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str1f3
Mar 17, 2009, 01:38 AM
from wsj.com:
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Concert Tickets Get Set Aside, Marked Up by Artists, Managers
Less than a minute after tickets for last August's Neil Diamond concerts at New York's Madison Square Garden went on sale, more than 100 seats were available for hundreds of dollars more than their normal face value on premium-ticket site TicketExchange.com. The seller? Neil Diamond.

Ticket reselling -- also known as scalping -- is an estimated $3 billion-a-year business in which professional brokers buy seats with the hope of flipping them to the public at a hefty markup.

In the case of the Neil Diamond concerts, however, the source of the higher-priced tickets was the singer, working with Ticketmaster Entertainment Inc., which owns TicketExchange, and concert promoter AEG Live. Ticketmaster's former and current chief executives, one of whom is Mr. Diamond's personal manager, have acknowledged the arrangement, as has a person familiar with AEG Live, which is owned by Denver-based Anschutz Corp.

Selling premium-priced tickets on TicketExchange, priced and presented as resales by fans, is a practice used by many other top performers, according to people in the industry. Joseph Freeman, Ticketmaster's senior vice president for legal affairs, says that the company's "Marketplace" pages only rarely list tickets offered by fans.

The vast majority of tickets are sold by the artists and their promoters with the cooperation of Ticketmaster. In fact, he says that for any concert to which Ticketmaster carries so-called platinum seats, the Marketplace sells only artist-sanctioned tickets, not those resold by fans.


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Neil Diamond approved premium ticket sales on a Ticketmaster site.
Though scalping tickets is legal in most states, the spiraling prices for tickets sold in the secondary market are frequently the target of ire from consumers, Congress and artists, all of whom say the practice takes advantage of fans while enriching third-party speculators.

Ticketmaster Chief Executive Irving Azoff said in an interview Tuesday that when ticket brokers resell tickets without permission from artists or promoters, it "drives up prices to fans, without putting any money in the pockets of artists or rights holders."

But Ticketmaster facilitates the secondary ticket market and profits from it. According to several managers of top artists and Ticketmaster executives, the company routinely offers to list hundreds of the best tickets per concert on one of its two resale Web sites -- and divides the extra revenue, which can amount to more than $2 million on a major tour, with artists and promoters.

These platinum seats are sold on Ticketmaster's TicketExchange, which describes itself as a marketplace for "fan-to-fan" transactions, using the slogan "Buy tickets. Sell tickets. It's that simple."

In addition to being Ticketmaster's CEO, Mr. Azoff also oversees the company's Front Line Management division, which handles the affairs of more musicians than any other competitor in the U.S. -- and represents Mr. Diamond. Ticketmaster is in the process of being acquired by concert promoter Live Nation Inc., an all-stock deal that is under intense regulatory scrutiny in part because it could affect competition in the music business, including the secondary ticket market.

Secondary ticket sales are viewed by Ticketmaster, concert promoters and artists as one of the biggest -- yet thorniest -- sources for revenue gains. In 2006, Ticketmaster launched TicketExchange in response to pressure put on its profit margins by secondary-ticket sellers such as StubHub. But in doing so, it opened the company to criticism by ticket brokers, fans and politicians, who accuse the ticketing giant of profiteering and obfuscation.

Ticketmaster is moving to distance itself from some parts of the secondary ticketing market. It is in the process of hiring an investment bank to try to sell another resale service, TicketsNow, according to people familiar with the matter.

Virtually every major concert tour today involves some official tickets that are priced and sold as if they were offered for resale by fans or brokers, but that are set aside by the artists and promoters, according to a number of people involved in the sales.

That includes recent tours by Bon Jovi, Celine Dion and Van Halen, and a current tour starring Billy Joel and Elton John. Spokesmen for Bon Jovi and Ms. Dion had no comment. A spokesman for Van Halen said that the band could not be reached. A booking agent for Messrs. Joel and John did not respond to requests for comment.

Tickets for a March 27 Britney Spears concert at Mellon Arena in Pittsburgh were priced earlier this week at $39.50 to $125 apiece on Ticketmaster.com. But some of those same classes of seats were being offered at the same time through the "TicketExchange Marketplace" for as much as $1,188.60. The link to the Marketplace page was marked, "Browse premium seats plus tickets posted by fans."

Ms. Spears' spokeswoman declined to comment.

The ticket listings are offered in small batches, each at a price, such as $1,164.01, that mimics prices set via online auctions. After inquiries from The Wall Street Journal, the "tickets posted by fans" message was removed from the TicketExchange Web site. Prices also fell, narrowing the gap between Ticketmaster and TicketExchange Marketplace.

Tickets that do not sell at the inflated platinum prices can also be moved between TicketExchange and Ticketmaster's lower-priced main inventory, without any signal to consumers that the ticket's status has been reduced.

Ticket brokers complain that artists sell their own tickets for inflated prices but rarely admit doing so, thus avoiding the appearance of gouging fans. "It's not fair for artists to hide behind Ticketmaster-TicketExchange," said Paul McCann, a broker near Baltimore. Ticketmaster says it is working to clarify the origin of tickets on TicketExchange. "It's cloudy and has to be cleaned up," Mr. Azoff said.

Bruce Springsteen recently decried a recent incident in which his fans were directed without his permission from Ticketmaster to TicketsNow.com, which caters to ticket brokers.

"As a matter of policy we do not ever release tickets to the secondary ticket market nor do we ever accept payment from them," said his manager, Jon Landau. Ticketmaster has said the incident was a mistake.

Ticketmaster says TicketExchange shouldn't be considered scalping. It says the site's "goal is to give the most passionate fans fair and safe access to the best tickets."

In a meeting last May with more than 100 ticket brokers, Ticketmaster's then-chief executive, Sean Moriarty, acknowledged that the ticketing giant had used TicketExchange to sell 160 Neil Diamond tickets over two shows at marked-up prices.

"That's a choice up to Neil and management," Mr. Moriarty said. He did not respond to messages left on his cell phone requesting comment.

"It's our job to make our clients aware of every opportunity that exists," Mr. Azoff, who is Mr. Diamond's manager, said in an interview last year.

Testifying before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Courts and Competition Policy last month, Mr. Azoff said he believes the secondary market is currently flawed. "We agree that this model is broken," he told the panel, "and it needs a solution."
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So what do you think on this matter?



Let's Sekuhara!
Mar 17, 2009, 01:43 AM
So what do you think on this matter?

I think most mainstream music sucks and the major labels were milking you long before you bought the tix.
Stick to the underground scenes. They're more rewarding.

Mr. Giver '94
Mar 17, 2009, 02:06 AM
I think most mainstream music sucks and the major labels were milking you long before you bought the tix.
Stick to the underground scenes. They're more rewarding.

And a lot of times the music is much better. :)

Just buy mainstream songs on iTunes. Hell, half the time they just lip sync their performances anyway.

Plus a lot of less well known groups will have free performances just because they want people to come and watch them.

str1f3
Mar 17, 2009, 12:07 PM
i understand what you're saying but a lot people are fans of these groups (everybody likes at least one van halen song) & grew up with them. i support the neko case, bon iver, santigold, mgmt, plants & animals,etc.. but all mainstream music is not garbage and all are not jerks like these people (see NIN). van halen & bon jovi built a fanbase just like some of these artists today. who's to say that today's artist won't become tomorrow's sellout. a person can see why a lot of people view torrenting as justifiable.

i hope some of these musicians start to learn that this is a new age and that paying customers will no longer support their excessive lifestyle of coke and hookers 24/7.


everybody i'm sure has liked michael jacksons' music at one point or another.
check this out (also from wsj.com):
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AEG Accuses Ticket Agent Of Scalping Jackson Show

Concert promoter AEG Live is fighting with a ticket-selling agent that it alleges was trying to scalp huge numbers of tickets to Michael Jackson's run of 50 concerts in London.

The controversy comes on the heels of revelations last week that concert-industry insiders routinely engage in coordinated efforts to sell tickets to the public at inflated prices, while disguising their origin.


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Michael Jackson
The prospect of scalpers' dealing in so-called primary-market tickets to the shows at London's O2 arena could mar one of the highest-profile concerts in years.

On Friday, AEG scored a temporary victory in court. A judge ordered the agent, Viagogo Ltd., to agree not to offer or provide Jackson tickets to any resellers.

Viagogo Chief Executive Eric Baker didn't respond to three voice messages left on his cellphone over the weekend.

London-based Viagogo operates a Web site that is primarily used by fans and brokers to resell sports and concert tickets, much like StubHub in the U.S.

Tickets to Mr. Jackson's run at the O2 arena were normally priced at £50 to £75 ($70 to $105). Those seats sold out in five hours, according to AEG, which is owned by billionaire Phil Anschutz's Anschutz Corp. AEG says it set aside about 10% of the seats, or 1,700 a night, as "official premium" tickets, to be sold for several times those prices. Mr. Jackson's role, if any, in the markup plan wasn't clear. His manager, Tohme Tohme, declined to comment.

The main ticketing Web site for the concert series, MichaelJacksonLive.com, contains a link to Viagogo, where premium tickets are mixed in with resold tickets. The latter are supposed to be offered only by fans, though there is no way to determine whether any given ticket is being resold at a markup, or part of the premium offering. On Sunday, the higher-priced tickets were £145 to £275.

Similar arrangements came under scrutiny last week, after senior executives of Ticketmaster Entertainment Inc. acknowledged to The Wall Street Journal they had helped artists and their managers sell their own concert tickets at higher-than-normal prices in an online marketplace. Though the marketplace purported to offer tickets for resale by fans, Ticketmaster executives acknowledged it carried only higher-priced primary tickets.

Viagogo sent an email, which was viewed by the Journal, to scalpers and resale services offering to cut bulk deals on inventory.

"We went nuclear" upon seeing the missive, AEG Live Chief Executive Randy Phillips said. "It was not our intent to sell to brokers."
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what do you think about this?

iJohnHenry
Mar 17, 2009, 12:12 PM
"We went nuclear" upon seeing the missive, AEG Live Chief Executive Randy Phillips said. "It was not our intent to get caught selling to brokers."

Fixed that. :rolleyes:

jono_3
Mar 25, 2009, 04:31 AM
wow the ticket industry sounds like the only one still making money in our most current of times

alFR
Mar 25, 2009, 05:24 AM
Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails) gives his thoughts on this sort of thing here:

http://bit.ly/16taGa