Apple to Preview iPhone OS 3.0 on March 17th [Archive] - Page 3

thedarkhorse

Mar 12, 2009, 08:07 PM

- Longer-lasting battery
- Faster processors
- Increased memory
- A dedicated chip for flash support in Safari
- Adding a flash for the camera
- Adding a camera to the front of the device for video-chat
- Improved form-factor (thinner?)
- Better-sounding speaker(s)

Good thing you're not Apple's CEO or Head of Product Development. :-)

I meant at face value, not a whole lot will change with what you see on the phone other than the screen, and the camera. It's still gonna be a slab with a screen and a camera. It might be a thinner slab, it will obviously have newer faster components inside, but unless apple changes their idea about buttons and physical keyboards I doubt it will change a whole lot from what you see the iphone as today.
A change in case color/material might be a revolutionary bound for some apple fanatics, but to most people it will just be a new version of yesterday's iphone.

Ubuntu

Mar 12, 2009, 08:13 PM

I guess that makes me a fanboy:rolleyes:

Yup.

jonnysods

Mar 12, 2009, 08:16 PM

I really hope that the 3.0 includes an email preview feature and upcoming events on the first screen you get when you wake it up (the slide to unlock screen).

It sucks when you get tons of email notifications and you want to quickly see what it was or who it's from instead of having to go into the mail app all the time.

This should be pretty exciting! I can't wait to see the new iPhone!

inkswamp

Mar 12, 2009, 08:17 PM

Go anywhere, and many people are STILL hyped on the Pre.

Well, somehow I've managed to miss all these people hyped about the Pre. Guess I don't get out enough.

One of the things you have to keep in mind when it comes to hype about tech products is that there are two spheres to consider: consumer and geek. I've seen so many products stir a massive amount of interest in the geek sphere (yes, I'm looking at you Android G1) and not even make the slightest blip on the consumer radar (still looking at you Android G1.) That explains why the G1 had massive initial sales and then fell off rapidly. News is just breaking in the last few days that sellers of the G1 have slashed prices by up to half. It's not looking good. The geeks lined up to get their G1 and nobody else is interested. We saw the same thing with the Zune--lotta geek hype, nobody in the consumer sphere really cared.

For a product to succeed it has to have a lot of hype in the consumer sphere. When people who don't live in front of their computer 24/7 know about a product and have some interest in it, then it's going to sell. From what I've seen, there is next to no consumer hype for the Pre. A little bit of geek hype on the Web, but not much else.

skramsfan13

Mar 12, 2009, 08:24 PM

Just a preview on the 17th. To be honest I wish Apple would wait until the actual release of the firmware to reveal all of the secrets of what's to come. This is unlike Apple.:rolleyes:

Yeah! It's pretty stressing giving us a preview 3 months before release but hey, at least we know its coming:p

I am glad that Apple is giving us a preview but it will be disappointing if the new software has some hit actions:
MMS
Cut & Paste
Backround Apps
iLife Mobile
And More!
I am glad to hear that there will be a new iPhone now I have to get all ready and save my money!

Slurpy2k8

Mar 12, 2009, 08:24 PM

Please fix the text messaging app so it doesn't take 10 frikkin seconds to load.
Also, fix it so that I can actually reply to people without the send failing, instead of having to go back and create a new message manually, putting in the exact same #, just to respond to someone (well known bug).

I can think of a billion other improvements, but those are the most annoying quirks for me.

KindredMAC

Mar 12, 2009, 08:30 PM

I dated Jamie Solden.....she was a bi**h !!!!

Yeah well I married her and she left me on our honeymoon for the bartender on the cruise ship. Heard she's some where in Jamaica following his rasta band around the island with 4 kids in tow. God I can't stand that woman.

Commodore 64

Mar 12, 2009, 08:31 PM

SirROM, you probably got the most exciting prediction/wish/suggestion out of all the comments here! iWork for iPhone, now that´s something I´d like to see:)

But that would demand better hardware, right? And even if iWork isn´t what
it´s all leading up to, it has to be something major. Ok, what everyone is demanding here (MMS, copy/paste etc) are vital features, but they don´t really call for a ver3, do they, could easily be a ver2.2.2 or something (liked the idea though that this might as well be released next Friday for all we know).

But if the presentation on Tuesday is of some major change/adding that would need (or at least function well) with better hardware, how will Apple be able to present this without spilling that they are soon ready to release the next gen iPhone?

Ok, we all "know" they will ship it in June. (at least it seems that many in the forum knows this) But when giving specs on the SDK, won´t developers be able to nail what hardware the software is leading up to? I´m not a developer, I´m asking this... Wouldn´t they actually give out a lot just by showing some software/features?

So, are they actually going to reveal the next gen iPhone on Tuesday? ...something extra...?

...anyway, some are asking what the next iPhone will be called. My suggestion would be iPhonePhoto, because of the groundbreaking camera lens never seen in a cell phone before:) ...hoping, hoping...

...hm, if they´re asking developers to get ready for programming for other resolutions, I can see the excuse being that they will open up for apps being used as widgets on a computer. Or is this already possible?

koobcamuk

Mar 12, 2009, 08:41 PM

...anyway, some are asking what the next iPhone will be called. My suggestion would be iPhonePhoto, because of the groundbreaking camera lens never seen in a cell phone before:) ...hoping, hoping...

No way. It'll require a CCD sensor and it's too thin for that. It'd need 3x optical zoom and it's too thin for that. This is not a camera phone, matey. It's need to be 5MP or more to even begin to compete.

Apple has been working on this for a long time, i have a feeling its going to be incredible.

Copy and paste??? :rolleyes:

longball11

Mar 12, 2009, 08:44 PM

Apple have to hit a home-run with this one to knock it up another notch - BAM!

That is if they announce that they are moving to Verizon Wireless!

w00master

Mar 12, 2009, 08:44 PM

Havent seen a whole lot on here or any of the tech blogs I see, other than it appearing on fallon. I guess that makes me a fanboy:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: I didn't mean to imply that. Sorry if you thought I was.

Just go to Gizmodo for example:

http://i.gizmodo.com/5169081/unicorn-wishes-if-only-iphone-os-30-had-these-very-cool-things

Note the constant: "like the Pre."

Now, I'm NOT claiming that the Pre is going to be an iPhone killer. Heck, no one has actually USED it (outside of the peeps at Palm). I'm only commenting on the so-called "lack of hype." It is definitely there. Perhaps "only" amongst geeks and techies, but there's a clear interest in the device.

stagi

Mar 12, 2009, 08:45 PM

can't wait to see what 3.0 might bring, hopefully they will come out with some new features that will surprise us all

Masquerade

Mar 12, 2009, 08:47 PM

I was working in 2002 on a cruise as bartender when i meet Jamie Solden. The same night we had some sexz against the wine cellar. Afte that she told me that had some music biz in jamaica. Never see her again.
A month later a rasta man enter the ship as worker and told me that she had escaped from the island to Cuba under the Fidel Castri's pants during a reconciliacion visit.

bradhouse

Mar 12, 2009, 08:52 PM

No, MacFly has it wrong. Only select developers get beta builds of the OS. From previous experience, only developers accepting into the program before July 11, 2008 get seeded beta OS builds. I'm assuming 3.0 will be no different.

That would explain the differences between my two accounts. I have one from pre July 11 2008, and one from earlier this year. The early 08 account has access to the official beta OS forum, while my 09 account does not.

I guess I'll keep the 08 account around just in case :)

war eagle

Mar 12, 2009, 08:53 PM

What an awesome b-day!

Gonna be in PC for Spring Break and Apple media evenet!

iZac64

Mar 12, 2009, 08:59 PM

Me too :D :)

O.o Wow it's my birthday too! And St. Patricks day of course^^
I hope they don't make the iPod Touch 1G completey obsolete with this update..

goodwilldrums

Mar 12, 2009, 08:59 PM

Here's hoping Safari gets a find function. [crosses fingers]

Haven't you ever been looking for one word or phrase in a very long website?!

Shasterball

Mar 12, 2009, 08:59 PM

Yeah! It's pretty stressing giving us a preview 3 months before release but hey, at least we know its coming:p

I think you can handle it. :)

Compile 'em all

Mar 12, 2009, 09:00 PM

Here's hoping Safari gets a find function. [crosses fingers]

Haven't you ever been looking for one word or phrase in a very long website?!

This is much much needed.

Stuart in Oz

Mar 12, 2009, 09:04 PM

When people who don't live in front of their computer 24/7

Who are these people and how do they interact with others if not by computer? :confused:

KindredMAC

Mar 12, 2009, 09:13 PM

Here's hoping Safari gets a find function. [crosses fingers]

Haven't you ever been looking for one word or phrase in a very long website?!

oooooohhhh GOOD ONE!

frenchroast

Mar 12, 2009, 09:14 PM

I'm always wondering who rates potentially really good news with a negative click. 44 on the negative count regarding a 3.0 update. It should be like 0, for I assume no one thinks the current version is perfect.

joeshell383

Mar 12, 2009, 09:15 PM

BGR is reporting 3.0 will have:

* MMS
* Tethering via Bluetooth and USB

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/03/12/apple-iphone-30-os-event-march-17th-we-got-some-info/

I am NOT complaining at all, and very much look forward to these features, BUT isn't it a coincidence that these are both ones that will bring AT&T and the international wireless carriers more money? (The tethering ain't gonna be free...)

Lesser Evets

Mar 12, 2009, 09:20 PM

New iPhone 3.0 features

Mandatory upgrade or else your iPhone will not get a signal.
Breaks all jailbreaking techniques.
Breaks the future 2.2.1 Yell0w Sn0w update.
No longer able to crack apps.
New clock icon.

That would be awesome.

I liked this post.

Everyone else was asking for ludicrous things, hoping the new iPhone will be instant sex... this is probably one of the most realistic list of expectations to be posted in the past 600 whatever.

kenaustus

Mar 12, 2009, 09:27 PM

Personally I would like to see Apple letting approved apps add an auto data sync so your up to date with your Mac based app every time you sync. I use Bento to maintain medication and health information and it's a pain to update the iPhone using ASV touch via me.com.

I can see this feature as being helpful in getting Mac app developers to more tightly join the Mac & iPhone/touch.

Speaking of Bento, this is one app that should have a Bento demo on all new Macs sold and very tight syncing with the iPhone/touch simply because Apple owns FileMaker.

diamond.g

Mar 12, 2009, 09:29 PM

you must be new here.

Nope, just didn't see Arn specifically state he/macrumors was going to be there. The news is being reported from Gizmodo/Engadget.

kas23

Mar 12, 2009, 09:35 PM

I've seen so many products stir a massive amount of interest in the geek sphere (yes, I'm looking at you Android G1) and not even make the slightest blip on the consumer radar (still looking at you Android G1.) That explains why the G1 had massive initial sales and then fell off rapidly.

fwiw, I actually work in an ER serving a very-low income/medicaid inner-city population and I see MANY G1s. It seems everyone and their mother has one - and this is in an area where T-Mobile hasn't even rolled out the 3G yet. I observed this because people have nothing better to do in an ER besides wait and talk/play on their phones. Interestingly, I have only seen a few iPhones here and there. I do find it strange seeing a patient on medicaid pull out their iPhone.

kas23

Mar 12, 2009, 09:37 PM

I liked this post.

Everyone else was asking for ludicrous things, hoping the new iPhone will be instant sex... this is probably one of the most realistic list of expectations to be posted in the past 600 whatever.

I live that post too, but it's missing a critical line.

The enthusiastic statement: "And boy did we patent it!"

mrmarts

Mar 12, 2009, 09:38 PM

The question is this july i be only a year into my 2 year contract will the 3.0 software update be available for the iphone 3g and will it be free?

I hope that apple will make this software update available for the current iphone 3g, like when 2.0 was made available for the 1st gen model.

i can't be bothered to buy a phone every year i can stick it out for 2 years and than upgrade my handset when iam ready?

any clues if 3.0 will be only released for the next gen iphone or will it be made available for everyone even the 1st gen iphone.

skinnylegs

Mar 12, 2009, 09:45 PM

Personally, I'd like to see different themes but I suppose that's not very likely.

nefster

Mar 12, 2009, 09:49 PM

Okay, I finally decided to stop being a voyeur and join a discussion (this is my first ever post). I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm curious if anyone thinks there might be some synergy between the release of this OS and the rumors around the 'netbook'/ touch-screen tablet? My hope is that Apple has figured out a way to scale iPhone apps for use with the tablet which presumably would run this new OS. Maybe I'm dreaming here but this would be cool.

joemama

Mar 12, 2009, 09:53 PM

Please Apple:

-Copy Paste
-Video recording & iChat
-MMS
-Push
-BlueTooth A2DP

You nailed it, although there are a few more things I would add:

- Bluetooth MUST allow voice dialing. I still can't believe you can't do this on the iPhone. Welcome to 2004, Apple...
- Nike+ built in a-la the iPT
- Flash

While all these things would be nice, MMS and VA-dialing would push me over the edge to buy iphones for my wife and I. Until then, I'll stick with Verizon.

branjosef

Mar 12, 2009, 10:02 PM

Yeah I can't wait. I bet it will add better functionality to safari, break all jailbreaks, and offer bug fixes. I can't see anything else - knowing apple. HA!

Michael CM1

Mar 12, 2009, 10:05 PM

O.o Wow it's my birthday too! And St. Patricks day of course^^
I hope they don't make the iPod Touch 1G completey obsolete with this update..

I think there is a lot of fear for nothing about these devices being "obsolete" already. These OS/firmware versions aren't exactly the complicated software that the OS X iterations are. The hardware also isn't jumping at the rate that computer hardware does, namely the CPU and RAM are pretty much the same as they were in the first iPhone on day one.

iPod touch 1G users will probably have to pay another $10 for the upgrade, but it should still be available. iPhone users should get it for free because of all the money we give AT&T monthly.

lgoodlove

Mar 12, 2009, 10:08 PM

yes!

needs:
MMS and SMS in one app
Copy and Paste in a simple way

wants: dual processing chip support for future designs
new looks maybe themes? but o god :apple: would never do changeable themes... but steve jobs is gone...
performance or footprint reduction would be nice
backwards compatible to old phones

unavailable

Mar 12, 2009, 10:10 PM

I'm looking for
1. 3G tethering
2. copy and paste
3. multi tasking (although it might be kinda limited on current model)
4. turn by turn navigation
5. more input method for asia languages especially chinese
6. better apple apps (mail/sms/safari....)

SandynJosh

Mar 12, 2009, 10:12 PM

So does anything think we'll see iPhone 3 (WTH are they going to call the next one?) before WWDC?

I'm not sure what Apple may call the next iPhone, but I'm thinking the competition will call it the Ay-yi-yi Phone. :D

Ubuntu

Mar 12, 2009, 10:19 PM

New iPhone 3.0 features

Mandatory upgrade or else your iPhone will not get a signal.
Breaks all jailbreaking techniques.
Breaks the future 2.2.1 Yell0w Sn0w update.
No longer able to crack apps.
New clock icon.

That would be awesome.

I've noticed how you're opposed to jailbreaking, and I respect that, but why would all that matter to you? If you don't want to jailbreak, then you don't, and thats it. I don't see why others not being able to use their iPhones how they want would be awesome to you.

Evil, evil Spaz. :(

iParis

Mar 12, 2009, 10:20 PM

Hmm... I wonder what this will have.
Just somethings to throw out:
1) OS customization (actual background, five icon dock, etc); it seems unlikely but you never know if they change the SDK.
2) Copy/Paste
3) New Safari to make look somewhat similar to Safari 4.
4) Better battery life?
5) Faster OS.
6) ???
And somethings that should have already been here...
6) Push for 3rd party apps and all email.
7) 3rd party apps able to run in background.
8) ???

I bet that if they do preview it, they will not show everything that's new but some of the main really important features.

spencers

Mar 12, 2009, 10:22 PM

themes... but steve jobs is gone...

How the hell does that change anything?

vestigo74

Mar 12, 2009, 10:23 PM

My wish list:

- Copy/Paste
- Tethering
- Terminal with SSH (to connect to my Slicehost slice)

Give me that, and I will never jailbreak this thing again.

Ubuntu

Mar 12, 2009, 10:28 PM

I bet that if they do preview it, they will not show everything that's new but some of the main really important features.

"Introducing the world's thinnest Operating System."

BTW

Mar 12, 2009, 10:30 PM

Yeah! It's pretty stressing giving us a preview 3 months before release but hey, at least we know its coming:p

It would be nice to solicit beta testers. I'm sure every owner would be up for that. March 17th means only 3 months till release, how bad can it be at this point? Many releases have seemed like beta products.

i.mac

Mar 12, 2009, 10:40 PM

Oh what the heck...

Safari feels snapier already... Worth the update.

MattInOz

Mar 12, 2009, 10:40 PM

Does anyone remember a few months back, apple filed that patent about the new "locked screen"?

If they implement push notifactions, obv there are going to be more notifications, so the "locked screen" would start to get crammped, i.e. with text messages, missed calls, voice messages, IM's etc.

If I remember rightly, the plan was to give the "locked screen" some sort interactivity, so you can select on of the notifications and go straight to that app, i.e. an IM, text etc. obv after unlocking it.

That could be part of the update to the OS, that'd be pretty major and warrant the 3.0 status (along with push).

Just a thought

I remember that one as well. The thing is the lock screen almost replaces the home screen as where you want to go first up.

Although I can't fully remember if you slide to unlock before you can deal with one of the notes. It would be better is each note had it's own "slide to unlock" zone. slide one way to reply the other to dismiss or something.

I also hope the Note Screen gets a high contrast no backlight version that is always active. So you can see it without the need to push the home button.

So yep push is late, with some sort of hold up that proved more complex than they first thought. I hope they know it's important at this event to be up front about the delay. Maybe it required a few parallel features to come on line before it could really be deployed.

Like say a plug-in system for the push server so that a company didn't need to host the users information in order to take advantage of the push.

admanimal

Mar 12, 2009, 10:47 PM

It would be nice to solicit beta testers. I'm sure every owner would be up for that. March 17th means only 3 months till release, how bad can it be at this point? Many releases have seemed like beta products.

The beta firmware and SDK will almost certainly be seeded to developers, and that will probably be enough for Apple.

Masquerade

Mar 12, 2009, 10:58 PM

A friend of friend that i will name it mr. A to not violatr his nda policy, told me that iphone os 3 will be called "mobile os x"

mambodancer

Mar 12, 2009, 11:00 PM

This is much much needed.

Ummm... did you not know that it is already there? Type command-F and see what happens.

bretm

Mar 12, 2009, 11:02 PM

Slurpy2k8

Mar 12, 2009, 11:15 PM

A friend of friend that i will name it mr. A to not violatr his nda policy, told me that iphone os 3 will be called "mobile os x"

Sounds logical enough.

soundsgoodtome

Mar 12, 2009, 11:15 PM

Here's a compiled list of the most popular (and not-so-popular) features hoped for. It is, of course, not comprehensive, but interesting.

iPhone 3.0 software wish-list

MISC.
- copy + paste (between apps)
- video recording
- voice dialing
- support for MMS
- wireless sync with iTunes
- syncing of notes
- background apps/multitasking (may be hardware-dependent)
- push notifications
- automatic turn-by-turn navigation (perhaps w/voice)
- tethering
- search within all fields in contacts
- file storage/access/emailing (idisk and back-to-my-mac support)

BLUETOOTH
- support for stereo headphones
- support for wireless keyboards

EMAIL
- landscape keyboard
- consolidated email (see new mail from all accounts on one page)
- view email as threads
- mail search
- sort by sender, subject, date
- distribution lists (groups)
- ability to save a phone number from email to contacts w/o calling the number
- ability to email multiple photos

HOME PAGES
- a new way to categorize/organize apps
- a way to hide seldom-used apps

SAFARI
- flash
- open links in new tabs
- search for text in web pages

SMS
- landscape keyboard
- SMS forwarding
- custom SMS tones
- make all SMS tones loud (no soft ones for quick replies)
- disable triple SMS alert
- quick-text (text shortcuts)

Eric5h5

Mar 12, 2009, 11:24 PM

Ummm... did you not know that it is already there? Type command-F and see what happens.

Did you not know that this is obviously about the iPhone Safari? How are you going to "type command-F" on an iPhone?

--Eric

SirROM

Mar 12, 2009, 11:56 PM

MacFly123

Mar 12, 2009, 11:58 PM

Wait a minute. I'm a developer too - does that mean I'll get 3.0 before the masses, as well?? All developers?

Um, ya from what I understand. You get it because you will need to test your apps and code with it, and there will be a newer SDK too most likely.

I hope I get most of the new features with the 3.0 OS update on my iPhone 3G after the new iPhone comes out. I'm sure there will be at least a couple hardware features that will only be on the new iPhone in June and I am going to be pissed because I can't just upgrade whenever I want like everything else Apple I have because now there is a contract involved :(

Or can we upgrade our phone whenever we want with AT&T and is just costs more??? How does that work???

OneMike

Mar 13, 2009, 12:01 AM

I believe it will be available for all iphones

prasannagg

Mar 13, 2009, 12:18 AM

*sigh*

I don't want to get into a fight but I can't let it slip. I'd like to point you to all the other companies that release major firmware revisions for free such as Sony and Nokia.

It's just Apple making easy money.

I have used Nokia for ages.. never heard of a major software update, just bug fixes. Once you buy something, you are on your own.

asdavis10

Mar 13, 2009, 12:18 AM

Should Apple seed developers with a beta of the SDK on or shortly after the presentation on Tuesday, then we will know what hardware version 3.0 will support. And, of course, that will tell us what is possible with the software. Though I totally expect to have some ideas of that after watching the presentation. They will have to give away some secrets of possible hardware support during the presentation if this is to be a big event. Can't see the reasoning for a special event if its just to show off copy & paste or MMS as these are just software omissions in the current OS. This has to be a big update if they're forgoing the 2.x or 2.2.x numbering convention. I don't specifically think that they needed to move to version 3.0 just for the release of a 2009 model iPhone. Major additions to the OS, such as background processes (though I hope they don't implement this), new Apple applications (iWork mobile and wishfully iLife mobile), etc. would warrant moving to 3.0

Things I expect to be included in version 3.0:
MMS
SMS forwarding
copy & paste
tethering (USB and bluetooth)
new version of Safari
ability to use aliases in Mail
Nike+ support

Things I hope will be included in version 3.0:
turn-by-turn GPS
voice dialing
Flash support (with an option to turn it off)
Apple's delayed Push Notification Service (background processes drain battery life)

queshy

Mar 13, 2009, 12:20 AM

I want more STABILITY. The current OS feels like a cow sometimes.

queshy

Mar 13, 2009, 12:28 AM

720p video recording? Yeah, I'd say that would only be available on future hardware... much further into the future, with that. :rolleyes:

2086. Apple is very slow to adopt new standards like that!

Becordial

Mar 13, 2009, 12:31 AM

Oh what the heck...

Safari feels snapier already... Worth the update.

Lol... made me laugh :D

SocomDude23

Mar 13, 2009, 12:35 AM

Is Flash Player.
And If There Is Copy And Paste I Want To BeAble To Disable It.

TheSpaz

Mar 13, 2009, 12:36 AM

keep living with your iphone at 1/3 what it can be ..

And 3 times faster.

dyeung

Mar 13, 2009, 12:48 AM

for those that dont know. You can get those bookmarklets that enable you to 'find' 'scroll to end page' copy paste and 'open in new window'. Just google it most of them work pretty good

hNicolas

Mar 13, 2009, 12:50 AM

SAG3194

Mar 13, 2009, 12:59 AM

Do any of you think this will be beta tested by Beta testers who were accepted before the deadline?

soundsgoodtome

Mar 13, 2009, 01:00 AM

Here's one I did not see mentioned elsewhere:

How about a more complete transfer of Address Book information. I want to see names of family members, anniversary dates, etc without resorting to putting that stuff in the Notes field. I shouldn't HAVE to do that when there are already special fields for it.

Rant Off

Anniversary entry is already available on the iPhone:

Add Field > Date > Anniversary

EDIT: I misunderstood your original comment. I thought you wanted to *enter* these fields on the iPhone, but now I see you want to *view* fields that are entered in Address Book. My mistake. :-)

snowleopard48

Mar 13, 2009, 01:06 AM

I Say add some mac apps to 3.0 like iWork & iLife:rolleyes:

Still, Cut & Paste would be nice, but in what app? and how would they add it to the iPhone UI?

I hope 3.0 is for iPod touch too...:rolleyes:

jnguyen4

Mar 13, 2009, 01:15 AM

Badandy

Mar 13, 2009, 01:22 AM

Still, Cut & Paste would be nice, but in what app?

Mail? Safari? Hell, even the ability to highlight a couple lines of text so I can get rid of a bunch of words with one 'backspace' keystroke would be helpful.

and how would they add it to the iPhone UI?

Multi-touch gestures, multi-tasking, notification areas.

A Pre. What's that? Do you have one that you could show me?

We were hyping the iPhone 6 months before it came out. The Pre is within 3 months of launch and there have been loads of test units that have been reviewed by gadget blogs all over the internet. I understand you were just trying to be a smart***, but it wasn't clever or substantial.

asdavis10

Mar 13, 2009, 01:22 AM

dood why would u want iwork on a small screen? Creating spreadsheets?

Same reason why there's Office Mobile on WinMo phones. You at least have the option. Only seems like a logical move for Apple to include this if they are truly going to make the iPhone a productivity device.

politik

Mar 13, 2009, 01:24 AM

Apple basically made WebOS.
- The entire design was lifted from the iPhone. From the application dock for commonly used apps, to the tab switching screen, right down to the delete icon on the dialer.
- The only native part of the software is the browser, and guess which engine they're using - that's right, Apple's own WebKit!

Palm actually contributed very little to WebOS. They didn't create the engine (the kernel, if you like), and they didn't even design it themselves. They made some hardware that could run Apple's browser, then made a web version of the iPhone. Oh, and while I'm mentioning the hardware - it looks like the Pre has a plastic screen. Didn't Apple try that, find that it scratched too easily, and decide on glass instead?

And what on Earth are you talking about Apple needing a next-gen OS? The iPhone OS is superior to any other mobile OS today IMO. It's quick and easy and creative and intuitive in use. It redefined smartphones and nobody's quite caught up. I can't think of a single mobile OS I'd rather have on my device.
And Apple started WebKit with code from the KHTML linux project, so your argument is invalid.

asdavis10

Mar 13, 2009, 01:30 AM

We were hyping the iPhone 6 months before it came out. The Pre is within 3 months of launch and there have been loads of test units that have been reviewed by gadget blogs all over the internet. I understand you were just trying to be a smart***, but it wasn't clever or substantial.

Really wasn't trying to be clever or substantial. akula34 was saying that the list of features that soundsgoodtome has listed could already be found in the Pre even though the Pre hasn't launched yet. So it's full feature set has yet to be determined. But I guess you missed the point.

RonCarr

Mar 13, 2009, 01:32 AM

A friend of friend that i will name it mr. A to not violatr his nda policy, told me that iphone os 3 will be called "mobile os x"

This would be an odd move considering Steve stated before that this in NOT a mobile version of OS X it is FULL OS X with a different interface. And they made it clear last year that it was OS X Mac and OS X iPhone.

Badandy

Mar 13, 2009, 01:33 AM

Really wasn't trying to be clever or substantial. akula34 was saying that the list of features that soundsgoodtome has listed could already be found in the Pre even though the Pre hasn't launched yet. So it's full feature set has yet to be determined. But I guess you missed the point.

I apologize, I didn't see the context.

SocomDude23

Mar 13, 2009, 01:37 AM

Every1 Where I Live HAs The Lg Keybo

MattInOz

Mar 13, 2009, 01:43 AM

dood why would u want iwork on a small screen? Creating spreadsheets?

Maybe creating them, but if you had some set up you'd like to add data to on the move, like a budget tracker (so you don't have to sync app data to iWork data) then iWork on the phone would be very useful.

Mr. Giver '94

Mar 13, 2009, 01:59 AM

Does anyone remember a few months back, apple filed that patent about the new "locked screen"?

If they implement push notifactions, obv there are going to be more notifications, so the "locked screen" would start to get crammped, i.e. with text messages, missed calls, voice messages, IM's etc.

If I remember rightly, the plan was to give the "locked screen" some sort interactivity, so you can select on of the notifications and go straight to that app, i.e. an IM, text etc. obv after unlocking it.

That could be part of the update to the OS, that'd be pretty major and warrant the 3.0 status (along with push).

Just a thought

Yes. I do remember and I actually hope something along these lines is included. It would be so nice to have the notifications on the lock screen. I'm imagining it to be something kind of like what we've seen on JB iPhones except a more polished Apple-esque look. :)

What about home screen design? Do you think that layout/look will stay the same? I think it may be time for them to refresh it with a similar look but enough difference to make it look 'spiffy.'

dicklacara

Mar 13, 2009, 02:10 AM

Same as last time or did I miss something?

Everyone keeps calling it the 4G which pisses me off for some reason, it really shouldn't. I think iPhone 3 makes sense, but they won't do that because it will get confused with the iPhone 3G. I'm thinking they will give it a specific name or iPhone 3g 2

Well, whatever! Looks like I will need to update my crystal-clear sig.

joejoejoe

Mar 13, 2009, 02:12 AM

RonCarr

Mar 13, 2009, 02:15 AM

mrklaw

Mar 13, 2009, 03:10 AM

inkswamp

Mar 13, 2009, 03:12 AM

fwiw, I actually work in an ER serving a very-low income/medicaid inner-city population and I see MANY G1s. It seems everyone and their mother has one - and this is in an area where T-Mobile hasn't even rolled out the 3G yet. I observed this because people have nothing better to do in an ER besides wait and talk/play on their phones. Interestingly, I have only seen a few iPhones here and there. I do find it strange seeing a patient on medicaid pull out their iPhone.

In my immediate circle of friends and colleagues, there are at least 2 dozen iPhones owners (several who hate Macs, amusingly enough) and as many openly contemplating getting an iPhone. Not only do I not know anyone who owns a G1, but I've never been asked by anyone about them nor have I heard people talking about them. They just don't exist from my perspective.

Now, I realize that, like your post, is anecdotal, but you do have to question the ongoing price slashing of the G1. That's not a good sign.

dant19

Mar 13, 2009, 03:20 AM

Yes. I do remember and I actually hope something along these lines is included. It would be so nice to have the notifications on the lock screen. I'm imagining it to be something kind of like what we've seen on JB iPhones except a more polished Apple-esque look. :)

What about home screen design? Do you think that layout/look will stay the same? I think it may be time for them to refresh it with a similar look but enough difference to make it look 'spiffy.'

Now that you mention it, I did see that a few of the jailbroken phones had changed their home screen to look like the ipod touch, with the refelctive dock. That actually looked really nice. So yes, definantly with you on that one. Can't be too diffiuclt to implement either, they already have all the required sources, so would surely only be a case of making it a menu option. Glass dock or Metal grate :)

dant19

Mar 13, 2009, 03:34 AM

I want a completely customisable home page. With the app store, people will have icons spread across multiple pages, so let us choose how many to have on the home page.

Personally I'd like to get rid of most icons and have my wallpaper there, unobstructed. A quick flick of my finger brings up my apps. The four icons at the bottom are always there for essentials, which I'd like to be able to customise more to any app.

Maybe allow ical events/new unread email/texts to appear on the homescreen too - adjustable widgets like any normal web 2.0 page.

I'm not certain I understand what you mean in your first paragraph? You want a wallpaper on the home screen and no icons? Can you not do that already, with the locked screen? And you can customize the number of icons on the home page, unless you mean get rid of the default apple ones?

I am however totally with you on the ical notifications. It would be great if you could tick a box or whatever, that allowed all of your events for that day to be displayed in the morning, surely wouldnt be too dificult to implement. But for single events, you can make them appear at on the home screen, 5mins b4, 10 mins etc. Though it is annoying having it beep at you, just to appear would be nice.

Apologies if I have misunderstood what you siad on anything.

dazcox5181

Mar 13, 2009, 03:39 AM

sjo

Mar 13, 2009, 03:48 AM

This would be an odd move considering Steve stated before that this in NOT a mobile version of OS X it is FULL OS X with a different interface. And they made it clear last year that it was OS X Mac and OS X iPhone.

i don't think anyone has ever called iphone os "full os x". that would have been an outright lie. if we had "full os x" there would not be need for separate sdk's. the osx programs would run on iphone after a simple recompilation, some might need a little ui touch up to enhance the user experience on small touch display, but that's all.

Eso

Mar 13, 2009, 03:50 AM

this in NOT a mobile version of OS X it is FULL OS X with a different interface.

I'm really hoping this is not the case for 3.0. As great as the UI is, the OS is just so bloated for a mobile device. Why do you need a full-blown OS on a mobile phone; how much RAM and processing power does it use just so the iPhone looks pretty? I groan everytime I am doing nothing but using the iPod and there is a good 3 second lag switching screens from currently playing to current playlist to all playlists. Then there's the inexplicable lag in the SMS app. And you can just forget about holding the backspace key to delete text unless you want it to delete everything you've typed - or you just like to amuse yourself at guessing where the cursor will finally stop.

diogodasilva

Mar 13, 2009, 04:00 AM

FLASHHHHH

and...

another hole for YS injection...

wizard

Mar 13, 2009, 04:15 AM

What was the name of that company Apple bought "xxx Semi" I think. I'm thinking that Apple may be making some muti-core ARM chips from use in phone and other tablet devices. Other devices like the one that will use those 10 ich screen Apple just ordered.)

I'm not sure iPhone is special enough to warrant a special Apple chip when there are so many optimized cell phone chips on the market already. Hard to tell honestly but iPhone needs very high performance, high volume chips that are cost controlled. Then again the current Samsung chip has an Apple part number on it.

I do belive the larger iPod devices will use that custom PA Semi chip though. I used the plural form here because I expect multiple devices in the coming year. I say iPod devices because I see that as Apples ARM based family. None of this prevents an Atom based notebook, but that will be Mac OS/X based.

Once you get more powerfull processors, that still use little power then you can have true multi tasking and you no longer need push notifacations. Although "push" is always smarter than polling.

IPhone needs more RAM, it is the devices greatest short coming.

As to push that technology will always remain valid! It is not however the solution to every problem. Multitasking of apps is still needed and important in it's own right. The point is the technologies solve two different issues.

For years I've always thought "asymetric" multi-core would be a good idea. That means one processor core is very powerfull and the second one quite small. You then power the cores up and down as best fits the demand.

Look around it is only months away and is called OpenCL. Along with other multitasking improvements you will get very similar results to what you describe here. The GPU cores and the CPU cores each accel at different problems.

I've only actually used one computer that had different kinds of cores mixed in the same box. It was a 40 year old CDC mainframe. It worked well we had 20 small 12-bit processors and 2 big number cruncher processors. Just waiting for this 1960's vintage ideas to be re-used in a cell phone.

Think about OpenCL and see if the concept isnt close.

Most people here are asking for user-facing GUI features in 3.0 but I'm guessing 3.0 will like Snow Leopard be mostly aimed at developers. With features like Grand Central and Open ML that let developers make use of asymmetric multiprocessing

It will be interesting to say the least. I can't imagine Apple coming out with a version three OS, for iPhone, and not adding a lot of user features. As good as iPhone is there are many thin spots be it current apps or missing functionality. Honestly I'm not bothered by what is missing as much as some, I'd rather see E-Mail and Safari improved significantly. And syncing of more of the existing apps.

Dave

sunfast

Mar 13, 2009, 04:41 AM

I'm sure this can't be as big a deal as OS 1.0 to OS 2.0 - the iPhone completely changed between those two.

But imagine if it was! :eek:

MattInOz

Mar 13, 2009, 04:48 AM

if they're putting out a new SDK, that probably means its because there's going to be a resolution change, so this new 3.0 will most likely only work with the next iPhone.

New SDK makes me think it won't work with this iPhone

Resolution changes don't mean old device get ruled out.
Developers would build for the base format then would have options about how they use the extra space. If it's bigger screen they may have a bigger layout if it's a higher density then same layout but maybe smaller font options.

Developers already have two layout they can one, the other or both. What's a few more.

iSamurai

Mar 13, 2009, 04:48 AM

it'd be really d1ck if apple doesn't allow 3.0 to be installed on the 1st generation iphone... (but it'd be time to upgrade anyway) :p

Bobajobbob

Mar 13, 2009, 05:04 AM

GUi Improvements, folders, better app/icon management, lock screen info
iChat Video, camera on front. iChat video over wifi. Only over wifi.
Improved camera/video
iChat push notifications finally
Multitasking
Improved SMS and Mail (NO MMS, there will never be MMS, it sucks, always has, always will)
Improved maps, turn by turn

One more thing
Copy and Paste

rez07

Mar 13, 2009, 05:11 AM

IPhone needs more RAM, it is the devices greatest short coming.

That is false. For a efficient mobile OS, like Symbian (s60 or UIQ), 128mb is plenty of RAM. They boot with more than double the free RAM of the iphone, available for 3rd party apps...just has an example, with the same 128mb, the n95 8Gb from nokia boots with more than 80mb of free RAM vs the iphone with around 40. And no, the n95 8gb is not slow with 3rd party apps on the background, and the battery life is way better than the iphone´s

Problem is, you (mainly americans) keep comparing the Iphone OS with crap like Windows Mobile, instead of comparing it with Symbian

In reality, the short coming is the Iphone OS itself. Make it more efficient, and the current hardware is more than capable.

t0mat0

Mar 13, 2009, 05:24 AM

Who here thinks we're going to see some 10.6 features in parallel?
Would Apple really based v3 ipHone on Leopard, rather than there upcoming OS?
With the potential for a Netbook coming soon, i'd say they have a hybrid version on their hands, relating to snow leopard, allowing some of the features to flow all the way to the iPhone and Touch.

i0Nic

Mar 13, 2009, 05:27 AM

I want the next iPhone to be the palm
Pre with itunes support and the app store.

Mercury7

Mar 13, 2009, 06:02 AM

it'd be really d1ck if apple doesn't allow 3.0 to be installed on the 1st generation iphone... (but it'd be time to upgrade anyway) :p

Backwards compatibility is not always a good thing, It is one of the main reasons microsoft windows os sucks so bad. To innovate you have to learn to let go of the past.

plus It could be argued that a cellphone device is designed to have a 2yr life span...so normally the 1st gen iphone would be headed to the recycle bin, more likely though they will just be jailbroken and handed down to the kids to use as an ipod touch.

it is interesting to witness the computer/phone merger....at somepoint in the near future phones will start to affect notebook sales

buckyballs

Mar 13, 2009, 06:09 AM

Would Apple really based v3 ipHone on Leopard, rather than there upcoming OS?

Apple TV still runs on Tiger...

Also, it appears that the improvements in 10.6 are geared towards the computer.

64-bit - no need for a phone
Quicktime X - brings features already in the iPhone to the computer
Enterprise support - already in the iPhone
Multicore support - possibly, but may be ported backwards to "Leopard"

mrklaw

Mar 13, 2009, 06:16 AM

I'm not certain I understand what you mean in your first paragraph? You want a wallpaper on the home screen and no icons? Can you not do that already, with the locked screen? And you can customize the number of icons on the home page, unless you mean get rid of the default apple ones?

I am however totally with you on the ical notifications. It would be great if you could tick a box or whatever, that allowed all of your events for that day to be displayed in the morning, surely wouldnt be too dificult to implement. But for single events, you can make them appear at on the home screen, 5mins b4, 10 mins etc. Though it is annoying having it beep at you, just to appear would be nice.

Apologies if I have misunderstood what you siad on anything.

I'd prefer it not on the locked screen, but the main active home screen. I'm only on the locked screen to unlock it.

and upcoming calendar events is useful to have before the alarms go off, just so you can have a quick glance in the morning of whats coming up, or now and then check. I have that on my nokia phone and its very useful. RSS feed of the news headlines would be good too.

toph101

Mar 13, 2009, 06:21 AM

Text message forwarding!!!!!

A phone that cannot forward text messages is just ridiculous!

Toph.

*LTD*

Mar 13, 2009, 06:26 AM

I want the next iPhone to be the palm
Pre with itunes support and the app store.

So when will this Palm Pre be released? It's already pretty much mid-March.

Or is this vapourware just glorified takeover bait . . .

dant19

Mar 13, 2009, 06:29 AM

I'd prefer it not on the locked screen, but the main active home screen. I'm only on the locked screen to unlock it.

and upcoming calendar events is useful to have before the alarms go off, just so you can have a quick glance in the morning of whats coming up, or now and then check. I have that on my nokia phone and its very useful. RSS feed of the news headlines would be good too.

I like the RSS feed idea. The locked/home screen has so much potential.

So you want the notifactions to stay on the home screen? So like divide the home screen in half, notifactions on the top, apps on the botton?

michael.lauden

Mar 13, 2009, 06:29 AM

iPhone 3.0 - Job Security for the Dev Team

mccldwll

Mar 13, 2009, 06:32 AM

Backwards compatibility is not always a good thing, It is one of the main reasons microsoft windows os sucks so bad. To innovate you have to learn to let go of the past.

plus It could be argued that a cellphone device is designed to have a 2yr life span...so normally the 1st gen iphone would be headed to the recycle bin, more likely though they will just be jailbroken and handed down to the kids to use as an ipod touch.

it is interesting to witness the computer/phone merger....at somepoint in the near future phones will start to affect notebook sales

The originally announced reason for subscription accounting was to satisfy GAAP requirements for promised system/feature upgrades over (at least) 24 month useful lifetime. The original iPhones were sold through last spring so still have another year to go on those, unless apple plans to have two different operating systems out there for next 15 months (and even that would be a PR nightmare). My bet is 3.0 will be fully compatible, but like 2.0 and 3G iPhones (GPS), there probably will be some hardware features that 3.0 supports that original iPhones lack.

mccldwll

Mar 13, 2009, 06:38 AM

S

Or is this vapourware just glorified takeover bait . . .

Takeover bait. Elevation Partners doubled down to rescue original investment, and now is offering half it's latest buy (which has doubled). Original $$ will still be at risk, but Palm still afloat, and claims it will be able to walk on water by July. They want a buyer.

Masquerade

Mar 13, 2009, 06:42 AM

Dont tell anybody.
Accordding mr A the keyboard can be replaced with
A new panel called Text.
A wheel to select or drive the cursor within the text
and buttons to initiate select, for copy and paste.
A gesture will fake the wheel control for selecting non editable text areas.

Ok a bonus: up to 3 widgets on lockscreen

Dontbexpect to be true

theGAPkid

Mar 13, 2009, 06:43 AM

Call me wierd, but there is one thing that I always wish Apple had implemented, and that was a choice as to what "kind" of Keyboard you have.

i.e. On the Tocco and Viewty, despite being touch screen, you can still punch out texts in the conventional way.

Whilst I appreciate that the iPhone can write texts at a much faster speed using qwerty, I personally would prefer "predictive texting" in the traditional manner (If given the choice) numbers 1-9, abc, def, etc.

Airforcekid

Mar 13, 2009, 06:47 AM

I wonder if the 3.0 will only suport the next gen iPhone and the last two just sorta emulate it?

Airforcekid

Mar 13, 2009, 06:52 AM

Themes! At Least A Wallpaper For The Springboard!

Jayomat

Mar 13, 2009, 07:00 AM

Whilst I appreciate that the iPhone can write texts at a much faster speed using qwerty, I personally would prefer "predictive texting" in the traditional manner (If given the choice) numbers 1-9, abc, def, etc.

this is a good idea. then they could make the virtual buttons bigger => easier to hit => faster to write

talkingfuture

Mar 13, 2009, 07:04 AM

Anyone else notice that is event will make it major Apple news 4 weeks in a row, we've had:

Safari Beta

New Macs

New Shuffle

iPhone OS 3.0 event

Didn't something similar happen last year around Late Jan/Early February where we had 4 or 5 weeks of announcements in a row?

Chupa Chupa

Mar 13, 2009, 07:11 AM

Backwards compatibility is not always a good thing, It is one of the main reasons microsoft windows os sucks so bad. To innovate you have to learn to let go of the past.

plus It could be argued that a cellphone device is designed to have a 2yr life span...so normally the 1st gen iphone would be headed to the recycle bin, more likely though they will just be jailbroken and handed down to the kids to use as an ipod touch.

it is interesting to witness the computer/phone merger....at somepoint in the near future phones will start to affect notebook sales

Not only that but iPhone 2G owners are the early adopters here. When in history have we not been steamrolled. It comes with the territory and we know it's part of the deal for having the latest first. I have a 2G phone myself and if it turns out 3.0 will not work completely, or at all, on it AND 3.0 has some cool new "gotta have" features I'm in, no question. Otherwise I'll just continue to use my 2G, contract free. That's hardly a raw deal. Frankly I consider the 2.0 upgrade a nice "bonus" to the 1.0 s/w phone I bought.

But bottom line 2G owners have no basis to complain. The release of 3.0 will not "break" their phone. Owners can continue to use it, jailbreak it, unlock it, sell it, use it as a Touch, a VoiP phone, whatever. Any 2G owner that starts screaming if 3.0 doesn't work might as well wear a shirt that says "I'm a self-entitled brat." Feature improvements wait for no one.

GeekGuys

Mar 13, 2009, 07:27 AM

Maybe it will support the new 10" tablet device. Maybe this device will allow the new iPhone to slot into the tablet and run as the power to drive the new screen?

theGAPkid

Mar 13, 2009, 07:30 AM

this is a good idea. then they could make the virtual buttons bigger => easier to hit => faster to write

Exactly. Sometimes when I get carried away at present, I can look down and realise Ive missed out spaces for pretty much the whole text :p perhaps I just need more practice, but yeah, thats one of my main wishes :apple:

mcmadhatter

Mar 13, 2009, 07:36 AM

dant19

Mar 13, 2009, 07:53 AM

Not only that but iPhone 2G owners are the early adopters here. When in history have we not been steamrolled. It comes with the territory and we know it's part of the deal for having the latest first. I have a 2G phone myself and if it turns out 3.0 will not work completely, or at all, on it AND 3.0 has some cool new "gotta have" features I'm in, no question. Otherwise I'll just continue to use my 2G, contract free. That's hardly a raw deal. Frankly I consider the 2.0 upgrade a nice "bonus" to the 1.0 s/w phone I bought.

But bottom line 2G owners have no basis to complain. The release of 3.0 will not "break" their phone. Owners can continue to use it, jailbreak it, unlock it, sell it, use it as a Touch, a VoiP phone, whatever. Any 2G owner that starts screaming if 3.0 doesn't work might as well wear a shirt that says "I'm a self-entitled brat." Feature improvements wait for no one.

here here

Though we all know the amount of rage deposited on the forum will be immense if that is the case!!

overcast

Mar 13, 2009, 07:56 AM

No other (mobile) company would support major new features on a 2 year old phone, so I doubt apple will be much different. I'm hoping they bring out a new phone for June/July as that is when my current non iPhone contract runs out.

Contract doesn't mean anything for the iphone, we were all able to upgrade our 2G to 3G phones without issue. The 2 year contract just gets restarted.

MistaBungle

Mar 13, 2009, 08:04 AM

Maybe it will support the new 10" tablet device. Maybe this device will allow the new iPhone to slot into the tablet and run as the power to drive the new screen?

I just find this silly. Why would an iPhone be the powering device for a larger screen? I'm not killing my battery just so I have access to a bigger screen. Dedicated, user-swappable battery!

But I'm really torn between selling my phone and then upgrading to the new iPhone (if it comes out....:rolleyes: ). Like I've preserved the baseband and such so it does have increased value over the new stock models.

Options that I would like:
-copy and paste
-text forwarding
-text message sound customization (ringtone, why not this?)
-ability to hide icons (sbsettings is amazing, and I use it but wouldnt having apple do it make it better?)

Decisions, decisions.

mccldwll

Mar 13, 2009, 08:07 AM

Contract doesn't mean anything for the iphone, we were all able to upgrade our 2G to 3G phones without issue. The 2 year contract just gets restarted.

Not so fast. Original iPhones were purchased at full price with some monthly subsidies from T. 3G was subsidized, w/ big $$ going up front to apple. It may turn into one of those "eligible for upgrade" situations, with variable pricing depending how long ago 3G purchased. But no point in worrying about it yet.

mccldwll

Mar 13, 2009, 08:17 AM

But bottom line 2G owners have no basis to complain. The release of 3.0 will not "break" their phone. Owners can continue to use it, jailbreak it, unlock it, sell it, use it as a Touch, a VoiP phone, whatever. Any 2G owner that starts screaming if 3.0 doesn't work might as well wear a shirt that says "I'm a self-entitled brat." Feature improvements wait for no one.

2G phones were sold as a platform with the promise of upgrades/feature improvements. Sort of like a looseleaf service, with occasional updates. A two year term from purchase as late as June '08. 2G owners will have no right to complain about hardware features/improvements, but software/application updates should be able to run on 2G--either 3.0 inself, or an emulation.

sunfast

Mar 13, 2009, 08:28 AM

it is interesting to witness the computer/phone merger....at somepoint in the near future phones will start to affect notebook sales

This will indeed be interesting to see. For me I'm already at this point. My current computer is an original MacBook which I got because I liked the portability. For my limited mobile tasks - music, video, web, email - my iPhone is more than capable.

There are a few things I'd miss but it's got to the stage where I'd go iMac + iPhone rather than a notebook now.

cnorth3

Mar 13, 2009, 08:33 AM

But bottom line 2G owners have no basis to complain. The release of 3.0 will not "break" their phone. Owners can continue to use it, jailbreak it, unlock it, sell it, use it as a Touch, a VoiP phone, whatever. Any 2G owner that starts screaming if 3.0 doesn't work might as well wear a shirt that says "I'm a self-entitled brat." Feature improvements wait for no one.
My 13-year-old will think he's died and gone to heaven if I "repurpose" my 2G as a touch for him. :D Here's to hoping that Apple releases some new hardware that "forces" me to do it!

TheSpaz

Mar 13, 2009, 08:36 AM

I'm really hoping this is not the case for 3.0. As great as the UI is, the OS is just so bloated for a mobile device. Why do you need a full-blown OS on a mobile phone; how much RAM and processing power does it use just so the iPhone looks pretty? I groan everytime I am doing nothing but using the iPod and there is a good 3 second lag switching screens from currently playing to current playlist to all playlists. Then there's the inexplicable lag in the SMS app. And you can just forget about holding the backspace key to delete text unless you want it to delete everything you've typed - or you just like to amuse yourself at guessing where the cursor will finally stop.

I hate the backspace key bug. It happens mostly when I'm posting on MacRumors, I'll press it for just a second and suddenly it goes on a deleting rampage and erases half of my message. I hate starting over. Grrrrrr.

MistaBungle

Mar 13, 2009, 08:52 AM

Luckily I've yet to experience that bug, but the lag in SMS is painful.

TheSpaz

Mar 13, 2009, 08:58 AM

Luckily I've yet to experience that bug, but the lag in SMS is painful.

Just hold delete for about a second and it will keep going after you let go. (I've only seen it happen in Safari so far).

EVH

Mar 13, 2009, 09:00 AM

I'd be happy with..

Push notification service
Better quality camera with flash
Increased storage (32GB)
Nike+ integration.
Wi-Fi syncing with iTunes

trevreyno

Mar 13, 2009, 09:03 AM

Using the March 6th 2008 Event as a guide, I guess that Schiller and Forstall will do the heavy lifting.
They'll demo what's coming in 3.0 with the new SDK features, and announce that it'll be available in June.

next version iphone annouced wwdc 2nd week of june, 3.0 software and new iphone launched early july-just in time for steve to present the launch :)-just a thought:D

cecemf

Mar 13, 2009, 09:12 AM

I'm excited for another giant let-down! WOOHOO!

Apple: Over-promise, under-deliver!

yes but that's our fault because we want everything now and then of course it doesn't work ! I prefert to wait and have something working fine out of the box

MistaBungle

Mar 13, 2009, 09:12 AM

Spaz: I just tried it out, seemed to be fine. I'll keep trying later. I mean I'm not into finding bugs or making them 'work' but it would be neat to see what the problem is.

Also, I would like to add voice-dialing to my list. I want to be able to click the headphone thing in some way, say a name and be connected. Ever walked when it was snowing and had to make a call? You not only have to touch the screen, you have to pull your gloves off! Torture I say.

Benguitar

Mar 13, 2009, 09:16 AM

Woot! :D

someone28624

Mar 13, 2009, 09:17 AM

Alll I want is a way to organize my apps so I don't need to go through 6 pages to find the one I need.

TheSpaz

Mar 13, 2009, 09:18 AM

lftrghtparadigm

Mar 13, 2009, 09:22 AM

I'd be happy with..

Push notification service
Better quality camera with flash
Increased storage (32GB)
Nike+ integration.
Wi-Fi syncing with iTunes

This is hilarious. You want a 32 gb device, but you want syncing over WiFi...

What kind of Wifi do You have? Something no one else has apparently.

I'd like to watch you sit there, after getting what you wish for, and watch your 32 gb device backup wirelessly to iTunes.

LOLOLOLOL

sd2009

Mar 13, 2009, 09:35 AM

blybug

Mar 13, 2009, 09:40 AM

This is hilarious. You want a 32 gb device, but you want syncing over WiFi...

What kind of Wifi do You have? Something no one else has apparently.

I'd like to watch you sit there, after getting what you wish for, and watch your 32 gb device backup wirelessly to iTunes.

LOLOLOLOL
Yeah, that's really hilarious. Open your mind...:rolleyes:

I have a 60GB music library that rotates based on a very smart playlist sync'ed to my 8GB 1st Gen iPhone. After a first sync with the dock, I'd love to just walk into my house and have the few MB of photos, app updates, and songs based on my smart playlist update themselves over WiFi automatically. There's been rumors of this happening over MobileMe on-the-fly, surely it could be done on my own local WiFi when in range.

EVH

Mar 13, 2009, 10:05 AM

Yeah, that's really hilarious. Open your mind...:rolleyes:

I have a 60GB music library that rotates based on a very smart playlist sync'ed to my 8GB 1st Gen iPhone. After a first sync with the dock, I'd love to just walk into my house and have the few MB of photos, app updates, and songs based on my smart playlist update themselves over WiFi automatically. There's been rumors of this happening over MobileMe on-the-fly, surely it could be done on my own local WiFi when in range.

Exactly.

I found lftrghtparadigm's reply rude :p

bytethese

Mar 13, 2009, 10:19 AM

Wow, I can't believe I missed this yesterday! Next Tues is going to be a doozy. :)

richmonddjs

Mar 13, 2009, 10:46 AM

I left feedback to apple a while back to have the UI freely revolve to the first page forwards or backwards and not having it be like a book right now that if I want to go to the last page I don't have to flick my finger across 8 times from the home page. Hope this is a fix too.

RonCarr

Mar 13, 2009, 11:05 AM

i don't think anyone has ever called iphone os "full os x". that would have been an outright lie. if we had "full os x" there would not be need for separate sdk's. the osx programs would run on iphone after a simple recompilation, some might need a little ui touch up to enhance the user experience on small touch display, but that's all.

Well of course they have different SDKs, they are two different operating systems. They have different user interfaces, and the iPhone has to have a set resolution. The language is also a bit different thus the need for two different SDKs. Apple doesn't want people to think that the power of the iPhone is limited because it is a stripped down version of OS X. The other SDK just adds support for Cocoa Touch and all of the user interface elements of the iPhone.

CrzyCanuck72

Mar 13, 2009, 12:04 PM

I thought this up a while ago and thought it would be cool... implement up and down-swipes on the springboard to bring you to user-configurable pages. For example, up-swipe could bring you to the phone dialpad, and down-swipe could bring you to a new text message.

Data

Mar 13, 2009, 12:17 PM

I hope they finally do more with BT, like being able to send file's to other devices and recieve them of course and being able to connect a stereo headset via BT , thats what i'm hoping for.

MMS, lol,i never ever get one from anybody , i'm sort of surprised so many people want that functionality or better yet use it, email does a much better job for this function, and if those people just email me the picture form there phone instead of mms then the quality is much better, but hey there phone probably does not support that functionality and i sure don't want apple to back in time to meet the older phones limitations ;-).

Copy Paste? Never mist it either.

Lets hope they come up with something that nobody expected ;-).

TheSpaz

Mar 13, 2009, 12:18 PM

Eraserhead

Mar 13, 2009, 12:46 PM

Just hold delete for about a second and it will keep going after you let go. (I've only seen it happen in Safari so far).

I've seen it in notes too. But I think only with 2.0.1.

It does often happen in safari though (OS 2.1 for me.).

xoggyux

Mar 13, 2009, 01:15 PM

Eraserhead

Mar 13, 2009, 01:27 PM

will the iphone update affect ipods?
I have been thinking in buying myself and ipod touch and I was going to do it this weekend but now I am afraid to buy one and 2 weeks later there is a new one (even if I end up buying the current version, i'd rather get a discounted ipod which I assume will be if a new one comes along. Any thougthts?

New version is unlikely to be final before June and the update will probably be $10. But for peace of mind wait until Tuesday.

mambodancer

Mar 13, 2009, 02:54 PM

Just hold delete for about a second and it will keep going after you let go. (I've only seen it happen in Safari so far).

Just curious...what are your "Delay until repeat" settings in System Prefs>Keyboard Mouse>Keyboard settings? Is it set to Off or really short? Also, is your "Key repeat rate" set really Fast?

TheSpaz

Mar 13, 2009, 02:57 PM

Just curious...what are your "Delay until repeat" settings in System Prefs>Keyboard Mouse>Keyboard settings? Is it set to Off or really short? Also, is your "Key repeat rate" set really Fast?

Why would the settings on my desktop computer make a difference on the iPhone?

=MuLti-CeLL=

Mar 13, 2009, 03:01 PM

Whew!

Made it to page 11 last night before bed. And just now finished reading up to page 27!

...can't wait until next Tuesday...that's all I'll add for now, my eyes need a rest. :D

sd2009

Mar 13, 2009, 04:47 PM

Can someone please explain to me why the iPhone's OS has to be resolution independent? Why can't they just do what they do for the current Mac OS X. The interface, is designed to fit the screen resolution.

Because all iPhone apps are designed for a resolution of 320x480... and a 320x480 app on a higher resolution screen wouldnt work.

TheSpaz

Mar 13, 2009, 04:52 PM

Because all iPhone apps are designed for a resolution of 320x480... and a 320x480 app on a higher resolution screen wouldnt work.

They COULD work, Why wouldn't the top bar stretch to fill the width of the screen like it does when you turn the iPhone sideways? Then, why wouldn't the buttons be able to stick to either side of the screen? I think by tiling the graphics, you can have a bigger screen with the same resolution dpi. Back in the days of Mac OS 9 (long before resolution independence) the graphics would fit on different display sizes, it didn't scale up or down, the graphics were made to tile so that windows could be any size and the menu bar could be any width... that doesn't mean they have to be vector graphics.

sd2009

Mar 13, 2009, 05:16 PM

They COULD work, Why wouldn't the top bar stretch to fill the width of the screen like it does when you turn the iPhone sideways? Then, why wouldn't the buttons be able to stick to either side of the screen? I think by tiling the graphics, you can have a bigger screen with the same resolution dpi. Back in the days of Mac OS 9 (long before resolution independence) the graphics would fit on different display sizes, it didn't scale up or down, the graphics were made to tile so that windows could be any size and the menu bar could be any width... that doesn't mean they have to be vector graphics.

I really don't understand what you mean.
The top bar could stretch to fill the width. But what about apps? They are DESIGNED for a specific resolution. If you just stretch things out (which will only even look half right some of the time) then all you'll be doing is making things smaller, like this:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2i6josn.gif

Can you imagine trying to use that? That's what it would be like with an iPhone with 150% of the resolution displaying old apps the way you suggest.

For things to be the same size at higher resolutions you need resolution independence.

TheSpaz

Mar 13, 2009, 05:19 PM

I really don't understand what you mean.
The top bar could stretch to fill the width. But what about apps? They are DESIGNED for a specific resolution. If you just stretch things out (which will only even look half right some of the time) then all you'll be doing is making things smaller, like this:

http://i44.tinypic.com/2i6josn.gif

Can you imagine trying to use that? That's what it would be like with an iPhone with 150% of the resolution displaying old apps the way you suggest.

You wouldn't make the interface smaller if they made the screen bigger and also match the 160ppi resolution of the iPhone. The interface size would stay the same, it would just be spanned horizontally and vertically. The interface would adapt to whatever size screen it's on. If the app is on an iPhone, it would be 320 pixels wide and if it was on a tablet that's 500px wide, it would stretch to fill that.

sd2009

Mar 13, 2009, 05:22 PM

You wouldn't make the interface smaller if they made the screen bigger and also match the 160ppi resolution of the iPhone. The interface size would stay the same, it would just be spanned horizontally and vertically.

So we're not talking an iPhone with higher PPI we're talking about a bigger device?

Well for a bigger device to have the same PPI as the iPhone, and to display things the same size as the iPhone you would need resolution independence.

Slurpy2k8

Mar 13, 2009, 07:19 PM

This is hilarious. You want a 32 gb device, but you want syncing over WiFi...

What kind of Wifi do You have? Something no one else has apparently.

I'd like to watch you sit there, after getting what you wish for, and watch your 32 gb device backup wirelessly to iTunes.

LOLOLOLOL

Hey Genius, not all of us sit there, watching the sync screen while our ipods sync. Also, I usually dont need it to sync as fast as possible. If most people are like me, they do other **** while the iPhone is syncing. And, like me, they would appreciate the convenience of not having to look for the damn cable, plug it into their laptop, then the iphone, then unplug it, just to update a couple songs or transfer some information. USB syncing can, and should definitely be left as an option, or even the default option.

Your LOLOLOLOLOL is rather pathetic and shows how closed-minded your are.

firewood

Mar 14, 2009, 02:17 AM

... and a 320x480 app on a higher resolution screen wouldnt work.

320x480 on a higher resolution screen would work just fine. Every time you multi-touch pinch and zoom in Safari, you're viewing a web site at the "wrong" resolution, and people like that experience far far better than, say, the BlackBerry browsers.

No reason not to do exactly the same with apps.

Manderby

Mar 14, 2009, 05:58 AM

No need for a new protocol MMS is just a frontend to the regular email system, so phones could send photos and other media and the carrier could charge for it.
You're right, I completely forgot. Well, it was a joke anyway. ;)

lftrghtparadigm

Mar 14, 2009, 09:00 AM

Hey Genius, not all of us sit there, watching the sync screen while our ipods sync. Also, I usually dont need it to sync as fast as possible. If most people are like me, they do other **** while the iPhone is syncing. And, like me, they would appreciate the convenience of not having to look for the damn cable, plug it into their laptop, then the iphone, then unplug it, just to update a couple songs or transfer some information. USB syncing can, and should definitely be left as an option, or even the default option.

Your LOLOLOLOLOL is rather pathetic and shows how closed-minded your are.

Really? Well your idea of Wifi syncing shows how short-sighted YOU are.

Like most people, when considering a feature, you consider how it would benefit YOU, and then leave the rest of the details to Apple. Doesn't matter if the very core of your idea has a problem, it creates a solution for you and is therefor a worthwhile feautre, in fact a "missing" feature, one that you feel Apple continues to wrong people with by not including.

The fact remains that WiFI syncing could not be implemented in a way Apple would be satisfied with.

1. It would be SLOW ( the very idea of a new feature with SLOWER syncing is completely backwards. We need FASTER syncing of content)

2. It would be unstable (you can just imagine the people who drag a playlist of 10 gigs of music and video, a nice small amount, and then begin walking around the house with iPhone, watching the screen with no idea of progress, wondering why its not done yet.)

3. Its inconvenient (the only purpose of WiFi sycning vs. simple usb connection is "convenience" of no wires. Well, when speed and stability are both compromised, all convenience has long since been lost).

4. Would require an entirely new app for managing your content from the iPhone. (Tell me, with this new "feature" would you have to sit down at your computer anyway and drag and drop content? And this is MORE convenient than had you done the same the thing, just with a connected iPhone......)

5. WiFi is a restriction not a feature. (So in this hectic lifestyle you have where you'd be searching all over for your iPhone cable, you'd have to assure both devices were simultaneously connected to WiFi BEFORE thinking about your sync. Fine at home. What about not at home? On the road, out to lunch, out working somewhere, etc...by the time you figure this out you could have plugged in the damn phone).

Next you'll tell me we need wireless charging as well.

maccompaq

Mar 14, 2009, 09:07 AM

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5H11 Safari/525.20)

I wonder if they plan to release the software with a new iPhone or if this will just be the next big jump fir the iPhone OS. Maybe they will make mention of a new iPhone at this event.

There will be a new iPhone with everything on it that everyone wants and a lot of features no one has even thought of before.

But, to get all these features, you must buy a new phone.

kdarling

Mar 14, 2009, 09:09 AM

No need for a new protocol MMS is just a frontend to the regular email system, so phones could send photos and other media and the carrier could charge for it.

SMS/MMS have nothing to do with the email system.

SMS/MMS are based on the phone paging system, normally used to find and ring a cellphone. Signals are sent over the inter-carrier control lines. The target phone is found wherever it is in the world because it has registered with a local tower by number. Because it is a paging system, texts are charged by the call connection.

Email is based on IP over the internet. The phone is responsible for initiating a data connection TO an email server. Never the other way around. Otherwise email servers would have no idea what your current IP address is. Because it uses the data connection, email is charged per byte (unless unlimited).

Many carriers do support an email<->SMS gateway, however.

tiguk

Mar 14, 2009, 09:12 AM

Really? Well your idea of Wifi syncing shows how short-sighted YOU are.

Like most people, when considering a feature, you consider how it would benefit YOU, and then leave the rest of the details to Apple. Doesn't matter if the very core of your idea has a problem, it creates a solution for you and is therefor a worthwhile feautre, in fact a "missing" feature, one that you feel Apple continues to wrong people with by not including.

The fact remains that WiFI syncing could not be implemented in a way Apple would be satisfied with.

1. It would be SLOW ( the very idea of a new feature with SLOWER syncing is completely backwards. We need FASTER syncing of content)

2. It would be unstable (you can just imagine the people who drag a playlist of 10 gigs of music and video, a nice small amount, and then begin walking around the house with iPhone, watching the screen with no idea of progress, wondering why its not done yet.)

3. Its inconvenient (the only purpose of WiFi sycning vs. simple usb connection is "convenience" of no wires. Well, when speed and stability are both compromised, all convenience has long since been lost).

4. Would require an entirely new app for managing your content from the iPhone. (Tell me, with this new "feature" would you have to sit down at your computer anyway and drag and drop content? And this is MORE convenient than had you done the same the thing, just with a connected iPhone......)

5. WiFi is a restriction not a feature. (So in this hectic lifestyle you have where you'd be searching all over for your iPhone cable, you'd have to assure both devices were simultaneously connected to WiFi BEFORE thinking about your sync. Fine at home. What about not at home? On the road, out to lunch, out working somewhere, etc...by the time you figure this out you could have plugged in the damn phone).

Next you'll tell me we need wireless charging as well.

If it's just syncing delta changes, what's the issue? Wifi sync would be very practical and useful in addition to USB.

You appear to think it syncs the whole device every time, which it doesn't.

sd2009

Mar 14, 2009, 09:36 AM

320x480 on a higher resolution screen would work just fine. Every time you multi-touch pinch and zoom in Safari, you're viewing a web site at the "wrong" resolution, and people like that experience far far better than, say, the BlackBerry browsers.

No reason not to do exactly the same with apps.
That would be resolution independence.

SAG3194

Mar 14, 2009, 12:25 PM

Who will give the keynote on March 17th?

And will we get a Beta of 3.0? (Yes I am a developer since May of last year...)

TheSpaz

Mar 14, 2009, 03:23 PM

That would be resolution independence.

How do you know it's not already resolution independant? It seems like it is, but I don't theme so I don't know.

NT1440

Mar 14, 2009, 03:29 PM

If it's just syncing delta changes, what's the issue? Wifi sync would be very practical and useful in addition to USB.

You appear to think it syncs the whole device every time, which it doesn't.
Thats the thing, if people see there is wifi syncing but only for small items it unfairly gets labeled "crippled" because people would expect it to be a viable alternative to regular syncing.

In short: Apple won't implement it until it can FULLY replace regular syncing.

firewood

Mar 14, 2009, 03:36 PM

How do you know it's not already resolution independant?

Some of the iPhone UI elements already act resolution independent (e.g. some image views and web views). But it's not uniform for all UI elements (e.g. a sight-impaired person can't zoom into any button to see it's label more clearly), and the API for handling alternate and changing resolutions currently isn't straight forward, or even exposed.

snowleopard48

Mar 14, 2009, 05:45 PM

dood why would u want iwork on a small screen? Creating spreadsheets?

Landscape or USB the iPhone to your mac as a display?

snowleopard48

Mar 14, 2009, 05:54 PM

You wouldn't make the interface smaller if they made the screen bigger and also match the 160ppi resolution of the iPhone. The interface size would stay the same, it would just be spanned horizontally and vertically. The interface would adapt to whatever size screen it's on. If the app is on an iPhone, it would be 320 pixels wide and if it was on a tablet that's 500px wide, it would stretch to fill that.

It would be good if the keyboard is always displayed in landscape (for thousands of frustrated users):D

snowleopard48

Mar 14, 2009, 05:58 PM

will the iphone update affect ipods?
I have been thinking in buying myself and ipod touch and I was going to do it this weekend but now I am afraid to buy one and 2 weeks later there is a new one (even if I end up buying the current version, i'd rather get a discounted ipod which I assume will be if a new one comes along. Any thougthts?

I hope the update affects ipod touch too... i have one and i would really like some of the new features:D

Look, i suggest you just go ahead and buy one, because it's only an software update, not a new iPod Touch.

snowleopard48

Mar 14, 2009, 05:59 PM

i Think it will affect iPods anyway, take 2.0, it was for both, 2.1 and 2.2 were both for iPods so i guess 3.0 will be for iPod Touch:)

sd2009

Mar 14, 2009, 07:07 PM

Landscape or USB the iPhone to your mac as a display?

Then uhh..why not just use iWork on your Mac :confused:

blybug

Mar 14, 2009, 07:31 PM

Thats the thing, if people see there is wifi syncing but only for small items it unfairly gets labeled "crippled" because people would expect it to be a viable alternative to regular syncing.

In short: Apple won't implement it until it can FULLY replace regular syncing.

We've already graduated from tethered syncing of calendars, email, and contacts to over-the-air by MobileMe with a simple checkbox...why not music and photo syncing on local WiFi? All it would take is a checkbox on those tabs in iTunes "Allow Wifi Syncing". Don't put the tab on Movies & TV. People aren't completely stupid.

blackpond

Mar 15, 2009, 09:29 AM

Really? Well your idea of Wifi syncing shows how short-sighted YOU are.

Like most people, when considering a feature, you consider how it would benefit YOU, and then leave the rest of the details to Apple. Doesn't matter if the very core of your idea has a problem, it creates a solution for you and is therefor a worthwhile feautre, in fact a "missing" feature, one that you feel Apple continues to wrong people with by not including.

The fact remains that WiFI syncing could not be implemented in a way Apple would be satisfied with.

1. It would be SLOW ( the very idea of a new feature with SLOWER syncing is completely backwards. We need FASTER syncing of content)

2. It would be unstable (you can just imagine the people who drag a playlist of 10 gigs of music and video, a nice small amount, and then begin walking around the house with iPhone, watching the screen with no idea of progress, wondering why its not done yet.)

3. Its inconvenient (the only purpose of WiFi sycning vs. simple usb connection is "convenience" of no wires. Well, when speed and stability are both compromised, all convenience has long since been lost).

4. Would require an entirely new app for managing your content from the iPhone. (Tell me, with this new "feature" would you have to sit down at your computer anyway and drag and drop content? And this is MORE convenient than had you done the same the thing, just with a connected iPhone......)

5. WiFi is a restriction not a feature. (So in this hectic lifestyle you have where you'd be searching all over for your iPhone cable, you'd have to assure both devices were simultaneously connected to WiFi BEFORE thinking about your sync. Fine at home. What about not at home? On the road, out to lunch, out working somewhere, etc...by the time you figure this out you could have plugged in the damn phone).

Next you'll tell me we need wireless charging as well.

I'm sorry but I really despise nay sayers like yourself. Apple wouldn't even exist if they had your attitude. And the world would still be flat.

And what about Apple TV? It -streams- movies in real-time over Wifi. This is one of it's greatest features.

Stop ripping up other folks' brain storming sessions and go back to your hole if you can't imagine a world better than the one you live in and can understand.

:eek:

branjosef

Mar 15, 2009, 11:07 AM

It would be nice if the new OS has some customization to it. I saw the reference to Springboard app. That is the whole reason why I jailbreak. I would be nice to customize a bit.

Kilamite

Mar 15, 2009, 11:11 AM

Really? Well your idea of Wifi syncing shows how short-sighted YOU are.

Like most people, when considering a feature, you consider how it would benefit YOU, and then leave the rest of the details to Apple. Doesn't matter if the very core of your idea has a problem, it creates a solution for you and is therefor a worthwhile feautre, in fact a "missing" feature, one that you feel Apple continues to wrong people with by not including.

The fact remains that WiFI syncing could not be implemented in a way Apple would be satisfied with.

1. It would be SLOW ( the very idea of a new feature with SLOWER syncing is completely backwards. We need FASTER syncing of content)

2. It would be unstable (you can just imagine the people who drag a playlist of 10 gigs of music and video, a nice small amount, and then begin walking around the house with iPhone, watching the screen with no idea of progress, wondering why its not done yet.)

3. Its inconvenient (the only purpose of WiFi sycning vs. simple usb connection is "convenience" of no wires. Well, when speed and stability are both compromised, all convenience has long since been lost).

4. Would require an entirely new app for managing your content from the iPhone. (Tell me, with this new "feature" would you have to sit down at your computer anyway and drag and drop content? And this is MORE convenient than had you done the same the thing, just with a connected iPhone......)

5. WiFi is a restriction not a feature. (So in this hectic lifestyle you have where you'd be searching all over for your iPhone cable, you'd have to assure both devices were simultaneously connected to WiFi BEFORE thinking about your sync. Fine at home. What about not at home? On the road, out to lunch, out working somewhere, etc...by the time you figure this out you could have plugged in the damn phone).

Next you'll tell me we need wireless charging as well.

I sync 160GB's worth of content to my Apple TV over WiFi.

Go figure.

Arnel

Mar 15, 2009, 08:02 PM

Things I'd like to see in the 3.0 software:

Spotlight Search. Being able to quickly search for anything on your phone, without having to go into lots of different apps (and hope that each one has a search feature). Applications can include their own Spotlight importers, and maybe even QuickLook generators for previews? Apple already have all this technology on the Mac side, I guess that it's just a case of whether it will use too much CPU time / memory / disk space, all of which are relatively limited on an iPhone.
File storage. Being able to store files on the iPhone, and have a simple Finder-style app for selecting them. Right now if I have something like a PDF of a subway map, getting it to the phone in a way that I could always access it is tricky (I could to email it to myself, but I would have to hope it stays buffered if I'm in an area with no signal). A File-Picker API would let you do things like select files for attachments...
Push notifications. However they implement this - push notifications, or background processes - some way for apps to alert me to new things (twitters, RSS feeds, IMs, game turns, etc) would be great. Push notifications are great for reducing the toll on the phone, but only really work for apps which are also in control of the servers. If the server is owned by someone else (i.e. you were trying to write an MSN client), then you're out of luck as you aren't going to be able to get it to send push notifications to you.
Notifications on the lock screen. Being able to see at a glance what's happened since I last looked at my phone - new tweets, emails, missed calls, etc - grouped by kind.
Copy and Paste. I don't actually think it would get used an awful lot, but for those times when you do need it, it's omission right now is infuriating! It looks like it's coming in anyway - hurrah!
Quicker switching between apps. Going backwards and forwards between a couple of applications is quite clumsy right now. You have to quit one, find the next app you want to run (which might be on a different page), wait for it to launch, read whatever it was you needed to read, quit that app, find the first app again, launch that... It would be great to have both running side by side, and be able to switch between them quickly. I guess this most likely means multitasking, but perhaps the could just do some form of quick task switching, where they dump out the state of the old app, and then quickly load that back in again when you switch back. Ideally, a quick click on the home button would shrink the screen, and then you'd switch between apps in the way you switch between pages in MobileSafari.
Some way of grouping apps on the home screen. Now that we're all buying lots and lots of apps, it's a bit clunky having a flat list of apps spread across several screens. Something similar to stacks could work well - grouping all the games under one icon, for instance. It doesn't even need to be that complicated, with folders within folders within folders... just one level would work really well.
Text to speech. It would be incredibly handy, even if it were just to let you know who was calling when a call interrupts some music. The only downside I can see is that the Alex voice in Leopard weighs in at 670Mb, which is a huge chunk of disk space. (They cheated on the shuffle, and got iTunes to pre-record the names of every artist, track, and playlist!)
Sync Services. Syncing all sorts of data between iPhone and Desktop versions of apps would be great. This could be done both over the air (via Mobile Me?) or via iTunes when you dock your phone. However, I think that Apple want to avoid adding things that really only work with the Mac - they want the iPhone to be an equal citizen in the Mac and PC worlds.
More Mac OS X APIs. A few more Mac OS X APIs could make their way to the iPhone. Core Data would be an important one, especially if they want to make it easy to get data from any apps that already use it.
More UI features in the APIs. I'd love to see some API support for things that Apple have used in their apps. For example, the "page curls up to show some settings" thing from the Maps app - that's a really good way of showing and hiding some simple settings which I'd like to see more of.

There's a lot in this list, and I'm also sure that the iPhone OS team are keeping a strict eye on bloat. For each extra chunk of storage space the OS takes up means that there's less room for music, pictures, apps, data, etc. I don't think we'll get everything in!

Neil.
a.k.a. Arnel

branjosef

Mar 16, 2009, 11:17 AM

I would like to see this in the new software...

olternaut

Mar 16, 2009, 11:48 AM

Will macrumors post a link for a spoiler free keynote video or something? I won't be at my computer in time for the live event.

olternaut

Mar 16, 2009, 12:08 PM

Anyone?

devildog820

Mar 16, 2009, 03:43 PM

Will macrumors post a link for a spoiler free keynote video or something? I won't be at my computer in time for the live event.

You mean a spoiler free link for the keynote video? I'm not sure what use a spoiler free video would be. Just static? ;)

Also, just subscribe to the Apple Keynote Video Podcast on iTunes and it will download the video automatically without you having to see the surprises.

applemax

Mar 16, 2009, 03:55 PM

Will macrumors post a link for a spoiler free keynote video or something? I won't be at my computer in time for the live event.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=668872 :)

applemax

Mar 16, 2009, 03:56 PM

You mean a spoiler free link for the keynote video? I'm not sure what use a spoiler free video would be. Just static? ;)

Also, just subscribe to the Apple Keynote Video Podcast on iTunes and it will download the video automatically without you having to see the surprises.

Yeah but that takes about 24 hours to appear - the video on apple.com usually takes 1-3 hours. :)

jediknight36

Mar 16, 2009, 08:01 PM

So 3.0 is just a software update? I figured they would be releasing a hardware update too.

Any idea if this will be covered by Macrumors to watch?

Arnel

Mar 16, 2009, 09:38 PM

So 3.0 is just a software update? I figured they would be releasing a hardware update too.

Nope. This is just Apple showing what will be coming in the new 3.0 system software. They'll describe the new APIs and such, and probably have a beta for registered developers so that they can start getting their apps ready ahead of the time it's finished and is made available to the public. The public launch will probably be summer some time.

Around the same time as the 3.0 is made available is when I'd expect a new iPhone as well. However, that will likely not even come up in tomorrow's event. We might be able to infer some things by the direction they take with the OS, but there likely won't be any dead giveaways.

Anyway, this is exactly the same as how it played out last year with the 2.0 software update. They showed the new OS and the developer tools in March, let developers have a beta release then so that they could start building apps, and then they gave the final launch date for the software and announced the new iPhone 3G at WWDC in June. Both came out around a month later.