Apple Shareholder Meeting Notes: Directors Reelected, No Change in Jobs' Plans

[MacRumors]

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Dow Jones Newswires (via CNN Money (http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200902251413DOWJONESDJONLINE000706_FORTUNE5.htm)) provides a recap of Apple's annual shareholder meeting held today on the company's campus in Cupertino, the first such meeting without Steve Jobs present since his return to the company in 1997. At the meeting, shareholders voted to reelect the entire Board of Directors and voted down four proposals made by shareholders but opposed by the Board of Directors.Shareholders also defeated proposals that would have given them a say on executive compensation, would have required Apple to disclose more about corporate political donations and its carbon footprint, and would have called for universal health care.In response to questions about the health of Jobs, the Associated Press reports (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gRZqwa1AoCbIHQZXuvbjGL36LAvQD96IQ0VG0) that there are no changes in his plans to return to the company in June.Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs still expects to return from his medical leave at the end of June, according to an Apple director who responded to an investor at the company's annual shareholder meeting Wednesday.

The investor had pressed for details about when the board of directors knew Jobs planned to step away from his daily duties. Apple director Arthur Levinson responded only by saying that since Jobs announced Jan. 14 that he needed to go on leave, "nothing has changed."Attendees also participated in a singing of "Happy Birthday" to the absent CEO, who celebrated his 54th birthday yesterday (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/02/24/happy-birthday-to-macrumors-and-steve-jobs/).

CNBC's Jim Goldman had hoped to live blog from the meeting, but Apple banned all communication devices (http://www.cnbc.com/id/29388727) from the meeting hall. Fortune, however, republished reports (http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/02/25/a-peek-inside-apples-shareholders-meeting/) from two investors who were able to sneak wireless devices into the room.

Article Link: Apple Shareholder Meeting Notes: (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/02/25/apple-shareholder-meeting-notes/)

[11800506]

Not much new news, but at least Jobs is still planning to come back and it looks like Macs are still selling well!

[Sky Blue]

Yeah, they'll say Jobs is coming back in June, until it gets to June then they'll change their minds.

[C00rDiNaT0r]

At the meeting, shareholders voted to reelect the entire Board of Directors

I don't understand, is this just out of formality, or did some investors really want to kick the entire board out while Apple is still making them money?

[jaw04005]

I don't understand, is this just out of formality, or did some investors really want to kick the entire board out while Apple is still making them money?

They have to be reelected every year. It's a formal procedure.

"Attendees also participated in a singing of 'Happy Birthday' to the absent CEO, who celebrated his 54th birthday yesterday."

Anyone else laugh out loud? :D

[irmongoose]

"Attendees also participated in a singing of 'Happy Birthday' to the absent CEO, who celebrated his 54th birthday yesterday."

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWp-Rj5o9uA) is all I could think of when I heard that...

I wonder how many of these shareholders actually show up to the meeting.



irmongoose

[talkingfuture]

I laughed at the singing too. Sounds like a non-event really. Roll on the rumourmill!

[mogzieee]

I propose a toast.

Too Steve!

[theheadguy]

Simply put, regardless of it being our business or not, I don't really believe anything Apple says in regards to Jobs's health. Nothing else to say really, I just don't have faith in Apple's responses to those questions.

[dmmcintyre3]

anybody know how much money Apple has?

[bryanc]

Since Apple put all it's effort into handhelds and laptops last year, and it's desktops are now all laughably out of date, I expected some major updates to the Desktop lineup this January. :mad:

I wonder if there was any discussion about Apple's apparent lack of interest in the desktop market at the shareholders' meeting.

Cheers

[mutuz]

I wonder if the timing of his comeback is random, or if a revision of a product or two may be realistic in this period. Snow Leopard? iPhone 4G? :)

[inkswamp]

I wonder if the timing of his comeback is random, or if a revision of a product or two may be realistic in this period. Snow Leopard? iPhone 4G? :)

Oh fer @#$%& sake, give the guy a break already. It's his health we're talking about, not a publicity stunt. I'm sure he's out until June on advice from his physician not because of the timing of a product release.

[iOrlando]

sounded interesting....so ivy is one of the top three (or should i say 4) for sure now huh.

[Matthew Yohe]

anybody know how much money Apple has?

28 billion in cash

[IJ Reilly]

Oh fer @#$%& sake, give the guy a break already. It's his health we're talking about, not a publicity stunt. I'm sure he's out until June on advice from his physician not because of the timing of a product release.

Are you sure? I heard that Steve Jobs 3.0 will be released in June.

[VaatiKaiba]

Only in Apple could the shareholders sing Happy Birthday to the head of the company... I do hope to join that bunch of madmen sometime!

[kwikdeth]

I wonder if there was any discussion about Apple's apparent lack of interest in the desktop market at the shareholders' meeting.



hear hear, the lack of updates to the mac pro and the mini lines are troubling at best. i thought one of the reasons for the intel switch was that they could make a better effort of staying fresh and competitive with their offerings. these two lines have been waiting for a refresh longer than we had to wait in the PPC days. it's getting pretty ridiculous. If anything, at least lower the prices over time, i believe the E5462 has come down something like $200-250 at least since its introduction. paying $2800 for a previous-generation chip tech is pretty lousy these days.

[zombitronic]

I wonder if the timing of his comeback is random, or if a revision of a product or two may be realistic in this period. Snow Leopard? iPhone 4G? :)

Oh fer @#$%& sake, give the guy a break already. It's his health we're talking about, not a publicity stunt. I'm sure he's out until June on advice from his physician not because of the timing of a product release.

I doubt that it's a publicity stunt, but if Steve feels well enough and if the product is groundbreaking enough, I think shareholders would be very pleased to see him give a presentation in June. I think Steve, himself, would be pleased to be back on stage giving a presentation. It is his company, after all.

[chadley_chad]

Never mind the f*!!!!g singing, they should concentrate on bringing some products to Market! Apple may be worth billions but logic dictates that if they had a current desktop and monitor offering, they might make more! Build it and they will buy!

To be honest, I'm fed up with Apple ignoring it's existing base of customers and today, after years of mac use, priced up a Dell XPS! Shock horror yes, but £1500 buys a 2.66 i7 quad core, 6gb, 1TB HDD, TWIN 512MB NVIDIA and a 24" display. Now I of all people know the benefits of mac os and iLife etc etc ... But even those caveats don't make for what I'm sure would be at least a £500 premium ... That's if Apple could ever squeeze all that in an iMac ... and would!

Let's wait and see if how Apple can surprise us SOON (I doubt unfortunately!)

[queshy]

I'd like to see him giving the WWDC keynote this year...

[mutuz]

Oh fer @#$%& sake, give the guy a break already. It's his health we're talking about, not a publicity stunt. I'm sure he's out until June on advice from his physician not because of the timing of a product release.Actually, I think that he's so passionate about Apple products, especially the iPhone, that he will return no matter what for this event - even if his physician says to wait two more months!;)

[jaw04005]

If Jobs can, he will return in time for WWDC provided it's not held in May this year.

[troller]

I give a **** if he will return or not. all I know is that they give a **** about the consumers.

[preservative]

There goes tomtom then.

[acidfast7]

Never mind the f*!!!!g singing, they should concentrate on bringing some products to Market! Apple may be worth billions but logic dictates that if they had a current desktop and monitor offering, they might make more! Build it and they will buy!

To be honest, I'm fed up with Apple ignoring it's existing base of customers and today, after years of mac use, priced up a Dell XPS! Shock horror yes, but £1500 buys a 2.66 i7 quad core, 6gb, 1TB HDD, TWIN 512MB NVIDIA and a 24" display. Now I of all people know the benefits of mac os and iLife etc etc ... But even those caveats don't make for what I'm sure would be at least a £500 premium ... That's if Apple could ever squeeze all that in an iMac ... and would!

Let's wait and see if how Apple can surprise us SOON (I doubt unfortunately!)

Have you ever used an XPS with Vista? If you had, you'd gladly go back to OSX ... it's not only about the specs.

One guy in my lab has an XPS notebook and a just bought a MacBook. The MB starts faster from totally off than his does resuming windows.

We found that I can ... swipe into the building, walk to my office, take off my jacket, take teh MB out of the bag and start using a Word document faster than he can resume Vista. LOL.

You get what you pay for ... you can keep the extra hardware and I'll take the nicer integrated package (hardware/software).

[sam10685]

anybody know how much money Apple has?

90 trillion cash. They are going to fix our economic recession soon.

[koobcamuk]

Yeah, they'll say Jobs is coming back in June, until it gets to June then they'll change their minds.

Yes.

He'll be delayed more than Leopard.

I think the board is "pulling a castro".

[DakotaGuy]

90 trillion cash. They are going to fix our economic recession soon.

Well that explains why we haven't seen any new hardware lately. Why mess with engineering expense when you have money like that and people keep buying?

Apple is still doing great even with lengthening out their product cycles. There is no reason to rush things to market when you are in their position. I am not saying that it is the right thing to do, but if you are trying to make money during an economic downturn that is one way to do it.

[otis123]

the singing of happy birthday to a person who even isnt there is a little weird.

[Bubba Satori]

the singing of happy birthday to a person who even isnt there is a little weird.


It's scary. They do that in North Korea for the glorious leader.

[Bonte]

Well that explains why we haven't seen any new hardware lately. Why mess with engineering expense when you have money like that and people keep buying?

Its almost $30 billion, Apple can earn $2 billion interest per year if they want to. Net income for 2008 was $4.8 billion, is this with or without there interest?

Seems like a good amount of cash to spend some time for.

[Mr. Giver '94]

the singing of happy birthday to a person who even isnt there is a little weird.

They used iChat silly....;)

Of course Steve got a bit upset when the aquarium background wouldn't work correctly... "Who designs this crap anyway??" :D

[kdarling]

the singing of happy birthday to a person who even isnt there is a little weird.

Heh. Oh, I betcha he was secretly listening. :)

[macshill]

Only CNBC shocked at Apple's media rules
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10172232-37.html


This reader's comment reflects my personal views:

"It's a shame that more people don't see through Apple and realize how much of a controlling company they are in all aspects of their operations. The masses are too busy dumping on Microsoft, while ignoring Apple's underhanded tactics."

[dwl017]

Only CNBC shocked at Apple's media rules
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10172232-37.html


This reader's comment reflects my personal views:

"It's a shame that more people don't see through Apple and realize how much of a controlling company they are in all aspects of their operations. The masses are too busy dumping on Microsoft, while ignoring Apple's underhanded tactics."

Steve Jobs reminds me of Jim Jones and the fanatic Apple fan boys remind me of the cult followers that drank the cool aid.

[macshill]

heh I thought all the fanboys here would be bashing me.

http://i38.tinypic.com/2uhbkzt.jpg
I should put "Steve Jobs isn't God and Apple isn't Heaven." in my siggy. ;)

[SkippyThorson]

They have to be reelected every year. It's a formal procedure.

"Attendees also participated in a singing of 'Happy Birthday' to the absent CEO, who celebrated his 54th birthday yesterday."

Anyone else laugh out loud? :D

You bet I did. I could only imagine people being forcefully happy while signing an oversized birthday card being passed cubicle to cubicle.

[roski11]

It's scary. They do that in North Korea for the glorious leader.

lol, good one

[dwl017]

heh I thought all the fanboys here would be bashing me.

http://i38.tinypic.com/2uhbkzt.jpg
I should put "Steve Jobs isn't God and Apple isn't Heaven." in my siggy. ;)

This is hilarious sad part is its true! all the pathetic fan boys with the little Apple altars at home. :D:D:D:D I guess when he dies most of them will need to take bereavement leave from work for at least a week or two. I wonder how many fan boys will camp out around his house holding votive candles during his last days.

[IJ Reilly]

Only CNBC shocked at Apple's media rules
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10172232-37.html


This reader's comment reflects my personal views:

"It's a shame that more people don't see through Apple and realize how much of a controlling company they are in all aspects of their operations. The masses are too busy dumping on Microsoft, while ignoring Apple's underhanded tactics."

Please explain where in the article "underhanded tactics" are described.

[ZorPrime]

Have you ever used an XPS with Vista? If you had, you'd gladly go back to OSX ... it's not only about the specs.

One guy in my lab has an XPS notebook and a just bought a MacBook. The MB starts faster from totally off than his does resuming windows.

We found that I can ... swipe into the building, walk to my office, take off my jacket, take teh MB out of the bag and start using a Word document faster than he can resume Vista. LOL.

You get what you pay for ... you can keep the extra hardware and I'll take the nicer integrated package (hardware/software).

I have an XPS notebook running 64bit Vista and besides playing Crysis, Bioshock, Sins of a Solar Empire, and Fallout 3, I use it to surf sites that I can't with my Powerbook G4. The biometric finger print reader's kewl... I don't have to worry about memorizing passwords. Only reason why I got it was because I got 2.9k USD off from a buddy of mine from the company who has the hookups. ;) but other than that, I agree w/ ya 99.9% *just sayin'*

[lazyrighteye]

A show of hands who suspects the scheduled June Jobs return is intended to coincide with the next iPhone announcement/launch?

[jaw04005]

It looks like the shareholder meeting was pretty much a waste of time except for the normal, re-election of board members.

Check out Macworld's article on the bizarre questions asked:

http://www.macworld.com/article/139051/2009/02/shareholders_blog.html

[kas23]

I wonder if the timing of his comeback is random, or if a revision of a product or two may be realistic in this period. Snow Leopard? iPhone 4G? :)

I'm sure it is not random. I don't know why he or anyone else could have put such a strict time table on his recovery. Who knows when he will be feeling better. But "5 months" picked as an arbitrary number seems kinda strange.

I wouldn't call it a publicity stunt at all (like another poster called it), but he just wants to be back to announce the new iPhone or Snow Leopard. Seems like a reasonable goal to me.

[Bubba Satori]

It looks like the shareholder meeting was pretty much a waste of time except for the normal, re-election of board members.

Check out Macworld's article on the bizarre questions asked:

http://www.macworld.com/article/139051/2009/02/shareholders_blog.html


Cupertino is acquiring a surreal, almost Jonestown feeling about it. :eek:

[kas23]

the singing of happy birthday to a person who even isnt there is a little weird.

Yes, that is. That to me sounds like a publicity stunt. Unless they had him on iChat or speakerphone or something.

[kas23]

Its almost $30 billion, Apple can earn $2 billion interest per year if they want to. Net income for 2008 was $4.8 billion, is this with or without there interest?

Seems like a good amount of cash to spend some time for.

I'm unsure where they are getting a 6% return on their cash in this ****ty economy. I actually do wonder what they are doing with it. Is it stashed under Steve's mattress?

Only CNBC shocked at Apple's media rules
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10172232-37.html


This reader's comment reflects my personal views:

"It's a shame that more people don't see through Apple and realize how much of a controlling company they are in all aspects of their operations. The masses are too busy dumping on Microsoft, while ignoring Apple's underhanded tactics."

Wrong board for this one. Round these parts, the kool aid flows out of the faucets.

[kas23]

heh I thought all the fanboys here would be bashing me.

http://i38.tinypic.com/2uhbkzt.jpg
I should put "Steve Jobs isn't God and Apple isn't Heaven." in my siggy. ;)

I raise you a:

http://denisewymore.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/steve_koolaid2.jpg

[iMaggot]

Yeah, they'll say Jobs is coming back in June, until it gets to June then they'll change their minds.

Well...........lets just hope Jobs is ok and able to come back in June.

[ipoppy]

Attendees also participated in a singing of "Happy Birthday" to the absent CEO, who celebrated his 54th birthday yesterday (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/02/24/happy-birthday-to-macrumors-and-steve-jobs/).



Yea...its like pray to "our" god "big steve". Kinda pathetic since you should sing that when person is present.

[xlii]

Yea...its like pray to "our" god "big steve". Kinda pathetic since you should sing that when person is present.

The whole thing sounds so "1984". Kinda scary. :apple:

[dwl017]

Well...........lets just hope Jobs is ok and able to come back in June.

Why? once he is dead the company will be better off, his Jim Jones type of rein must end!

[dwl017]

I raise you a:

http://denisewymore.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/steve_koolaid2.jpg

The lights go dim and Steve walks back out on stage carrying a large pitcher of Kool Aid and says "one more thing" :eek:

In a few minutes we will be passing out the new iCups so drink up folks.

LOL you fools!

[arkitect]

Attendees also participated in a singing of "Happy Birthday" to the absent CEO, who celebrated his 54th birthday yesterday (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/02/24/happy-birthday-to-macrumors-and-steve-jobs/).

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWp-Rj5o9uA) is all I could think of when I heard that...

This is what I thought of…
;)
shudder… all hail the Great Absent Leader. Apple just gets weirder and weirder…
http://english.chosun.com/media/photo/news/200702/200702160025_01.jpg

The whole thing sounds so "1984". Kinda scary. :apple:
I do agree.

[Jayomat]

why does this belong to macrumors? are we supposed to make up the rumors ourselves? ;)

[kornyboy]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5H11 Safari/525.20)

It is good to hear that plans haven't changed for Steve but I still think that he won't be back to Apple in the capacity that he was if at all.

[mags631]

Wrong board for this one. Round these parts, the kool aid flows out of the faucets.

So does the cynicism.

[DakotaGuy]

I just read the account of the person who was able to sneak in a wireless device. I can see why they ban all electronic devices from their meetings. It was a very strange meeting to say the least.

[carfac]

So does the cynicism.

Not to the same extent as the Kool Aid. This thread for example, I would guess it is about 3 to 1 people who blindly believe what Apple says (or have impossible super-human expectations for the company) versus those that question what Apple says.

For example, I saw only one post that questioned SJ's return in June... versus well more than 3 that expect it.

I am of the skeptical nature. Apple has not proved that they are in any way reliable when reporting on SJs health. I wish no ill of anyone, but I do not believe you will see him in the CEO chair again.

[carfac]

I can see why they ban all electronic devices from their meetings.

I can, too: Apple is the new MS.

[DakotaGuy]

I can, too: Apple is the new MS.

Only you have to admit that Apple is becoming more bizarre then MS and that says a lot when you think back to some of the things Ballmer has said or done.

Arguing about who is a socialist at a shareholder meeting and singing Happy Birthday to their holy leader who is absent? Sorry that borders on wacky to me.

[Cole Slaw]

I doubt that it's a publicity stunt, but if Steve feels well enough and if the product is groundbreaking enough, I think shareholders would be very pleased to see him give a presentation in June. I think Steve, himself, would be pleased to be back on stage giving a presentation. It is his company, after all.
Is it HIS company?
I thought that Apple's shareholders actually owned it.
Anyways, the shareholders seem like a very sheepish bunch; they'll follow along with whatever the Supreme Soviet, err, Apple's Board of Directors say.
Any issues they may have will be swept aside in June when General Secretary Jobs returns from his cold.

[lftrghtparadigm]

No one notices or comments on the fact that the shareholders propositions that were opposed by the board of directors... all revolve around keeping them honest?

1. executive compensation limits - shot down (its "your" money..except not, its really our money)
2. political donation disclosure - who are you lobbying for and why (something shareholders should be aware of, if they are not, then its a secret and for bad reason)
3. carbon footprint - what a joke, they laughed this one off remembering who it is asking such a thing...silly people who believe nutbags like al gore.
4. universal health care - probably the number one thing keeping people alive past 40 today is health care, and yet we can barely maintain it.

[lftrghtparadigm]

Only you have to admit that Apple is becoming more bizarre then MS and that says a lot when you think back to some of the things Ballmer has said or done.

Arguing about who is a socialist at a shareholder meeting and singing Happy Birthday to their holy leader who is absent? Sorry that borders on wacky to me.

Apple has gotten more bizarre as the NSA and Homeland security have lost interest in using PC's to spy on people, they are more interested in the innovative ways that Apple can come up with for people to volunteer all of their personal info and lifestyle on a regular basis. Less work.

[Eric S.]

The San Jose Mercury writes this morning that shareholders criticized Apple's board over issues that included disclosing Steve Jobs' health status, and that Tim Cook seemed less confrontational to shareholders than Jobs,

Apple shareholders get peek at company without Jobs (http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_11783220?nclick_check=1)

[compuguy1088]

It's scary. They do that in North Korea for the glorious leader.

*shudder*

I have an XPS notebook running 64bit Vista and besides playing Crysis, Bioshock, Sins of a Solar Empire, and Fallout 3, I use it to surf sites that I can't with my Powerbook G4. The biometric finger print reader's kewl... I don't have to worry about memorizing passwords. Only reason why I got it was because I got 2.9k USD off from a buddy of mine from the company who has the hookups. ;) but other than that, I agree w/ ya 99.9% *just sayin'*

That is the one thing that PC's have over macs, better variety of hardware, to allow for gaming. Macs, in design and its tightly intertwined software + hardware development also has its advantages (Note: I own both a Macbook Pro and a custom built gaming PC, quad core).

[zombitronic]

Is it HIS company?
I thought that Apple's shareholders actually owned it.

You're technically correct. However, after you've nurtured a company which you've co-founded into a multi-billion dollar corporation, would you not consider it yours, at least in a casual sense?

[kingtj]

I don't think you can realistically expect any board of directors to vote for rules that would potentially limit their own pay.... When this sort of thing does happen, it's typically brought about by the company getting hit with a load of bad publicity about what they pay their executives. Then the CEO spearheads the move to vote in some kind of limitation, to appease the public.

Put yourself in their shoes for a minute. If you were on the board of a company doing far better than average in the economic climate, and someone asked you to voluntarily place a cap on your pay, would YOU eagerly do it? I think not....

Now, #2? I think it would have definitely been good to see them pass that one. If companies are making political donations, customers should be able to easily obtain that info and use it as part of their purchasing decisions. Again though, I'm not surprised the board would be too "chicken" to agree to that. (They probably realize that releasing such information would do Apple more harm than good in sales figures. Big corporations and the financial sector generally hasn't adopted Macs, and they'd be the ones less likely to do so if they saw how many liberal political agendas Apple probably sent donations to.)

IMHO, #3 and #4 are both a joke. You want Apple to provide "universal health care" to all of its employees? What, exactly, does that mean? They could cover 100% of their medical expenses? They should ensure everyone employed there has the option to be on an insurance policy? I'm pretty sure if you're employed at Apple, you probably make a salary sufficient to handle buying your own individual health ins. plan, if you desired -- and I'm also sure their current setup offers medical benefits in line with other companies of their type.


No one notices or comments on the fact that the shareholders propositions that were opposed by the board of directors... all revolve around keeping them honest?

1. executive compensation limits - shot down (its "your" money..except not, its really our money)
2. political donation disclosure - who are you lobbying for and why (something shareholders should be aware of, if they are not, then its a secret and for bad reason)
3. carbon footprint - what a joke, they laughed this one off remembering who it is asking such a thing...silly people who believe nutbags like al gore.
4. universal health care - probably the number one thing keeping people alive past 40 today is health care, and yet we can barely maintain it.

[farmboy]

This is what I thought of…
;)
shudder… all hail the Great Absent Leader. Apple just gets weirder and weirder…
http://english.chosun.com/media/photo/news/200702/200702160025_01.jpg


I do agree.

It was a stupid birthday song for a guy who is very sick and couldn't be there. Stop all this Big Brother crap.

[THX1139]

Cupertino is acquiring a surreal, almost Jonestown feeling about it. :eek:

You have no clue of what you are talking about. It's borderline offensive if you know anything about the history of Jonestown. Apple is a computer company that happens to have a large base of loyal customers. Nothing more.

[THX1139]

The lights go dim and Steve walks back out on stage carrying a large pitcher of Kool Aid and says "one more thing" :eek:

In a few minutes we will be passing out the new iCups so drink up folks.

LOL you fools!

I guess these boards are no longer moderated.

[IJ Reilly]

I guess these boards are no longer moderated.

They are, but you generally have to report a post if you believe it violates the posting rules.

[MikeTheC]

I propose a toast.

Too Steve!
Too Steve? Whom else are you proposing a toast to?


BTW, loved that clip from Office Space. Would you folks believe I've actually never seen it? I started looking at the other clips of it on YouTube and it's a definite future rental for me.

[twoodcc]

very glad to hear nothing has changed as far as jobs coming back. looking forward to when he does come back

[mrwalker]

Jobs is old and tired. Give someone younger a change. Apple needs new inspiration and a change of direction from its fascist ways.