Macrumors is slipping...

[Vlade]

Despite rising to 420 users we are now in the green at about 19900 ppd! The Mac OS X team is above 30K and will be passing us in a few months, but if the trend continues that will be much faster!

Has anyone talked to arn about getting a front page article saying that we passed team speedguide.net and in order to keep rising we need many more participants?

On a unrelated note it seams that 2 WU's I sent in a day ago didn't register on the server, both from different computers, that sucks :(

[wPod]

vlade - what is your avtar? thumbs down apple thumbs up windows?

[blue&whiteman]

I am an anonymous user of folding. I use the terminal version and log in as anonymous. its not about who has the highest numbers and all or getting your name at the top. you seem to be missing the whole point of folding. as long as someone runs it and does their part as a human thats all that matters.

its to help protein research, not to see who ranks the highest. I think this whole approach is wrong.

[Mr. Anderson]

well, macosX is almost doubling our production....and they'll be passing us and we'll be losing our #1 team status.

I think its mostly due to Mrmacman's taunting in their forum. He really got them going.

D

[Rower_CPU]

I've been really scratching my head over our decline lately...a couple of our big folders have dropped in production, but to drop from nearly 30k/week to under 20k/week is just not good and its a mystery as well.

Team Mac OSX gained a lot of momentum in their push to pass SPCR and it's turned them into a formidable group. We need our big guns firing to hold them off.

[Rower_CPU]

I am an anonymous user of folding. I use the terminal version and log in as anonymous. its not about who has the highest numbers and all or getting your name at the top. you seem to be missing the whole point of folding. as long as someone runs it and does their part as a human thats all that matters.

its to help protein research, not to see who ranks the highest. I think this whole approach is wrong.

No, the competitive aspect drives teams to produce even more than they would otherwise. It's a positive aspect of the effort.

You're right about the big picture, but don't discount the motivational factor.

[bousozoku]

I've been really scratching my head over our decline lately...a couple of our big folders have dropped in production, but to drop from nearly 30k/week to under 20k/week is just not good and its a mystery as well.

Team Mac OSX gained a lot of momentum in their push to pass SPCR and it's turned them into a formidable group. We need our big guns firing to hold them off.

Maybe CompUSA cleaned up their machines. :D

For a while, I was running between 600 and 800 points per week. Now, I'm between 400 and 550. I suppose it could be that I'm using the machines more but it seems more likely that I'm drawing slower processing WUs.

[Rower_CPU]

For a while, I was running between 600 and 800 points per week. Now, I'm between 400 and 550. I suppose it could be that I'm using the machines more but it seems more likely that I'm drawing slower processing WUs.

I think that's part of it, hence my discussion of the advmethods switch in the Tinker thread.

Optimization is part of the battle, since if everyone was getting tougher WUs all point rates would drop the same amount - we're the only ones dropping that I've seen.

[Arkillion]

I just recently started folding, and immediatly joined up for macrumors, I have about 400 points so far in about 5 days. I do have another p3 500mhz in my room that I could possibly use, but its damn noisy, and produces tons of heat, I am not sure if I really want to start it up for folding purposes. But if trends continue, I might have to.

[bousozoku]

I just recently started folding, and immediatly joined up for macrumors, I have about 400 points so far in about 5 days. I do have another p3 500mhz in my room that I could possibly use, but its damn noisy, and produces tons of heat, I am not sure if I really want to start it up for folding purposes. But if trends continue, I might have to.

The team appreciates your effort. The P3 is on the low side but it might be enough to pick up some (s)Tinker slack, if things get really rough. We need to keep the G4s working on Gromacs WUs.

[wdlove]

No, the competitive aspect drives teams to produce even more than they would otherwise. It's a positive aspect of the effort.

You're right about the big picture, but don't discount the motivational factor.

Motivation can do a lot. It must be that power users really know how in increase processor power. Like others have said, the most important issue is that we are assisting medical research.

Not to open a can of worms again, but we need to get more members. Do you have any insight into the progress on the banner that we voted on last month? Do you have any control Rower_CPU? ;)

[bousozoku]

If people who have already contributed would continue to contribute, the team would be okay.

Rattle some old cages. :p

[Dros]

I think one reason Team MacOS X has jumped is that there was a page on Apple.com in the science section about folding and it featured them. It had a few misleading statements, but despite that several hundred people joined, I think. So advertising does do good.

I feel a little guilty as I write this... I actually switched a few weeks ago from MacRumors to MacOS X, despite enjoying the MacRumors forums so much. Partly I had been watching them battle SPCR for so long and it seemed like they needed a little extra help, so I was just going to do it temporarily. And partly because I liked the idea of a general Mac group doing folding.

And I have to agree with the people above about folding. The folding researchers put in all the rankings, etc, because they knew that people weren't going to go borg machines and set up folding farms without a little competition to get the juices going. If you don't need that, good for you. I find the friendly taunting between teams amusing and think it enhances my experience.

[Sparky's]

Wether I have directly benefitted from the results of folding or not I am glad that research had progressed far enough to provide me with the proper drugs I needed to beat my cancer into submission (2 years ago). I have been folding now since I just recently came home from the hospital after having emergency surgery to remove a ruptured gallbladder. I only have 20 some points but at this moment I'm 88% through my third protein that will give me another 28 points (for the team mind you). All I can offer is my G4-500 but I leave it running 24/7 now. Having life altering health issue allows one to rethink what the "Big Picture" is and I am proud to offer my machine for whatever it can produce, because it's not about me anymore, it's about those who may not make it, and need this more than I do. But again I love this forum also (even though I've been known to put my foot in my mouth a few times) and have benefitted from the advice and help I have received.
SOoooooooo I raise my glass to Team MacRumors Fold On!!!

[Sparky's]

PS I have 2 more G4s at work I'm updateing to OS X as soon as I do.....it's folding time

[blue&whiteman]

No, the competitive aspect drives teams to produce even more than they would otherwise. It's a positive aspect of the effort.

You're right about the big picture, but don't discount the motivational factor.

I see what you're saying. don't you think the motivation factor would be even better if the focus was on helping people rather than stats. I think this concept would make even more people get on board. emphasize the more human factor. the more positive side of things.

[Rower_CPU]

I see what you're saying. don't you think the motivation factor would be even better if the focus was on helping people rather than stats. I think this concept would make even more people get on board. emphasize the more human factor. the more positive side of things.

Yeah, I think that's a fair argument. Plus, it helps to differentiate Folding from other DC projects.

Honestly, though, another reason for rankings and stats is for immediate feedback on the progress. It may be months/years before a breakthrough is made in Folding - it may be next week. Competition among individuals and teams gives us short-term results while we wait for the long-term ones. :)

[bousozoku]

Certainly competition drives people. The SETI project was going through a phase where people were cheating to pad their scores. :(

I think most people start with the idea that they can be in the team's top 10 within a week or so and when that doesn't happen, they drop out.

[ExoticFish]

my two main machines still continue to pump out WU's at their regular pace but i've been using my primary Mac more lately so it's had a litle less time to process proteins but i think i'll make a better effort to get it back into the game as well. now that i think about it i think i might have another machine i could add... i'll have to see on monday when i go back to work.

cheers to the Macrumors team for all the work they've done so far. Let's continue to show everyone who the number one Mac Folding team is! :)

[chibianh]

I've had the same number of machines crunching and have been holding a steady points output. I'll be getting a G5 this week (yay!!!) and will put that to use also.

[Vlade]

I see what you're saying. don't you think the motivation factor would be even better if the focus was on helping people rather than stats. I think this concept would make even more people get on board. emphasize the more human factor. the more positive side of things.

I know for a fact that if macrumors didn't have a team and a forum for folding we would maybe have 10%, if that of our normal production, competitiveness drives the DC project to gain new members. I agree it would be great if everyone did it for science instead of points, but its a mute point because either one helps science.

[howard]

if someone can point out some of the advances made in the last 6 months i might jump back on the folding bandwagon...i've been a little out of it... has there been any new scripts?...where can i find the old ones/new ones?

i stopped because i have an ibook that i don't want to run to harshly. i had the fried logic board problem and was wondering if folding contributed to that problem.

also...the script i would want to be able to stop/start depending on if my ibook is plugged in or not...

hmm...if that was automated in to the script that would be pretty sweet...maybe it has and i don't know it!...

thanks in advance for the help

[Sparky's]

if someone can point out some of the advances made in the last 6 months i might jump back on the folding bandwagon...i've been a little out of it... has there been any new scripts?...where can i find the old ones/new ones?

i stopped because i have an ibook that i don't want to run to harshly. i had the fried logic board problem and was wondering if folding contributed to that problem.

also...the script i would want to be able to stop/start depending on if my ibook is plugged in or not...

hmm...if that was automated in to the script that would be pretty sweet...maybe it has and i don't know it!...

thanks in advance for the help

Rower, I see someone could use "InCrease" you helped me out with it!

[allonzoallegro]

Greetings computer literate people,

I stumbled across this thread and decided to try and join the folding team, considering my G5 (which I intended to use for Photoshop and Quark work) isn't occupied nearly as much as I would like (I spend too much time in the office).

Unfortunately, though, I know nothing about folding and feel like I've gone down the rabbit hole and who knows where I am.

I also don't know a thing about Terminal, don't really grasp the terms being bandied about on this thread, and am generally a computing neophyte, but would like to pitch in to what seems like a worthy cause (especially considering the guilt that I feel for underusing a G5).

I think I got the gist of the project from the link to the Stanford page, but if someone could explain what on earth my computer is doing in Terminal in simple language, I would definitely appreciate it.

P.S. I think I've logged in as an anonymous user. How do I change my name so that I can monitor my contributions?

[Rower_CPU]

howard-

You have a couple of options. If you're marginally comfortable with the Terminal, I'd say go with mc68k's scripts (http://calnet.sdsu.edu/mc68k/) which now have a pause/resume feature and a work command to show you current progress, thanks to bousozoku.

If you'd prefer a GUI, you can try InCrease (http://teammacosx.homeunix.com/software.html) which is a fully automated install and monitoring/control app.

Let me know if you need help. :)

[Rower_CPU]

Greetings computer literate people,

I stumbled across this thread and decided to try and join the folding team, considering my G5 (which I intended to use for Photoshop and Quark work) isn't occupied nearly as much as I would like (I spend too much time in the office).

Unfortunately, though, I know nothing about folding and feel like I've gone down the rabbit hole and who knows where I am.

I also don't know a thing about Terminal, don't really grasp the terms being bandied about on this thread, and am generally a computing neophyte, but would like to pitch in to what seems like a worthy cause (especially considering the guilt that I feel for underusing a G5).

I think I got the gist of the project from the link to the Stanford page, but if someone could explain what on earth my computer is doing in Terminal in simple language, I would definitely appreciate it.

P.S. I think I've logged in as an anonymous user. How do I change my name so that I can monitor my contributions?

Glad to have you considering adding your G5 to the team. :)

We have a FAQ page (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=21908) that should help to answer quite a few of your questions about what Folding is all about as well as links to download and install the software.

You can also take a look at the InCrease app I mentioned above to howard. One thing to note with that app - make sure you go into the preferences and add your username and the MacRumors team number (3446) before starting the install and running Folding.

[howard]

arighty, i'm back on for awhile at least...

i'll see how things go...i won't be folding 24/7 or anything like that but maybe a few extra points every week or 2 will help out a little

i'm using the terminal version as i hate extra things in the dock. I don't know the terminal well but its not to difficult to run this script.

two quick questions about the terminal...

1) when i type "top" to check on things there are 2 fah4 and 2 FahCore_78 running...is that right?? i'm on an ibook and only have one processor...

2) after you run top it i can't type into the terminal anymore and i have to quick, and then reopen a new window...is there a workaround?

[Rower_CPU]

arighty, i'm back on for awhile at least...

i'll see how things go...i won't be folding 24/7 or anything like that but maybe a few extra points every week or 2 will help out a little

i'm using the terminal version as i hate extra things in the dock. I don't know the terminal well but its not to difficult to run this script.

two quick questions about the terminal...

1) when i type "top" to check on things there are 2 fah4 and 2 FahCore_78 running...is that right?? i'm on an ibook and only have one processor...

2) after you run top it i can't type into the terminal anymore and i have to quick, and then reopen a new window...is there a workaround?

OK, sounds like you installed the dual processor version instead of the single. You really won't see good results with that, so run the rid command and install the single processor script.

To exit top's display hit 'q' or CTRL + 'c'.

[howard]

...no i didn't run the dual script... i killed the process and restarted and now theres just one.

thanks for the closing top tip. i'd really like to get to know the terminal better and using this helps out a little bit.

i remember when i used to run folding...there were only like 100 members back then, and my little ibook actually made a difference :) then like in a few short weeks a few hundred members signed up, that was crazy. i used to run the graphical client back then

[wdlove]

Welcome back howard, it's great to have you back on board. Every little bit helps. ;)

[Arkillion]

I know that even if this is the case, it can't make a huge differnce on your machine. But doesn't there constantly have to be some sort of process that checks your processor to see how much of it that F@H can use? And if you are playing a very demanding game, wouldn't that then affect your fps, as it is checking for available cpu cycles?

[bousozoku]

I know that even if this is the case, it can't make a huge differnce on your machine. But doesn't there constantly have to be some sort of process that checks your processor to see how much of it that F@H can use? And if you are playing a very demanding game, wouldn't that then affect your fps, as it is checking for available cpu cycles?

There is a process manager and it looks at the process priority of each job. The folding@home core gets an extremely low priority so it gets leftover processing power. folding@home doesn't control what it gets. it only suggests where it belongs.

[howard]

i see that the script and fah program put an F@H1 folder in my home directory, is there anyway i can move this to a different directory of my choosing without hurting the program? such as the applications fold in my home directory?

[MrMacMan]

well, macosX is almost doubling our production....and they'll be passing us and we'll be losing our #1 team status.

I think its mostly due to Mrmacman's taunting in their forum. He really got them going.

D

Its my ****ing fault now?

Thats crap Mr. A you know that.

Once we posted in the other forums and our team abandoned us in that thread that was a real let down.

They aren't somehow going to increase that much by looking to their own members and asking them to give more.


I don't care that I cursed or whatever, you know?



Oh whatever, screwed it all.

[britboy]

well, macosX is almost doubling our production....and they'll be passing us and we'll be losing our #1 team status.

I think its mostly due to Mrmacman's taunting in their forum. He really got them going.

D

Personally i would put it down to Team MacOSX being mentioned on the apple web site. They probably got a boat-load of new members from that.

Mind you, MrMacman could probably do with a ribbing, just for taking it too seriously :)

[Rower_CPU]

i see that the script and fah program put an F@H1 folder in my home directory, is there anyway i can move this to a different directory of my choosing without hurting the program? such as the applications fold in my home directory?

If you set F@H to start on reboot, that means you'll have to edit your crontab to point the command to the new location - you can use something like CronniX (http://www.koch-schmidt.de/cronnix/) to avoid doing it in the Terminal.

Otherwise, I don't see any reasons why it wouldn't work.

[Urdam]

I agree

[howard]

If you set F@H to start on reboot, that means you'll have to edit your crontab to point the command to the new location - you can use something like CronniX (http://www.koch-schmidt.de/cronnix/) to avoid doing it in the Terminal.

Otherwise, I don't see any reasons why it wouldn't work.

i moved it to my applications folder and now when i go in terminal and press "start" it says no directory

i don't have it begin on startup btw

[lssmit02]

I see what you're saying. don't you think the motivation factor would be even better if the focus was on helping people rather than stats. I think this concept would make even more people get on board. emphasize the more human factor. the more positive side of things.

I agree, but I have to say, I enjoy the competition too. I know it's ridiculous, but I do check my stats regularly. The compeition does make me want to maximize my output, and that's all for the good. It's fun to be part of a game, and help out at the same time.

But to follow on your point, I've never really understood SETI. I find the idea of discovering extra terrestrial intelligence interesting, but I wouldn't spend a single cycle on it. It will have absolutely no impact on improving life here on earth, whereas the benefits of studying protein folding is likely to matter a lot. But that's my point of view, and I certainly don't mind that people are helping that project. Just wish they would fold for us instead!

[wdlove]

Personally i would put it down to Team MacOSX being mentioned on the apple web site. They probably got a boat-load of new members from that.

Mind you, MrMacman could probably do with a ribbing, just for taking it too seriously :)

Actually, I think that it is just a friendly give and take between MrMacman & Mr. Anderson. They are just enjoying getting on each others case. I know better than to try such a thing, it usually gets me into trouble.

[Sparky's]

well, macosX is almost doubling our production....and they'll be passing us and we'll be losing our #1 team status.

I think its mostly due to Mrmacman's taunting in their forum. He really got them going.

D

I don't understand the fuss, I have been monitoring this page for over a week and the standings haven't changed at all!!

[Rower_CPU]

I don't understand the fuss, I have been monitoring this page for over a week and the standings haven't changed at all!!

The EOC stats page is much more comprehensive: trend lines, past production graphs, etc. Check it out:
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=1971

[Macmaniac]

I've thrown my iMac into the fray, 700 mhz of glorious G3 power! Hopefully I will finish a WU every week:(

[MacFan25]

I noticed that we are slipping up a bit, but hopefully this won't continue for long. Team MacOSX has really stepped up their production lately though, and they'll be passing us in a few months if we don't get some more machines going.

The good news is, I just passed 1,000 points a few days ago. :)

[KWSN Frank]

Hello all!

Greetings from the Knights! Just wanted to see if you were aware of something that one of our Mac users noticed:

The osXers have managed something terribly clever BTW... I did an upgrade of the OS on one of my Macs (yes, it's true--but y'all were warned!) 't'other'day and wood 'ya'look'et'dat, a new application called "InCrease" appears on the desktop. "Wazzat?" Remarks grannie. "Why, it's a graphical front end to the Mac console client that is defaulted to fold for (you guessed it), team 1971." Seems to have come on the very CDs that installed the upgrade--the retail version no less.

So I suppose any taunting must include references to this new and neferious technique for recruiting members, how despicable it is, how their wit, intelligence and good looks were insufficient to attract team members. How they had to resort to this!


Fold on, y'all! :)

[Don't panic]

Hello all!

Greetings from the Knights! Just wanted to see if you were aware of something that one of our Mac users noticed:
The osXers have managed something terribly clever BTW... I did an upgrade of the OS on one of my Macs (yes, it's true--but y'all were warned!) 't'other'day and wood 'ya'look'et'dat, a new application called "InCrease" appears on the desktop. "Wazzat?" Remarks grannie. "Why, it's a graphical front end to the Mac console client that is defaulted to fold for (you guessed it), team 1971." Seems to have come on the very CDs that installed the upgrade--the retail version no less.
So I suppose any taunting must include references to this new and neferious technique for recruiting members, how despicable it is, how their wit, intelligence and good looks were insufficient to attract team members. How they had to resort to this!

Fold on, y'all! :)

well, if they managed to get InCrease on panther's installation CD, I only have one word for that:
Chapeau!
Consider how many more people will be esposed to folding and be happy.
and if that means we'll never catch them when they pass us, so be it.
As long as the Knights stay behind.... ;) :D

[Mustang Mac]

As long as the Knights stay behind....

They are Nits, not pinworms! Make sure you keep your parasites straight!

nit definition [n] egg or young of an insect parasitic on mammals especially a sucking louse; often attached to a hair or item of clothing.

pinworm definition [n] small threadlike worm infesting human intestines and rectum especially in children

You know, it sure is difficult to differentiate the two now that I think about it. Maybe the Nits Who Say No! are pinworms! :eek:

[KWSN Frank]

Hmm. . . apparently Mustang Mac = Macaholic (aka macosx chief stick-shaker). Who's the parasite? It's too bad you have to cannibalize Macrumours to build up your own team!

Y'all come over to the Knights! We may be a loony bunch, but we'd like to think we have something more in common than just an operating system . . . We've got Macs, Linux, Windows (gasp!) and a sense of humor! ;) :rolleyes:

[Mustang Mac]

It's too bad you have to cannibalize Macrumours to build up your own team!

No. They can hold their own. Besides, they like to ignore my dry, cool wit. You, however, Frank with beans seem to be full of gas and have a hard time taking a taunt! So much so, that it had to spill over into this forum! I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee! :D

Courtesy of ESPN. Consider it the rules of engagement!

Muhammad Ali was so devastating he could floor you with his words, too. There are more than 200,000 words in the English language. At least half can be used in a derogatory fashion. We can do better than "kick your butt." We need to do better than "kick your butt."

To put it another way: Somewhere, Muhammad Ali is weeping.

Fact is, the Greatest of All Time was also the Greatest Sports Taunter of All Time. And if the planet's most beloved athlete not named David Beckham taught us anything -- beyond the utility of quitting while you're ahead -- it's how to appreciate a well-phrased insult. Ali's barbs were clever, funny, inspired; more importantly, they got into the other guy's head and gave the Greatest an actual advantage in the ring.

At its best, taunting is poetry with a mean-spirited purpose. It's an art form that surpasses common, forgettable trash talk.

[Plutronics]

Did you Know that KWSN_Frank is pulling our legs , really !
all his fellow Knights have had their leg pulled so much , they can't But walk around in Circles ( Like they could ever walk a straight Line )
It make them Walk Kinda .... Silly
Yes , Silly Walking is what it Tis ...
Pluts :D

[KWSN Frank]

Courtesy of ESPN. Consider it the rules of engagement!

Well, you'd better work on your taunts, then. You float like a Mustang and sting like a butterfly, from what I've seen!

[Mustang Mac]

Wow! Now that is what I call a taunt. Can't compete with...... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Huh, what?! Sorry, fell asleep at the keyboard. What with all the exciting taunting that....... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Maybe you need to bring more beans with you Frank in order to turn on the laughing gas!

http://www.armsystems.com/emoticons/sleep.gif

A: Knock Knock
B: Who's there?
A: Frank
B: Frank who?
A: Frankly I don't know!

[KWSN Frank]

Did you Know that KWSN_Frank is pulling our legs , really !
all his fellow Knights have had their leg pulled so much , they can't But walk around in Circles ( Like they counld ever walk a straight Line )
It make them Walk Kinda .... Silly
Yes , Silly Walking is what it Tis ...
Pluts :D

No, I'm not pulling your legs, just raising concern on a subject that I heard second-hand. Obviously, anything that gets more people folding is a good thing, and the publicity this project (and Team MacOSX) have had on Apple.com is exactly that. So fold on everybody, and I'll see Macaholic back on the boards where this taunting belongs.

[Mustang Mac]

just raising concern on a subject that I heard second-hand

Now that IS looney! Being a member of the notorious 'Sons of Silly People' one would think YOU would realize a snipe when you see one! That is great! ROTFLMFAO! Truly amazing! An idea so outlandish, yet you bought it hook, line, and sinker from your own members! Make it stop! My sides are splitting! For those that want to see 'The rest of the story', be sure to stop by the enema forum (http://kwsnforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3125) for a good cleansing! :) Your colon will thank you for it! Fold on!

[Dreadnought]

Oeeee, looks like we have some company from a tin can! Haven't laughed this much with taunting in a while, not since we past those tin cans! But seriously, Frank, thanks for the info. That's probably the case why Team osX gets so much more folding done, it couldn't just be the free publicity on Apple's page. Their app probably installs folding automatically when you install Panther. It's time we get such an app!

[MrMacMan]

We are not weathering this storm well.


and all of that 'taunting' is pretty lame IMHO.

[Nny]

count 1 more user for the cause.... i was on Maccentral's team last year, but then i quit for a long time, and now i am backing a WINNER

[Dreadnought]

Welcome on board!

[MrMacMan]

count 1 more user for the cause.... i was on Maccentral's team last year, but then i quit for a long time, and now i am backing a WINNER

hehe.

Some of the other mac teams are really falling apart I hear. :o

Welcome to MacRumors #3446! :D

[wdlove]

count 1 more user for the cause.... i was on Maccentral's team last year, but then i quit for a long time, and now i am backing a WINNER

Welcome to Mac Forums and our folding team Nny. The more the merrier. Still helping society is the greater good.

[Sparky's]

I think this Thread should be combined with the "Time to roust the Troops" Thread, I'm getting a headache bouncing back and forth.

I'm working on a Tinker at the moment, and I think it will be another 11 days to the end, but I'm patient.

109 frames finished out of 400 in 4 days..... but 70+ points :(

[G4scott]

I just installed InCrease, after changing the prefs to fold for 3446...

Although it's good more people are folding, I think it's unethical for macosX to not prompt users at first which team they'd wish to fold for, or whether or not they'd like to go independent, instead of automatically having them fold for their team.

I just added my PowerBook back to the mix. I took folding off, because it would wreak havoc on my battery life, and run this little machine to death, but with the InCrease program, I can pause WU's, and they'll automatically pause when the machine is on battery power... I can also set it up to pause when I open photoshop, which is a good idea.

Either way, I'm back...

[susato]

G4Scott wrote:I just installed InCrease, after changing the prefs to fold for 3446...

Although it's good more people are folding, I think it's unethical for macosX to not prompt users at first which team they'd wish to fold for, or whether or not they'd like to go independent, instead of automatically having them fold for their team.

First, I'm delighted that you're using InCrease and that you're happy with it. As for your comment on ethics, I think you're stretching a point.

When you first attempt to install Increase, first you get the help page (an obligatory read) and after that an initial screen which says, right at the bottom, Increase is not installed. Please verify your preferences before installing.

If you set up Increase correctly, following the directions provided by the developer right there within the app, you will then go to the preferences screen where you can easily put in whatever nickname and team number you like. The default team was set for the convenience of Team Mac OS X members who have been the core user base for InCrease since it first issued last year.

There are certain installer scripts available for PC's which set the nick and team to the developer's own settings in ways that are near impossible for new folders to detect and change. :eek: That is not the case here. New InCrease users are directed to the prefs screens and specifically advised to verify their settings, and the settings are trivially easy to change.

If you like InCrease, please continue to recommend it to your friends, counseling them to follow ALL the setup instructions to get it folding the way they want.

with best wishes,
susato from team Mac OS X

[G4scott]

I realize that the app tells users to set their preferences before installing, which should lead them to change their name and possibly team, but if they don't know what they're doing, or they don't want to fold for any team in particular, and they just leave those fields alone, then team macosX gets points.

While it is true that you developed the program, I think more should be done to make the user aware that they can switch teams, or fold for no team at all.

[NoahJ]

I realize that the app tells users to set their preferences before installing, which should lead them to change their name and possibly team, but if they don't know what they're doing, or they don't want to fold for any team in particular, and they just leave those fields alone, then team macosX gets points.

While it is true that you developed the program, I think more should be done to make the user aware that they can switch teams, or fold for no team at all.
G4Scott,

While you may not like it that is how it is done by all teams including your own. The number is there for 2 reasons, first for the convenincve of our team members, and second as an example of what should be entered in case one is unsure of what is being requested. There is nothing "unethical" about it. If you don't like it, use another program. We are not forcing any other teams to use it, nor do we specifically advertise it to other teams. So far all users of InCrease have specifically downloaded it from our site or have been referred to it by another user of InCrease. Quality shows for what it is and this program is fast becoming the premiere application for installing and monitoring the CLI client on OS X. Please save any vitriolic comments for other apps that do in fact hide that they make you fold for another team, and another person. Thanks!

And also, if you are trying to act as if this is why TeamMacOSX has gained so many new members lately, try again. We do it the same as any team, through hard work and dedication. Keep up the fold! :cool:

[Mustang Mac]

Feel free to use mc68k's wonderful install scripts. He's a member of your folding team and I'm sure his scripts would do the same job as InCrease. Sorry for the inconvenience. Now everyone can simply be referred to mc68k's script links instead of InCrease. Thanks. Fold on!

Scripts can be found at http://calnet.sdsu.edu/mc68k/

[calxalot]

On first run, InCrease searchs fairly hard for pre-existing client folders and accumulates users and teams found. The intended behavior is for the first non-zero user and team to be used. Only if no teams were found is the default team 1971 entered for you. I do not believe this is the least bit unethical.

If you had a case where InCrease switched teams on you it is a bug and should be reported with as much detail as possible in my help thread.

[Rower_CPU]

...
While you may not like it that is how it is done by all teams including your own.
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Not true at all. mc68k's script inserts no team # or username with the inital setup.

We've had 2 reports now that 10.3 installs InCrease on people's desktops. You sure Apple didn't add it to their image? ;)

[NoahJ]

2 reports? One was a nutty Nit, who was the second? Besides the person quoting said squirrel?

And on the mcScript, great! Glad to hear it. Still does not make it wrong to have a default value. :p

[Rower_CPU]

2 reports? One was a nutty Nit, who was the second? Besides the person quoting said squirrel?

Here's the second: jbeetz - MR folder (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=795062#post795062)
Just strikes me as odd that we've got multiple sources speaking up, assuming that jbeetz isn't messing around. ;)

And on the mcScript, great! Glad to hear it. Still does not make it wrong to have a default value. :p

Never said it was wrong to, just that not "all teams" do it. :p

[GeeYouEye]

I try Folding, and pretty much without fail, every time it sends a WU, I get no points for it (yes I've checked my prefs). It's probably because 800MHz of G3 just ain't that great, but soon (as in enough $$ for a graphics card, a processor and an optical drive) I'll add a 2.8 OC'ed to 3.something P4 to the mix.









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Softyards Software (http://www.softyards.com)

[Sparky's]

I try Folding, and pretty much without fail, every time it sends a WU, I get no points for it (yes I've checked my prefs). It's probably because 800MHz of G3 just ain't that great, but soon (as in enough $$ for a graphics card, a processor and an optical drive) I'll add a 2.8 OC'ed to 3.something P4 to the mix. ----------------
Softyards Software (http://www.softyards.com)

Gee, I have a G3-400 that I have upgraded to a G4-500 with a Sonnet CPU chip. The Graphics card does nothing to improve "Folding" its the free CPUs available to the program that gets the job done. I downloaded mc68k's script http://calnet.sdsu.edu/mc68k/ and have been folding flawlessly since, in fact I am now half way through a "Tinker" (after 7 days) and I have as you can see in my signature 72+ points. This Tinker when finished will give me another 70 points. I have noticed though that in the "certificate" section of the team site I still have "0" credits. upon further investigation I see that credits are awarded in groups of 10, so unitl I have 10 WU completed I won't get credit for them. (at least I think that's correct)
Rower, thoughts?

[Mike Teezie]

I should be able to get my Dual G5 in a few weeks.

Would that help if I joined the team?

Obviously I'm gonig to join anyway, I'm just curious how much my machine will help. Really, I don't know much about folding. Tell me what I need to do.

[howard]

a dual g5 will rock the house, i've been contributing with my 700mhz ibook.. averaging about 7 pts a day...

yours will probably average like 50-100 pts a day!! any other g5 users out there how many pts do you average?

[Don't panic]

On first run, InCrease searchs fairly hard for pre-existing client folders and accumulates users and teams found. The intended behavior is for the first non-zero user and team to be used. Only if no teams were found is the default team 1971 entered for you. I do not believe this is the least bit unethical.

If you had a case where InCrease switched teams on you it is a bug and should be reported with as much detail as possible in my help thread.

i tried InCrease in one of my machines and it worked fine, setting the folding for team 3446, and keeping the WU going. It did (politely) invite me to re-consider and join their team (which i politely refrained from doing). I see no problem with that nor with the default being 1971 for new users, as i got the copy from their site.

If it does put a copy on the desktop on upgrade to panther, than I think it is a bit unfair in the spirit of the competition, because people would soon be folding for the team without even knowing it. If in the next version it had no default or a more "open" set up process, I would consider it a class act, rather than something due.
That said, InCrease is a nice piece of software that will get more people folding. In that it's all good.

BTW, i have mc68k scripts running on my other CPUs, which work great.

InCrease is a bit more GUI-friendly, especially for neophites.
a couple of nice touches of Increase are that you know the rate of points you are producing and the tot points of the WU, without having to search for it.
The one bit I wasn't overly enthusiastic about was that now my screensaver has the sentence "drop team 3446 and join 1971..." scrolling and bouncing irreversibly around my screen, and the homepage on safari was changed to http://teammacosx.homeunix.com/
other than that, i'm ok with it

keep folding (for team 3446)

[MrMacMan]

I should be able to get my Dual G5 in a few weeks.

Would that help if I joined the team?

Obviously I'm gonig to join anyway, I'm just curious how much my machine will help. Really, I don't know much about folding. Tell me what I need to do.
We have several G5 members, and they are kicking.

With a G5 like yours will produce near 40-80 (I've seen 120 in one day once) points which is a very nice thing.

Thanks for your support.

[wdlove]

MrMacman do you know why I'm not listed in the members milestone in the last seven days list?

[MrMacMan]

MrMacman do you know why I'm not listed in the members milestone in the last seven days list?
As far sa I know... your point total of '3,398' is not a milestone.

[G4scott]

I actually think InCrease is a great program, and I am using it right now. If you want to give people an example of what to put in the team number box, put the tip in parenthesis below or next to the box, not actually in the box. I think it'd be less confusing too...

Either way, I'll agree that InCrease is a great program that makes it easier for more mac users to fold.

[bousozoku]

I actually think InCrease is a great program, and I am using it right now. If you want to give people an example of what to put in the team number box, put the tip in parenthesis below or next to the box, not actually in the box. I think it'd be less confusing too...

Either way, I'll agree that InCrease is a great program that makes it easier for more mac users to fold.

Funny, a few people (I was one of them) were reacting similarly to what Vlade was planning to make folding easier to set up with the console client. He was planning to supply 3446 in the setup. I'm sure most teams would not want to use something from another team that was that easy to re-direct output.

[calxalot]

If InCrease is on your desktop, it's because you clicked the download link. It's distributed as a "net-enabled" disk image, which means it automatically gets mounted, has its contents copied to the desktop, gets unmounted, and the .dmg gets tossed into the trash.

[G4scott]

Yeah, I was going to say, it would be kind of weird to find that increase was on the Panther CD's, seeing as that Apple doesn't normally change the software on their CD's that often, and that not many people would know what to do with it.

[adamjay]

i just added a 4th machine to my personal folding arsenal.
a 2.6ghz Pentium 4 that is idle for about 20 hours a day. hopefully this will help keep things up through this Tinker storm.

the current Platoon:
450mhz G4 Tower
867mhz G4 Powerbook
766mhz Pentium 3 Dell Tower
2.6ghz Pentium 4 Medion Tower

probably little more than the power of 1 dual G5, but what ya gonna do.
i might be able to add another 733mhz Pentium 3 next month, i have a skeleton machine that just needs a hard drive and some ram.
we're narrowing in on the Speedguide.net team.. we can do it!!!

[MrMacMan]

i just added a 4th machine to my personal folding arsenal.
a 2.6ghz Pentium 4 that is idle for about 20 hours a day. hopefully this will help keep things up through this Tinker storm.

the current Platoon:
450mhz G4 Tower
867mhz G4 Powerbook
766mhz Pentium 3 Dell Tower
2.6ghz Pentium 4 Medion Tower

probably little more than the power of 1 dual G5, but what ya gonna do.
i might be able to add another 733mhz Pentium 3 next month, i have a skeleton machine that just needs a hard drive and some ram.
we're narrowing in on the Speedguide.net team.. we can do it!!!
Cool.

Nice Setup there. :)

Mind if a steal one? ;)

Yeah speedguide is a coming.

[wdlove]

As far sa I know... your point total of '3,398' is not a milestone.

They list indiviluals that have reached milestomnes such as 1,000, 2,000, 3,000, & etc. It is done over a seven day period. Scroll down please.

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=3446

[jbeetz]

assuming that jbeetz isn't messing around. ;)

Nope, was as serious as a heart attack. It popped up "mysteriously", but honestly, this is a family machine and when I did the panther upgrade I booted it direct from CD so my surprise came after reboot. Looking through the install log for evidence was, well, gawd!!! have you ever tried to trace that thing after an OS upgrade? :eek:

Anyway, a later poster (the author?) said InCrease had to have been installed "on purpose" by pressing the download button, so I checked Safari's download manager and sure enough, there was InCrease. So I must assume that an unbeknownst person must have done it on purpose (or "on accident", if interrogated)... it's appearance in connection with upgrade process was most likely coincidental.

Oh, I had to relinquish control of the non-home folding machines and sadly, the home machine is so slow it's not worth the electricity. So I haven't been helping at all. Sorry all!

[buffsldr]

Speaking of milestones... to toot my own horn, I just passed 10,000 points today. I have typically just used my work comp to fold, but I am looking to recruit other machines.

[MrMacMan]

Speaking of milestones... to toot my own horn, I just passed 10,000 points today. I have typically just used my work comp to fold, but I am looking to recruit other machines.

Good Job! :D

[garybooberry]

I'll pop it on my home machine tonight and leave it running during the day, I'll try and leave it runnign on my POS at work, too. :)

[PyroTurtle]

well, i'm down a computer. folding@home doesn't work on ppc linux...
so now i've got:

1x800Mhz G4 Tower
1x867Mhz G4 Tower
2x1.2Ghz G4 Tower (at work, so not consistent)
1x867 G4 Laptop

looking at getting some mATX machines with athalons in there to help out the folding team. and does anyone know if you can cluster folding on any platform? cause i'd gladly do it with my linux farm, i just have no time to figure it out...stupid work

so what really is the ULTIMATE foldign machine?

[benpatient]

ultimate would be a combination of two machines...a dual Opteron (or 64 FX) and a dual G5...with some sort of "selector" to make the gromacs hit the G5 and the tinkers go to the AMD...

[bousozoku]

well, i'm down a computer. folding@home doesn't work on ppc linux...
so now i've got:

1x800Mhz G4 Tower
1x867Mhz G4 Tower
2x1.2Ghz G4 Tower (at work, so not consistent)
1x867 G4 Laptop

looking at getting some mATX machines with athalons in there to help out the folding team. and does anyone know if you can cluster folding on any platform? cause i'd gladly do it with my linux farm, i just have no time to figure it out...stupid work

so what really is the ULTIMATE foldign machine?

Are Athalons the processors for athaletes? :p

The ultimate machine? I'd say that a dual Athlon MP system would be great, but Tyan has a new motherboard to support four 64-bit AMD processors. That has to dispatch work units faster than any other consumer motherboard.