Thunderbird .5 (recent nightlies) now uses Kevin Gerich's P...

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Link: Thunderbird .5 (recent nightlies) now uses Kevin Gerich\'s Pinstripe theme. (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20040331214116)
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[bousozoku]

That's too bad that they're giving it a special identity. Firefox looked pretty good until they wanted it to look more like it belonged on Macintosh. :(

[SilvorX]

That's too bad that they're giving it a special identity. Firefox looked pretty good until they wanted it to look more like it belonged on Macintosh. :(
I've never been a fan of the qute theme when using macs, the qute theme looks awesome on windows and linux, but just doesnt seem to fit on mac since there's human interface guidelines, pinstripe is nice, but just not nice when everyone else copy cats it, it's nice to see different looks and feel to each different app, I dont even bother using camino anymore since it's basically a UI rip off of firefox but I do still use firefox. there will probably end up being some mac friendly themes for thunderbird anyways :)

I use the abstract theme on firefox and it gives me a mac-ish look and more original than the pinstripe-like themes, but thunderbird is starting to get up there

[pEZ]

Question: Which came first, Camino or Firefox?

I haven't done any research on either of them, but I have been a long-time user of Camino, since roughly September of 2002. Aren't Camino and Firefox both derivatives of the Mozilla project? And wasn't Camino started because of the aches and pains of IE on the Macintosh platform, and to bring a useable browser built in Cocoa to Mac OS X?

This is all in response to the comment that Camino's UI is a ripoff of Firefox...can something actually be called a ripoff if it is of the same core project and especially, if Camino was available on the Mac (back when it was known as the Chimera Project and the app itself was called "Navigator") before Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox was available on the Mac?

Anyway, that said, and back to the topic, I'm not a fan of how Thunderbird does not integrate with Mac OS X's Address Book. I like it better than the other programs out there, but I don't use Entourage for the same reason. Maybe I'm jumping the gun because I haven't tried the new Thunderbird builds in a while (the last I tried I believe it was at .3 or so).

At any rate, just my rambling opinions at the near midnight hour.

[macridah]

Question: Which came first, Camino or Firefox?

I haven't done any research on either of them, but I have been a long-time user of Camino, since roughly September of 2002. Aren't Camino and Firefox both derivatives of the Mozilla project? And wasn't Camino started because of the aches and pains of IE on the Macintosh platform, and to bring a useable browser built in Cocoa to Mac OS X?

This is all in response to the comment that Camino's UI is a ripoff of Firefox...can something actually be called a ripoff if it is of the same core project and especially, if Camino was available on the Mac (back when it was known as the Chimera Project and the app itself was called "Navigator") before Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox was available on the Mac?




I think camino came first. The firefox was originally called phoenix, then firebird, and finally ... firefox. The big difference between the 2 is that camino is OS X only, while firefox is available on multiple OS's.

Camino did have it's own style GUI and then copied the pinstripe firefox theme. It wouldn't call it a rip off, they both now follow the aqua theme of OS X. To me, firefox is faster and easier to use.

[bousozoku]

I've never been a fan of the qute theme when using macs, the qute theme looks awesome on windows and linux, but just doesnt seem to fit on mac since there's human interface guidelines, pinstripe is nice, but just not nice when everyone else copy cats it, it's nice to see different looks and feel to each different app, I dont even bother using camino anymore since it's basically a UI rip off of firefox but I do still use firefox. there will probably end up being some mac friendly themes for thunderbird anyways :)

I use the abstract theme on firefox and it gives me a mac-ish look and more original than the pinstripe-like themes, but thunderbird is starting to get up there

Apple bent the HIG to give us brushed metal and that's certainly a controversy. Anyway, I like the qute theme. Maybe, the whole system should use it--I'm tired of blue after 3 years.

pEZ:
Camino was much earlier than Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox. It grew from work to create a Mach-O backend for Mozilla on Mac OS X, not to use Cocoa.

[pEZ]

pEZ:
Camino was much earlier than Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox. It grew from work to create a Mach-O backend for Mozilla on Mac OS X, not to use Cocoa.

Thanks guys. Hopefully there will be a new Camino build out soon to try. I'm not quite sold on the speed of Firefox yet...and I don't really use any of the features that Safari or Camino don't already have. It'll be interesting to see them both at 1.0 - I hear a comparison article brewing.