Beta Firmware

[joshsroka]

Do all developers get access to beta firmware? just wondering in case beta 3.0 comes out today, would that be under the downloads section in the developers area? was wondering how it wored for 2.0 thanks

[dejo]

Do all developers get access to beta firmware? just wondering in case beta 3.0 comes out today, would that be under the downloads section in the developers area? was wondering how it wored for 2.0 thanks
Seems to me that developers who were accepted into the program during the initial beta period (before mid-July of last year) get access to the beta firmware, whereas I've never had access to any beta and have had to wait until the firmware was released to the public, and which point I could download the new SDK and test my apps to ensure they still work under the new firmware. Hopefully this policy will change with 3.0.

[ethana]

I too am hopeful that will change. I'd love to see ALL devs get access to 3.0 beta but won't be allowed to publish the apps until 3.0 is actually released. That would be the fair thing to do.

But, it's probably wishful thinking.

[ethana]

My wish came true! YES! YES! I will be installing 3.0 Beta immediately.

Hopefully the damn App Store problems will be fixed today as well.

[alw4416]

not to sound like a total idiot, but where can i get beta 3.0?

My wish came true! YES! YES! I will be installing 3.0 Beta immediately.

Hopefully the damn App Store problems will be fixed today as well.

[dejo]

not to sound like a total idiot, but where can i get beta 3.0?
If you're a registered iPhone Developer, from the iPhone Dev Center (once it's back up). If not, you're SOL.

[noah82]

So does anybody know if I apply to be an iPhone developer and pay my $99 fee today, will I be able to download the beta?

[dejo]

So does anybody know if I apply to be an iPhone developer and pay my $99 fee today, will I be able to download the beta?
Even if you apply today, it'll probably be a few days before you're even accepted. And you don't need to pay the $99 to get access to the SDK. That part is free.

[kwyn]

Can anyone signed up install the firmware? Even from a PC and itunes?

[ethana]

Also, 3.0 Beta may not have all of the features announced today, and the ones they do have may not be working.

If you're not a developer, then DONT SIGN UP. It's not worth the $99 to turn your iPhone into a brick if something screws up. You'll get a working copy in June like everyone else.

My guess is that this will be mostly an SDK Beta, where many user features may not even be turned on yet.

[dejo]

Can anyone signed up install the firmware? Even from a PC and itunes?
No, you'll need an Intel-based Mac.

[ToM-RSC]

If anyone gets the direct link to this, it'll be appreciated. I'm loading one page every 20 minutes or so in the Dev Center. (Yes, I am an iPhone dev who has paid the $99 last year)

[bbrosemer]

Yeah direct link to SDK and 3.0 firmware would be great if anyone gets through ... not too lucky right now

[KoolStar]

The iphone dev page is down.
As of 4:41PM EST, I get Http/1.1 Service Unavailable

[bbrosemer]

The iphone dev page is down.

TUAW seems to say its back up ... http://www.tuaw.com/2009/03/17/iphone-dev-center-is-back-get-your-beta-now/

[KoolStar]

Every once and a while I get Safari can’t open the page.
Safari can’t open the page “http://developer.apple.com/iphone/” because the server unexpectedly dropped the connection. This sometimes occurs when the server is busy. Wait for a few minutes, and then try again.

[bbrosemer]

Every once and a while I get

I just got in fro the first time ... but it thought I wasn't logged in ... oh well

[bbrosemer]

Also when I got it ... I did not see anywhere to download SDK 3.0 or iPhone 3.0

[bbrosemer]

Come on site load ... my phone is sitting next to me craving 3.0 and every 15 min as it checks for new email it keeps letting outs its small groan emanating through the speakers saying upgrade me to 3.0 ... gotta love poorly shielded speakers and ATT service

[bbrosemer]

THE 3.0 SDK IS FOR PAID DEVELOPERS ONLY AND 3.0 FIRMWARE ... If you are not a part of the paid program please kindly leave the ADC iPhone site so paid developers can get thorough ... :D

[Kahnyl]

Besides the beta-ness will the phone fully function with the beta firmware? Like network access, Wifi etc.? Some devices I've tried in the past were crippled with beta firmwares. I have two iPhones so I'm not too bothered about paying $99 installing buggy firmware to try out the new stuff.

[bbrosemer]

Is the whole iPhone ADC down

[bbrosemer]

Besides the beta-ness will the phone fully function with the beta firmware? Like network access, Wifi etc.? Some devices I've tried in the past were crippled with beta firmwares. I have two iPhones so I'm not too bothered about paying $99 installing buggy firmware to try out the new stuff.

By the time your 99 is approved it could be June already with 3.0 out for free...

[Malfoy]

If it was any other site I'd swear they got /.ed...

[detz]

I've accepted the new terms four times now and I still can't see it, it's like it's not updating which could be because it's so bogged down.

[bbrosemer]

Clicked login now sitting on the magical grey spinner of safari 3.0 ... or 4.0 whatever version the beta is

[ethana]

Clicked login now sitting on the magical grey spinner of safari 3.0 ... or 4.0 whatever version the beta is

Down again. I might just give up until late tonight when traffic dies down. Maybe Midnight PST or so.

[fenrus110]

Is it advisable to install the beta firmware on an unlocked iPhone?

I guess I could stick with the Simulator...

[ToM-RSC]

I wouldn't fenrus. ;)

Also, you need to log in to the dev center to access the link, still.

You can just skip a page to get to the link, though. (That's about 30 minutes less waiting time. :D)

Now downloading at 25/30kB/s. This is gonna be a long night - oh yeah, night, awesome. Heh. :P

[SilentPanda]

If you're a registered paid dev, you have to accept the new TOS and only then can you get the download. So the direct link isn't even much use to anybody I don't think.

I was just able to get in and downloading at a steady 2.2 MB/sec according to Firefox. 16 minutes left... about 1.7GB to go. It's 2.1GB total.

Edit: Oh wait that's the 3.0 SDK... :)

[detz]

Yeah, SDK should be done in 40 minutes, OS in 2!

[Jeremy1026]

I am now running 3.0 :cool:

[rdowty]

I finally got my downloads going. The phone update is done and installing now. Couldn't figure out how to do it at first. You open the ipsw file in iTunes and do a restore. The SDK will be done downloading in 10 minutes.

[Encryptic]

I am now running 3.0 :cool:

Mine's downloaded... I'm waiting for my phone to be backed up before I move forward...

[SilentPanda]

Since 3.0 makes it so you can't revert to 2.2.1... and I only have one phone (mine!) what do people do? Just go with it and still hope they can use it as their phone? If I buy another phone don't they both need to be activated and then I'd have to pay for 2 cell services?

[ksmith173]

Got my 3.0 installed :)

Anyone have any luck with MMS? I had a friend send me one, still got the stupid viewmymessage.com thing (I am guessing AT&T's fault). I can't seem to send any though. It just hangs at the end of the progress bar. Ah well, its a beta OS.

Back to fiddling with it.

[ToM-RSC]

How are you guys getting it so quick? :rolleyes:

I usually get downloads of 800-900kB/s so how come I am only getting 30? :confused:

I just presumed it was a problem on Apple's side.. Guess not..

Hmm, maybe because I'm in the UK, and I've got people 'competing' with me because we want to leave it to download overnight?

[bbrosemer]

Mine's downloaded... I'm waiting for my phone to be backed up before I move forward...

I just keep getting HTTP/1.1 Service Unavailable

[Malfoy]

My dl is complete. What's the pre install advisory say? I keep trying to dl it but it keeps fialing

[bbrosemer]

Finally downloading SDK 3.0 and OS 3.0

[Encryptic]

I just keep getting HTTP/1.1 Service Unavailable

I just sat there and hit refresh until I saw the download fire into my list... Servers are bogged down by the thousands of developers, and thousands of new people who want to join the program to get the new OS...

[bbrosemer]

I just sat there and hit refresh until I saw the download fire into my list... Servers are bogged down by the thousands of developers, and thousands of new people who want to join the program to get the new OS...

I don't think the new people should have been allowed on today make them wait till tomorrow not that it would have mattered that much but it would have been nice perk for the developers who have been around since 2.0

[KoolStar]

I managed to start my downloads, I am currently downloading all os's and SDK.

[Nall]

Got my 3.0 installed :)

Anyone have any luck with MMS? I had a friend send me one, still got the stupid viewmymessage.com thing (I am guessing AT&T's fault). I can't seem to send any though. It just hangs at the end of the progress bar. Ah well, its a beta OS.

Back to fiddling with it.
You're not the only one to report this.

I think maybe it's not enabled by AT&T or something.

[bbrosemer]

Anyone get into the SDK yet and figure out how to make playlists and control audio in your app yet :P

[detz]

Anyone get into the SDK yet and figure out how to make playlists and control audio in your app yet :P

I'm doing Maps and Local network stuff first. What sucks is we have to wait a few months to release anything with these features, I guess that gives me plenty of time to create a really polished app.

[ethana]

Can I not create iPhone 2.2.1 apps with this? If I can ONLY create 3.0 apps them I am going to have to hold off on installing the Beta. DAMN.

[bbrosemer]

I know we can't test 2.2.1 apps on the device but can we use our old apps on 3.0 the ones we have bought?

Can I not create iPhone 2.2.1 apps with this? If I can ONLY create 3.0 apps them I am going to have to hold off on installing the Beta. DAMN.

You can create 2.2.1 apps you just can't test them on the phone ... i think

[bbrosemer]

Can I not create iPhone 2.2.1 apps with this? If I can ONLY create 3.0 apps them I am going to have to hold off on installing the Beta. DAMN.

Nope apparently you can't do anything 2.2.1 on the device ... that is stupid anyone get 3.0 installed though and see if your apps are gone ... I would so miss my apps...

[mx12]

I have finally gotten through to the ADC website and I started to download the new firmware. It looks like though you might not be able to downgrade, here is a quote from the PreInstall advisory:

By installing iPhone OS 3.0
beta software on your Authorized Test Devices, these Devices are permanently
“locked” into testing mode and cannot be restored to earlier versions of iPhone
OS.

[zerocustom1989]

So I need to pay 99$ for the 3.0 beta?

Would My download eligibility be instant, or would the lengthy approval process hinder my 3.0 enjoyment?

Could i just download the 3.0 OS and install it on my phone without having to deal with the developer mess? Or would this crack path cause problems?

[ethana]

So I need to pay 99$ for the 3.0 beta?

Would My download eligibility be instant, or would the lengthy approval process hinder my 3.0 enjoyment?

Could i just download the 3.0 OS and install it on my phone without having to deal with the developer mess? Or would this crack path cause problems?

zerocustom1989 - Lengthy approval process. You will NOT get instant access for $99 as far as I remember (I have had access since July, so I don't know if this is still the case).

You're better off just waiting until it hits the torrent sites.

Ethan

[ethana]

Nope apparently you can't do anything 2.2.1 on the device ... that is stupid anyone get 3.0 installed though and see if your apps are gone ... I would so miss my apps...

So ALL 2.x apps that you've installed go away? Can you get them again via the App Store? I'm a little confused here as to what 3.0 won't allow you to do.

I want to get the straight answer before I start installing stuff.

[martay]

If I get the 3.0 SDK, can I still write for 2.2.1 devices?
If I put 3.0 firmware on my iphone, can I still run 2.2.1 apps (either my old apps from the store or 2.2.1 apps I write)?
Does anybody have a clear answer on this yet?

Basically, should I be purchasing a dev ipod touch (not getting another iphone because I'll need another AT&T plan). And, should I be purchasing another mac for development?

[fenrus110]

It would suck if our XCode and Devices were locked to 3.0 development only. We need to confirm some answers make a sticky about it.

Is there a timeline estimation of when 3.0 official will be released?

[detz]

Just do a backup before you install, if it sucks rollback.

[fishkorp]

Just do a backup before you install, if it sucks rollback.

You can't. Once you go to 3.0 you can't go back to 3.0. Apple makes this very clear.

[I'm a Mac]

Has anyone tried resyncing with iTunes after the 3.0 install/ any words on app backwards compatibility?

[arubinst]

Just do a backup before you install, if it sucks rollback.
There's no rolling back, I'm afraid:

By installing iPhone OS 3.0 beta software on your Authorized Test Devices, these Devices are permanently “locked” into testing mode and cannot be restored to earlier versions of iPhone OS.

[bbrosemer]

Well seeing that I am having enough trouble getting 3.0 on my device I can't say

Here it goes will update you all on what happens

[bbrosemer]

OK guys I am now restoring in itunes ... So the best way to install 3.0 is through organizer in xcode doesn't have to be the new SDK to do this part

Almost done restoring in iTunes

Phone is restarting

[detz]

There's no rolling back, I'm afraid:

Time Machine > anything.

[detz]

Phone is restarting

Then you have to restore the backup and sync your apps...mines in that stage now. :-)

[bbrosemer]

Glad to be the guinea pig for everyone

[martay]

bbrosemer, when 3.0 came up, were your purchased apps still there and functional?

[wakka092]

So ALL 2.x apps that you've installed go away? Can you get them again via the App Store? I'm a little confused here as to what 3.0 won't allow you to do.

I want to get the straight answer before I start installing stuff.

I've upgraded to 3.0. All of your old apps are there. They all run.

Other than that, I am subject to the NDA. :)

[bbrosemer]

Then you have to restore the backup and sync your apps...mines in that stage now. :-)

Oh another guinea pig

bbrosemer, when 3.0 came up, were your purchased apps still there and functional?

Yes they are ... so I do not see why you can't build 2.2.1 apps in the new sdk but whatever so the moral of the story is you can install 3.0 without the SDK ... and moreover if you want to hold off on upgrading the SDK ... go right ahead and you will still be able to develop for 2.2.1 .. just not on your phone

[martay]

Well, I'd like to attack 3.0 now, but continue 2.2.1 dev. So, I guess the next logical question is can I install the 3.0 SDK but still compile for 2.2.1? Or, can I perhaps have both SDK's installed on the same box as if they're 2 separate programs?

If possible, it sounds like the latter is the way to go.

[bbrosemer]

Well, I'd like to attack 3.0 now, but continue 2.2.1 dev. So, I guess the next logical question is can I install the 3.0 SDK but still compile for 2.2.1? Or, can I perhaps have both SDK's installed on the same box as if they're 2 separate programs?

If possible, it sounds like the latter is the way to go.

I do not think you can have both installed my suggestion and what I will be doing ... if you have another machine install the 3.0 sdk on that one ... so you can continue to test and develop for 2.2.1 just you will be stuck with the simulator ... but oh well...

Syncing 14GB of crap takes forever

IDK if it was just me but sync seemed slow

[martay]

I do not think you can have both installed my suggestion and what I will be doing ... if you have another machine install the 3.0 sdk on that one ... so you can continue to test and develop for 2.2.1 just you will be stuck with the simulator ... but oh well...

That's what I was afraid of. I'd like some more confirmation on this, but it sounds like I'll be running out for a mac mini in a few days.

[detz]

Can't seem to find the new maps framework...:confused:

[rubyruby]

Is there any option to go back to 2.2.1, if I install the firmware 3.0?

Regards,

rubyruby

[joshsroka]

I was able to put my adhoc 2.21 apps back on xcode, therefore you can build for 2.21 in the 3.0 xcode

[Menge]

Can anyone with an iPhone 2G tell me the modem baseband version?

[martay]

joshsroka, this is what I fear the most (from the 'read me before downloading' section of the developer page):

iPhone SDK for iPhone OS 3.0 beta is for development use only. This new version should only be deployed on devices dedicated for iPhone OS 3.0 beta software development and cannot be used for submitting iPhone OS 2.2.1 applications.

[I'm a Mac]

If you have two macs, the best thing is to only update one of the SDKs. As someone said, you'll be stuck with the simulator, but at least you'll be able to compile 2.2.1 apps.

So wait, if you have music and apps on your phone, are you better off restoring through iTunes or through the organizer?

[fishkorp]

After updating the OS iTunes won't sync any of my purchases apps. They all give me the E8000001 error :(

[ToM-RSC]

Installed the 3.0 Beta, neither iPod or Mail will launch. Everything else appears fine..

Rebooted a couple of times still with no luck.

Previous Cydia Emojii hack still remains on the phone (Yay!).

Can't figure out how to actually send an MMS, though..

Anyone else got this problem with iPod and Mail?

[ethana]

Did an upgrade to 3.0 Beta.

Everything works perfect. All old apps are there are work. Haven't tried any new app purchases or syncing yet.

Will just test my 2.x apps on my iPod Touch for now.

All new features announced are in 3.0 and work nicely. Noticed a few minor bugs but nothing major.

Ethan

[fishkorp]

After updating the OS iTunes won't sync any of my purchases apps. They all give me the E8000001 error :(

Update: some apps sync. Many don't :(

[ethana]

What about just re-downloading them from the App Store right onto your phone?

[I'm a Mac]

For those of you who have successfully installed 3.0 and have working apps, did you restore from the organizer or iTunes? And did you restore from a backup?

[fishkorp]

What about just re-downloading them from the App Store right onto your phone?

I just did yet another sync and now all the ones that wouldn't sync before successfully sync'd. Weird. But I'm happy now.

[wakka092]

For those of you who have successfully installed 3.0 and have working apps, did you restore from the organizer or iTunes? And did you restore from a backup?
iTunes.

Anyone know where the Voice Notes app is?! It's suspiciously absent on my iPod touch.

[Jeremy1026]

iTunes.

Anyone know where the Voice Notes app is?! It's suspiciously absent on my iPod touch.

It was put on page 2 for me on my iPhone 3G.

[CarlosH]

It was put on page 2 for me on my iPhone 3G.

So, I have installed iPhone OS 3.0 on my iPhone 3G and everything is fine. If I install the iPhone SDK 3.0, can I compile apps for 2.2.1, or only for 3.0? I have an iPod Touch, which I will leave with current iPhone OS to test apps for 2.2.1

[ksmith173]

So far, all apps I have tried work fine. It seems that visual voicemail is missing....

[bbrosemer]

Installed the 3.0 Beta, neither iPod or Mail will launch. Everything else appears fine..

Rebooted a couple of times still with no luck.

Previous Cydia Emojii hack still remains on the phone (Yay!).

Can't figure out how to actually send an MMS, though..

Anyone else got this problem with iPod and Mail?

No problems other then no visual voicemail

I guess no one wants to be the 3.0 sdk guinea pig ... I guess I'll do it as soon as it's done downloading ... about 2 more hours

[kwjohns]

It's a little discouraging to see so many people having such random issues with the same hardware with certain functions not working or missing.

[wakka092]

It was put on page 2 for me on my iPhone 3G.
Weird. I still don't see it.

[bbrosemer]

It's a little discouraging to see so many people having such random issues with the same hardware with certain functions not working or missing.

For me ... as I said the only issue seems to be a bit slow syncing ... I can live with that

[I'm a Mac]

I finally let my curiosity get the better of me and I installed 3.0., through iTunes. I set it up as a new phone, to avoid any issues (and maybe get rid of the issues I was having with 2.2.1) and it's taking a while to put my stuff back on, but so far, everything seems alright. I had a brief moment of panic after I hit the button, but I've accepted the consequences and convinced myself that the benefits outweight the risk (my warranty was expired anyway, and I was planning on getting the new phone when it came out [hopefully June, or earlier] so we'll give this a shot) The no turning back did scare me a little, but, I'm living on the EDGE- ha!

[bbrosemer]

I finally let my curiosity get the better of me and I installed 3.0., through iTunes. I set it up as a new phone, to avoid any issues (and maybe get rid of the issues I was having with 2.2.1) and it's taking a while to put my stuff back on, but so far, everything seems alright. I had a brief moment of panic after I hit the button, but I've accepted the consequences and convinced myself that the benefits outweight the risk (my warranty was expired anyway, and I was planning on getting the new phone when it came out [hopefully June, or earlier] so we'll give this a shot) The no turning back did scare me a little, but, I'm living on the EDGE- ha!

As I said there seem to be no issues with my phone and 3.0 ... that being said I was hoping someone had downloaded SDK 3.0 to see if you could publish apps as 2.2.1 or any older version ... just not test on the device if so ... I can live with that

[kwjohns]

For me ... as I said the only issue seems to be a bit slow syncing ... I can live with that

And no visual voicemail? :p

[bbrosemer]

And no visual voicemail? :p

True but as I said nothing I can't live without ... I know you were joking ... but yeah didn't have Visual Voice for 3 months as I got the phone without contract .. :D

[kwjohns]

Anyone tried any downgrading, yet? That's the #1 thing that concerns me considering this is my personal phone that I develop on and I'd rather it not suck to use for the next 3 months. :o

[bbrosemer]

In thinking about SDK 3.0 prior to installing it ... I am going to assume that you can not compile for 2.2.1 because of all the new API's that are opened up and the existing changes or expansions of the API's that you previously had access too. Therefore it is my belief that if you have installed SDK 3.0 you will only be making apps for SDK 3.0 on it...

[kwjohns]

In thinking about SDK 3.0 prior to installing it ... I am going to assume that you can not compile for 2.2.1 because of all the new API's that are opened up and the existing changes or expansions of the API's that you previously had access too. Therefore it is my belief that if you have installed SDK 3.0 you will only be making apps for SDK 3.0 on it...

You can.

http://www.iphonedevsdk.com/forum/61772-post6.html

[detz]

In every version Apple has released you could always build for previous versions and don't know why this would be any different. You have to select what target you want when you build it so as long as you're not using frameworks that are no in older versions you can go back to 2.0. It wont actually let you build with the wrong version, if you select a previous version and you have new stuff you get errors.

I just built a 2.2 and a 2.0 app and they built and installed fine.

[aames]

And no visual voicemail? :p

Works for me

Youtube's broken though

[bbrosemer]

You can.

http://www.iphonedevsdk.com/forum/61772-post6.html

Awesome thanks for the info ... this is y the forums are awesome

Works for me

Youtube's broken though

Apparently youtube isn't working for me either ... oh well :'(

and Visual Voicemail seems to be working again on my phone!!

[wakka092]

YouTube working fine on my iPod Touch. You can now login, rate, and comment from your device. Very nice.

[ethana]

Anyone having certificate issues when trying to run an app on their iPhone with 3.0 on it?

Mine says some error about a profile certificate all of the sudden.

[tmhyland]

Anyone who why I cant activate now? says invalid sim? i am a registered dev too. WTF:mad:

[ToM-RSC]

Maybe contact Apple?

Also, iPod still won't launch for me.. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, and for those saying that it takes too long to sync, you could have always used the 'Update' button instead of doing a restore to 3.0. :P

[Luke Redpath]

Anyone who why I cant activate now? says invalid sim? i am a registered dev too. WTF:mad:

Damn, good thing you only installed it on a test device and not your regular-use phone right? :p

[neiltc13]

I'm getting an error about my bundle identifier now that I installed 3.0 SDK. I'd post this on the official Apple boards but they are down.

Apparently "*" is now an invalid character to have in there, despite all the descriptions on the Apple site of using it if you aren't going to be storing data on the phone?

[Andbert]

Can anyone do me a big favor and activate my phone, on their developer account, as a developer iPhone?

Would really appreciate it!
Thanks!

[bbrosemer]

Does anyone know what aspects of the 3.0 SDK if any are under NDA because there is some questions I certainly have after using it.

[dejo]

Does anyone know what aspects of the 3.0 SDK if any are under NDA because there is some questions I certainly have after using it.
See Section 10.1 of the iPhone Standard Agreement.

[detz]

Does anyone know what aspects of the 3.0 SDK if any are under NDA because there is some questions I certainly have after using it.

I'm sure if they are basic enough you will be fine, in the iPhone forum people are giving away the iPhone OS and selling it so if anything Apple will go after them first. ;-)

[Kahnyl]

Anyone else getting this error while trying to download the OS and SDK?

An error occurred while processing your request.
Reference #171.e57e7a5c.1237396087.369a9eac

[bbrosemer]

Anyone else getting this error while trying to download the OS and SDK?

An error occurred while processing your request.
Reference #171.e57e7a5c.1237396087.369a9eac

I just got that trying to look at the SDK 3.0 agreement

most of the 3.0 links seem to be messed up?

[cparkphoto]

yep been getting that error all morning...... wish i had had time to just download it last night..

[Kahnyl]

I was able to access the docs all day on my iPhone, but now I'm home at my computer trying to get the SDK the site's screwed.:rolleyes:

[bbrosemer]

Just to tell everyone apple's dev forum is back up and running ...

[I'm a Mac]

Has anyone else had problems with multi-touch in the photos app? For some reason resizing and then moving the image is really screwy.

[tmhyland]

So I tried to install the 3.0 software after registering on the site. :mad: I did everything correctly. I went to Apple and got my phone replaced (I know people :D) went home and tried it again. SAME ISSUE. got the phone replaced again, and I am way to scared to try it again. What the heck went wrong???

[kwjohns]

So I tried to install the 3.0 software after registering on the site. :mad: I did everything correctly. I went to Apple and got my phone replaced (I know people :D) went home and tried it again. SAME ISSUE. got the phone replaced again, and I am way to scared to try it again. What the heck went wrong???

Can't say I feel sorry for non-developers joining the developer program just to get the beta. But keep buying, people. You're just helping Apple make more money for access to a buggy beta. lol

[lmcintyre]

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[I'm a Mac]

Just curious, when Apple releases an update, how to do you update the phone without restoring? Can itunes detect it?