Does anyone else have a Tinker?

[Dreadnought]

Hi,

I was just wondering because I have gotten a Tinker since yesterday, does anyone else also have such a thing? So are we entering another Tinkerstorm....? Really don't hope so, this Tinker is killing my production!

Fold on!

[bousozoku]

Sorry, but I have no Tinker WUs. :p

[Sparky's]

being a nubee to folding, what is a "Tinker"?

[Dreadnought]

I already expected this question would rise. A tinker is a WorkUnit (WU) that takes a lot of time. A windoos machine handles it better then a Mac because it doesn't support altivec that the Mac has (increases foldingspeed a lot!). So, you have to crunch solely on your cpu power. And also a heavy Tinker has a lot more steps then a Gromac WU. The Gromac WU's are going to 100%, the tinker go with frames. Tinkers have frames of 100, 200 or 400. And I have one that has 400 frames!!! On my G5 1.8 it takes about 4 days running it 24/7, and you only get 70 points for it. When there is a tinkerstorm, a lot of people get tinkers and then you really see a hit in everybodies point increase and in our team.

[wdlove]

So how do you know if you have this tinker?

[Sparky's]

I would assume this is a little to small to be considered a Tinker but so far on my G4-500 its been 27 hours and only 71% done.

[Dreadnought]

So how do you know if you have this tinker?

Well, there are two types of WU's, Tinkers and Gromacs. Look at the Stanford's project summary page (http://vspx27.stanford.edu/psummary.html) and that has all the info on every WU. How many points, if it is a tinker or Gromac, how many days you have got to get it finished, etc.

Sparky's, allready saw your name with the new folders! So you allready finished your first WU! Congrats!

[Sparky's]

So cool, I'm really getting into this. It seems I'm crunching a GROMAC. I'm number 732 in the screen shot.

Fold on.....

[bousozoku]

So cool, I'm really getting into this. It seems I'm crunching a GROMAC. I'm number 732 in the screen shot.

Fold on.....

Yes, that's a Gromacs. Dreadnought is the only one in the world with a (s)Tinker.

[Rower_CPU]

For those of you using the console versions, make sure that you enable the advmethods switch to force F@H to give you gromacs proteins. You'll still get an occasional sTinker, but they will be few and far between.

You can check the switches that F@H is running with by opening FAHlog.txt and looking immediately below the initial hashes for the "Arguments" line.

If -advmethods is not listed there, you're more susceptible to sTinkers. If you want help adding the switch I can do so, but it entails some Terminal work.

For those using the GUI or Screensaver clients, please consider switching to the console version.

[wdlove]

Do you know which that I have installed Rower_CPU. I had MrMacMan assist with my installation. My was installed via the Terminal. Is there anything that I should be doing?

[Rower_CPU]

If your install was via mc68k's script or via the Terminal, you're running the console version.

Like I said above, check FAHlog.txt (it will be inside your F@H directory) for the switch.

[wdlove]

If your install was via mc68k's script or via the Terminal, you're running the console version.

Like I said above, check FAHlog.txt (it will be inside your F@H directory) for the switch.

Please be patient whith me Rower_CPU. It was very helpful for me when MrMacman gave me step by step directions. When it comes to the Terminal, I want to be very cautions. The only thing that I use it for is to type "work" as instructed by MrMacman. I have 3 Mac's that I will need to change. ;)

[bousozoku]

Please be patient whith me Rower_CPU. It was very helpful for me when MrMacman gave me step by step directions. When it comes to the Terminal, I want to be very cautions. The only thing that I use it for is to type "work" as instructed by MrMacman. I have 3 Mac's that I will need to change. ;)

I believe that you can open the Terminal application and type the following and press <return> or <enter> to see:

grep "Arguments:" ~/FAH1/FAHlog.txt

NB: There is one space on each side of "Arguments:".

[Rower_CPU]

You can open FAHlog.txt in TextEdit to see what it contains. No need for the Terminal, yet. ;)

edit - bous' make that
grep "Arguments:" ~/F@H1/FAHlog.txt
and
grep "Arguments:" ~/F@H2/FAHlog.txt
if you're running on 2 processors.

[Dreadnought]

Yes, that's a Gromacs. Dreadnought is the only one in the world with a (s)Tinker.

Yeah thanks Bousozoku! Thank my G5 that it already finished it! Looking at the stats of our team, looks like I am not the only one that had a (s)Tinker. We took a dive a couple of days back to only 18000 points... So probably more of us had this wonderfull protein!

[Sparky's]

For those of you using the console versions, make sure that you enable the advmethods switch to force F@H to give you gromacs proteins. You'll still get an occasional sTinker, but they will be few and far between.

You can check the switches that F@H is running with by opening FAHlog.txt and looking immediately below the initial hashes for the "Arguments" line.

If -advmethods is not listed there, you're more susceptible to sTinkers. If you want help adding the switch I can do so, but it entails some Terminal work.

For those using the GUI or Screensaver clients, please consider switching to the console version.

Rower, you refer to this as a "switch". I have checked my log and it is listed as on I guess, but is it something that would "switch" off?

Also, I have modified my signature a little to reflect the Stanford site and our team, but is there an easy way to have my point count automatically update?
I do it now manually each time I log in I go there first and check my stats then update it.

[mc68k]

So how do you know if you have this tinker? you look at your process list to find what core folding is running.

core65 = tinker

core78 = gromacs

to look at your process list type in top -u
The core will be at the top since it has the most CPU time

alternatively you could use activity monitor (10.3.3)
-or-
process viewer (10.2.8)

[Rower_CPU]

Rower, you refer to this as a "switch". I have checked my log and it is listed as on I guess, but is it something that would "switch" off?

Also, I have modified my signature a little to reflect the Stanford site and our team, but is there an easy way to have my point count automatically update?
I do it now manually each time I log in I go there first and check my stats then update it.

Command-line switches listed are "on". If it's not declared when launching the process, it's "off".

Manual sig updates are the only method, I'm afraid. The closest you'll get to something automatic is something like wdlove's link to a stats image. If images in sigs were allowed it'd be a piece of cake - but there's no way arn will allow that.

[crazytom]

Yup, I just got a tinker today. I don't think I've seen one of those for quite a few months...Maybe The Knights Who Say Ni made a deal to dump a bunch of Tinkers out there so they can catch up to us again! ;)

[wdlove]

you look at your process list to find what core folding is running.

core65 = tinker

core78 = gromacs

to look at your process list type in top -u
The core will be at the top since it has the most CPU time

alternatively you could use activity monitor (10.3.3)
-or-
process viewer (10.2.8)

I checked the Activity Monitor on the iBook it said 78e. :)

[wdlove]

You can open FAHlog.txt in TextEdit to see what it contains. No need for the Terminal, yet. ;)

edit - bous' make that
grep "Arguments:" ~/F@H1/FAHlog.txt
and
grep "Arguments:" ~/F@H2/FAHlog.txt
if you're running on 2 processors.

Rower_CPU are you now saying that I should use the Treminal? Do I type exactly as: grep "Arguments:" ~/F@H1/FAHlog.txt, for each processor no spaces? Then hit return? So this is done to increase production to get >gromacs?

[Rower_CPU]

Rower_CPU are you now saying that I should use the Treminal? Do I type exactly as: grep "Arguments:" ~/F@H1/FAHlog.txt, for each processor no spaces? Then hit return? So this is done to increase production to get >gromacs?

I was only correcting bousozoku's command. TextEdit is really your best bet.

The commands above, when typed into the Terminal will return the content of that line in FAHlog.txt and let you see what's there. They do not change any of your settings.

[wdlove]

I was only correcting bousozoku's command. TextEdit is really your best bet.

The commands above, when typed into the Terminal will return the content of that line in FAHlog.txt and let you see what's there. They do not change any of your settings.

I went to Applications > TextEdit, then typed in above. Hit return nothing happens?

[bousozoku]

You can open FAHlog.txt in TextEdit to see what it contains. No need for the Terminal, yet. ;)

edit - bous' make that
grep "Arguments:" ~/F@H1/FAHlog.txt
and
grep "Arguments:" ~/F@H2/FAHlog.txt
if you're running on 2 processors.

Okay, fine. I'm not running mc68k's scripts so I don't know where they are really. I was trying to remember. :D Do I get points for being close?

[adamjay]

i got a Tinker on my Pentium machine right now... and it has taken about all week to work through (Pentium3-766mhz), started Sunday and its on Frame 285 now. My G4's never get tinkers though.

[Rower_CPU]

wdlove-
Those commands are for Terminal. You can open FAHlog.txt directly in TextEdit and read the whole thing, or use those commands from Terminal to read just that particular line.

So, you have options. :)

bous-
You did fine. Just had to clarify for the less Terminal savvy. ;)

[bousozoku]

i got a Tinker on my Pentium machine right now... and it has taken about all week to work through (Pentium3-766mhz), started Sunday and its on Frame 285 now. My G4's never get tinkers though.

That's because the rough performance estimates actually work with the version 4 client and the G4s are poor at floating point work. My G3 gets more (s)Tinker WUs than my dual G4 because my G3 is faster calculating floating point at the same clock speed.

[arogge]

So how do you know if you have this tinker?

The Tinker unit that I keep getting is p638, and you'll know if you have one of these because it takes about an hour to get 1 percent of it completed. :( I've been forcing the Folding client to do only Gromacs units because letting the G4 struggle with Tinkers is a waste of resources, especially during hot weather. Get an AMD chip for Tinkers. :D

[wdlove]

wdlove-
Those commands are for Terminal. You can open FAHlog.txt directly in TextEdit and read the whole thing, or use those commands from Terminal to read just that particular line.

So, you have options. :)

bous-
You did fine. Just had to clarify for the less Terminal savvy. ;)

I'm sorry Rower_CPU, but you have me lost. I thought that TextEdit was just for messages. I have no idea how to open Fahlog.txt. I don't think that I stupid, but just not a power user in any way. If you can remember it took MrMacman awhile to get my folding working in the first place. :confused: :(

[Rower_CPU]

I'm sorry Rower_CPU, but you have me lost. I thought that TextEdit was just for messages. I have no idea how to open Fahlog.txt. I don't think that I stupid, but just not a power user in any way. If you can remember it took MrMacman awhile to get my folding working in the first place. :confused: :(

OK, here's the breakdown: FAHlog.txt is just a simple text file, readable by any program that works with text. You could open in in Word, TextEdit, etc.

Terminal-
Typing in the commands listed will show you the contents of just that line in the fie.

TextEdit-
Using File>Open you can browse to FAHlog.txt and open it to view the contents of the entire file.

So, you have 2 completely distinct options - the commands for Terminal have nothing to do with TextEdit. Is that clearer?

[Papsomax]

Yes, it's the time of the tinker again!. The groms are mostly 18 pointers. All teams have taken a nose dive. We all hate tinkers, I know tinkers stink in the mac world, even our amds and ht p4's dont like them.

Hooah!

[Vlade]

I think my DP 2GHZ G5 has them because my mac and PC's are really pumping out units like crazy and I am only at about 100 ppd (although a few units got lost :() when I should be at about 200... maybe in a few hours I will get a 142 point boost :)

[wdlove]

OK, here's the breakdown: FAHlog.txt is just a simple text file, readable by any program that works with text. You could open in in Word, TextEdit, etc.

Terminal-
Typing in the commands listed will show you the contents of just that line in the fie.

TextEdit-
Using File>Open you can browse to FAHlog.txt and open it to view the contents of the entire file.

So, you have 2 completely distinct options - the commands for Terminal have nothing to do with TextEdit. Is that clearer?

I'm sorry, but no. :confused: I definitely don't want to do something that would mess our Mac's. My wife would kill me.

[Rower_CPU]

I'm sorry, but no. :confused: I definitely don't want to do something that would mess our Mac's. My wife would kill me.

Nothing involved with this process could have any negative repercussions on your Mac. All you're doing is looking at the contents of a text file. Let's just forget the Terminal options and try TextEdit.

Open TextEdit and then go to File>Open and navigate to the folder where Folding@Home is installed and then open FAHlog.txt and look at its contents. All we're concerned about is the top 12 lines or so, which should look like this:
# Mac OS X Edition ############################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@home Client Version 4.00

http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Arguments: -local -advmethods -forceasm -verbosity 9

Let us know what the contents of the Arguments section are. :)

[Sparky's]

So how do you know if you have this tinker?

go here and it tells you what protein is what

http://vspx27.stanford.edu/psummary.html

Sorry Rower didn't mean to jump in-1 crisis at a time... :rolleyes:

I'm on mu 5th WU and no tinkers yet

[Sparky's]

Easter Sunday 12:33 est I just got hamered with a Tinker (p638 70.9 points though). I'm gonna watch this one......

[wdlove]

Open TextEdit and then go to File>Open and navigate to the folder where Folding@Home is installed and then open FAHlog.txt and look at its contents. All we're concerned about is the top 12 lines or so, which should look like this:
[code]# Mac OS X Edition #################################

Let us know what the contents of the Arguments section are. :)

OK, so I opened TextEdit and went to File>open. Now how do I find the folder where Folding@Home is installed?

[Sparky's]

Can anyone tell me what's happening with this? It started at 12:33 and it's now 5:10 from what I see 0 out of 400 frames are completed. or does the "frames (5)" actually mean there are 5 finished? :confused:

[arogge]

OK, so I opened TextEdit and went to File>open. Now how do I find the folder where Folding@Home is installed?

The Folding files should be in your user profile directory, something like
"/Users/wdlove/Library/Folding@home".

[arogge]

It started at 12:33 and it's now 5:10 from what I see 0 out of 400 frames are completed. or does the "frames (5)" actually mean there are 5 finished? :confused:

The first line that says 0 frames completed is the one from when you first started the client. The current status is 5 frames completed, and this message is displayed for each frame completed. If you restart the client, that first line will say 5 frames completed and 395 remaining. The text in the terminal window doesn't refresh except by inserting new lines at the bottom of the window. :p

[Sparky's]

OK I'm running "InCrease" and when I open the terminal nothing is there. the pdf I posted was a shot from InCrease.
here are the latest the first (oicture 2) is when I open terminal and the second (picture 3) is my current InCrease status.

got it, typed in "top" in terminal and got the 3rd (picture 4)

But now what do I type in to stop top and quit out of terminal?(so damn terminal illiterate), never mind scrolled back a few pages and got it "q" or "control + c" :rolleyes:

[wdlove]

I wasn't sure what you wanted Rower_CPU. ;)

--- Opening Log file [April 8 05:54:17]


# Mac OS X Edition ############################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@home Client Version 4.00

http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Arguments: -local -advmethods

...

[Rower_CPU]

Like I said, all you need to look at is the 12th line or so that says "Arguments".

Your lists -advmethods, so you're fine. :)

[kylos]

This topic is in the distributed computing forum so that's good. However, the distributed computing forum topics also appear on the macrumors main page. It would be nice if folders would label their topics as such to avoid wasting the time of others with vague (and sometimes misguiding when understood out of context) topic titles. Sometimes it will take several posts to even figure out that the topic is folding.
Thanks, for all the non-folders.
Kyle?

[adamjay]

This topic is in the distributed computing forum so that's good. However, the distributed computing forum topics also appear on the macrumors main page. It would be nice if folders would label their topics as such to avoid wasting the time of others with vague (and sometimes misguiding when understood out of context) topic titles. Sometimes it will take several posts to even figure out that the topic is folding.
Thanks, for all the non-folders.
Kyle?

this should get real interesting.....

[bousozoku]

This topic is in the distributed computing forum so that's good. However, the distributed computing forum topics also appear on the macrumors main page. It would be nice if folders would label their topics as such to avoid wasting the time of others with vague (and sometimes misguiding when understood out of context) topic titles. Sometimes it will take several posts to even figure out that the topic is folding.
Thanks, for all the non-folders.
Kyle?

Most all of them are appropriately titled, including this one. If you don't know what it is; perhaps, you should avoid it. If not, you could learn enough about the subject to avoid one the next time.

[Sparky's]

This topic is in the distributed computing forum so that's good. However, the distributed computing forum topics also appear on the macrumors main page. It would be nice if folders would label their topics as such to avoid wasting the time of others with vague (and sometimes misguiding when understood out of context) topic titles. Sometimes it will take several posts to even figure out that the topic is folding.
Thanks, for all the non-folders.
Kyle?

I'm not sure what you mean by appears on the main page. I haven't seen any other Posts or Threads about folding other than in this forum. But then I don't scour the Threads looking for them either

[howard]

maybe its just my imagination but it seems like the gromacs go a lot faster on my G3 as well. i've been finishing proteins in half the time that i remember finishing them since the change.

[adamjay]

I think Kyle? is seeing the threads on the macrumors.com main page on the right hand side - scroll allllll the way down to "other mac topics". this field just shows the latest posts from all forum sections.

But i do think it is EXTREMELY unfair to single out Folders for topics that aren't descriptive enough for him. there's a topic a day in one of the other sections that are far less descriptive, why single us out?

and "thanks for all the non-folders" ? are the "non-folders" having secret meetings regarding all the posts here?

i say get a grip Kyle?. its YOUR fault you don't know the topic is folding, not ours. if you click on a post, and the top of the page reads "Mac Forums > Mac Interests > Distributed Computing >" then there's about an 80% chance that the topic is Folding. Heaven forbid you might even learn something new.

[Dreadnought]

Got another (s)Tinker. Went awat a couple of days and gotten back it's almost finished :)
Furthermore I am getting a lot of small WU's that are only worth 11 to 18 points. I could be doing easily 180 points per day, but know I only have about 150 if I am lucky...

[Rower_CPU]

Let's take it easy on Kyle?, folks.

It would do everyone good to try to label threads better, DC forum included. Personally, I think "Tinker" in the title is indicative enough for people to know whether or not the thread applies to their DC project. So, let's leave the moderation to those who've been appointed to the task. ;)

[bousozoku]

Got another (s)Tinker. Went awat a couple of days and gotten back it's almost finished :)
Furthermore I am getting a lot of small WU's that are only worth 11 to 18 points. I could be doing easily 180 points per day, but know I only have about 150 if I am lucky...

I cry for your loss. :p

You could always trade machines with me and I would accept your terrible burden.

[bousozoku]

Let's take it easy on Kyle?, folks.

It would do everyone good to try to label threads better, DC forum included. Personally, I think "Tinker" in the title is indicative enough for people to know whether or not the thread applies to their DC project. So, let's leave the moderation to those who've been appointed to the task. ;)

Trust me, I wasn't being mean. I held back quite a bit, as usual. :D

[wdlove]

Like I said, all you need to look at is the 12th line or so that says "Arguments".

Your lists -advmethods, so you're fine. :)

Thank you Rower_CPU. ;) So if I understand correctly then, my programing is already set so that I will get a majority of Gromac WU's.

[kylos]

It's all right, folks. I only posted this here because this thread happened to be another that I clicked on from the main page and found to be about folding. Obviously there are many vague titles out there, but folding happens to be a common one since there are many threads about it. It's not really a mac topic. I'm only asking this as a courtesy. You might try some in your responses. This isn't a high school forum.

This isn't your fault and it's not mine. I visit through the front page because I don't have the time to visit the forums in depth, and the front page will group some unrelated topics. I tried folding before, but my ibook can't pull the load the way I use it. Work units have weird names, as do some computer programs and electronic devices and sometimes folding topics can sound like they are something else. This leads to confusion.

So maybe you don't want to bother to take the time to put a tag in the top of your title, something like fah, or f@h, or whatever. It's not that hard, but whatever. I can live with it. I'm not going to get upset about it if you don't want to. I was only asking as a favor, folks, not trying criticize or cause you to have a fit. Maybe this could be dealt with by the mods and admins anyway, by adding a heading on the main page. Whatever.

[Don't panic]

half of my processsors (3/6) are clogged by (s)tinkers.
boy are they slow.

p.s. so much for -advmethods
p.p.s. what does -forceasm do?

[Rower_CPU]

-advmethods can't guarantee Gromacs-only units - it just sets the preference. If Stanford wants people folding Tinkers, then that's what people fold. Period.

Here's a list of all the switches and their purposes:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding/console-userguide.html

[Vlade]

I think my DP 2GHZ G5 has them because my mac and PC's are really pumping out units like crazy and I am only at about 100 ppd (although a few units got lost :() when I should be at about 200... maybe in a few hours I will get a 142 point boost :)

Yippie, I just sent in 2 71 point tinkers so I think I am going to be rising about 150 ppd now :)

[Sparky's]

Easter Sunday 12:33 est I just got hamered with a Tinker (p638 70.9 points though). I'm gonna watch this one......
first time I quoted myself :rolleyes:

but it's now 10:15pm Monday... almost 34 hours and 50 frames done 350 to go,,, Tinker, Tinker, Tinker...reminds me of an Elf sitting on a rock with a little hammer just lazily tink, tink, tink, tink........

[mc68k]

tinkers are bad for stats, not the project...i don't see what the big deal is

a few gromacs over tinkers by proactive members isnt going to equal out to big changes over the long term

if they keep giving tinkers, then keep folding tinkers and forget about it

find something else to bitch about :rolleyes:

[bousozoku]

half of my processsors (3/6) are clogged by (s)tinkers.
boy are they slow.

p.s. so much for -advmethods
p.p.s. what does -forceasm do?

The -forceasm flag tells the process to ignore any crashes and continue to use optimisations.

[britboy]

-advmethods can't guarantee Gromacs-only units - it just sets the preference. If Stanford wants people folding Tinkers, then that's what people fold. Period.

Here's a list of all the switches and their purposes:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding/console-userguide.html

Ok, that's fine if you're running the cl client, but how do you ad switches when using the graphical client? I'm using XP computers for most of my folding, and prefer the graphical client as it just sits in the taskbar, annonymous and semi-hidden. I'd still like to be able to set the switches how I want. Can that be done via the command prompt? Is so, how?

[mc68k]

Ok, that's fine if you're running the cl client, but how do you ad switches when using the graphical client? I'm using XP computers for most of my folding, and prefer the graphical client as it just sits in the taskbar, annonymous and semi-hidden. I'd still like to be able to set the switches how I want. Can that be done via the command prompt? Is so, how?u can make a shortcut to the app, right-click on the shortcut, and after the path in "" put your switches

"C:\Documents and Settings\user\Desktop\Folding blah blah" -advmethods

i'm sure there's another way to do this....this way u can put the shortcut in the startup folder

[benpatient]

well, i finally got through that 400 frame monster, and now i've gotten 2 copies of p212_villinURE212 for 160 points a piece!

The dual 1.8 is ripping right through them...

[britboy]

u can make a shortcut to the app, right-click on the shortcut, and after the path in "" put your switches

"C:\Documents and Settings\user\Desktop\Folding blah blah" -advmethods

i'm sure there's another way to do this....this way u can put the shortcut in the startup folder


Ah yes, it works now. So simple when you know how :rolleyes:
Thanks very much.

[bousozoku]

well, i finally got through that 400 frame monster, and now i've gotten 2 copies of p212_villinURE212 for 160 points a piece!

The dual 1.8 is ripping right through them...

I've got one p212, so far, on my dual 800. However, I think the ripping is going the opposite way of your experience. :D

[benpatient]

oh, i bet...sorry to hear it...

if it makes you feel better, my other folder (a B&W G3) i still working on its first WU...Since i started my new user name on monday morning, I've gotten 480 pts from the G5 and 0 from the G3...

I hope it doesn't run out of time before it finishes a WU!!!

Poor little thing.

[Dreadnought]

well, i finally got through that 400 frame monster, and now i've gotten 2 copies of p212_villinURE212 for 160 points a piece!

The dual 1.8 is ripping right through them...

Also got a P212, and on my dual 1.8 it only takes 6 minutes per %, and that for 160 points, give me more of those babies!!!!!

[bousozoku]

Also got a P212, and on my dual 1.8 it only takes 6 minutes per %, and that for 160 points, give me more of those babies!!!!!

Mine is taking about 60 minutes per percent--about the same. :D I guess I should stop using the machine for several days because that will help it.

[jbeetz]

Can anyone tell me what's happening with this? It started at 12:33 and it's now 5:10 from what I see 0 out of 400 frames are completed. or does the "frames (5)" actually mean there are 5 finished? :confused:

Normally the (5) means that five are indeed finished. Unfortunately, I don't know much about InCrease (other than it magically appeared on my desktop after a 10.3 upgrade procedure :eek: ) so I don't know what they are showing. If you look at the raw log, you'll be able to tell.

(in terminal)

cd Library/Folding@home
cat FAHlog.txt

(lots of text swirls by, go back up to find out what's going on)

[bousozoku]

I finally got another (s)Tinker and it was taking 38 minutes per frame (not percent) on my dual G4/800. I just moved it over to the G3/800 to improve the speed, since it was going to finish on May 10th. If it's like previous (s)Tinkers, it will process about 7 percent faster on the G3.

It's processing at 33 minutes per frame on the G3 and the Gromacs WU that was on the G3 is taking 18 minutes vs. 28 minutes. It's fast enough to pay for the time spent moving things.

[Dreadnought]

Mine is taking about 60 minutes per percent--about the same. :D I guess I should stop using the machine for several days because that will help it.

Well, that was just one %. Other parts took a whole lot longer, so it did it in about one and a half day, still not bad :D

[bousozoku]

Well, that was just one %. Other parts took a whole lot longer, so it did it in about one and a half day, still not bad :D

Well, I've got two p638 WUs now and I'm all out of G3s. It's certainly good to be able to shove the one over there to save some time. When the one finishes on the G3, I suppose I'll move things around to speed the remainded of the other p638. That's only going to work if I don't get another p638 on the G3. :D The burden of doing the right thing, every time. :D

[Dreadnought]

Got another P212 villin, but 160 points.... come to daddy!!

[Sir Furry Mark]

Reading through this thread, I noticed your comments about the -advmethods and realised you are suffering from a common misconception.

This flag means that you are prepared to take late beta units, it is not a -gromacs flag! :D
Late betas are proteins that have been through Stanford's internal testing and have had provisional testing by the external beta testers, but may still have undiscovered problems i.e. this flag says "I am willing to try less stable units" For the last year or so, this flag normally meant that you get Gromacs as that was the latest core, but it is not a guarantee
(There was even talk of getting new Genome cores with this flag before that project was unexpectedly terminated)

The recent recalculation of scoring for Tinkers means they are now actually preferable (in most cases) for WIntel based systems - I'm not sure how the PPD rates work out on Macs. :confused:

Ultimately, Stanford will hand out work they want doing, not necessarily those units that score at the fastest rate. If everyone specifies -advmethods (as they appear to be doing) I suspect that the flag will eventually get ignored altogether :rolleyes:

[Sparky's]

I wouldn't know how to specify one unit over another at all! All I know is I just finished my second Tinker. It took 4 weeks to complete both (each just over 12 days). Scoring isn't important to me. Competition is all well and good but just knowing I am doing something good that may help in finding cures for certain illnesses makes me feel like I'm accomplishing something. Having survived colon cancer and 2 years later having my gallbladder removed (via the emergency room), I am proud to be a part of something that would allow others to avoid what I went through, and sad knowing there are those that won't survive in the meantime.

I just keep on Folding............
:cool: :cool: :p :cool: :D

[bousozoku]

My G3/800 just finished the second p638 that I had after 9+ days (originally on the dual G4/800), yet I've received no points for it. Now that's a pain. :eek:

[benpatient]

is it just me, or has the tinker storm started up again?

I've gotten 7 of the big nasty 400 framers THIS WEEK.

the poor old G3s aren't handling them very well, either.

My production has fallen off sharply this week as a result...grr.

[arogge]

is it just me, or has the tinker storm started up again?
I've gotten 7 of the big nasty 400 framers THIS WEEK.
the poor old G3s aren't handling them very well, either.
My production has fallen off sharply this week as a result...grr.

There's another flood of p638 units, but Gromacs units p563 and p909 are also received frequently. If you want to use TINKER and not have to wait as long for work units to finish:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118,00.html :cool:

[Dreadnought]

Yes, I have the same...

[benpatient]

my athlon XP 2500+ (running at 3200+) ;) is currently without any sort of internet connection, and will likely stay that way until broadband connection costs come down some more, or my day of defeat withdrawl kicks in too hard (which will probably require a little boost of HL2 online envy to push it over the edge). Then I'll start using the athlon, too, and not have to worry so much about tinkers.

[bousozoku]

I've got one p638 and one p680 now. My last p638 on the G3 didn't give me any points, but oh well, it was only 10+ days. :D :( :eek:

[pinto32]

My poor Pentium III (I dont like to leave my iBook on all the time) is due to finish its current tinker Sunday night, for a total of 8 days of chugging.

Last night, I started folding on my parents Dell. It did a quick gromac, and is now chugging along on its own tinker...oh the joy....

[Dreadnought]

my athlon XP 2500+ (running at 3200+) ;) is currently without any sort of internet connection, and will likely stay that way until broadband connection costs come down some more.

Well, it's time to get internet through the phone! It's all for a greater good :D

[benpatient]

ha. i took the modem out of that computer after about a week because my friend needed one and i had cable. didn't make sense to buy another one...i could ask for it back, but that would be mean.

[Dreadnought]

No, that would not be mean, it is all for a greater good :D
But I see your point, he may keep the modem if he starts folding for you ;)

[benpatient]

well, there's another detail i forgot to mention...the guy i gave that modem to is currently in the process of one of those slow, painful moves where you pay weekly rent for 3 months waiting for a house to move into, and his stuff is all in storage, computer included.

[bousozoku]

well, there's another detail i forgot to mention...the guy i gave that modem to is currently in the process of one of those slow, painful moves where you pay weekly rent for 3 months waiting for a house to move into, and his stuff is all in storage, computer included.

So, all this time, you could be using the modem.

How do most people do without a computer? :eek:

[Sparky's]

xcuse me lets not get off topic here. We're talkin Tinkers!! and I just got my 3rd after 3 weeks of decent Gromacs, BAM a 638 hit me. I'll get back in 2 weeks when it's done :(

[bousozoku]

xcuse me lets not get off topic here. We're talkin Tinkers!! and I just got my 3rd after 3 weeks of decent Gromacs, BAM a 638 hit me. I'll get back in 2 weeks when it's done :(

Yessir! <salutes>

I've got two p638s and one p680 right now. By Sunday, two will probably be done.

[Dreadnought]

also have two 638's....

[kaylee]

I have just finished a tinker i've had since the beginning of may (worth 128 points!). The next one is a gromacs (p568_BBA5_N), which i should have done by the end of tomorrow at the latest.

[Dreadnought]

also have two 638's....

Yeah isn't it nice when they are returned after 2.5 days of hard work and you get all those points. And then get a few gromacs that you can do easily in a couple of hours... POINTS POINTS POINTS!!!

[bousozoku]

Two of the Tinkers are gone now, replaced by Gromacs WUs and I'm 300+ points up. It doesn't seem so bad as it did 10 days ago. :( :D :eek:

[Dreadnought]

10 DAYS!!!! :eek:

[krimson]

just got one, 6/400 completed after 1 day.. ill be done in 2 months :D

[LethalWolfe]

two of my three computers folding have Tinkers :(


Lethal

[krimson]

got one of my PB on saturday.. that's going to take forever..

[aus_dave]

I've had two tinkers in the last few days. The workload has been evened out as they alternated between each processor :D.

[Dreadnought]

It seems like Tinkers are more evened distributed now, instead of every couple of months a Tinkerstorm.

[brap]

my athlon XP 2500+ (running at 3200+) ... not have to worry so much about tinkers.
I got a Tinker as my first on this new CPU (2800+ Barton... at 2800+, it's bloody HOT!). Took about 3 days on-and-off.

[RazzTheFrog]

Hey All! Just joined a couple of days ago to team MacRumors and already am getting clogged up with a couple of tinkers. My PB is slowly going after it now for about a good 2 days and about 50% done. I'm glad to be part of the team and hope that even the small non 635ghz contribution will help... great job Jethroted! I look forward to any tips/suggestions thta can help out a newbie to the forums and to folding. :D