Live Coverage of iPhone 3.0 Media Event [Archive] - Page 4

Digital Skunk

Mar 17, 2009, 02:03 PM

High-Five euro-buddy!

I always laugh at their $100 a month "Unlimited" plans, when here in Ireland, I pay $25 for the same...

And then the excitement of them about 3G. You're so cute! 'ickle Amewickans!:D

Oh wait, you're in Ireland.... never mind. :D

Either way this 3.0 stuff is a lot of plusses for the iphone and ipod touch users. Took Apple long enough but a majority of the things that should have been standard have finally come.

Now we all have to find something new to gripe about.... like @$$hole comments from across the pond.

Manic Mouse

Mar 17, 2009, 02:03 PM

Looks like an excellent all-round update. The iPhone now has every feature anyone could really ask for. We got copy/paste, we got turn-by-turn, we got landscape keyboards, we got MMS and even more to boot!

The one thing left is possibly background processes, for things like OmniFocus, but I don't think we'll get them because of battery life, and a redesigned springboard/desktop.

ri0ku

Mar 17, 2009, 02:03 PM

LOL at everyone crying 'these features should have been available in the first place'.

If you've got an iPhone, you knew what you were buying.

If you haven't got one, what's the problem?

actualy think about what your saying... your telling me that when people 1st bought the iphone apple advertised on the box "Just beware this doesnt have copy and paste yet"

So in all fairness... you dont fully know what your buying unless you absolutely try it out for yourself...

jonesy16

Mar 17, 2009, 02:03 PM

It doesn't, seems to be a cop-out for getting those iPhone users (who's contract is about to run out) to upgrade.

Even the 3G hasn't been out for a year. Many of us 2G owners are only halfway through our contracts ...

Hamburger3

Mar 17, 2009, 02:04 PM

...Fees paid to the carrier arent irrelevant. You cant buy an iPhone without paying a $70/month fee at the very least (thats BEFORE taxes)

Yes you can. Im in the Uk and you can get the iphone payg.

$550 to buy the phone and $14 per month to top up and get unlimited data.

Not everyone is in the USA.

t22design

Mar 17, 2009, 02:04 PM

actualy think about what your saying... your telling me that when people 1st bought the iphone apple advertised on the box "Just beware this doesnt have copy and paste yet"

So in all fairness... you dont fully know what your buying unless you absolutely try it out for yourself...

Genius. Want to buy something? Sounds like you'll buy anything.

Mastidon

Mar 17, 2009, 02:06 PM

However I am little disappointed. How come these "We know everything" sites, like Engadget, or all these guests from tech media had the chance to ask an intelligent question and they ask: Why did it take so long for Copy & Paste? or What about Netbooks? or Are you working to improve Performance?

Don't tell me you did not know the answer, or lack of it, before the question was asked.

Yet, nobody asked How is Apple planning to differentiate their iPhone ecosystem to keep it "years ahead" (the way it was 2 years ago), considering that today's announcements are pretty much (80%) a "catch-up" with the rest of the crowd (at least pre-announced)?

I think the audience was hand picked to ask easy questions. No other explanation possible.

killmoms

Mar 17, 2009, 02:06 PM

And this is why my sig is what it is.
:rolleyes:

Because not everyone rolls over and accepts Apple's failings and trumpets them as successes?

I enjoy Apple's products, I like using them, and they all work together well (even if they're a bit expensive). I bought the original iPhone on day one, for full price, knowing full well what it could and couldn't do, and again I've enjoyed using it. But I'm sick of the fanboy mentality that everything they do is great and that we have to endorse all of it.

The truth is that while the iPhone did a lot of new things and did them well when it came out, there were many basic things that it did not do, basic things that it is finally getting two years later. You don't have to be an Apple-hater to realize that... but you do have to be an Apple-fanboy to deny it. :rolleyes:

scirica

Mar 17, 2009, 02:06 PM

Having trouble with so many glasshalffull posts today. Regardless of whether in someone's opinion many of these features should have been in the original iPhone, they weren't. And now those and many more are included in this updated and extended platform. I for one (and obviously I'm not alone) am very happy with today's announcements and am looking forward to June.

In the meantime...give me my slingplayer application...that will keep me busy until WWDC.

Syrus28

Mar 17, 2009, 02:06 PM

Even the 3G hasn't been out for a year. Many of us 2G owners are only halfway through our contracts ...

True, although I'm referring to those 1st year buyers of the iPhone 2G, who won't have access to some of the new features. Nevertheless, Apple/At&t will probably have some "upgrade" program again to extend the contracts of iPhone users.

OllyW

Mar 17, 2009, 02:06 PM

Even the 3G hasn't been out for a year. Many of us 2G owners are only halfway through our contracts ...

I'm already halfway through the contract on my 3G. ;)

Digital Skunk

Mar 17, 2009, 02:07 PM

So in all fairness... you dont fully know what your buying unless you absolutely try it out for yourself...

This is very true, especially given that Apple constantly shows the iPhone's speed incorrectly in their adverts. I would argue that some users get the iPhone and find out it's a completely different user experience than the one given by the commercials and mindless iPhone junkies.

ri0ku

Mar 17, 2009, 02:07 PM

Genius. Want to buy something? Sounds like you'll buy anything.

eh? lol what I said was a legitimit comment... sounds like your a nerd with a rage factor :S...

I dont actualy own a Iphone but for someone like you to post something that sounded stupid and I replied with something that was logical it sounds like you got mad :S maybe you can get your mammmy to buy you some chocolate just copy and paste this message into a text message on your iphone its simple and fast!

mammy I need some chocolate < copy and paste then send and your all done

Lol get outa here man

lftrghtparadigm

Mar 17, 2009, 02:07 PM

I love these events. There's really no need to post, just read..

The features are great, but far more entertaining are the hoards of insanely immature and certainly unstable people who voice their rebuttal.

The best of the day have to be the original iPhone whiners over mms. Hilarious content.

NT1440

Mar 17, 2009, 02:07 PM

So in all fairness... you dont fully know what your buying unless you absolutely try it out for yourself...

Or you do that horribly difficult task of reading reviews online:rolleyes:

Apple isnt there to hold a bad shoppers hand, its their own damn fault if they choose to blow hundreds of dollars with no research.

CandyShop

Mar 17, 2009, 02:08 PM

You paid $300 for your iPod, I'm paying $2,000 for my iPhone. Suck it up.

^ Thank you for stating that! :)

jonesy16

Mar 17, 2009, 02:08 PM

Oh, and what's up with not addressing what the 3.0 upgrade cost will be on the original iPhone? Free for 3G, $10 for iPod touch, and "available" for the original iPhone. HUH???

shiseiryu1

Mar 17, 2009, 02:08 PM

Overall I'm really happy with the announced updates. Why aren't they allowing video recording though? Not a biggie, I'm just curious. I like the landscape keyboard...if for nothing else that it at least makes the UI more consistent. Copy/Paste is nice and the background app stuff should allow for some cool apps. The future is looking bright. :)

NT1440

Mar 17, 2009, 02:09 PM

Oh, and what's up with not addressing what the 3.0 upgrade cost will be on the original iPhone? Free for 3G, $10 for iPod touch, and "available" for the original iPhone. HUH???

Well if you look at the PICTURES, the slide CLEARLY shows the original iphone, and the 3g iphone with the caption FREE FOR THE IPHONE.

Syrus28

Mar 17, 2009, 02:10 PM

I'm already halfway through the contract on my 3G. ;)

...It came out July 11, 2008. That's 8 months, which is not halfway (unless you bought it wholesale)

ri0ku

Mar 17, 2009, 02:11 PM

Or you do that horribly difficult task of reading reviews online:rolleyes:

Apple isnt there to hold a bad shoppers hand, its their own damn fault if they choose to blow hundreds of dollars with no research.

Ok so what if your a parent or relative or what not buying it as a present for someone? no offence but I wouldnt read up on reviews for stuff like presents (im not a parent btw) but i think the parent mindset is like... "ok lets get him/her this all his/her friends seem to have them or talk about them"

then you can counter that argument with "well it doesnt concern them because there not buying it for themselves"

either way.. you dont fully know what your buying unless you actualy try it out for yourself... and in reviews some are wrong.. or some are bias... just my 2 cents...

iPhoneJoe

Mar 17, 2009, 02:11 PM

I'm amazed that they addressed pretty much every complaint I had with my iPhone

Doju

Mar 17, 2009, 02:11 PM

JoshJosh117

Mar 17, 2009, 02:11 PM

Why do iPod Touch users always have to pay 10 dollars??!

feakbeak

Mar 17, 2009, 02:11 PM

Where is my Voice Activated Dialing??? :mad:
Yeah, this update had almost everything I wanted except voice dialing. I had a much less expensive phone from 5+ years ago that had this functionality, it is not difficult. I don't understand why Apple is holding out on this one.

jonjamesm

Mar 17, 2009, 02:11 PM

why isnt the stereo bluetooth upgrade accepted in the old iphones? - Everyone with a set of bt headphones has done the voicemail trick, why cant they just get it to work with the ipod feature?!

Looks like I'm going back to ibluetoothproject.com again... boo

t22design

Mar 17, 2009, 02:12 PM

...I replied with something that was logical ...

You suggested that people who buy things, without first checking what features and functions are available, have a right to complain when a feature isn't there.

I don't think that is logical.

I didn't get mad and I'm sorry if it appeared that way.

OllyW

Mar 17, 2009, 02:13 PM

...It came out July 11, 2008. That's 8 months, which is not halfway (unless you bought it wholesale)

Ok, it will be halfway in 3 weeks time. :p

NT1440

Mar 17, 2009, 02:14 PM

Ok so what if your a parent or relative or what not buying it as a present for someone? no offence but I wouldnt read up on reviews for stuff like presents (im not a parent btw) but i think the parent mindset is like... "ok lets get him/her this all his/her friends seem to have them or talk about them"

then you can counter that argument with "well it doesnt concern them because there not buying it for themselves"

either way.. you dont fully know what your buying unless you actualy try it out for yourself... and in reviews some are wrong.. or some are bias... just my 2 cents...

When buying ANYTHING a shopper should research, and not just from one source. Its shopping 101. Of course you cant get a feel for the device, but theres no way in hell that in reading several reviews you wont have a feel for whatever it is your buying can and cannot do.

I have no sympathy for the lazy who then complain about something anyone who can use google could find out.

ri0ku

Mar 17, 2009, 02:15 PM

You suggested that people who buy things, without first checking what features and functions are available, have a right to complain when a feature isn't there.

I don't think that is logical.

I didn't get mad and I'm sorry if it appeared that way.

no I am not suggesting they have a right to complain... they should check it out in the 1st place before buying it so they can see if it has what they want...

but... copy and paste is a simple and common task with technology...and has been for years... you'd just expect something that comes from Apple to have even some of the simplest of tasks in there new tech...

diamond.g

Mar 17, 2009, 02:16 PM

I am kinda bummed about the no MMS on original iPhone thing. My wife likes her phone and doesn't want to upgrade. I on the other hand will be getting the new phone...

NT1440

Mar 17, 2009, 02:16 PM

Saladinos

Mar 17, 2009, 02:17 PM

UGHHHH.

Give us background processes for God's sake. The pre does it, a smaller phone, but it's bad for a bigger one's battery? Give it to us and once the idiots realize not to play thirteen movies at once they'llbe smart with the battery.

If Pres weren't so ugly I'd be all over it.

Weak update. Can't include video recording or folders when amateur developers can whip one up. My lord.

- The iPhone has push
- The Pre can afford to let things run in the background because it's OS is so basic it uses very little power. The Pre's OS is a collection of web sites. Multitasking on the Pre is tabbed browsing. And yes, the iPhone can do that.

Matthew.

Mar 17, 2009, 02:18 PM

The video of the presentation will be uploaded here (http://www.apple.com/iphone/preview-iphone-os/) later on today.

ri0ku

Mar 17, 2009, 02:18 PM

When buying ANYTHING a shopper should research, and not just from one source. Its shopping 101. Of course you cant get a feel for the device, but theres no way in hell that in reading several reviews you wont have a feel for whatever it is your buying can and cannot do.

I have no sympathy for the lazy who then complain about something anyone who can use google could find out.

but your missing the point that some people buying for others dont really feel they need to research it because there getting it for someone else...

Im with you with the whole go read reviews.. hell i read reviews for loads of stuff everyday.. even if Im not actualy looking to buy the item i just wonna see what they can and cant do...

But there is some people who just dont but think about copy and paste too.. its a simple thing isnt it? i mean reviewers might just skip that thinking its an obvious or common task for tech these days..

You dont have operating system specifications stating "our operating system can copy and paste stuff" it sounds stupid.. because it should anway... but on devices I supose could be a different matter

Digital Skunk

Mar 17, 2009, 02:18 PM

- The iPhone has push
- The Pre can afford to let things run in the background because it's OS is so basic it uses very little power. The Pre's OS is a collection of web sites. Multitasking on the Pre is tabbed browsing. And yes, the iPhone can do that.

Well, since you're way off, I think not.

By your logic the iPhone's OSX mobile get teh $h!t beat out of it by a collection of websites????? :confused:

I don't think so.

Goona

Mar 17, 2009, 02:20 PM

UGHHHH.

Give us background processes for God's sake. The pre does it, a smaller phone, but it's bad for a bigger one's battery? Give it to us and once the idiots realize not to play thirteen movies at once they'llbe smart with the battery.

If Pres weren't so ugly I'd be all over it.

Weak update. Can't include video recording or folders when amateur developers can whip one up. My lord.

I think they are saving all those features for the new iphone coming out in the summer.

NT1440

Mar 17, 2009, 02:20 PM

but your missing the point that some people buying for others dont really feel they need to research it because there getting it for someone else...

Im with you with the whole go read reviews.. hell i read reviews for loads of stuff everyday.. even if Im not actualy looking to buy the item i just wonna see what they can and cant do...

But there is some people who just dont but think about copy and paste too.. its a simple thing isnt it? i mean reviewers might just skip that thinking its an obvious or common task for tech these days..

You dont have operating system specifications stating "our operating system can copy and paste stuff" it sounds stupid.. because it should anway... but on devices I supose could be a different matter
Again, problem solved.

o0samotech0o

Mar 17, 2009, 02:20 PM

no I am not suggesting they have a right to complain... they should check it out in the 1st place before buying it so they can see if it has what they want...

but... copy and paste is a simple and common task with technology...and has been for years... you'd just expect something that comes from Apple to have even some of the simplest of tasks in there new tech...

I personally think you all should get over it.

Apple are fixing the obvious, and that's good. There's nothing significantly important they have missed out, and Apple are doing a good job of covering all the things that should of been there in the first place + more, so there is now no need to complain, unless there is more you want, like background apps, but apple took it into consideration, and they gave us a perfectly good solution to all of these gripes we had, or new things we wanted! :D

Although the MMS thing is odd...:o

Be grateful :D Apple FTW

NT1440

Mar 17, 2009, 02:21 PM

The video of the presentation will be uploaded here (http://www.apple.com/iphone/preview-iphone-os/) later on today.

Trying to wear out my F5 key? Jerk:mad:
:p

Thanks for the link!

rand()

Mar 17, 2009, 02:21 PM

Why do iPod Touch users always have to pay 10 dollars??!

Personally, I think it's a matter of fairness. Apple gets a cut of your cellular subscription cost if you have an iPhone, IIRC.

iPod touch users don't continue to pay money to Apple every month to use the device. So to make things fair, they ask you to pitch in a little to support the development costs. Do they make money on that? Sure. But hey, they're a corporation. That's why corporations exist. To make money.

It's also been said that the regulations involved in Sarbanes Oxley (spelling?) requires Apple to financially 'account' when new features are introduced to a device. That can be done easily for iPhones with the subscription revenue. It can't be done well for iPod touch's, because all the revenue from the device has already be counted at the original sale. I don't know for sure that that's why they do that, but it sounded plausible and makes sense.

Goona

Mar 17, 2009, 02:22 PM

- The iPhone has push
- The Pre can afford to let things run in the background because it's OS is so basic it uses very little power. The Pre's OS is a collection of web sites. Multitasking on the Pre is tabbed browsing. And yes, the iPhone can do that.

I think the new iphone that will come out in the summer will have background processes, another way for Apple to get people to upgrade.

Saladinos

Mar 17, 2009, 02:23 PM

Well, since you're way off, I think not.

By your logic the iPhone's OSX mobile get teh $h!t beat out of it by a collection of websites????? :confused:

I don't think so.

How exactly does the Pre beat the iPhone? Nobody seems to be able to explain that. It is not self-evident. And yes, the Pre's OS is a collection of web sites. Rendered using Apple's WebKit, no less. Remind me what exactly Palm did?

ri0ku

Mar 17, 2009, 02:24 PM

Theres nothing to "get over" lol.. I dont even care about the copy and paste feature.. I dont think iv ever thought "darn... wish i had copy and paste here" i was just explaining another side to the argument of "it should have already been there"

I respect everyones opinions on the matter etc and there opinions arnt wrong.. its good to get an insight to the different views of the same subject.

Digital Skunk

Mar 17, 2009, 02:27 PM

How exactly does the Pre beat the iPhone? Nobody seems to be able to explain that. It is not self-evident. And yes, the Pre's OS is a collection of web sites. Rendered using Apple's WebKit, no less. Remind me what exactly Palm did?

I think you need to use Google.

The infos been there since the Pre was announced buddy.

And whether or not the OS is made from websites or chicken $h!t the web consensus is out that it's much more fluid than mobile OSX. (http://www.engadget.com/hub/palm-pre)

greggstroud

Mar 17, 2009, 02:27 PM

The iPhone SDK site is down, developer.apple.com/iphone/ (http://developer.apple.com/iphone/).

o0samotech0o

Mar 17, 2009, 02:28 PM

Saladinos

Mar 17, 2009, 02:30 PM

I think you need to use Google.

The infos been there since the Pre was announced buddy.

I know what the Pre can do, but I don't see how it bests the iPhone. I certainly have much less respect for it: Palm used Apple's web engine and ripped off the iPhone's UI. They did very little on the all-important software side.

The Pre, however, is better than the other so-called iPhone killers. That's why it's being championed by people who have some pathological hatred of the iPhone. The Pre's getting all this attention because it doesn't suck and it's not an iPhone. It's not doing anything on merit. And I wouldn't take any measurements of how fluid it is seriously right now: wait until it's out, then see how fluid it is.

I maintain the iPhone is the best all-around device right now. The Pre doesn't come close.

o0samotech0o

Mar 17, 2009, 02:32 PM

sorry for double post, but you know the p2p uses bluetooth?

wasn't there a bluetooth chip in the ipot 2nd gen? or ami imagining it?

wizard

Mar 17, 2009, 02:34 PM

To comment further would be jumping the gun as there is a lot to digest.

In anyevent much of what I want is coming.

Dave

ri0ku

Mar 17, 2009, 02:34 PM

sorry for double post, but you know the p2p uses bluetooth?

wasn't there a bluetooth chip in the ipot 2nd gen? or ami imagining it?

yeah there is a bluetooth chip in the 2nd gen, they stated they can unlock it in todays q/a jeeez read up on it will ya.... :rolleyes::p

rhett7660

Mar 17, 2009, 02:35 PM

I was also happy to see notes sync! I saw that you can do the new home page, but was anything mentioned about adding your own picture and custom icons?

Digital Skunk

Mar 17, 2009, 02:35 PM

I know what the Pre can do, but I don't see how it bests the iPhone. I certainly have much less respect for it: Palm used Apple's web engine and ripped off the iPhone's UI. They did very little on the all-important software side.

The Pre, however, is better than the other so-called iPhone killers. That's why it's being championed by people who have some pathological hatred of the iPhone. The Pre's getting all this attention because it doesn't suck and it's not an iPhone. It's not doing anything on merit.

I maintain the iPhone is the best all-around device right now. The Pre doesn't come close.

And that's just your opinion which is okay, but there's no way you can support that other sites and reviewers are just touting the Pre's UI around simply because it's not Apple.

I think the iPhone is the best Mac based phone on the market, something every Mobile Me user and Mac owner should have, but as long as it's on AT&T's network it's a no go for many.

As for the UI, read what Apple could learn from Palm's webOS (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/15/what-apple-could-learn-from-palms-webos/). The one thing that it has that differs from many other reviews is that it's not biased toward the iPhone simply because of the Apple logo. It gives good insight into what both phones including the Android OS are missing and have.

Other than that, it's all up to the reader to decide.

jjrtiger

Mar 17, 2009, 02:37 PM

I hope netshare will still work!!

-Garry-

Mar 17, 2009, 02:39 PM

iPhone Dev site with iPhone OS 3 Beta is now back up and running.

Go Go Go.

jdylan

Mar 17, 2009, 02:48 PM

I didn't go through all the technical mumbo jumbo, but is there anything about loosening up the Bluetooth? I would like to be able to transfer something to my GF's Ericsson via Bluetooth. Thanks!

andyhargreaves

Mar 17, 2009, 02:50 PM

iPhone Dev site with iPhone OS 3 Beta is now back up and running.

Go Go Go.

....but the site is, understandably, running hellishly slowly. Nice and overloaded!

-Garry-

Mar 17, 2009, 02:53 PM

....but the site is, understandably, running hellishly slowly. Nice and overloaded!

Yup, I got as far as the login page.

w00master

Mar 17, 2009, 03:00 PM

NT1440

Mar 17, 2009, 03:02 PM

I was also happy to see notes sync! I saw that you can do the new home page, but was anything mentioned about adding your own picture and custom icons?

I predict it will be possible, but honestly its not really a big feature so they didnt go over it. I mean, you cant really elaborate on that at all.

queshy

Mar 17, 2009, 03:06 PM

What a bad day for palm. Apple pretty much added everything
Most people wanted. I don't care much for extra features...I want stability.

Digital Skunk

Mar 17, 2009, 03:08 PM

What a bad day for palm. Apple pretty much added everything
Most people wanted. I don't care much for extra features...I want stability.

I am just looking for insurance (or better yet, not AT&T). I would even suck up the cost of the plan. :D

Jayomat

Mar 17, 2009, 03:09 PM

in your face :D :apple:

NT1440

Mar 17, 2009, 03:10 PM

I am just looking for insurance (or better yet, not AT&T). I would even suck up the cost of the plan. :D

Sorry, i didnt see if you answered last time. Is it up to the cell phone maker or the carrier to provide insurance?

apfhex

Mar 17, 2009, 03:10 PM

Well, they really did address most complaints about the iPhone today didn't they? Sucks about no MMS and Bluetooth for the 1st gen. I don't really care about either, but it's plain it's an artificial limitation to encourage us to upgrade. I am looking forward to push, Note synching, landscape keyboard everywhere, Copy/Paste, and all the other new features that will work on the 1st gen. :D

As for the UI, read what Apple could learn from Palm's webOS (http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/15/what-apple-could-learn-from-palms-webos/). The one thing that it has that differs from many other reviews is that it's not biased toward the iPhone simply because of the Apple logo. It gives good insight into what both phones including the Android OS are missing and have.
Good article. A lot of those points are actually being addressed in the 3.0 update. I do think the Pre is looking to be pretty good and they have a very nice UI for once, unlike all the other "iPhone killers", but I also think the argument that the Pre can do multitasking because its apps are more akin to webpages/widgets has some merit. Apple did demonstrate today that just running an IM app in the background dramatically reduced battery life. Though I won't be surprised if Apple introduces the 3rd gen iPhone with background tasks (perhaps because of improved battery life).

I think the iPhone is the best Mac based phone on the market, something every Mobile Me user and Mac owner should have, but as long as it's on AT&T's network it's a no go for many.
And the Pre is going to be limited to Sprint, no? That sounds even worse. I really hate this trend of limiting technology to a specific service. Why they don't also release unlocked phones (for a premium) is beyond me.

killmoms

Mar 17, 2009, 03:15 PM

And the Pre is going to be limited to Sprint, no? That sounds even worse. I really hate this trend of limiting technology to a specific service. Why they don't also release unlocked phones (for a premium) is beyond me.

Well, at least with Sprint vs. AT&T it's an issue of CDMA vs GSM. Of course, yes, device makers probably could also make different versions (obviously many do already) with appropriate radios in them. However, a lot of the "device exclusivity" is done by carriers offering lots of money (or in the iPhone's case, being willing to offer money AND take a risk on Apple's demands) to try and attract switchers/new customers.

Some of this might disappear when 4G networks based on LTE start being deployed, as at least Verizon and AT&T have said they'll be using the same technology there.

philbeeney

Mar 17, 2009, 03:15 PM

I think the iPhone is the best Mac based phone on the market

I think you'll find it's the only Mac based phone on the market. ;)

illitrate23

Mar 17, 2009, 03:17 PM

....but the site is, understandably, running hellishly slowly. Nice and overloaded!

yes please can you all go away while i download it? thanks very much, i'll let you know when i'm done and you can come back and crash the servers again :-)

Digital Skunk

Mar 17, 2009, 03:18 PM

Sorry, i didnt see if you answered last time. Is it up to the cell phone maker or the carrier to provide insurance?

It's upto the carrier for the insurance. Asurion is the ones that does it for Verizon and Sprint.

The basic idea is paying $7 a month for the insurance, and Asurion will repair your phone free of charge as long as it's not totally destroyed (mobo showing) and will replace it for $50-$100 depending on phone if lost or stolen up to twice per year.

I am a klutz, so is my fiancee (who lost three Treos in one year, yet only paid $150 to get them replaced instead of the $650 x3.

Good article. A lot of those points are actually being addressed in the 3.0 update. I do think the Pre is looking to be pretty good and they have a very nice UI for once, unlike all the other "iPhone killers", but I also think the argument that the Pre can do multitasking because its apps are more akin to webpages/widgets has some merit. Apple did demonstrate today that just running an IM app in the background dramatically reduced battery life. Though I won't be surprised if Apple introduces the 3rd gen iPhone with background tasks (perhaps because of improved battery life).

True, I think the article will loose it relevance after all phones/updates are released. I take Engadget as being one of the unbiased sites to get reviews and announcements from. That article is the best I have seen in terms of unbiased analytical review of the three top phones.

And the Pre is going to be limited to Sprint, no? That sounds even worse. I really hate this trend of limiting technology to a specific service. Why they don't also release unlocked phones (for a premium) is beyond me.

Sorry, I really should have said it's based on opinion. Most people don't pick up the iPhone because they love AT&T, they do it because they love the iPhone.... or should I say, I bet most people aren't switching to the iPhone for various reasons, the cell carrier in their region that it's locked to could be a major reason.

As killmoms said, I think the issue of unlocking will fade away with LTE and the inundation of the world with the iPhone. Sprint so far is the only one with 4G up that isn't LTE, so they may be left behind even if they are using 4G currently.

rhett7660

Mar 17, 2009, 03:22 PM

I predict it will be possible, but honestly its not really a big feature so they didnt go over it. I mean, you cant really elaborate on that at all.

Copy that...... I hear yeah. I hope it is so.

apfhex

Mar 17, 2009, 03:23 PM

Well, at least with Sprint vs. AT&T it's an issue of CDMA vs GSM. Of course, yes, device makers probably could also make different versions (obviously many do already) with appropriate radios in them. However, a lot of the "device exclusivity" is done by carriers offering lots of money (or in the iPhone's case, being willing to offer money AND take a risk on Apple's demands) to try and attract switchers/new customers.

Some of this might disappear when 4G networks based on LTE start being deployed, as at least Verizon and AT&T have said they'll be using the same technology there.
True, I was forgetting that when I posted. Would be nice if 4G changes things. Verizon has recently been beating the crap out of AT&T in terms of coverage in my county and I'd consider switching if I could use a 4G iPhone with them. ;)

Digital Skunk

Mar 17, 2009, 03:26 PM

True, I was forgetting that when I posted. Would be nice if 4G changes things. Verizon has recently been beating the crap out of AT&T in terms of coverage in my county and I'd consider switching if I could use a 4G iPhone with them. ;)

Same here.

sahni130

Mar 17, 2009, 03:58 PM

can i get the beta with a free apple developer account? or do i have to pay $99 0r $299?

FerdiV

Mar 17, 2009, 04:03 PM

I don't want to get spoiled. Where can I see the video which will be posted online? Is it there already?

dicklacara

Mar 17, 2009, 04:03 PM

Time to delete EasyWriter...

Cap'n Crunch will get you for that!

NT1440

Mar 17, 2009, 04:04 PM

Copy that...... I hear yeah. I hope it is so.

Lol what would they honestly say?

"Oh yea, you can now put a picture on the backround that will be obscured by your hundreds of apps *brief pause* and now for MMS"

It wouldn't have made a great talking point.

Stuart in Oz

Mar 17, 2009, 04:23 PM

Digital Skunk

Mar 17, 2009, 04:27 PM

So, no Bluetooth file transfer capability?

Like, I want to throw a work file on my iPhone to take home and then share it with a co-worker I run into in the foyer, who has, say, a Sony phone?

I still can't transfer a plain, run of the mill, file to another device via bluetooth? Is this right?

No, I mean, but as the below poster said, you can jailbreak.

And for the record, yes, you can transfer documents from Treos, Sony devices, and other WiMo handhelds through bluetooth, with each other. It doesn't have to be Treo to Treo or Sony to Sony.

LSUtigers03

Mar 17, 2009, 04:31 PM

bedifferent

Mar 17, 2009, 07:21 PM

Right now there's a jailbroken app that allows for bluetooth file transfer.

really? My iPhone 3G is jailbroken but I could not find an application in Cydia. Is it under a standard repository or do you need to add a certain source to get the application?

bigwig

Mar 18, 2009, 01:24 AM

Push without true background apps is a silly botch. Yeah, I know background apps can use more power. So what? Why does Apple care if I want to run apps that burn up juice? Besides, an app that's asleep waiting for hardware notification of an incoming message (i.e. push) doesn't burn CPU cycles, nor does an app that's backgrounded but doesn't do anything while backgrounded (like an editor).

killmoms

Mar 18, 2009, 09:34 AM

...nor does an app that's backgrounded but doesn't do anything while backgrounded (like an editor).

Why would you need to background an app like that? Assuming it obeys Apple's HIG and saves all progress as soon as you jump back to the home screen, what do you net? Very slightly reduced startup time? And higher memory consumption?

There are two cases I can think of where you'd "need" background apps—one, a service that grabs info from another app (see: last.fm reading your plays in the iPod app), or two, an app that streams audio content (huge battery drain). For everything else, you're usually just waiting for notifications of incoming data (RSS, IM services, sports scores), and for that push notifications are perfect.