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Sayhey
Mar 26, 2004, 12:26 PM
Sorry, B2TM, but I couldn't resist the title of the thread. Seriously, the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25177-2004Mar25.html) has a very interesting article on the contradictions in Rice's statements and the rest of the administration in their attempt to discredit Clarke.


Neither Silent Nor a Public Witness
Presidential Adviser Rice Becomes a 9/11 Focal Point as Contradictions Appear

By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, March 26, 2004; Page A08

This week's testimony and media blitz by former White House counterterrorism chief Richard A. Clarke has returned unwanted attention to his former boss, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

The refusal by President Bush's top security aide to testify publicly before the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks elicited rebukes by commission members as they held public hearings without her this week. Thomas H. Kean (R), the former New Jersey governor Bush named to be chairman of the commission, observed: "I think this administration shot itself in the foot by not letting her testify in public."

At the same time, some of Rice's rebuttals of Clarke's broadside against Bush, which she delivered in a flurry of media interviews and statements rather than in testimony, contradicted other administration officials and her own previous statements.

Deputy Secretary of State Richard L. Armitage contradicted Rice's claim that the White House had a strategy before 9/11 for military operations against al Qaeda and the Taliban; the CIA contradicted Rice's earlier assertion that Bush had requested a CIA briefing in the summer of 2001 because of elevated terrorist threats; and Rice's assertion this week that Bush told her on Sept. 16, 2001, that "Iraq is to the side" appeared to be contradicted by an order signed by Bush on Sept. 17 directing the Pentagon to begin planning military options for an invasion of Iraq.

Rice, in turn, has contradicted Vice President Cheney's assertion that Clarke was "out of the loop" and his intimation that Clarke had been demoted. Rice has also given various conflicting accounts. She criticized Clarke for being the architect of failed Clinton administration policies, but also said she retained Clarke so the Bush administration could continue to pursue Clinton's terrorism policies.

National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormack defended many of Rice's assertions, saying that she has been more consistent than Clarke.

This is not the first time in her tenure that Rice has been questioned over disputed national security claims by the administration. Making the case about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction in September 2002, she said that aluminum tubes the United States intercepted on their way to Iraq were "only suited for nuclear weapons programs." But at the time, the U.S. intelligence community was split over the use of the tubes, and today the majority view is that the tubes were for antiaircraft rockets.

Rice so far has refused to provide testimony under oath to the commission that could possibly resolve the contradictions. On Wednesday night, she told reporters, "I would like nothing better in a sense than to be able to go up and do this, but I have a responsibility to maintain what is a long-standing constitutional separation between the executive and the legislative branch."

Other presidential aides have waived their immunity; President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, did, as did President Bill Clinton's national security adviser, Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger. McCormack said the comparisons are not applicable because Berger did not testify in public about policy matters.

The White House, reacting to the public relations difficulties caused by the refusal to allow Rice's testimony, yesterday asked the commission to give Rice another opportunity to speak privately with panel members to address "mischaracterizations of Dr. Rice's statements and positions."

Democratic commission member Richard Ben-Veniste disclosed this week that Rice had asked, in her private meetings with the commission, to revise a statement she made publicly that "I don't think anybody could have predicted that those people could have taken an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center . . . that they would try to use an airplane as a missile." Rice told the commission that she misspoke; the commission has received information that prior to Sept. 11, U.S. intelligence agencies and Clarke had talked about terrorists using airplanes as missiles.

In an op-ed published Monday in The Washington Post, Rice wrote that "through the spring and summer of 2001, the national security team developed a strategy to eliminate al Qaeda" that included "sufficient military options to remove the Taliban regime" including the use of ground forces. But Armitage, testifying this week as the White House representative, said the military part was not in the plan before Sept. 11. "I think that was amended after the horror of 9/11," he said. McCormack said Rice's statement is accurate because the team discussed including orders for such military plans to be drawn up.

In the same article, Rice belittled Clarke's proposals by writing: "The president wanted more than a laundry list of ideas simply to contain al Qaeda or 'roll back' the threat. Once in office, we quickly began crafting a comprehensive new strategy to 'eliminate' the al Qaeda network." Rice asserted that while Clarke and others provided ideas, "No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration." That same day, she said most of Clarke's ideas "had been already tried or rejected in the Clinton administration."

But in her interview with NBC two days later, Rice appeared to take a different view of Clarke's proposals. "He sent us a set of ideas that would perhaps help to roll back al Qaeda over a three- to five-year period; we acted on those ideas very quickly. And what's very interesting is that . . . Dick Clarke now says that we ignored his ideas or we didn't follow them up."

Asked about this apparent discrepancy, McCormack pointed a reporter to a Clarke background briefing in 2002 in which the then-White House aide was defending the president's efforts in fighting terrorism.

Similarly, Rice implicitly criticized Clarke on CNN on Monday, saying that "he was the counterterrorism czar for a period of the '90s when al Qaeda was strengthening and when the plots that ended up September 11 were being hatched." But in a White House briefing two days later, she said she kept Clarke on the job because "I wanted somebody experienced in that area precisely to carry on the Clinton administration policy." McCormack said Clarke was kept on for continuity.

Among the most serious discrepancies in Rice's claims to emerge this week is about a briefing on terrorism Bush received on Aug. 6, 2001.

Rice had said on May 12, 2002, that the briefing was produced because Bush had asked about dangers of al Qaeda attacking the United States. But at the commission hearing, Ben-Veniste said that the CIA informed the 9/11 panel last week that the author of the briefing does not recall such a request from Bush and that the idea to compile the briefing came from within the CIA.

McCormack said that when the CIA briefer presented the paper, he said it was in response to the president's questions.



zimv20
Mar 26, 2004, 12:54 PM
i think she's in way over her head. if she continues to provide this level of fodder for the press, i wonder if she'll be the sacrificial lamb. (i wonder if she'll take hadley w/ her)

miloblithe
Mar 26, 2004, 12:56 PM
She's doing the best she can. Remeber, it's very difficult to craft believable lies.

Sayhey
Mar 26, 2004, 01:03 PM
In a related story, the Center for American Progress (http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=39854#1) has started a contest for all those who wish to prove just how much attention Bush, Cheney, and Rice paid to terrorism prior to 9/11.

CONTEST*
Beat the Progress Report

Yesterday, on Hannity and Colmes, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said "the assertion that somehow the Bush administration wasn't paying attention when we came into office is just false." But, despite Rice's comments, we were unable to find a single instance where Rice, Vice President Cheney or President Bush said "al Qaeda" or "bin Laden" in public between Bush Inauguration and 9/11. (The closest thing we could dig up – despite extensive searches on Nexis and the White House website – was a routine written extension of an executive order dealing with the Taliban.) During the same period, however, we were able to identify roughly 400 times that Rice, Cheney and Bush publicly mentioned "tax relief" or "tax cut." Prove you're better than the Progress Report! Send any instance of Rice, Cheney or Bush uttering the words "al Qaeda" or "bin Laden" in public between 1/20/01 and 9/10/01 to pr@americanprogress.org. The first person to submit a successful entry (which we can verify) will receive a free copy of "Deliver Us From Evil" by Fox News Anchor Sean Hannity signed by the members of the Progress Report team.

James Carville,from Crossfire, has added to the prize a copy of his own book.

3rdpath
Mar 26, 2004, 01:31 PM
we all know condi is a genius...a prodigy...and very well educated in the subject of russian politics.

what she's not is a good liar.

for me, she lost all credibilty on "meet the press" a while back. after stating she just didn't remember the CIA nixed the whole uranium/niger thing before she approved bush's SOTU speech...she then quoted portions of bush's "mission accomplished" speech verbatim. the worst case of selective retention i've seen since nixon.

and she now insists it would be improper to testify publically under oath before the 9/11 commission...but it's just peachy to appear on a multitude of tv programs to talk about it.

i feel sorry for her. she once was a brilliant person with an impressive list of accomplishments. now she's just a political mouthpiece who's told so many lies she doesn't completely know the truth...or how to stop spinning.

i predict she'll keep at it until she's left swinging in the breeze by the people she trusted...becoming yet another disillusioned political tool relegated to lectures and television commentary.

Dont Hurt Me
Mar 26, 2004, 01:42 PM
She's doing the best she can. Remeber, it's very difficult to craft believable lies.isnt that the truth, this administration has spun and is spinning everything. What happen to Truth and Honesty? So now she wants to tesetify in private? whats that all about? I cant except a single word comming out of this admnistration. they have shown over and over to be nothing but a bunch of spin Dr's bending the Truth a million ways to suite the agenda they are on.

3rdpath
Mar 26, 2004, 03:47 PM
anyone else notice that rice has begun to have the demeaner of "pyle" from full metal jacket?

zimv20
Mar 26, 2004, 04:27 PM
i think i'd like to hear her say: "i am in a world of ****!"

Dont Hurt Me
Mar 26, 2004, 04:48 PM
That face says it all!

IJ Reilly
Mar 26, 2004, 06:49 PM
A consensus seems to be building among the pundit corp that Rice isn't doing herself any good by playing the White House pit-bull on this issue instead of testifying before the committee.

Rice's Attacks on Critic Could Backfire on Her

Bush security advisor hits back hard against ex-colleague Clarke, but risks credibility in not testifying openly.

By Maura Reynolds and Sonni Efron
Times Staff Writers

March 26, 2004

WASHINGTON — For one of the first times in the presidency of George W. Bush, his White House has been forced onto the defensive. And the general atop the battlements is his national security advisor, Condoleezza Rice.

The Bush mantra has always been that the best defense is offense, so Rice has been hitting back hard — using television appearances and media briefings to try to undermine the credibility of Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism chief who contends that Rice and the rest of the administration failed to respond to repeated warnings about terrorist threats.

But Rice's aggressive strategy risks damaging her own credibility, rather than Clarke's.

"Rather than deal with the substance of what he's saying, they're trying to impugn his character," said Nancy Soderberg, a deputy national security advisor during the Clinton administration. "It's not a campaign issue, it's an issue of national security, so I think their pit-bull tactics are going to backfire."

Although Rice has made herself available to news outlets, she has refused to testify under oath before the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks. That panel questioned a series of current and former government officials this week, including Clarke. As a result, the controversy created by Clarke is increasingly focusing on Rice, perhaps the president's closest advisor.

[...]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-rice26mar26,1,2288340.story

3rdpath
Mar 26, 2004, 11:18 PM
The Center for American Progress has compiled an excellent list of Rice's contradicted claims. Here are some excerpts:



* RICE CLAIM: "I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 5/16/02

* FACT: On August 6, 2001, the President personally "received a one-and-a-half page briefing advising him that Osama bin Laden was capable of a major strike against the US, and that the plot could include the hijacking of an American airplane." In July 2001, the Administration was also told that terrorists had explored using airplanes as missiles. [Source: NBC, 9/10/02; LA Times, 9/27/01]


* RICE CLAIM: In May 2002, Rice held a press conference to defend the Administration from new revelations that the President had been explicitly warned about an al Qaeda threat to airlines in August 2001. She "suggested that Bush had requested the briefing because of his keen concern about elevated terrorist threat levels that summer." [Source: Washington Post, 3/25/04]

* FACT: According to the CIA, the briefing "was not requested by President Bush." As commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste disclosed, "the CIA informed the panel that the author of the briefing does not recall such a request from Bush and that the idea to compile the briefing came from within the CIA." [Source: Washington Post, 3/25/04]


* RICE CLAIM: "In June and July when the threat spikes were so high…we were at battle stations." National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 3/22/04

* FACT: "Documents indicate that before Sept. 11, Ashcroft did not give terrorism top billing in his strategic plans for the Justice Department, which includes the FBI. A draft of Ashcroft's 'Strategic Plan' from Aug. 9, 2001, does not put fighting terrorism as one of the department's seven goals, ranking it as a sub-goal beneath gun violence and drugs. By contrast, in April 2000, Ashcroft's predecessor, Janet Reno, called terrorism 'the most challenging threat in the criminal justice area.'" Meanwhile, the Bush Administration decided to terminate "a highly classified program to monitor Al Qaeda suspects in the United States." [Source: Washington Post, 3/22/04; Newsweek, 3/21/04]


* RICE CLAIM: "The fact of the matter is [that] the administration focused on this before 9/11." National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 3/22/04

* FACT: President Bush and Vice President Cheney's counterterrorism task force, which was created in May, never convened one single meeting. The President himself admitted that "I didn't feel the sense of urgency" about terrorism before 9/11. [Source: Washington Post, 1/20/02; Bob Woodward's "Bush at War"]


* RICE CLAIM: "Our [pre-9/11 NSPD] plan called for military options to attack al Qaeda and Taliban leadership, ground forces and other targets -- taking the fight to the enemy where he lived." National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 3/22/04

* FACT: 9/11 Commissioner Gorelick: "There is nothing in the NSPD that came out that we could find that had an invasion plan, a military plan." Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage: "Right." Gorelick: "Is it true, as Dr. Rice said, 'Our plan called for military options to attack Al Qaida and Taliban leadership'?" Armitage: "No, I think that was amended after the horror of 9/11." [Source: 9/11 Commission testimony, 3/24/04]



i see a big career for condi on HGTV after all of this....

Neserk
Mar 27, 2004, 02:19 AM
Why aren't these people being prosecuted for this?

zimv20
Mar 27, 2004, 02:32 AM
Why aren't these people being prosecuted for this?
because they have restored honesty and integrity to the white house

JamesDPS
Mar 27, 2004, 03:15 AM
People are looking at this all wrong and narrowing the context too much: I think this administration is doing a top notch job, and everything they're doing right now will probably strengthen the country in the long term, and here's my defense:

I hope they keep up this kind of obvious deception, political spinning, excuse-making, finger-pointing, xenophobia and general sliminess right up to the election! Sure, it might be unfair to blame EVERYTHING on Bush (let me get back to you when I think of something bad that's not his fault ;) -j/k), but they sure have failed in trying to get attention away from the issues where his administration has undeniably screwed up (even if you agree with their policy, no one can defend their total inconsistency, both recently and on a larger scale). At this rate, Kerry won't have to say a thing in his camplaign... but I hope he does! :D Sadly, I know that's a pipe dream -- he unfortunately WILL have to say a lot, because there's a huge portion of the country that will support Bush to the end, either through self-interest or ignorance.

numediaman
Mar 31, 2004, 10:14 AM
Long time, no see. Thought you guys would find this interesting -- a co-worker's view of Clarke's credibility:

L.A. Times

COMMENTARY

Voices in the Wilderness Are Turning Into a Chorus
By Daniel Benjamin

March 30, 2004

In its effort to discredit Richard Clarke, the White House and its allies claim that what the former counterterrorism chief has said in his book and before the 9/11 commission is inconsistent with his past remarks. National security advisor Condoleezza Rice has said his book is "180 degrees from everything else that he said."

Perhaps. I haven't seen everything Clarke said or wrote when he was in the administration. But I do know that the judgments Clarke has offered in "Against All Enemies" and his public testimony comport precisely with what he told me in early 2002.

As director for counterterrorism on the National Security Council staff, I worked for Clarke in 1998 to 1999, and I stayed in touch with him after I left. In meetings in his Old Executive Office Building suite, at his home and over meals, he described for me his deep disappointment at the failure to stop the 9/11 attackers and his conviction that the Bush administration had not viewed the threat of jihadist terror with sufficient urgency. No amount of bureaucratic badgering, he felt, could get them to recognize Al Qaeda as the preeminent threat facing the U.S.

In reporting for our book, "The Age of Sacred Terror," Steven Simon and I found that Clarke was not alone. Several top U.S. government officials agreed in interviews that the new administration had been unwilling to revise its understanding of America's security position and too slow to recognize the danger of Al Qaeda.

Brian Sheridan, President Clinton's outgoing assistant secretary of Defense for special operations and low intensity conflict, was astonished when his offers during the transition to bring the new Pentagon leadership up to speed on terrorism were brushed aside. "I offered to brief anyone, any time on any topic. Never took it up." . . .

Daniel Benjamin, co-author of "The Age of Sacred Terror" (Random House, 2002), was on the National Security Council staff from 1994 to 1999.