles]

Heh, now you spilling complaints onto my thread where I didn't want to hear it. haha :p

Glad you can see the funny side , I hoped you would , welcome back from the dulldrums :)

[rhett7660]

My post will have nothing to do with the original question, but this thread is pretty fun to read from start to finish.

Especially the one about "only being able to read my own posts" That cracked me up..........

[kabunaru]

I've tried telling him in another thread, he, for some strange reason, didn't believe me, and called me a Apple fanboi

I find it hard that he never seen this:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html

either that or I hope he is sarcastic or drunk.

[leekohler]

nick, give it up - you do realise half the time you (and everyone else like you) are linking to the same irrelevant source, don't you?



Over how many years?



I can understand how to some it might be a poser. Are you picturing me with a stack of them? It doesn't quite work that way. I said all the notebooks I bought in a year. My average replacement frequency of a notebook is around 9 months for every category of notebook I have - UMPC/HPC, subnote, thin/light, mainstream, ~17" - and I have multiples of them at the places I work and live in. I also don't Boot Camp - as Macs can't actually run Windows, so an OS X machine is just an OS X machine. Factor that and you'll see how you can hit the low double digits quite quickly. I've tried working with less, but it hasn't worked out.

In 2008-9 I bought (for my own use for work and home) Air's, UB and non-UB MBP's in both 17 and 15 inch guises and the aforementioned UB MB's totalling 12 machines. Of them, just one of the new MB's has not yet encountered a DOA, FOA return, FOA, multiple-defect return, or just something which cropped up requiring Applecare (in some cases, repeat visits). The POS Air's are gone, the UB MBP has been returned, while other machines are either still with me or have been diverted elsewhere.

Currently between work and home the notebooks I actually spend time in front of are four Dell Precision Covets, one Dell Studio XPS 16, two Dell Studio's, four Sony UX's, three TT's(1 faulty - screen), four SZ's (2 faulty - free fall sensor + battery), two Z's, two UB Macbooks (one defect free, one damaged on arrival), one Penryn 17" (On the 'last Applecare before replacement' repair), 1 Merom 17" (Applecare'd at least 4 times in it's life), and two 15-inch Penryns - which are currently spending a lot of time in Applecare, which is why I've fished out two Santa Rosas from spares. Both of these actually need Applecaring themselves but their faults don't need immediate attention.


The problem with these "discussions" is that it's exactly the logic of for example, someone calling an SUV reliable because it works great for them in their shopping run, or the guy who runs a moderate-duty city fleet saying the same - and turning on a contractor for saying it's a piece of junk when they bought a fleet to deploy with cross-country. In fact, this is a perfect illustration of this ongoing particular 'discussion'.

A similar situation goes for those customer surveys - given a level consumer playing field, you're comparing a disparate number of very low-end Windows machines against Apples. I'd like to see a corporate version of the survey - I suspect that Apples will fare significantly less well in that respect. The problem also with digging up these surveys is that many of you have no idea what the surveys are actually measuring, and how they are doing so - but like so many other 'discussions' in this forum, the levels of ego doesn't account for that eventuality. All it does, is actually make you look pretty much like a dumb fanboy who has no concept of the wider world. Of course I know that Apple buyers get the feelgood factor. And if you don't do anything that critical / substantial on these machines (and if you think Applecare's support terms are acceptable, you don't) I can understand how it seems like the best brand in the world.

Any computer these days should be pretty much flawless if all it does is what most of you do (and I won't even put "likely") in the course of the day, and you aren't a complete idiot. Both of my kitchen iMacs were/have been flawless too - mainly because it's used solely as a glorified TV. The main issue is the surprisingly low level of 'system stress' at which things get pear-shaped. I fully realise that many of you never cross that level.

Quite apart from the Macs themselves, I've spent more on OS X development to date than almost any of you will spend in a lifetme on personal technology. The need to leverage and recoup that is what keeps my XServes and client machines (some of which are Sony's running Hackintosh in a VM) humming - let alone anything else. Thanks to the recession, unfortunately it looks like you won't be rid of me in 2010 - the year I'd intended to discontinue all business use of OS X.

I don't actually think that badly of the OS itself and I think it works just fine for the uses I need to put it to - although the choice, nature and broad quality of the applications are too narrow to be a fully rounded platform. It's the hardware that makes the deal extremely painful for me - even for home use, and that is the most surprising thing of all perhaps.

Get off your high horse, sesshi. WTF do you think most of us here do for a living? Or do you think we all just sit around unemployed and post all day? My entire office (I'm in advertising) of over 200 people is completely Mac based- even the servers (except for a few lame Dell servers, which go down constantly). They work extremely well. Our computers rarely need repairs. As a matter of fact, never in my entire ten years working for this company have I ever heard of anyone's computer dying.

Now you can sit here and insult our intelligence all you want, but the fact is that most of us use Macs because they're damn good products- products I've been using since 1996. Yes, those five Macs I mentioned I've bought over those years, and they've been great for freelance design and video editing. One I had for almost 7 years, and I bought it used.

And please stop talking down to us like none of us "push" our computers, because we DO. THAT is why we use them in the first place. You're not the only professional on this board. A lot of us indeed know what we're talking about, so give it a rest.

And here's looking forward to 2010.

[herr_neumann]

Yeah, this site has a lot of whiners and people that post just to post. It is why I rarely post even though I have been coming here longer than most. But hey, people love to feel self important. So, take what info you can from here, answer questions no one else is and ignore the BS....

(Here come the grammar comments.)

[Sesshi]

Get off your high horse, sesshi. WTF do you think most of us here do for a living?

Very predictably, advertising or media. It's not the entire world, you know.

[Sun Baked]

Get off your high horse, sesshi. WTF do you think most of us here do for a living?

What, you got a pony. :confused:

Why didn't you tell us?

[IJ Reilly]

Very predictably, advertising or media. It's not the entire world, you know.

And what is the entire world, pray tell?

[kabunaru]

Sesshi, if you like your Windows PCs so much then why do like to hang out on a Mac forum?

[xUKHCx]

Sesshi, if you like your Windows PCs so much then why do like to hang out on a Mac forum?

Because he buys and owns a lot of macs.

[IJ Reilly]

Because he buys and owns a lot of macs.

And complains about every one, it seems.

[xUKHCx]

And complains about every one, it seems.

I've complained about all the macs that I have had.

[marbles]

I've complained about all the macs that I have had.
Me too, I have to find fault somewhere otherwise Apple would get too big headed.

[kabunaru]

I've complained about all the macs that I have had.

He complains about them all the time.

[IJ Reilly]

I'm not even going to try to figure any of that out.

[MUCKYFINGERS]

I like Macs but there are too many OCD-type people on this forum.

[leekohler]

Very predictably, advertising or media. It's not the entire world, you know.

And neither is whatever it is that you do, so quit acting like your opinions and experiences hold some universal truth. Who claimed that Macs were the best solution for every business? For mine though, they are the best.

You're complaining has also become very predictable. :)

[Sesshi]

And neither is whatever it is that you do, so quit acting like your opinions and experiences hold some universal truth. Who claimed that Macs were the best solution for every business? For mine though, they are the best.

I'd have said for BS merchants who value image above anything else they would be perfect, but it seems someone else has beaten me to it. What puzzles me is the academic link - which is the alternative path that lead me to Appledom.

You're complaining has also become very predictable. :)

Perhaps if the Apple failures get less predictable, I might become a whole lot less predictable ;)

[IJ Reilly]

IOW, what Lee said. Your comments run heavily towards the classic form of condescending "full geek." Only geek priorities matter, and anyone who doesn't accept that is probably a fool, unbalanced, or worse. I just laugh it off. Been hearing this sort of thing for years.

[Sesshi]

If that's not one colossal case of pot kettle black, I don't know what is ;)

[Turmoil]

I think this thread did a fine job of making the OPs post.

good job guys.

[IJ Reilly]

If that's not one colossal case of pot kettle black, I don't know what is ;)

Unfortunately for you, no evidence exists to support that argument.

[hippo206]

http://ihatedell.net/

Now you can go create a new user name on that forum and post how that site sucks for making you not want a dell.