'Upload Video' Screen Suggests Video Capabilities in Next iPhone

[MacRumors]

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Engadget Mobile discovered (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/03/18/usb-tethering-publish-video-and-find-my-iphone-found-in-os-3-0/) an interesting screenshot from the iPhone 3.0 beta operating system that is labeled "Upload Video". The screen reportedly appears when you try to upload photos to MobileMe. While Engadget is labeling it as an interesting "typo", we feel it likely suggests that video recording and upload capabilities will arrive in the next generation iPhone which could be released as early as this summer.

There have been intermittent reports about the next iPhone revision, but few solid leads. Still, whispers have suggested that June/July is the timeframe for the next iPhone which is said to be a major upgrade over today's model. Talk of multi-core CPUs and GPUs (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/08/new-multi-core-iphone-with-firmware-3-0/) suggest the next iPhone could be significantly more powerful than the iPhone 3G. This could pave the way for rumored features such as background processes, and even video recording. While Apple has made no references to a new hardware revision, we feel the timing of the iPhone 3.0 operating system due out this summer provides Apple an easy way to introduce a major hardware revision at the same time.

As a result, it wouldn't surprise us that this "Video Upload" screen was misplaced rather than mistyped.

Article Link: 'Upload Video' Screen Suggests Video Capabilities in Next iPhone (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/upload-video-screen-suggests-video-capabilities-in-next-iphone/)

[cleanup]

Hooray. No more Cycorder. Although should video recording really require a multi-core processor? Does this mean there will be no video recording in older iPhones? If my 2G can render 3D games, it can record video. C'mon.

[theheadguy]

Another thing it should have now... simple as that.

[BenRoethig]

Video (and a better camera with flash) would make me very happy.

[Tussen69]

the next iPhone wont have background processing. Its more important to save any power for longer standby-time .. background processing wont happen . period. but video will ...

[Sky Blue]

Video recording would be hot stuff.

[samh004]

Yay! Looking forward to the next model, when I might finally spend some money and get a very good product. I'd imagine this wont be the last bombshell to be found. What's next.

[Chupa Chupa]

As an iPhone 2G owner this really really really PISSES me off. It's completely unfair of Apple to add video to new hardware and not retroactively add it to older models. I'm just outraged.

[kgeier82]

Video (and a better camera with flash) would make me very happy.


I think the fact that the iphone has NO FLASH is a good thing. Camera phone flashes are a waste, they do nothing.

As far as camera quality goes, its sufficient for video. I would like to see a 3-5Megapixel camera in the phone, with vga video recording (like 99% of all phones with a camera).

I simply dont think Hi res video recording is required.

As an iPhone 2G owner this really really really PISSES me off. It's completely unfair of Apple to add video to new hardware and not retroactively add it to older models. I'm just outraged.

Thanks for making me smile :)

[brinycbri]

As an iPhone 2G owner this really really really PISSES me off. It's completely unfair of Apple to add video to new hardware and not retroactively add it to older models. I'm just outraged.

that's funny

[MacVixen]

I will be THRILLED if the next phone has video recording! I only bought my phone in November but if video along with these other great features are on the new phone, then it may be worth it to me to pay full price (:eek:) for the newest model

[Tussen69]

Video (and a better camera with flash) would make me very happy.

a flash will shorly be an external flash ... not build in ..

The FrontSide-Cam will utilize the same functionality that todays mac with iSight do .. it will simply flash the screen when you take a photo with Photoboth (Mobile Version)

[vincebio]

As an iPhone 2G owner this really really really PISSES me off. It's completely unfair of Apple to add video to new hardware and not retroactively add it to older models. I'm just outraged.

haha you were about to get properly roasted there before i saw the 'sarc' quotes

[LillieDesigns]

This will be great. My original iPhone has seen better days :cool:

[kasei]

It makes you wonder if Apple/AT&T will introduce video chat on the iPhone. Of course that would require some type of camera on the front of the phone which can be hidden behind the screen or placed next to the ear piece. This feature could possibly help sales in Japan and other countries using video chat.

My only fear is the AT&T part of the equation. Given their propensity to reach deep into our pockets for new services on their network they might increase the data rate plan to offset their cost for a jump in bandwidth usage because of video chat.

It will be very interesting to see what new hardware the new iPhone will have now that cut/paste and MMS have finally been added on the OS side.

[MacVixen]

As an iPhone 2G owner this really really really PISSES me off. It's completely unfair of Apple to add video to new hardware and not retroactively add it to older models. I'm just outraged.

Hilarious, but the sad thing is you just know someone will make that exact statement, lol

[theLimit]

I really hope this means a better quality camera in the next iPhone revision. Even with the apps available to jailbroken phones, the photo and video capabilities are sub-par to most phones in this price range. Even the built-in iSight on Apples notebooks are better.

[mikeytrend]

com.apple.iMovieMobile?

I can see the keynote now... haha.
Something about being able to shoot video, edit, and upload to mobile me all while making a phone call.

[damnyooneek]

the 3g iPhone is capable of doing video but apple will probably use video as one of the new selling points and only put it on the updated one. rip

[shyfidelity]

Just my opinion, but I don't feel like my iPhone 3G has a good enough camera to take videos worth watching. That's probably why they'll only enable it in the next gen phones.

[Rychiar]

just the 3g? the iphone has been capable of video since day 1. Apple just crippled the device by not maximizing its potential through software...it's like how ther sayin the original iphone can't support mms...********:rolleyes:

[badcrumble]

I'm really hoping for 32GB storage, two cameras (front and back) with at least 2.3 megapixels and 720x480 video. Oh, and LED flash (if it were possible for programs to turn on the LED flash as a mini-flashlight like many Japanese phones, even better).

More RAM and additional processing power would be great, but I feel like I'd be satisfied without the background processes. Still, if they manage to add these things as well and hit total feature superiority over the Pre, that'd be pretty awesome.

[The Phazer]

I think the fact that the iphone has NO FLASH is a good thing. Camera phone flashes are a waste, they do nothing.

Rubbish. Seriously, just complete nonsense. Phone camera flashes do plenty.

Anyway, this'll be good, and I'm sure indicates a much better camera in the new version. I'm sure YouTube will be a much more popular upload portal than MobileMe though...

Phazer

[SandynJosh]

I suspect that the screen shot shows a remnant of an attempt to add video capacity on this pass. Apple did say that they have experimented with video on the iPhone but the internal memory doesn't handle it well enough.

[asdavis10]

Hello iChat!

[haravikk]

If the next iPhone version isn't running four Nehalem processors, I will be very disappointed :)

[tattat84]

Can't wait for them to announce the development of the hardware part...
Was disappointed they didn't touch on the hardware in the recent 3.0 beta launch.:(

[reubs]

It also sounds like Apple is really stepping up the offerings for Mobile Me, possibly to take some steam away from Google? If the "Find my Phone" feature is for real and there is really this video upload option for Mobile Me, it seems more and more that Mobile Me might be something to look further into.

[mmzplanet]

It would be nice to have video.... I hope to see it when the next iPhone comes out.

[tattat84]

I suspect that the screen shot shows a remnant of an attempt to add video capacity on this pass. Apple did say that they have experimented with video on the iPhone but the internal memory doesn't handle it well enough.

But there are already 3rd party apps that enable video capabilities!
What do you mean the internal memory can't handle it??

[Rychiar]

I suspect that the screen shot shows a remnant of an attempt to add video capacity on this pass. Apple did say that they have experimented with video on the iPhone but the internal memory doesn't handle it well enough.

then how could my verizon LG phone circa 2004 handle video perfectly fine? Were not askin for HD movies. I just want a basic 15 sec clip ******** kinda video recorder for mms like most phones :rolleyes:

[beck33]

So Apple went on and on about background processes killing the battery, but when the new hardware comes out they're going to backtrack and say "hey, now we have full on background processes"?

Sometimes I think macrumors is written by a monkey. A dumb monkey. The jump in logic is idiotic.

"we feel the timing of the iPhone 3.0 operating system due out this summer provides Apple an easy way to introduce a major hardware revision at the same time."

Duh, you think?

[reubs]

then how could my verizon LG phone circa 2004 handle video perfectly fine? Were not askin for HD movies. I just want a basic 15 sec clip ******** kinda video recorder for mms like most phones :rolleyes:

Exactly. To be able to pull out the phone to take pics of the kids doing something funny or a quick commentary on a ridiculous bumper sticker or something would be great. I don't need to shoot a feature film on an iPhone.

[RTiii320]

Again, am I the only one that thinks apple is losing money from customers who would buy the iPhone if it could take video? Oh wait! It can. Just enable it for us Apple! That may be one of the remaining quibbles about the iPhone after the announcement of 3.0

[hh83917]

I hope they give the CPU a good upgrade as of the current iPhone processor is somewhat slow compared to the Palm Pre. YOu can see the Pre is significantly faster on those preview videos. And the webbrowser on the Pre is so fast compared to the iPhone. I hope they build Safari 4 into the iPhone to speed it up. :rolleyes:

[iOrlando]

when are we going to have the video phone calling as seen in the big ball at Epcot in Walt Disney World

[zakfox1986]

Well, regardless of what this actually proves or implies, it's definitely interesting.

Another thing that is interesting is Apple's added YouTube features for the iPhone 3.0 OS. They've added subscriptions, user profiles, and maybe one or two other things (?) to iPhone 3.0 OS. That along with the ESPN app video feature that was announced on Tuesday, definitely makes you think that iPhone 3.0 could easily have more video features in store, when coupled with new hardware (iPhone 3).

If they added those couple features to the YouTube app, I'd have to ask if direct YT video upload will be added for iPhone 3 hardware. It's interesting that they're beefing up the YT app in general, along with this screenshot hinting (?) at MobileMe video upload.

[Mattjeff]

com.apple.iMovieMobile?

I can see the keynote now... haha.
Something about being able to shoot video, edit, and upload to mobile me all while making a phone call.

I would so love that but apple has been more and more realistic over the years :(
I'm sure it will just be a low quality 320px video with mono sound. Apple needs to go back o the old days of "just one more thing..."

[ghettochris]

if you look at the video off most phones on youtube it sucks. That combined with the potential life shortening or flash memory that is too slow to properly record, I see no problem with apple not offering it. If you really need it, jailbreak and enjoy the low quality and potentially harming your iphone long term if you use it a lot. While that is unlikely, just a possibility of that prevents product wide rollout, especially when you know some tool is going to record lots of long videos each day. Just because your jailbreak phone can do it doesn't mean apple can roll it out for everyone without looking like d-bags that were just cramming buggy features in the phone.

As far as a new camera, my first point and shoot was 2mp and took great pictures, i'd rather see improved optics and 2 mp camera than another 5 mp phone. the sensor only has to be 1mp to do 720p hd video, 2mp can do 1080p but I doubt it can process and store that kind of data.

[mikeytrend]

So Apple went on and on about background processes killing the battery, but when the new hardware comes out they're going to backtrack and say "hey, now we have full on background processes"?

Sometimes I think macrumors is written by a monkey. A dumb monkey. The jump in logic is idiotic.

"we feel the timing of the iPhone 3.0 operating system due out this summer provides Apple an easy way to introduce a major hardware revision at the same time."

Duh, you think?

Unless they really cannot work out the kinks in this push notification service I don't see them switching to background processes, especially from one generation to another. I think they're going to attempt to pave the way for future mobile os's as apple has attempted with everything they do. I really don't see background processes happening just solely because Steve was right when he said a task manager was confusing, but I do see apple working around it for features popularly requested by users.

Such as if the next iPhone can handle video and if iChat is an option they may create an iChat app that comes standard with every phone that could run in the background.

[wolfshades]

Frig.

I'm *such* a geek.

Arrived at the store in Toronto last May early enough to be first in line to get an iPhone (discounted of course with a 3 year contract)....

...and I frikkin well *know* I'll do something like that this year too, and pay full price for the newest iPhone.....

Geeze. Does it never end...

[diamond.g]

So Apple went on and on about background processes killing the battery, but when the new hardware comes out they're going to backtrack and say "hey, now we have full on background processes"?Much like 3G wasn't needed due to crappy battery life, and no one wanted video on their iPod... ;)

[pugnut]

This will be used to Geotagging pictures not taken with the iPhone. It will sync with iLife.

[Goona]

I hope they give the CPU a good upgrade as of the current iPhone processor is somewhat slow compared to the Palm Pre. YOu can see the Pre is significantly faster on those preview videos. And the webbrowser on the Pre is so fast compared to the iPhone. I hope they build Safari 4 into the iPhone to speed it up. :rolleyes:So you've actually used a Pre?

[ghettochris]

I hear a lot about background apps and how they kill your phone battery, Push is good but it doesn't do #@$^@ about if you want to instant message while using pandora to listen to music or things like that. What I want to see is multitasking, or running more than one app at once, they all stop using resources when you put the phone to sleep. I know the processor is weak in the current phone, but next time around I hope they keep push instead of background apps, but allow multitasking while actively using the phone.

[guzhogi]

the next iPhone wont have background processing. Its more important to save any power for longer standby-time .. background processing wont happen . period. but video will ...

What a "good" battery life is, IMO, very subjective. For me, it should be able to go at least from the time I leave my house for work to the time I get home w/o a charge (about 8.5 hours) for standby & the occasional 5 minute call & web surfing. One reason I think Apple's not doing background apps is security. But, who knows for sure?

[donlphi]

Just my opinion, but I don't feel like my iPhone 3G has a good enough camera to take videos worth watching. That's probably why they'll only enable it in the next gen phones.

You can see some iPhone video using QIK (http://qik.com/). I think it looks clinically acceptible, but as of right now it's running as a jailbroken iPhone app.

I haven't tried it on my 1st Gen iPhone, but have seen it in action on a 2nd Gen.

[QCassidy352]

I'm really hoping for 32GB storage, two cameras (front and back) with at least 2.3 megapixels and 720x480 video. Oh, and LED flash (if it were possible for programs to turn on the LED flash as a mini-flashlight like many Japanese phones, even better).

Am I the only one who thinks that a front-facing camera would add damn-near zero usefulness while making the phone look significantly worse?

As far as a new camera, my first point and shoot was 2mp and took great pictures, i'd rather see improved optics and 2 mp camera than another 5 mp phone. the sensor only has to be 1mp to do 720p hd video, 2mp can do 1080p but I doubt it can process and store that kind of data.

yay for the voice of reason!

I hope they give the CPU a good upgrade as of the current iPhone processor is somewhat slow compared to the Palm Pre. YOu can see the Pre is significantly faster on those preview videos. And the webbrowser on the Pre is so fast compared to the iPhone. I hope they build Safari 4 into the iPhone to speed it up. :rolleyes:

Oh no. Not this again...

[wizard]

The biggest problem with iPhone and it's photo abilities isn't the lack of flash or it's inability to play movies but rather it is the lack of a mechanical shutter release button. This on little item has a bigger impact on a persons ability to frame any capture an image than just about anything else.

As to flash itself, it pretty much is worthless on a camera phone and it's usage needs to be made optional. Otherwise it is a total waste of power. Let's face it Apple whines about background apps wasting power but a flash would in many cases be more wasteful. Especially in the case of making a video. If you need supplemental lighting and you are using a cell phone you really have the wrong device in your hands.



Dave

[apull]

I will be THRILLED if the next phone has video recording! I only bought my phone in November but if video along with these other great features are on the new phone, then it may be worth it to me to pay full price (:eek:) for the newest model

apple loves people like you! full price of the iphone = the cost of a mac mini.

I'm guessing though that the software upgrade should be able to get you most (if not all) of these features. video recording is definitely within the realm of the iphone's processing capability, as is obviously copy/paste.

[marine610610]

just the 3g? the iphone has been capable of video since day 1. Apple just crippled the device by not maximizing its potential through software...it's like how ther sayin the original iphone can't support mms...********:rolleyes:

Exactly. If they made the first gen iPhone do everything it was capable of how would they sell you on the "next best thing"?

[statler]

The key new feature on next iPhone will be HSUPA

[redwin11]

First Tethering, now Video support, Apple aren't doing a good job of keeping the extra features secret until the summer launch.

Still at least they're finally delivering everything the previous iPhones had been woefully missing - as long as they keep the pricing structure the same (UK) I'll be prepared to finally commit to the device.

[pocketdoc]

If, as I am hoping, Apple increases the screen resolution and screen size, will the same OS be compatible? I know with WM, there are only certain screen resolutions that are compatible.

I certainly hope this is possible with all of the WVGA devices coming out with 800 x 480 resolution.

[Lesser Evets]

First Tethering, now Video support, Apple aren't doing a good job of keeping the extra features secret until the summer launch.


They pace themselves. Makes us want to see more.

I'm just glad they are on the road.

[redwin11]

They pace themselves. Makes us want to see more.

I'm just glad they are on the road.

I'm just glad I didn't dive in 18 months ago.

[benlee]

So Apple went on and on about background processes killing the battery, but when the new hardware comes out they're going to backtrack and say "hey, now we have full on background processes"?

Sometimes I think macrumors is written by a monkey. A dumb monkey. The jump in logic is idiotic.

"we feel the timing of the iPhone 3.0 operating system due out this summer provides Apple an easy way to introduce a major hardware revision at the same time."

Duh, you think?

So when Macrumors posts something that is not obvious and perhaps a reach (ie. background processes) they are stupid. But when they post something obvious they are also being stupid?

I like your logic.

They said background processes were a drain on iPhone battery life for the current generations, that does not mean they cannot do a hardware revision to make up for it. It is possible.

Also, its not entirely obvious a new iPhone is coming out in June/July but it is highly expected, thus the observation by MR.

Why would you read something you thought was written by a dumb monkey--unless of course it was written by a dumb monkey--which would make it all the more interesting.

Start your own GENIUS Apple Rumors site!

[paola105]

Looks like I'm going to be waiting till summer to finally get an iPhone. sigh.

[wizard]

It also sounds like Apple is really stepping up the offerings for Mobile Me, possibly to take some steam away from Google? If the "Find my Phone" feature is for real and there is really this video upload option for Mobile Me, it seems more and more that Mobile Me might be something to look further into.

I'm not sure why there is so much negativity with respect to Mobile Me. Sure it got off to a rocky start but it is being continually improved.

More importantly it does offer up useful features and has since the day it launched. Nothing in this world is perfect and everybody likes cheaper but I see good value for my money. More importantly I'm not even fully exploiting my account yet.

[Sky Blue]

Frig.

I'm *such* a geek.

Arrived at the store in Toronto last May early enough to be first in line to get an iPhone (discounted of course with a 3 year contract)....


You were very early... two months early.

[badcrumble]

Am I the only one who thinks that a front-facing camera would add damn-near zero usefulness while making the phone look significantly worse?


Look at the aluminum iMac for an example of a camera on the front that is practically invisible.

[reubs]

I'm not sure why there is so much negativity with respect to Mobile Me. Sure it got off to a rocky start but it is being continually improved.

More importantly it does offer up useful features and has since the day it launched. Nothing in this world is perfect and everybody likes cheaper but I see good value for my money. More importantly I'm not even fully exploiting my account yet.

Hey, I'm not slamming Mobile Me. Right now I've got options that do the same thing for free. All I'm saying is that it's nice to see them ramping it up now that lower-priced (or free) options are available for some of the other services. For me right now $100 is too much to spend to sync my calendars and contacts when Google will do just what I need for $100 less. However, the access to a drive connected to an Airport, finding a phone, and possible video uploading on the go from Mobile Me (if all still at $100) makes it more appealing to me, especially as I continue to outfit my own home network (right now it's just a router and a laptop). Mobile Me seems great if you've already got all of the pieces in place. If not, it's just extra cash that could be allocated to other places.

[QCassidy352]

apple loves people like you! full price of the iphone = the cost of a mac mini.

So what? The iphone probably costs more to develop and just as much to manufacture.

I'm just glad I didn't dive in 18 months ago.

Why? I jumped on the iphone bandwagon on day 3 and have been enjoying it ever since. And when the new one comes out I'll be eligible to upgrade to that.

Look at the aluminum iMac for an example of a camera on the front that is practically invisible.

IF they could do it that seemlessly then that's fine. I still wouldn't use it, but at least it wouldn't be an eyesore. That seems like a big "if" though.

[arn]

So Apple went on and on about background processes killing the battery, but when the new hardware comes out they're going to backtrack and say "hey, now we have full on background processes"?


Someone else said this. But just because the current iPhone can't effectively run background tasks due to battery doesn't mean that future iPhones will never be able to run background tasks.

arn

[blackboxxx]

OK, I don't like to start unfounded rumors, but now we have some pretty solid facts. What I'm talking about is, of course, that the next iPhone, also known as iPhone2,1 will probably have video recording capabilities.

And here are the facts:

1. While many usual criticisms of the iPhone (lack of copy&paste, MMS, Bluetooth) were addressed in the OS 3.0 preview, there was no word about video recording. This might be a clue that this feature will be exclusive to the new iPhone.

2. Ars reported (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/latest-beta-iphone-os-includes-references-to-unknown-device.ars) that the OS 3.0 beta contains references to an unknown device with AAC encoding capabilities. AAC is an audio compression standard commonly used in MP4 files together with H.264 video.

3. While this might be purely an error, there's a Publish Video screen (http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/18/usb-tethering-publish-video-and-find-my-iphone-found-in-os-3-0/) in the latest beta.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/03/2009-03-18iphone3f.jpg

4. One of the new features briefly mentioned in the keynote was YouTube account support. Of course, it can be useful to sync your bookmarks and subscriptions, but I suspect this is mainly to enable uploading video straight to YouTube.
http://cache-foo.gizmodo.com/gawker/assets/images/4/2009/03/504x_ihonelead.jpg


All the evidence above suggests that the next iPhone will be able to shoot video.

Now, I might be wrong, but I think that it will have the following features:

3.2 MP camera with autofocus
Video recording in 720x480 widescreen resolution, 30 fps (DVD quality)
H.264 video and AAC audio
Uploading to YouTube and MobileMe directly from the device
16 GB and 32 GB models


Most likely the reason Apple didn't enable video in the existing models is that it's not up to their standards. For example, Cycorder can record only at 384x288 pixels and up to 15 fps, using MJPEG compression.

[nathanj.massey]

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Apple today announced the next generation of it's popular iPhone mobile handset at it's annual WWDC developers conference. The new device dubbed 'iPhone Video', was unveiled by Apple CEO Steve Jobs (his first appearance after a 6-month leave of absence on medical grounds) at the conferences keynote presentation.

The device features both a high resolution 5 mega-pixel camera for taking photos and video, and a smaller front-facing 2 mega-pixel camera for video-calls to both other phones and computers (using the included iChat Mobile software).

Also included is the 'Photo Booth' software that has become popular on it's desktop and laptop products, and a application titled 'Barcode' that can scan product barcodes using the new high resolution camera, and find online retailers selling that product (comparing the prices between them).

The new iPhone comes in both 16GB and 32GB models, and also features a more powerful CPU and GPU, which will allow developers to create better games and applications for the device.

The launch of the new iPhone Video also brings with it the general release of the iPhone 3.0 software which allows users to connect their laptop the Internet via tethering and use the iPhone as a satellite navigation device, by downloading a application from TomTom, who showcased their software during the keynote.

[bigbadnewill]

I was tempted to get one of the 3G iPhones when they go cheaper this summer (rumor i know). But with all the potential updates i'm thinking of waiting and getting the new 3rg gen model which will most likely be released.

The new 3.0 software looks great...finally i feel like the iPhone is actually a smart phone. :D

Roll on summer

[profets]

The key new feature on next iPhone will be HSUPA

could be.. and theyll market it as the iPhone 3.5G

really though, i wonder what theyll call the next iphone. the 3G iPhone, or the 2G iPhone 3G, or maybe just back to iPhone .. kinda surprised me they went to iPhone 3G as the name last year and not just keep it simple like "the new iPhone"

[stagi]

Video would get me to upgrade my current 3g for sure :)

[RoboCop001]

I was using the next iPhone prototype, and the battery is so powerful that it can power my Iron Man suit better than the Ark Reaktor!

.... oh by the way, I'm totally Iron Man.


.......... hurray for background processes!

[Bye Bye Baby]

If the next gen iphone is on the way then it will be interesting to see if version 3.0 is actually based on leopard or snow leopard?

If the new iphone is going multi core than both grand central and OCL seem like necessities.

Anyone have any ideas?

[ivladster]

I can't imagine the work apple developers have to do to hide some things from public until its announced. Pretty amazing.:)

[igazza]

Can't wait

[igazza]

New phone will need huge update for me to buy it. Like this

5 MP+ camera with flash & zoom
At least 256 ram
Record HD video 720p
Run background apps
8+hour battery life
32GB+ flash drive
Sync via Bluetooth

Make this apple :)

[yorkshire]

Great news.


If a little late.

[wizard]

So when Macrumors posts something that is not obvious and perhaps a reach (ie. background processes) they are stupid. But when they post something obvious they are also being stupid?

I'm not sure what you are getting at here with the original poster but Mac Rumors should be taken to task for not being more agressive in dealling with Apples official BS.

Background apps on the iphone are not a battery issue. RAM is a bigger issue here.



I like your logic.

They said background processes were a drain on iPhone battery life for the current generations, that does not mean they cannot do a hardware revision to make up for it. It is possible.

It certainly is possible. The problem is Apple is using it's RDF field big time here when they use networking apps as examples of apps that use lots of power. That should result in a big duh from everybody. There are plenty of apps that would greatly benefit from background processing and not require the power drain of a network connection.

On example is already coming from Apple and that is the voice recorder. Especially if that voice recorder comes with a supplemental mic input. I can see plenty of examples where you would want to continue an audio recording while other things are happening on iPhone.

Turn by turn GPS is another example. Do you really want that feature to bug out if you take a ten minute call or do other things? Not to mention that if you are using turn by turn you are likely in a vehical with a power source.

The problem is Apples reasoning about background apps. Appears to be designed to deflect rational discussion. They seem to totally disregard a multitude of ligitimate uses for background apps.


Also, its not entirely obvious a new iPhone is coming out in June/July but it is highly expected, thus the observation by MR.

It wasn't entirely obvious that the Mini was coming out either. It isn't obvious that the new iPhone is coming out in that time frame either but the timing of this software release is very interesting as is reports of it's stability.


Why would you read something you thought was written by a dumb monkey--unless of course it was written by a dumb monkey--which would make it all the more interesting.

Start your own GENIUS Apple Rumors site!

While I don't have the issues with Mac Rumors that I have with some other sites I would hope that I could be free to express displeasure with something MR might have done. The fact that I personally am not alarmed by this report doesn't mean somebody else isn't. Maybe the expression of that Alarm wasn't well done but that is a different issue.


Dave

[Goona]

First Tethering, now Video support, Apple aren't doing a good job of keeping the extra features secret until the summer launch.

Still at least they're finally delivering everything the previous iPhones had been woefully missing - as long as they keep the pricing structure the same (UK) I'll be prepared to finally commit to the device.

Dude you have people looking into the code for clues, how can Apple control that?

[Goona]

So when Macrumors posts something that is not obvious and perhaps a reach (ie. background processes) they are stupid. But when they post something obvious they are also being stupid?

I like your logic.

They said background processes were a drain on iPhone battery life for the current generations, that does not mean they cannot do a hardware revision to make up for it. It is possible.

Also, its not entirely obvious a new iPhone is coming out in June/July but it is highly expected, thus the observation by MR.

Why would you read something you thought was written by a dumb monkey--unless of course it was written by a dumb monkey--which would make it all the more interesting.

Start your own GENIUS Apple Rumors site!

That was a very insulting post, shame on the person who wrote it.

[Powerbooky]

New phone will need huge update for me to buy it. Like this

5 MP+ camera with flash & zoom
At least 256 ram
Record HD video 720p
Run background apps
8+hour battery life
32GB+ flash drive
Sync via Bluetooth

Make this apple :)

I could do without the camera though, especially if that would result in 24+hr battery life (2 weeks standby with few calls). 64GB+ flash and Sync through whatever connection is available (Bt, wifi, gsm). Oh... wifi at 5GHz!

Plus and most important I think... not chained to one greedy telecom company. Those iPhones would sell like crazy then.
:D

[8CoreWhore]

At what point in a 2 year contract does ATT consider one upgradeable? I bought the iPhone 3G the day it came out - I'd sign another 2 year contract for the next iPhone this summer. :D

[bedifferent]

As an iPhone 2G owner this really really really PISSES me off. It's completely unfair of Apple to add video to new hardware and not retroactively add it to older models. I'm just outraged.

lol true dat... However, as Jailbroken iPhone 2G and 3G units have successful video recording applications, I do not understand why Apple is claiming it is a hardware limitation - unless they mean H264 or such video capabilities.

[Stewie86]

New phone will need huge update for me to buy it. Like this

5 MP+ camera with flash & zoom
At least 256 ram
Record HD video 720p
Run background apps
8+hour battery life
32GB+ flash drive
Sync via Bluetooth

Make this apple :)

OK, I don't like to start unfounded rumors, but now we have some pretty solid facts. What I'm talking about is, of course, that the next iPhone, also known as iPhone2,1 will probably have video recording capabilities.

And here are the facts:

1. While many usual criticisms of the iPhone (lack of copy&paste, MMS, Bluetooth) were addressed in the OS 3.0 preview, there was no word about video recording. This might be a clue that this feature will be exclusive to the new iPhone.

2. Ars reported (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/latest-beta-iphone-os-includes-references-to-unknown-device.ars) that the OS 3.0 beta contains references to an unknown device with AAC encoding capabilities. AAC is an audio compression standard commonly used in MP4 files together with H.264 video.

3. While this might be purely an error, there's a Publish Video screen (http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/18/usb-tethering-publish-video-and-find-my-iphone-found-in-os-3-0/) in the latest beta.
pic

4. One of the new features briefly mentioned in the keynote was YouTube account support. Of course, it can be useful to sync your bookmarks and subscriptions, but I suspect this is mainly to enable uploading video straight to YouTube.
pic


All the evidence above suggests that the next iPhone will be able to shoot video.

Now, I might be wrong, but I think that it will have the following features:

3.2 MP camera with autofocus
Video recording in 720x480 widescreen resolution, 30 fps (DVD quality)
H.264 video and AAC audio
Uploading to YouTube and MobileMe directly from the device
16 GB and 32 GB models


Most likely the reason Apple didn't enable video in the existing models is that it's not up to their standards. For example, Cycorder can record only at 384x288 pixels and up to 15 fps, using MJPEG compression.

I like these facts and wishlists. I have my own (link is on signature). Everything on my wishlist is pretty much answered except for larger GB size, slimmer frame and more MP camera.

[B2k1977]

I'm really hoping for 32GB storage, two cameras (front and back) with at least 2.3 megapixels and 720x480 video. Oh, and LED flash (if it were possible for programs to turn on the LED flash as a mini-flashlight like many Japanese phones, even better).

More RAM and additional processing power would be great, but I feel like I'd be satisfied without the background processes. Still, if they manage to add these things as well and hit total feature superiority over the Pre, that'd be pretty awesome.

32GB? Please, give us some real storage. I want 64. Apple is selling 256mb ssd's for macbooks, no reason why the tech isn't there to put 64gb in an iphone/touch :apple:

[audioteknika]

MP doesn't mean tihs for christsake!! Better optic will improve the image quality, even on a 3mp picture.. Gosh.. Sometimes some of you just dont listen..

[diamond.g]

32GB? Please, give us some real storage. I want 64. Apple is selling 256mb ssd's for macbooks, no reason why the tech isn't there to put 64gb in an iphone/touch :apple:

Sure there is. The iPhone only has 1 chip for the storage. Most SSDs have at least 8. Because Apple wants our iPhones to be thin and sexy that is what we have to live with.

[benlee]

While I don't have the issues with Mac Rumors that I have with some other sites I would hope that I could be free to express displeasure with something MR might have done. The fact that I personally am not alarmed by this report doesn't mean somebody else isn't. Maybe the expression of that Alarm wasn't well done but that is a different issue.


I'm not sure I understood your post entirely but I'm not saying you can't disagree with a MR post. I just found his attack on MR somewhat unwarranted and the fact that he called the fine people that put their time into this site stupid monkeys was somewhat off-putting. That's all.
My point was that I didn't find anything in the main thread post anything that could be characterized as stupid.

That was a very insulting post, shame on the person who wrote it.

I hope you were not talking about my post. I'm not sure what was insulting about my post. If you were talking about the post i was replying to, then I agree, but you probably should have quoted that post.

[Slurpy2k8]

As an iPhone 2G owner this really really really PISSES me off. It's completely unfair of Apple to add video to new hardware and not retroactively add it to older models. I'm just outraged.

You know, good thing you had those sarc tags there. I've seen that same sentiment expressed seriously hundreds of times since the 3.0 reveal. Amazing how people feel entitled to every new feature that will ever be introduced on any new device ever- on their older phones. Its as if they didnt know what features they were getting when they payed for the damn thing.

Apple didn't even NEED to support the 2G iPhone with this update. Its coming to 2 yrs old. The fact that they did is a bonus, that Im thankful for. I say this as a 2G iPhone owner.

[8CoreWhore]

The biggest problem with iPhone and it's photo abilities isn't the lack of flash or it's inability to play movies but rather it is the lack of a mechanical shutter release button. This on little item has a bigger impact on a persons ability to frame any capture an image than just about anything else.
Dave
How does lacking a mechanical button affect framing?

[8CoreWhore]

Frig.

I'm *such* a geek.

Arrived at the store in Toronto last May early enough to be first in line to get an iPhone (discounted of course with a 3 year contract)....

...and I frikkin well *know* I'll do something like that this year too, and pay full price for the newest iPhone.....

Geeze. Does it never end...

Sell your iPhone 3G now so you can get a good price, put the sim card in a cheap phone.... when the new iPhone comes out this summer, pay full price (but with the funds from the sale to cover a good portion), put the old sim card in that.

[MacVixen]

apple loves people like you! full price of the iphone = the cost of a mac mini.

I'm guessing though that the software upgrade should be able to get you most (if not all) of these features. video recording is definitely within the realm of the iphone's processing capability, as is obviously copy/paste.

Oh yes of course. If the new phone does not have video I will be perfectly happy with my existing phones and all of the new features that are coming. I'm just saying that if the new phone has video, then i would consider paying full price for a new model as I am not eligble to upgrade for another 18 months. Under no other circumstances would I be willing to pay full price, lol.

[bedifferent]

I'm not sure I understood your post entirely but I'm not saying you can't disagree with a MR post. I just found his attack on MR somewhat unwarranted and the fact that he called the fine people that put their time into this site stupid monkeys was somewhat off-putting. That's all.
My point was that I didn't find anything in the main thread post anything that could be characterized as stupid.



I hope you were not talking about my post. I'm not sure what was insulting about my post. If you were talking about the post i was replying to, then I agree, but you probably should have quoted that post.

If you think it's bad here, you should visit AppleInsider. Many of the commentators on there make you wonder if some websites should require age verification. It's downright depressing what the anonymity of the internet does to humanity's lack of respect.

[jamest71]

I hope they do have it in the iPhone 3.0

[preservative]

If there is no flash. Can we have an IR camera please? :)

[djjclark]

lol true dat... However, as Jailbroken iPhone 2G and 3G units have successful video recording applications, I do not understand why Apple is claiming it is a hardware limitation - unless they mean H264 or such video capabilities.

What you consider acceptable is not the same as what Apple considers acceptable. A 15 fps pixalated video probably doesnt allow for much marketing.

[jholzner]

Apple didn't even NEED to support the 2G iPhone with this update. Its coming to 2 yrs old. The fact that they did is a bonus, that Im thankful for. I say this as a 2G iPhone owner.

I'm not complaining about some features not being supported but Apple was still selling the original iPhone at this time last year and continued to do so through June until the 3G was released. Many people have a first Gen that is less than a year old at this point. I have a first Gen and will upgrade this summer if a new phone is released. I'm fine with that.

[8CoreWhore]

Someone else said this. But just because the current iPhone can't effectively run background tasks due to battery doesn't mean that future iPhones will never be able to run background tasks.

arn

I fully expect Apple to have a much better battery in the next iPhone....

[thisrocks]

Lol....looking forward to a phone with "8+" hours battery life ..no thank you.


I need my phone to last at least 24 hours. Please Apple. I don't care if it requires turning off 3g, wifi and having the brightness all the way down the bottom but for heaven sakes..BATTERY!!

I don't think I have one good video recorded from my phones...since my first camera phone in 2002...7 years later.... Batteryyyyyyy...at least 2 applications open at a time..if only iTunes!...and a non-laggy interface. Thank you.

[alawatsakima]

I hope they give the CPU a good upgrade as of the current iPhone processor is somewhat slow compared to the Palm Pre. YOu can see the Pre is significantly faster on those preview videos. And the webbrowser on the Pre is so fast compared to the iPhone. I hope they build Safari 4 into the iPhone to speed it up. :rolleyes:


I feel that MMS is proof that major portions of Safari 4 are already in the iPhone. The protocols required for MMS were not previously in the iphone because the iphone relies heavily on pre-existing technologies Apple had at their disposal. Many of those technologies are now part of the SMIL protocol. Now that SMIL is required in Acid3, and safari passes Acid3, it was only logical that MMS would come next. The fact that MMS is in the iphone means that SMIL is too, QED, iPhone has Safari 4.

Now, with that said, I have not seen any evidence that the expected performance improvements are present (Yet). But it is just a beta. I feel strongly that by the time the release comes, Safari Mobile will be fully Safari 4 complient, and the user will reap the benifits.

[michael31986]

apple would not go back to background after they said that push saves battery, they would want to get the most battery out of all the iphones no matter what. EVen if the new iphone can handle it better. why hurt a battery when u can make it last longer.

[Goona]

I hope you were not talking about my post. I'm not sure what was insulting about my post. If you were talking about the post i was replying to, then I agree, but you probably should have quoted that post.

My bad, meant the other poster. :)

[valypan]

I don´t think iPhone 2.0 owners should be thankful that Apple made OS 3.0 available to them too. I really think it´s a given. The only reason why they would not get 3.0 would be if the hardware is not capable of running the software. Any other case would just mean Apple witholding software in order to sell new hardware, which is what they might try to do with the video capability feature. I for one would find that very disturbing. I have not even had my iPhone 3G for 12 months, so I think it would be way too early for a new model to be introduced....

[MacVixen]

But ALL cell phone makers release new models on a continuous basis. I'm not sure why it would be so horrible if Apple did release an iPhoneVideo - I just bought my 3G less than 6 months ago, but I understand that my new tech purchases become outdated fairly quickly. I bought my MBP in November 2007 and of course new models were released in February 08 - oh well. It just happens like that sometimes.

[polaris20]

I think the fact that the iphone has NO FLASH is a good thing. Camera phone flashes are a waste, they do nothing.




As to flash itself, it pretty much is worthless on a camera phone and it's usage needs to be made optional. Otherwise it is a total waste of power.


Based upon usage of my Blackberry Curve and Motorola Q prior to that, I disagree. Indoor pictures are most definitely better with the flash, provided that you're within a decent range. Flash should be optional, but then again I've yet to see a camera phone that made flash mandatory.

[valypan]

But ALL cell phone makers release new models on a continuous basis. I'm not sure why it would be so horrible if Apple did release an iPhoneVideo - I just bought my 3G less than 6 months ago, but I understand that my new tech purchases become outdated fairly quickly. I bought my MBP in November 2007 and of course new models were released in February 08 - oh well. It just happens like that sometimes.

I think it would be so terrible because the iPhone, more than any other phone in the market, relies heavily on the wonderful OS running on it. This has enabled people to make of the iPhone whatever they want with the appstore apps for example. This has never happened to any phone before. So now Apple has the great opportunity of providing software updates which can radically change the iPhone capabilities, without the need of an hardware upgrade. I would certainly welcome a new iPhone hardware, whenever new features will require it, but I certainly do not believe video recording is one of those features. It is already done by third party apps, so the current iPhone could run it no problem...

[mjtomlin]

I'm just glad I didn't dive in 18 months ago.

I've never understood this logic. I did "dive" in 18 months ago and couldn't have been happier with my experience using the iPhone all this time. So it didn't have MMS, video recording, A2DP bluetooth support, but neither did the phone I had before. And besides that, just the pleasure of using a mobile device that was actually usable was well worth the price. The reason for buying the iPhone was to replace my cell phone, iPod and laptop (for internet use) and the iPhone was more than capable, especially after the App Store opened; now I use my "cell phone" for stuff I never would've guessed it could be used for. When the contract runs out on this phone in 6 months, I'll upgrade to a newer model.

[Donz0r]

Lol....looking forward to a phone with "8+" hours battery life ..no thank you.


I need my phone to last at least 24 hours. Please Apple. I don't care if it requires turning off 3g, wifi and having the brightness all the way down the bottom but for heaven sakes..BATTERY!!

I don't think I have one good video recorded from my phones...since my first camera phone in 2002...7 years later.... Batteryyyyyyy...at least 2 applications open at a time..if only iTunes!...and a non-laggy interface. Thank you.

Battery life refers to TALK TIME. that's what he means by 8+ hours. And that will not happen this summer. Maybe 6-7 though

[str1f3]

Someone else said this. But just because the current iPhone can't effectively run background tasks due to battery doesn't mean that future iPhones will never be able to run background tasks.

arn


I fully expect Apple to have a much better battery in the next iPhone....

i expect them to take the battery technology from the 17" macbook pro and apply it to the iphone. add more ram and you have background apps.

the only thing that worries me is that apple seemed really emphatic about not having background apps. hopefully they are talking about current generation harware.

[mjtomlin]

I don´t think iPhone 2.0 owners should be thankful that Apple made OS 3.0 available to them too. I really think it´s a given. The only reason why they would not get 3.0 would be if the hardware is not capable of running the software. Any other case would just mean Apple witholding software in order to sell new hardware, which is what they might try to do with the video capability feature. I for one would find that very disturbing. I have not even had my iPhone 3G for 12 months, so I think it would be way too early for a new model to be introduced....

Well, there are features of the new OS that won't work on the original iPhone, but Apple still offers the upgrade to us. Apple has always stopped supporting certain hardware, even though they may be capable of making it work, especially if they determine that hardware will hold back the platform and keep it from moving forward.

The video recording on current models of the iPhone is awful, just look at any jailbroken iPhone. Apple would be wise to limit video recording to devices that can truly support it at a respectable quality; at full iPhone resolution. Take iChat video, Apple didn't release anything until they could make it work at full screen, meanwhile all other video chatting applications had postage stamp size images or got really jerky and blocky when you tried to make it larger. Being capable isn't enough when the experience is total crap.

[koobcamuk]

But ALL cell phone makers release new models on a continuous basis. I'm not sure why it would be so horrible if Apple did release an iPhoneVideo - I just bought my 3G less than 6 months ago, but I understand that my new tech purchases become outdated fairly quickly. I bought my MBP in November 2007 and of course new models were released in February 08 - oh well. It just happens like that sometimes.

That's not the attitude! Far too reasonable :)

It seems people forget that Apple are out to make money... if they release a new phone every year, great. That's less than Nokia and SE. If they just waited until every 24 or 18 month contract was over, people would sit out the 2 month lead-up times. As it stands we don't know when the next is coming. It's all good. I prefer my MBP to the new ones... I might prefer the 3G to the next iPhone.

[Goona]

I don´t think iPhone 2.0 owners should be thankful that Apple made OS 3.0 available to them too. I really think it´s a given. The only reason why they would not get 3.0 would be if the hardware is not capable of running the software. Any other case would just mean Apple witholding software in order to sell new hardware, which is what they might try to do with the video capability feature. I for one would find that very disturbing. I have not even had my iPhone 3G for 12 months, so I think it would be way too early for a new model to be introduced....

Why should it be a given, when you buy a new mac and they bring out a new
OS, should you be given the new OS for free?

[w00master]

The biggest problem with iPhone and it's photo abilities isn't the lack of flash or it's inability to play movies but rather it is the lack of a mechanical shutter release button. This on little item has a bigger impact on a persons ability to frame any capture an image than just about anything else.

As to flash itself, it pretty much is worthless on a camera phone and it's usage needs to be made optional. Otherwise it is a total waste of power. Let's face it Apple whines about background apps wasting power but a flash would in many cases be more wasteful. Especially in the case of making a video. If you need supplemental lighting and you are using a cell phone you really have the wrong device in your hands.



Dave

Explain to me then (since Apple does *NOT* give app writers full access to the camera), how normal camera users, like myself, can take pictures at a restaurant with my friends where the environment has low light? Right now, if I try, I get nothing: complete BLACK.

Explain to me how a flash wouldn't help?

Again, app writers cannot write a camera app where the user can control fstops, shutter speeds, etc.

w00master

[ipoppy]

I've never understood this logic. I did "dive" in 18 months ago and couldn't have been happier with my experience using the iPhone all this time. So it didn't have MMS, video recording, A2DP bluetooth support, but neither did the phone I had before. And besides that, just the pleasure of using a mobile device that was actually usable was well worth the price. The reason for buying the iPhone was to replace my cell phone, iPod and laptop (for internet use) and the iPhone was more than capable, especially after the App Store opened; now I use my "cell phone" for stuff I never would've guessed it could be used for. When the contract runs out on this phone in 6 months, I'll upgrade to a newer model.
Dont know what is the story in US but here in UK with O2 you can just upgrade anytime by simply extending your existing contract for next 18 months and pay full price for iPhone. Thats what I am planning to do anyway in june/july. Old 3G iPhone I will pass to my wife.:D

[gwangung]

The video recording on current models of the iPhone is awful, just look at any jailbroken iPhone.

Hrm. Gee, wonder why Apple isn't supporting it...

[mjtomlin]

the only thing that worries me is that apple seemed really emphatic about not having background apps. hopefully they are talking about current generation harware.

Someone else on another board mentioned this...

He felt Apple will hold back multitasking until they get their developers to support the Push Notification System. Once that happens, then they may slowly allow 3rd party applications to run in the background.

Whether the application is open or not, you'll still be able to receive notifications. Why is this a big deal? Imagine you "subscribe" to about ten different services that you need to stay up-to-date on... without PNS, you'll need to have all those services open and running in the background. Apple's PNS will offer a much more elegant method of handling notifications... you can "subscribe" to 100 different services and not need to have a single application running in the background and you'll still receive message and updates.

Now, once you have the PNS service available for developers to use and they all get used to it, you can start to allow 3rd party applications to run in the background that truly need to continue processing while in the background, such as web browser, music streaming, etc...

This also happens to be Apple's M.O. of how they direct users and developers into a certain direction.

[Povilas]

Some people should know that picture quality is not always directly connected to how much megapixels camera has and this is so true on mobile phones. Don't expect a million pixels camera on iPhone ;) Better expect good lenses and etc.,

[ipoppy]

Now I can see video recording and new hardware iPhone. Especially after announcement of personalized youtube accounts. Is obvious that you could use that for recording and uploading short movies straight to your youtube account.
Also after officials pattents of front camera hiden behind screen it will be iChat AV there too. Well...I would call next iPhone ...an IPHONE AV

[mjtomlin]

Dont know what is the story in US but here in UK with O2 you can just upgrade anytime by simply extending your existing contract for next 18 months and pay full price for iPhone. Thats what I am planning to do anyway in june/july. Old 3G iPhone I will pass to my wife.:D

Same here with AT&T, but I'm still happy with my original iPhone. I don't necessarily feel the need to upgrade just because I can; the hardware would need to be extremely compelling. And besides, by some act of God, Apple may decide to offer the iPhone on another carrier, and I'd rather not be stuck to AT&T for an additional 2 years, if I didn't have to.

[3goldens]

love the thought of new hardware, but before this one is even a year old?

Kinda screws those att customers who would want to upgrade right away.

whatever, make money spend money, make products buy products......

[bedifferent]

What you consider acceptable is not the same as what Apple considers acceptable. A 15 fps pixalated video probably doesnt allow for much marketing.

You're assuming that is the quality of the video, when in reality it's over 20 fps. It's not fantastic but far from the abysmal quality some claim. Further, if it is simply quality could that not be remedied by proper codecs?

[DJ88]

love the thought of new hardware, but before this one is even a year old?

Kinda screws those att customers who would want to upgrade right away.

whatever, make money spend money, make products buy products......

My god does anybody here have memory that goes back further than a year anymore?

The first iPhone was released in June 07 and you had to buy it with a 2 year contract. The iPhone 3G came out before the end of the 2 year contract, but existing iPhone users could still buy the 3G at the low prices by extending their, by then, 1 year contract another 2 years.

If a new iPhone comes out this summer, they'll do the exact same thing, no one gets screwed.
:rolleyes:

[str1f3]

Someone else on another board mentioned this...

He felt Apple will hold back multitasking until they get their developers to support the Push Notification System. Once that happens, then they may slowly allow 3rd party applications to run in the background.

Whether the application is open or not, you'll still be able to receive notifications. Why is this a big deal? Imagine you "subscribe" to about ten different services that you need to stay up-to-date on... without PNS, you'll need to have all those services open and running in the background. Apple's PNS will offer a much more elegant method of handling notifications... you can "subscribe" to 100 different services and not need to have a single application running in the background and you'll still receive message and updates.

Now, once you have the PNS service available for developers to use and they all get used to it, you can start to allow 3rd party applications to run in the background that truly need to continue processing while in the background, such as web browser, music streaming, etc...

This also happens to be Apple's M.O. of how they direct users and developers into a certain direction.

hopefully it happens like this. the main problem i foresee is if you have 100 different services giving you notifications they had better come up with something better than the alert screen. otherwise you'll be getting pop-ups all day long (it'll be like you hit a xxx site). i would like to see something like what android or the pre does.

with the pns all i want from a background app is the ability to stream radio. that's all.

[w00master]

My god does anybody here have memory that goes back further than a year anymore?

The first iPhone was released in June 07 and you had to buy it with a 2 year contract. The iPhone 3G came out before the end of the 2 year contract, but existing iPhone users could still buy the 3G at the low prices by extending their, by then, 1 year contract another 2 years.

If a new iPhone comes out this summer, they'll do the exact same thing, no one gets screwed.
:rolleyes:

Well said DJ88. You can be sure that there will be an upgrade path of some kind for existing customers. It's both in Apple's best interest *and* AT&T.

I know I'll be in line for the next one. :D

w00master

[Hopstretch]

Well said DJ88. You can be sure that there will be an upgrade path of some kind for existing customers. It's both in Apple's best interest *and* AT&T.

I know I'll be in line for the next one. :D

w00master
The upgrade path will be that you pay full unsubsidized price, or wait another year for your contract to roll over. ATT were pretty clear that the way they handled it last time was a one-shot deal.

[w00master]

The upgrade path will be that you pay full unsubsidized price, or wait another year for your contract to roll over. ATT were pretty clear that the way they handled it last time was a one-shot deal.

Well, I know many many original iPhone users who upgrade to the iPhone 3G *with* the subsidized price. The ones who couldn't, I'm betting purchased their original iPhone within 6 months of the iPhone 3G release.

w00master

[bigchief]

My god does anybody here have memory that goes back further than a year anymore?

The first iPhone was released in June 07 and you had to buy it with a 2 year contract. The iPhone 3G came out before the end of the 2 year contract, but existing iPhone users could still buy the 3G at the low prices by extending their, by then, 1 year contract another 2 years.

If a new iPhone comes out this summer, they'll do the exact same thing, no one gets screwed.
:rolleyes:

I think the reason people were allowed to upgrade from the original iphone to the 3g before their contract ran out was because the first iphone sold at full price. The 3g sold at subsidised prices so they will probably be held to that. If your in good standing with AT&T you can upgrade after 18 months on a 2 year contract.

[wheezy]

Wow, bringing MMS and CCP to the next OS, and then throw in a real hardware Video Camera (not like 15fps Cycorder, which is still great) and I'm getting real stoked for the next iPhone. I've jailbroken my phone mainly for Video, categories and sometime soon expect to use tethering. I'd love to not have to jailbreak as it does make the phone lag more than I like.

BUT... ATT likes to charge for tethering. ATT sucks.

[msw123307]

Well said DJ88. You can be sure that there will be an upgrade path of some kind for existing customers. It's both in Apple's best interest *and* AT&T.

I know I'll be in line for the next one. :D

w00master

Exactly. It's not in either company's interest to have tons of upset customers due to not allowing them to upgrade from the 3g phone to the new model at a reduced price. That's what they've previously done, ATT gets a new 2 year contract, and Apple's customers stay happy. Changing that system would create big problems for both companies imo.

Especially considering the types of customers that upgrade Day 1.

[ipoppy]

Same here with AT&T, but I'm still happy with my original iPhone. I don't necessarily feel the need to upgrade just because I can; the hardware would need to be extremely compelling. And besides, by some act of God, Apple may decide to offer the iPhone on another carrier, and I'd rather not be stuck to AT&T for an additional 2 years, if I didn't have to.

O2 in UK from my point of view doing good job anyway to compare to any other carriers. They got pretty good signal all over UK and trying to get the best cover for 3G too (they should start thinking about 4G; should be standardized by 2014 anyway). Their tariffs are ok'ish; but not rip off so I will stick to them for sure since I have never had any problems with them so far. Plus if you order their broadband you got £5 off every month and seems to be the best quality ( by reviewers) in UK.
One thing which worries me is the day when iPhone will lunch; last time O2 system crushed so hopefully they learn a lesson (NOT).

[yoganandaz]

Hello iChat!

Let's keep our fingers crossed... Att already has video conferencing so this would be logical step for the iPhone with this software and hardware update.

[hh83917]

So you've actually used a Pre?

No, of course I don't have one, no one does. But, there are videos of the Pre browser loading webpages and it's fast. I can say it does seems a lot faster than the current iPhone 3G (it can possibly be the network too).

I love my iPhone big time, and I'm simply saying what I think it can improve on. And hope they do come out with the new and improved iphone, which I will get my hands on it as soon as it comes out. :D

[iMule]

The original iPhone seemed to load webpages faster on edge than 3G does in real life when Steve Jobs was doing the demo. You never see that 2 second delay when opening up calender or contacts in the Apple videos either. They optimize the hell out of what they're showing you.

[iMacoo7]

I remember last year before the 3G iPhone came out there was a rumor on this site showing patents for a front facing camera and describing how ichat would work.I usually do not comment on this forum, just read.
But this is my prediction:
1. low end iPhone (For those that cannot afford or even want a fully featured iPhone).
2. iPhone Pro - With an abundance of features and possibly the edition of a front facing camera for iChat (Which I think Apple has been waiting to release on previous firmwares , so that they can get it right).
Oddly enough there has not been any tangible rumors running around, but last year it was the same thing. This year might be the same thing.I think something will arise within the next month if not before, to let the rumor mills get blowing full blown.

[t0mat0]

I don't think the iPhone will have a flash.

Why?

Because - they're just opened up the connector and the phone via Bluetooth.

This phone, can now wirelessly interact with a slaved flash.
This is pretty useful, as having the flash not physically attached to the camera can give you options.

There was no typo about video - since when did photos get titles and descriptions? Don't see it on my camera roll currently - iPhoto 09 didn't show that. But iLife didn't deal with video being geo-tagged.

Awesome potential would be for iPhoto's facial recognition to be run through every frame of a video, to then ID people in the background. Would be intensive computationally, but doable.

With the voice recorder showing that it can edit - it's possible the video option will do on-phone editing too. Or maybe they'll leave that for another day - but if they're bringing video, why not?

To Youtube, to MobileMe. To sync with iTunes.

[Soreo]

I will be THRILLED if the next phone has video recording! I only bought my phone in November but if video along with these other great features are on the new phone, then it may be worth it to me to pay full price (:eek:) for the newest model

And that's why Apple has the big bucks, kids!


Haha, a total hypocritical thing for me to say, actually. I bought my first iPhone last year (3G) on launch day, hope to do the same for this one.

[Soreo]

then how could my verizon LG phone circa 2004 handle video perfectly fine? Were not askin for HD movies. I just want a basic 15 sec clip ******** kinda video recorder for mms like most phones :rolleyes:

Exactly. To be able to pull out the phone to take pics of the kids doing something funny or a quick commentary on a ridiculous bumper sticker or something would be great. I don't need to shoot a feature film on an iPhone.

You just addressed the problem. Apple DOESN'T want a bullshee video recorder- It wants to put on the real shabang. You get me? Not motion picture quality, but something above the rest. That's why they've never released video over the years- because the quality's just too crappy to bear. You could agree that Apple crippled the iPhone.





if you look at the video off most phones on youtube it sucks. That combined with the potential life shortening or flash memory that is too slow to properly record, I see no problem with apple not offering it. If you really need it, jailbreak and enjoy the low quality and potentially harming your iphone long term if you use it a lot. While that is unlikely, just a possibility of that prevents product wide rollout, especially when you know some tool is going to record lots of long videos each day. Just because your jailbreak phone can do it doesn't mean apple can roll it out for everyone without looking like d-bags that were just cramming buggy features in the phone.

As far as a new camera, my first point and shoot was 2mp and took great pictures, i'd rather see improved optics and 2 mp camera than another 5 mp phone. the sensor only has to be 1mp to do 720p hd video, 2mp can do 1080p but I doubt it can process and store that kind of data.

Precisely. :-)

[benlee]

apple would not go back to background after they said that push saves battery, they would want to get the most battery out of all the iphones no matter what. EVen if the new iphone can handle it better. why hurt a battery when u can make it last longer.

If I remember they said they tried it on the iPhone and it got horrible results. That doesn't mean that can't optimize a new hardware/software integration. I for one don't think this will happen in 3.0 but it is possible.

I read a comment somewhere that ways saying how Apple is in a way training us with the iPhone. Getting used to the additional gestures and overall experience. I like that approach to thinking about it.

People will complain that this or that should have been in 1st Generation. But the fact of the matter this is a learning experience for Apple. Sure, they make decisions that we as consumers don't want them to make. But we must understand that they are also a business.

Anyways, back on topic. Apple wants to reinvent. They don't want to be a razor, with video that you can hardly make out who the people are or what they are saying. So they leave it out, cut costs and stand out where when it matters. They set the bar once and they set it high. After seeing this, I'm thinking we are going to see a "iPhone Video"--main feature is going to be a high quality video recording camera (most likely a front facing Camera so you can send Video Messages in the new Messages App). Uploading to Youtube and Mobileme...that would be the selling point, with better hardware so your phone runs even faster.

What is the New York and Chicago thing?

[fr33 loader]

I don't think the iPhone will have a flash.

Why?

Because - they're just opened up the connector and the phone via Bluetooth.

This phone, can now wirelessly interact with a slaved flash.
This is pretty useful, as having the flash not physically attached to the camera can give you options.

I don't know about you but I would have saved that pocket space for a real stand-alone camera instead of lugging around a slave flash. If you are concerned about picture quality, I would suggest looking elsewhere.

[automan98]

All of it makes sense. New hardware will address the issues that have kept the iPhone from producing video today. Apple has a lot more to say about iPhone software than hardware.

[wheezy]

So, hopefully the new iPhone can do video, but I forgot about the accessory via the dock connector option now. Someone could make a very decent optic camera that is tethered into the iPhone for storage, complete with real optical zoom and a decent stereo mic. Then, you don't have to rely on a 1/8" plastic lens to capture the video.

Someone mentioned a flash - you could just make a dock-plug sized flash that syncs to the camera - full power awesome brightness flash.

Someone's bound to make a box for High performance cars where you can tune and adjust your motor via a dock connector interface and an iPhone app.

Man... with that connector, the possibilities are endless.

[MacFly123]

the next iPhone wont have background processing. Its more important to save any power for longer standby-time .. background processing wont happen . period. but video will ...

Video (and a better camera with flash) would make me very happy.

I have been predicting this for a while now and restated after the 3.0 announcement that although Apple did not announce video, the new iPhone will do video.

It will have a better camera and probably a flash, but the bigger improvement will be the camera software, with auto focus etc.

Background will NOT happen. Did you people not see the presentation Tuesday? The new iPhone will have a better high tech MacBook Pro style battery but it will need it because of the new CPU and GPU chips etc.

My hope is that it will also finally get the front camera and iChat, but I am not holding my breath.

[winterspan]

Most ridiculous suggestions in this post:

1) An iPhone released in June 09 with a dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 processor. There hasn't even been a phone released on the market with a (single-core) Cortex-A8, which is pretty much a full generation back from the A9. Not to mention dual-core A9 silicon is not even in production from any manufacturer.

2) More ridiculous is the idea that the iPhone would require a dual-core processor to record video! My 4 yr old POS phone can record video! This was clearly an intentional decision on Apples part not to include the feature on the current iPhone 3G.

[thisrocks]

Battery life refers to TALK TIME. that's what he means by 8+ hours. And that will not happen this summer. Maybe 6-7 though

Good to hear. I have a friend who's iPhone 3g can't last more than 4 hours. He needs a new battery but can't be fagged dealing with Apple to go through the whole process.

Would be another great feature of the new iPhone...self replaceable batteries. That's one feature I've found the most useful with all of my phones. When the phone dies. Just take the battery out and it resets beautifully.

[=MuLti-CeLL=]

Another thing that is interesting is Apple's added YouTube features for the iPhone 3.0 OS. They've added subscriptions, user profiles, and maybe one or two other things (?) to iPhone 3.0 OS. That along with the ESPN app video feature that was announced on Tuesday, definitely makes you think that iPhone 3.0 could easily have more video features in store, when coupled with new hardware (iPhone 3).

If they added those couple features to the YouTube app, I'd have to ask if direct YT video upload will be added for iPhone 3 hardware. It's interesting that they're beefing up the YT app in general, along with this screenshot hinting (?) at MobileMe video upload.

Good point and very interesting.

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Apple today announced the next generation of it's popular iPhone mobile handset at it's annual WWDC developers conference. The new device dubbed 'iPhone Video', was unveiled by Apple CEO Steve Jobs (his first appearance after a 6-month leave of absence on medical grounds) at the conferences keynote presentation.

The device features both a high resolution 5 mega-pixel camera for taking photos and video, and a smaller front-facing 2 mega-pixel camera for video-calls to both other phones and computers (using the included iChat Mobile software).

Also included is the 'Photo Booth' software that has become popular on it's desktop and laptop products, and a application titled 'Barcode' that can scan product barcodes using the new high resolution camera, and find online retailers selling that product (comparing the prices between them).

The new iPhone comes in both 16GB and 32GB models, and also features a more powerful CPU and GPU, which will allow developers to create better games and applications for the device.

The launch of the new iPhone Video also brings with it the general release of the iPhone 3.0 software which allows users to connect their laptop the Internet via tethering and use the iPhone as a satellite navigation device, by downloading a application from TomTom, who showcased their software during the keynote.

Sounds good to me! :D

love the thought of new hardware, but before this one is even a year old?

Kinda screws those att customers who would want to upgrade right away.

whatever, make money spend money, make products buy products......

I can't imagine they would upgrade from the first version to the 3G within a year and then wait another 2 years before upgrading from 3G to whatever's next, WWDC '10? Nah, we'll more than likely see something this time around.

Now will it be what everyone's been DREAMING of? That could be hit or miss.

Doesn't really matter to me as I'm waiting to see what's coming in June and I'll be purchasing my first iPhone shortly thereafter, even if it's the current model. There's not much that can ruin my excitement. :D

I remember last year before the 3G iPhone came out there was a rumor on this site showing patents for a front facing camera and describing how ichat would work.I usually do not comment on this forum, just read.
But this is my prediction:
1. low end iPhone (For those that cannot afford or even want a fully featured iPhone).
2. iPhone Pro - With an abundance of features and possibly the edition of a front facing camera for iChat (Which I think Apple has been waiting to release on previous firmwares , so that they can get it right).
Oddly enough there has not been any tangible rumors running around, but last year it was the same thing. This year might be the same thing.I think something will arise within the next month if not before, to let the rumor mills get blowing full blown.

Oh dear Lord, yes, I remember rumor after rumor of the front facing camera last year, seems it's never gonna die! LoL.

A lot of folks don't believe we'll see one because video-chat isnt' up to speed yet but how about this, if a new front facing camera was introduced on the next model, who's to say it would only have to be used for video "chat"? It could be used simply for recording some video of yourself for upload to youtube, mobileme or whatever. Ya know, if your gonna stream to Qik or something like that or just record, let's say, a little virtual tour of your house with 'you' as the host (haha), you're gonna wanna see yourself on the screen to make sure your in the shot...etc for things like that. Unless they are gonna put one of those mirror bubbles by the cam on the back so you can half-@ss see yourself in the frame.

Anyways....we'll see.

I don't think the iPhone will have a flash.

Why?

Because - they're just opened up the connector and the phone via Bluetooth.

This phone, can now wirelessly interact with a slaved flash.
This is pretty useful, as having the flash not physically attached to the camera can give you options.

There was no typo about video - since when did photos get titles and descriptions? Don't see it on my camera roll currently - iPhoto 09 didn't show that. But iLife didn't deal with video being geo-tagged.

Awesome potential would be for iPhoto's facial recognition to be run through every frame of a video, to then ID people in the background. Would be intensive computationally, but doable.

With the voice recorder showing that it can edit - it's possible the video option will do on-phone editing too. Or maybe they'll leave that for another day - but if they're bringing video, why not?

To Youtube, to MobileMe. To sync with iTunes.

As always, good post by t0mat0.

[dyeung]

All phones from this point on must have multi tasking. I mean we are basically trying to create as experience as close to that on a desktop PC. Imagine using windows without alt-tab because theres nothing to alt-tab to.

[str1f3]

AppleInsider Confirmed Source: Apple's next-gen iPhone has video camera


http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/20/source_apples_next_gen_iphone_has_video_camera.html


seeing as appleinsider is almost always right it looks like video will be in hardware 3.0. it might be only on a higher model.

[jnc]

com.apple.iMovieMobile?

I can see the keynote now... haha.
Something about being able to shoot video, edit, and upload to mobile me all while making a phone call.

I was thinking the very same :D iLife for iPhone

[twoodcc]

i really hope that this happens. the iphone really needs this capability

[shm00n]

Is it just me that can't help noticing the MobileMe logo is horribly off-centre?

[cg0def]

gimme gimme