Latest Mac Mini Spy Shot, Probably Fake

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Here's the latest "spy shot" to end up in our inbox, which we believe is fake. This one claims to depict the Mac Mini box, we think. We've posted it since other sites are posting it as possibly real.

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[plumbingandtech]

Love that 2400 Baud modem jack!
:p

[avigalante]

Wow; people go to great lengths for these 'spy-shots'...

[mkoval11]

Why can't the person/s who's taking the photo's use a good digital camera and take a photo of all sides of the box including the Apple Label with the part number and specs. That would take care of this "Is it Real" or "It's a Fake" question once and for all. These photos look horrible and immediately eliminate any credibility.

We all like sneak peeks, but please don't waste our time. Thanks...

[orion123]

Right, because when you're shopping for a computer, you want the boring ports to be the prominently displayed part

[Kilamite]

Could easily be faked - if it were on an actual box then it'd be more plausible.

It is just one side, no proof this is even a box. Could just be laminated paper with some photoshop work..

[Airforcekid]

:apple:The iLife has a bulge behind it and the Mini appears to be off angle a bit so I think its fake. Like the idea of extra USB ports.:apple:

[mlemonds]

many times Mr. blurry cam is due to people trying to sneak a picture with their phone and when you try to take a photo quickly with a phone, results are terrible.

Does anyone know if apple currently cellophane wraps their mac minis? I know my macbook wasn't, but i think the time machines and apple tvs are (similar box size)

[SwiftLives]

Why can't the person/s who's taking the photo's use a good digital camera and take a photo of all sides of the box including the Apple Label with the part number and specs. That would take care of this "Is it Real" or "It's a Fake" question once and for all. These photos look horrible and immediately eliminate any credibility.

We all like sneak peeks, but please don't waste our time. Thanks...

Someone posts a spy shot of the product. People say it's fake because it only shows one side.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product. People say it's fake because they don't show the top and bottom.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product that includes the top and bottom, people say its fake because they didn't show it hooked up and running.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product that includes the top and bottom and demos it running while hooked up to a monitor, people say it's fake because it could easily be another computer running the monitor

All the while, people are saying how easy it is to fake these things.

Then said product is released with the exact specs in the videos and pictures.

And people talk abut how they defended it from the beginning.

That being said, this picture is fake.

[sears.d.charles]

:apple:The iLife has a bulge behind it and the Mini appears to be off angle a bit so I think its fake. Like the idea of extra USB ports.:apple:

I have to agree with this guy.... but i dont get y someone would go though all the trouble to make a fake mockup? its hard to say. I hope its real cuz I want a new mac mini to run my home theater instead of my stupid HP.

[gkarris]

LOL...

Apple doesn't put that type of pic on their boxes....

[Mac21ND]

Right, because when you're shopping for a computer, you want the boring ports to be the prominently displayed part

Awesome catch. Exactly right.

[Dagless]

Has a spy shot ever been taken with an SLR or, even at the very least, with a decent camera phone?

I can understand this being a sport for fakers out there to make realistic looking photos. But up the stake a bit and give us a sharp photo for once please ;)

[talkingfuture]

Definite fake. Still it makes the rumor business more fun with all these mock ups to look at.

[bwshockley]

Right, because when you're shopping for a computer, you want the boring ports to be the prominently displayed part


I think that's a pic of the nVidia chipset....

http://images.apple.com/macbook/images/graphics-chipicon20081014.jpg

[sears.d.charles]

Awesome catch. Exactly right.
Right, because when you're shopping for a computer, you want the boring ports to be the prominently displayed part

hahaha very nice. Didn't even think about that. It also looks its on photo paper with that gloss look to it? hmmmm FAKE.

[kornyboy]

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Meh. People will do what they can to create a reaction. I do hope to see a new mac mini soon.

[arkitect]

hahaha very nice. Didn't even think about that. It also looks its on photo paper with that gloss look to it? hmmmm FAKE.

The gloss is supposed to be the plastic wrap… I think… ;)
But, yes, fake it is.

[ArtOfWarfare]

Apple wouldn't choose an angle like that to use as an image for the top of the box. It's just absolutely hideous.

They'd probably use an image of the top of the Mac Mini for the top of the box. Maybe a shot of the front side. But definitely not one of the back. It makes as much sense as using an image of your rear end for your profile image on facebook or myspace.

They might show off the back side of the Mac Mini on the back or bottom of the box, along side a few bullet points quickly pointing out the specs in clear and non intimidating or jargon filled language.

[NC MacGuy]

Exactly what others think - since when are they going to focus on ports?

[Scottyk9]

Looks more like a retail display than product packaging.

[Willis]

Yeah, clear fake.. simple as

[xpla]

Someone posts a spy shot of the product. People say it's fake because it only shows one side.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product. People say it's fake because they don't show the top and bottom.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product that includes the top and bottom, people say its fake because they didn't show it hooked up and running.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product that includes the top and bottom and demos it running while hooked up to a monitor, people say it's fake because it could easily be another computer running the monitor

All the while, people are saying how easy it is to fake these things.

Then said product is released with the exact specs in the videos and pictures.

And people talk abut how they defended it from the beginning.

That being said, this picture is fake.

Thank you so much for your post! I LOVE IT!

[MaxiKana]

This is NOT fake.

There was an article about his on appleinsider just 5 minutes ago. Now it is gone. Apple lawyers?


EDIT: this was the URL: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/02/photo_may_show_next_gen_mac_mini_retail_box.html

EDIT: and here's a screencap of the site: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/77620/new%20mac%20mini.png

[Cerender]

Exactly what others think - since when are they going to focus on ports?

Since the back of the box? I don't know what the current mini box looks like though. I think the Airport extreme and Time capsule boxes are like that but I'm not sure of the mini.

I just want it to be real since I want a new mini with a Firewire 800 port.

My daughter really wants my my VM server off her computer. :o Someday we'll have some real hardware running OS X Server.

[plumbingandtech]

I think that's a pic of the nVidia chipset....

http://images.apple.com/macbook/images/graphics-chipicon20081014.jpg

Whoa. I have now changed my mind, I think this is the back of the box and the nvidia logo bwshockley linked to is in fact that logo and not a network port.

kudos to bwshockley!

[pavelbure]

Exactly what others think - since when are they going to focus on ports?

probably the back.

i will go on record now and say this is legit.

[twoodcc]

well this pic probably is fake, but i sure hope that the mac mini is updated very soon, like tomorrow

[NC MacGuy]

Since the back of the box? I don't know what the current mini box looks like though. I think the Airport extreme and Time capsule boxes are like that but I'm not sure of the mini.

I just want it to be real since I want a new mini with a Firewire 800 port.

My daughter really wants my my VM server off her computer. :o Someday we'll have some real hardware running OS X Server.

Maybe... This is old back:

[abhimat.gautam]

Right, because when you're shopping for a computer, you want the boring ports to be the prominently displayed part

Exactly what I thought. Apple would never do this. Their current box highlights the better looking side of the Mac mini:

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1516/store.apple.com/Catalog/regional/amr/macmini/img/overview-box.jpg

[wx4svr]

I think its a fake because its not Apple's "style" to revamp a product that hasn't been touched in forever and just leave it the way it is physically. Take for example the iMac.... if it went this long with out a refresh, and they suddenly decided to revamp it, you would see a whole new iMac... not the same one with just some new specs.

[wx4svr]

Maybe... This is old back:

I've got a current Mac Mini Box (about a year and a half old) and it shows the ports on the back. It also shows iLife (in my case, 08') Included, then next to that, a Core 2 Duo logo, then a Apple Remote. But, the current box does show the ports.

Another thing I just though of: The alleged box shows some kind of "wrapping" on it... Apple does NOT put wrap on its products for the most part. There are a few smaller products that they put that wrap on, but not the Mac Mini. Not saying it can't happen, but doesn't seem likely.

[dezeeb]

Look at the background of the pic.. looks like some kind of packing room (lots of cardboard boxes etc). When I got my Mini delivered it was in a brown-cardboard box suspended using polystyrene blocks.. Perhaps they've started boxing them up already :eek:

[bugfaceuk]

Right, because when you're shopping for a computer, you want the boring ports to be the prominently displayed part

Why of course, Apple always use the arse of their computers in their publicity shots. Why wouldn't customers be more interested in the number of USB ports than what it will actually look like on their desk.

Personally I am typing this e-mail from behind my MBP right now.

[Frump]

This is the real deal and is going to be released very, very soon. All you who called it fake will be eating pie very soon.:)

[iMacmatician]

This is the real deal and is going to be released very, very soon. All you who called it fake will be eating pie very soon.:)And if it isn't?

[NC MacGuy]

This is the real deal and is going to be released very, very soon. All you who called it fake will be eating pie very soon.:)

Or maybe buying a new Mini.;) Hope it is true but if the box is the back, no remote with the mini anymore?:eek:

[sn00pie]

As much as I hoped Apple would give us a new enclosure for the Mac Mini's from what the rumors and all these spy shots indicate, that will be unlikely.

Now that I think about it, Apple could keep the iMacs looking the same, just change them internally. This is interesting because the current iMac fits in with the Apple line-up quite well...the colours and aluminum match. The Mini fits in with the lineup as it is just fine, it's just severely underpowered.

So maybe we will just see hardware changes, but still the same looking machines? I think its very well possible.

[Warbrain]

I'll just peg this one as fake right now. I'll be patient and see what comes out of this.

[talkingfuture]

All the fakers are keeping the same form factors. I'd love to see one that took a new design direction.

[appledrone]

I reckon there is a good chance that this is real for the following reasons.

It does look to me like it is the back of a box wrapped in cellophane (which apple uses on time machines, apple tvs and aiprort etc so why not now?)

It does look like its in a some sort of packing room so if you don't want to get fired the best you could do would be to tale a quick pic with a camera phone - hence bad pic.

It is looking likely that apple haven't changed the actually shell of the mini so wont be releasing it with a bang, it'll just be a tuesday update on the applestore site.

Good chance it could end up being tomorrow

[Schtumple]

Why can't the person/s who's taking the photo's use a good digital camera and take a photo of all sides of the box including the Apple Label with the part number and specs. That would take care of this "Is it Real" or "It's a Fake" question once and for all. These photos look horrible and immediately eliminate any credibility.

We all like sneak peeks, but please don't waste our time. Thanks...

Because then it could be traced back to them?

Although I do agree, a good digital camera isn't exactly hard to buy these days, even mobiles cameras are pretty decent now...

Of note, why would Apple show the back end of the Mac Mini, none of their boxes do that (IIRC), so why start now?

[Kilamite]

Of note, why would Apple show the back end of the Mac Mini, none of their boxes do that (IIRC), so why start now?

So they can go "look bawbags, it has FireWire now shut yer hole".

[ZachsMacDaddy]

Or maybe buying a new Mini.;) Hope it is true but if the box is the back, no remote with the mini anymore?:eek:

They stopped with the laptops, so why not with the Mini too?

It's just another way to make some more money - start selling certain things as extras but don't change the price for the original item. ie: What used to cost $599 is now $599 + the cost of a remote.

And for the record, I think this is quite possibly the real deal. I doubted it when the images first came out, but with all that has been published about this mini, like the video, it seems very likely. I think this is just a shot of the back of the box.

[Schtumple]

So they can go "look bawbags, it has FireWire now shut yer hole".

Haha!

Turns out I was wrong, the current Mac Mini boxes do have the back of the Mini on the box, strange.

[benspratling]

The Mac Mini targets a different audience than a regular mac. Mac Mini owners would need to have a screen keyboard and mouse separately from the mac, so it makes sense that they are tech savy enough to know what the different ports are. By placing a picture of the ports on the back, they end forever questions like: "well does it have a PS/2 port for my keyboard?" or "is this the one with VGA, DVI or the new Mini Display port?" While it's true a retail employee or Mac Genius can answer these questions, you're printing the box anyway; you might as well make it informative, that cuts down on the number of staff you need to answer the same question over and over...

As to whether it's a fake or not, I have no idea, but some posters here have been saying it's "not an Apple thing to do" to have pictures of the ports. When you've got an iPod with only one port, it's ok not to have port pics, but a computer with ten ports or more really needs some details...

This suddenly reminds me of those pics of the new Apple keyboards that had the word "Command" on the keys, and everyone said "that's not how Apple does it," but I said "it would end all those questions from folks who didn't know where the command key is"

[Mr.B-UK]

Someone posts a spy shot of the product. People say it's fake because it only shows one side.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product. People say it's fake because they don't show the top and bottom.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product that includes the top and bottom, people say its fake because they didn't show it hooked up and running.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product that includes the top and bottom and demos it running while hooked up to a monitor, people say it's fake because it could easily be another computer running the monitor

All the while, people are saying how easy it is to fake these things.

Then said product is released with the exact specs in the videos and pictures.

And people talk abut how they defended it from the beginning.

That being said, this picture is fake.

:D Impressive post!

I will wait this 1 out.

[nerdish]

I was convinced with the first pic, then the video confirmed it for me, i hope this is true - not only so i dont look like an gullible idiot for believing - but because dual display support would be great, thats unless both outputs dont work at the same time, then apple can stick this mini where the sun doesnt shine!

[kastenbrust]

Why would they update the box, packaging etc without updating the new Mac Mini design itself?

Fake...

[NC MacGuy]

Why would they update the box, packaging etc without updating the new Mac Mini design itself?

Fake...

The external design isn't what needs updating, it's the guts that suck. Look how long the PowerBook lasted.

[SwiftLives]

We've seen a photograph of the product.

We've seen a video of the product.

Now we see a box of the product.

All show the same configuration.

How would you have faked each of these?

(And my original comment about this being fake was sarcasm. See!? I totally defended this from the beginning!)

[silverprl1]

The wood on the table is the same as what appeared to be the floor in the other pics and videos, so presumably it is from the same source as the others.

On a mini note... Apple has been placing FEWER ports on each new Mac recently. Why in the world would they put so many USB ports, while not using anything new ... like an eSATA port?

It is just someone who is getting off from all of the attention.

[Wingnut330]

Someone posts a spy shot of the product. People say it's fake because it only shows one side.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product. People say it's fake because they don't show the top and bottom.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product that includes the top and bottom, people say its fake because they didn't show it hooked up and running.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product that includes the top and bottom and demos it running while hooked up to a monitor, people say it's fake because it could easily be another computer running the monitor

All the while, people are saying how easy it is to fake these things.

Then said product is released with the exact specs in the videos and pictures.

And people talk abut how they defended it from the beginning.

That being said, this picture is fake.

Great post. It seems that folks are quick to call things fake. I often wonder what the motivation is for people to post fake stuff. Attention I guess.

[iMacmatician]

I'm once again moving towards "real." Hopefully for the last time.

[ogee]

Has a spy shot ever been taken with an SLR or, even at the very least, with a decent camera phone?


Somehow I doubt Apple would let a SLR into their DEV labs. Probably photo phones are not permitted, but they area lot easier to sneak in unnoticed than a f..king great big SLR.
:rolleyes:

[discomandavis]

nobody cared to point out that apple packaging is almost never shiny like that

[Tallest Skil]

nobody cared to point out that apple packaging is almost never shiny like that

Sure they did... in the other, larger, more established thread about this same topic.

[bgriggs]

If I had to guess, I'd say there is an easy explanation as to why certain items are shrink wrapped. Time machine, Apple TV, Mighty Mouse, batteries and such that are shrink wrapped sit on the retail shelf. This keeps people from opening them to take a peek.

With Apple putting a large emphasis on package size in the last few years, I wouldn't be surprised if the new mini box was small enough to store on retail shelf in volume.

[inkswamp]

Someone posts a spy shot of the product. People say it's fake because it only shows one side.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product. People say it's fake because they don't show the top and bottom.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product that includes the top and bottom, people say its fake because they didn't show it hooked up and running.

Someone posts a 360° video of the product that includes the top and bottom and demos it running while hooked up to a monitor, people say it's fake because it could easily be another computer running the monitor

All the while, people are saying how easy it is to fake these things.

Then said product is released with the exact specs in the videos and pictures.

And people talk abut how they defended it from the beginning.

That being said, this picture is fake.

Funny! :D

There are more reasons to doubt this than what you listed, but still, the critical issue in discussing these rumors is what one's opinion is based on. If it's based on the patterns we've seen with past rumors/fakes/products/etc., then it's a sensible opinion. If it's just based on what the person really, really, really wants, then it's another thing altogether. I've seen a lot of the latter with this Mini rumor.

I still say this "new" Mini is fishy, even now that we have more purported spy shots. None of this follows Apple's past behavior with updates and we've seen fakes in the past that were every bit as convincing. If it's true, I'll happily admit to being wrong, but at least I had reasons for saying it was wrong and not simply going along with an emotional reaction.

[kwiiboy]

Could easily be faked - if it were on an actual box then it'd be more plausible.

It is just one side, no proof this is even a box. Could just be laminated paper with some photoshop work..

Very true.....

[tonyl]

I don't think it is fake. From the previous photo and video, it is reasonable.

[Brien]

I was hoping it'd go to the lip design of Time Capsule/Airport Base Stations and hide the optical slot in the lip like some previous rumors had indicated. If this box is true, then it looks like the design of the mini will remain the same.

[brianbobcat]

One of the two pictures of the "new mini" is fake...maybe. EVERYthing is the same (ports, logo placement, power button, etc.) except for one large thing, Vent numbers. There's 10 in the original image and video, but this latest "box" spyshot only has 9. Literally everything else is the same down to the smallest detail of logo placement, but the vent discrepancy is a major one. Also, the current mini has 10, so if the box is real then the video and first picture may be a prototype using the same amount of vents or the PSer just used the current Mini vents with new ports. Hopefully we'll find out soon.

-Brian

[Wingnut330]

Sure they did... in the other, larger, more established thread about this same topic.

Normally I don't laugh at your posts, but this one made me chuckle!

[lpp71]

The wood on the table is the same as what appeared to be the floor in the other pics and videos, so presumably it is from the same source as the others.

On a mini note... Apple has been placing FEWER ports on each new Mac recently. Why in the world would they put so many USB ports, while not using anything new ... like an eSATA port?

It is just someone who is getting off from all of the attention.

Very true you have a good eye!

[fun173]

i think the bulge behind the ilife is because in is a picture of an ilife box. And someone brought up a point that this image looks like it was taken in a package room hence all the boxes and packaging equipment behind it so maybe an apple employee snapped this shot with their phone?

[fun173]

The wood on the table is the same as what appeared to be the floor in the other pics and videos, so presumably it is from the same source as the others.

On a mini note... Apple has been placing FEWER ports on each new Mac recently. Why in the world would they put so many USB ports, while not using anything new ... like an eSATA port?

It is just someone who is getting off from all of the attention.

There is no table in this picture.......

[trrosen]

Awesome catch. Exactly right.

Dude thats the back of the box...shows back of product...sorta makes sense.

Nothing about this indicates a fake

[lamina]

Looks real to me. This appears to be the same guy who posted the video. Note the hardwood floor.

[Palliser]

Yep its real. Nice.

[Wingnut330]

Well it's out now. Looks like the fake-sayers were wrong on this one.

[kupua]

Can't believe all these "Fake" doubters. You can't even see clearly with all the evidence from additional photo's, video's, box's and you still said fake. Yah, you guys alway are right....

[dasikes]

Totally fake!

[appledrone]

Where are all the fake callers now then?:(

rushing out to order the REAL new mini:cool:

[appledrone]

Totally fake!

i assume sarcasm on that one

[soundman23]

So all you doubters, not only were the leaks correct, the little beast now supports 4giga RAM.
I´m gonna buy one real soon

[farleysmaster]

This must be the 5 millionth thread I've which consists almost entirely of people passing off ill-informed opinon as fact. Why on earth do people say pictures are 'so clearly fake' when, as the evidence shows at the end, they've got absolutely no idea.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt."

[Luap]

This must be the 5 millionth thread I've which consists almost entirely of people passing off ill-informed opinon as fact. Why on earth do people say pictures are 'so clearly fake' when, as the evidence shows at the end, they've got absolutely no idea.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt."


Thats the way the MacRumors forums are these days. Whoever runs it practically encourages people to post crap, as MacRumors post crap themselves.
The existence of this thread is perhaps the best example of that.

[Kilamite]

This must be the 5 millionth thread I've which consists almost entirely of people passing off ill-informed opinon as fact. Why on earth do people say pictures are 'so clearly fake' when, as the evidence shows at the end, they've got absolutely no idea.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt."

Because over the years, there's been plenty of "could be" fakes posted.

You'd be saying the same thing if we all said "that's real" to every fake posted.

[G5isAlive]

Apple has announced the product. Its real. Who really cares what the box looks like? Honestly.

[Doug183]

100% indisputable no way in heck is that real. That fakester even went so far as to put one of those mockups in my Apple Store yesterday AND was able photoshop "About this Mac" describing the new innards of the mini. I could tell it was a fake in the store just by the smell of this machine. No mac computer smelled like that before. Man, what some people will not do just for the attention!

[farleysmaster]

Because over the years, there's been plenty of "could be" fakes posted.

You'd be saying the same thing if we all said "that's real" to every fake posted.

Yes, you are exactly right. I'm no more interested in reading dozens of people with no idea what they're talking about say "that's real" than them saying "that's fake".

[frimple]

So I've been wondering this for a while.... did the photoshop expert that used all kinds of crazy histograms and color comparisons (and little red lines) get fired or at least taken of the "photoshop expert" list?

sorry to resurrect an old thread

[robeddie]

So I've been wondering this for a while.... did the photoshop expert that used all kinds of crazy histograms and color comparisons (and little red lines) get fired or at least taken of the "photoshop expert" list?

sorry to resurrect an old thread

I've been thinking the same thing!

At least some kind of explanation or mea culpa from the so-called photoshop expert would be fun to read.

In fact, why don't one of these 'reporters' from these mac rumor sites follow up with the story and give us a 'de-brief' of the rumor, the expert opinions and where they went wrong.

THAT would be a good read. After all, we spent all this time on the front end (several WEEKS) speculating ... I think it would be worth at least one little article taking a look at all that went on 'in hindsight', including interviews a couple of those 'experts'.

[Anuba]

Because over the years, there's been plenty of "could be" fakes posted.

You'd be saying the same thing if we all said "that's real" to every fake posted.
95% of all fakes are range from quite obvious to blatantly obvious, though. It's a very rare occurence that fakes are good enough to pass for the real thing. Therefore it gets pretty lame when everyone pre-emptively cries "fake!" just to cover their asses. There should be a word for crying "fake!" at everything on web forums, it's one of the most popular hobbies on the planet these days. Spy shots of cars in development, leaked movie titles and scripts, scans of books... even crying "fake!" about various body parts on celebrities who actually never had them fixed.

The MacBook Air mockups were accurate, the Mac Mini photos were real, the iPhone 3G pictures were real, the leaked descriptions of the latest iPod Nano were real... they usually are, especially when they're coming from multiple sources.

What is it in human nature that makes it so shameful to fall for a hoax, that makes people go to great lengths to embarrass themselves even more by overanalyzing and dismissing the information, only to find out it was the real deal? Personally I'd rather be suckered by a hoax, than be the self-appointed expert who uses scientific methods and writes essays about why a picture is so obviously fake, only to be proven wrong and be exposed as the worst fake detective ever.

(The only thing that felt weird about the Mac one was the 5 USB ports. Considering how Apple are rather frugal on the USB front -- an iMac has 3 ports -- it felt rather unlikely that they would give you 5 USB ports on their entry-level machine.)

[Mr. Giver '94]

It's still ugly as hell...

[opeter]

It's still ugly as hell...

Ugly is your ass! I like the mini.