Apple Announces Safari 4

[rdowns]

Apple Announces Safari 4—The World’s Fastest & Most Innovative Browser (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/02/24safari.html)

New Nitro Engine Runs JavaScript More Than Four Times Faster

CUPERTINO, California—February 24, 2009—Apple® today announced the public beta of Safari® 4, the world’s fastest and most innovative web browser for Mac® and Windows PCs. The Nitro engine in Safari 4 runs JavaScript 4.2 times faster than Safari 3.* Innovative new features that make browsing more intuitive and enjoyable include Top Sites, for a stunning visual preview of frequently visited pages; Full History Search, to search through titles, web addresses and the complete text of recently viewed pages; Cover Flow®, to easily flip through web history or bookmarks; and Tabs on Top, to make tabbed browsing easier and more intuitive.

“Apple created Safari to bring innovation, speed and open standards back into web browsers, and today it takes another big step forward,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. “Safari 4 is the fastest and most efficient browser for Mac and Windows, with great integration of HTML 5 and CSS 3 web standards that enables the next generation of interactive web applications.”

Safari 4 is built on the world’s most advanced browser technologies including the new Nitro JavaScript engine that executes JavaScript up to 30 times faster than IE 7 and more than three times faster than Firefox 3. Safari quickly loads HTML web pages three times faster than IE 7 and almost three times faster than Firefox 3.*

Apple is leading the industry in defining and implementing innovative web standards such as HTML 5 and CSS 3 for an entirely new class of web applications that feature rich media, graphics and fonts. Safari 4 includes HTML 5 support for offline technologies so web-based applications can store information locally without an Internet connection, and is the first browser to support advanced CSS Effects that enable highly polished web graphics using reflections, gradients and precision masks. Safari 4 is the first browser to pass the Web Standards Project’s Acid3 test, which examines how well a browser adheres to CSS, JavaScript, XML and SVG web standards that are specifically designed for dynamic web applications.

Safari for Mac, Windows, iPhone™ and iPod® touch are all built on Apple’s WebKit, the world’s fastest and most advanced browser engine. Apple developed WebKit as an open source project to create the world’s best browser engine and to advance the adoption of modern web standards. Most recently, WebKit led the introduction of HTML 5 and CSS 3 web standards and is known for its fast, modern code-base. The industry’s newest browsers are based on WebKit including Google Chrome, the Google Android browser, the Nokia Series 60 browser and Palm webOS.

Innovative new features in Safari 4 include:
Top Sites, a display of frequently visited pages in a stunning wall of previews so users can jump to their favorite sites with a single click;

Full History Search, where users search through titles, web addresses and the complete text of recently viewed pages to easily return to sites they’ve seen before;

Cover Flow, to make searching web history or bookmarks as fun and easy as paging through album art in iTunes®;

Tabs on Top, for better tabbed browsing with easy drag-and-drop tab management tools and an intuitive button for opening new ones;

Smart Address Field, that automatically completes web addresses by displaying an easy-to-read list of suggestions from Top Sites, bookmarks and browsing history;

Smart Search Field, where users fine-tune searches with recommendations from Google Suggest or a list of recent searches;

Full Page Zoom, for a closer look at any website without degrading the quality of the site’s layout and text;

built-in web developer tools to debug, tweak and optimize a website for peak performance and compatibility; and

a new Windows-native look in Safari for Windows, that uses standard Windows font rendering and native title bar, borders and toolbars so Safari fits the look and feel of other Windows XP and Windows Vista applications.

Pricing & Availability
Safari 4 is a public beta for both Mac OS® X and Windows and is available immediately as a free download at www.apple.com/safari.

Safari 4 for Mac OS X requires Mac OS X Leopard® version 10.5.6 and Security Update 2009-001 or Mac OS X Tiger® version 10.4.11, a minimum 256MB of memory, and is designed to run on any Intel-based Mac or a Mac with a PowerPC G5, G4 or G3 processor and built-in FireWire®. Safari 4 for Windows requires Windows XP SP2 or Windows Vista, a minimum 256MB of memory and a system with at least a 500 MHz Intel Pentium processor. Full system requirements and more information on Safari 4 can be found at www.apple.com/safari.

*Performance will vary based on system configuration, network connection and other factors. All testing conducted on an iMac® 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo system running Windows Vista, with 2GB of RAM. JavaScript benchmark based on the SunSpider JavaScript Performance test. HTML benchmark based on VeriTest’s iBench Version 5.0 using default settings.

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http://www.apple.com/safari/whats-new.html

[GTJ]

Looks good

http://www.apple.com/safari/

[animenick65]

Nice. Sounds pretty slick. Safari 3 is pretty decent. Having a bunch of browsers to choose from is interesting.

[Maximillian]

The download page is totally screwed right now.

[HailToTheVictor]

This is better than a Mini or iMac update;)

[happydude]

Cover flow history sounds pretty cool! Will be downloading soon

[eskimayo]

Download page is good now, and the download is active.

[Yvan256]

"Full Page Zoom" is now available from:
- Safari 4 Beta
- Opera (been full screen zoom since so long that I can't even remember which version started it all)
- Firefox 3 (discovered that last night, and even said "now only Safari is missing this"*).

* = Internet Explorer 11, available in 2035, will probably have it too. ;)

Now, the question on my mind is: can we have both Safari 3 and Safari 4 Beta installed at the same time on our Mac? Won't they fight over things like bookmarks, etc?

edit: and no, this isn't better than a Mac mini update. :p

[d-money]

Does anyone know if this can run side-by-side with Safari 3? Or will it replace it? I don't want to lose a stable browser for a potentially buggy one.

[decksnap]

I assume this will overwrite Safari 3? Any way to roll back after testing the beta?

[mik34]

It's nice, I'm glad they didn't change the interface much. The tabs (+) button is nice and the "Top Sites" button is helpful. It makes it easier to go to a favorite site without having to make a new bookmark (which takes up space across the page).

[supremedesigner]

The download page is totally screwed right now.

Yes, you're correct on this. I even check IE, Safari 3 and FF3 (all on PC) and they all are screwed up. I also checked my iPhone and Safari 4 and the page didn't break. Interesting.

Nice. Sounds pretty slick. Safari 3 is pretty decent. Having a bunch of browsers to choose from is interesting.

Well, I like 'em all except IE :)

[johnnyjibbs]

Oh cover flow. Yippee!

"It's just like iTunes"

:D

[Steve Jobs=God]

Coverflow in your history?

Apple's starting to go slightly over the top with the coverflow now i think

[rdowns]

I assume this will overwrite Safari 3? Any way to roll back after testing the beta?

The beta comes with an uninstall package and the Safari 3 link is still active. Think I'll go grab it in case 4 hoses anything. Running it now and so far, so good.

[nickXedge]

Macintosh Requirements
Any Mac running Security Update 2009-001 and Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.6 or Mac OS X Tiger 10.4.11
Mac with an Intel processor or a Power PC G5, G4, or G3 processor and built-in FireWire®
256MB of RAM
Top Sites and Cover Flow on Mac OS X Tiger require a Quartz-Extreme compatible video card.

I just noticed this on the download page! Does this mean new unibody Macbooks can't use Safari 4 beta?

Edit: Or, re-reading it makes me think that Firewire is required only for G3, anyone can clarify?

[alexbates]

Yes, downloading...

[nplima]

if this release is so innovative, why are those highlighted features either irrelevant or already available on Firefox?

[Heinekev]

Wow, I really like the Top Sites thing. I have a circuit of about 7 or 8 sites that I hit each morning and throughout the day, and it sounds like this will fit right into that.

[Island Dog]

Looks cool, downloading now.

[MBX]

OMG I can't believe it! Apple does it again by leading innovation.

Holy moly if this isn't the hottest browser on the planet what then?

Firefox, Chrome, IE who?

Sorry for my drooling!

[Chupa Chupa]

Just installed (MBP 2.4) but it won't launch. I have uninstalled, reinstalled, reset Safari, all to no help. Anyone else having this issue? I don't have any Safari plugins installed BTW.


Update: Never mind. I remembered I did have the Glims plugin. Removed it and it launched fine.

[k2k koos]

downloaded it no problems, first impression is great. Won't yet make it my default browser until any bugs are known and sorted out :-):apple:

[aleck]

a new Windows-native look in Safari for Windows, that uses standard Windows font rendering and native title bar, borders and toolbars so Safari fits the look and feel of other Windows XP and Windows Vista applications.


Finally, some common sense in this area. A very good step.

[talkingfuture]

Should be interesting to play with. I have recently switched to Firefox on my Mac and work PC. Maybe Safari 4 will bring me back, or maybe it won't!

[Wayfarer]

It passes the ACID 3 test! :D

[Morod]

Ah, I'm gonna sit this one out for a few days, just to make sure it's what I want. I already like Safari 3.2.1. Keep the critiques coming!
Morod

[diamond.g]

Very cool, I do find it amuzing that they adopted the chrome tab as titlebar look.

Downloading now...

[VSMacOne]

Hey what does installing this do to your Safari 3 settings/etc?

[nickXedge]

Is there any clarification as to whether it overwrites Safari 3?

[mdriftmeyer]

The download page is totally screwed right now.

Flush your cache.

It took twice for it to fetch the proper download page with the 4 Beta information on it.

[rdowns]

Cool...

[andreab35]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5H11 Safari/525.20)

This sounds awesome!
I'll be downloading this on my MBA when I get back home!
Thanks Apple! Sounds like some cool new features!

[shaunymac]

Maybe I have been to naive to notice the "full-screen" zoom feature that opera had to offer but now that safari is offering it, this is going to be great. I can't count how many times I zoom in for family when showing them things.

My biggest plus in all of this, nearly 4x faster! :D Heck yeeah! I have always loved and stuck with safari for some reason. Yeah, sometimes it runs a little slow and sucks up ram but I like it.

Oh, I forgot to mention, it makes me feel like I'm on my mac when I'm on a windows machine. :)

[acidfast7]

pros: new and shiny

cons: seems noticeably slower than FF3, but i'll give it a few more days until the entire cache has been rebuilt.

[liquidtrend]

It passes the ACID 3 test! :D

lol...so thats what a 100 looks like!!

[Agathon]

The new tabs are awful. If only there were an option to have them the old way, or to make them the old size.

[rdowns]

Is there any clarification as to whether it overwrites Safari 3?

It does. The Safari 4 .dmg includes a package to remove it.

Safari 3 is also still available.
http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard

[amac4me]

Cool, will download asap. Looking forward to these new features.

[Wayfarer]

I love the new tabs!!! Google Chrome, watch out! :D

[tbishh]

if this release is so innovative, why are those highlighted features either irrelevant or already available on Firefox?



yes, but if you don't use firefox (or prefer Safari over it) it's great.

[nickXedge]

It does. The Safari 4 .dmg includes a package to remove it.

Safari 3 is also still available.
http://support.apple.com/downloads/Safari_3_2_1_for_Leopard

Thank you. Always nice to know what I'm getting into incase I have to revert.

[mik34]

pros: new and shiny

cons: seems noticeably slower than FF3, but i'll give it a few more days until the entire cache has been rebuilt.

Seems faster than FF3 to me. Of course I've been using it for a whole 20 minutes, but I like it so far.

[acidfast7]

Seems faster than FF3 to me. Of course I've been using it for a whole 20 minutes, but I like it so far.

i really need a larger sample size (as do you), but we'll see. some stuff seems faster and better rendered ... some stuff seems slower and less well rendered.

[K3mp]

Does anyone know how this compares to the dev preview? I'm about to start the beta download now. I've been using the dev preview for a while now and it is pretty solid.EDIT: I have it now and it is really fast, but I think it broke my 1password plug-in.

[zombitronic]

I'm not crazy about the Windows-native look. I always liked having a little bit of a Mac look on my PC.

[muitommy]

better wait for a moment if it will overwrite the 3,
cus i'm not sure if the plugin installed still works in safari 4 ....
or i would start thinking about the roll back. :(

and the package can't be opened by pacifist 2.5.2

[diamond.g]

Works with Windows 7. I do like the opening page.

[alexbates]

WOW! This really is the fastest browser ever.

I love the top sites visited history thing. Its amazingly laid out and takes almost no time to load a web page. Great Job Apple!

[Middling]

The new tabs are awful. If only there were an option to have them the old way, or to make them the old size.

I agree, they're absolutely terrible.

You're also forced into having a "bookmark it" button since Apple has now made it part of the address bar. I always previously removed the bookmark button. And the stop/refresh button has completely disappeared.

[Agathon]

I agree, they're absolutely terrible.

You're also forced into having a "bookmark it" button since Apple has now made it part of the address bar. I always previously removed the bookmark button. And the stop/refresh button has completely disappeared.

On the other hand, the full zoom feature is excellent. I can live with the horrible tabs just for that.

The lack of a stop/refresh button is inexcusable, however.

[bbotte]

I used it to log in to Mobile Me and it seems to be just as slow as Firefox and Safari 3. :mad: I am using it now to post this message.

[paulshephard]

Still no exchange support for my university email here! That's one of the only reasons I am currently having to stick to using Firefox.

I must say though that Safari 4 does have a beautiful UI and does generally seem a lot faster.

[VSMacOne]

So I just installed it and it wouldn't start at all. I clicked on Safari and it would automatically crash. So I'm back to 3 now, but I guess i might give it another shot later. :(

[Hodapp]

Looks really cool, I like the new tab system and top sites is neat... Unfortunately, with 1password integration and mouse wheel scrolling broken I don't have much use for it yet!

[Jayomat]

it still "sucks" without features like "NoScript" or "AddBlock" like the ones in firefox...:( I just can't stand the adds and flashy banners:(

[gt1948]

Love the top sites feature, never cared much for the cover flow idea.
Pages load much faster.

10.6 must be around the corner :)http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

download was fast and install worked as advertised. There is also an uninstall package int the dmg http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[mdriftmeyer]

Does anyone know how this compares to the dev preview? I'm about to start the beta download now. I've been using the dev preview for a while now and it is pretty solid.

I just upgraded from the Dev Preview. You won't regret it. The new underpinnings for developers makes it a no brainer. The presentation is a leap forward as well.

[mdriftmeyer]

I agree, they're absolutely terrible.

You're also forced into having a "bookmark it" button since Apple has now made it part of the address bar. I always previously removed the bookmark button. And the stop/refresh button has completely disappeared.

The tab size scales to the total number of tab views, with respect to the entire global window view. It's logical.

[Middling]

And the stop/refresh button has completely disappeared.

I've just noticed there's a little refresh icon at the far-right of the address bar. It doesn't double as a stop button but at least refresh hasn't disappeared completely (although that's a really stupid place to put it IMO).

[iObama]

Definitely not as fast as Firefox 3 on Windows. Plus I HATE the new look. Chrome, anyone?

[Seamaster]

Ha! I had to use Firefox to download it! :rolleyes:

[mdriftmeyer]

Definitely not as fast as Firefox 3 on Windows. Plus I HATE the new look. Chrome, anyone?

Firefox 3 is written for Windows.

Firefox 3 is not written for OS X.

[panzaman]

..still you can't change the default search engine to eg. google.co.uk....go and figure out what's the reason behind it!

[diamond.g]

And the stop/refresh button has completely disappeared.
Next to the blue RSS box.... that is where the stop/refresh button has gone.

[ppc750fx]

Downloading now. I'll be interested to see what the CSS3 support and JS performance are like.

[brianus]

For anyone who doesn't want to replace their Safari 3 just yet but wants Cover Flow history, try the SafariStand plugin -- it has had this feature for quite awhile. It's the only place I've ever found Cover Flow useful. It's great! Ashame Apple had to place this feature in the main browser window like its standard bookmarks though. If you don't want to leave the current page you have to first open a new bookmark or tab. I prefer SafariStand's method of opening one of those translucent black panes.

[talkingfuture]

Just tried the PC version on my work computer and it is very fast, but it seems an awful lot like chrome. A better looking version of chrome though.

[mdriftmeyer]

Definitely not as fast as Firefox 3 on Windows. Plus I HATE the new look. Chrome, anyone?

The damn thing looks the same, except for the Tab View. Suck it up. You can always run Camino or FF3. Or Opera, OmniWeb, Shira, etc.

[parapup]

Wow - Apple is creative. They made it look even more crappy on Windows.

Seriously :apple: - w.h.y bother?

[Pressure]

it still "sucks" without features like "NoScript" or "AddBlock" like the ones in firefox...:( I just can't stand the adds and flashy banners:(

Download AdBlock for Safari (http://safariadblock.sourceforge.net/)?

[Neverland]

Unfortunately i couldn't install it to test out the new features...

Somehow it does not want to install on my harddisk?
Is there an obvious mistake i'm doing to install it? Do I have to erase Safari 3 first? (I'm using a Macbook with 10.5.6)

Screenshot is in german and says "You cannot install Safari on this volume: ERROR_SEC"

Thanks for any help!

[mdriftmeyer]

Next to the blue RSS box.... that is where the stop/refresh button has gone.

It's sad people can't visualize changes the moment they try something out. It reminds me when people describe an accident scene and you have to wonder how it's possible to get so many divergent perceptions.

[mladenz]

am i the only one getting an error trying to install it? When i have to select the drive it says it cant install on the drive ERROR_SEC. anyone that can help me?:)

[Lesser Evets]

Wowzers. This browser is quite a nice change, and it IS a lot faster. The old one was getting funky in the last few months.

I love the coverflow option.

[patrikorup]

When I've choosen a volume to install it on I got following error,
"Du kan inte installera Safari på den här volymen. ERROR_SEC"
which means,
"You can't install Safari on this volume. ERROR_SEC"

Anyone here that get the same error, or have any clue what ERROR_SEC means?

[SydneyDev]

The uninstaller on the dmg will put Safari 3 back for you. The 3.2.1 link on the front page is unnecessary.

[mladenz]

When I've choosen a volume to install it on I got following error,
"Du kan inte installera Safari på den här volymen. ERROR_SEC"
which means,
"You can't install Safari on this volume. ERROR_SEC"

Anyone here that get the same error, or have any clue what ERROR_SEC means?

jeah, i have the same error...

[mdriftmeyer]

Unfortunately i couldn't install it to test out the new features...

Somehow it does not want to install on my harddisk?
Is there an obvious mistake i'm doing to install it? Do I have to erase Safari 3 first? (I'm using a Macbook with 10.5.6)

Screenshot is in german and says "You cannot install Safari on this volume: ERROR_SEC"

Thanks for any help!

Hope you didn't download the tiger version, or expect it to run say on OSx86.

[fanbrain]

Just downloaded and have been running it for a little while now.

For Windows, I'll stick to Chrome. Safari 4 is getting close, but for my line of work, Chrome fits the bill to a T.

[jaw04005]

The Windows version is super nice, and actually supports Aero.

Now, if only Apple will rewrite QuickTime for Windows ...

[hal1984]

pros: new and shiny

cons: seems noticeably slower than FF3, but i'll give it a few more days until the entire cache has been rebuilt.

I have been running javascript benchmark on Safari 4 beta and FF3.1 beta 2 (with the new javascript engine), and Safari 4 is much faster.

[g-7]

When I've choosen a volume to install it on I got following error,
"Du kan inte installera Safari på den här volymen. ERROR_SEC"
which means,
"You can't install Safari on this volume. ERROR_SEC"

Anyone here that get the same error, or have any clue what ERROR_SEC means?

You need to install Security Update 2009-001 before you may install Safari 4.
Run Software Update and install everything it has to offer.

[lunarworks]

"a new Windows-native look in Safari for Windows, that uses standard Windows font rendering and native title bar, borders and toolbars so Safari fits the look and feel of other Windows XP and Windows Vista applications."

Please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please do this for iTunes. PLEASE. I appreciate that iTunes' look distinguishes it, and makes it more Mac-like, but it's such a dog performance-wise for it.

[LagunaSol]

How about the option to auto-hide the annoying downloads window? PLEASE???

That's probably my number one gripe with Safari.

[melllvar]

Mirrors:

Leopard: http://rapidshare.com/files/201984924/Safari4.0BetaLeo.dmg
Tiger: http://rapidshare.com/files/201985379/Safari4.0BetaTiger.dmg


i hope not against the rules, else i'll remove it ! :-)

[Sky Blue]

I like Top Sites (NSFW though!)
hate hate hate tabs at the top
seems very fast.

Apple finally gave people a new tab button!

[Compile 'em all]

is it any different from safari 4 preview that have been available for ADC members?

[bbotte]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=644183&page=21

Click this link
Images take forever to load.....

[SFStateStudent]

Totally happy with Safari 4.0 Beta; I imagine that the Public Beta is the same as the ADC Beta, right?

[Sky Blue]

is it any different from safari 4 preview that have been available for ADC members?

Yes, very

[wayland1985]

C'mon all of you harping on the Beta release of Safari.... If you don't like something, hit the BUG button, and report it.... Maybe they'll toss in a feature or two before the final release...


Which brings me to my next point: Unless some of you know how to do it already, in Explorer on Windows, if you want to temporarily allow pop ups, you can do a keystroke-mouseclick to get your pop-up to appear. Safari 3 wasn't able to do this. Can I either get a way to do this without having to shut off "block pop-ups" completely, or can I get a few of you to Report it to Apple with me, so we can get the feature??? Thanks! :cool:

[drlunanerd]

Couldn't have arrived any sooner for me :)
The WebKit nightly builds have been annoying me lately with their bugs.

Jury's still out on the new tabs: they take up less space now being part of the title bar, however because of this it's not as slick and easy to move them around.

Safari 4: Teh Snappy™ :eek:

Oh, and ClickToFlash (http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master) still works too, as it should being a plugin :)

[MaTUC]

Wow , Safari 4 is awesome :cool:

[RQPS]

The download page is still messed up for me!

[Sky Blue]

Wonder how long 1Password will take for an update.

[Compile 'em all]

Totally happy with Safari 4.0 Beta; I imagine that the Public Beta is the same as the ADC Beta, right?

yeah, I just asked the same question. Looking at the screenshots it looks different to me...installing

[Neverland]

You need to install Security Update 2009-001 before you may install Safari 4.
Run Software Update and install everything it has to offer.

Thanks, that solved the "ERROR_SEC"-bug !

[Warbrain]

It's nice but it seems that it's still a process hog.

[sammy2066]

I'm using it now, its really fast and I like it. Gets a 100 in the Acid 3 test too.

[ddrei]

does anyone know how i can disable the google search suggestions. i really do not want this feature in my browser...

[r.j.s]

Wonder how long 1Password will take for an update.

I'm wondering that too, surely they have been working with the preview.

[kornyboy]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5H11 Safari/525.20)

So Safari really should seem "snappier" with this upgrade.

All in all this sounds like a good new product. I will be downloading the public beta to test it out.

[arn]

Wonder how long 1Password will take for an update.

http://support.agilewebsolutions.com/showpost.php?p=79242&postcount=3

Soon... apparently Apple caught them off guard.

arn

[MacBoobsPro]

Holy Shizzle. It IS fast! :)

The opening movie kind of scared me and when it finished I was like er... now what? :p

Whos betting that this update has now broken HSBC internet banking (only a week after it was fixed). :D

[dj420118]

It is now half the size of Safari 3. ~60 MB versus ~30 MB now

[SFStateStudent]

yeah, I just asked the same question. Looking at the screenshots it looks different to me...installing

OK, I'm doing the same on three Macs...:cool:

[casik]

I am in love with it already! Downloaded and installed fine, no problems so far!

[Clayne]

I'm sure I'll like it, although I kinda like how safari is NOW, with the tabs on the bottom and stuff...oh well, I trust it'll be good.

[athimmig]

Anyone able to get on gMail or google docs? It just hangs for me.

Otherwise... wow is this thing fast!

[jhlane27]

So far so good for me. I'm not as reliant on the various browser features as some of you, so the new Safari is working fine, no complaints. The only question I have is how to add a specific site to the 'Top Sites' page. It seems to only try pulling webpages from your history. But I'd like to have 12 specific pages that I can see a quick preview of if need be instead of just clicking the 'X' on the chance that it grabs the right webpage. Any ideas?


ps: Not sure I'm crazy about tabs along the top, but maybe I'll get use to it.

[rdowns]

So far, it's quite stable. And yes, it is faster, much faster than Safari 3. Seems to render text differently though. I usually read MR by clicking Zoom In twice. Now two times is too big and 1 time is too small. Still have to get used to tabs being on top.

[DaveTheGrey]

zoom = great feature! thanks apple!

[CaptainScarlet]

I'd have to say, the new features are amazing!!

The tabs on top will need some getting use too.


Now if we could only get rid of those stupid flash adds, things would run so much better!

[r.j.s]

Anyone able to get on gMail or google docs? It just hangs for me.

Otherwise... wow is this thing fast!

It hung the first time I tried GMail, but nothing since.

[Son of Matrix]

Remember it's a beta. Use it at your own risk. Remember Google Chrome Beta?

[jhlane27]

Anyone able to get on gMail or google docs? It just hangs for me.

Otherwise... wow is this thing fast!

Gmail came up fine for me, but Docs is just hanging now.

[angelneo]

Wow, the new Safari in Vista looks much much better than Safari 3, definitely an upgrade. I might actually start using it on Windows.

[Dagless]

Awesome.

I'm getting sick of Firefox crashing on me in XP. Time to switch to Safari 4!

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Remember it's a beta. Use it at your own risk. Remember Google Chrome Beta?

Remember Gmail... Google Chrome will never be out of beta. Just because it says beta on it doesn't make it a beta product.

[Bubba Satori]

This is better than a Mini or iMac update;)

Yeah, Apple's frenzied computer updates are hard to keep up with. :D Apple's computer offerings are like going through a picked over antique shop.

[mastershakess]

looks like a complete Google Chrome rip off now :(

[imcquill]

I was having lots of problems until I deleted all inputmanager hacks. That includes inquisitor, and any SIMBL plugins. Pages were not fully loading and the interface was totally unresponsive before that. Deleted those, restarted Safari, and the browser is ridiculously fast.

It does auto-complete based on google suggest now anyways, so not much need for inquisitor.

[Wee Beastie]

Looks kinda sexy to me. I am a FF3 user. This is the first time I have been excited about Safari. It is nice and I do use it sometimes, but nothing has tempted me away from FF. Maybe this will be the release that wins me over. Anyway I'll be watching all you beta testers to see what the deal is. Maybe I'll just mosey on over to the Apple site and test it myself...

[ArthurS]

Like the improvements very much, but a colleague noted that Microsoft Hotmail doesn't seem to work in this version. The inbox opens, but it's impossible to open any e-mails. Weird :confused:

[talkingfuture]

Hopefully the speed improvements etc are just a precursor to what Snow Leopard will offer!

[patrikorup]

Thanks, that solved the "ERROR_SEC"-bug !

Here to, thanks, I first thought that it was something wrong with my harddrive :)

[cal6n]

Any news on Glims or PithHelmet compatibility yet?

[Belly-laughs]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=644183&page=21

Click this link
Images take forever to load.....

And I always had the impression forever was slightly longer than 1 second :confused:

[Nintendolinky]

Is anyone having any issues loading any websites with a https protocol. Any website i.e. banking, mobile phone accounts anything with a https protocol is not loading.

[paulshephard]

Anyone able to get on gMail or google docs? It just hangs for me.

Otherwise... wow is this thing fast!

Both work perfectly for me!

[SFStateStudent]

Definitely gonna' get pulled over for exceeding expectations!:D

All you ADC Safari 4.0 Beta (5528.1) Users need to switch as fast as you can. :eek:

[dr_lha]

OK, here's a weird issue: After installing Safari 4, GrowlMail crashes my Mail program every time I get a new email.

[rdowns]

Is anyone having any issues loading any websites with a https protocol. Any website i.e. banking, mobile phone accounts anything with a https protocol is not loading.

Nope. Chase and Bank of America both work fine for me.

[paulshephard]

Is anyone having any issues loading any websites with a https protocol. Any website i.e. banking, mobile phone accounts anything with a https protocol is not loading.

My bank, which is of https:// protocol works fine!

[csimmons]

I agree, they're absolutely terrible.

...And the stop/refresh button has completely disappeared.

Uhh...it's inside the URL text field. Just like on Mobile Safari.

[K3mp]

And I always had the impression forever was slightly longer than 1 second :confused:
Same here. The dev preview was fast. This is REALLY fast. I'm on hotel internet right now(Mardi Gras in N.O.) And safari 3 was having a hard time connecting. Firefox was working and now Safari 4 is slightly faster.

[paulshephard]

Like the improvements very much, but a colleague noted that Microsoft Hotmail doesn't seem to work in this version. The inbox opens, but it's impossible to open any e-mails. Weird :confused:

Having the same problem myself and it's dam annoying!

[Badradio]

No matter how curious you are, don't turn off all of the menu/tool bars. Reinstalling now... :o

[Nintendolinky]

My bank, which is of https:// protocol works fine!

Dont understand can someone go to this site for me please Abbey (https://myonlineaccounts2.abbeynational.co.uk/CentralLogonWeb/Logon?action=prepare) and tell me if it loads, don't worry its only a UK banks online login page.
Thankyou

[dwd3885]

this is nice. I like how it looks Windows native if you use Safari in Windows. I think it makes it a better browser on the Windows side. I still use Firefox on the Mac though.

[Borjan]

Like the improvements very much, but a colleague noted that Microsoft Hotmail doesn't seem to work in this version. The inbox opens, but it's impossible to open any e-mails. Weird :confused:

Yup, happening to me too! :(

[RQPS]

There is no reload page button in the toolbar anymore??

Never mind found it over by the RSS, don't know if I like that as much.

[fastbite]

Yep, 1Password is gone ... :(

[Zwhaler]

Looks good so far. Not yet used to the tabs on top thing, but its only been 5 minutes.

[drlunanerd]

Now if we could only get rid of those stupid flash adds, things would run so much better!

Your wish is my command (http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master) :)

[Wayfarer]

OK, here's a weird issue: After installing Safari 4, GrowlMail crashes my Mail program every time I get a new email.

I'm having the same issue! :eek:

[daneoni]

First impressions...it seems marginally faster than the previous one. It got my top sites pretty much spot on. I'm not really a fan of the new tabbing method, personally i think they should've stuck with the old method and just adopt independent tabbing (each tab runs independently) like Chrome

Also its a much more tinier app compared to Safary 3...even more so when you strip UBs

[gilesrulz]

The new tabs are awful. If only there were an option to have them the old way, or to make them the old size.

I hate them too. How is it helpful for them to be up above the address bar?

[jellomizer]

I for the life of me can't find how to open the Coverflow view in Windows...

[ggt]

nice, looks like the welcome message is done in html 5 and css effects. i could be wrong though

[That-Is-Bull]

Cool...
http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=159423&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1235484687

Indeed :D
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/images/t/27229/1226261968https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/images/t/27232/1226262144https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/images/t/27226/1226261828
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8879

But I'm sure Apple's is much more stable and sexy.

Edit: Just realized FoxTab is for viewing your open tabs while Top Sites is for bookmarks. In that case:
http://paulstamatiou.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/opera9_2_speeddial.jpg

But Apple's is much sexier.

[SkippyThorson]

Well, Safari certainly is snappier. I'm digging the Top Sites feature. I just have to get used to the tabs on the top now though. Probably by tonight.

I keep looking up and thinking 'where did all my tabs go to'? Then my mind just says 'half an inch away'. :)

Wowzers.

I can't resist:
Go go gadget Beta.:cool:

[giaotze]

I hate them too. How is it helpful for them to be up above the address bar?

I like them though... Maybe I was already used to them when I was trying out Chrome

[paulshephard]

Dont understand can someone go to this site for me please Abbey (https://myonlineaccounts2.abbeynational.co.uk/CentralLogonWeb/Logon?action=prepare) and tell me if it loads, don't worry its only a UK banks online login page.
Thankyou

The page itself loads for me no problem. It does say about being an unsupported browser, but nothing appears to not actually work. I can't log in though due to that not being my bank!

[SFStateStudent]

Well, I'm not one to be a bubble buster, but there seems to be lag (the rainbow beach ball) while moving around within MacRumors; hopefully it's just me and my Mac is just warming up...:eek:

[Nintendolinky]

The page itself loads for me no problem. It does say about being an unsupported browser, but nothing appears to not actually work. I can't log in though due to that not being my bank!

Thanks mate for trying when i try and logon it give me this:
"Safari can’t open the page.
Safari can’t open the page “https://myonlineaccounts2.abbeynational.co.uk/CentralLogonWeb/Logon?action=prepare” because Safari can’t establish a secure connection to the server “myonlineaccounts2.abbeynational.co.uk”."

Looks like im going back to safari 3

[JCrew7384]

For some reason Gmail keeps hanging. Apparently they are having troubles, but it loads fine for me in Firefox. Anyone else having this problem? It just shows a blank page.

[RQPS]

There needs to be a better way to manage top sites, I want to get my gmail on there and its not coming up as a delete sites that are repeated. Is there away to do this and I am missing it?

[aristotelis]

Yup, happening to me too! :(

hotmail works fine here though

[Anghammarad]

I like that it is now possible to cycle between open tabs by using alt-tab

Edit: ctrl-tab dammit

[paulshephard]

For some reason Gmail keeps hanging. Apparently they are having troubles, but it loads fine for me in Firefox. Anyone else having this problem? It just shows a blank page.

It seems to work for some and not others. Google mail/docs/calendar and so on work fine for me on the Leopard version of Safari 4.

[BrentT]

The toolbar has minimal options in this beta. I would like to have the Stop/Reload button back.

[LoCarbHotrod]

Won't install on 10.6. Darn!

[SFStateStudent]

There needs to be a better way to manage top sites, I want to get my gmail on there and its not coming up as a delete sites that are repeated. Is there away to do this and I am missing it?

+1 ^^^ what happens if my son's favorite porn site is one of his TOP SITES? (Again, hypothetically!:o):D

[giaotze]

For some reason Gmail keeps hanging. Apparently they are having troubles, but it loads fine for me in Firefox. Anyone else having this problem? It just shows a blank page.

Mine works fine. Not only that, I no longer sees the Bad Gateway 500 error I was having trouble with before

[rdowns]

For some reason Gmail keeps hanging. Apparently they are having troubles, but it loads fine for me in Firefox. Anyone else having this problem? It just shows a blank page.

Gmail is fine for me.

I like that it is now possible to cycle between open tabs by using alt-tab

control-tab

[Love]

Thanks mate for trying when i try and logon it give me this:
"Safari can’t open the page.
Safari can’t open the page “https://myonlineaccounts2.abbeynational.co.uk/CentralLogonWeb/Logon?action=prepare” because Safari can’t establish a secure connection to the server “myonlineaccounts2.abbeynational.co.uk”."

Looks like im going back to safari 3

nintendolinky, I just clicked on that link in S4 and it opened just fine.

___________

As for my first impressions, I definitely like it. I see a nice speed increase on my PC but unfortunately have yet to try it on my Mac. It looks very polished.

[plinx0r]

Seems nice but I need 1password back. Anyone found a solution to reinstall the Safari plugin?

[gGGg]

nice, looks like the welcome message is done in html 5 and css effects. i could be wrong though

Welcome message? I didn't notice any welcome message...

[slapppy]

What about most corporate and lately sites that are using Active-X, .NET, ASPX that keeps telling me I have to use Internet Explorer to work properly? I mean lets not forget that 90% of the planet is still owned by Microsoft.

[spazzcat]

Does anyone else have google hosted email? I can get to everything but my email. :(

[dpfenninger]

Anyone know if Safari 4 is based of the nightly WebKits? I've been running those as my main browser for a little while now, and overall I like it as everything's been snappy and working well.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Does anyone else have google hosted email? I can get to everything but my email. :(

I think that's a Gmail issue, not Safari, because I'm looking at my email right now.

[0racle]

I hate them too. How is it helpful for them to be up above the address bar?
It's a more efficient use of space.

[Saladinos]

direct link (Leopard): http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/Safari4/061-4669.20090224.lpsaf/Safari4.0BetaLeo.dmg

[SFStateStudent]

Dang, five pages in my Top Sites are MR pages! I need breakfast and my coffee NOW...:p

[ggt]

Welcome message? I didn't notice any welcome message...

http://www.apple.com/safari/welcome/

[bartelby]

Does anyone else have google hosted email? I can get to everything but my email. :(

Might have something to do with this (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7907583.stm)

[Anghammarad]

control-tab

Right you are. :o

[guklein]

If I install Safari 4, does Safari 3 uninstall automatically?

Is it worth?

Thank you.

[darwinian]

Does not run for me. Just continues to crash upon attempting to open. Crash reports submitted ...

[giaotze]

Does not run for me. Just continues to crash upon attempting to open. Crash reports submitted ...


I also installed the Foxmark for Safari... works flawlessly :)

[aznguyen316]

it has some features that have been in Chrome, like Top sites, which I liked using on chrome and the tabs on top is a chrome thing too.. hmm oh well I like chrome on windows so this is a good thing!! =D d/l now

[Warbrain]

I take it back - this is NOT as bad of a resource hog.

[spazzcat]

I think that's a Gmail issue, not Safari, because I'm looking at my email right now.

It's an issue with Safari 4. I can get in with firefox. It kinda sucks because I am liking Safari 4.

[neiltc13]

I miss the background of the address bar filling up with blue juice while the page loads. It's more difficult to see when your pages are done now.

[Warbrain]

It's an issue with Safari 4. I can get in with firefox. It kinda sucks because I am liking Safari 4.

Gmail loads just fine for me.

[Yvan256]

Okay, so I rename Safari.app to Safari 3.app ... and the installer replaces Safari 3.app with Safari 4 Beta. :eek:

If you want to keep Safari 3, better rename it AND move it somewhere else, AND make a copy while you're at it!

If anyone manages to have the two versions at the same time, please tell me!

[Warbrain]

I miss the background of the address bar filling up with blue juice while the page loads. It's more difficult to see when your pages are done now.

I do have issue with this. I miss that.

[Forever]

RSS dont crash my safari anymore! Excellent stuff so far.

[spazzcat]

Gmail loads just fine for me.

Are you using gmail or gmail hosted apps?

[some12b]

I opened the same tabs in both Firefox and Safari - and for once Safari uses less resources! Unbelievable! Good work Apple.

[SFStateStudent]

Gawd, the dreaded rainbow beach ball and my Mac sounding like it's busting it butt to move from one page to the next. I going from page 4 member's list to page 11 member's list and it's taking 4.55 seconds which is much slower than ADC Safari 4.0 Beta (5528.1)...:(

[drlunanerd]

Seems nice but I need 1password back. Anyone found a solution to reinstall the Safari plugin?

It's not a plugin, it's an InputManager hack and is unsupported - that's why it's broken. It's 1Password's fault, not Apple's, so it's up to them to get it working again.

[0racle]

It's an issue with Safari 4. I can get in with firefox. It kinda sucks because I am liking Safari 4.
It might not be. GMail was having intermittent problems.

http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=5920

Works fine for me in Safari 4.

[CrzyCanuck72]

I miss the background of the address bar filling up with blue juice while the page loads. It's more difficult to see when your pages are done now.
Agreed, the loading bar was very helpful. So far so good with Safari 4... I'm getting a bit of beachballing, but when it's running, it's pretty fast.

[Warbrain]

Are you using gmail or gmail hosted apps?

Gmail itself. Just typed gmail.com and it loads no problem.

[uptherighttree]

it's removed all my bookmarks!! i don't have mobileme so can't sync them up

[jhlane27]

+1 ^^^ what happens if my son's favorite porn site is one of his TOP SITES? (Again, hypothetically!:o):D


+2. Exactly, I'd like to be able to customize my top sites instead of Safari just choosing what it thinks are my top sites based off my recent history...

[Lopes]

I do have issue with this. I miss that.

This is my biggest complaint, and a main reason why i never used firefox. I like to see a progress of the page loading. Now they copied firefox with a spinning circle? Seriously apple?

I'm liking the techy updates to this (speed, rendering, et al), but I am very disspointed in the UI design changes. Tabs up top are stupid. Requires more movement and just doesn't make sense to have them on the outside.

Plus, now you have to click a little area in the tab's corner to move or extract it, whereas before you could click anywhere. I've already have some curses over missing the new spot in my using of it this morning.

Apple's really been disappointing me lately, and this is just another small example in a long line.

[plinx0r]

It's not a plugin, it's an InputManager hack and is unsupported - that's why it's broken. It's 1Password's fault, not Apple's, so it's up to them to get it working again.

Oh, news to me. Guess we'll have to wait for something from Agile. :cool:

[Warbrain]

You can remove sites from your top sites.

Click edit at the bottom and you can click the 'X' that shows up next to the sites. They won't show up again until they rank high.

[spazzcat]

Gmail itself. Just typed gmail.com and it loads no problem.

I can log in to my @gmail.com account, but not my hosted account.

[notjustjay]

I was browsing sites for a while using IE on my OLD Windows XP laptop (bought it from one of off-lease shops), and thought I'd give this a try. It's a Centrino 1.5 GHz with either 512 MB or 1 gig of RAM, can't recall.

It's fast, seems faster than IE on the same machine. Pages do load snappier.

I do like the native Windows look far better than the "a bit of Mac on Windows" look. I know that might have been a fond reminder for us Mac folks, but it's just plain annoying for everyone else, and it suggested that Apple merely ported a lot of their own UI code to run on Windows instead of rewriting their code to use native Windows APIs. So the "native look" probably has a lot to do with the speed increases, and will probably mean a lot fewer bugs because the Windows APIs are more mature. Plus if Apple wants to be taken seriously in the Windows world, it really does need to try to make its apps blend in instead of sticking out.

However, it is still evident to me that this is a Windows application written by people not used to writing Windows applications. Just as the Mac has a style guide for how a program should "look like a Mac application", Windows has them too, and this app is close, but not quite. Certain fonts seem just a bit too big (the address bar) and some dialogs just don't look right (the "default browser check"). But these are minor quibbles.

What else? The tabs on top is ridiculous, and I hope there's a way to turn it off. I was very disoriented by the lack of a traditional application menu and took a few seconds to figure out where everything was (but that's not just Apple, everyone in Windows-land seems to like doing this -- Windows Media Player drove me INSANE for the same reasons). I do like that pretty much all the menu settings have been condensed into two drop-downs.

I could not, for the life of me, figure out how to turn on the Top Sites browser, or Cover Flow. I searched and searched, then gave up because I had to get to work. I might be missing something obvious, but a good UI shouldn't let that happen.

Am I the only one that thinks that Apple's apparent philosophy of "Cover Flow on EVERYTHING!" is getting a bit tired? It's almost like Apple's written just one application framework (a list browser with Cover Flow) and is trying to apply it to everything imaginable: the Finder, iTunes, iPhoto, Safari, Front Row...

I will definitely continue experimenting with this on my laptop and looking forward to trying it on my Mac too!

[0racle]

I'd like to be able to customize my top sitesYou can, sort of. Click on the little edit button in the lower left corner of Top Sites View. You can pin and delete from there. You can also change the size of the previews.

[MrFrankly]

Someone else noticing a continues reading (or writing) of the HDD after the Safari 4 install? I suspect it's the "Safari webpage preview fetcher" process, it's damn annoying.

[netdog]

Wow! I love TOP SITES.

How could it be that nobody knew about all these new features?

[fastbite]

I found the progress bar psychologically depressing. Always looking at it to see who things where going. I prefer it now. Out of sight out of mind -- but to each its own.

[NoSmokingBandit]

most of these "innovative" features have been available on firefox for a long time now.

[Warbrain]

most of these "innovative" features have been available on firefox for a long time now.

Like what? Top sites? Tab bars at top? Improved JS engine?

Not in the non-beta releases.

[iJohnHenry]

I have it.

Learning curve follows.

;)

[lftrghtparadigm]

This is freaking sweet, as long as this Top Sites page is improved.:apple:

[bbotte]

Can you do "cover flow" on a windows machine? I don't see how you do it on my work XP machine.

[gGGg]

I miss the background of the address bar filling up with blue juice while the page loads. It's more difficult to see when your pages are done now.

I miss this too. I'll write it in the feedback, maybe they'll listen to us http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/smile.gif

[SFStateStudent]

You can remove sites from your top sites. Click edit at the bottom and you can click the 'X' that shows up next to the sites. They won't show up again until they rank high.

Thanks Warbrain, you saved ME; I mean you saved my SON! :D

[Roessnakhan]

Reminds me a LOT of Chrome. Not that it is a bad thing.

[Warbrain]

Thanks Warbrain, you saved ME; I mean you saved my SON! :D

No problem. First thing I did when I started it up ;)

[mogzieee]

Nice. I shall go ahead and try it out. :)

[pawcio]

Awesome! Just installed it and I already love the new "Top Sites" feature! Thanks apple for a great release, final version should be amazing! So far seems to be stable. :D

[gavstephenson]

I read somewhere that Safari is a memory hog. Is this true?

Anyone know anything about the memory usage of this new version?

Many thanks!

[colonels1020]

Tabs on top, a native Windows UI, and more speed?! Awesome! Finally a decent replacement for Chrome on my PC. :)

[yalag]

Does anyone know how to turn on Topsites and coverflow??? I just downloaded it on windows xp and spent 50 minutes looking for it :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

[lars666]

Didn't read all 10 pages, but after installing Safari 4 beta, Mail.app now always crashes when downloading a mail ... :(

Anybody else experiences this??

[Kar98]

"Full Page Zoom" is now available from:
- Safari 4 Beta
- Opera (been full screen zoom since so long that I can't even remember which version started it all)
- Firefox 3 (discovered that last night, and even said "now only Safari is missing this"*).

* = Internet Explorer 11, available in 2035, will probably have it too. ;)


Internet Explorer has had this feature for years: press F11 on IE for Windows and there it is.

[Saladinos]

+1 ^^^ what happens if my son's favorite porn site is one of his TOP SITES? (Again, hypothetically!:o):D

You can edit them. Remove the porn site, pin all the rest of them to stop it showing up again (or make sure you use private browsing).

Incidentally, I think it would be awesome if you could set certain sites to automatically view in private browsing mode (such as my... uhm... bank).

Also, anybody seen the web-app maker?

[cult hero]

Coverflow in your history?

Apple's starting to go slightly over the top with the coverflow now i think

I gotta say, I don't user cover flow ANYWHERE. I don't use it in iTunes (I like my text lists) and I don't use it in Finder (I do most of my heavy file management via the command line, it's just the kind of boring guy I am). I find that these features are mostly for the "cool" factor and don't really improve my work.

Cover flow history, on the other hand, is really nice and practical. Why? Because as someone who uses text when I click and hold my back button in my browser, it's not very useful if some page I'm going through has the same title over and over or some really long title prefaced with: "Domain.com — Home of all things Domain.com Related: Now viewing... <the part of the title I cared about>"

And sometimes titles aren't even helpful. This is not a feature I would use even daily, but when I'll want to use it I'll be all too happy it's there.

In other news they've changed the tab positioning to be like Chrome's. I don't know how happy that makes me, but it doesn't bother me either. It'll just take some getting used to. The have a new "top sites" feature which is like Opera's thing and the first thing I did was turn it off. (I feel like a cranky old man. I have my homepage and that's all I need!)

They've also integrated the "add bookmark" button into the address bar. This is really, really annoying for the minimalist in me because I know how to use command + D and now I have a button frozen up there. On the upside they've integrated the stop/reload button into the right of the address bar. I like the change, though I don't know that I would have noticed it if someone here hadn't pointed it out.

There is a new "Open in Dashboard" feature I haven't played with at all yet. I haven't a clue what I would use that for.

The new history shown as you type in the address bar is much improved. It breaks things into categories.

For the web geeks out there, they've modified the document inspector (Safari's answer to Firebug) and while I have only glanced at it thus far it looks like an improvement in the way it's integrated now.

With the exception of the integrated bookmarks button and my lukewarm feeling about the tab placement (I don't love it, I don't hate it) I like what I've need in the first 10 minutes.

Now here's to hoping version 4 is more stable than version 3 and is less prone to giving me the beach ball. Version 3 wasn't terrible, but it gave me problems often enough to gripe about, especially with sites containing crappy JavaScript.

looks like a complete Google Chrome rip off now :(

Yeah, because a browser is defined entirely by the placement of the tabs.

[0racle]

does anyone know how i can disable the google search suggestions. i really do not want this feature in my browser...

Preferences > Security > Unclick 'Warn when visiting a fraudulent website'

[Phil A.]

Works great on my 1st Gen MBA - it's very fast and I love the Google Chrome like Top Sites feature.
However, the tabs on top (again from Chrome?) is absolutely horrible and simply doesn't work :mad:

[iFanaddic]

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=644183&page=21

Am I the only one who's having trouble with

"Open links in a new tab in the current window"?

The link that I quoted always opens a new window, but my settings are set to "open in a new tab in the current window". Is this a bug that I should report? Or am I being dumb?

[Kar98]

LOL!

http://i43.tinypic.com/f4mowh.jpg

[notjustjay]

Does anyone know how to turn on Topsites and coverflow??? I just downloaded it on windows xp and spent 50 minutes looking for it :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Hmm, since you're now the third person to say this (including me), maybe this feature isn't supported in Windows?

[HawkEye40]

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/9205/safaridevoptions.png


Best thing about it for me by far. Web Devs can now test IE6 for windows from within Safari! Overall the dev tools are simply stunning.

[aznguyen316]

Like what? Top sites? Tab bars at top? Improved JS engine?

Not in the non-beta releases.

Top sites and tab bars at top have been in chrome since it was released

[MrFrankly]

Is there a way to show the currently open tabs in a top sites-like overview?

[tdgrn]

Wow this thing is fast! I can't even blink from the time I click on a new site and wait for it to load. This might make me too productive... scary

[Saladinos]

I should also say that I love the new UI. Especially with the bookmarks bar disabled. The window chrome (hah) is tiny. Much larger area for browsing!

With the top sites feature, what I like to do is make a new window, resize it until it's tiny, and load the top sites there.

EDIT: Oh, and check out the CSS Animations posted here a while ago.

[és:]

I remember the first time I tried Chrome, I was like 'tabs at the top! Which idiot thought of that!' but then, due to Safari always crashing on my windows machine I switched to Chrome for a while and the more I used it the sense it made. I prefer them on top.

Remember. This is a beta. I'm sure there will be a refresh button in the final version and maybe even a chance to swap the tabs back down.

[Phil A.]

http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=safaridevoptions.png


Best thing about it for me by far. Web Devs can now test IE6 for windows from within Safari! Overall the dev tools are simply stunning.

Not sure that would work - it would cause Safari to identify itself as IE6, but it would still render like Safari, which means none of the IE6 "quirks" and workarounds would work

[wankey]

Tabs on top is THE WORST interface idea EVER. Apple's UI designers have gone idiotic with this invention.

Tabs now double as the windows movement bar, and by God how many times have I shifted Safari because I was trying to change the tabs. And how many times Tabs doesn't work because it thinks I'm trying to move the window rather than click the tab. Chrome doesn't have this problem because there is extra area above the tab bar to use as window movement.

Not only that, but by God has Apple gone mad with the zooming in!??!?! It's WAY too sensitive. I'm browsing a website, scrolling down and oops, I just made the Zoom in function! Now it's just zoomed way too in. Try to zoom out... OOoops! Now it's zoomed way too out. Trackpad is entirely useless for this feature.

FU Apple, you take 10 steps forward and twenty steps back. I don't see you guys innovating much anymore, you steal Chrome's UI, steal Opera's start page, and make functionality that was great in Firefox and Chrome horrible.

[drlunanerd]

Does anyone know how to turn on Topsites and coverflow??? I just downloaded it on windows xp and spent 50 minutes looking for it :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

Hmm, since you're now the third person to say this (including me), maybe this feature isn't supported in Windows?

You need a DirectX 9 graphics card, might be the issue?
See here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3410

[g-7]

Okay, so I rename Safari.app to Safari 3.app ... and the installer replaces Safari 3.app with Safari 4 Beta. :eek:

If you want to keep Safari 3, better rename it AND move it somewhere else, AND make a copy while you're at it!

If anyone manages to have the two versions at the same time, please tell me!

There is no point in doing that. The most important parts of Safari, ie. the HTML and JavaScript engines are installed as frameworks in System/Library, so even if you copied Safari.app someplace else, it wouldn't work with updated frameworks or you would get some kind of hybrid Safari 3 application with Safari 4 engine.

Just install Safari 4, and if you don't like it, uninstall with the included uninstaller.

[Borjan]

Is there a way to show the currently open tabs in a top sites-like overview?

This would be REALLY nice.

Kinda like Expose but for your tabs.

[macridah]

oh snap. this beta is sweet. made my day.

[bergmef]

anyone find out how to get safari 3 bookmarks back?!? Only the menu bar bookmarks are there.

[Mac21ND]

Works well for me, no complaints so far.

[yrsonicdeath]

I've always wanted to like Safari, but it just never did it for me. I'm a FF3 user now, but I'm not all about that either. This could sway me, but I have to wait until I get home from work first. :(

[jonagetin]

Safari 4 is crashing mail on all of our computers here at my office.

Anyone else experiencing the same?

[cult hero]

Internet Explorer has had this feature for years: press F11 on IE for Windows and there it is.

He's not talking about full screen viewing. He's talking about full page zoom. Instead of just increasing text size (or, actually, anything denoted in CSS as having width or height in "em") it increases everything, including images. It's a good usability feature. You have the option to tell Safari to increase text size only.

IE has ALWAYS lagged on this feature. Opera allowed you to zoom everything and Firefox let you zoom the fonts, no matter how they were declared (px, pt, %, em, name) whereas in IE you were limited to just name and maybe em, I don't remember.

Opera beat everyone to this a long, long time ago. Someone mentioned earlier that Safari has copied Chrome and, to a lesser extend, Firefox. I gotta say, other than the tab position most of the copying I'm seeing is from Opera. (Of course, most people don't realize how many browser innovations were copied from Opera before being copied again to another source.)

[weezer160]

So far, everything loads way faster.

I just hope S4 is not as huge of a memory hog as S3. I mean, half of my 4GB on my iMac just locked away in S3!