Next Gen iPhone: 802.11n and Video Editing?

[MacRumors]

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Since the iPhone 3.0 beta release, developers have been digging through the firmware looking for evidence of future iPhones and capabilities. An early finding (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/iphone-os-3-0-beta-references-four-unknown-products/) revealed that a number of unknown iPhone model numbers already appear in the beta firmware. Over the weekend, a few new findings have added two new features to the next generation iPhone.

Driver support for new Broadcom Wi-Fi chips suggest (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/04/next_ipod_touch_iphone_to_support_low_power_802_11n_mode.html) that the next iPhone will add support for 802.11n. The iPhone and iPod touch currently only support the slower 802.11b/g networks. Supporting only 802.11n devices on a wireless network can significant improve performance. With existing iPhone hardware, this mixed environment was unavoidable.

Meanwhile, an inadvertent Publish Video (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/upload-video-screen-suggests-video-capabilities-in-next-iphone/) screenshot from the first iPhone 3.0 beta suggests that Apple is incorporating video recording and uploads directly from your iPhone. Some new user interface elements (http://www.tuaw.com/2009/04/05/rumor-iphone-os-3-0-to-include-video-editing-tools/) in the 3.0 beta suggest that you will also be able to edit these videos before uploading. If Apple does indeed provide video recording and publishing, it certainly makes sense to offer some limited editing/clipping ability.

The iPhone 3.0 firmware will not be released to the public until this Summer, and Apple is rumored to be releasing their next generation iPhone in that timeframe.

Article Link: Next Gen iPhone: 802.11n and Video Editing? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/05/next-gen-iphone-802-11n-and-video-editing/)

[Solemony]

Cool! I can't wait till that :)

[Vulcan]

Awesome! Can't wait for wireless N :)

[winks360]

I am so excited I havent the money for the 3G yet so I am starting my savings for the new iPhone and I will wait to get it :) yay, the video editing sounds nice but I don't think it will be much :/ but some is better than none. Props Apple :))))

[srl7741]

Wireless "n" will be great to have. The video will make a lot of ppl happy to.

[BlizzardBomb]

Wireless N and video recording/ editing will give us even less to moan about. This is looking like it'll be a solid improvement over the iPhone 3G.

[Kilamite]

Long as it is a decent camera with decent video recording I'm happy.

[Chupa Chupa]

iMovie iPhone Edition would be very cool. 802.11n is nice too. In fact, I think the only think I'm not going to like about the next gen iPhone is the line I'll undoubtably have to wait in to satisfy the Apple PR suits. Personally it would be nice if those of us that are just replacing an older gen iPhone could just pre-order it and active at home.

[hbg]

Is it not looking good for the Palm Pre. They won't have much compelling to offer that's new with all the updates.

[techfreak85]

Is it not looking good for the Palm Pre. They won't have much compelling to offer that's new with all the updates.

well i think thats kinda the idea of competition. ;)

[Chupa Chupa]

Wireless N and video recording/ editing will give us even less to moan about. This is looking like it'll be a solid improvement over the iPhone 3G.

Depends who "us" is. There will be a segment of iPhone 2G and 3G owners that will moan because that is who they are.

[aznkid25]

So if the Next-gen iphone does have 802.11n, is it a hardware or software based? The reason I ask is because I have a 2nd gen ipod touch, and it would be great to have 802.11n from the 3.0 software update.

[ThomasJL]

802.11n is still in draft status, and is expected to be finalized only in January 2010.

If you buy an Apple 802.11n product (such as a MacBook or the alleged upcoming 802.11n iPhone), it will likely only run at 802.11n speeds only on Apple's "AirPort Extreme" Wi-Fi router. On routers by other manufacturers, it will likely run at sub-standard speeds. This is not the fault of the other manufacturers, as their routers are arguably much superior to Apple's (for example, AirPort Extreme does not have wired gigabit ports... there's no gigabit LAN ports, and there's no gigabit WAN port). Many people--especially people outside of the US in countries where FTTH is more common and will soon exceed speeds of 100 Mbps, gigabit WAN and LAN ports are highly important).

[hbg]

well i think thats kinda the idea of competition. ;)

Agree. The Apple lead is so big- name awareness, perception of Apple, perception of the iPhone, App store with 30,000+ apps, a well developed operating system, huge cash resources to further advertise and develop (Palm is on life support and a VC cash infusion- even if they hit it big the profits won't come close to touching Apple's billions), etc., etc.

[Chupa Chupa]

So if the Next-gen iphone does have 802.11n, is it a hardware or software based? The reason I ask is because I have a 2nd gen ipod touch, and it would be great to have 802.11n from the 3.0 software update.

I don't think 802.11 anything can be software based. Each standard requires specific hardware. Maybe you are thinking of the MacBooks that were 802.11g but then upgradable to 802.11n. In that case the MB's had a 802.11n chip all along, Apple just didn't include the driver b/c the standard wasn't ready yet -- it still isn't official actually. When Apple had workable drivers they released them to active "n" in the MBs. I don't think the iPhone 3G has an "n" chip in it.

[BlizzardBomb]

Depends who "us" is. There will be a segment of iPhone 2G and 3G owners that will moan because that is who they are.

Well that's technology. I didn't really moan when they updated the iMac G5 a couple of months after I bought mine. Pay to keep up, or just sit back, relax and be happy with what you have. :)

So if the Next-gen iphone does have 802.11n, is it a hardware or software based?

Hardware based. It should be the new Broadcom BCM4329 or similar. So unless Apple's been shoving them into the latest iTouches and iPhone 3Gs secretly, there will be no update.

[nick9191]

Why do people want wireless N? It wont make your Internet any faster, it just increases local network speeds. It also will drain a crap load more power than G.

The only advantage is it not throttling the rest of your network to G speeds.

[benlee]

802.11n is still in draft status, and is expected to be finalized only in January 2010.

If you buy an Apple 802.11n product (such as a MacBook or the alleged upcoming 802.11n iPhone), it will likely only run at 802.11n speeds only on Apple's "AirPort Extreme" Wi-Fi router. On routers by other manufacturers, it will likely run at sub-standard speeds. This is not the fault of the other manufacturers, as their routers are arguably much superior to Apple's (for example, AirPort Extreme does not have wired gigabit ports... there's no gigabit LAN ports, and there's no gigabit WAN port). Many people--especially people outside of the US in countries where FTTH is more common and will soon exceed speeds of 100 Mbps, gigabit WAN and LAN ports are highly important).


I don't know where you are getting these ideas. Why wouldn't the 802.11n run at 'N' speeds on other n routers?, besides, "n" runs at a different frequency than b and g.

Also, Apple updated the Airport Extreme with gigabit ports some time ago.

[arn]

Why do people want wireless N? It wont make your Internet any faster, it just increases local network speeds. It also will drain a crap load more power than G.

The only advantage is it not throttling the rest of your network to G speeds.

That's a pretty big advantage if you've got an Apple TV or other networked media.

arn

[BlizzardBomb]

Why do people want wireless N? It wont make your Internet any faster, it just increases local network speeds. It also will drain a crap load more power than G.

The only advantage is it not throttling the rest of your network to G speeds.

The new Broadcom wireless "n" chips actually draw less power and are physically smaller than its predecessors. See Broadcom Press Release (http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=1233460).

[nick9191]

This is not the fault of the other manufacturers, as their routers are arguably much superior to Apple's (for example, AirPort Extreme does not have wired gigabit ports... there's no gigabit LAN ports, and there's no gigabit WAN port).

Airport Extreme and Time Capsule have both Gigabit LAN and WAN

http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/specs.html

[drakeshipway]

sounds yummy

[gan6660]

Does that meen wireless n for the ipod touch too?

[8CoreWhore]

Yeah, but -- can I use it to work on a Findlay sprinkler head? :p

[manu chao]

The only advantage is it not throttling the rest of your network to G speeds.
And that might be an important advantage as wireless speed for non-iPhone devices is what really counts (since the iPhone most likely could not take much advantage of it itself) but for computer to computer (or backup device) connections N makes a noticeable difference.

[Arne]

802.11n is still in draft status, and is expected to be finalized only in January 2010.

If you buy an Apple 802.11n product (such as a MacBook or the alleged upcoming 802.11n iPhone), it will likely only run at 802.11n speeds only on Apple's "AirPort Extreme" Wi-Fi router. On routers by other manufacturers, it will likely run at sub-standard speeds. This is not the fault of the other manufacturers, as their routers are arguably much superior to Apple's (for example, AirPort Extreme does not have wired gigabit ports... there's no gigabit LAN ports, and there's no gigabit WAN port). Many people--especially people outside of the US in countries where FTTH is more common and will soon exceed speeds of 100 Mbps, gigabit WAN and LAN ports are highly important).

it has already been pointed out, that the airport extreme has gigabit ethernet.
also: many manufacturers are already selling "draft-n" devices, using the same specification that apple uses. It has become very unlikely, that the final 802.11n will differ much from the current draft, so todays draft-n devices will most likely work fine at high speeds with the final 802.11n devices.

[nick9191]

That's a pretty big advantage if you've got an Apple TV or other networked media.

arn

I suppose, although I'll just use a regular gigabit port if I want to move around a lot of media. I guess it's handy for streaming HD, which is barely possible over G.

[srl7741]

That's a pretty big advantage if you've got an Apple TV or other networked media.

arn

It really will be and it will also allow all the Apple products in the home to place nice together. It will be a welcomed addition.

[iMacmatician]

Meanwhile, an inadvertent Publish Video (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/upload-video-screen-suggests-video-capabilities-in-next-iphone/) screenshot from the first iPhone 3.0 beta suggests that Apple is incorporating video recording and uploads directly from your iPhone. Some new user interface elements (http://www.tuaw.com/2009/04/05/rumor-iphone-os-3-0-to-include-video-editing-tools/) in the 3.0 beta suggest that you will also be able to edit these videos before uploading. If Apple does indeed provide video recording and publishing, it certainly makes sense to offer some limited editing/clipping ability. Mobile iMovie? I wonder if other iLife apps will be made mobile.

I also wonder whether or not video editing is too intensive for the current iPhone or iPod touch.

[str1f3]

Why do people want wireless N? It wont make your Internet any faster, it just increases local network speeds. It also will drain a crap load more power than G.

The only advantage is it not throttling the rest of your network to G speeds.

Wireless N would give the ability to sync files over wifi. I would love to see that.

What excites me just as much is that the broadcom chip is also capable of receiving and transmitting fm signals which would mean that I would no longer have to buy an fm transmitter for my car! I hope Apple utilizes this feature.

[Kilamite]

I suppose, although I'll just use a regular gigabit port if I want to move around a lot of media. I guess it's handy for streaming HD, which is barely possible over G.

Not true.

Streaming HD over G to the Apple TV works perfectly fine.

[t0mat0]

Mobile iMovie? I wonder if other iLife apps will be made mobile.

I also wonder whether or not video editing is too intensive for the current iPhone or iPod touch.

Makes sense of the the recent iMovie and iLife updates were in part about the iPhone, as said at the time ...

Shake reduction on video, linking with Facebook with photos... Geotagging of photos (and likely videos now). All good stuff. I'd imagine the video editing will be v3iPhone capability, and put down to the lower spec sensor in the current 3G iPhone. That and the bump being rumored about the computational power of the v3 iPhone. How hard is it to splice a video anyhow?
If the upload is to a mobileme account/other partner/iLife/iTunes, then couldn't Apple just include a file saying where the user wants the edits, and keep the original file as it is, but show it as the user wants edited, until it syncs?

[str1f3]

Oh yay...

Even more useless video from useless people to send to Youtube. Hooray for humanity.

iPhone users are easily the most obnoxious bunch out there right now.
are you sure? you sound obnoxious to me right now.

[twoodcc]

bring on 802.11n and video recording! i don't care too much for editing on my phone, but i'll take it!

[t0mat0]

Beyond recording, this is a huge step towards video streaming Kyte/Qik wise.
Citizen journalism might take a boost too.

[talkingfuture]

It seems so long until June so we can find out how many of these rumours are true!

[iMacoo7]

Mobile iMovie? I wonder if other iLife apps will be made mobile.

I also wonder whether or not video editing is too intensive for the current iPhone or iPod touch.
Good point for the mobile iMovie.I just commented in the other thread yesterday about talking with someone who works for Apple mentioning new applications that Apple will be releasing when 3.0 hits (These apps are excluding the recorder application that was demoed).
I was told an instant messaging application and there are supposed to be 2 other apps that I could not get any information on.
All the same, things are getting better and better as the time winds down for WWDC

[Michael CM1]

I don't know where you are getting these ideas. Why wouldn't the 802.11n run at 'N' speeds on other n routers?, besides, "n" runs at a different frequency than b and g.

Also, Apple updated the Airport Extreme with gigabit ports some time ago.

The 802.11n being in draft status, all the little details aren't worked out on interoperability. Think of it as the English spoken in the US vs. the English spoken in the UK. We call those things at McDonald's fries, whereas they call them chips. Figuring that out slows down your mind just slightly. It's not a perfect metaphor, but it gets you there.

Also, the option on my AEBS is to have mixed mode, where you can run anything, at 2.4Ghz or 802.11n native at 5.5Ghz. So N runs at another frequency, but only in native mode. You either need all N nodes or you need one of those new dual-band routers that basically puts out two signals and mushes it all together in the box.

And yes, gigabit has been on Apple's products for a while. I have no clue where the dude was coming from with that. I think the old spaceship AEBS may have had gigabit.

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Depends who "us" is. There will be a segment of iPhone 2G and 3G owners that will moan because that is who they are.

I think people like you are the ones with the attitude problem. Moaning about people moaning is FAR worse than moaning about a legitimate user problem. Maybe you enjoy drinking the kool-aid Apple sells, but some of us couldn't care less about Apple, only their products. We owe no special allegiance to Apple what-so-ever. They are a particularly overly greedy corporate entity run by a megalomaniac who seems to think the end user isn't smart enough to know what's best for him so he'll decide it all for him. Apple's innovation is only matched by their greed and arrogance. I moved to Apple in part because I couldn't stand Bill Gates and his company's greed and arrogance, only to find the exact same thing with Apple, only perhaps worse.

Apple's only saving graces are their more elegant interfaces, Unix core in OS X and the foresight to make a sleek phone platform before anyone else. But if they continue to limit consumer choices for both hardware and software, often without any solid foundation for guidelines or reasons for doing so (e.g. application rejects to 'protect' the consumer from himself such as rejecting the South Park iPhone/Touch app, while hypocritically promoting South Park TV episodes on their own iTunes store) then they will find themselves alienating ever more new customers and driving many switchers right back where they came from. I have few doubts that many of the Apple fanaticists would actually prefer that as having a tiny percentage of the market place actually makes them feel all the more "special" and "elitist" instead of welcoming the software selection and support at local retailers that having a larger market share would bring. But the rest of us who currently prefer OS X to Windows (especially Windows Vista) would much prefer open discussion, availability of 3rd party hardware choices and competition to drive down prices while driving up quality (the true heart of Capitalism as opposed to having a virtual Monopoly on hardware and in the case of the iPhone/Touch, software as well).

In the case of iPhone V3.0, we are finally seeing more of the features that SHOULD have been there in iPhone V1.0 and yet Apple also seems to be limiting (artificially as usual) some of the newer options to newer iPhones only, thus trying to force you upgrade to obtain them and pad their wallets some more. Dropping PPC support in Snow Leopard (despite Quad Core G5s being faster than many current dual core Intels), not allowing video capture on pre-iPhone 3.x devices and charging 30% off the top of 3rd party software (and probably soon hardware as well with the introduction of an iPod that requires a chip to control it that only Apple offers...for a price) are all signs that Apple is all about trying to recycle profits from existing customers by forcing them to capitulate and/or upgrade on Apple's time-frame, not their own needs. Why should they want someone making a tower server out of a $50 PowerMac off e-Bay (plus a few upgrades like Sata and USB 2.0) if they can push them to buy a $2700+ tower instead (by removing support for the PowerMac hardware in the next OS)? That's Apple in a nut shell. "Go back to Windows" is Apple Fanatics in a nut-shell. Neither are helpful or constructive to the actual consumer. What Apple SHOULD be doing is opening things up, offering more selection and dropping prices to ATTRACT more users from the Windows and/or Linux markets, not try to drive them away by doing things like selling them a functionally $800 computer equivalent (for most consumer uses) in a $2300 box or telling them the shiny new iPhone model supports video and attaching pictures in e-mail, but the iPhone they currently own is "not supported" even though there is no technical reason it would/could not use those features, even if at lower frames rates, etc. But don't complain. The fanatics will jump all over you.


802.11n is still in draft status, and is expected to be finalized only in January 2010.

If you buy an Apple 802.11n product (such as a MacBook or the alleged upcoming 802.11n iPhone), it will likely only run at 802.11n speeds only on Apple's "AirPort Extreme" Wi-Fi router. On routers by other manufacturers, it will likely run at sub-standard speeds. This is not the fault of the other manufacturers, as their routers are arguably much superior to Apple's (for example, AirPort Extreme does not have wired gigabit ports... there's no gigabit LAN ports, and there's no gigabit WAN port). Many people--especially people outside of the US in countries where FTTH is more common and will soon exceed speeds of 100 Mbps, gigabit WAN and LAN ports are highly important).


This is a good example of poorly informed consumers misleading others. ALL "Draft N" devices currently work with each other. For example, my Apple TV units talk just fine to my NetGear 802.11N router. In fact, they talk to it faster than to my Airport Express 802.11N! All Draft N routers are upgradeable in firmware to support the final 802.11N standard so there are no such issues as you describe. Besides, waiting around for a half decade for them to 'finalize' 802.11N is worse than watching paint dry. They'll probably have 802.11X (or whatever they'll call it) out before N is finalized. That is no reason to not support it in the mean time. The extended range alone is worth the upgrade.

As others have already pointed out, Apple's Airport Extreme has had gigabit ports for some time now so please stop spreading false information.

That's a pretty big advantage if you've got an Apple TV or other networked media.

arn

I only wish they had included Draft N from the start. I'm running two networks right now so that my iPod Touch doesn't slow my N network down. The iPod Touch is being used as a controller for my Apple TV units in my whole house audio/video system. I don't plan to just throw away my iPod Touch if an 802.11N version comes out, though so it looks like those of us with G hardware of any kind will have to keep two networks around for a LONG time to come. It's a shame these routers don't include a G radio option within them for just that purpose. That might have added $10-20 to their overall cost and would have solved the problem for everyone. I would hope that future standards would either do that or find a way to keep older devices from dragging down the newer standards' speeds. That seems like a purely technical problem that one would think some genius could easily solve.

[Encanto]

I just sold my 16GB 3G white Iphone so I can use that money for the new Iphone. I can't wait!:D

[kugino]

video, not that important...802.11n was a no-brainer. now, give me more access to bluetooth, snappier interface (the last update was a step back in terms of usability, IMO), and better battery life. then i'll pick one up w/out a doubt...

[nick9191]

Not true.

Streaming HD over G to the Apple TV works perfectly fine.
720p to an Apple TV does, although I wasn't specifically referring to an Apple TV nor 720p. 1080p will have a hard time depending on conditions, and full Blu Ray quality 1080p is no chance.

[chrmjenkins]

My understanding is that the new N radio that is being discussed would also be an advantage in power saving. In one of the news discussions we had, people went into detail about the novelty of the new wifi/bluetooth chip and how it would have savings overall in power.

I've also heard this same rumor elsewhere with an explicit mention of a power management module. Still, the combination of this, a 3.2 MP camera with video, faster 3G capability (some are saying up to 20Mbps), this will constitute quite a hardware jump. I'm just holding out hope it will have a cortex A8 core at its heart.

[=MuLti-CeLL=]

64 days and counting...

Come on WWDC!!!

;)

[MacFly123]

This sounds cool, but I'm not going to expect anything too extravagant. It will probably just be really simple like the Voice Memos app as seen below (especially since the UI widgets the guy found are exactly the same as the yellow ones below).

And for those of you whining about power, the article at Apple Insider says that it will be a low-power draft n.

I'm gunna have to find a way to get me this new iPhone with an early upgrade! :D

[djellison]

Wireless "n" will be great to have.

No it wonts. The device itself isn't able to keep up with websites / email attachments etc with the current WiFi. I'd put money on the fact that, yeah, you'll have Steve giving us '2 to 3x faster' crap on a keynote..but in the real world, you would not be able to tell the difference.

[Goona]

No it wonts. The device itself isn't able to keep up with websites / email attachments etc with the current WiFi. I'd put money on the fact that, yeah, you'll have Steve giving us '2 to 3x faster' crap on a keynote..but in the real world, you would not be able to tell the difference.

LOL, so I guess they shouldn't include it, so much for technological advancement.

[str1f3]

No it wonts. The device itself isn't able to keep up with websites / email attachments etc with the current WiFi. I'd put money on the fact that, yeah, you'll have Steve giving us '2 to 3x faster' crap on a keynote..but in the real world, you would not be able to tell the difference.

it's been known that apple has "toned down" the speed of wifi for whatever reason. there has also been rumors that apple is going to let go of that restriction in hardware or os 3.0. I'm sure competition with the pre and android will have something to do with that.

[genmic]

The new iPhone could not come soon enough. I still need to upgrade my original as the 3G was a big disappointment :(

I hope they get ride of that plastic casing and come out with something sleek looking again.

[Kilamite]

720p to an Apple TV does, although I wasn't specifically referring to an Apple TV nor 720p. 1080p will have a hard time depending on conditions, and full Blu Ray quality 1080p is no chance.

I don't see your point then..? What device is there that streams 1080p to a box that you can hook up to your tele that you are using to say that (other than PS3 which plays Blu-Ray anyway), "streaming HD is barely possible on G".

[napabar]

In the case of iPhone V3.0, we are finally seeing more of the features that SHOULD have been there in iPhone V1.0 and yet Apple also seems to be limiting (artificially as usual) some of the newer options to newer iPhones only, thus trying to force you upgrade to obtain them and pad their wallets some more. Dropping PPC support in Snow Leopard (despite Quad Core G5s being faster than many current dual core Intels), not allowing video capture on pre-iPhone 3.x devices and charging 30% off the top of 3rd party software (and probably soon hardware as well with the introduction of an iPod that requires a chip to control it that only Apple offers...for a price) are all signs that Apple is all about trying to recycle profits from existing customers by forcing them to capitulate and/or upgrade on Apple's time-frame, not their own needs.



Dropping PPC support is more about getting a slimmer, more efficient OS for the future. Why waste time with an architecture that is no longer produced by Apple? 10.5 ran on PPC Macs, and came out a year after the last PPC Mac was made. By the time 10.6 ships, it will be 3 years. 10.5 is bloated with twice the code to support both architectures. 10.6 will just be the beginning of "clearing out the junk". I fully expect future versions to require a 64-bit Intel chip, drop Rosetta, and eventually Carbon. This all won't happen in 10.7, but it'll be phased in. And there will be people that complain, like some did with loosing Classic, but times move fast in Tech.

Charging 30% to handle storage, advertising, and credit card transactions is a steal. Apple allows free apps. If they required paid apps only, you might have a little bit more of an argument, but not much of one.

[NewSc2]

I think people like you are the ones with the attitude problem. Moaning about people moaning is FAR worse than moaning about a legitimate user problem. Maybe you enjoy drinking the kool-aid Apple sells, but some of us couldn't care less about Apple, only their products. We owe no special allegiance to Apple what-so-ever. They are a particularly overly greedy corporate entity run by a megalomaniac who seems to think the end user isn't smart enough to know what's best for him so he'll decide it all for him. Apple's innovation is only matched by their greed and arrogance. I moved to Apple in part because I couldn't stand Bill Gates and his company's greed and arrogance, only to find the exact same thing with Apple, only perhaps worse.

In the case of iPhone V3.0, we are finally seeing more of the features that SHOULD have been there in iPhone V1.0 and yet Apple also seems to be limiting (artificially as usual) some of the newer options to newer iPhones only, thus trying to force you upgrade to obtain them and pad their wallets some more.

I completely disagree with your point. I bought the iPhone 2G when it first came out, and did not expect an App store, useful free software, large websites (like ESPN) to support the iPhone interface, etc.

Apple has done a lot of things to make their first gen iPhone even more than I could've ever hoped for. They never sold it as a video recording device, or a device that runs on 802.11n, and I knew that when it came out. The iPhone is not the be-all, end-all phone for all eternity, and I did expect it to suck in certain ways (I've been proved wrong in most cases). Anything Apple gives extra that's unadvertised is icing on the cake.

If you want a phone that can download files off the internet and edit Office documents, and aren't happy that the iPhone can't -- well, maybe you should seriously weigh the pros and cons between the iPhone's streamlined OS and a Blackberry. That's what you're supposed to consider.

It seems like you're the kind of person that needs to stop drinking the Apple Kool-Aid, and feel like you're being pressured by Apple to upgrade.

Yes, the 3G iPhone is faster, and has GPS, but it never really bothered me. Unless something awe-inspiring is on the upcoming iPhone, I'll probably continue to stick with my OG version (I'll admit USB tethering and 3G v2 is tempting... but 802.11n and video -- couldn't care less).

[Fraghax]

Not true.

Streaming HD over G to the Apple TV works perfectly fine.

I agree. HD video over G works fine. Nice HDMI cables transfer 10.2mb/s.

[Cravendale]

Really suprised and pleased to see even more of these improvements/features.

Whether or not they should already be implemented into the iPhone is another matter all together...

[Stuart in Oz]

Really enjoying these news leaks. On iPhone Day One I thought to myself that the second or third generation would probably be the sweet spot - all the little issues fixed and (probably) the price a bit more reasonable.

It seems my 2 year wait hasn't been in vain!

Well, except I spent them using a Treo 750... :rolleyes:

[queshy]

Hmm, I can see Apple, in the future, slowly moving "iLife"-functionality to the iPhone. It will never be as sophisticated on such a small screen, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got "photobooth effects", simple picture editing (resizing because the integrated 3 MP camera will make photos too large to e-mail over 3G...). Maybe we'll even see "iWork for iPhone".

[neil1980]

I'm not actually looking forward to the new iPhone that much tbh.

All the things I've heard so far (slightly higher MP camera and wireless n) haven't interested me half as much as the whole 3.0 update has.

I dare say a steve jobs keynote on the new iPhone will make me NEEEED it but so far I'm not all that impressed unless they add some big feature thats not been talked about in 3.0 or rumored to be included so far in the update.

[ipoppy]

please, please; bring the ichat av along:D

[BTW]

Oh my Jihad! That will be awesome. If they give the camera high enough MP, auto-focus, and a light then the iPhone could replace some low-end video cameras. :cool:

[Powerbooky]

802.11n would be great, only if that is on 5 GHz too.
Plus... 64GB of flash-memory and I'm considering buying one this year.

Even sooner, if a fully functional TomTom app becomes available too.
:rolleyes:

[jayminer]

Why do people want wireless N? It wont make your Internet any faster, it just increases local network speeds. It also will drain a crap load more power than G.

The only advantage is it not throttling the rest of your network to G speeds.

Well, there are those of us that have 100Mbit internet...

[iPhoneNYC]

I have to imagine that this will all be released the end of June when those millions of first gen contracts expire...

[Airforcekid]

Video editing maybe adding text etc?

[sflocal]

Why do people want wireless N? It wont make your Internet any faster, it just increases local network speeds. It also will drain a crap load more power than G.

The only advantage is it not throttling the rest of your network to G speeds.

Think about it. You're focusing strictly with consumers. Look to the enterprise. If you're a doctor in a hospital and need to access patient records, photos, content, whatever... don't you think having that extra speed boost is better in the long run?

Realistically, most people won't see the advantages of the N-spec because their internet connection won't ever see that speed. But in the enterprise, it will be a boon for professionals in medical, financials, etc. that have access to fiber Internet connections and real LAN apps. The route Apple is taking with this, if properly implemented, could make really make waves.

[Airforcekid]

I'm not actually looking forward to the new iPhone that much tbh.

All the things I've heard so far (slightly higher MP camera and wireless n) haven't interested me half as much as the whole 3.0 update has.

I dare say a steve jobs keynote on the new iPhone will make me NEEEED it but so far I'm not all that impressed unless they add some big feature thats not been talked about in 3.0 or rumored to be included so far in the update.

I agree they need something to really put it ahead not just barley.

[Jayomat]

only question: how long will it take to hack the 3.0 software.... :rolleyes: if we assume they aren't already up to it ;)

[mikejd1]

I have to imagine that this will all be released the end of June when those millions of first gen contracts expire...i'm curious how AT&T is going to do this. I am confused, every iphone 3G buyer bought the 3G in July last year, which means even if the new iphone is released in June/July that leaves all 3g customers with 1 year left on there contract. This is millions of people who upgraded to 3g. How is this going to work for us in a contract, because essentially a "qualified" upgrade would not include ALL 3G buyers, correct?

[iMacoo7]

Mobile iMovie? I wonder if other iLife apps will be made mobile.

I also wonder whether or not video editing is too intensive for the current iPhone or iPod touch.

I totally agree with you on this. I was told there are going to be a few new Apple applications (Besides the recorder application) one application that was mentioned was a chatting application.
it's been known that apple has "toned down" the speed of wifi for whatever reason. there has also been rumors that apple is going to let go of that restriction in hardware or os 3.0. I'm sure competition with the pre and android will have something to do with that.

Where is the link to this rumor you are referring to about Apple has toned down wifi as well as the statement of Apple letting go of the wifi restriction in a hardware refresh or OS 3.0......

[michael.lauden]

only question: how long will it take to hack the 3.0 software.... :rolleyes: if we assume they aren't already up to it ;)

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=dev+team+3.0+iPhone&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

they are

[techfreak85]

at macworld 2007, didnt steve say that the iphone had 802.11n?
im pretty sure. downloaded the keynote now.

[iMacoo7]

i'm curious how AT&T is going to do this. I am confused, every iphone 3G buyer bought the 3G in July last year, which means even if the new iphone is released in June/July that leaves all 3g customers with 1 year left on there contract. This is millions of people who upgraded to 3g. How is this going to work for us in a contract, because essentially a "qualified" upgrade would not include ALL 3G buyers, correct?
This is how the upgrade process works . I purchased mine in July last year(Camped out in front of the ATT store) renewed for another 2 years.
If you call ATT right now , you should have been eligible for an upgrade on any phone since the end of February/March of this year.
The upgrade stipulation for the iPhone is that if you are eligible to update/upgrade all you have to do is sign a new 2 year contract and you are good to go.
It basically depends when the person of the 3G iPhone purchased it. Hope that helps

[Malfoy]

better camera and n might tempt be back. More memory doesn't mean anything to me since I don't use more than 3 or 4 gbs of my 16 gigs :(

[iMacoo7]

better camera and n might tempt be back. More memory doesn't mean anything to me since I don't use more than 3 or 4 gbs of my 16 gigs :(

I use roughly 4 1/2 of my 16 GBs..
Reason why? The more applications & music loaded. The longer the iphone takes to boot up.
When the iPhone hits 8GB of space available, it takes it almost 2 - 3 minutes to boot up.....

[Chupa Chupa]

I think people like you are the ones with the attitude problem. Moaning about people moaning is FAR worse than moaning about a legitimate user problem. Maybe you enjoy drinking the kool-aid Apple sells, but some of us couldn't care less about Apple, only their products. We owe no special allegiance to Apple what-so-ever. They are a particularly overly greedy corporate entity run by a megalomaniac who seems to think the end user isn't smart enough to know what's best for him so he'll decide it all for him. Apple's innovation is only matched by their greed and arrogance. I moved to Apple in part because I couldn't stand Bill Gates and his company's greed and arrogance, only to find the exact same thing with Apple, only perhaps worse.


Heh. I think my bullet hit close to your bone. Hey, look, if you are going to pontificate and pretend you are intellectual at least use paragraphs.

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Dropping PPC support is more about getting a slimmer, more efficient OS for the future. Why waste time with an architecture that is no longer produced by Apple?


I keep hearing this argument, but it's based on false/ignorant ideas. The current developer kit gives you PPC (thus Universal) code for FREE. It requires no EFFORT on the developer's part if they're using Apple's software to support PPC. So please explain to me how you figure that you are going to get a more efficient OS for the future. Once installed, the code is separate. There is no PPC OS code on your Intel Mac. So how would removing something that isn't there reduce bloat? Where is the bloat supposed to be at?

Like it or not, Apple has a responsibility to support the platforms they create. They have an open source base that I'm sure more than a few users would be glad to keep supporting the PPC core code for them. People expect more than 3 years out of a professional level machine like a Quad-G5 so "wasting" resources has a purpose. It's called support. Or do you think when Apple Care runs out after 3 years it's time to buy a new computer?

The original iPhone will be over two years old when 3.0 comes out. Would you care if 3.0 stopped supporting the original 1st generation iPhone or iPod touch based on some "bloat" idea that having to support the older hardware somehow affects your newer iPhone? Does the ARM CPU version of OS X (iPhone/Touch) somehow 'bloat' your Intel Mac also? :rolleyes:



I fully expect future versions to require a 64-bit Intel chip, drop Rosetta, and eventually Carbon. This all won't happen in 10.7, but it'll be phased in. And there will be people that complain, like some did with loosing Classic, but times move fast in Tech.


Dropping carbon has NOTHING to do with dropping PPC. PPC machines will run Cocoa apps just fine. The G5 CPU *IS* 64-bit so you have no point to make there either. Dropping Rosetta has NO EFFECT on PPC machines (that software runs natively), but only hurts Intel machines by reducing the amount of software you can run on them. In effect, Rosetta is simply an optional emulator that is activated to run older software. Removing is a lose/lose situation for everyone involved. And if you don't run older software, it's never activated. There is no bloat here either. Dropping it will simply reduce your software base. For example, Office 2004 on Rosetta is similar in speed to Office 2008 natively on Intel. But dropping Rosetta would FORCE you to buy Office 2008 if you still need Office because Office 2004 would simply no longer run. I'm sure Microsoft would LOVE that 'feature' for Snow Leopard. :D


Charging 30% to handle storage, advertising, and credit card transactions is a steal. Apple allows free apps. If they required paid apps only, you might have a little bit more of an argument, but not much of one.

30% is definitely a "STEAL" IMO but I'm afraid it's Apple that is doing the "theft". Given there is no alternative store for developers to sell their apps in, their actions are bordering on racketeering, IMO. Why should "small" computers be exempt from free-market rules and Capitalistic principles? Apple's every move is to thwart competition instead of competing against its rivals. If their products and services really are the best, why don't they simply compete instead of trying to thwart/sue their would-be competitors and milk their current user base all the time?

[TheOrioles33]

Its funny how people have criticized the iPhone for its lack of simple features that “all other phones have”. Now that a lot of those missing features are becoming a reality those same people are saying “welcome to 2004”. The iPhone hasn’t even been around 2 years and look how far its come and look how far it’s going to go. I think within the next couple years we will be telling those same douches “welcome to 2020!”.

[bobbleheadbob]

Can't wait for June, when I'm hoping this will be released.

Has there been any information or speculation yet on when/whether existing iPhone will be eligible to upgrade? I got the first gen on opening day in 2007 and upgraded to the 3G last year.

[megfilmworks]

30% is definitely a "STEAL" IMO but I'm afraid it's Apple that is doing the "theft".
Actually 50/50 splits are common between intellectual property owners and their distributors.
Can't see how 30% is a problem when Apple developed the platform, developed the store, maintained the store and gives a developer a new place to sell one's ideas.
Risk must be rewarded by profit if is successful,
if not who will do research and take the risk?

[elcid]

N wireless and video? I'll pass.

[Trajectory]

Depends who "us" is. There will be a segment of iPhone 2G and 3G owners that will moan because that is who they are.

iPhone users are easily the most obnoxious bunch out there right now.

And I suppose you two are exempt from these rude characterizations?

[eff pc]

I have to imagine that this will all be released the end of June when those millions of first gen contracts expire...

I got my first gen iPhone in December the year it came out so that means my contract doesn't expire until this December coming up but online it says my line is eligible for upgrade so I'm assuming I can get the subsidized price. I will be waiting in line for the new iPhone this summer because my first gen is starting to look beat up. Hopefully they go back to the metal back because this thing is a brick. I've dropped it so many times on hard surfaces and it's still kickin (you can barely tell but it's just time for a new one)

[Mjmar]

The new iPhone is sounding more and more compelling everyday! At first I told myself that my 1st gen. is fine, but now I'm seriously considering upgrading after it comes out.

[Sehnsucht]

It's going to be a mobile version of FCP for the iPhone. :D

[powers74]

I agree they need something to really put it ahead not just barley.


Mmmmlike a metal body!

[Jamo12]

Just asking... Would it be possible to make the backing of the iPhone into an antenna? Like a radio antenna is made of some type of metal, so couldn't you use the metal casing of the iPhone as an antenna?

[powers74]

Just asking... Would it be possible to make the backing of the iPhone into an antenna? Like a radio antenna is made of some type of metal, so couldn't you use the metal casing of the iPhone as an antenna?


I have wondered that myself, and having never asked, assumed there is a very good engineering reason as to why this is not a solution. That said, I remember when all the engineers around here were absolutely positive it was impossible to machine a laptop case out of a solid brick of aluminum, so take the answers you get, with, well... who knows, we might get a good answer. They're out there.

[chrmjenkins]

Just asking... Would it be possible to make the backing of the iPhone into an antenna? Like a radio antenna is made of some type of metal, so couldn't you use the metal casing of the iPhone as an antenna?

No. The short answer is that antennas are long and skinny for a reason. The long answer includes a lot of engineering, device safety, and material concerns.

[DELLsFan]

Cool. Too bad I just bought my iPhone 3G and they aren't likely to retro-fit the phone with N-hardware. :p

[powers74]

No. The short answer is that antennas are long and skinny for a reason. The long answer includes a lot of engineering, device safety, and material concerns.


OK. How about this; would it be possible to have a metal back, with a black plastic :apple: in place of the etched on - only a bit bigger - and have the antenna behind it for reception?

[chrmjenkins]

OK. How about this; would it be possible to have a metal back, with a black plastic :apple: in place of the etched on - only a bit bigger - and have the antenna behind it for reception?

Yes, but the reception wouldn't be very good. The direction of the signal from the cell tower depends entirely on where you are in relation to that tower. For every possible line of sight the tower has through the plastic apple, there are a hundred paths that involve the signal propagating through the metal backing.

If you notice, the entire bottom part of the first gen was not metal, but it still suffers from worse reception than the 3G.

[NewSc2]

The original iPhone will be over two years old when 3.0 comes out. Would you care if 3.0 stopped supporting the original 1st generation iPhone or iPod touch based on some "bloat" idea that having to support the older hardware somehow affects your newer iPhone? Does the ARM CPU version of OS X (iPhone/Touch) somehow 'bloat' your Intel Mac also? :rolleyes:


My point remains -- Apple is giving extra free updates to a 2-year-old product, increasing its advertised capabilities. I didn't buy an iPhone to support iPhone OS 3.0, I didn't buy an iPhone to get video recording. I don't see how you can complain about something that they never advertised in the first place.

[iMacmatician]

Hmm, I can see Apple, in the future, slowly moving "iLife"-functionality to the iPhone. It will never be as sophisticated on such a small screen, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got "photobooth effects", simple picture editing (resizing because the integrated 3 MP camera will make photos too large to e-mail over 3G...). Maybe we'll even see "iWork for iPhone".I thought they'd add iLife mobile and iWork mobile only to the rumored mini-tablet device (as a key distinguishing point), but it looks like some iLife features are likely to come to the regular iPhone (and iPod touch).

Although I wouldn't be surprised if the mini-tablet's versions of iLife/iWork are more feature-packed than the iPhone's.

[8CoreWhore]

I agree. HD video over G works fine. Nice HDMI cables transfer 10.2mb/s.

We know you meant 10.2GB/s not mb/s. :p

[powers74]

Yes, but the reception wouldn't be very good. The direction of the signal from the cell tower depends entirely on where you are in relation to that tower. For every possible line of sight the tower has through the plastic apple, there are a hundred paths that involve the signal propagating through the metal backing.

If you notice, the entire bottom part of the first gen was not metal, but it still suffers from worse reception than the 3G.


Damn.

[months]

Haha I love how people with the 3Gs are trying to convince themselves that this next generation iPhone won't be that good and make themselves feel better.

[Rootman]

Hope they put a standard tripod mount on it.

[designgeek]

These features sound great. I'd be happy with just N and the ability to wirelessly sync as elves keep stealing my iPod cable. Most of the reason I don't have an iPhone is the cost of the monthly plan and the fact that it's really not that great as a phone. My Samsung that is now free through TMobile has never dropped a call and does MMS. I have an iPod Touch for everything else. I'm stoked for the next one, maybe it'll persuade me to go for it.

[AussieMike]

Damn.


...or....could they not build it into / around the edge of the phone such that it sits behind a rubber/silicone bead (or seal)? This would make it quite likely that you would always be able to maintain a decent line of sight signal to a tower regardless of the handset orientation PLUS you get to have a "sexy back" ;)

[Digitalclips]

Not true.

Streaming HD over G to the Apple TV works perfectly fine.

Do you mean HD 1280 x 720 24 / 25 fps or 960 x 540 30 fps? Just curious, I had to split into two networks (.11g for iPhones and iBook and .11n for ATV and MacBooks) so ATV had .11n to get HD at 720p to work smoothly.

[bytethese]

802.11n is still in draft status, and is expected to be finalized only in January 2010.

If you buy an Apple 802.11n product (such as a MacBook or the alleged upcoming 802.11n iPhone), it will likely only run at 802.11n speeds only on Apple's "AirPort Extreme" Wi-Fi router. On routers by other manufacturers, it will likely run at sub-standard speeds. This is not the fault of the other manufacturers, as their routers are arguably much superior to Apple's (for example, AirPort Extreme does not have wired gigabit ports... there's no gigabit LAN ports, and there's no gigabit WAN port). Many people--especially people outside of the US in countries where FTTH is more common and will soon exceed speeds of 100 Mbps, gigabit WAN and LAN ports are highly important).

Airport Extreme has gigabit LAN and WAN ports:
http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/specs.html

While the 802.11n is still technically not ratified, any changes will be small that can be handled with a firmware upgrade and should not make a router incompatible. :)

[powers74]

...or....could they not build it into / around the edge of the phone such that it sits behind a rubber/silicone bead (or seal)? This would make it quite likely that you would always be able to maintain a decent line of sight signal to a tower regardless of the handset orientation PLUS you get to have a "sexy back" ;)



Boom!

[chrmjenkins]

...or....could they not build it into / around the edge of the phone such that it sits behind a rubber/silicone bead (or seal)? This would make it quite likely that you would always be able to maintain a decent line of sight signal to a tower regardless of the handset orientation PLUS you get to have a "sexy back" ;)

That wouldn't really work as you've described it. Line of sight would still be an issue if the back of the phone is facing the tower.

[napabar]

I keep hearing this argument, but it's based on false/ignorant ideas. The current developer kit gives you PPC (thus Universal) code for FREE. It requires no EFFORT on the developer's part if they're using Apple's software to support PPC. So please explain to me how you figure that you are going to get a more efficient OS for the future. Once installed, the code is separate. There is no PPC OS code on your Intel Mac. So how would removing something that isn't there reduce bloat? Where is the bloat supposed to be at?

Like it or not, Apple has a responsibility to support the platforms they create. They have an open source base that I'm sure more than a few users would be glad to keep supporting the PPC core code for them. People expect more than 3 years out of a professional level machine like a Quad-G5 so "wasting" resources has a purpose. It's called support. Or do you think when Apple Care runs out after 3 years it's time to buy a new computer?

The original iPhone will be over two years old when 3.0 comes out. Would you care if 3.0 stopped supporting the original 1st generation iPhone or iPod touch based on some "bloat" idea that having to support the older hardware somehow affects your newer iPhone? Does the ARM CPU version of OS X (iPhone/Touch) somehow 'bloat' your Intel Mac also? :rolleyes:




Dropping carbon has NOTHING to do with dropping PPC. PPC machines will run Cocoa apps just fine. The G5 CPU *IS* 64-bit so you have no point to make there either. Dropping Rosetta has NO EFFECT on PPC machines (that software runs natively), but only hurts Intel machines by reducing the amount of software you can run on them. In effect, Rosetta is simply an optional emulator that is activated to run older software. Removing is a lose/lose situation for everyone involved. And if you don't run older software, it's never activated. There is no bloat here either. Dropping it will simply reduce your software base. For example, Office 2004 on Rosetta is similar in speed to Office 2008 natively on Intel. But dropping Rosetta would FORCE you to buy Office 2008 if you still need Office because Office 2004 would simply no longer run. I'm sure Microsoft would LOVE that 'feature' for Snow Leopard. :D



30% is definitely a "STEAL" IMO but I'm afraid it's Apple that is doing the "theft". Given there is no alternative store for developers to sell their apps in, their actions are bordering on racketeering, IMO. Why should "small" computers be exempt from free-market rules and Capitalistic principles? Apple's every move is to thwart competition instead of competing against its rivals. If their products and services really are the best, why don't they simply compete instead of trying to thwart/sue their would-be competitors and milk their current user base all the time?

There is no PPC code on my Intel Mac??? Wow dude, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Leopard is entirely Universal, from the Finder to the calculator. That means the whole OS is nearly twice as big as it needs to be to run on one architecture. The "Bloat" I referred to is the size of the OS.

As for how long Apple needs to support an architecture after they no longer make the product, well, the days of the Mac Plus are over. You're not going to get 11 years of OS upgrades anymore. Besides, running 7.5 on a 68000 with a RAM limit of 4 megs was just cruelty anyway. ;)

I never said dropping Carbon had anything to do with dropping PPC support. Re-read my post. I merely predicted that Apple will eventually phase out Rosetta, 32-bit chips, and Carbon.

Apple will achieve their goals in the next 5 years, I would guess, to have the Mac OS (Note: I said Mac OS) be purely 64-bit, Intel, with no legacy support. Yes Virginia, Rosetta and Carbon are now legacy support. Look for Apple to release iTunes and their remaining Carbon apps as Cocoa within the next year. They already depreciated Carbon by not extending it to 64 bit API's. That's why Microsoft, Adobe, and Quark are moving to Cocoa in their next major releases.

The original iPhone, the iPhone 3G, and the next model are all based on ARM. There is no architecture change there, so your argument doesn't hold any water.

Other posters have already rebuffed your 30% argument, so I'll let that be.

[SleepyHead157]

I'm excited. These will give the iPhone some much needed updates and will keep competitors looking on the edge, especially the Palm pre

[MagnusVonMagnum]

There is no PPC code on my Intel Mac??? Wow dude, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Leopard is entirely Universal, from the Finder to the calculator. That means the whole OS is nearly twice as big as it needs to be to run on one architecture. The "Bloat" I referred to is the size of the OS.

By "PPC OS Code," I was referring to the fact that Leopard does not run or use any PPC code in the OS on an Intel machine. Leopard is 100% Intel on an Intel machine. Rosetta is only there to run older PPC only applications, not the OS. Thus, keeping PPC support does not slow down your machine. Your post implied that PPC code is somehow making your computer run slower when you said that Snow Leopard will make it more "efficient" by ditching PPC support. It might get a little "slimmer" in terms of no more universal binaries, but that won't make it more efficient. Hard drive space is plentiful and dirt cheap right now. Most applications are not going to be half their size solely due to removing PPC binaries from what I've read (e.g. the mail app is supposedly much smaller, but most of those savings come from a switch to resolution independent vector images and sharing other resources, not just dropping the PPC code). Besides, my PPC machine has to carry the Intel binary code that it doesn't use, but why should that bother me? I got 1.5TB drives for a little bit more than $100 each and the Intel code doesn't run so it's impact is negligible.


As for how long Apple needs to support an architecture after they no longer make the product, well, the days of the Mac Plus are over. You're not going to get 11 years of OS upgrades anymore. Besides, running 7.5 on a 68000 with a RAM limit of 4 megs was just cruelty anyway. ;)


Is getting 5-6 years support out of a computer asking too much? (especially an overpriced Mac that used to have a reputation of lasting longer than a PC) Three is a bit short. If they're going to only support hardware for three years, they might as well start leasing computers instead of selling them. Given Apple's "bloated" prices, it might actually help. The trouble is no one would want to buy the used computer after three years since Apple won't support it. I don't need or want the new speedy features of Snow Leopard for my PowerMac server, but I don't like the idea of basic 3rd party applications no longer running their latest versions, etc. simply because Apple ditched the code.

Mac users know full well that many applications don't bother supporting older operating systems and that will be doubly so for the dropping of an entire architecture. My PowerMac, despite its usefulness as a whole house AV server and other uses is pretty old. But a 3-year old Quad Core G5 being ditched in the OS? That's pitiful. The worst part is that Apple advertises Snow Leopard as a "minor" upgrade to fix bugs and make things more efficient. There's nothing minor about ditching support for over 30% (possibly as much as 50%) of all Macs, IMO.

If this 3 year trend continues on to other Apple products such as the 1st Generation iPhone and iPod Touch, there's going to be some unhappy people out there.

[AAPLaday]

Surely if they do offer video editing then photo editing will be included too ala iPhoto?

[iMeanIt]

What we could really use would be Final Cut Studio and Final Cut Server for the iPhone. That way all my colleagues and I can do collaborative video editing and motion-graphics development while we're driving around town! Our thumbs will probably get sore – but it’ll be worth it!

[koobcamuk]

Haha I love how people with the 3Gs are trying to convince themselves that this next generation iPhone won't be that good and make themselves feel better.

I have a 3G and I hope this new iPhone is a cracker.

Unlike most people though, I want more RAM and a faster processor. I have an SLR so I am not that fussed about the camera.

[ewealth]

I have to wait till the next babe comes online-soon!

This new phone will really allow mac folk to dance and shout
NO more stingy camera firepower and much more sync
Plus a new-----I told you so a new community feature for us mac lovers-FREE

Pricing is still premium-

Thats all I know folks-not long

Chris (gal friend lives in ): )!!
;)

[diamond.g]

I agree. HD video over G works fine. Nice HDMI cables transfer 10.2mb/s.

We know you meant 10.2GB/s not mb/s. :p

Isn't it 10.2 gb/s and not 10.2 GB/s?

[Razeus]

I'm so glad I'm waiting to pick up iPhone 3.0. I will continue to use my first gen iPhone until then. I may have to go stand in line for this release.

802.11n
3MP Camera (hopefully with better sensors)
Video recording (which means better processors inside)
OS 3.0 update

This is going to own everything else on the market.

Just annouce 32GB and my Visa belongs to Apple.

[jholzner]

I'm so glad I'm waiting to pick up iPhone 3.0. I will continue to use my first gen iPhone until then. I may have to go stand in line for this release.

802.11n
3MP Camera (hopefully with better sensors)
Video recording (which means better processors inside)
OS 3.0 update

This is going to own everything else on the market.

Just annouce 32GB and my Visa belongs to Apple.

I'm in the same boat. My first get will be 1.5 years old when the new OS and hopefully phone come out. I bought it on January 14th, 2008. It's been a great phone but I can't wait for the new one. On top of that, Champaign, IL (where I live) is set to go 3G (finally!) this year so I'll be ready to leave Edge behind.

[Razeus]

I'm in the same boat. My first get will be 1.5 years old when the new OS and hopefully phone come out. I bought it on January 14th, 2008. It's been a great phone but I can't wait for the new one. On top of that, Champaign, IL (where I live) is set to go 3G (finally!) this year so I'll be ready to leave Edge behind.

It's been a long wait. I almost slipped a few times to get the 3G, but I held out. I was strong.

[simulacra]

Couldn't those editing tools be from the coming audio recroding app?

[iParis]

Third generation iPod touch here I come! XD

[Donz0r]

I'm in the same boat. My first get will be 1.5 years old when the new OS and hopefully phone come out. I bought it on January 14th, 2008. It's been a great phone but I can't wait for the new one. On top of that, Champaign, IL (where I live) is set to go 3G (finally!) this year so I'll be ready to leave Edge behind.

Tell me about it, I have the 3G but due to the lack of 3G in champaign I'm stuck using wifi (which is omnipresent in university buildings anyway so it doesn't really bother me) Where did you hear that we'd be getting 3G this year? I heard 2010

[queshy]

I thought they'd add iLife mobile and iWork mobile only to the rumored mini-tablet device (as a key distinguishing point), but it looks like some iLife features are likely to come to the regular iPhone (and iPod touch).

Although I wouldn't be surprised if the mini-tablet's versions of iLife/iWork are more feature-packed than the iPhone's.

I think Apple tends to sort of go either full featured (ie iLife 09 for Mac) or "stripped down" i.e. iCal for iPhone is not the same as iCal for mac. I think for iLife, the same thing will be true. Any mini tablet they release (if they do release one) will have EVERYTHING. This of course being my opinion only...

[t0mat0]

Where was the word on iTunes, or iLife on the 10.6 specs? Versus Quicktime, etc. If iLife is a March once a year cycle, it doesn't quite sit right, does it?
Would they do a .x update, and add features for those with the new iPhone, on iLife?