FEd ex plane crashes

[mousemd]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/03/22/japan.planecrash/index.html

Obviously, this is tragic. Yet, it originated in China. One can not help but wonder how many mac orders went down on this plane as well.

[jessica.]

Funny, when a freight plane crashes the last thing I think about is what was on it.

[r.j.s]

It had all of the xMacs onboard, and they were going to be a surprise release for tomorrow.

When SJ got word of these behind-his-back dealings, he ordered the plane to crash.

[quagmire]

Why didn't the plane go around after that bad of a bounce? Something must be up because no way the pilots would go nose down like that. Probably came in fast( causing the bounce), but then the high pitch up on the bounce drained all the speed of the plane causing it to go nose down.

Hopefully, the data recorder will hopefully show us that the pilots tried to increase power but was too slow to recover which resulted in another error( whatever caused the plane to list to the left).

[yg17]

It had all of the xMacs onboard, and they were going to be a surprise release for tomorrow.

When SJ got word of these behind-his-back dealings, he ordered the plane to crash.

Are freight planes going to be the new freight elevators for piss poor spy shots of new Apple products?

[r.j.s]

Why didn't the plane go around after that bad of a bounce? Something must be up because no way the pilots would go nose down like that. Probably came in fast( causing the bounce), but then the high pitch up on the bounce drained all the speed of the plane causing it to go nose down.

Hopefully, the data recorder will hopefully show us that the pilots tried to increase power but was too slow to recover which resulted in another error( whatever caused the plane to list to the left).

From what I understand of it so far, wind shear forced the plane down too hard right before landing ... might you be thinking of the other plane crash that killed 14?

[quagmire]

From what I understand of it so far, wind shear forced the plane down too hard right before landing ... might you be thinking of the other plane crash that killed 14?

No. I know wind is a factor( we don't know yet what kind of wind shear it is. Did it have a vertical component that would force it down that hard?), but speed could also be as that is also a factor when a plane bounces( I have done it plenty of times here at Riddle). Frankly, after that first hard bounce I would have gone around. Like I said hopefully the data recorder will show something of an attempt to go around( engines powering up), but was too slow and the plane nose dived( also like I said the pilots wouldn't pitch the nose down like that, but the video quality isn't that great so I can't see the elevator action of seeing what the pilots were doing) into the second bounced and then listed to the left.

[r.j.s]

No. I know wind is a factor, but speed could also be as that is also a factor when a plane bounces( I have done it plenty of times here at Riddle). Frankly, after that first hard bounce I would have gone around. Like I said hopefully the data recorder will show something of an attempt to go around( engines powering up), but was too slow and the plane nose dived( also like I said the pilots wouldn't pitch the nose down like that, but the video quality isn't that great so I can't see the elevator action of seeing what the pilots were doing) into the second bounced and then listed to the left.

I saw a video, but your description sounded more like the smaller passenger plane that crashed and killed 14. It supposedly listed far left after stalling on final ...

[quagmire]

I saw a video, but your description sounded more like the smaller passenger plane that crashed and killed 14. It supposedly listed far left after stalling on final ...

Looking at the video again, he was probably going a bit slow as the plane almost immediately nose dived after the first bounce. The left main landing gear could also have collapsed as it went to the left as soon as the mains touched down after that second touchdown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omgazSExHtM

[rdowns]

One can not help but wonder how many mac orders went down on this plane as well.

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[ReanimationLP]

...wow.

Two people die and all you seem to care about is some computer systems?

I totally agree with rDowns picture.

[Tomorrow]

Two people die and all you seem to care about is some computer systems?


Kinda was I was thinking - I'm a little bit surprised.

Watching the video was a little freaky. It's easy to lose sight of just how big an MD-11 is (not too much smaller than a 747), so when you see it bouncing and nosing back down, you don't necessarily realize at first just how big a jump and pitch that was. I'm not a pilot, but I'm guessing it was pretty easy to lose whatever control you had of the plane at that time.

My condolences to the families.

[Abstract]

...wow.

Two people die and all you seem to care about is some computer systems?

I totally agree with rDowns picture.


I think the OP was joking.

[SFStateStudent]

I think I need to quit posting on this thread. Sad to hear about the plane crash....:(

[phuong]

what is wrong with people?
no body seems to care if there's any injuries?
the first thing comes to your mind is how many macs were gone?
that's sad

[cantthinkofone]

Funny, when a freight plane crashes the last thing I think about is what was on it.

No **** :rolleyes:

The computer can be replaced....

[jessica.]

It is just sad that people seem to think that stuff trumps the lives of others. It is just stuff and it can be replaced. Sure, it sucks in the end but so does dying. So does losing your loved ones. So does wondering whether or not the people who died had families and what they could do. People go to work every day and probably never give another thought about whether or not they'll come home that night. Sure, we think about that with cops and firefighters ... military service men and women ... but not so much FedEx or just your basic run-o-the-mill jobs. And in the end, the basis of this thread started as "OMGWTFBBQ MY COMPUTERZ". Who the hell cares about the computers? It's not like Apple wouldn't send a replacement rapidly.

*climbs off soapbox*

[r.j.s]

*climbs off soapbox*

I, for one, have dealt with enough death in my life to automatically think of the families (and I'd like to leave it at that) ... and in this case, although my thoughts are with them, didn't feel the need to post my condolences here - where the chances are pretty slim that they will be read, or meaningful, to the victims' families.

[Rodimus Prime]

This just makes me think of the money Cast Away.

[Abstract]

I don't know about you guys, but I still believe that the OP was just joking, trying to lighten up a sad story......

[Michael Belisle]

At least one Macbook was on there, ordered by a buddy of mine a few offices down.

For the curious, the tracking status says "Exception - Beyond Our Control" and Apple sent him an email saying that his order had been "damaged" in transit. They've already sending a new one out to him.

And yes, it's tragic. But the wheels of business still churn, so it's legitimate to also wonder what happens to the packages.

[Tomorrow]

I imagine most of these packages, in particular the expensive ones like Macs, are insured. Not that it necessarily makes it easier for the vendors and FedEx to deal with the "little" things like replacing packages damaged in transit when you know two people died in the same event.

[Cromulent]

Am I the only one who thought of the Tom Hanks film Cast Away when they saw this thread title?

[jessica.]

This just makes me think of the money Cast Away.

Am I the only one who thought of the Tom Hanks film Cast Away when they saw this thread title?

Seriously doubtful. ;)

[ChrisA]

It is just sad that people seem to think that stuff trumps the lives of others. It is just stuff and it can be replaced.

You are correct.

But why is there a thread here about two people getting killed in an accident? I think every year something like 14,000 people are kill in car accidents. Many people die every day but
no threads here and no CNN story.

But if the accident involves and airplane it makes the news. If the pilots were driving home and ran their car into a tree and were killed, no news story.

Apparently "stuff" matters more than people. At least he that "stuff" is something big like an MD11

OK, one more theory. I think it more like "pictures metter more than people". This made the news because there was a video. Had there not been some video it would never have made the news.

[Tomorrow]

Y...why is there a thread here about two people getting killed in an accident? I think every year something like 14,000 people are kill in car accidents. Many people die every day but
no threads here and no CNN story.

But if the accident involves and airplane it makes the news. If the pilots were driving home and ran their car into a tree and were killed, no news story.

Apparently "stuff" matters more than people. At least he that "stuff" is something big like an MD11

OK, one more theory. I think it more like "pictures metter more than people". This made the news because there was a video. Had there not been some video it would never have made the news.

It made news primarily for two reasons:

(1) Many news outlets tend to report stories that are sensational or play off of people's fears. Plane crashes tend to get people scared, so they pay attention.

(2) This is about the sixth crash of an MD-11 in the past dozen or so years, and its safety has been called into question for quite some time. Another crash brings its safety record back into the spotlight. Check out the table on this page (http://www.airdisaster.com/statistics/). The MD-11's rate of fatal incidents is surpassed only by the Concorde among major passenger aircraft - and the lone Concorde crash was partially responsible for that particular aircraft being pulled from service.

[yg17]

(2) This is about the sixth crash of an MD-11 in the past dozen or so years, and its safety has been called into question for quite some time. Another crash brings its safety record back into the spotlight. Check out the table on this page (http://www.airdisaster.com/statistics/). The MD-11's rate of fatal incidents is surpassed only by the Concorde among major passenger aircraft - and the lone Concorde crash was partially responsible for that particular aircraft being pulled from service.

And the Concorde crash wasn't even due to a fault in the Concorde. A piece of metal fell off a plane taking off on the runway before the Concorde, ironically a Continental Airlines DC-10 (An MD-11 is basically a larger DC-10), and the Concorde hit it, punctured the tire and then it all pretty much went from there.

[JNB]

And the Concorde crash wasn't even due to a fault in the Concorde. A piece of metal fell off a plane taking off on the runway before the Concorde, ironically a Continental Airlines DC-10 (An MD-11 is basically a larger DC-10), and the Concorde hit it, punctured the tire and then it all pretty much went from there.

And that's the BEA-supported version. Unfortunately, there was a very flawed and incomplete investigation that intentionally pointed to that metal as being the cause, when the Concorde was overweight, CG was too far aft, and the titanium strip blamed as the cause was well out of position to have been conclusively proven as be responsible. With other significant problems noted on the aircraft and its trim, the FOD was just convenient and fortunate "evidence" for the manufacturer.

[Doctor Q]

That was an awful and unfortunate crash. It's a tragedy for the pilot and co-pilot (both Americans), their families, and for Fedex. It's also unfortunate for Narita airport, which had gone 30 years without a fatal crash.

Yes there were indeed Macs on that flight, including one destined for a friend of mine. He called me about it today. Apple told him that a replacement has already been shipped and will arrive in 2 to 5 days.

[DMcH]

Yeah, I had a new MacBook on the FedEx flight. Apple sent out a replacement a few days ago via UPS....

That plane is now grounded in Alaska due to the volcanic eruption there, too much ash in the air to fly. No lie, absolutely surreal.

[Tomorrow]

And that's the BEA-supported version. Unfortunately, there was a very flawed and incomplete investigation that intentionally pointed to that metal as being the cause, when the Concorde was overweight, CG was too far aft, and the titanium strip blamed as the cause was well out of position to have been conclusively proven as be responsible. With other significant problems noted on the aircraft and its trim, the FOD was just convenient and fortunate "evidence" for the manufacturer.

Some or all of this may well be true - but the TOW and CG had nothing to do with the engine catching on fire.