Apple Seeds OS X 10.5.7 Build 9J30 to Developers

[MacRumors]

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In what has become an almost-weekly event, Apple has seeded a new version of Mac OS X 10.5.7, known as Build 9J30, to developers. World of Apple publishes (http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2009/03/13/apple-delivers-new-build-of-mac-os-x-1057-seed-notes/) the seed notes, which reveal that the lack of Safari 4 beta support is the only remaining issue Apple has chosen to highlight.One week after the previous seed of Mac OS X 10.5.7 Apple has given developers another build this time in the form of 9J30. The rapid development of Mac OS X 10.5.7 suggests a public release before the end of March.

Developers testing build 9J30 have been asked to focus on new areas such as Flash Player, USB and Flash Drives, iCal and Widgets.Apple seeded Build 9J22 (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/02/26/apple-prepping-os-x-10-5-7-update/) on February 25th and Build 9J27 (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/07/apple-seeds-another-new-os-x-10-5-7-build/) on March 7th. The declining list of known issues, brief time intervals between seeds, and decreasing intervals of build numbers between those seeds suggest that Apple is wrapping up development on OS X 10.5.7 and should see a release in the near future.

Article Link: Apple Seeds OS X 10.5.7 Build 9J30 to Developers (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/13/apple-seeds-os-x-10-5-7-build-9j30-to-developers/)

[macduke]

Release next Tuesday?

[broncopde]

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Having such incremental updates like these (7 (after this releases) for Leopard in a year and a half are so refreshing compared to the few and very infrequent service packs for Windows OSes. I look forward to this release.

[9rithesh]

Hopefully, see a New OS before the end of this month!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wish my dream come true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sky Blue]

Hopefully, see a New OS before the end of this month!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wish my dream come true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You dream of 10.5.7?

[mackensteff]

Will this unlock the genius features "missing" from iTunes 8.1?

[crees!]

A release on or by 3/17 because developers will need 10.5.7 to test the SDK.

[Shoesy]

Hopefully, see a New OS before the end of this month!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wish my dream come true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You realise this isn't the fabled snow leopard right?

[Eric S.]

Apple seems to be pushing this one through pretty fast now. We should see it released in a week or two at the most.

[Sky Blue]

Will this unlock the genius features "missing" from iTunes 8.1?

Yup, and copy and paste on the iPhone.

[Quillz]

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Having such incremental updates like these (7(after this releases) for Leopard in a year and a half are so refreshing compared to the few and very infrequent service packs for Windows OSes. I look forward to this release.
Service Packs for Windows come out infrequently because they simply combine hundreds of hotfixes into one installer. There are many incremental Windows updates released every Patch Tuesday, and thus updates work much the same vein as they do on Mac OS X.

[james4cet]

Can I just ask. Is this Snow Leopard. I know it says 10.5.7 but i'm just wondering cus' its getting a bit confusing as sometimes there are posts saying 'Snow Leopard seeded to developers' and some that say '10.5.7 seeded to developers'. If not then does this include Quicktime X and the new Stacks features? Or is that 10.6. When will 10.6 be released?

[Lesser Evets]

Can I just ask. Is this Snow Leopard. I know it says 10.5.7 but i'm just wondering cus' its getting a bit confusing as sometimes there are posts saying 'Snow Leopard seeded to developers' and some that say '10.5.7 seeded to developers'. If not then does this include Quicktime X and the new Stacks features? Or is that 10.6. When will 10.6 be released?

SNOW Leopard is 10.6.xxxx

LEOPARD is anything with 10.5.xxxx

10.6 is assumed to come out in the summer or beyond.
10.5.7 will probably be out for free to all 10.5 owners by the end of the month.

[kabunaru]

A release on or by 3/17 because developers will need 10.5.7 to test the SDK.

Mac OS 10.5.7 will be required for 3.0 software? :confused:

[PoitNarf]

Mac OS 10.5.7 will be required for 3.0 software? :confused:

No, probably for the new iPhone SDK that will most likely be released on Tuesday.

[SandynJosh]

I'm not a developer. Does anyone know where a list of what is still being worked on may be found? Just curious.

[Eidorian]

While I love an update to OS X how is everyone doing with 10.5.6?

Consider I've rarely had problems with updates like some poor users.

[kabunaru]

While I love an update to OS X how is everyone doing with 10.5.6?

Consider I've rarely had problems with updates like some poor users.

I have poor internet connection but otherwise everything else is fine.

[mac.andy]

Compatibility with Safari 4 Beta has got to make it into 10.5.7 otherwise I don't want to update. :(
Safari 4 Beta is that good!

[9rithesh]

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Hopefully, see a New OS before the end of this month!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wish my dream come true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You dream of 10.5.7?

Well I planned to buy an unibody MacBook pro the same day apple changed the configuration bumping it to 2.66ghz and now I planned again and there's snow leopard peeking and that is just resisting my dream of buying a Macbook just flipped my fingers crossed to see what's the next surprise from Apple going to be.

[MartiNZ]

I like that widgets are on the focus testing list. Maybe the iTunes widget will work for the first time ever after this update!

[dwsolberg]

Speaking of Safari being good, I know that Apple's putting in a new version of Flash into this update. Since Flash is such a unruly resource hog, I'm hoping they reined it in a bit. For example, Firefox will use about 40% of the CPU idle and in the background when some webpages are open. Disable Flash, and it goes down to almost zero.

[thebigb010]

So my question is this...

Just bought a RADEON HD 4870 not realizing it wouldn't work in my Mac Pro (dummy me).

Should I return it or wait for 10.5.7 which should run this card?

And anyone got any firm info on the Tuesday March 17 release?

Thanks

B

[Eidorian]

So my question is this...

Just bought a RADEON HD 4870 not realizing it wouldn't work in my Mac Pro (dummy me).

Should I return it or wait for 10.5.7 which should run this card?

And anyone got any firm info on the Tuesday March 17 release?

Thanks

BPatience since you already have the card.

[kabunaru]

Patience since you already have the card.

And add to that, patience is a virtue.
You got to have patience, especially in Apple's world.

[Sky Blue]

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Well I planned to buy an unibody MacBook pro the same day apple changed the configuration bumping it to 2.66ghz and now I planned again and there's snow leopard peeking and that is just resisting my dream of buying a Macbook just flipped my fingers crossed to see what's the next surprise from Apple going to be.

Didn't understand a word of that :confused:

[kabunaru]

Didn't understand a word of that :confused:

English is not everyone's native language so expect this from time to time.

[twoodcc]

i'm really surprised that it's not out yet. i thought it would be out for the new mac pros

[kabunaru]

i'm really surprised that it's not out yet. i thought it would be out for the new mac pros

New Mac Pros are using a special build of 10.5.6.

[KingYaba]

While I love an update to OS X how is everyone doing with 10.5.6?

Zero issues.

[iBunny]

Whats weird is that in my history of using OSX (since Panther 10.3) I have never had a problem or an issue that needed to be fixed. But still they release updates.

I just look forward to performance improvements. I always like when the update graphics drivers <3

[timish]

Didn't understand a word of that :confused:

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Well I planned to buy an unibody MacBook pro the same day apple changed the configuration bumping it to 2.66ghz and now I planned again and there's snow leopard peeking and that is just resisting my dream of buying a Macbook just flipped my fingers crossed to see what's the next surprise from Apple going to be.


TRANSLATION:

Well I planned on buying a Unibody MacBook Pro on the day that Apple silently updated the CPU to 2.66Ghz

I subsequently decided on that course of action for a second time and now that Apple is releasing Snow Leopard soon I just don't know what to do and I am resisting my dream of buying this Macbook Pro.

Performing ninja like skills with my fingers and using zen like mind control I am going to wait and see what Apple is going to do.
:D:D

[iBug2]

So my question is this...

Just bought a RADEON HD 4870 not realizing it wouldn't work in my Mac Pro (dummy me).

Should I return it or wait for 10.5.7 which should run this card?

And anyone got any firm info on the Tuesday March 17 release?

Thanks

B

How did you even buy the card considering it has a 5-7 week estimated shipping date at the moment?

If you bought a new Mac Pro with 4870 in it, you don't need 10.5.7 to use the card.

[Eric S.]

TRANSLATION:

Well I planned on buying a Unibody MacBook Pro on the day that Apple silently updated the CPU to 2.66Ghz

I subsequently decided on that course of action for a second time and now that Apple is releasing Snow Leopard soon I just don't know what to do and I am resisting my dream of buying this Macbook Pro.

Performing ninja like skills with my fingers and using zen like mind control I am going to wait and see what Apple is going to do.
:D:D

And I didn't understand a word of that. :rolleyes:

[macduke]

How did you even buy the card considering it has a 5-7 week estimated shipping date at the moment?

If you bought a new Mac Pro with 4870 in it, you don't need 10.5.7 to use the card.

I dunno...maybe he bought something like this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102801)?

Not everyone buys their parts from Apple. I used to build PC's from parts off of NewEgg before I switched. I've never upgraded my mac because it is a newer MBP, but I would assume that if its the same chipset then the Apple driver would work fine with it. Correct? Though it may void the warranty, unless he didn't purchase Apple Care and its out of warranty anyway.

I'm really tempted right now to part and price out a Core i7 Hackintosh. Wonder if kexts are available for it yet. I haven't messed with OSX86 since I sold my old Inspiron 9300.

[RichardI]

Zero issues.

Ditto.:)

Rich :cool:

[Bye Bye Baby]

Finally. Bring it on.

[thebigb010]

How did you even buy the card considering it has a 5-7 week estimated shipping date at the moment?

If you bought a new Mac Pro with 4870 in it, you don't need 10.5.7 to use the card.

I bought the 4870 @ Best Buy thinking it would work in my Mac Pro not realizing that it required 10.5.7

Right now I have the stock ATI Radeon HD 2600 that came with the Mac Pro running 2 monitors, but now I want to add a video card for my HD tv. So basically I am wanting 3 monitors.

Should I stick with the 4870 and wait for 10.5.7 or is there another vidoe card that will work with the current 10.5.6 that I can pick up easilly.

Thanks

B

[Eric S.]

Should I stick with the 4870 and wait for 10.5.7 or is there another vidoe card that will work with the current 10.5.6 that I can pick up easilly.

All indications are that 10.5.7 will be out real soon, by the end of the month at the latest. Unless you have a really pressing need, the best course would be to wait a bit.

[nerdbert]

I've never upgraded my mac because it is a newer MBP, but I would assume that if its the same chipset then the Apple driver would work fine with it. Correct?

I didn't pay attention in recent years (switched to laptops), but they used to come with a different firmware. Since the Intel-switch they might have changed this, but given the price difference I doubt it.

[ftored]

TRANSLATION:

Well I planned on buying a Unibody MacBook Pro on the day that Apple silently updated the CPU to 2.66Ghz

I subsequently decided on that course of action for a second time and now that Apple is releasing Snow Leopard soon I just don't know what to do and I am resisting my dream of buying this Macbook Pro.

Performing ninja like skills with my fingers and using zen like mind control I am going to wait and see what Apple is going to do.
:D:D

Well with this kind of thinking, you wont get far. These things change by day. And i am sure when Snow Leopard is out, new MBP will be announced a bit later:D.. And then new OS, and the circle never ends.:)

[Joelg88]

Can I just ask. Is this Snow Leopard. I know it says 10.5.7 but i'm just wondering cus' its getting a bit confusing as sometimes there are posts saying 'Snow Leopard seeded to developers' and some that say '10.5.7 seeded to developers'. If not then does this include Quicktime X and the new Stacks features? Or is that 10.6. When will 10.6 be released?
When ever you see 10.5.X thats leopard.

Snow Leopard is 10.6.

[Joelg88]

So my question is this...

Just bought a RADEON HD 4870 not realizing it wouldn't work in my Mac Pro (dummy me).

Should I return it or wait for 10.5.7 which should run this card?

And anyone got any firm info on the Tuesday March 17 release?

Thanks

B

Well Apple's site says that the HD4870 is supported on the 2008 and 2009 Mac Pro's and that you need OS X 10.5.6 or later. So according to there site you should be able to use the card if you have Update 6 installed.

[thebigb010]

Well Apple's site says that the HD4870 is supported on the 2008 and 2009 Mac Pro's and that you need OS X 10.5.6 or later. So according to there site you should be able to use the card if you have Update 6 installed.

What I am finding out now is that the 4870 needs to be flashed.

Now all I got to do is find a PC with a 16X slot to flash this damn card.

This has now become an obsession!!!

I will win over this card.

B

[iParis]

You dream of 10.5.7?

Of course? Who wouldn't dream of the small difference from 10.5.6 to 10.5.7.
And no, I don't think anyone would be dreaming of OS 11 or or OS X 10.6

Will this unlock the genius features "missing" from iTunes 8.1?

Yep! Along with making your Windows Vista partition, if you have one, be the best OS you can think of along with making you iPod or iPhone's battery last twice as long.

[9rithesh]

You realise this isn't the fabled snow leopard right?

Sir, I thought 10.5.7 is going to be Snow Leopard. Sorry for my ignorance. Am new to Apple world.

[clyd3robert]

I installed it on my PB 1GHz with 512MB and its definately faster than Tiger :). WiFi is the only thing I am having problems with but I think its my laptop hardware since it was problem in Tiger :(.

[kabunaru]

I installed it on my PB 1GHz with 512MB and its definately faster than Tiger :).

Did you time travel to the future or are you a developer?

[coelicolor]

no news about improvement of mail.app. i have bad experiences of mail. i hope mail.app will be improved in the new version or update.

[t0mat0]

Well with this kind of thinking, you wont get far. These things change by day. And i am sure when Snow Leopard is out, new MBP will be announced a bit later:D.. And then new OS, and the circle never ends.:)

The trouble being with the MacBook Pro for the next version - that it'll be out around Snow Leopard potentially (See the Buyer's guide MBP product cycle) but a mobile Core i7 CPU is a way away currently.

[nerdbert]

The trouble being with the MacBook Pro for the next version - that it'll be out around Snow Leopard potentially (See the Buyer's guide MBP product cycle) but a mobile Core i7 CPU is a way away currently.

Given the recent design changes it will just feature minor speed improvements and a larger hdd (and Bluray perhaps). Take a look at Intel's roadmap if you doubt me.

[kabunaru]

Any ideas when Mac OS 10.5.7 might be released?

[Eric S.]

Any ideas when Mac OS 10.5.7 might be released?

Tuesday. ;)

Seriously, I would expect it before the end of the month, and it could be very soon.

[Eric S.]

A new seed of 10.5.7 is out - build 9J34 - with only one known issue listed (Safari 4):

http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2009/03/21/apple-seeds-new-build-of-mac-os-x-1057-seed-notes/

[G4DP]

If Safari 4 is the last known issue, it'll be out by Friday at the latest.

[aapl.jlo]

Did any of you guys notice that you CANNOT BUY 10.5 on Apple.com? Maybe it is just a fluke....but...check it out. Click on Buy Now...you get nowhere, they return you to the store home. http://www.apple.com/macosx/

My bet is this week something is going down!

[xUKHCx]

That link doesn't go straight to it but it is still on the apple store:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC094Z/A?mco=MzE2OTkyOA

[aapl.jlo]

Do you have any clue as to WHY Apple would make some run around like that with the link that I posted. Just ridiculous! Oh well...

[Eric S.]

Do you have any clue as to WHY Apple would make some run around like that with the link that I posted. Just ridiculous! Oh well...

Well you need to go through the Store link instead of the Mac link (Store -> Shop Mac -> Apple Software). But I agree that it is often hard to find things easily in the apple.com site.

[kabunaru]

If Safari 4 is the last known issue, it'll be out by Friday at the latest.

I will say Tuesday or Wednesday.

[prostuff1]

While I love an update to OS X how is everyone doing with 10.5.6?

Consider I've rarely had problems with updates like some poor users.

For the most part it has been fine for me. No hardcore random crashing but I am getting some weird behavior.

Finder likes to hang when I am at home on my network and connected to my NAS. Finder never gracefully handles this and the problem is that when this happens I have to restart the computer and I almost always have to hold down the power button as something hangs the restart.

The only other problem I have had is that my Internet will randomly disconnect while I am at home. I even have it set to an assigned IP so I have no idea why it goes by by. Sometimes this disconnect will cause the first problem to happen and then a restart is necessary. If I figure out what is happening then I can turn off the airport card and turn it back on and it is good to go for the rest of the night.

[macaliseme]

A new seed of 10.5.7 is out - build 9J34 - with only one known issue listed (Safari 4):

http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2009/03/21/apple-seeds-new-build-of-mac-os-x-1057-seed-notes/

I doubt that'll hold it up - its just a matter of Apple releasing a refresh that is compatible with 10.5.7 given that it probably is just a version check in the installer.

[macaliseme]

For the most part it has been fine for me. No hardcore random crashing but I am getting some weird behavior.

Finder likes to hang when I am at home on my network and connected to my NAS. Finder never gracefully handles this and the problem is that when this happens I have to restart the computer and I almost always have to hold down the power button as something hangs the restart.

The only other problem I have had is that my Internet will randomly disconnect while I am at home. I even have it set to an assigned IP so I have no idea why it goes by by. Sometimes this disconnect will cause the first problem to happen and then a restart is necessary. If I figure out what is happening then I can turn off the airport card and turn it back on and it is good to go for the rest of the night.

Simple advice, don't use delta updates - combo updates alll the way.

[Bye Bye Baby]

I hope it's ready soon.

[wankey]

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Having such incremental updates like these (7 (after this releases) for Leopard in a year and a half are so refreshing compared to the few and very infrequent service packs for Windows OSes. I look forward to this release.

Windows Vista SP1's changelog is 30 pages long. We haven't yet seen documentation for SP2 but it seems to be pretty big also. Windows also gets way more updates than OS X on a *scheduled* basis, none of this "oh is it coming out next week" nonsense.

Your kind of thinking is still in the backwards Windows sucks OS X rules. Both have their strong points and weak points, the truth is that Windows has 80% marketshare, and OS X has 10. Even with their "crappy" Vista.

I hope they break the whole secrecy and start putting timelines of their fix schedules, hopefully IT departments will start looking into OS X for future deployment strategies.

[Eric S.]

I hope they break the whole secrecy and start putting timelines of their fix schedules, hopefully IT departments will start looking into OS X for future deployment strategies.

That's a good point, because from time to time Apple implies that it is making a bigger effort to make inroads into the business community. But businesses want more transparency in release schedules so they can plan their own resource allocation; they really don't like secrecy to the point of paranoia.

[Peace]

That's a good point, because from time to time Apple implies that it is making a bigger effort to make inroads into the business community. But businesses want more transparency in release schedules so they can plan their own resource allocation; they really don't like secrecy to the point of paranoia.

Apple's secrecy with it's O/S releases are most of the time warranted because they often hold information on upcoming new products or features.

I'm on Apple's side on this debate. They should stay that way.


but..

hehe

Maybe next week we will see 10.5.7.

[Eric S.]

Apple's secrecy with it's O/S releases are most of the time warranted because they often hold information on upcoming new products or features.

I'm on Apple's side on this debate. They should stay that way.

I disagree. For one thing, Apple generally makes quite a few details of its future OS releases public. Look at what they've previewed about Snow Leopard so far. (On the other hand, details of future hardware are kept quite secret.) But mainly, product roadmaps can be made public in such a way that demand is increased rather than reduced. Intel is quite public with its product roadmaps and hasn't been hurt by doing so.

but..

hehe

Maybe next week we will see 10.5.7.

I think so. At least I hope so.

[fof]

I really hope 10.5.7 will fix this super-annoying Airport bug that leads to disconnections and fluctuating signal strength even when I am only 2 meters away from the router.
Maybe there is a developer around who can could post a simple YES or NO as to whether this bug is fixed in the latest builds...

[Apple Corps]

fof

You and many others as well. Every year or so Apple updates "zonk" my Airport network. This most recent problem - just as you describe - is ONLY impacting my quad 2.66 MacPro (Intel) - my iMac, Mini and MBP are able to access the network as before :eek:

[kabunaru]

Maybe next week we will see 10.5.7.

I predict Monday then.