Next-Generation iPhone Theoretically Capable of FM Radio Reception and Transmission?

[MacRumors]

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Over the weekend, hints of several additional features (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/05/next-gen-iphone-802-11n-and-video-editing/) for the next-generation iPhone were revealed. Among them was the discovery that text strings in the iPhone OS 3.0 software reference a new Broadcom wireless chip, BCM4329, which supports 802.11n wireless connectivity. In digging through the specs for the chip, 9 to 5 Mac has discovered (http://www.9to5mac.com/broadcom-BCM4329-iphone-802.11n-FM) that is also supports both reception and transmission of FM radio signals.But they neglected to mention that it also adds the ability to receive and send (the previous model could only receive) information through FM radio signals which theoretically could be used to broadcast sound into car stereos..without external adapters. It could also be used to pick up FM radio music, news and sports broadcasts on their iPhones and even, in August, on iPods. Currently the FM reciever is only used to pick up communications from the Nike+ peripheral.The finding, however, doesn't mean that Apple will necessarily enable these features in the new iPhone. Apple has certainly been known not to enable all features their hardware is capable of, and FM reception/transmission is one that have shown no interest in supporting in the past.


Article Link: Next-Generation iPhone Theoretically Capable of FM Radio Reception and Transmission? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/06/next-generation-iphone-to-possibly-offer-fm-radio-reception-and-transmission/)

[beardboy]

Cool :)

Sounds like the upcoming iPhone is going to be very good indeed.

[Schizoid]

Is there anything the new iPhone hasn't got?!

[Asar]

this should be interesting ;)

[igazza]

Is there anything the new iPhone hasn't got?!

64GB of storage

[BlackLight]

definitely gonna wait now to get one:apple:

[Grimace]

Local live podcast through sending FM frequencies? :)

[intel]

AM is dead

[MongoTheGeek]

It could also be used to locate where you are without GPS. It could also be used for time sync.

[McShizzel]

This new iPhone is looking better and better each day.

Of course we'll see how many of these things will actually be incorporated into the phone.

[intel]

FM is the new hip thing, it's really zippy. To out do 11n twenty fold

[i.mac]

iphone... the new transistor radio :)

I remember folks making a big fuzz about portable transistor radios. I was a child, so I couldn't care less. My father eventually got one which we used to take to the beach.

[Spanky Deluxe]

Is there anything the new iPhone hasn't got?!

IMO what they really need to add is a compass. Google Maps would be a hell of a lot more useful if after locating myself with GPS, I could tell which direction I'm facing. If you're in an area you don't know and there aren't any street signs then its easy to walk in the wrong direction for a minute or so until you can see that you're gps dot is going the wrong way.

[intel]

FM is used to teleport a signal from one point to another without you seeing or noticing it

[JMax1]

that would be great! My power went out many times last week from those crazy storms. An FM receiver would be great to listen to while no power and waiting to hear if there are any twisters headed my way (didn't realize I didn't have a battery powered radio in the house!)

Add that while having the flashlight app and we're all set!

[emotion]

Given most free phones have FM, this isn't that surprising.

However, I don't believe Apple will use the functionality. It doesn't follow their use model for the iPhone.

[i.mac]

Is there anything the new iPhone hasn't got?!

- built in compiler
- terminal to do geeky stuff
- and a cold fusion antigravity engine...

[Goona]

Apple will probably disable, I'm sure they could have added FM to ipods years ago, but to this age we still don't have them. Anyone believing they will add them to the iphone must not know Apple or must be living in la la land.

[H$R]

Yeah I've seen that too yesterday when I was reading the broadcom specs. I didn't really thought much because the iPhone already has FM receiver.
I would love to have the inbuilt radio transmission to cars.

[Stately]

Funny, I was wondering why it wasn't incorporated into the iphone initially. Well, I'm glad it will have it now. This iphone is going to be phenomenal. But I will not budge again until Apple affiliates itself with a company other than AT&T. Economy or not, AT&T are rip off artists. :cool:

[intel]

- built in compiler
- terminal to do geeky stuff
- and a cold fusion antigravity engine...

The chick version can also have a taser and pepper spray built in.

[Grimwall]

Given most free phones have FM, this isn't that surprising.

However, I don't believe Apple will use the functionality. It doesn't follow their use model for the iPhone.

I agree; it is very probable that it won't be used by Apple, but if the functionality is incorporated into the device, there will be a Jailbreak app that uses it and turns it into a radio receiver.

[OllyW]

Is there anything the new iPhone hasn't got?!

FireWire and Blu-ray. :D

[illegallydead]

Two things:

1) I kind of doubt Apple will actually implement this. They would much rather make you use internet radio of some sort, where you are using the piss out of that $30+/month data plan you are being bent over for.

2) They would need an external antenna of some sort to get any sort of decent reception. My old SonyEricsson did this by using the headphone cable as an antenna, and it work pretty well... I am guessing Apple would need to do something similar, which would require a) new headphones b) new headphone port, or c) an antenna from the Dock Port. None of which sound too attractive.

[Schtumple]

I might hold off then, been tempted to get an iPhone 3G, as O2 now offer them as a free upgrade if you get a 2 year contract, even on the £35 a month tariff.

Seems like this new iPhone will be a pretty big step up over the 3G, wonder if they'll keep the 3G as a cheaper model, given how much of a hardware jump this new model will be.

[MrSmith]

IMO what they really need to add is a compass. Google Maps would be a hell of a lot more useful if after locating myself with GPS, I could tell which direction I'm facing. If you're in an area you don't know and there aren't any street signs then its easy to walk in the wrong direction for a minute or so until you can see that you're gps dot is going the wrong way.
Uncanny. I was thinking the very same thing just today.

[tiguk]

Don't expect this to actually be enabled on the new iPhone. We've waited 2 years for the Bluetooth functionality to be 'enabled' by Apple, so they have a track record of not supporting the full functionality of the chipsets.

Even with iPhone OS 3.0. Bluetooth still isn't fully enabled, only the bits of functionality they wanted to allow have been switched on. So, why would they now start supporting FM radio, something they've resisted doing since the 1st Gen iPod?

[perm]

I usually don't wait in lines for phones but i may be the 1st there 5th ave store here I come.


I would love this

[Kelmon]

Big deal. Apple successfully killed off radio for me with Podcasting so I honestly have absolutely no need for radio itself anymore. Besides, having bough an iPod Remote Control that delivered radio I would expect radio on the iPhone to be bad experience as well.

I've never understood why FM radio has been seen as something important that the iPod has lacked.

[puercaeli]

I thought at least FM reception is already available(theoretically) on current Marble produced chip in iPhone 3G and iPod Touch? From what I have heard, Apple either locked the function out or ordered the modified version that leaves out this function.

I think similar thing will happen to this chip too... Apple will remove this feature...

[ViRGE]

However, I don't believe Apple will use the functionality. It doesn't follow their use model for the iPhone.Exactly. The fact that this chip has an FM radio means very little - these are mass production parts that go in to many products besides the iPhone. Since FM radio is a typical feature on other devices, it's something Broadcom would build in to a radio chip so that they can cover the needs of all of their customers.

I'm pretty sure this isn't even the first Apple product with an unused FM radio.

[TheSpaz]

FM Radio? Why do we need FM radio when we can have streaming internet radio that's better quality and a lot more stations to choose from? I don't see this happening. Someone's messing with MacRumors.

[Darkroom]

FM Radio on iPhone OS 3.0 would be defiantly a reason to upgrade for iPod Touch users like myself. i often prefer to listen to talk radio while at the gym instead of music :p

[Warbrain]

Another worthless feature. I had a phone with an FM radio once...reception sucked, sound sucked (it is FM radio...), and was a waste of my time.

[Fotek2001]

FM is being phased out all over the world in favour of digital alternatives. I kind of doubt Apple would add a technology that is in the process of becoming obsolete.

[Stately]

FM Radio? Why do we need FM radio when we can have streaming internet radio that's better quality and a lot more stations to choose from? I don't see this happening. Someone's messing with MacRumors.

In cases when you can't use the internet or so you don't have to.

[rhett7660]

Lets hope they upgrade the speaker on the phone if this is going to happen!

[theotherguy]

What is this 'FM Radio' you speak of?

[treycaliva]

This would make sense for utilizing the turn-by-turn GPS in-car.

[matrix35]

I'm hoping the new 802.11n connectivity will bring TimeMachine to the iPhone :D

[talkingfuture]

FM would be a killer feature.

[Apple Ink]

If I remember correctly, the 2nd gen iPod Touch could also utilize that Bt chip for FM transmissions (well as MR mentions itself.. I do remember correctly!)

Obviously FM and Apple dont go together. They frankly havent since a long long time now and I dont see it happening anytime soon..... unless of course they can derive some monetary benefit from the process!

[crees!]

AM is dead

Not by a long-shot ;)

[LagunaSol]

Hooray! FM radio! Now I can replace my crystal-clear, DJ-jabber-free Slacker Radio tunes with fuzzy, ad-cluttered old school FM with annoying DJs!

I love progress. ;)

[Angus Frampton]

Cool, cant wait 2 upgrade my iphone to 3.0 and listen to the radio. I think this will happen in August.

[Furrybeagle]

Is there anything the new iPhone hasn't got?!

Battery life.

[tjpeople]

Kevin Rose said he had heard FM radio was coming, several months back.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=643203

[4np]

Big deal. Apple successfully killed off radio for me with Podcasting ...

You probably ment Adam Curry ;)

[Apple Ink]

Cool, cant wait 2 upgrade my iphone to 3.0 and listen to the radio. I think this will happen in August.

Look again... FM transmission is supported by a "NEW" chip which Apple will supposedly use in the next iPhone, not this one! A similar Bt chip though is currently utilized by the 2nd gen iPod Touch, if you're referring to that!

[centauratlas]

I thought the same thing about "who needs it," but it is nice to have on a number of occasions. During a hurricane with no power, the N96 FM radio was nice; walking into stores to hear a song/talk show etc that is in progress is nice; pulling up a show where you don't have good cell reception, but do have radio reception is nice.

In short, there are three things I liked about my Nokia N96 better than my iPhone, but about 100 things that I like better about the iPhone - which is why I have it and not the N96 any more. In my book the N96 wins in these three spots (and loses in the 100 others):
1. 5MP camera
2. MMS
3. FM Radio
[4. Video recording -- forgot this one!]

It seems like MMS and a better camera may be in store for the next version given the rumors. And now MAYBE FM. Adding FM would be welcome here and if it is already included in the chip, won't add extra cost.

FM Radio? Why do we need FM radio when we can have streaming internet radio that's better quality and a lot more stations to choose from? I don't see this happening. Someone's messing with MacRumors.

[cleric]

Who cares any decent fm channel has streaming at this point, an official sirius app would be better news.

[twoodcc]

sounds great. does this mean nike+ on the next iPhone?

[Bighaugs]

The gym I go to has wifi, so you'd think I'd be happy with my current iPod Touch and its lack of FM capability.

But two things make FM attractive; the TVs in the gym use a local FM transmitter for audio; right now I'm unable to listen to the programs showing on the big ol' screens in the cardio room.

Second, when I run outside, I'd love to pick up NPR. I can do this via wifi indoors, but I think it's silly that Apple has refused to incorporate this when other players have done it for YEARS now.

What has taken so long? Is it their obsessive need to ensure a 'quality' user experience? Or is it their desire to profit from third-party deals for FM tuners? Here's hoping they fix this with the next round of iPhones/iPod Touches.

[kddpop]

FM radio is dead. it's all one big corporate station playing the same manufactured crap.

but, if the iphone can broadcast to FM, that means wirelessly playing music from the phone in your car.

im in.

[Otaviano]

Given most free phones have FM, this isn't that surprising.

However, I don't believe Apple will use the functionality. It doesn't follow their use model for the iPhone.

I disagree, from what Apple demoed of OS3.0 it seems their strategy is to open the phone as much as possible to developers. They have a good lead at the moment and want to ensure a lasting position by ensuring support from developers and strong integration with other devices.

Therefore adding the FM capabilities simply so the phone can communicate with car steros and units is not a stretch by any means.

[iphones4evry1]

I would think AT&T would require Apple to activate the AM/FM functionality, as it saves network bandwidth. Users should want it activated too, because it will free up network bandwidth.

[DELLsFan]

FM receive and wireless-N are great additions, A2DP Bluetooth sounds cool as well ... sure, but Holy Cow, what's holding up the voice-activated dialing please?

:confused:

[Jimmy James]

Satellite radio. With an FM transmitter for car use. Thing BIG.

[emotion]

With an FM transmitter for car use. Thing BIG.

Thinking big involves Bluetooth for interfacing to cars. Most modern car audio has bluetooth these days. A2DP support is coming though so Apple appear to be on the case.

[iPhoneNYC]

I remember when some referred to the 1st gen as "the Jesus Phone." What are we going to call this one????

[emotion]

I disagree, from what Apple demoed of OS3.0 it seems their strategy is to open the phone as much as possible to developers. They have a good lead at the moment and want to ensure a lasting position by ensuring support from developers and strong integration with other devices.

Therefore adding the FM capabilities simply so the phone can communicate with car steros and units is not a stretch by any means.

That's what bluetooth is for. Have you tried using short range FM transmitters in a car? Even the good ones have terrible quality.

[johnmcboston]

Satellite radio. With an FM transmitter for car use. Thing BIG.

Satellite is dead. I can get Internet radio now - why go backwards and add FM or satellite??

[SirROM]

I remember when some referred to the 1st gen as "the Jesus Phone." What are we going to call this one????

His Daddy, the “God” phone.

[pickledsmith]

Transmitting on FM (certainly on a frequency available to a car stereo) is illegal in the UK without a licence.

[Jimmy James]

Thinking big involves Bluetooth for interfacing to cars. Most modern car audio has bluetooth these days. A2DP support is coming though so Apple appear to be on the case.

I thought about that, but don't have bluetooth in my car. Nor do the majority of cars currently occupying the streets. Let's hope for both.

[Jimmy James]

Transmitting on FM (certainly on a frequency available to a car stereo) is illegal in the UK without a licence.

Is the act itself illegal, or owning equipment capable of this task? :D

[William Gates]

Thinking big involves Bluetooth for interfacing to cars. Most modern car audio has bluetooth these days. A2DP support is coming though so Apple appear to be on the case.


Not all of us are so fortunate. I have an '05 Trailblazer with no bluetooth, not everyone who has an iPhone is driving a car that is 3 years old or newer. And for the people saying they shouldn't add it...It's going to be in there regardless, it's apart of the chip functionality, why not activate it?

Oh, it will decrease battery life you say? Well, it won't decrease yours if you don't use it, let me use my battery life the way I please.

[William Gates]

Transmitting on FM (certainly on a frequency available to a car stereo) is illegal in the UK without a licence.

I know here in the states that if the transmission is <30 feet then you don't need a FCC license. I'm sure it's similar in the UK. How powerful of a FM signal do you think the iPhone can generate?

[BTW]

It isn't a "laser", but a pico-projector in the new iPhone would be a cool feature to have. Add an iPhone edition of iWork or MS Office and I would make due without a laptop. Though there'd need to be some sort of link to a printer, which would be nice.

[illegallydead]

Not all of us are so fortunate. I have an '05 Trailblazer with no bluetooth, not everyone who has an iPhone is driving a car that is 3 years old or newer. And for the people saying they shouldn't add it...It's going to be in there regardless, it's apart of the chip functionality, why not activate it?

Oh, it will decrease battery life you say? Well, it won't decrease yours if you don't use it, let me use my battery life the way I please.

It's really only the new Mercedes' and Lexus' (Lexi? :rolleyes:) that are starting to have that. Aftermarket stereos have had the functionality for YEARS, but factory systems are always nearly a decade behind (I remember how maybe a year or two back many manufacturers were making a big deal out of their cars' stereos being able to play these crazy things called MP3's... Whilst aftermarket, even dirt cheap aftermarket, stereos were doing that since the late 90's...

[tiguk]

Transmitting on FM (certainly on a frequency available to a car stereo) is illegal in the UK without a licence.

It used to be, not any more though.

[Lesser Evets]

Who listens to FM? That's like gluing a giant L on your forehead.

If they could make it transmit to a car stereo, though, this would be awesome.

I remember when some referred to the 1st gen as "the Jesus Phone." What are we going to call this one????

The "pope" phone.

[SkippyThorson]

I remember when some referred to the 1st gen as "the Jesus Phone." What are we going to call this one????

The Jesus H. Tap Dancin' Christ Phone?

[emotion]

Not all of us are so fortunate. I have an '05 Trailblazer with no bluetooth, not everyone who has an iPhone is driving a car that is 3 years old or newer. And for the people saying they shouldn't add it...It's going to be in there regardless, it's apart of the chip functionality, why not activate it?

Support for bluetooth in car audio? It depends on whether you're in the US or not ;). From a manufacturer POV it's very cheap to implement.

Most cars these days also have ipod docks. It's the only redeeming feature of some new models and is very easy to add to older models too.

Remember FM transmitters for phones are low energy and hence very low quality. A2DP is a much better option.

[anubis]

I personally know several people who specifically bought a non-Apple MP3 player because they wanted to be able to listen to FM radio. It's probably the number 1 reason people I know of decide against buying an iPod. It would be such an easy thing for Apple to correct... Sometimes I feel like Apple disables features out of principal rather than because it's what consumers want

[William Gates]

It's really only the new Mercedes' and Lexus' (Lexi? :rolleyes:) that are starting to have that. Aftermarket stereos have had the functionality for YEARS, but factory systems are always nearly a decade behind (I remember how maybe a year or two back many manufacturers were making a big deal out of their cars' stereos being able to play these crazy things called MP3's... Whilst aftermarket, even dirt cheap aftermarket, stereos were doing that since the late 90's...


Yeah, I actually had one of the first aftermarket stereos that had mp3 capabilities, but that was two cars ago for me. Is it really that hard to put a USB port in the dash and be done with it?

[eagle12]

Not all of us are so fortunate. I have an '05 Trailblazer with no bluetooth, not everyone who has an iPhone is driving a car that is 3 years old or newer. And for the people saying they shouldn't add it...It's going to be in there regardless, it's apart of the chip functionality, why not activate it?

Oh, it will decrease battery life you say? Well, it won't decrease yours if you don't use it, let me use my battery life the way I please.

Amen.

The FM would be a great addition in my opinion. I would love to be able to transmit audio to my car stereo. :)

[Xenious]

Dear lord please do not give the car manufactures an opportunity to NOT put in ipod integration. FM transmission of ipod audio to a stereo is crap.

[ivladster]

It could also be used to locate where you are without GPS. It could also be used for time sync.

Yep and also let US Government know where someone is at all times. =) LOL

[funkdis]

I sure do hope the battery will be a big improvement over the old one.

[William Gates]

Remember FM transmitters for phones are low energy and hence very low quality. A2DP is a much better option.

I agree, but I do not have bluetooth in my car. I know I'm not in the minority. Good business says to make your products capabilities available to as many people as possible. I know Apple doesn't follow this for the most part, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

[Stormbringer]

IMO what they really need to add is a compass. Google Maps would be a hell of a lot more useful if after locating myself with GPS, I could tell which direction I'm facing. If you're in an area you don't know and there aren't any street signs then its easy to walk in the wrong direction for a minute or so until you can see that you're gps dot is going the wrong way.I agree!

My no.1 wanted feature is a LED (or three, like my K850i). There are times I use it more often than my camera!

And I don't give a #$%^ about radio, as I never listen to it. I even hope they won't implement it, so that the OS will be cleaner and the device lighter!:D

[Alisstar]

Is there anything the new iPhone hasn't got?!

The ability to flush toilets handsfree 

[Apple Ink]

The ability to flush toilets handsfree 

I'd appreciate that actually!:)

[William Gates]

And I don't give a #$%^ about radio, as I never listen to it. I even hope they won't implement it, so that the OS will be cleaner and the device lighter!:D

So because you don't want it and never use it they shouldn't allow anyone to have it. That sounds like communism to me. They're not going to include this as an app in OS 3.0, we know that already. The voice memo app is the only new app that is going to be included in 3.0. They could (and should) release an app in the app store that utilizes the functionality. And seriously, how much of a difference will adding the FM functionality make in terms of performance and storage space?

[cmichaelb]

You probably ment Adam Curry ;)

No Agenda ftw!

[Constable Odo]

I'm sure the FM stuff will remain proprietary. Apple doesn't seem to care much for FM music radios because they seem to be contrary to the point of downloading music from iTMS. I know you can listen to internet music stations on iTMS, but the fact is you still need to go through iTMS and maybe you'll stop and buy something.:D

I'm sure there will be a number of hardware features disabled on the iPhone. I guess that's just the way Apple does things. I'm used to it by now and wouldn't waste my energy bitchin' about it. I think it's less important of how many features are offered and more important how well the features you do have are implemented for usability.

Damn, I'm such an Apple fanboi. I'm sure whatever Apple allows as far as features are concerned on the iPhone, it will sell in huge numbers. Hurry up with iPhone 3, already.

[SwiftLives]

Screw FM. I want the new iPhone to have CB capabilities!

[3NV7]

If they *do* add it, it will be about 8 years too late. FM reception made much more sense at the beginning of the iPod's life.

[zombitronic]

IMO what they really need to add is a compass. Google Maps would be a hell of a lot more useful if after locating myself with GPS, I could tell which direction I'm facing.

That's the first step towards augmented reality. After we get a digital compass, (horizontal and vertical,) the iPhone is pretty much AR ready. Imagine this:

You enter some directions in your iPhone. From the Maps app, there's a new button to "Show Destination Marker in Camera," or something like that. When you touch this, the Camera app opens. To the left or right on the screen are arrows to show you which way you need to aim the camera to see the destination. Through the display, you see the marker floating in the air in the distance above the destination.

This can all be done with GPS and a compass. GPS gets your coordinates and matches them to your point of view in the camera. Using the compass and data from Maps, the camera knows which direction to display the marker.

Then all we need is LIDAR and a stereo camera to judge distance to display augmented reality images in relation to their real world surrounding. That'll be in the $1999 iPhone.

[madman365]

Yeah, I herd a rumor a while back about an XM application being used on the iphone for people who are already subscribers. Who wants FM? Bring me XM Sirius...something I have ALWAYS wanted on my iPhone/iPod.

[t0mat0]

That's the first step towards augmented reality. After we get a digital compass, (horizontal and vertical,) the iPhone is pretty much AR ready. Imagine this:

You enter some directions in your iPhone. From the Maps app, there's a new button to "Show Destination Marker in Camera," or something like that. When you touch this, the Camera app opens. To the left or right on the screen are arrows to show you which way you need to aim the camera to see the destination. Through the display, you see the marker floating in the air in the distance above the destination.

This can all be done with GPS and a compass. GPS gets your coordinates and matches them to your point of view in the camera. Using the compass and data from Maps, the camera knows which direction to display the marker.
Then all we need is LIDAR and a stereo camera to judge distance to display augmented reality images in relation to their real world surrounding. That'll be in the $1999 iPhone.

Don't even have to go that far - there's already been an apparent siting of ordinal direction hinting at the use of a compass in OS 3.0, hinting that like the Android, there will be direction sensing.

Look at ENkin (which might have been bought out - they've gone off the radar) or Tonchidot.

That's why Panoramio, Latitude, StreetView are so interesting. DOn't need LIDAR as you know the bigger points of reference on a map - have there location, have your GPS location ==> distance.

It's called the next iPhone, in all likelihood - that or an upcoming Android - there are already prototypes, but like Gomite etc - the companies doing this tech have gone off the radar :/

[ZunePod]

I think I already found this out first:

http://www.ipodtouchfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165222

(if you scroll down to Bluetooth)

This was submitted a week ago

[ilfn143]

Is there anything the new iPhone hasn't got?!

IR - would be cool to have an app that control my tv

[G4R2]

Simply because the chip supports it should not be meant to signify that Apple will enable it. The chips that are the brains in most iPods, for instance, have photo editing abilities among other functions that go unused by Apple's software.

I would speculate, given Apple's practices, that this feature will be highly controlled by Apple in a way that squeezes as much money out of licensing fees as possible while balancing the focus Apple has on keeping its products uncluttered.

[Jimmy James]

IR - would be cool to have an app that control my tv

Actually, that would be useful. One device to rule them all.

[lftrghtparadigm]

Dear lord please do not give the car manufactures an opportunity to NOT put in ipod integration. FM transmission of ipod audio to a stereo is crap.

I agree, fm for transmitting is ridiculous. Its total garbage. Why would I have local music on my device only to listen to it at radio quality? Makes no sense. Yes its universal to all vehicles, but its universally crap.

Almost any car now can access an iPhone either through an iPod integration, simple aux jack (last several years of vehicles), or tapedeck adapter. Even a simple patch directly into the stereo is universal and preferable to FM.

I doubt Apple does anything with it besides Nike+, but I
sure there will be a set of apis for development.

[str1f3]

FM receive and wireless-N are great additions, A2DP Bluetooth sounds cool as well ... sure, but Holy Cow, what's holding up the voice-activated dialing please?

:confused:

No voice dialing has always been odd to me especially considering apple has voice recognition technology in the mac. It would be just the case of moving it to the iphone. Clean and simple.

[zombitronic]

DOn't need LIDAR as you know the bigger points of reference on a map - have there location, have your GPS location ==> distance.

LIDAR and a stereo camera wouldn't be as much about the distance of the destination, but the distance of objects blocking the destination.

Imagine this in a close range scenario:

You're at one end of a small park and you add a destination marker to the other end. Let's assume that this augmented marker is just red ball, about 10 feet tall if you were right up to it. First of all, the GPS would have to be precise enough to accurately display coordinates based on latitude and longitude but also altitude, so it can display this marker at ground level. The accelerometer would need to be sensitive enough to adjust data based on the tilt of your iPhone, as well. Assuming that it can, you would see this marker as a small globe on your display, fixed at a certain point in the distance.

The problem would be that this marker would block out trees in the foreground, so the only way to judge distance would be as it appears larger on the screen as you get closer to it. To remedy this, a combination of LIDAR and a stereo camera could analyze objects in the foreground and allow these objects to appear closer to you than the marker, so the ball would appear to be partially blocked by trees. This would make it appear, when looking through the camera display, that there really is a big red ball on the other end of the park.

[cswiger1]

Screw FM. I want the new iPhone to have CB capabilities!

I'd sooo switch to AT&T for that! "breaka-breaka one nine..."

[Stormbringer]

So because you don't want it and never use it they shouldn't allow anyone to have it. That sounds like communism to me.I'm just saying what I want, just like everyone else. I'm not Jobs who most be concerned what his customers want. Just like I don't want MMS or that I don't make a huge deal out of not having video-recording. Or should we all say "person A wants a 12MP camera, person B want LTE, person C wants a display of 1028*768 resolution, person D wants the device to be under 100grams, so let's all hope Apple will combine these things"?


And seriously, how much of a difference will adding the FM functionality make in terms of performance and storage space?That ":D" was not for nothing!;)

[Jayomat]

The finding, however, doesn't mean that Apple will necessarily enable these features in the new iPhone. Apple has certainly been known not to enable all features their hardware is capable of, and FM reception/transmission is one that have shown no interest in supporting in the past.


Do people actually READ what the text says? How can you say: "Oh the new iphone is getting better everyday!" or "whats wrong with macrumors, such bs".... on so on.....

blahh

[ipoppy]

It wont have built in radio for sure; it will influence partly on iTunes sales. Not much but that will justify Apple decision to NOT go that route.

[BenRoethig]

The more rumors I hear about the next iPhone, the more I want one.

[deannnnn]

I think an FM tuner would be insanely useful, but I agree that Apple won't allow access to it. It will be interesting to see what the Jailbreakers can do ;)

[srl7741]

IMO what they really need to add is a compass. Google Maps would be a hell of a lot more useful if after locating myself with GPS, I could tell which direction I'm facing. If you're in an area you don't know and there aren't any street signs then its easy to walk in the wrong direction for a minute or so until you can see that you're gps dot is going the wrong way.

Good idea for a new App. :)

[winks360]

Why would they put a radio in it if it has an iPod :mad: that would have a negative effect on the number of songs downloaded from the iTunes Store. :p

[Niko03]

IMO what they really need to add is a compass. Google Maps would be a hell of a lot more useful if after locating myself with GPS, I could tell which direction I'm facing. If you're in an area you don't know and there aren't any street signs then its easy to walk in the wrong direction for a minute or so until you can see that you're gps dot is going the wrong way.

There is a decidedly low tech method employed for.. oh.. since the dawn of time.
It's called the sun and at night constellations.:rolleyes:
(Sorry couldn't help it)

[blackpond]

The more rumors I hear about the next iPhone, the more I want one.

I heard the iPhone will have a random rumor generator as well. Sounds like this is just the phone for you.

[Donz0r]

that would be great! My power went out many times last week from those crazy storms. An FM receiver would be great to listen to while no power and waiting to hear if there are any twisters headed my way (didn't realize I didn't have a battery powered radio in the house!)

Add that while having the flashlight app and we're all set!

The current iPhone 3G is capable of receiving FM signals, and it's not implemented.

Neither will this.

[koobcamuk]

FM is being phased out all over the world in favour of digital alternatives. I kind of doubt Apple would add a technology that is in the process of becoming obsolete.

There are a few million cars in the world, with their own FM receivers. Beaming out to one of these is something that made the W980 by SE appealing in the UK. Remember iTrip (http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/itripdock) anyone?

[The Phazer]

Apple won't put in an FM transmitter because many countries do have legal regulations on even the use of short range FM transmitters. It'd just be too much hassle and I doubt Apple wants to have too many models (sales of iTrips were illegal in the UK until a couple of years ago, I've no doubt the same still applies in some territories.

I'm not holding my breath on an FM reciever, but it would be really, really appreciated. I'd use it loads. I'm sure the networks would be very keen too, as they don't want people streaming radio at all if they can help it - high QoS applications like live streaming cause all sorts of problems on a 3G network because it's not designed for such use. This is why O2's contracts prohibit them.

Phazer

[sirenum]

FM is so yesterday. There's still no DAB capable mobile phone on the market... why not add this?

[Airforcekid]

FM radio would be a nice small addon i would use it time to time!

[Fraghax]

Is there anything the new iPhone hasn't got?!

If everything they say is correct.....the "hasn't got" list would be the a very short one.;)

[Tones2]

I could care less about FM RADIO itself, since I listen exclusively to internet radio. So I really just wish that Apple would approve the Live365 app that was submitted in early January. COME ON it's been 3 MONTHS!

But a built in FM transmitter would be nice. :)

Tony

[iMacmatician]

There is a decidedly low tech method employed for.. oh.. since the dawn of time.
It's called the sun and at night constellations.:rolleyes:
(Sorry couldn't help it)It's a cloudy day today…

[JayMan8081]

It would be interesting to see these features added to a new iPhone model.

[bigchief]

Why would they put a radio in it if it has an iPod :mad: that would have a negative effect on the number of songs downloaded from the iTunes Store. :p

It would be good for emergencies such as hurricanes, tornados, earth quakes, and for local news and sporting events. It wouldn't be something for most people to use all the time but it would be nice to have if you need it. So why not?

[willybNL]

FM Radio... is that still out there? (just joking).

DVB-T would be awesome on the iPhone :D

[willybNL]

It would be good for emergencies such as hurricanes, tornados, earth quakes, and for local news and sporting events. It wouldn't be something for most people to use all the time but it would be nice to have if you need it. So why not?

Don't you see it? RDS... yeah: RDS has the ability to send traffic jams.
But than again, so does internet.

[SFC Archer]

It isn't a "laser", but a pico-projector in the new iPhone would be a cool feature to have. Add an iPhone edition of iWork or MS Office and I would make due without a laptop. Though there'd need to be some sort of link to a printer, which would be nice.

My iPhone PRINTER (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=299423224&mt=8) works just fine. Can print anything I want.

Along with this ONE (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=301656026&mt=8) and this ONE (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=299531647&mt=8) and maybe this ONE (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=301897647&mt=8) and all the others that are similiar in one way or another.

Maybe this PROJECTOR (http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/11/honlais-qingbar-mp101-iphone-projector-makes-us-want-more/) or this ONE (http://www.iphonealley.com/news/dlp-pico-projector-to-launch-december-1st-in-japan) when and if it comes to the U.S.

There are just some things that need to be accessories. You can not cram every dang wish into the iPhone and still have it look the way it does and have a half way decent battery.

FM is already available on the iPhone. I listen to my two favorite FM stations from Louisville every single day. If I miss my Bob & Tom show, I am a grump the rest of the day. The developer will add your station to his APP (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=302782364&mt=8) if he is able to and usually does it that day. The UI of the app is being worked on and is only getting better but the number of stations I get is amazing.

[Bevz]

IMO what they really need to add is a compass. Google Maps would be a hell of a lot more useful if after locating myself with GPS, I could tell which direction I'm facing. If you're in an area you don't know and there aren't any street signs then its easy to walk in the wrong direction for a minute or so until you can see that you're gps dot is going the wrong way.

I second that... A compass would be very useful...

[SFC Archer]

It wont have built in radio for sure; it will influence partly on iTunes sales. Not much but that will justify Apple decision to NOT go that route.

Why would they put a radio in it if it has an iPod :mad: that would have a negative effect on the number of songs downloaded from the iTunes Store. :p

BECAUSE....FM is where ARTISTS release their MUSIC to get it out into the world which causes listeners to BUY FAVORITE SINGLES from iTUNES. If radio goes away, how will the artists get their songs out into the public for public opinion/votes. NO ONE buys CD's anymore...they want singles!!! The artists present these singles on FM and get the free marketing so that people like you will PURCHASE SINGLES from iTUNES.

Is it really that hard to figure out, or why the artists thank the fans and the RADIO STATIONS when they win the awards???

Just a little common sense goes along way for your artists to stay in business!

[utahnguy]

I know, I know... You read the part about gaining the ability to transmit FM and thought you could FINALLY ditch the annoying 3rd party FM transmitter.

I had a phone that did this a few years ago - the LG Fuziq if I remember correctly. It was gimmicky, hard to use, and most of all, it just didn't work. FM transmitters require a LOT (relatively speaking) of juice to work well and you would drain your battery in less than an hour if not plugged in. Besides that, almost every car coming out has at least an AUX in port and full on iPod integration is getting to be a common feature. Lastly, one of the key examples Apple chose to show us in the 3.0 preview was the ability to control FM transmitters, I just can't see them doing that if they planned in immediately killing the need to do so.

I won't say that I think Apple couldn't advance this technology if they had to, and the iPhone probably has more potential to do this correctly with a more spacious battery than the Fuziq had, but it's just not Apple's style to do something if they can't do it extremely well. My prediction is that Apple will either disable the FM (receiving and transmitting) capabilities or use a version of the chip that doesn't include it.

[libertyforall]

How about HD Radio reception?! They are starting to send real-time traffic updates and other information over HD channels, like they do on XM, so this could be another feature if adopted...

See:
http://www.hdradio.com/what_is_hd_digital_radio.php

[jholzner]

So because you don't want it and never use it they shouldn't allow anyone to have it. That sounds like communism to me.

Would people get of this communism thing. No, it sounds like the opposite actually. On person doesn't want it so no one gets it?....hmm COMMUNism?

[Donz0r]

I think an FM tuner would be insanely useful, but I agree that Apple won't allow access to it. It will be interesting to see what the Jailbreakers can do ;)

THE CURRENT IPHONE 3G CAN RECEIVE FM RADIO SIGNALS but there's no jailbroken solution because it must be enabled by Apple. Just like The current iPhone 3g can broadcast A2DP Stereo Bluetooth. But again, the feature is disabled by apple and hasn't been enabled by jailbreaking.

Do you people even READ the main story?

[Robbadore64]

I'm all for using FM in an app that can take advantage of it, but I really hope my iPhone can never be turned into a FM Radio; just seems white-trashy to me (please, no offense to those who want that functionality). It would be like an insult to myself and my iPhone to hear static crap coming out of it. When I bought my first iPod I could have bought a $10 Sony walkman instead; there was a reason I spent $500 on the iPod instead...

Love the compass idea!

[diemos]

I highly doubt new iPhone will have Radio FM tuner build in, i'm sure its going to be used for something else. The Fm tuner wont help apple in any way, they WANT you to buy from iTunes.

[BenRoethig]

I highly doubt new iPhone will have Radio FM tuner build in, i'm sure its going to be used for something else. The Fm tuner wont help apple in any way, they WANT you to buy from iTunes.

When itunes will give me local news radio or radio sports broadcasts, let me know.

[michael.lauden]

if the iPhone can transmit FM.... then say goodbye to the radio as we know it. so much interference will be produced. i dont know that Apple would include this feature with that risk at stake...

[tobyw7]

Transmitting on FM (certainly on a frequency available to a car stereo) is illegal in the UK without a licence.

It would be no different to the FM car transmitters you can already buy for your iPod etc.

[brianbobcat]

Apple will probably disable, I'm sure they could have added FM to ipods years ago, but to this age we still don't have them. Anyone believing they will add them to the iphone must not know Apple or must be living in la la land.

Hey buddy, do you not remember this: http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/10/apple-ipod-radio-remote-adds-fm-to-ipods/ Apple has added radio in the past, so this would make sense.

Two things:

1) I kind of doubt Apple will actually implement this. They would much rather make you use internet radio of some sort, where you are using the piss out of that $30+/month data plan you are being bent over for.

2) They would need an external antenna of some sort to get any sort of decent reception. My old SonyEricsson did this by using the headphone cable as an antenna, and it work pretty well... I am guessing Apple would need to do something similar, which would require a) new headphones b) new headphone port, or c) an antenna from the Dock Port. None of which sound too attractive.

Apple doesn't care about that $30 a month, that's not going directly to them. We need to pay for that if we want to use ANY cellular data with the 3G, so it's basically guaranteed that all 3G owners have it. In fact, AT&T might actually want Apple to add in FM so that less people are using something like Pandora and thus less traffic on their network. Also, both the iFM from Griffin and Apple's Radio remote DID use the headphone cable as an antenna.

-Brian

[Drinahn]

Is there anything the new iPhone hasn't got?!

It won't have a laser turret.

[Stewie86]

Yet another thing to scratch off my wishlist:

- 32GB
• Larger Megapixel Camera with Auto Focus and Flash
• Video Recording
- Watch any video online with Adoble Flash or Quicktime
• Copy & Paste
• MMS Messaging
• Landscape texting
- Video Chat/Calling
• AM/FM/XM Radio

The one's with (-) are obviously those still coming or might be coming.

[addersop]

FM Radio? Why do we need FM radio when we can have streaming internet radio that's better quality and a lot more stations to choose from? I don't see this happening. Someone's messing with MacRumors.

Because at least in Leeds I seem to go in and out of 3G every two or three minutes - an FM radio would be ace for the morning commute :)

[Drinahn]

I highly doubt new iPhone will have Radio FM tuner build in, i'm sure its going to be used for something else. The Fm tuner wont help apple in any way, they WANT you to buy from iTunes.

And how do people decide to buy some music again? Back in the old days before iTunes, they heared it on the radio, then they went to the music shop. So how will a radio on an iPod with a built-in iTunes store not help Apple?

[H$R]

It would be no different to the FM car transmitters you can already buy for your iPod etc.

he has been talking about those..they are illegal in some countries. yes, it would mean, you don't have to buy one of those. and no extra cables in the car lying around, though, you won't be able to charge it this way.

[SFC Archer]

And how do people decide to buy some music again? Back in the old days before iTunes, they heared it on the radio, then they went to the music shop. So how will a radio on an iPod with a built-in iTunes store not help Apple?

I said the exact same thing, but in a little more detail in post 125 (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7417509&postcount=125) and it got buried to quick!!!

[Dagless]

FM radio would be a snazzy addition. I only use DAB these days but wouldn't mind jumping back to FM for an iPhone. Of course the down side is now I'm going to have to wait before buying an iPhone :o I was dead set on the 3G too. Guess I'll be stood on line on day 1 of this new one. If they jump to 64gb, add a video recorder and (maybe) a front facing camera too it'll be a no brainer.

So yea, thats what this new iPhone doesn't have. DAB!

[stompy]

Thinking big involves Bluetooth for interfacing to cars. Most modern car audio has bluetooth these days. A2DP support is coming though so Apple appear to be on the case.

Who listens to FM? That's like gluing a giant L on your forehead.

I highly doubt new iPhone will have Radio FM tuner build in, i'm sure its going to be used for something else. The Fm tuner wont help apple in any way, they WANT you to buy from iTunes.

FM isn't just for audible signals, some traffic delivery services use FM (http://www.gpsreview.net/traffic/). This would be very useful when combined with a turn by turn GPS app.

[Dagless]

Who listens to FM? That's like gluing a giant L on your forehead.

Given that the BBC broadcast on FM I could probably guess in the region of, a lot.

[vvebsta]

they're adding all this stuff it makes me scared that it will end up being thicker than the last one. :(

[SFC Archer]

Who listens to FM? That's like gluing a giant L on your forehead.

You mean kind of like the "L" in Lesser Evets??? I sir, and I am sure others that like and enjoy FM radio daily...am NOT a friggin "L". I take MAJOR offense that you can be so high and mighty as to judging others because they like to listen to good old fashioned radio.

100's of Artists release their singles on FM radio to get individuals like YOU to purchase music. Others listen to FM daily to get to work on time so that they can support their families. Yet others listen to weather reports and warnings to save their "L" LIVES because of FM.

So, I suggest before you belittle individuals for something that is beneficial to everyday life, that you take a step back, bite your tongue and keep your damn opinions to yourself!!!:mad::mad::mad: Your insult is very offensive to me!!!

[AppleBoi]

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Much obliged if you would use my referral link.

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:apple:

[applecultvictim]

Doubt they ll implement it and that's not because a lot of simple minded people think apple has felt fm is dead blah blah... It's because much like Bly ray they want you to have their device only suitable for content you get at their store. I hate it I can't listen to fm when I go for a jog. I hate it how they don't even allow me to use the super expensive fm headphones I had with my iPod.

[SFC Archer]

Doubt they ll implement it and that's not because a lot of simple minded people think apple has felt fm is dead blah blah... It's because much like Bly ray they want you to have their device only suitable for content you get at their store. I hate it I can't listen to fm when I go for a jog. I hate it how they don't even allow me to use the super expensive fm headphones I had with my iPod.

What radio station do you listen to??? Reason I ask is that there is an App/Dev that will get almost any radio station. Send me the info and I will see if it is on the app before you purchase it. I may have to have my dev add it to the app.

[applecultvictim]

Would people get of this communism thing. No, it sounds like the opposite actually. On person doesn't want it so no one gets it?....hmm COMMUNism?
Hahaha very funny...ignorance of some...

[applecultvictim]

What radio station do you listen to??? Reason I ask is that there is an App/Dev that will get almost any radio station. Send me the info and I will see if it is on the app before you purchase it. I may have to have my dev add it to the app.

Hey thanks I ll pm you! But, a. I am in Europe and what is more important I run on airplane mode when I jog cause I think I be had enough emf radiation on my cell already so I appreciate the added benefit of the harmless fm signal, if there was one.

[SFC Archer]

Hey thanks I ll pm you! But, a. I am in Europe and what is more important I run on airplane mode when I jog cause I think I be had enough emf radiation on my cell already so I appreciate the added benefit of the harmless fm signal, if there was one.

Statioms can be loaded from anywhere in the world. Unless your wearing your iPhone on your head while you run, EMF radiation is the least of your worries. You have a better chance of getting hit my a driver talking/texting on a cell phone then you do catching cancer from the iPhone. The iPhone would be in your pocket or where ever you store it now.

If you want to stream your station just ask and I will see if its there, if not, i will see if we can load it. Its up to you.

Happy miles!!!

[MrCrowbar]

if the iPhone can transmit FM.... then say goodbye to the radio as we know it. so much interference will be produced. i dont know that Apple would include this feature with that risk at stake...

Some of the more expensive Walkman phones have the FM Transmitter built-in. Pretty neat to have the music on every radio in the house, perfectly in sync. I imagine it would turn into static if you leave the room. And the battery is empty pretty quickly. And your genitals are exposed to some actual radiation... :eek:

[azajohns]

Bring on the FM radio! I know many have no need for it, but as a heavy commuter, listening to internet radio is way too impractical considering download caps and reception issues.
I've never understood Apple's reluctance for this, imagine if apps like Shazam could incorporate a radio, it would only lead to more iTunes sales.

And question: if such a thing were already possible by jailbreaking, wouldn't someone have done it by now?

[jons]

Is there anything the new iPhone hasn't got?!

You just wait, half the rumors will be wrong.

Though I have really been wanting an FM transmitter in my iPhone, so this would be awesome.

[gnasher729]

FM would be a killer feature.

They should add it to the Palm Pre then :D

Though I have really been wanting an FM transmitter in my iPhone, so this would be awesome.

FM transmitter would make it impossible to sell in most of Europe.

IMO what they really need to add is a compass. Google Maps would be a hell of a lot more useful if after locating myself with GPS, I could tell which direction I'm facing. If you're in an area you don't know and there aren't any street signs then its easy to walk in the wrong direction for a minute or so until you can see that you're gps dot is going the wrong way.

GPS is not capable of finding your orientation. It can determine your location, and as soon as you are moving, it can determine which direction you are moving in. So you would have to start walking before it can tell you the direction, but most definitely not walking for a minute. A few meters should be enough. GPS could also not determine whether you are walking forwards or backwards, only your direction. It doesn't matter to GPS how you hold your iPhone.

[zlinger]

!#@!:eek:

[ipoppy]

I heard the iPhone will have a random rumor generator as well. Sounds like this is just the phone for you.

ROFL :D

[iSamurai]

i would really love an iphone with FM radio :)

but this would mean that the itunes store sales will decline a portion perhaps.

[cantueso]

Am I the only one thinking that the new iphone/touch will need a backpack whit plutonium? (OMG this message is now being monitorized by the NSA, FBI, CIA and MI6).

[ThE.MeSsEnGeR]

IMO what they really need to add is a compass. Google Maps would be a hell of a lot more useful if after locating myself with GPS, I could tell which direction I'm facing. If you're in an area you don't know and there aren't any street signs then its easy to walk in the wrong direction for a minute or so until you can see that you're gps dot is going the wrong way.

Wish granted! :D

[Harun]

Funny, I was wondering why it wasn't incorporated into the iphone initially. Well, I'm glad it will have it now. This iphone is going to be phenomenal. But I will not budge again until Apple affiliates itself with a company other than AT&T. Economy or not, AT&T are rip off artists. :cool:

Agree, stay with AT&T and they won't get me.

I don't feel like hiring a lawyer full time to fight their billing department.

[jw2002]

That sounds like communism to me.

Huh? Not by a long shot. The market doesn't want FM in an iphone/ipod. If it did, then the clamor for it would have been huge, and iphones/ipods would have sold in much smaller numbers. Apple controls like 80% of the mp3 player market, and even if they added FM, it probably wouldn't budge that market share at all.

Adding FM/AM is feature bloat. Lots of people have offered up interesting niche possibilities for FM in the iphone, but it would end up being a rarely/never used feature in the vast, vast majority of devices. Apple is not in the disaster preparedness business, so it's not like people are going to make an iphone purchase decision because it will keep them tuned in during a natural disaster.

Finally, all of these dead and dying media (FM, AM, XM, Sirius) are becoming more passé every day. They are old style one-way media. That's not what Apple hand held devices are about, so it is doubtful that Apple would ever implement dedicated hardware to support these dying formats.

[jon86]

I would like to see FM receiving enabled in the next iPhone, as listening to FM will use none of one's data allowance. In the UK, O2 has a 1 GB per month data allowance FUP. While at work, I can easily listen to 6 - 7 hours of music. This means my 1 GB per month limit is going to be eaten up pretty quickly if the music I listen to comes from Internet Radio streaming sites.

EDIT: I now understand that it is theoretically 'unlimited', however, in the T&C it specifically says that it forbids streaming. :(

[iphonerain]

I always thought mms, low megapixel and lack of radio transmission were the only three things missing from iPhone. Since they fixed the first, is attemping to fix the second, and is now perhaps adding the last feature... well, I am completely hooked. Devoted! I hope it's true!

[IronRoses]

May i be the first to say....about bloody time too

Next it'll be java and flash support. Still the fanboys will piss themselves with excitememnt and claim that apple had to wait to make it perfect.

******** i say. Apple will only put flash on the iphone when it is needed.

I will never buy an iphone untill they have native flash support.

Kinda defeats the whole idea of having a full web browser but no flash.