iPhone 3.0 Copy and Paste Described [Archive]

ckelley

Mar 15, 2009, 12:58 PM

Last night I attended the Live Diggnation event in Austin, Texas at SXSW, where Kevin Rose confirmed through his sources that iPhone 3.0 would have Copy and Paste.

He said it worked like this... you would press and hold a word and a Magnifier type bubble would appear with quotes around the word. Move the quotes around what you want selected and then you can press Copy.

Also confirmed no MMS for this release.

Confirmed that there would be no background apps, but he says that what Apple has coming will wipe away any advantages that Palm has touted with its Pre handheld.

Also confirmed no video due to a hardware limitation with the NAND memory that Apple uses. The amount of writing and IO to the memory could cause issue with the phone hardware, so it's out of the question.

You can see this all on the Diggnation that will air next week.

Rat-Boy

Mar 15, 2009, 01:02 PM

koollectablz

Mar 15, 2009, 01:03 PM

It will air next week?

Useful, considering we'll see exactly what 3.0 has coming on Tuesday anyway.

ckelley

Mar 15, 2009, 01:03 PM

Where is the +more part?

Seems like he is saying all the rumored stuff is NOT coming to the new firmware.

Sorry, maybe that's not the proper way to say it, I just wanted to get the point across that there was more info in this than just him confirming Copy & Paste.

Seems like he is saying all the rumored stuff is NOT coming to the new firmware.

I mean, they surely are not going to go from 2.2 to 3.0 and only bring Copy and friggin Paste to the table?

Right?

People in the crowd were yelling out features, so he answered the big ones... like MMS and Video and Background Applications... he didn't have any other insight into it, but I'm pretty sure that Apple has more in store for us on Tuesday than just Copy and Paste, they don't usually make big point releases without them (again, usually don't...)

bigchief

Mar 15, 2009, 01:11 PM

Sorry, maybe that's not the proper way to say it, I just wanted to get the point across that there was more info in this than just him confirming Copy & Paste.

Sounds like your going to have to purchase the 2009 iphone this summer to get more than copy and paste.

sushi

Mar 15, 2009, 01:14 PM

fishkorp

Mar 15, 2009, 01:20 PM

Would you please clarify what you mean by videos. Confused.

TIA.

He means video recording.

plumbingandtech

Mar 15, 2009, 01:25 PM

Kevin Rose?

Google how wrong he has been about the iphone before.

Then continue to ignore Kevin Rose on this and other matters...

:rolleyes:

nfl46

Mar 15, 2009, 01:48 PM

Heck, at least he's not the only one with high expectation. I believe we'll only get one of those things (Copy & Paste). Probably no MMS, no video...and probably background in June/July when the phone comes out. They probably won't mention it next week...but we shall see.

Apple always disappoint me, so my expectations are LOW.

uiop.

Mar 15, 2009, 01:50 PM

Kevin Rose?

Google how wrong he has been about the iphone before.

Then continue to ignore Kevin Rose on this and other matters...

:rolleyes:

Try seeing how many things he has correctly stated. Many things.

orrelse44

Mar 15, 2009, 01:52 PM

Kevin Rose?

Google how wrong he has been about the iphone before.

Then continue to ignore Kevin Rose on this and other matters...

:rolleyes:

What planet do you live on? His last prediction was dead nuts, right on.

- Revamp of entire iPod line.
- Small cosmetic changes to Touch, Nano to see significant redesign (see pic).
- iPods to see fairly large price drops to distance itself from the $199 iPhone.
- iPod touch 2.1 software, iPhone to get update very soon after.
- iTunes 8.0 ("it's a big update w/new features").

abrooks

Mar 15, 2009, 01:53 PM

Kevin Rose?

Google how wrong he has been about the iphone before.

Then continue to ignore Kevin Rose on this and other matters...

:rolleyes:

But very accurate about the iPod nano.

randomusername

Mar 15, 2009, 01:58 PM

Gizmodo is saying that Rose said no MMS and video, but did not say that background applications was a definite no. Either they left that part out or it's not a part of the rumor.

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 01:59 PM

Kevin Rose?

Google how wrong he has been about the iphone before.

Then continue to ignore Kevin Rose on this and other matters...

:rolleyes:

He's been right and wrong, but lately he's been very right. Like when he told us days in advance about the new genius features in iTunes, or when he modeled what the new iPod nano would look like. I'm going to believe him on this one, especially since the way he said copy and paste would work wasn't awkward like other concept designs or even the jailbroken method.

itsjustmeee

Mar 15, 2009, 02:01 PM

Copy and paste would be great. Video recording would be nice, but I really just want to see some of the basics that this phone should've had in the first place like voice dialing. The apps for this are a waste of time. If I'm going to 1. Open a voice dialing app, 2. take the phone out of it's holder in the car and put it up to my mouth, 3. Say a name and then 90% of the time have to pick one of 3 different choices, I'll just go to my contact list instead. I miss my old Blackberry Curve and the "Say a command" voice coming through my bluetooth in my car so much every single time I have to make a call. Seems to me there's a real potential for a liability case there. We HAVE to use bluetooth while driving and the most advanced phone around has to have a number of steps that make you have to take your eyes off of the road for a call?...... crazy!

brendon2020

Mar 15, 2009, 02:15 PM

can't wait for copy and paste, would be nice to see a performance increase.

ruinfx

Mar 15, 2009, 02:19 PM

so lets recap:

-iphone 3.0 = palm pre features
-iphone 3.0 will supposedly not have mms or video recording

yea, that makes sense. :rolleyes:

Mintin8

Mar 15, 2009, 02:21 PM

Copy and Paste will be nice but by the sound of it, i'm not to sure how it works. Can you go into more detail about it? What if we need to copy more than just a quote.
Will this be possible?

dissdnt

Mar 15, 2009, 02:33 PM

Guess we'll know Tuesday folks!

ViPa

Mar 15, 2009, 02:46 PM

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 02:49 PM

lostprophet894

Mar 15, 2009, 02:53 PM

this is crap..they arent gonna jump from 2.2.1 to 3.0 just for c/p..last time they went from 1.x.x to 2.0 and we got an appstore, which was HUGE..this update will be much bigger than just copy/paste (which is seemingly big for apple at this stage, but thats besides the point)

Agreed. I think we're going to see a significant tweak to the UI (not a completely new one, mind you) to help manage apps better. As has been said before, swiping from screen to screen is just not efficient. I see some sort of folder system being implemented to up the limit on the number of apps that can be installed.

Beyond that, my crystal ball is blank. Personally, C&P is a luxury I can live without. Same with flash and video recording and many other feature people continuously cry over. Give me something fresh that I don't see coming. I'll be happy with that.

d wade

Mar 15, 2009, 02:54 PM

i have video recording (Cycorder) and Copy & Paste (Clippy) on my iPhone right now

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 02:56 PM

i have video recording (Cycorder) and Copy & Paste right now (Clippy) on my iPhone right now

Wow! That's amazing! Is it because you jailbroke your phone? Something entirely new that no one has ever heard of?!??! You're so cool! OMGBBQ

(Apple's implementation of copy/paste sounds much better than clippy)

t0mat0

Mar 15, 2009, 03:24 PM

Surely they could at least give a better sensor, so Kyte, Qik etc could work?

Sounds a lame excuse.

MacRumors

Mar 15, 2009, 03:34 PM

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/15/iphone-3-0-copy-and-paste-described/)

During a live taping of Diggnation (http://revision3.com/diggnation/), Kevin Rose revealed details about the expected "Copy and Paste" functionality coming in iPhone 3.0. World of Apple reports (http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2009/03/15/kevin-rose-weighs-in-on-iphone-os-30/) on the event with a link to a video (http://www.viddler.com/explore/djsteen/videos/762/) of the moment (warning: strong language).

According to Rose, to invoke Copy and Paste, you simply double tap on the word, and a magnifier bubble will appear with two quotes that you can drag around the selection. Once you make your selection, you can copy, paste or cut. Rose has been accurate in the past with details about upcoming Apple product revisions. As well, we have also heard (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/13/iphone-3-0-to-get-mms-tethering-and-finally-copy-and-paste/) that Copy and Paste will be arriving in 3.0 alongside a much improved homepage/springboard with the ability to organize in categories.

Apple will be revealing iPhone 3.0 in detail on Tuesday, March 17th at a special media event.

Article Link: iPhone 3.0 Copy and Paste Described (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/15/iphone-3-0-copy-and-paste-described/)

Masquerade

Mar 15, 2009, 03:35 PM

He said it worked like this... you would press and hold a word and a Magnifier type bubble would appear with quotes around the word. Move the quotes around what you want selected and then you can press Copy.

Also confirmed no MMS for this release.

Confirmed that there would be no background apps, but he says that what Apple has coming will wipe away any advantages that Palm has touted with its Pre handheld.

WHAT? NO PUDDING! (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Braindead)

iCantwait

Mar 15, 2009, 03:35 PM

huurrah, c&p ftw

Coroe

Mar 15, 2009, 03:39 PM

Now please release the new iPhone at the 24th and I'll be all over it. After just having bought a MacBook I just can't wait for teh mighty iPhone.

sphoenix

Mar 15, 2009, 03:39 PM

About time.

kitch95

Mar 15, 2009, 03:39 PM

Finally! I have recently been noticing how much I want/need it

Mykbibby

Mar 15, 2009, 03:39 PM

gt1948

Mar 15, 2009, 03:39 PM

Who cares????? copy and paste? Whats the big deal unless the iPhone is your only means of communicating I guess.

who the freak is Kevin Rose?:confused:

nfl46

Mar 15, 2009, 03:41 PM

They would give us Copy & Paste now, after we've gotten Clippy! Get the f... Apple! All that hard work put into Clippy and they give it to us. I think Apple is watching jailbrake developers or something. Next, they'll give us Turn by Turn, after xGPS have put so much work into it. smh. Typical Apple!

abhimat.gautam

Mar 15, 2009, 03:42 PM

Yay! Copy and Paste! Now I want to see how well Apple implements it.

jackfrost123

Mar 15, 2009, 03:43 PM

Who cares????? copy and paste? Whats the big deal unless the iPhone is your only means of communicating I guess.

who the freak is Kevin Rose?:confused:

Exactly. they name drop him as if we should know him, he's the guy who with others is behind the site digg. Great accomplishment...

Rose has been accurate in the past with details about upcoming Apple product revisions.

This is not true, he more often than not has been wrong, this should say, he has sometimes been accurate. He throws a lot of darts he is supposed to hit some...

t22design

Mar 15, 2009, 03:45 PM

Double tapping to select a word. It will be interesting to see how that affects zooming in Safari.

wkw

Mar 15, 2009, 03:45 PM

yay! I will use this all the time

tufaw

Mar 15, 2009, 03:46 PM

Amazing if it's true. Next up: xMac?

Jay42

Mar 15, 2009, 03:46 PM

Exactly. they name drop him as if we should know him, he's the guy who with others is behind the site digg. Great accomplishment...

This is not true, he more often than not has been wrong, this should say, he has sometimes been accurate. He throws a lot of darts he is supposed to hit some...

A). Kevin Rose is one of the prominent names in the Web 2.0 world. You may not have heard about him but most people that keep up on tech news have. Let's keep the name of this site in mind here (ie the second word).

B). Kevin usually has better inside information than most analysts. Lets keep the R in MR in mind here.

statik13

Mar 15, 2009, 03:48 PM

Yay! Half way there to making the iPhone into a decent PDA. Now just give us system wide search ability and a way to sync notes back and fourth with the desktop.

poppe

Mar 15, 2009, 03:48 PM

I wonder if I'll be able to copy and paste an address in my address book and then send it via text or emiail... I hope I hope I hope.

Luke1robb

Mar 15, 2009, 03:48 PM

As well, we have also heard (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/13/iphone-3-0-to-get-mms-tethering-and-finally-copy-and-paste/) that Copy and Paste will be arriving in 3.0 alongside a much improved homepage/springboard with the ability to organize in categories.

What is this about the homepage and springboard? We haven't heard much about this? Arn, are you hinting on something we are not privy to yet?

mrtune

Mar 15, 2009, 03:50 PM

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I'm actually kind of disappointed... It's kind of fun listening to everyone whine about copy and paste. What will people complain about now?

No worries, there's still plenty of whining to go around. The whiners will always whine, lol

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 03:51 PM

Gah! Hopefully they'll release the software on Tuesday as a sort of way to apologize for the ridiculously late push notification system instead of just announcing it.

Bigdaddyguido

Mar 15, 2009, 03:51 PM

I don't understand, how does it know your not trying to zoom in?

neiltc13

Mar 15, 2009, 03:51 PM

Kevin Rose also described an iPhone with multiple batteries and a slide out keyboard.

OS X Dude

Mar 15, 2009, 03:53 PM

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I'm actually kind of disappointed... It's kind of fun listening to everyone whine about copy and paste. What will people complain about now?

There's plenty - lack of MMS (currently, probably in 3.0 too), Bluetooth file transfer, tethering (again, probably in 3.0) and video recording.

Jay42

Mar 15, 2009, 03:53 PM

Kevin Rose also described an iPhone with multiple batteries and a slide out keyboard.

I think he's smarter than to listen to that source twice. He's an apple fan and stockholder, too after all.

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 03:53 PM

Kevin Rose also described an iPhone with multiple batteries and a slide out keyboard.

and the iPhone genius feature and a detailed (accurate) list of changes to the iPod line.

11800506

Mar 15, 2009, 03:53 PM

Some of Rose's info has been shaky in the past, but it's also been pretty accurate as well, like his leak about iTunes 8.0 and Genius. Regardless, it the rumor is true, that sounds like an fairly sound implementation of copy and paste. Let's just hope that a new Springboard and c & p aren't the only new features.

MistaBungle

Mar 15, 2009, 03:54 PM

Maybe they got rid of the double tap safari for strictly pinch/expand?

kornyboy

Mar 15, 2009, 03:55 PM

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I think that this is a really good way to implement copy/paste if it proves to be true. Let's just hope that Apple keeps it in there and doesn't pull it at the last minute before the release like they have done with some things.

Andrew K.

Mar 15, 2009, 03:55 PM

Who cares????? copy and paste? Whats the big deal unless the iPhone is your only means of communicating I guess.

who the freak is Kevin Rose?:confused:

Who is KEVIN ROSE?! R u kidding me? He is the CEO and founder of digg.com and co-founded revision 3 which is now apart of Cnet.

ebrunn

Mar 15, 2009, 03:56 PM

This is not true, he more often than not has been wrong, this should say, he has sometimes been accurate. He throws a lot of darts he is supposed to hit some...

Yeah, the only thing he was right about was that nano that came out that someone had send him picture of.

mrkgoo

Mar 15, 2009, 03:56 PM

Maybe they got rid of the double tap safari for strictly pinch/expand?

Double tapping to select a word. It will be interesting to see how that affects zooming in Safari.

One of the things people don't think about when considering text selection. Safari sues a lot of gestures to that could otherwise be used. I imagine the text selection is like a double-tap-hold. Much like holding in a text field to bring up the magnifier. Double-tap-hold until the magnifier comes up. Then drag to select.

myca

Mar 15, 2009, 03:57 PM

No worries, there's still plenty of whining to go around. The whiners will always whine, lol

I've got a feeling that I'll be whining, my current phone contract runs out in about 3 months so I'll get an iPhone (my trusty 2G iPod is also on it's last legs god rest it's soul), I've got a horrible feeling that an update will be coming just after I plan on getting one.

If that happens I'm gonna join the 'They've released new hardware, now mine is obsolete' crowd :p

The General

Mar 15, 2009, 03:58 PM

Maybe they got rid of the double tap safari for strictly pinch/expand?

God, I hope not. I rely on double tap for Safari and Maps.

Pinch/expand are only good for photos. Everything else should be optimized levels of zoom, or zoom to fit what I double tapped on to the screen.

Pinching and expanding in Maps should be disabled, Google maps are raster images designed for specific levels of zoom, it looks like garbage if they aren't being displayed dot for dot.

Snide

Mar 15, 2009, 03:59 PM

Maybe they got rid of the double tap safari for strictly pinch/expand?

That would be utterly inexcusable!

I almost never use pinch; double-tap is so much faster and easier to use...

The General

Mar 15, 2009, 03:59 PM

Who is KEVIN ROSE?! R u kidding me? He is the CEO and founder of digg.com and co-founded revision 3 which is now apart of Cnet.

He's not the CEO. Jay Adelson is the CEO.

derryquinn

Mar 15, 2009, 04:00 PM

I've got a feeling that I'll be whining, my current phone contract runs out in about 3 months so I'll get an iPhone (my trusty 2G iPod is also on it's last legs god rest it's soul), I've got a horrible feeling that an update will be coming just after I plan on getting one.

If that happens I'm gonna join the 'They've released new hardware, now mine is obsolete' crowd :p

Hold off till may/june time, chances are that history will repeat itself.

Just use a crappy phone you have lying around in the meantime :)

pohl

Mar 15, 2009, 04:01 PM

Wow, I've often wondered what it would be like if people were as whiny in a real group as they often are in online forums. That Diggnation video (both the audience and the douchebag on the left) gives me a clear depiction.

neverbuyapc

Mar 15, 2009, 04:01 PM

Yup. He's correct. I just recieved a tip for my friend at apple saying that Kevin was right and copy and paste will really come out in 3.0 :D She doesn't usually tip me off but she said that everyone already knows it but I just wanted to let you guys know that Kevin is right on track.

ntrigue

Mar 15, 2009, 04:01 PM

Double tapping to select a word. It will be interesting to see how that affects zooming in Safari.

This was my immediate concern. Perhaps two fingertips performing a double-tap? If you look at the Shuffle 3G Apple isn't afraid to tap and click to get results.

Melan

Mar 15, 2009, 04:03 PM

"KEVIN! KEVIIIN!! COPY AND PASTE! KEVIIIN! KEVIN! PUSH, KEVIN!!!!"

Never seen people get excited about the idea of "copy and paste" before.

niklasaas

Mar 15, 2009, 04:03 PM

I am very HAPPY about this news

afd

Mar 15, 2009, 04:03 PM

Or simply...the address bar??

I tried that one, was none the wiser. Don't think I need to go back to Digg.com

sflocal

Mar 15, 2009, 04:05 PM

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I'm actually kind of disappointed... It's kind of fun listening to everyone whine about copy and paste. What will people complain about now?

Fear not Grasshopper. There are plenty of people (whiners) on this forum living in their parent's basement that will always continue to whine about something Apple.;)

MistaBungle

Mar 15, 2009, 04:06 PM

I hope I wasn't misunderstood. I don't want them to take out, nor do I think they did, double tap. It was merely me trying to explain how it could work without actually thinking. I agree with the doubletaphold method. Can't wait to try it!

Melan

Mar 15, 2009, 04:06 PM

I can see the double word tap only working in stuff like Safari if you are as zoomed in as you can be using double-tap (would make sense, you want to be close up to choose words anyway)
If not, I imagine copy/paste would only work on editable documents in other apps (eg in notes, evernote, mail, etc)

fastbite

Mar 15, 2009, 04:06 PM

Sorry, I must be an idiot, but I still don't get it: if you "double tap" it's going to Zoom In -- double tap and hold? Regardless, bring it on. I, like many others, need it.

The General

Mar 15, 2009, 04:07 PM

1Zach1

Mar 15, 2009, 04:09 PM

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I'm actually kind of disappointed... It's kind of fun listening to everyone whine about copy and paste. What will people complain about now?

No MMS, no file access, no video, no auto focus, no Flash, no..etc etc... Don't worry, whining will continue probably increase now actually.

ebrunn

Mar 15, 2009, 04:10 PM

In addition Rose said that MMS and video recording would not be present in this release nor the ability to run background applications.

Finally Rose made a mention the Palm Pre and how Apple will match all the features of the handset.

Well to do that, it would need MMS, and background apps.:rolleyes:

solipsism

Mar 15, 2009, 04:11 PM

I don't understand, how does it know your not trying to zoom in?

It will probably be a double-tap then hold to enact c/p.

I think the MagicPad developers have done an excellent job of detailing how Apple will probably do it and why it's not so easy as some people think it should be...• http://magicpad.proximi.com/video.php

plumbingandtech

Mar 15, 2009, 04:12 PM

"Dual battery iphone" Kevin Rose strikes again,

Copy and paste?

ZOMG! He's an iNostrodomus!

thanks for that safe bit of obviousness there kev...

:rolleyes:

arn

Mar 15, 2009, 04:15 PM

Copy and paste?

thanks for that safe bit of obviousness there...
:

Seeing as we're almost 2 years into the iPhone's release, I don't think "obvious" and "copy and paste" can be used together when describing an iPhone version update. If it was obvious, it would have been there in 1.0.

And despite all the Kevin Rose hate here, he's been accurate enough to get credit here which, of course, pisses off his detractors. The other thing is that we've also heard copy/paste is coming in 3.0, so seems pretty likely overall.

arn

Eminemdrdre00

Mar 15, 2009, 04:17 PM

Exactly. they name drop him as if we should know him, he's the guy who with others is behind the site digg. Great accomplishment...

HUGE accomplishment actually...Every news site on the web these days have "digg" buttons...including this one! Plus he started Revision3 (#1 internet TV channel), as well as Pownce (which recently got aquired) and now WeFollow.com

NoSmokingBandit

Mar 15, 2009, 04:17 PM

I love how some people complain about apple adding features! The iphone is not perfect! It can be improved, if not we wouldnt have this update. Adding copy/paste is something that should have been done a long time ago, so catching up now is a good thing. Sure, people will always complain about something, but thats how products get better. If everyone accepted every device as perfect right out of the factory why would they feel a need to send out updates?

On a side note, should we start taking bets on how long it will take for 3.0 to be jailbroken?

diamond.g

Mar 15, 2009, 04:17 PM

Seeing as we're almost 2 years into the iPhone's release, I don't think "obvious" and "copy and paste" can be used together. If it was obvious, it would have been there in 1.0.

And despite all the Kevin Rose hate here, he's been accurate enough to get credit here which, of course, pisses off his detractors. The other thing is that we've also heard copy/paste is coming, so seems pretty likely overall.

arn

Any comments on his (kevin) being told the 3.0 release is supposed to remove any advantage the Palm Pré was supposed to have?

plumbingandtech

Mar 15, 2009, 04:17 PM

Hit and miss.

If it had been anyone else with a simple blog I doubt it would be on the front page of MacRumors.

Big time doubt that.

Seeing as we're almost 2 years into the iPhone's release, I don't think "obvious" and "copy and paste" can be used together when describing an iPhone version update. If it was obvious, it would have been there in 1.0.

I disagree completely. The most asked feature not being a part of the 3.0 update? and for 1 out of the 2 years it; there was the base apps, no third party apps meant not a lot of a need for c & p.

Now with 3rd party apps over the past year, there is a much bigger need.

lakaiordie

Mar 15, 2009, 04:23 PM

landscape sms?
ichat?

i hope...

puckhead193

Mar 15, 2009, 04:23 PM

at least i'm not the only kevin rose hater here. And to think he made millions off of digg

luigi408

Mar 15, 2009, 04:24 PM

If no Background Apps im going to be pissed. They promised that about a year ago. :mad:

arn

Mar 15, 2009, 04:24 PM

I disagree completely. The most asked feature not being a part of the 3.0 update?

The point here is that you are dismissing it as "obvious" which means you are suggesting that Kevin Rose made it up or otherwise made this "obvious" prediction that requires no inside knowledge. I don't believe you actually think that, but are saying it because you don't like Kevin Rose for whatever reason.

If, however, you truly believe that, then you also believe that he made up the implementation details (double tap, bring up quotes to choose selection). And I guess that will likely prove it one way or another on Tuesday.

arn

pohl

Mar 15, 2009, 04:24 PM

Having met them both, I would say the douchebag is on the right... ;)

If that's the guy who took everything that was wrong about slashdot and created a site to amplify it, I'd say he merits "douche nozzle".

Saladinos

Mar 15, 2009, 04:27 PM

Seeing as we're almost 2 years into the iPhone's release, I don't think "obvious" and "copy and paste" can be used together when describing an iPhone version update. If it was obvious, it would have been there in 1.0.

And despite all the Kevin Rose hate here, he's been accurate enough to get credit here which, of course, pisses off his detractors. The other thing is that we've also heard copy/paste is coming in 3.0, so seems pretty likely overall.

arn

Agree with Arn here. When I read this, my immediate reaction was that Rose was a reliable source. He's usually much better with details than most sources (see: iPod nano, iTunes 8). I don't get why people think he's not credible.

And who cares if he's credible? This is copy-and-damn-paste! This is the single most feature everybody has asked for since the first iPhone - it's the staple lacking department people use to bitch about the iPhone. It's finally being done. Why aren't you guys happy? I am!

techmonkey

Mar 15, 2009, 04:28 PM

WTF?

How is copy/paste a feature added by a hardware revision? So people with iPhone 1 & 2 wont have copy/paste?

plumbingandtech

Mar 15, 2009, 04:28 PM

The point here is that you are dismissing it as "obvious" which means you are suggesting that Kevin Rose made it up or otherwise made this "obvious" prediction that requires no inside knowledge. I don't believe you actually think that, but are saying it because you don't like Kevin Rose for whatever reason.

If, however, you truly believe that, then you also believe that he made up the implementation details (double tap, bring up quotes to choose selection). And I guess that will likely prove it one way or another on Tuesday.

arn

False dichotomy. i think he gets lots a rumors fed to him, that he is a LOUSY filter (see dual battery iphone) and that he will spout out what he hears for more attention to his sites etc.. since what does he have to lose? if he picks C & p and apple does not announce it on tues, people will still post about his rumors even after being wrong about the iphone before, pretty darn badly.

But, Tues we will see i agree with that.

I predict:

copy and paste

AND

better battery life!

I am so starting a rumor site..

roberry82

Mar 15, 2009, 04:28 PM

I feel like a little kid a couple days before Christmas or my birthday or something. I can't take this anymore. I forgot what it was like to get this feeling from Apple! How am I going to react in June?! AAAHHH!!!! :apple:

1Zach1

Mar 15, 2009, 04:31 PM

WTF?

How is copy/paste a feature added by a hardware revision? So people with iPhone 1 & 2 wont have copy/paste?

It's the 3.0 software not hardware so users of the older IPhones should be able to have the function but you never really know with Apple it seems.

iWizzard

Mar 15, 2009, 04:32 PM

Let me make sure I understand this.

Copy and Paste? Check.

MMS? Nope.

Video? Nope.

Background Apps? Nope.

So where on earth is the "+more" part?

Seems like he is saying all the rumored stuff is NOT coming to the new firmware.

I mean, they surely are not going to go from 2.2 to 3.0 and only bring Copy and friggin Paste to the table?

Right?

It is only version 0.3 so you have to wait until apple "invent" video capture on a mobile device. May in a year or two you can have things like IM and the ability to send pictures to your friends non smart mobile.

jmadlena

Mar 15, 2009, 04:32 PM

If no Background Apps im going to be pissed. They promised that about a year ago. :mad:

No, they promised a notification server for apps so they would appear to the end user to be running in the background. And it wasn't a year ago, only 7ish (correct me if I'm wrong) months ago. I will agree that it is still a ridiculously long time.

Povilas

Mar 15, 2009, 04:36 PM

If Apple will continue to deliver one basic feature at release they will hit the wall with sales. It's not the question of how often feature is used, it just has to be implemented. Steve talked about baby software on the other smartphones ant yet baby software is what he has delivered. No Copy/Paste, no A2DP, no normal bluetoth capabilities, Mail should be better, app managment and etc.,

Hope 3.0 release will prove me wrong.

philnz

Mar 15, 2009, 04:38 PM

just putting the idea out there.
Whats about stacks on the iphone. Could help categorize apps?

A games stack.
A Utilities stack.
A free apps that I will only use once stack :D?

j-a-x

Mar 15, 2009, 04:40 PM

TexanMan05

Mar 15, 2009, 04:44 PM

rotlex

Mar 15, 2009, 04:47 PM

Why do people care so much about MMS? MMS sucks. I'd rather send an email or an image link in an IM (via Beejive) or post a photo to Flickr than send a MMS message.

I remember back in Canada with Roger's MMS messages cost me like $0.50 each!

Agree on that. I just don't get the need or want for MMS at ALL. Seriously, e-mail works. So you have to send a pic that's so important it can't wait for your friend without phone e-mail access to get home and look at it? LOL.

C&P would be OK, but the only thing I'd really like to see is a real GPS app, whether it be built in or finally an "allowable" add on app.

sbrhwkp3

Mar 15, 2009, 04:50 PM

I'm getting really ****ing sick of not having MMS... :mad:

BTW

Mar 15, 2009, 04:51 PM

So from this rumor it sounds as if the 3rd gen iPhone won't be a major leap in hardware that we all expect.

joemama

Mar 15, 2009, 04:52 PM

Do you guys honestly think Apple is going to hold a press conference/news event to announce JUST copy & paste? Maybe even a new folder structure, and that's it?

Even if Apple also announces the rumored Premium App Store too, it would still be a lame-duck even that would lower Apple's stock.

They wouldn't do that. Apple will announce some other features. Part of the reason they are doing this is to get potential phone switchers who's contracts are up to "hold off" until the summer.

I know I am.

sbrhwkp3

Mar 15, 2009, 04:52 PM

Agree on that. I just don't get the need or want for MMS at ALL. Seriously, e-mail works. So you have to send a pic that's so important it can't wait for your friend without phone e-mail access to get home and look at it? LOL.

C&P would be OK, but the only thing I'd really like to see is a real GPS app, whether it be built in or finally an "allowable" add on app.

I don't want to have to collect all of my friends' emails. It's way more convenient to be able to just send it to the phone number, and they can do what they want with it.

The fact of the matter is, it's a useful feature that has been a standard on camera phones for a while now, and it's pathetic to think the world's most advanced smart phone can't even do it.

Just ****ing bring it to the iPhone already you jerk offs. :mad:

Stuart in Oz

Mar 15, 2009, 04:53 PM

Kevin Rose dd not say that MMS was not in the release.

When the audience started firing questions about specific features at him he said that he didn't know about MMS and that he'd been told that this release would wipe away all of the Pre's advantages.

Take 3 minutes and watch the video that Arn posted (http://www.viddler.com/explore/djsteen/videos/762/) on the front page.

nerdish

Mar 15, 2009, 04:54 PM

I'm more than happy with just Copy and Paste, but i dont see the need for "3.0", why not just go to "2.3"?

I'm glad there will be no MMS, its such a dated way of sending images, you have unlimited data with the iPhone for crying out loud (well at least here in the UK) so why the need for MMS when you can send images by email or upload to twitpic or flickr?

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I'm actually kind of disappointed... It's kind of fun listening to everyone whine about copy and paste. What will people complain about now?

I will be complaining about SMS until they sort out the way they are displayed, that 'chat' format is foul, a more email like system would be excellent so i can forward messages and delete certain texts instead of wiping the whole convo!

solipsism

Mar 15, 2009, 04:55 PM

I got tired of waiting so I just went ahead and JailBroke it. Amazing stuff!

-Copy and Paste (Check)
-Video Recording (Check)
-MMS (Check)
-Apps run in the Background, such as IM or Pandora (Check)
-Awesome themes and customization (Check)
-Folders to organize so that you don't have a 9 page jumble of random apps (Check)

Apple rocks for inventing the iPhone but the software development team is not taking advantage of its capabilities. The Palm Pre was very attractive until I went ahead and jailbroke it.

To anyway who says Jailbreaking doesn't count, yes it does because it is easy to do, DOES NOT SLOW THE iPhone DOWN (no matter what anyone says.. there is even video to prove it is just as fast), and it allows for almost endless possibilities.

In other words...
-Poorly implemented Copy and Paste (Check)
-Low framerate, ****** video recording (Check)
-Poorly implemented MMS (Check)
-Battery draining, resource hogging background apps (Check)

I appreciate the attempt and have jailbroken every iPhone version, but the items you've mentioned are like many other smartphones: the feature is added to impress some geeks with your spec list, but they aren't implemented well.

These last two I do give you as an actual benefit, but the setup needs to be slicker. For starters, folder and icon organization needs to have an option to be done via the iTunes to make it quick and simple
-Awesome themes and customization (Check)
-Folders to organize so that you don't have a 9 page jumble of random apps (Check)

fastbite

Mar 15, 2009, 04:56 PM

dagamer34

Mar 15, 2009, 04:56 PM

Recently Kevin's been a lot more conservative in what he says because his previous rumors have been false. And he always prefaces his remarks with "it could be false."

I wish people wouldn't believe what everyone else says as if it's truth. The people telling us about the rumor certainly don't say so. And whose to say that Apple doesn't feed false info to everyone to stir up the hype?

As for the things "missing" on the iPhone, if you don't like it, please stop complaining. It's as if someone forced you to get an iPhone. No one did! And anyone who actually thought through how big implementing copy/paste is would know that it's not going to be added to .X update because of potential gesture conflicts.

Anyway, here's to Tuesday!

Dmac77

Mar 15, 2009, 04:58 PM

Also confirmed no video due to a hardware limitation with the NAND memory that Apple uses. The amount of writing and IO to the memory could cause issue with the phone hardware, so it's out of the question.

Would Mr. Rose like to tell us how jailbreaking can get around this "hardware limitation"?

If a jailbreak allows me to record video, I don't see why Apple can't implement this on the current iPhone.

Apple may not include video recording in 3.0, but it is certainly possible to do.

Hardware limitation my ass.

Don

solipsism

Mar 15, 2009, 04:59 PM

I'm more than happy with just Copy and Paste, but i dont see the need for "3.0", why not just go to "2.3"?
Why are you okay with 2.3 but not 3.0? Why not 2.2.2? Why even use a point system?

Apple moves it's version based on the level of change they are doing (or at least the level of change they want you to think they are doing). I am hoping that v3.0 will be the first public release of a SnowLeopard-based OS.

I'm glad there will be no MMS, its such a dated way of sending images, you have unlimited data with the iPhone for crying out loud (well at least here in the UK) so why the need for MMS when you can send images by email or upload to twitpic or flickr?
WHo said there will be no MMS?

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 05:02 PM

Would Mr. Rose like to tell us how jailbreaking can get around this "hardware limitation"?

If a jailbreak allows me to record video, I don't see why Apple can't implement this on the current iPhone.

Apple may not include video recording in 3.0, but it is certainly possible to do.

Hardware limitation my ass.

Don

It's not a hardware limitation in that the phone can't record video. It's a hardware limitation, because the phone can only write to each block a certain number of times and the blocks would be used too rapidly if a video recorder were made available. Your phone will probably die before the phone of someone who didn't jailbreak and install a video recording app.

WHo said there will be no MMS?

Kevin Rose. It's part of the topic at hand. Did you not read any of the thread, or even the original post?

solipsism

Mar 15, 2009, 05:04 PM

Would Mr. Rose like to tell us how jailbreaking can get around this "hardware limitation"?

If a jailbreak allows me to record video, I don't see why Apple can't implement this on the current iPhone.

Apple may not include video recording in 3.0, but it is certainly possible to do.

Hardware limitation my ass.
You are correct in that it's technically possible to record video on the iPhone, but Apple has never been about what was technically possible, but was is technically feasible. It' just not a viable option for the current HW and OS. The resources are just too severe to have H.264 recording at a decent framerate. Check out the jailbroken recording apps, they suck big hairy monkey balls.

solipsism

Mar 15, 2009, 05:06 PM

Kevin Rose. It's part of the topic at hand. Did you not read any of the thread, or even the original post?

"iPhone 3.0 Copy and Paste Described
Sunday March 15, 2009 03:34 PM EST; Category: iPhone
Written by Arnold Kim
During a live taping of Diggnation, Kevin Rose revealed details about the expected "Copy and Paste" functionality coming in iPhone 3.0. World of Apple reports on the event with a link to a video of the moment (warning: strong language).

According to Rose, to invoke Copy and Paste, you simply double tap on the word, and a magnifier bubble will appear with two quotes that you can drag around your selection. Once you make your selection, you can copy, paste or cut. Rose has been accurate in the past with details about upcoming Apple product revisions. As well, we have also heard that Copy and Paste will be arriving in 3.0 alongside a much improved homepage/springboard with the ability to organize in categories.

Apple will be revealing iPhone 3.0 in detail on Tuesday, March 17th at a special media event."
So the absence of MMS being mentioned in the article means that it won't be included?

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 05:08 PM

"iPhone 3.0 Copy and Paste Described
Sunday March 15, 2009 03:34 PM EST; Category: iPhone
Written by Arnold Kim
During a live taping of Diggnation, Kevin Rose revealed details about the expected "Copy and Paste" functionality coming in iPhone 3.0. World of Apple reports on the event with a link to a video of the moment (warning: strong language).

According to Rose, to invoke Copy and Paste, you simply double tap on the word, and a magnifier bubble will appear with two quotes that you can drag around your selection. Once you make your selection, you can copy, paste or cut. Rose has been accurate in the past with details about upcoming Apple product revisions. As well, we have also heard that Copy and Paste will be arriving in 3.0 alongside a much improved homepage/springboard with the ability to organize in categories.

Apple will be revealing iPhone 3.0 in detail on Tuesday, March 17th at a special media event."
So the absence of MMS being mentioned in the article means that it won't be included?

Last night I attended the Live Diggnation event in Austin, Texas at SXSW, where Kevin Rose confirmed through his sources that iPhone 3.0 would have Copy and Paste.

He said it worked like this... you would press and hold a word and a Magnifier type bubble would appear with quotes around the word. Move the quotes around what you want selected and then you can press Copy.

Also confirmed no MMS for this release.

Confirmed that there would be no background apps, but he says that what Apple has coming will wipe away any advantages that Palm has touted with its Pre handheld.

Also confirmed no video due to a hardware limitation with the NAND memory that Apple uses. The amount of writing and IO to the memory could cause issue with the phone hardware, so it's out of the question.

You can see this all on the Diggnation that will air next week.

This is the first post in the thread! POST #1
The freaking first post!
First post
the premiere post in the thread!

preservative

Mar 15, 2009, 05:08 PM

Be funny if the copy and paste isn't included :eek:

speedracer81

Mar 15, 2009, 05:09 PM

It's not a hardware limitation in that the phone can't record video. It's a hardware limitation, because the phone can only write to each block a certain number of times and the blocks would be used too rapidly if a video recorder were made available. Your phone will probably die before the phone of someone who didn't jailbreak and install a video recording app.

Kevin Rose. It's part of the topic at hand. Did you not read any of the thread, or even the original post?

As already stated, if you watch the 3 minute clip from Austin where Kevin discusses copy & paste- when asked about MMS he replied, "I don't know anything about MMS."

Link to the clip:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/djsteen/videos/762/

benlee

Mar 15, 2009, 05:11 PM

False dichotomy. i think he gets lots a rumors fed to him, that he is a LOUSY filter (see dual battery iphone) and that he will spout out what he hears for more attention to his sites etc.. since what does he have to lose? if he picks C & p and apple does not announce it on tues, people will still post about his rumors even after being wrong about the iphone before, pretty darn badly.

But, Tues we will see i agree with that.

I predict:

copy and paste

AND

better battery life!

I am so starting a rumor site..

I would like to draw attention to your "I [I]predict[I]" That is the point. You are predicting.

Kevin Rose has a track record, albeit an arguable rocky one. He obviously has sources or a source that has information, that is obvious by his correct information regarding the nanos and iTunes 8.

Now you can start a prediction site. Feel free. But those of us that have been on MacRumors for some time realize that this is a rumor sight and the management does its best to provide us with good information--all under the context that this is a Rumor sight.

To not post this on the front page would devoid the site of its purpose. You are correct that anyone could "predict" copy and paste, but not everyone can say so with potential validity from a source.

joezapple

Mar 15, 2009, 05:11 PM

I'm really eager to see how the new OS looks and performs.
I hardly have any bugs with my 3G. Odd issue with CPU-intensive apps crashing, as usual, but that's it.
Just like OS X, it's reliable.
Updates to functionality, however, are always welcome.

Sellihca

Mar 15, 2009, 05:12 PM

Good news on the iphone front. Is it just me or are those guys (Kevin Rose and the other guy) super annoying? Every time I see them talking I want to slap them both-damn I hate how the internet empowers people into demi-celebs.

redgaz26

Mar 15, 2009, 05:13 PM

I have a feeling this is the big one!!!!!

copy and paste hopefully is just the start, I can see many more features being added.
now how to get out of this 02 contract and get the new iphone.......:confused:

1Zach1

Mar 15, 2009, 05:13 PM

This is the first post in the thread! POST #1
The freaking first post!
First post
the premiere post in the thread!

Go watch the video of what Kevin said, where he says "I didn't hear about MMS" He didn't say "No MMS"

Povilas

Mar 15, 2009, 05:15 PM

Maybe Apple has learned from the past events and is leaking false information on purpose :D

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 05:15 PM

Go watch the video of what Kevin said, where he says "I didn't hear about MMS" He didn't say "No MMS"

So his inside source didn't say anything about MMS (which means it's not a talking point which means it's not there) and all other reports say it won't be there. Hmmm two and two together...

preservative

Mar 15, 2009, 05:15 PM

solipsism

Mar 15, 2009, 05:18 PM

This is the first post in the thread! POST #1
The freaking first post!
First post
the premiere post in the thread!

The main page originally linked to the forum from Page 2, (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=7277353#post7277353) when Arn posted his article in the link. To me that is POST #1.

CarlHeanerd

Mar 15, 2009, 05:18 PM

I'm more excited for the features that will put it up to speed with the Palm Pre. Anyone else concur? Anyhow, I'm rendering my screen-cap now so I can put this on YouTube and get a bazillion-****ing-hits (quote by Alex Albrecht).:D

o0samotech0o

Mar 15, 2009, 05:18 PM

i would like to see the new iphone os looking a bit like the leopard theme on jailbroken ipods, with mac like catagory windows.

Twould be awesome.

something like this leopard theme:
http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/imgcache/15148.png
copyright TMC

speedracer81

Mar 15, 2009, 05:21 PM

So his inside source didn't say anything about MMS (which means it's not a talking point which means it's not there) and all other reports say it won't be there. Hmmm two and two together...

What "other reports" are you referring to that state MMS will NOT be included? I have not heard of any report that states that, but have heard of at least one report (Boy Genius) that says MMS will be included in the 3.0 update.

LoganT

Mar 15, 2009, 05:21 PM

Who is KEVIN ROSE?! R u kidding me? He is the CEO and founder of digg.com and co-founded revision 3 which is now apart of Cnet.

Um, no. CNET just plays some of the videos from Revision3 on their site.

Arisian

Mar 15, 2009, 05:22 PM

In other words...
-Poorly implemented Copy and Paste (Check)
-Low framerate, ****** video recording (Check)
-Poorly implemented MMS (Check)
-Battery draining, resource hogging background apps (Check)

I appreciate the attempt and have jailbroken every iPhone version, but the items you've mentioned are like many other smartphones: the feature is added to impress some geeks with your spec list, but they aren't implemented well.

These last two I do give you as an actual benefit, but the setup needs to be slicker. For starters, folder and icon organization needs to have an option to be done via the iTunes to make it quick and simple
-Awesome themes and customization (Check)
-Folders to organize so that you don't have a 9 page jumble of random apps (Check)

so here's my question. Why say video is impossible when its not? The iphone is obviously capable of using the camera as a video recorder, granted the implementations I've seen are not the best, but also not bad. It's a damn cell phone, it shouldn't have a high frame rate for video recording. If you want that go duct tape your phone to your camcorder.

I'd echo one of the other gentlemen earlier about implementing what the every phone has no, but not the iphone... and that is voice dialing. Seems like the biggest overlooked feature I can think of.

No matter what they do next, people will complain. Am I the only person who is yawning at 3.0? Granted, Im sure it will be cool and have some neat stuff, but I'm not that excited.

mike41423

Mar 15, 2009, 05:23 PM

As already stated, if you watch the 3 minute clip from Austin where Kevin discusses copy & paste- when asked about MMS he replied, "I don't know anything about MMS."

Link to the clip:
http://www.viddler.com/explore/djsteen/videos/762/

In a thread about iPhones, let's link to a flash based video that I cannot watch on my damn iPhone. Brilliant.

twoodcc

Mar 15, 2009, 05:23 PM

doesn't sound so great. we'll see on tuesday though

solipsism

Mar 15, 2009, 05:23 PM

I'm more excited for the features that will put it up to speed with the Palm Pre.
The Pre is fast because of the HW, and to a lesser extent its simple apps. While Apple can update the OS to be faster, you'll have to wait until the iPhone HW, which I expect to be a dual-core ARM with Nvidia's Tegra. That will blow away the Pre, which is just hyperbole at this time and is only comparing itself to the current iPhone.

speedracer81

Mar 15, 2009, 05:26 PM

In a thread about iPhones, let's link to a flash based video that I cannot watch on my damn iPhone. Brilliant.

Sounds like a personal problem.

solipsism

Mar 15, 2009, 05:27 PM

so here's my question. Why say video is impossible when its not?
What part of my post stated it was impossible? I wasn't even obscure in my verbage by saying "it wouldn't work" and then not explaining what I meant by it/ I clearly stated that it would be "-Low framerate [...] video recording."

I'd echo one of the other gentlemen earlier about implementing what the every phone has no, but not the iphone... and that is voice dialing. Seems like the biggest overlooked feature I can think of.
Voice dialing seems very overlooked, to me as well. Btu how would Apple implement it? I'd think you'd have to be holding down a physical button to enact it. Holding down a virtual button defeats the purpose. You can't even enable it on Apple's headphones with mic as your finger can easily cover the mic hole when pressing the center. The only options are the Home, Sleep and volume buttons on the device. None of which seem very user friendly.

ditzy

Mar 15, 2009, 05:27 PM

So from this rumor it sounds as if the 3rd gen iPhone won't be a major leap in hardware that we all expect.

It won't be a hardware release. This isn't a new iPhone, it's new software for existing iPhones.

ziggyonice

Mar 15, 2009, 05:29 PM

You know what would go great with copy and paste? iWork.

That would be awesome. They should do it. Now.

...or Tuesday.

ziggyonice

Mar 15, 2009, 05:31 PM

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 05:33 PM

Yuck.

uhhh-greed!

o0samotech0o

Mar 15, 2009, 05:34 PM

Yuck.

ok, maybe not as outstanding as this, but change your background at least.

TexanMan05

Mar 15, 2009, 05:37 PM

In other words...
-Poorly implemented Copy and Paste (Check)
-Low framerate, ****** video recording (Check)
-Poorly implemented MMS (Check)
-Battery draining, resource hogging background apps (Check)

The copy and paste isn't fantastic but it is there and it didn't take two years+ for it to be implemented.

The low framrate is due to Apple's camera, not the video recording software, but then again at least it is there and didn't take two years+ to be implemented.

Poorly implemented MMS? MMS on jailbroken iPhones works well. The poorly implemented MMS is AT&T's program to have to go to a website and enter a cryptic id to access pics.

Battery draining and resource hogging? Oh i forgot to mention that you can shut down the application by terminating it so that when you are done using it, the memory shifts back to how it was before you ran it in the background. That way if memory is too low you can manage it. Simple as that.

It just boggles my mind that the iPhone is capable of so much, yet Apple is taking baby steps to implement things on to it. It's almost as if they have a whole game plan written out to keep us talking about it.

ditzy

Mar 15, 2009, 05:38 PM

In a thread about iPhones, let's link to a flash based video that I cannot watch on my damn iPhone. Brilliant.

Just had the same problem myself now going to have to actually get up. Move across the room to watch the video on my iMac. I'm so lazy.

PsykX

Mar 15, 2009, 05:38 PM

Hey guys, it doesn't mean video recording won't be a feature of the next iPhone.

It means currently there are problems with current iPhones and video recording won't be there (or will be hidden) on these iPhones. But the next one might as well have it ;)

These are my 2 cents.

myca

Mar 15, 2009, 05:47 PM

Hold off till may/june time, chances are that history will repeat itself.

Just use a crappy phone you have lying around in the meantime :)

Yeah guess I'll have to, saying that my Nokia 6120c is quite a nice phone, but only for use as a phone, for anything else it's not as elegant as Apples iPhone.

I would like to see a front mounted camera and iChat on there, but I'm guessing that's gonna be a little while longer yet (plus having Skype on there would be nice, my current phone has skype but 3s 3G coverage is awful so it rarely works).

Agree on that. I just don't get the need or want for MMS at ALL. Seriously, e-mail works. So you have to send a pic that's so important it can't wait for your friend without phone e-mail access to get home and look at it? LOL.

C&P would be OK, but the only thing I'd really like to see is a real GPS app, whether it be built in or finally an "allowable" add on app.

Email works if the person receiving the image has email on their phone, not all mobile phone users have an iPhone. Granted I've used MMS about 20 times over the past 5 years but having the option would be beneficial to a great many users, plus it gives the network carriers something to milk more money out of their users :)

Eso

Mar 15, 2009, 05:48 PM

Double tapping to select a word. It will be interesting to see how that affects zooming in Safari.

Well, let's try thinking like Apple.

The magnifier only appears in text fields in which you can modify; the proposed method makes use of the magnify feature. Therefore you will not be able to copy text from web pages.

The part that irks me the most is when Apple announces new features (to 3.0 that is, otherwise old features to any other smartphone) it will be to thunderous applause when instead it should be met with contemptuous silence. There is no need to encourage them.

I also feel Apple is taking the wrong stance with regard to MMS as well. Someone still needs to explain to me what exactly makes it an "outdated" technology anyways, but I think it can have a bright future. People say that as phones increasingly have smartphone features, email will replace MMS. I think MMS itself can instead be expanded to full email directly to a mobile device with full attachments - pictures, files, documents, etc. - especially as faster data networks become standard.

ckelley

Mar 15, 2009, 05:49 PM

My apologies about the "No MMS" misinformation, there was a lot of yelling (as you could tell from that video) and I thought he said no to MMS. Sorry y'all! I would have clarified this earlier, but I had to run some errands around Austin, and with SXSW, it's a whole bunch of craziness right now.

firewood

Mar 15, 2009, 05:49 PM

Double tapping to select a word. It will be interesting to see how that affects zooming in Safari.

Currently in Safari, double tapping on a input text field does not zoom. So this gesture is not already overloaded for editable text.

But this means that this cut & paste user interface method can't work the same for non-editable text in web or scrollviews, because the gesture is already taken for zooming.

But, even if true, this will not be the big feature in 3.0. Something like multi-resolution and Snow Leopard with non-homogeneous multi-core Grand Central support across all platforms and devices would be far more interesting.

imco

t0mat0

Mar 15, 2009, 05:54 PM

mogzieee

Mar 15, 2009, 05:55 PM

Hmmm, lets see how long it is before Kevin Rose's 'friend' at Apple will be found and booted :p

Twitcho

Mar 15, 2009, 05:57 PM

I like the whole idea of cut and paste, although im not quite sure how much i will use it personally.

Shookster

Mar 15, 2009, 06:01 PM

It's not a hardware limitation in that the phone can't record video. It's a hardware limitation, because the phone can only write to each block a certain number of times and the blocks would be used too rapidly if a video recorder were made available. Your phone will probably die before the phone of someone who didn't jailbreak and install a video recording app.

Modern drives have load balancing features that write to different memory blocks each time in order to wear out the drive as evenly as possible. So as drives get bigger, this will be less of an issue. Maybe we'll see it supported in next year's revision.

solipsism

Mar 15, 2009, 06:04 PM

The copy and paste isn't fantastic but it is there and it didn't take two years+ for it to be implemented.
Of course it didn't two years to implement something poorly. Even developers that have produced copy and paste capable apps on the iPhone admit that Apple had a hurdle to overcome with copy/paste for the iPhone.

The low framrate is due to Apple's camera, not the video recording software, but then again at least it is there and didn't take two years+ to be implemented.
You're going have to explain that one to me.

Snide

Mar 15, 2009, 06:10 PM

On a side note, should we start taking bets on how long it will take for 3.0 to be jailbroken?
I won't be upgrading to 3.0 until it is - no matter how long it takes...

gt1948

Mar 15, 2009, 06:13 PM

B). Kevin usually has better inside information than most analysts. Lets keep the R in MR in mind here.[/QUOTE]

Wish you folks would speak English.....:)

Still don't know who or what a Kevin Rose is......why doesn't he include a bio or a definition the next time....:D

Saladinos

Mar 15, 2009, 06:14 PM

So from this rumor it sounds as if the 3rd gen iPhone won't be a major leap in hardware that we all expect.

Who knows? We have no idea what's going in that hardware, if there even will be one this year (which there probably will, but still, no confirmation).

They could still add:
- 802.11n WiFi
- More RAM
- Better CPU,GPU
- Bigger Battery
- Better Camera w/ Flash
- Higher resolution screen
- Physical keyboard
- FM Radio
- Higher quality mic, speakers

Also, we don't know for sure why the iPhone can't record video. Apple have less limitations than even jailbreak software developers. It's possible the hardware can do it, but the underlying software system limits it for some reason (may be limited by performance of software which typically only takes still pictures).

jedivulcan

Mar 15, 2009, 06:16 PM

Take what Kevin Rose says with a grain of salt. I watched a few episodes of Diggnation. One particular episode, he goes on describing features that the Kindle 2 doesn't have, almost going into a lying tirade of apparently false advertising. Alex (whatever the hell his last name is) stopped him when he said these were features he "wish were in the Kindle 2"

I stopped watching all things related to Kevin Rose or Digg a while back. I can usually avoid Digg by actually reading Google News or other RSS feeds.

cal6n

Mar 15, 2009, 06:18 PM

I got tired of waiting so I just went ahead and JailBroke it.

*snip*

DOES NOT SLOW THE iPhone DOWN (no matter what anyone says.. there is even video to prove it is just as fast), and it allows for almost endless possibilities.

If it doesn't slow to a crawl within 10 days without a restart, I'll be incredibly surprised. Something associated with jailbreaking had a 100% repeatable memory leak for me.

macfan881

Mar 15, 2009, 06:20 PM

Lesser Evets

Mar 15, 2009, 06:20 PM

They could still add:
- 802.11n WiFi
- More RAM
- Better CPU,GPU
- Bigger Battery

These are probably likely to some minor extent.

- Physical keyboard
- FM Radio

These are insane.
Who actually listens to FM and why?

kas23

Mar 15, 2009, 06:23 PM

I sure hope c/p is not the showcased feature of 3.0. I can see it now at media event; "cut and paste...boy have we patented it!" *all fanboys stand up and clap like this is the first time they heard "cut" and "paste" in same sentence* Please Apple, don't release basic smartphone operations and act like we are lucky to have them. Ah, the drama...

So, if the hardware still can't handle video recording (when "lesser" phones can), I don't think people should be expecting a big hardware update, but more like no update in RAM or processor.

Eminemdrdre00

Mar 15, 2009, 06:26 PM

The iPhone will never have a physical keyboard

Slurpy2k8

Mar 15, 2009, 06:28 PM

Wow! That's amazing! Is it because you jailbroke your phone? Something entirely new that no one has ever heard of?!??! You're so cool! OMGBBQ

(Apple's implementation of copy/paste sounds much better than clippy)

Well, I would ****ing hope so, these the devs making these C&P apps dont really have full access to the OS. If they did, I'm damn sure there would have been perfect C&P solutions a long time ago.

Also, since when is video recording not considered a 'basic feature'? It's been on every single ****** cell phone Ive owned for years. It humors me how so many here apologize for Apple, with some weird explanation of technical limitations that prevent video recording on the phone. Come on guys. Stop setting your standards so low when it comes to Apple.

bartzilla

Mar 15, 2009, 06:30 PM

clockworkorange

Mar 15, 2009, 06:32 PM

I wish apple would allow me to set a picture in the background where the apps are, even if it's slightly blurred to emphasize on the apps rather than the background, Just seeing that amount of space just being wasted makes me cringe.

fleshman03

Mar 15, 2009, 06:37 PM

Let me make sure I understand this.

Copy and Paste? Check.

MMS? Nope. Version 4

Video? Nope. Version 5

Background Apps? Nope. Version 6

Lol. Well Video would put it past the Palm Pre. (Can we call it PP?)

I'd expect MMS + Background Apps or real working push. (Which would work for AIM and other such things...)

I just look at the PP and it does look pretty sweet with the UI. I like how it says what App you're in right on the top and how the Calendar works.

megfilmworks

Mar 15, 2009, 06:38 PM

Also, since when is video recording not considered a 'basic feature'? It's been on every single ****** cell phone Ive owned for years. It humors me how so many here apologize for Apple, with some weird explanation of technical limitations that prevent video recording on the phone. Come on guys. Stop setting your standards so low when it comes to Apple.
To me "setting your standards low" is using a phone as a video recorder.:eek:

InkMaster

Mar 15, 2009, 06:38 PM

So... if it'll be previewed on the 17th or whenever. How long do you guys think it will be till its released? Certainly hope we won't have to wait for 4-5 month as we waited for the 2.0 firmware...

Lesser Evets

Mar 15, 2009, 06:39 PM

So, if the hardware still can't handle video recording (when "lesser" phones can), I don't think people should be expecting a big hardware update, but more like no update in RAM or processor.

C&P should have been on the phone since last summer, but its absence certainly hasn't hindered successful sales ....YET.

If very little happens to improve hardware and software of the phone this year, it'll skid to a major slowdown in sales at present prices.

I suspect the next iPhone update this year will bring a bump in most all aspects. They are spending all their time engineering smaller insides to all devices, so they'll probably minimally jam up memory/battery. 32GB minimal for the high end model, maybe as much as 64GB.

InkMaster

Mar 15, 2009, 06:40 PM

The iPhone will never have a physical keyboard

Unless of course someone releases an add-on keyboard which plugs into the dock connector... But somehow I doubt Apple would allow it to be used...

I stopped watching all things related to Kevin Rose or Digg a while back. I can usually avoid Digg by actually reading Google News or other RSS feeds.

Well... yeah... I do kinda agree with you... The show, an to an extent the whole community got quite trashy in the years...

robogobo

Mar 15, 2009, 06:44 PM

WOW after 2 years copy/paste. How long will we have to wait before we get a clipboard stack? I predict I'll be sticking with Jailbreak+Clippy.

Patriks7

Mar 15, 2009, 06:44 PM

Why do people care so much about MMS? MMS sucks. I'd rather send an email or an image link in an IM (via Beejive) or post a photo to Flickr than send a MMS message.

I remember back in Canada with Roger's MMS messages cost me like $0.50 each!

Yes, you're right. Because everybody in this world has a phone that supports emails or IM. MMS has been a standard on all phones for years. Last time I urgently had to send a picture to a friend but couldn't, so I had to take out my 5 year old Nokia (luckily I had it with me) and send it through that.
All I had to do was send the picture from one to the other by blueto.. uh nevermind, I meant I had to take the picture again in even worse quality and then send it.

BJWanlund

Mar 15, 2009, 06:45 PM

As far as I am concerned, this rumoured implentation from the OP concerning iPhone cut, copy & paste (and WHY ON EARTH IS EVERYONE NOT USING ALL THREE TERMS???) sounds quite feasible and tasteful, really. Apple likes making tasteful implementations of their advertised features (think the still-not-delivered Push Notifications when it was announced).

And I sincerely hope that Apple makes a concerted effort to spotlight other apps (including streaming audio/video apps) at their big announcement Tuesday.

BJ

Abstract

Mar 15, 2009, 06:45 PM

I think it's great that it's finally coming, but to me, this is the equivalent of an OS X update that changes a Finder menu or something. It really shouldn't be such a big deal. However, Apple has held out for so long that this has become something huge, which is sad (in a way).

iPhone users are so starved for requested features to be implemented that a simple thing like copy and paste is a headliner. :p Wait until MMS is implemented in 2010. That thread will get 300 replies, easy. :p

Hawkeye411

Mar 15, 2009, 06:46 PM

Who knows? We have no idea what's going in that hardware, if there even will be one this year (which there probably will, but still, no confirmation).

They could still add:
- 802.11n WiFi
- More RAM
- Better CPU,GPU
- Bigger Battery
- Better Camera w/ Flash
- Higher resolution screen
- Physical keyboard
- FM Radio
- Higher quality mic, speakers

Also, we don't know for sure why the iPhone can't record video. Apple have less limitations than even jailbreak software developers. It's possible the hardware can do it, but the underlying software system limits it for some reason (may be limited by performance of software which typically only takes still pictures).

Physical keyboard would be awesome. Typing on the touch screen can be a pain in the butt!!!

Copy and paste will be really useful. I could care less if it had video recording or not. I think I'll stick with my video camera for video recording. Seems to me that video recording on a cellphone is only useful for numbskulls who like putting videos of their goofy friends on youtube. :D

NoSmokingBandit

Mar 15, 2009, 06:51 PM

Ducky280

Mar 15, 2009, 06:51 PM

I'd say:

The new 3.0 software will have a host of Updates simply to keep it up to date with current trends and of course the upcoming Pre.

Video will roll out ONLY on the new iPhone which will rock out around June/July which will have more ram to deal with video recording.. (As stated they have a Ram issue with the old iPhones, so this will be fixed in the new ones to deal with Video Recording).

I'd also say it's gonna be slimmer, but screen will be the same size (No Nano iPhone will ever come out as all the Apps designed for the iPhone would look crap)

That's just a guess!! But that's what am thinking...

kas23

Mar 15, 2009, 06:52 PM

Is anyone else incredulous that people are talking about the ability to cut and paste text as if it's the second coming. Maybe, given what a new and unique feature it is, they might have to just add paste for now and give us the cut in a later date.

Personally, I find it offensive. We get c/p and it seems like a priviledge now. It's a frickin basic feature on smartphones. Next, people are going to start saying Apple invented it. It's in the "iPhone patent".

Andrew K.

Mar 15, 2009, 06:54 PM

BLACK MAC

Mar 15, 2009, 06:56 PM

I think C/P will be added. They will probably improve the iPod functions on the phone. I doubt we will see MMS, but it's more likely we will see the ability to add multiple pictures to a single email. I would love MMS, but doubt it will be added.

kas23

Mar 15, 2009, 06:58 PM

C&P should have been on the phone since last summer, but its absence certainly hasn't hindered successful sales ....YET.

If very little happens to improve hardware and software of the phone this year, it'll skid to a major slowdown in sales at present prices.

I suspect the next iPhone update this year will bring a bump in most all aspects. They are spending all their time engineering smaller insides to all devices, so they'll probably minimally jam up memory/battery. 32GB minimal for the high end model, maybe as much as 64GB.

All they have to do is offer a new, cool form factor and it'll sell just fine. For the past year Apple has been selling a technologically obsolete cellphone and it has been selling just fine. Have you been in an Apple Store lately? All these teenage girls have to do, after seeing the new design, is smile and wink at daddy and he'll get them one. They don't know and probably don't care how much RAM it has, as long as it goes well with their new handbag.

fimac

Mar 15, 2009, 06:58 PM

Anyone with decent credentials or links able to clear up the video doable on NAND argument? Or do we have to wait till Intel gets a miniature flash drive out?
Or have a memory slot so you could just slot in a new memory card like you could with your sim card.

There seems to be two issues: firstly the performance of video capture (fps) and secondly the issue of storage (NAND).

Ignoring future hardware, and only talking about iPhone and iPhone 3G, then:

1. Capture performance can be improved with a software update. (Video-recording is not an official feature and so the software has not been optimised for that.)

2. Capture could be direct to RAM to reduce NAND-wear (file-system only used for clips the user chooses to keep). Clearly this limits clip duration, but it would still be great for updloading short clips to Video services (such as twiddeo (http://beta.twiddeo.com/) and 12seconds (http://12seconds.tv/) etc.).

dongmin

Mar 15, 2009, 07:02 PM

[snip] he says that what Apple has coming will wipe away any advantages that Palm has touted with its Pre handheld.[snip]

So what exactly are all the advantages that the Pre has over the iPhone?

-multi-tasking/background apps?
-MMS?
-copy & paste?

What am I missing? Because these features don't exactly wanna make rush out to Apple Store to see a demo. I sure hope Apple has more in store for 3.0 than just bringing it "up to the level of the Pre."

iParis

Mar 15, 2009, 07:02 PM

I don't know what to think. Copy/paste would be amazing, but this could be a bunch of BS.

Although, he was almost 100% correct on predicting iTunes 8.

dyeung

Mar 15, 2009, 07:04 PM

Modern drives have load balancing features that write to different memory blocks each time in order to wear out the drive as evenly as possible. So as drives get bigger, this will be less of an issue. Maybe we'll see it supported in next year's revision.

So does this mean the 16gb should on average outlast the 8gb iphone?

roberry82

Mar 15, 2009, 07:05 PM

B). Kevin usually has better inside information than most analysts. Lets keep the R in MR in mind here.

Wish you folks would speak English.....:)

Still don't know who or what a Kevin Rose is......why doesn't he include a bio or a definition the next time....:D[/QUOTE]

Oh you poor dear... "keep the R in MR" means keep the RUMOR in MacRumors in mind when reading all this. They're RUMORS. It's only fact when Apple says it. Or something like that. LMAO.

EvanLugh

Mar 15, 2009, 07:08 PM

Native Hulu built in? :p

redchannel

Mar 15, 2009, 07:13 PM

Im just hoping that apple will add MMS to the SMS application and allow us to have a landscape keyboard. i know from working in an AT&T store that the number one reason people return the iPhone is because they see sending pictures through email as a pain in the ass, and it boggles them (and me too) why the keyboard doesn't activate landscape mode in all applications. I can record video on my 2G iPhone with Cycorder, so i think that "hardware limitation" is a bunch of bull.

t0mat0

Mar 15, 2009, 07:13 PM

There seems to be two issues: firstly the performance of video capture (fps) and secondly the issue of storage (NAND).

Ignoring future hardware, and only talking about iPhone and iPhone 3G, then:

1. Capture performance can be improved with a software update. (Video-recording is not an official feature and so the software has not been optimised for that.)

2. Capture could be direct to RAM to reduce NAND-wear (file-system only used for clips the user chooses to keep). Clearly this limits clip duration, but it would still be great for updloading short clips to Video services (such as twiddeo (http://beta.twiddeo.com/) and 12seconds (http://12seconds.tv/) etc.).

I don't see video on version 1 or 2 of iPhone (officially). The sensor aint the best. But not 3? Would take the proverbial biscuit.

Does the Flip have the problems described? Surely the bigger problem would be getting a decent lens in there? Is Apple basically saying no to video, just because it doesn't want to have removable media?

iSee

Mar 15, 2009, 07:19 PM

Maybe they got rid of the double tap safari for strictly pinch/expand?

Don't be silly.

The double-tap to select will only be active when editing a text field. When viewing a web page, double-tap will continue to zoom/unzoom. Obviously I don't have any specific information, but this seems very obvious to me.

t0mat0

Mar 15, 2009, 07:26 PM

I think Kevin used the crowd noise to just answer the questions he knew about. C&P. Wow. Insider knowledge. Some of the other stuff - maybe.

He doesn't have too much it would seem. Tuesday seems to potentially have more - this is basically an SDK update - brining in new features, outlaying what will be capable for the next iPhone, and how the developers might be able to use it. It might give some hints to 10.6, and also multitouch implementation - if there is a likelihood for an Apple slate etc.
No mention of use of magnetometers, or other hardware. No mention about spec bumps. So kevin doesn't know or at least want to say about any iPhone v3 hardware really, just software limitations.
Matching Palm Pre like features sounds much better.

inkswamp

Mar 15, 2009, 07:26 PM

Yeah, yeah... I'll believe it when I see it. Kevin Rose has been too hit-and-miss as a source to take anything he says at face value.

BTW, am I the only one who gets tired of this frat-house environment the Digg guys seem to encourage out of their audience?

iParis

Mar 15, 2009, 07:26 PM

vvebsta

Mar 15, 2009, 07:27 PM

It will be a royal slap in the face if copy and paste is all they add. :mad:

olegandbuster25

Mar 15, 2009, 07:28 PM

He means video recording.

if this is supposevly a memory issue then how does my fist generation iphone do video on a jailbreak? and my 3G.....
cant they just reroute some crap in the OS though and update and let it save somewhere.. seriusly theres plenty of memory space

TheSpaz

Mar 15, 2009, 07:30 PM

I'm skeptical.

D3lta

Mar 15, 2009, 07:30 PM

I highly doubt Apple would have a press conference just to show off copy + paste, seems like a waste of time for everybody. I'm sure 3.0 will have some great features that Apple is keeping really close under wraps.

redchannel

Mar 15, 2009, 07:33 PM

Apple wouldn't add MMS to the SMS app, it would be a separate app.
Unless they change name.

And Apple probably wants video recording to not take up a lot of memory and be in a good quality.

By that i hope that they make it one app together

vvebsta

Mar 15, 2009, 07:33 PM

Ignoring future hardware, and only talking about iPhone and iPhone 3G, then:

1. Capture performance can be improved with a software update. (Video-recording is not an official feature and so the software has not been optimised for that.)

2. Capture could be direct to RAM to reduce NAND-wear (file-system only used for clips the user chooses to keep). Clearly this limits clip duration, but it would still be great for updloading short clips to Video services (such as twiddeo (http://beta.twiddeo.com/) and 12seconds (http://12seconds.tv/) etc.).

Am i the only one who thinks the camera takes forever to load?

olegandbuster25

Mar 15, 2009, 07:34 PM

ThunderSkunk

Mar 15, 2009, 07:35 PM

In other words, it's just like the Copy & Paste we have now. So apple waits two years on Copy & Paste, until hackers figure it out, and then copy their work. ...kinda like the appstore itself...

Not impressive, Apple.

And no video? Prepare to take a back seat to the first company that does figure it out. Dumb.

fleshman03

Mar 15, 2009, 07:36 PM

Native Hulu built in? :p

I'd wet my pants...

So with the video thing... If it's a hardware limitation explain this (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone-video-recording/iphone-video-recording-now-working-with-drunknbass-333346.php). [It's from 2007. I'd assume there are better apps for that now.

Also, why can't it just use the Flash chip as RAM? I'm assuming it's not as high quality memory as RAM, but wouldn't it be good enough for video capture?

Mr. Giver '94

Mar 15, 2009, 07:38 PM

I swear if Copy Paste is the only new thing in 3.0, I'll.....I'll.....I'lll GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

vvebsta

Mar 15, 2009, 07:41 PM

Native Hulu built in? :p

You know I actually wrote Hulu about if they were interested in an iPhone app and they gave this reply...

Hi,

We're focused on the free streaming experience on the computer today, but our
overall mission at Hulu is to help people find and enjoy great content when, where
and how they want. That means we’re continually listening to user feedback and
evaluating new technologies to develop new experiences for users to enjoy Hulu.

Thanks,

Arash
Hulu

ThunderSkunk

Mar 15, 2009, 07:42 PM

I like the whole idea of cut and paste, although im not quite sure how much i will use it personally.

I don't actually use it that often. Maybe a couple times a week. But when I do, it saves me a massive amount of time, not having to rewrite paragraphs or switch back and forth between applications a hundred times to get it all.

Kinda like a seatbelt. You rarely need them, but when you do, it's a pretty big deal.

pohl

Mar 15, 2009, 07:45 PM

There are two seemingly unrelated sets of people that frequently post about the iPhone that catch my interest:

people so cheap that a 99 cent app is 'too expensive'
people desperate for MMS to be supported

I would love to see a Venn diagram of how these sets overlap. Anybody caught in the intersection of the two needs to do some soul searching.

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 07:46 PM

I'd wet my pants...

So with the video thing... If it's a hardware limitation explain this (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone-video-recording/iphone-video-recording-now-working-with-drunknbass-333346.php). [It's from 2007. I'd assume there are better apps for that now.

Also, why can't it just use the Flash chip as RAM? I'm assuming it's not as high quality memory as RAM, but wouldn't it be good enough for video capture?

NAND has a limited number of read/write cycles. it would kill the iPhone to use the NAND memory as RAM.

JMax1

Mar 15, 2009, 07:49 PM

Now please release the new iPhone at the 24th and I'll be all over it. After just having bought a MacBook I just can't wait for teh mighty iPhone.

the mIghtyPhone! I love the name! Great name for a new iPhone!

olegandbuster25

Mar 15, 2009, 07:54 PM

NAND has a limited number of read/write cycles. it would kill the iPhone to use the NAND memory as RAM.

umm.. i still don't get why jail-broken iphone can do video just fine and the professionals at Apple cant do the same thing

NT1440

Mar 15, 2009, 07:57 PM

umm.. i still don't get why jail-broken iphone can do video just fine and the professionals at Apple cant do the same thing

Apple likes to do things in fun and quality ways, i dont think they want video on their cellphone until its possible for it not to look like cellphone footage (aka, complete crap).

kdarling

Mar 15, 2009, 07:58 PM

NAND has a limited number of read/write cycles. it would kill the iPhone to use the NAND memory as RAM.

It's not just the limited write cycles (which might be what's stopping them from offering video recording), but NAND Flash is not random access as is needed for a RAM equivalent.

NAND must be read out in something like 4K pages, and erased/reprogrammed in 256K blocks. So it's very much more useful as a disk drive equivalent.

LeviG

Mar 15, 2009, 07:59 PM

so they've finally done copy and paste, still no mms, video and background apps though.

If this is v3, whats the extra's better google maps where most of the decent features don't work in most of the UK. Proper GPS navigation? Maybe they've added a few codecs for better media support - nah not going to happen anytime soon.
Flash - don't want that so thats not a biggy.

Hang on I forgot the push notifications - thats a biggy so thats what will make it v3 :rolleyes:

If this is all we're getting this is v2.5 not a 3.

olegandbuster25

Mar 15, 2009, 08:00 PM

Apple likes to do things in fun and quality ways, i dont think they want video on their cellphone until its possible for it not to look like cellphone footage (aka, complete crap).

hah i guess you could say that, they do like to do things their own little strange ways... it would just be nice to have it to record a good fight or something every once in a while.. dont need top quality stuff for that, but oh well

headfuzz

Mar 15, 2009, 08:02 PM

Right. So for this major revision release the long awaited copy and opaste has arrived. Marvellous. Us jailbreakers have had this for ages.

Also confirmed no MMS for this release

Us jailbreakers have had this for ages.

Confirmed that there would be no background apps, but he says that what Apple has coming will wipe away any advantages that Palm has touted with its Pre handheld.

I smell a RDF delivered by the medium of hearsay.

Also confirmed no video due to a hardware limitation with the NAND memory that Apple uses. The amount of writing and IO to the memory could cause issue with the phone hardware, so it's out of the question.

I knew I was the lucky one! When I jailbroke my iPhone, I actually got a hardware upgrade pumped down the USB cable as well, resulting in my being able to shoot perfectly good video with my iPhone 3G. Who'da thunk it? A hardware upgrade via USB?! :eek:

Oh wait, that was someone talking complete bollocks again. I don't care if it was an Apple marketing gimp, Kevin Rose, some random fanboy or whoever, the iPhone is perfectly capable of shooting video and remaining stable. These so called authorities would do well to actually research that which they claim to have knowledge about. :rolleyes:

sd2009

Mar 15, 2009, 08:05 PM

The Pre is fast because of the HW, and to a lesser extent its simple apps. While Apple can update the OS to be faster, you'll have to wait until the iPhone HW, which I expect to be a dual-core ARM with Nvidia's Tegra. That will blow away the Pre, which is just hyperbole at this time and is only comparing itself to the current iPhone.

How do we know the Pre is fast?
The iPhone looks pretty damn fast in the commercials too ;)

TexanMan05

Mar 15, 2009, 08:06 PM

Apple likes to do things in fun and quality ways, i dont think they want video on their cellphone until its possible for it not to look like cellphone footage (aka, complete crap).

Oh, so that is why they waited until they had the perfect 2.0 MP camera so that the pictures were of the highest quality and not cellphone quality aka "complete crap".. :rolleyes:

birch25

Mar 15, 2009, 08:06 PM

It will be a royal slap in the face if copy and paste is all they add. :mad:

Does anybody actually think that is all they're adding? Obviously there will be more features.

dyeung

Mar 15, 2009, 08:08 PM

How do we know the Pre is fast?
The iPhone looks pretty damn fast in the commercials too ;)

we know the pre is fast because the cpu ship in it is much faster than the iPhone

sushi

Mar 15, 2009, 08:09 PM

He means video recording.
I see. Thanks.

The iPhone will never have a physical keyboard
I would tend to agree with this.

Looking forward to Tuesday.

queshy

Mar 15, 2009, 08:10 PM

copy and paste? that's it? lame.

I don't care about c/p. I want a phone that doesn't lag and is more stable.

MacFly123

Mar 15, 2009, 08:11 PM

I swear if Copy Paste is the only new thing in 3.0, I'll.....I'll.....I'lll GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Apple likes to do things in fun and quality ways, i dont think they want video on their cellphone until its possible for it not to look like cellphone footage (aka, complete crap).

I really don't think Apple is going to show EVERYTHING that 3.0 holds in store on Tuesday. I think they will show off some good stuff like copy paste but that there will be things that they do not show that will be revealed in June when the new hardware comes out. Hence the event said it is a PREVIEW!!!

I wouldn't be surprised if video capture is exclusive to the new hardware and it will come with MobileMe and YouTube upload!

What I really want is Push and a little easing up on the SDK rules so we can get apps like real GPS etc. and a tweaked UI for the home screen and MMS and some little things like text forwarding etc.

P.S. If he is right about the copy paste and double tap a word, that means unless something changes you won't be able to use it in Safari :(

happydude

Mar 15, 2009, 08:11 PM

sh#t, yo, finally. now if they allow us to store and edit documents, this thing will be ready for the real business world.

dlamin517

Mar 15, 2009, 08:11 PM

Well, I would ****ing hope so, these the devs making these C&P apps dont really have full access to the OS. If they did, I'm damn sure there would have been perfect C&P solutions a long time ago.

Also, since when is video recording not considered a 'basic feature'? It's been on every single ****** cell phone Ive owned for years. It humors me how so many here apologize for Apple, with some weird explanation of technical limitations that prevent video recording on the phone. Come on guys. Stop setting your standards so low when it comes to Apple.

Apple provided an explanation as to why it cant record. No other phones use the NAND memory so its perfectly reasonalbe that Apple doesnt want to **** up your phone!

headfuzz

Mar 15, 2009, 08:12 PM

Apple likes to do things in fun and quality ways, i dont think they want video on their cellphone until its possible for it not to look like cellphone footage (aka, complete crap).

Wow. Where does this conjecture come from and on what is it based?!

The Cycorder app available free to iPhone jailbreakers shoots the best quality video I've seen from a mobile device. End of. Yes it's crap in low light levels, but quelle surprise, that's because there's no light on the iPhone. Cycorder shoots in Motion JPEG resulting in high quality video with relatively small file sizes. There are other apps out there which are paid apps with added functionailty too.

Please, at risk of sounding rude if you're going to offer an opinion, make it an informed one or not at all.

mavis

Mar 15, 2009, 08:12 PM

These so called authorities would do well to actually research that which they claim to have knowledge about. :rolleyes:
Irony at its best. ;)

You might want to familiarize yourself with the properties of NAND flash memory (specifically write endurance) before barking up that tree. They didn't say video recording was impossible (we've had crappy Cycorder videos for a long time now, right?) but rather, that it could cause issues with the iPhone's memory.

mrrydogg

Mar 15, 2009, 08:14 PM

I think a lot of you should go re-watch the video.

He NEVER SAYS no MMS. Someone shouts it out and he says...

"I didn't hear about MMS, I didn't hear anything about that, so I don't know if it's coming."

Why is everyone freaking out already about MMS......again. There is no confirmation here.

The quote that gets my attention is the one "his source" said...

"Copy & Paste, and brings us up to speed with all the Palm Pre stuff."

Well if thats true we will see MMS, Full Bluetooth functionality (File Transfer/A2DP), some sort of management of apps and background processes coming to 3.0.

That gets me excited. I also expect to see some partners brought up on stage to introduce or preview some new games (maybe premium content?).

NT1440

Mar 15, 2009, 08:17 PM

Wow. Where does this conjecture come from and on what is it based?!

The Cycorder app available free to iPhone jailbreakers shoots the best quality video I've seen from a mobile device. End of. Yes it's crap in low light levels, but quelle surprise, that's because there's no light on the iPhone. Cycorder shoots in Motion JPEG resulting in high quality video with relatively small file sizes. There are other apps out there which are paid apps with added functionailty too.

Please, at risk of sounding rude if you're going to offer an opinion, make it an informed one or not at all.

You can still tell that cycorder videos are made on a cell phone.....

That was the only thing i was trying to say

benlee

Mar 15, 2009, 08:20 PM

I swear if Copy Paste is the only new thing in 3.0, I'll.....I'll.....I'lll GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

I could be wrong, but I don't think they spent the last year developing cut, copy and paste...god, I hope not.

I have a feeling we are only going to see a preview of the OS. It going to mainly be a new SDK discussion.

olegandbuster25

Mar 15, 2009, 08:24 PM

sh#t, yo, finally. now if they allow us to store and edit documents, this thing will be ready for the real business world.

actualy a lot of businesses use the iphone and are VERY happy with it.. you like the other smart phones so much? go get one!
and you might want to change your profile quote thing cuz 1 20 2009 already came around and a bigger mistake happened so yes now u can start praying:eek:

Bevz

Mar 15, 2009, 08:29 PM

I agree with a lot of other posters here; v2 to v3 will have to bring big changes; a LOT more than just cut n paste. v1 to v2 brought the app store; enough said! What i'd like to see in 3.0 is a more reflective approach and a focus on refining the UI as much as implementing new ideas... I (like others) would like to see a big change in app management and i would like to see that change reflected in iTunes too, my app list is getting very big; app categories would be a good start. I'd also like to see the built in apps refined more e.g. allowing SMS forwarding (that and the lack of MMS has been a sore point for me since i've had an iPhone as my partner is always tacking the piss over the lack of such basic features!), and last but not least; i'd like to see a File management app to let you store files on the phone and browse them (with Finder integration when plugged into a mac), but i'd also like it to be able to browse my home networked drives too; you can kind of do it at the moment by setting up a web server on your mac and creating a link to a network location; you can then use your web browser to browse files; it will even let you stream movies this way, but i'd like to see this functionality formalized into a proper app. I'd code one myself but the SDK won't give me enough access to get anywhere near doing something like this myself!

Looking forward to Tuesday... Hopefully some of the above will be there and maybe a few pleasant surprises too :D

kdarling

Mar 15, 2009, 08:31 PM

I could be wrong, but I don't think they spent the last year developing cut, copy and paste...god, I hope not.

If support for copy and paste wasn't built into the UI from the start, it can be a real pain to add later on.

Been there, done that, got the whip marks.

dwsolberg

Mar 15, 2009, 08:34 PM

If Apple doesn't do a good job implementing copy-n-paste, it may turn out to be the worst feature of the iPhone. It's one of those things that could turn out to be confusing and generally make people want to throw their phones at a brick wall.

I hope it's either a surprising useable feature (which doesn't continually pop up when I'm trying to scroll through a page or whatever), or else that Apple allows you to turn it off.

inkswamp

Mar 15, 2009, 08:36 PM

So with the video thing... If it's a hardware limitation explain this (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone-video-recording/iphone-video-recording-now-working-with-drunknbass-333346.php). It's from 2007. I'd assume there are better apps for that now.

I'm thinking some of this stuff being said by Kevin Rose may be fake info dispersed by Apple for leak tracking purposes. The explanation about video capabilities sounded really unlikely. I'm wondering if some of his sources are a little nervous right now.

gmcalpin

Mar 15, 2009, 08:39 PM

Exactly. they name drop him as if we should know him

I thought they just name-dropped him as if he was the guy in the video.

headfuzz

Mar 15, 2009, 08:41 PM

Apple provided an explanation as to why it cant record. No other phones use the NAND memory so its perfectly reasonalbe that Apple doesnt want to **** up your phone!

I have to disagree. The mobile market is so volatile that it's a buyer's market; people are presented constantly with discount offers, bundle deals and so on because it's tough when it comes to contract renewal time to keep a customer's business.

Notice how when the iPhone 3G came out existing iPhone customers were offered a cheap as chips upgrade deal on condition of signing another contract extension? That's because people only renew their phones at contract renewal time because they're offered the latest and greatest for heavily subsidised prices, sometimes free.

Apple will have a new updated version of the iPhone ready to go for the next time the earliest contract renewal dates arise for existing iPhone customers. Otherwise said customers will have no qualms checking out the latest Android capable device / Blackberry / Palm as they will be on offer anyway. If these customers go with these alternatives they will be unable to get Apple's newly improved iPhone when it does come out as they'll be tied into the contract for their Android / Blackberry / Palm etc which they will no doubt have been showing off to all their mates in the meantime, who may well go out and buy the competition as a result.

In short, the product life cycle is designed to outlast the consumer's desire to replace it with the shiny new version 18 months later.

headfuzz

Mar 15, 2009, 08:48 PM

You can still tell that cycorder videos are made on a cell phone.....

That was the only thing i was trying to say

I see - apologies for the somewhat terse sounding reply.

The fact is though any footage shot on an iPhone is always going to look like it was shot on a mobile device as you can only fit a single CCD into them and not very good ones at that.

Technology will obviously advance but there is no reason to suggest Apple will suddenly have minature CCD's leaps and bounds ahead of the competition as they don't design them nor do they manufacture them; ergo they're only able to use the same class of CCD as all the rest.

MacFly123

Mar 15, 2009, 08:53 PM

Here is how Apple should do video recording on the new iPhone. It should be built into the camera app as is logical and be coupled with MobileMe and YouTube uploading and MMS including video not just pictures!!!

The little icon on the top right is like in the iPod to flip the album art over but that simply flips the camera from front to the back and just turn the phone sideways to shoot widescreen.

Never again will you have to hold your phone backwards to take a picture or shoot a video!

hockeyhammer

Mar 15, 2009, 08:57 PM

Frisco

Mar 15, 2009, 08:58 PM

I am still awaiting Cut & Paste in OS X :eek:

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 08:59 PM

The update will be pretty cool probaly bringing us all the features u guys have been winning about for 3 year. The crap part is it will cost at least $10 for ipod touch users, including me.

What about the gameing system built into an apple tv?

Still waiting for the netbook!

ADD much?

So I'm a little confused on this supposed meeting this Tuesday. What sort of confirmation do we have besides a rumor and a nice graphic?

Skiniftz

Mar 15, 2009, 09:00 PM

I am still awaiting Cut & Paste in OS X :eek:

...what?

headfuzz

Mar 15, 2009, 09:03 PM

So I'm a little confused on this supposed meeting this Tuesday. What sort of confirmation do we have besides a rumor and a nice graphic?

Wait... You mean you want factual evidence?! :eek:

:p

TuffLuffJimmy

Mar 15, 2009, 09:03 PM

I am still awaiting Cut & Paste in OS X :eek:

http://thegrandnarrative.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/beating-a-dead-horse.gif

MHerstand

Mar 15, 2009, 09:07 PM

rockosmodurnlif

Mar 15, 2009, 09:09 PM

Confirmed that there would be no background apps, but he says that what Apple has coming will wipe away any advantages that Palm has touted with its Pre handheld.
See I thought that backgrounding was the advantage with the Pre. What else does the Pre have?

iParis

Mar 15, 2009, 09:12 PM

I am still awaiting Cut & Paste in OS X :eek:

TROLL! TROLL!
Other than the fact that you're not one since you've been a member for almost seven years.

I appreciate you "sense of humor," but that was an epic failure.

iParis

Mar 15, 2009, 09:14 PM

So no copy/paste of pics? I remember an app developer once proclaiming that Apple was waiting on copy/paste cause they wanted to make it extra useful with things like copying pics, multiple clipboards, (un)stylized paste, etc. I suppose it was a nice dream.

Maybe we can copy pics just by holding our finger on them, like we would to save or open it's link, and there will be a menu with "Copy," along with "Save Photo" and sometimes "Open Link."
And if the photo was already in your photos app and you wanted to copy it, there could be a copy option to the right of name of the folder (such as "saved photos") and the picture number (such as 454 of 456).
Pasting the photo on the other hand is something I have yet to figure out a way to implement.

mrr

Mar 15, 2009, 09:19 PM

Check out this article about the development of Cut & Paste.

http://tinyurl.com/coy4yw

Written by Andy Hertzfeld from _1983_ during the development of the original Mac 128k.

Cut & Paste

That was 25 years ago!

joeshell383

Mar 15, 2009, 09:24 PM

All they have to do is offer a new, cool form factor and it'll sell just fine. For the past year Apple has been selling a technologically obsolete cellphone and it has been selling just fine. Have you been in an Apple Store lately? All these teenage girls have to do, after seeing the new design, is smile and wink at daddy and he'll get them one. They don't know and probably don't care how much RAM it has, as long as it goes well with their new handbag.

It appears you have confused the iPhone target market with the pink and blue iPod nano, pink RAZR, pink Dell notebook, and Sidekick target market.

iParis

Mar 15, 2009, 09:25 PM

iParis

Mar 15, 2009, 09:28 PM

It appears you have confused the iPhone target market with the pink and blue iPod nano, pink RAZR, pink Dell notebook, and Sidekick target market.

That's a little my thought too, although you are wrong with Apple's strategy.
Apple didn't release an iPhone just to make it look sleek and sexy so all the girls can get it, it's a revolutionary phone and is by far not obsolete!