Apple Seeds iPhone OS 3.0 Beta 3 and New SDK to Developers [Archive]

MacRumors

Apr 14, 2009, 07:01 PM

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Apple today seeded the third beta version of iPhone OS 3.0, along with a new build of the software development kit (SDK), to developers. World of Apple republishes (http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2009/04/14/iphone-developers-receive-third-beta-of-iphone-os-30/) the seed notes for the SDK, detailing a number of changes to various components, including Xcode, Interface Builder, and Dashcode, and notes that applications targeting pre-OS 3.0 devices are unable to be tested on the latest beta.Apple has this evening released beta 3 (build 7A280f) of iPhone OS 3.0 due for release in the Summer.

Of note in the latest seed is that Apple advises developers, "Applications targeting devices prior to iPhone OS 3.0 beta cannot be tested in this seed. This bug is intended to be ﬁxed in a future seed."

Changes to the iPhone OS 3.0 beta 3 will not become apparent at first.
No visible changes in the new version of the OS have yet been detailed. The last beta was seeded to developers (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/31/apple-seeds-second-iphone-3-0-beta-to-developers/) on March 31st.

Article Link: Apple Seeds iPhone OS 3.0 Beta 3 and New SDK to Developers (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/14/apple-seeds-iphone-os-3-0-beta-3-and-new-sdk-to-developers/)

iCantwait

Apr 14, 2009, 07:04 PM

WIN, gonna get this!

alexbates

Apr 14, 2009, 07:06 PM

I bet it really is much more stable... Good news!

Craiger

Apr 14, 2009, 07:08 PM

Hold on, does that mean old apps don't run on the new OS? Am I reading that wrong?

ouimetnick

Apr 14, 2009, 07:08 PM

I can't wait to see if any new features have been added. What about the "Store" in the settings menu?

overanalyzer

Apr 14, 2009, 07:09 PM

I'm glad to see Apple continuing to release updates to the 3.0 beta frequently. Makes me more hopeful that the release will be on the earlier side of the summer.

fishkorp

Apr 14, 2009, 07:10 PM

Hold on, does that mean old apps don't run on the new OS? Am I reading that wrong?

I think it means building for 2.x targets won't install. Your old apps that worked in b2 should still work in b3.

kwfl

Apr 14, 2009, 07:11 PM

i am just waiting for them to activate my developer program and i will get it.

lostngone

Apr 14, 2009, 07:12 PM

Hold on, does that mean old apps don't run on the new OS? Am I reading that wrong?

Yes, on this beta release.

This is good, it will piss off the pirates.

schimanke

Apr 14, 2009, 07:12 PM

Hold on, does that mean old apps don't run on the new OS? Am I reading that wrong?

Just installed it. Everything runs fine. The new beta is way faster and way more stable than the previous ones.

Mac-Addict

Apr 14, 2009, 07:12 PM

I don't get why they release a seed that they know has a bug in and say they are going to fix it later, why not just fix it then release the seed.

Digg (http://digg.com/apple/Apple_Seeds_iPhone_OS_3_0_Beta_3_and_New_SDK_to_Developers)

ruinfx

Apr 14, 2009, 07:15 PM

dissdnt

Apr 14, 2009, 07:18 PM

Omg they fixed the ipod icon, now i have to change my sig :(

Build Number: 7A280f

Reported Changes:

- MMS works with modified carrier bundle on German T-Mobile network.
- Spotlight now saves the last search.
- Speed improvements.
- Option for iPods that let you change what your double tap home button is.
- You can change spotlight to search for what you want to search for ex everything but applications.
- iPod icon is aligned.
- Restrictions now add In-App Purchases and Location.

twoodcc

Apr 14, 2009, 07:18 PM

very nice. can't wait for the final thing. i bet they will get another seed out soon so they can test pre-3.0

dagamer34

Apr 14, 2009, 07:19 PM

In case anyone hasn't noticed, beta builds of iPhone OS 3.0 have been coming out every Tuesday in two week intervals now.

FreeState

Apr 14, 2009, 07:26 PM

Hold on, does that mean old apps don't run on the new OS? Am I reading that wrong?

Yep your reading it wrong :)

globalwidget

Apr 14, 2009, 07:26 PM

YouTube now works on my restored iPhone 3G. Beta broke it before.

joshellis625

Apr 14, 2009, 07:28 PM

Yep your reading it wrong :)

I'm confused. Does this mean that all my original apps will still work just fine on this latest beta? I can safely upgrade to this version and not loose any functionality?

thanks for the clarification lol

javaGuru

Apr 14, 2009, 07:28 PM

YouTube now works on my restored iPhone 3G. Beta broke it before.

I'm very glad to hear this. It was a pain starting with a fresh install in order to get youtube to work with beta 2.

bedifferent

Apr 14, 2009, 07:31 PM

Is anyone else having issues with logging into their ADC account? I've been a developer with Apple for a long time, I just attempted to login after reading this after work and was greeted with a re-registration screen, and apparently I'm locked out of 3.0. Very strange.

SilentPanda

Apr 14, 2009, 07:35 PM

Is anyone else having issues with logging into their ADC account?

I logged in just fine. Have you been a developer long enough that you owe $99 again? :p I'm guessing not though. Dunno.

SAG3194

Apr 14, 2009, 07:37 PM

In App Purchase Restriction

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=167125&stc=1&d=1239749846

iPhoneJB

Apr 14, 2009, 07:43 PM

Tethering still works perfectly on my iPhone 3G over AT&T with Beta 3.

Mac-Addict

Apr 14, 2009, 07:43 PM

because they want to release 3.0 in june 2009 and not june 2010

Either way they are going to have to fix it.

bedifferent

Apr 14, 2009, 07:44 PM

I logged in just fine. Have you been a developer long enough that you owe $99 again? :p I'm guessing not though. Dunno.

Just got off the phone with ADC in Edinburgh, apparently Apple is cracking down on some accounts, mine was flagged for some reason. Developers should be cautious in giving out certificates. I have two phones, a 2G and 3G I develop on, and as such they are asking some developers to verify their information.

mikeinternet

Apr 14, 2009, 07:46 PM

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/14/apple-seeds-iphone-os-3-0-beta-3-and-new-sdk-to-developers/)... applications targeting pre-OS 3.0 devices are unable to be tested on the latest beta.

Who is working on apps for 'post' OS 3.0 devices?

..or am I confused?

mdriftmeyer

Apr 14, 2009, 07:46 PM

I'm confused. Does this mean that all my original apps will still work just fine on this latest beta? I can safely upgrade to this version and not loose any functionality?

thanks for the clarification lol

If you are a developer you should know what does or does not work. You're asking as if you're a consumer using a hacked copy.

PoitNarf

Apr 14, 2009, 07:47 PM

I don't get why they release a seed that they know has a bug in and say they are going to fix it later, why not just fix it then release the seed.

It has far more bugs in it that they are aware of than they let the developers know about. This is how beta testing goes, not every release is rock solid. This particular bug may require a rather lengthy fix, so why hold up testing on everything else to wait for this one to be resolved?

k2director

Apr 14, 2009, 07:47 PM

God, I hope they've gotten rid of having to unlock the phone with a finger swipe when the phone is sleeping and you double-tape the Home button.

When the phone is sleeping, and I double-tap the Home button, I want to go straight to my phone favorites, not have to do the finger swipe gesture and *then* double-tap the Home button.

PoitNarf

Apr 14, 2009, 07:48 PM

Who is working on apps for 'post' OS 3.0 devices?

..or am I confused?

Developers that have downloaded and are creating apps with the 3.0 SDK.

Mac-Addict

Apr 14, 2009, 07:48 PM

It has far more bugs in it that they are aware of than they let the developers know about. This is how beta testing goes, not every release is rock solid. This particular bug may require a rather lengthy fix, so why hold up testing on everything else to wait for this one to be resolved?

Ah, ok xD

jons

Apr 14, 2009, 07:49 PM

Very excited.

SFC Archer

Apr 14, 2009, 07:50 PM

In App Purchase Restriction

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=167125&stc=1&d=1239749846

was in beta 2

joshellis625

Apr 14, 2009, 07:50 PM

If you are a developer you should know what does or does not work. You're asking as if you're a consumer using a hacked copy.

No, I just do not want my phone to screw up anymore (besides the fact that it's a beta). I have been fine on the first 2 betas and then when something says you cannot run pre 3.0 OS apps... its kind of cloudy as to what exactly it means.

No need to make assumptions.

synth3tik

Apr 14, 2009, 07:52 PM

I'd be more excited about the OS, if I didn't have to keep exchanging my phone.

Mac-Addict

Apr 14, 2009, 07:55 PM

I'd be more excited about the OS, if I didn't have to keep exchanging my phone.

I know exactly how you feel, I'm on my 4th iPhone replacement.

Shoesy

Apr 14, 2009, 07:55 PM

boyreinvented

Apr 14, 2009, 07:56 PM

If you are a developer you should know what does or does not work. You're asking as if you're a consumer using a hacked copy.

and?

This is a forum for discussion, not for passing judgement. If someone wants clarification on something, he should be able to ask.

john7jr

Apr 14, 2009, 07:56 PM

No, I just do not want my phone to screw up anymore (besides the fact that it's a beta). I have been fine on the first 2 betas and then when something says you cannot run pre 3.0 OS apps... its kind of cloudy as to what exactly it means.

No need to make assumptions.

Exactly, I'm also a paid developer, but I develop on MY ONLY IPHONE! So I don't wan this to bust all the other apps I come to use daily. Not all of us are so fortunate to own a dedicated test-only device. You want to buy me one?

So what's the word? Will my other apps still work like they did before? (at least, hopefully better?)

Also, I read that as: Apple is purposely blocking older apps to prevent people from pirating it. Sucks for some of us though.

vvebsta

Apr 14, 2009, 07:57 PM

hurry up apple! us consumers want to upgrade!

cal6n

Apr 14, 2009, 08:00 PM

So, how is it?

Is it a "restore from backup" or a "set-up as new"?

Fraghax

Apr 14, 2009, 08:06 PM

I know exactly how you feel, I'm on my 4th iPhone replacement.

Stop Dropping it! lulz :D

koopa35

Apr 14, 2009, 08:09 PM

was in beta 2

sorry in app restrictions is not in beta 2. i know i still have it.

SFC Archer

Apr 14, 2009, 08:15 PM

sorry in app restrictions is not in beta 2. i know i still have it.

I totally apologize! :o I looked at the whole screen shot and not the details. You are correct about the app restrictions being added. I will make sure to update my thread 100 features with your post if you do not mind.

koopa35

Apr 14, 2009, 08:23 PM

I totally apologize! :o I looked at the whole screen shot and not the details. You are correct about the app restrictions being added. I will make sure to update my thread 100 features with your post if you do not mind.

no need to be :o simple mistake. no worries bro..:D

dizzy13

Apr 14, 2009, 08:30 PM

Exactly, I'm also a paid developer, but I develop on MY ONLY IPHONE! So I don't wan this to bust all the other apps I come to use daily. Not all of us are so fortunate to own a dedicated test-only device. You want to buy me one?

So what's the word? Will my other apps still work like they did before? (at least, hopefully better?)

I'm with you on this. All my apps still work. I assume it means if you compile something with the new SDK it will not run on any other device except the new 3.0 beta 3.

john7jr

Apr 14, 2009, 08:34 PM

I'm with you on this. All my apps still work. I assume it means if you compile something with the new SDK it will not run on any other device except the new 3.0 beta 3.

Yeah, the seed notes say "build target" compiled for... It's about the connection between the debugger and the device.

iamerrorrrr

Apr 14, 2009, 08:40 PM

Anyone know if the sound issue was resolved?
like it working for awhile, and shutting off?

Luke1robb

Apr 14, 2009, 08:40 PM

In case anyone hasn't noticed, beta builds of iPhone OS 3.0 have been coming out every Tuesday in two week intervals now.

Yup.... http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=683895

=MuLti-CeLL=

Apr 14, 2009, 08:43 PM

Get ta work guys and gals! Find us some new features deep down inside! What's new?!!! :D

michaelgettys

Apr 14, 2009, 08:44 PM

Installed 3.0c as soon as it came out. I can tell a huge difference in performance. stable and fast so far. I installed as an upgrade not as a new phone from 3.0b. Very good progress so far!

onicon

Apr 14, 2009, 08:45 PM

nice one, apple.

but let's see about the speed in a week. i usually don't switch off my iphone and the last betas got sluggish after a few days.

ipod app could use some launch speed improvement, though.

flipperanubi

Apr 14, 2009, 08:45 PM

jcostaman

Apr 14, 2009, 08:48 PM

:confused:Store is still store. :(

gnasher729

Apr 14, 2009, 08:50 PM

I don't get why they release a seed that they know has a bug in and say they are going to fix it later, why not just fix it then release the seed.

1. Because that would take time and delay the beta version.

2. Because the target audience (developers writing apps using 3.0 features) are not affected. The only ones affected are the non-developers who try to install the beta on their iPhones for a cheap thrill, that is people who shouldn't even have the beta. If none of the applications from the Appstore will work anymore, maybe that stops them.

Luke1robb

Apr 14, 2009, 08:55 PM

2. Because the target audience (developers writing apps using 3.0 features) are not affected. The only ones affected are the non-developers who try to install the beta on their iPhones for a cheap thrill, that is people who shouldn't even have the beta. If none of the applications from the Appstore will work anymore, maybe that stops them.

And they would care why? Does it matter how many people have 3.0 installed on their iPhones to Apple?

Zincous

Apr 14, 2009, 08:55 PM

1. Because that would take time and delay the beta version.

2. Because the target audience (developers writing apps using 3.0 features) are not affected. The only ones affected are the non-developers who try to install the beta on their iPhones for a cheap thrill, that is people who shouldn't even have the beta. If none of the applications from the Appstore will work anymore, maybe that stops them.

What about the developers who actually use the device as their phone and test 3.0 on it? Who can't afford to have two devices, one for dedicated testing and one for everyday use?

iamerrorrrr

Apr 14, 2009, 08:56 PM

Anyone know if the sound issue has been resolved??

Luke1robb

Apr 14, 2009, 08:56 PM

So to clarify... can someone with beta 3 installed tell us if all non 3.0 apps are or are NOT working?

Please only beta 3 users comment.

mikeinternet

Apr 14, 2009, 08:59 PM

Developers that have downloaded and are creating apps with the 3.0 SDK.

I took a pre 3.0 'device' to mean hardware that was made before 3.0.

j-a-x

Apr 14, 2009, 09:02 PM

I am a developer and I can confirm that this build works with ALL apps purchased on the app store that worked in the previous builds of 3.0, as well as my test apps that I compiled for the previous 3.0 beta builds.

I'm not sure which apps Apple means don't work in this build. Maybe developer's test versions of apps that were compiled pre-3.0.

Luke1robb

Apr 14, 2009, 09:03 PM

I am a developer and I can confirm that this build works with all apps purchased on the app store that worked in the previous builds of 3.0, as well as my test apps that I compiled for the previous 3.0 beta builds.

Thank you. Is there anyone that is saying any different? There seems to be some serious confusion on this point.

carsten79

Apr 14, 2009, 09:03 PM

Please test Preferences->Network->Mobile Network

It crashed

j-a-x

Apr 14, 2009, 09:05 PM

Thank you. Is there anyone that is saying any different? There seems to be some serious confusion on this point.

I think the confusion comes from something Apple released saying " "Applications targeting devices prior to iPhone OS 3.0 beta cannot be tested in this seed."

I think what they mean is apps compiled in Xcode with the target set to iPhone OS 2.x won't work, but app apps purchased from the app store work fine (well.. with the same bugs as the previous 3.0 release in certain apps).

jcostaman

Apr 14, 2009, 09:05 PM

ALL 3rd Party Apps available currently in the App Store work on iPhone beta three. If it works on 2.0, it works on 3.0.

Luke1robb

Apr 14, 2009, 09:07 PM

I think the confusion comes from something Apple released saying " "Applications targeting devices prior to iPhone OS 3.0 beta cannot be tested in this seed."

I think what they mean is apps compiled in Xcode with the target set to iPhone OS 2.x won't work, but app apps purchased from the app store work fine (well.. with the same bugs as the previous 3.0 release in certain apps).

Oh ok, I think that clarifies things really well. So basically, if you're developing an app, you'll just have to set it for 3.0 instead of 2.x to have it properly be tested?

iamerrorrrr

Apr 14, 2009, 09:07 PM

Can anyone answer the sound issue question?

j-a-x

Apr 14, 2009, 09:08 PM

3.0 beta 3 is running baseband 04.24.02. Is that a newer baseband than the previous beta?

j-a-x

Apr 14, 2009, 09:08 PM

which sound issue?

iamerrorrrr

Apr 14, 2009, 09:09 PM

the sound would work for awhile then shut off after use for awhile

j-a-x

Apr 14, 2009, 09:10 PM

I didn't notice that issue previously and I don't notice it now either.

gibbz

Apr 14, 2009, 09:10 PM

the sound would work for awhile then shut off after use for awhile

I had this issue as well. I'll see if it is fixed if others haven't done so.

andreab35

Apr 14, 2009, 09:13 PM

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/7A259g Safari/525.20)

Awww darn! I put my MacBook Air to sleep. Looks like I will just download tomorrow evening.
Is this release pleasable and much more stable? Any news about MMS or Youtube?

iamerrorrrr

Apr 14, 2009, 09:13 PM

I had this issue as well. I'll see if it is fixed if others haven't done so.

I can only hope and wish so...hahaa

Luke1robb

Apr 14, 2009, 09:15 PM

Any news about MMS or Youtube?

YouTube is a GO! No news on MMS yet.

razorianfly

Apr 14, 2009, 09:17 PM

So to clarify... can someone with beta 3 installed tell us if all non 3.0 apps are or are NOT working?

Please only beta 3 users comment.

I am also a registered developer and feel at this point
I need to clarify what this statement means:

"Applications targeting pre-OS 3.0 devices are unable to be tested on the latest beta of iPhone OS."

This applies to DEVELOPERS only. It's referring to the testing of applications with SDK version 3.0 Beta 3, and the ability to compile and run test builds from Xcode.
From my tests, all applications I have bought or downloaded (which currently target iPhone OS 2.0), are working on iPhone OS 3.0 Beta 3.

Granted Apple's 'wording' on the situation could have been a little clearer, but that's how it is. It's terrible news for developers who have updated,
are still developing for 2.0, and are still not aware this is the case, but for everyone else. Relax.

R-Fly

mdriftmeyer

Apr 14, 2009, 09:22 PM

I am also a registered developer and feel at this point
I need to clarify what this statement means:

"Applications targeting pre-OS 3.0 devices are unable to be tested on the latest beta of iPhone OS."

This applies to DEVELOPERS only. It's referring to the testing of applications with SDK version 3.0, and the ability to compile and run test builds from Xcode.
From my tests, all applications I have bought or downloaded (which currently target iPhone OS 2.0), are working on iPhone OS 3.0.

Granted Apple's 'wording' on the situation could have been a little clearer, but that's how it is.
It's terrible news for developers who have updated, are still developing for 2.0, and are still not aware this is the case, but for everyone else. Relax.

It's only terrible if you lack professionalism by not reading the Release Notes before you upgrade.

javaGuru

Apr 14, 2009, 09:29 PM

I apologize if this was already posted but I just noticed that skype no longer works on 3G with this beta. It seems that one of Apple's main goals was to fix the 3G loophole in skype with this beta release. I don't think it's a coincidence that skype released their update almost the exact time Apple released beta 3.

Ampidire

Apr 14, 2009, 09:29 PM

3.0b2 didn't work with my headunit via usb/ipod connector at all, 3.0b3 worked the first time, and then never again since, no matter what mode the car is in, if it's turned off and on, if i connect the phone with ipod app open, or even playing a song, or off completely, or restart the phone.

Oddly enough I seem unable to force quit the ipod app.

I'm developing for target 3.0 but this sucks that I have to pick up my old nano 4gb with some music to use in the car..

Zincous

Apr 14, 2009, 09:35 PM

Oddly enough I seem unable to force quit the ipod app.

Couldn't force quit apps in build 2 either

CharBroiled20s

Apr 14, 2009, 09:36 PM

Yes, on this beta release.

This is good, it will piss off the pirates.

Pirates? PSSHAW!!!

Are you referring to those of us enjoying the freedoms afforded to us by our Jailbroken / Unlocked iPhones?

Two words,
EAT ME.

Have a great day though!
:p

Luke1robb

Apr 14, 2009, 09:36 PM

Eso

Apr 14, 2009, 09:38 PM

fishkorp

Apr 14, 2009, 09:39 PM

ALL 3rd Party Apps available currently in the App Store work on iPhone beta three. If it works on 2.0, it works on 3.0.

100% false. There are changes to some APIs that some apps use. One of my apps crashed immediately on launch in beta 1, but worked again in beta 2. The camera app Darkroom Premium does not work in 3.0, the app crashes when trying to take a picture. There are plenty of apps that do not work in 3.0 that work fine in 2.x.

CharBroiled20s

Apr 14, 2009, 09:40 PM

LOL! Someone just fell off the turnip truck! The internet is all about passing judgment, before all else.

Hear Hear!!!

Anonymous Assyness is an unalienable right!

----------------
Quick Question!
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Does anyone think Apple's iPhone hardware refresh will include 2 NAND flash slots? SOUND OFF PEOPLE!

javaGuru

Apr 14, 2009, 09:40 PM

What happens when you don't update the Skype app?

I'm not sure. I actually updated my skype app before installing beta 3 and 3G was still working. I'm just guessing but I think both updates work together to close the 3G loophole. Can anyone confirm if skype still works on 3G with beta 3 and not skype 1.01?

SFC Archer

Apr 14, 2009, 09:41 PM

javaGuru

Apr 14, 2009, 09:45 PM

It was an app upgrade not 3.0 beta 3

I'm not sure I'm understanding your statement here. Are you stating that it was the skype update alone the closed the 3G loophole and not Apple's beta 3? I happen to know for a fact that the skype update alone did not close the 3G loophole. I updated skype before installing iPhone OS 3.0 beta 3 and I was still able to make calls via a 3G connection.

AeroUK

Apr 14, 2009, 09:46 PM

This is great! Very snappy.

So far I see two changes. The locator in youtube is different and the copy and paste dialogue box is now easier to navigate with a much improved interface to allow you to see what you are selecting. Check it out!!

Aaron

SFC Archer

Apr 14, 2009, 09:47 PM

I'm not sure I'm understanding your statement here. Are you stating that it was the skype update alone the closed the 3G loophole and not Apple's beta 3? I happen to know for a fact that the skype update alone did not close the 3G loophole. I updated skype before installing iPhone OS 3.0 beta 3 and I was still able to make calls via a 3G connection.

I am still on beta 2 and its closed, wifi only...other threads have reported the same thing. Its the only feasible answer.:( My beta 3 has not arrived yet.

nfl46

Apr 14, 2009, 09:48 PM

Is anyone going to post the file to download?

SFC Archer

Apr 14, 2009, 09:49 PM

Is anyone going to post the file to download?

No...not authorized.

javaGuru

Apr 14, 2009, 09:49 PM

I am still on beta 2 and its closed, wifi only...other threads have reported the same thing. Its the only feasible answer.:( My beta 3 has not arrived yet.

That's very odd because I was able to still make calls via a 3G connection on beta 2 after installing the skype update. I actually read on another thread that it was still working for others as well. I would not have installed the updater otherwise.

h.21

Apr 14, 2009, 09:49 PM

SFC Archer

Apr 14, 2009, 09:52 PM

That's very odd because I was able to still make calls via a 3G connection on beta 2 after installing the skype update. I actually read on another thread that it was still working for others as well. I would not have installed the updater otherwise.

Hmmm, the only difference between us is I only have edge. I have no 3G in my area. Maybe that is the diff...who knows.

fishkorp

Apr 14, 2009, 09:55 PM

My MMS worked with beta 2, not working with beta 3. Oh well.

javaGuru

Apr 14, 2009, 09:57 PM

Hmmm, the only difference between us is I only have edge. I have no 3G in my area. Maybe that is the diff...who knows.

This post was an answer to my question earlier if skype still worked on 3G after the skype update. I wouldn't have installed it otherwise. Note that this user states they are using edge:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7462712&postcount=6

Pooshka

Apr 14, 2009, 10:04 PM

Do Apple in-ear headphones work with the latest beta volume-wise?

SiuPak

Apr 14, 2009, 10:12 PM

Do Apple in-ear headphones work with the latest beta volume-wise?

seems not working.

Abyssgh0st

Apr 14, 2009, 10:13 PM

Do Apple in-ear headphones work with the latest beta volume-wise?

Negatory. Just tried with 3.0b3 and the volume does not work. My personal opinion is that the volume toggle switch on the side creates an external sound prevention of sorts, so that the only ways to change the volume are by that toggle, or by using the touch screen.

benlee

Apr 14, 2009, 10:15 PM

Awww darn! I put my MacBook Air to sleep. Looks like I will just download tomorrow evening.

This sounds like your Macbook Air is a child that was difficult to get to sleep and you don't want to wake him or her up. Hahahaha.

Anyways. On topic, I'm not a developer, but I'm interested to see if we get any more news about the 3rd Generation iPhone hardware when those curious types get at this.
Or do you all think Apple has made sure to not leave any more "clues" in this one?

Luke1robb

Apr 14, 2009, 10:29 PM

Or do you all think Apple has made sure to not leave any more "clues" in this one?

I don't think Apple "left" any "clues" in there in the first place, they are just testing the hardware with the real public firmware to see what happens....

...*Thinks*

Actually, I'm not sure if they leave clues in on purpose, but I think we'll see more and more stuff pop up as we get closer. They need to test the hardware on real firmware, so they need the code in there.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 10:30 PM

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/7A280f Safari/525.20)

Hold on, does that mean old apps don't run on the new OS? Am I reading that wrong?

You're not reading it wrong...you're just not reading it; period.

Just put the mouse down s-l-o-w-l-y and move back to your picture books.

People apps work (period) the warning given by apple is intented for the SDK and not the iPhone 3.0 beta 3 firmware

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 10:35 PM

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ALL 3rd Party Apps available currently in the App Store work on iPhone beta three. If it works on 2.0, it works on 3.0.

100% false. There are changes to some APIs that some apps use. One of my apps crashed immediately on launch in beta 1, but worked again in beta 2. The camera app Darkroom Premium does not work in 3.0, the app crashes when trying to take a picture. There are plenty of apps that do not work in 3.0 that work fine in 2.x.

Correct some apps do not work bit these are limited.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 10:38 PM

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I apologize if this was already posted but I just noticed that skype no longer works on 3G with this beta. It seems that one of Apple's main goals was to fix the 3G loophole in skype with this beta release. I don't think it's a coincidence that skype released their update almost the exact time Apple released beta 3.

What happens when you don't update the Skype app?

Yes, apple was so worried that people were using skype ove the 3g net that they couldn't wait but update their OS immediatly. Guys come to logic here. I have use the beta 3 for a couple of hours. Te difference with previous builds is the fact that the iPhone 3.o is finally useable and smooth.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 10:42 PM

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Yes, on this beta release.

This is good, it will piss off the pirates.

Pirates? PSSHAW!!!

Are you referring to those of us enjoying the freedoms afforded to us by our Jailbroken / Unlocked iPhones?

Two words,
EAT ME.

Have a great day though!
:p

Did you guys notice that factory unlocked iPhones are flatting the market. You choose your freedom but without jailbreaking the os and making it so slow for being able to use 1 or 2 apps. By the wag I am using an iPhone 3g factory unlocked running 3.0 beta 3 and never jailbreaked, jailbreaking is for kids.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 10:45 PM

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God, I hope they've gotten rid of having to unlock the phone with a finger swipe when the phone is sleeping and you double-tape the Home button.

When the phone is sleeping, and I double-tap the Home button, I want to go straight to my phone favorites, not have to do the finger swipe gesture and *then* double-tap the Home button.

Double tapping when it's asleep brings up the iPod controls. They will not remove that functionality because it is useful.

I bet you they will. The double tap will be essential to switching between apps. Double tapping will take you to the previous app. That will enable to multitasking when using 2 apps. Think about it.

vansouza

Apr 14, 2009, 10:47 PM

Hold on, does that mean old apps don't run on the new OS? Am I reading that wrong?

Some 2.0 apps did not run on 3.0 but they now do or mostly do with this upgrade.. that is what I gather.

lazyrighteye

Apr 14, 2009, 10:49 PM

MooneyFlyer

Apr 14, 2009, 10:52 PM

Either way they are going to have to fix it.

I think this is quite common for software betas... Our product (not Apple related) is in beta right now and went out with known bugs. Beta can target a number of different features that may or may not be dependent on some open bug. Sometimes the developers will not have an ETA on a bug fix and often it takes much longer to figure out what is causing the bug then it does to fix it). But, rather than hold up an entire round of testing we go out with what we can. Of course, this all depends on how likely it is that the bug holds up other feature validation/testing.

infectbda

Apr 14, 2009, 10:52 PM

Two things I've noticed so far: 1) speed. dramatically faster then the earlier betas. 2) When the audio minijack isn't in use, the popup audio controls and lock screen audio controls show "Dock Connector" where the volume slider would normally be.

javaGuru

Apr 14, 2009, 10:58 PM

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Yes, apple was so worried that people were using skype ove the 3g net that they couldn't wait but update their OS immediatly. Guys come to logic here. I have use the beta 3 for a couple of hours. Te difference with previous builds is the fact that the iPhone 3.o is finally useable and smooth.

I actually thought beta 2 was usable and smooth as well. So far I don't really see many differences in beta 2 and beta 3. I don't think Apple was as concerned about people using skype over 3G as AT&T was. I'm sure AT&T has a say in what apple does and does not block in their software.

Skype did work over 3G after its update and before beta 3 so it's a fact that Apple did something to block skype. I'm not the only one to claim this to be true (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...12&postcount=6). I'm not saying that this was the "only" change apple made in beta 3 but it sure does seem to be one of the "few" changes.

colonels1020

Apr 14, 2009, 11:07 PM

Each build gets better and better. This one is definitely faster than the previous one. I'm really glad they're still supporting us 1st gen iPhone owners. I just hope we'll get video recording (that is a big one for me). MMS would be nice, but I can live without it.

wildonrio

Apr 14, 2009, 11:09 PM

One small, fairly stupid, different I just noticed: When sending a text, your text box where you typed fades from white to green instead of instantly changing from white to green. Cool.... :-/ Another one is scrubbing speed when you hold the white dot in the song progress bar, a lot easier to find certain parts of a song.

mkvowner

Apr 14, 2009, 11:17 PM

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I bet you they will. The double tap will be essential to switching between apps. Double tapping will take you to the previous app. That will enable to multitasking when using 2 apps. Think about it.

There will be no multitasking on iPhone, they already announced that...

MikeTheC

Apr 14, 2009, 11:22 PM

As an iPod Touch user, I'm really looking forward to this. For most things the 2.x OS is decent enough, but I'm positively jonzing for copy-and-paste. It would, amongst other things, make my life here when I'm using my Touch a whole lot easier and nicer.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:30 PM

There will be no multitasking on iPhone, they already announced that...

Alright lets get something straight because if there is one thing that I do not like is people who pretend to understand the iphone enviroment, I append here below a list of application that are able to work on the background:

1)
phone app
ipod app
voice recording (except when phone app is making a call)
Internet tethering (not exactly an app but still)

2) When I stated multitasking, i did not choose the sentence "working in the background" thus I did not imply that any iphone app would just work in the background, there is the "notification service" for that. What I meant was that if double tapping would take you to the previous app you been working on, it could potentially enable you to switch between 2 apps that you want to interact with.

Hope this is clear.

SFC Archer

Apr 14, 2009, 11:33 PM

Alright lets get something straight because if there is one thing that I do not like is people who pretend to understand the iphone enviroment, I append here below a list of application that are able to work on the background:

1)
phone app
ipod app
voice recording (except when phone app is making a call)
Internet tethering (not exactly an app but still)

2) When I stated multitasking, i did not choose the sentence "working in the background" thus I did not imply that any iphone app would just work in the background, there is the "notification service" for that. What I meant was that if double tapping would take you to the previous app you been working on, it could potentially enable you to switch between 2 apps that you want to interact with.

Hope this is clear.

...as mud

You forgot Safari...it also works in the background

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:34 PM

I cant imagine them making the double-click function the way you describe.

Well, Why not. It is an option I would choose over the ipod controls. What do you think?

mkvowner

Apr 14, 2009, 11:34 PM

Alright lets get something straight because if there is one thing that I do not like is people who pretend to understand the iphone enviroment, I append here below a list of application that are able to work on the background:

1)
phone app
ipod app
voice recording (except when phone app is making a call)
Internet tethering (not exactly an app but still)

2) When I stated multitasking, i did not choose the sentence "working in the background" thus I did not imply that any iphone app would just work in the background, there is the "notification service" for that. What I meant was that if double tapping would take you to the previous app you been working on, it could potentially enable you to switch between 2 apps that you want to interact with.

Hope this is clear.

Calm down papichullo. I just took you for a n00b who had no idea what you were talking about, I didn't know you were the defender of the universe.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:34 PM

...as mud

You forgot Safari...it also works in the background

How does it work in the background. I do not think so.

mkvowner

Apr 14, 2009, 11:35 PM

...as mud

You forgot Safari...it also works in the background

...and Mail. SMS. haha. well thought.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:36 PM

Calm down papichullo. I just took you for a n00b who had no idea what you were talking about, I didn't know you were the defender of the universe.

I was hoping you would add something of substance.

mkvowner

Apr 14, 2009, 11:36 PM

How does it work in the background. I do not think so.

Safari maintains open webpages in RAM until the memory is needed at which point it is written to the drive.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:36 PM

...and Mail. SMS. haha. well thought.

Nope, Nope. They do not work in the background.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:38 PM

Safari maintains open webpages in RAM until the memory is needed at which point it is written to the drive.

It is one thing to be maintained the memory and another thing to process data and interact with the processor while you interact with another app.

mkvowner

Apr 14, 2009, 11:38 PM

Nope, Nope. They do not work in the background.

Wrong! If you check running processes, Mail is constantly connecting to the server to check for emails. And I'm guessing the iPod app receives texts when SMS isn't open...

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:41 PM

Wrong! If you check running processes, Mail is constantly connecting to the server to check for emails. And I'm guessing the iPod app receives texts when SMS isn't open...

Are you defending the notion that ipod, phone, voice recording, internet tethering that clearly work in the background is the same as a connection to a server that open up every 15min?

SFC Archer

Apr 14, 2009, 11:41 PM

It is one thing to be maintained the memory and another thing to process data and interact with the processor while you interact with another app.

If you close Safari with a web page open, it continues to use 5mb of processing...I tested it and that means the app is running in the background. Same for Mail and the rest.

Get FreeMemory or Memoryinfo and see for yourself...if it is using memory it is running in the background...duh:rolleyes:

vansouza

Apr 14, 2009, 11:42 PM

So to clarify... can someone with beta 3 installed tell us if all non 3.0 apps are or are NOT working?

Please only beta 3 users comment.

I don't have "all" apps but one that was not working with beta 2 is now working with beta 3.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:43 PM

If you close Safari with a web page open, it continues to use 5mb of processing...I tested it and that means the app is running in the background. Same for Mail and the rest.

Get FreeMemory or Memoryinfo and see for yourself...if it is using memory it is running in the background...duh:rolleyes:

Wrong, you know you are wrong and we all know very well what "working in the background" means.
what is that safari does when supposedly "works in the background" I am curious to find out.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:44 PM

I don't have "all" apps but one that was not working with beta 2 is now working with beta 3.

Can you please provide the name of the app?

Luke1robb

Apr 14, 2009, 11:45 PM

SFC Archer

Apr 14, 2009, 11:48 PM

Wrong, you know you are wrong and we all know very well what "working in the background" means.
what is that safari does when supposedly "works in the background" I am curious to find out.

Like I said, get one of the memory apps so that you can SEE for your self what is RUNNING and USING the PROCESSOR in the BACKGROUND. Its not my job to know what is running only that it is and that is why some apps crash because the memory is all used up.

I am done...I am not gonna argue about something so minor. Here is an :apple: to chew on for awhile:D

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:49 PM

Like I said, get one of the memory apps so that you can SEE for your self what is RUNNING and USING the PROCESSOR in the BACKGROUND. Its not my job to know what is running only that it is and that is why some apps crash because the memory is all used up.

I am done...I am not gonna argue about something so minor. Here is an :apple: to chew on for awhile:D

alright, alright. Just to let people know what we meant buddy. who wants to add confusion to the mix.

mkvowner

Apr 14, 2009, 11:50 PM

Are you defending the notion that ipod, phone, voice recording, internet tethering that clearly work in the background is the same as a connection to a server that open up every 15min?

Actually I'm referring to push and MobileMe. I've never used any other email on iPhone but mail really wouldn't need to be running for something like fetch.

dlpmaster

Apr 14, 2009, 11:51 PM

So I was pocking through and noticed that "Internet Tethering" is enabled on my Phone!

http://arredsigns.com/iPhone/snaps/IMG_0472.PNG
http://arredsigns.com/iPhone/snaps/IMG_0473.PNG

bizzaregood

Apr 14, 2009, 11:52 PM

Screenshot?

"Dock connector" ?

Im not seeing that.

But who ever mentioned the song scrubbing nice!! im not sure if thats new from beta 1 to 2 or 2 to 3 but i know its new to 3.0

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:52 PM

Actually I'm referring to push and MobileMe. I've never used any other email on iPhone but mail really wouldn't need to be running for something like fetch.

Correct.

If something will be running in the background besides what we have talked about that will be the UPNS and that will include the push for apple's mail app (MobileMe) as well.

Petrochik

Apr 14, 2009, 11:53 PM

So I was pocking through and noticed that "Internet Tethering" is enabled on my Phone!

http://arredsigns.com/iPhone/snaps/IMG_0472.PNG
http://arredsigns.com/iPhone/snaps/IMG_0473.PNG

Nice.

iphonerain

Apr 15, 2009, 12:06 AM

can't wait to see what they added! i'm crossing my fingers for the final one to come out sooooon!

raptorlol

Apr 15, 2009, 12:11 AM

fring wont work anymore on beta 3 :(

edit: over 3g :p

lostfan916

Apr 15, 2009, 12:15 AM

"Dock connector" ?

Im not seeing that.

But who ever mentioned the song scrubbing nice!! im not sure if thats new from beta 1 to 2 or 2 to 3 but i know its new to 3.0

Here's some screen caps for that

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=7464544&postcount=205

Warbrain

Apr 15, 2009, 12:30 AM

So I was pocking through and noticed that "Internet Tethering" is enabled on my Phone!

http://arredsigns.com/iPhone/snaps/IMG_0472.PNG
http://arredsigns.com/iPhone/snaps/IMG_0473.PNG

I just checked that now myself...YES!

wildonrio

Apr 15, 2009, 12:36 AM

Nope, Nope. They do not work in the background.

Yes, yes they do. When you send an SMS, close the app right away and your text will still send. Same thing with sending and receiving an email.

rbisconti97

Apr 15, 2009, 01:01 AM

can anyone tell me if the landscape sms is fixed. before when you sent a sms in landscape then put your phone in sleep, when you receive a reply in that conversation after you unlock the status bar would be on left instead of on top... again this is when you unlock while sms is in landscape.

Zincous

Apr 15, 2009, 01:02 AM

DELLsFan

Apr 15, 2009, 01:03 AM

Go Go Team 3.0! Can't wait to install the final version this summer.

:cool:

rbisconti97

Apr 15, 2009, 01:07 AM

landscape sms working properly?? anyone? thats all i want to know. Oh, and does sms come up in search results in spotlight, beta 2 didn't for me.
Thanks!

RxMac

Apr 15, 2009, 01:57 AM

Not for AT&T U.S. phones :(

O really???? I think you might be wrong.

RxMac

Apr 15, 2009, 02:03 AM

And usb too???

monkthehonk

Apr 15, 2009, 02:16 AM

Does anyone know if At&T charges you extra right now if you tether through the beta or if it just goes under your unlimited data plan. Thanks

vansouza

Apr 15, 2009, 02:35 AM

Can you please provide the name of the app?

US West
G Map US West

appleguru1

Apr 15, 2009, 03:00 AM

Does anyone know if At&T charges you extra right now if you tether through the beta or if it just goes under your unlimited data plan. Thanks

Tethering through the data plan without a tethering plan violates the at&t TOS and you could be subject to additional charges... it does work though. When 3.0 becomes official I'd imagine AT&T will offer a tethering plan for the iPhone like the do for blackberries, etc...

To get it working currently you need to install a modified ipcc file anyways...

TheMerovingian

Apr 15, 2009, 03:06 AM

Anybody notice that on a 1st gen phone, under network and cellular data network, it is a blank page and you cant enter an apn or username/password. :(

appleguru1

Apr 15, 2009, 03:24 AM

Anybody notice that on a 1st gen phone, under network and cellular data network, it is a blank page and you cant enter an apn or username/password. :(

Just crashes for me... (iphone 3g)

TheMerovingian

Apr 15, 2009, 03:29 AM

This is quite bad news for me as I am not an AT&T user. I hope someone figures out a solution for this. I wonder if setting the APN settings in 2.2.1 then upgrading again will work.

appleguru1

Apr 15, 2009, 03:36 AM

This is quite bad news for me as I am not an AT&T user. I hope someone figures out a solution for this. I wonder if setting the APN settings in 2.2.1 then upgrading again will work.

You can set your apn settings in a custom ipcc file and then update your carrier settings with your new modified ipcc...

TheMerovingian

Apr 15, 2009, 03:40 AM

You can set your apn settings in a custom ipcc file and then update your carrier settings with your new modified ipcc...

Edit: is there a way to message other users on here?

TheMerovingian

Apr 15, 2009, 03:43 AM

Edit: is there a way to message other users on here?

I don't know how to use/where to find/how to edit ipcc files. I'm a t-mobile US user

Bevz

Apr 15, 2009, 03:50 AM

For those who seem to have tethering working "out the box", did you do anything to get it working? I don't see the option on my phone?

himansk

Apr 15, 2009, 04:06 AM

I don't know how to use/where to find/how to edit ipcc files. I'm a t-mobile US user

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/19/how-to-enable-tethering-under-iphone-firmware-30/

Jeremy08

Apr 15, 2009, 04:07 AM

Tethering through the data plan without a tethering plan violates the at&t TOS and you could be subject to additional charges... it does work though. When 3.0 becomes official I'd imagine AT&T will offer a tethering plan for the iPhone like the do for blackberries, etc...

To get it working currently you need to install a modified ipcc file anyways...

i noticed you are successfully using bluetooth output for music, how did you accomplish this in 3.0? Also, how do you have a % marker for your battery?

ipoppy

Apr 15, 2009, 06:19 AM

I will be happy if some developer will crack OS 3.0 and find some traces of iChat AV there. Strangely there is not much info about it yet. :(

hchapr

Apr 15, 2009, 07:00 AM

Dont work Skype over 3G with this BETA 3
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elec999

Apr 15, 2009, 07:06 AM

How do you Tethered with this firmware.
Thanks

PartisanEntity

Apr 15, 2009, 07:30 AM

What I would love to see one day, is the ability to control the ipod feature using finger swipes, swipe right and left for next and previous track, up and down for volume, double tap to pause.

This is one of the main reason I jailbreak my phone, so I can install Pockettouch, which does this.

I have mentioned it to Apple but received no feedback and am not sure if this is high up on their to do list.

But I think it would really boost the user experience if you do not have to look at the screen to control the ipod feature.

Yorick

Apr 15, 2009, 07:33 AM

Tethering still works perfectly on my iPhone 3G over AT&T with Beta 3.

Could you please explain how to set this up at a mac? Couldn't get this to work :(

javaGuru

Apr 15, 2009, 07:36 AM

O really???? I think you might be wrong.

I don't see the option for tethering either.

andybno1

Apr 15, 2009, 07:47 AM

I don't see the option for tethering either.

Could you please explain how to set this up at a mac? Couldn't get this to work :(

see post 162

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/03/19/how-to-enable-tethering-under-iphone-firmware-30/

Nightcasino

Apr 15, 2009, 08:20 AM

Morning,

In several posts here I have noticed that you have the battery icon and also the % of the battery to the left of the existing icon. How do you enable that feature or find it?

Silverado

Apr 15, 2009, 08:26 AM

I noticed that beta 3 now allows you to activate passcode lock at time intervals other than immediately. This is old functionality that was missing from the last two betas (and was very annoying).

Kahnyl

Apr 15, 2009, 08:34 AM

I'm now able to watch normal quality YouTube on 3G instead of the mobile quality stream that I always used to get. I still get the mobile one on Edge. The normal quality takes about 10 seconds to start but after that streams perfectly. I'm on O2 Ireland.

fishkorp

Apr 15, 2009, 08:56 AM

Ubuntu

Apr 15, 2009, 09:04 AM

Yes, on this beta release.

This is good, it will piss off the pirates.

Did any pirates even manage to get the beta to work? Last I heard was many pirates having bricked phones.

RTiii320

Apr 15, 2009, 09:34 AM

Not for AT&T U.S. phones :(

Maybe not for yours, I am in the US on AT&T and tethering works FINE.:)

elbirth

Apr 15, 2009, 10:04 AM

i noticed you are successfully using bluetooth output for music, how did you accomplish this in 3.0? Also, how do you have a % marker for your battery?

It's not my screenshot you were referring to, but my iPhone is able to music over Bluetooth in my car ever since the first 3.0 beta (I can't control things like pause/next/etc though). I haven't updated to beta 3 yet so I'm not sure if any of that has changed.

To get it working, though, you need to first pair the Bluetooth device with your phone- in settings, open up Bluetooth and the iPhone will become discoverable... put your Bluetooth device in discoverable mode and they should find one another and give you the option to enter the pairing PIN.

Once they're paired, the iPhone should automatically connect when the Bluetooth device is in range. In order to play the music through that device, bring up the iPod controls like in that screenshot (double tap the home button while music is playing) and tap the little Bluetooth icon. It'll then give you the option of choosing to play either through the iPhone or Bluetooth.

This works nearly perfectly for me in my car. Once I start up my car, my iPhone automatically syncs and if I get a call, it comes in through the car's speakers over Bluetooth. I have to manually tell the iPhone to play music through the car though... it always leaves the iPhone speakers as the default source for some reason.

coleridge78

Apr 15, 2009, 10:05 AM

Safari does indeed work in the background (for the doubters). To prove it, go to a page that plays some sort of stream that will open in the browser's QuickTime control. You can then hit the home screen to go back to the Springboard and open another app and the sound will still be playing. That's how I listened to SHOUTcast streams before 2.0. Sometimes I still do that so that I can use another app while listening (until they let the dam iPod app play SHOUTcast streams :( grrr).

That's not Safari. Safari hands off the stream to QT for playback. When you go to the Springboard, etc and the stream keeps playing, it is controlled by the same mechanism that keeps synched iTunes music playing no matter what else you're doing. QT, not Safari.

Also, to the person upthread who was adamantly confused about RAM vs processor and "running in the background"... use of RAM has nothing to do with running. "Running" means something is using the CPU. Safari is put to sleep when you switch away from it. The process is not torn down, and it keeps its memory (as long as you have enough available), so that you can switch back to it without having to start it up all over again. "Sleep" is a Unix process concept that allows for a program to stay available in this manner but (and this is key) it CANNOT USE THE PROCESSOR while in this state. In plain English, Safari is sitting there pining for you but can't actually do anything.

Jayomat

Apr 15, 2009, 10:11 AM

i really hope they can make the iCal "to-dos" sync with my touch.... THAT WOULD BE GREAT.... i don't understand why the software is lacking of this feature (lacking of? is that correctly used? ;) )... it cannot be too hart to implement, they just need an "interface" for this "app"....

DaveTaylor

Apr 15, 2009, 11:00 AM

how you guys get battery percentage up O_O?

andybno1

Apr 15, 2009, 11:07 AM

the percentage could be a left over from a previous jailbreak...... feel free to correct me on that

iMacoo7

Apr 15, 2009, 11:09 AM

Since allot have been poking around with the new sdk, any new features emerge as of yet?Besides the ones already mentioned?

diamond.g

Apr 15, 2009, 11:19 AM

Can anyone check to see if the youtube restrictions extends to the youtube website? As is it right now you can disable the application, but still watch videos off the site.

TheOrioles33

Apr 15, 2009, 11:31 AM

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/7A280f Safari/525.20)

jailbreaking is for kids.

There’s about 5 millions "kids" out there that would disagree with you. Most people that don’t jailbreak either don’t know about it or they are not intelligent enough to figure it out. You may think its for playing GameBoy games but I use it for lots of apps that are unavailable to the average user.

hashholly

Apr 15, 2009, 12:21 PM

There’s about 5 millions "kids" out there that would disagree with you. Most people that don’t jailbreak either don’t know about it or they are not intelligent enough to figure it out. You may think its for playing GameBoy games but I use it for lots of apps that are unavailable to the average user.

Most people that dont jailbreak simply don't care. Btw, where did you pull this 5 million jailbroken phones number from?

TheOrioles33

Apr 15, 2009, 12:45 PM

Most people that dont jailbreak simply don't care. Btw, where did you pull this 5 million jailbroken phones number from?

I was going to add the "dont care" option but forgot. I heard that figure somewhere before. Not sure where. It's definitely in the millions though.

Gyrferret

Apr 15, 2009, 12:45 PM

I dunno if this was answered before, but are you able to customize the "double click" home button feature on iPODS?

BeSweeet

Apr 15, 2009, 12:47 PM

How come they call it "seed"? It's not like they are distributing this stuff through torrents.

Luke1robb

Apr 15, 2009, 01:40 PM

So I was pocking through and noticed that "Internet Tethering" is enabled on my Phone!

http://arredsigns.com/iPhone/snaps/IMG_0472.PNG

Does the tethering option appear without any other modifications?

iPaf

Apr 15, 2009, 01:49 PM

Ok, so tethering is allowed but Skype doesn't work over 3G...

Why not make Skype calls on computer while tethering? I know it's not the best solution, but when you don't have a WIFI connection, it's still better than nothing!

I always keep my Macbook with me anyway...

elbirth

Apr 15, 2009, 02:33 PM

How come they call it "seed"? It's not like they are distributing this stuff through torrents.

The term "seed" did not begin with bittorrent, so that has no relevance.

It's used in a number of areas, such as bittorrent as you mentioned, but also (and before bittorrent came around) in sports, plant seeds, etc. If you look up the definition of "seed" you'll see that one of the definitions is as follows:

"a source of development or growth"

Seeing as how a series of beta firmwares is a stage of development, it fits pretty well.

edit: That definition also explains why the term seed is used in regards to bittorrent in case you were wondering about that as well. The person that acts as the source of [growth for] the file to be sent out is the seed. From there, it goes to others, who later become additional sources, or seeds.

Bevz

Apr 15, 2009, 02:52 PM

I am taking the total lack of response over posts asking about the above in beta 3 as an admission that all those that have it working are using modified install packages or jailbroken phones ;)

appleguru1

Apr 15, 2009, 03:10 PM

It's not my screenshot you were referring to, but my iPhone is able to music over Bluetooth in my car ever since the first 3.0 beta (I can't control things like pause/next/etc though). I haven't updated to beta 3 yet so I'm not sure if any of that has changed.

To get it working, though, you need to first pair the Bluetooth device with your phone- in settings, open up Bluetooth and the iPhone will become discoverable... put your Bluetooth device in discoverable mode and they should find one another and give you the option to enter the pairing PIN.

Once they're paired, the iPhone should automatically connect when the Bluetooth device is in range. In order to play the music through that device, bring up the iPod controls like in that screenshot (double tap the home button while music is playing) and tap the little Bluetooth icon. It'll then give you the option of choosing to play either through the iPhone or Bluetooth.

This works nearly perfectly for me in my car. Once I start up my car, my iPhone automatically syncs and if I get a call, it comes in through the car's speakers over Bluetooth. I have to manually tell the iPhone to play music through the car though... it always leaves the iPhone speakers as the default source for some reason.

In beta 3 pause from the headset works.. still can't skip tracks yet though :/

elbirth

Apr 15, 2009, 03:10 PM

I am taking the total lack of response over posts asking about the above in beta 3 as an admission that all those that have it working are using modified install packages or jailbroken phones ;)

I'd say it's almost guaranteed it's from having jailbroken their phone. Even if they install the new firmware over top of it so it's no longer jailbroken, it's been seen that a few remnants like that do tend to stick around and the battery percentage is one of them.

appleguru1

Apr 15, 2009, 03:12 PM

I am taking the total lack of response over posts asking about the above in beta 3 as an admission that all those that have it working are using modified install packages or jailbroken phones ;)

No.. my iPhone is not jailbroken.. the % battery is a holdover from my 2.x fw (which was jailbroken); I upgraded and had % battery enabled then.. its just a plist entry and it gets carried over when you update. Tethering can be enabled by installing a custom ipcc file, which again, does not require a jailbreak.

elbirth

Apr 15, 2009, 03:14 PM

In beta 3 pause from the headset works.. still can't skip tracks yet though :/

well that's something, at least. I'm really hoping they have full AVRCP support for Bluetooth (which gives the controls) since they're already adding A2DP. I always use the controls on my car's steering wheel and would love to be able to skip tracks with it.
I was also able to download my iPhone's address book to my car and can use the in-dash screen to select names to call and such, instead of having to take the phone out of my pocket or speak the number to dial... I really want to be able to also see all of the tracks on my iPhone as well. When I go to the track list screen, it has the list fields, but there's no information populated in them :(

hashholly

Apr 15, 2009, 03:32 PM

No.. my iPhone is not jailbroken.. the % battery is a holdover from my 2.x fw (which was jailbroken); I upgraded and had % battery enabled then.. its just a plist entry and it gets carried over when you update. Tethering can be enabled by installing a custom ipcc file, which again, does not require a jailbreak.

can you share this custom ipcc file?

SFC Archer

Apr 15, 2009, 05:32 PM

can you share this custom ipcc file?

No...and please stop asking! It is against Apple Policy and MR forum rules!!!

You will totally mess up your iPhone if you do it. If you wish to become a developer then go HERE (http://developer.apple.com/iphone/index.action). If you wish to become a beta tester then watch for posts that are looking for beta testors, usually in the App Store.

roberry82

Apr 15, 2009, 06:01 PM

I thought I saw previous screen shots from the preferences that allowed you to turn battery % on or off in the new 3.0 firmware? Am I wrong? I thought this was a new feature?

AnDi86

Apr 15, 2009, 06:02 PM

Anyone else's Camera app appear to have something missing from bottom left of the screen?
http://www.maclovin.co.uk/camera.PNG

DaveTaylor

Apr 15, 2009, 06:05 PM

I thought I saw previous screen shots from the preferences that allowed you to turn battery % on or off in the new 3.0 firmware? Am I wrong? I thought this was a new feature?

so did I.

ronnyek

Apr 15, 2009, 06:14 PM

Anyone else's Camera app appear to have something missing from bottom left of the screen?
http://www.maclovin.co.uk/camera.PNG

Actually that is populated once you take a picture... its previous picture taken... so you can jump back and do something with it.

elbirth

Apr 15, 2009, 06:31 PM

Actually that is populated once you take a picture... its previous picture taken... so you can jump back and do something with it.

yeah, this seems to be done by design and was like that since the beginning of the 3.0 beta, although it was black to begin with. Once you take a picture, the image shrinks and zooms down to that square, where you can then click on it to see the image and share it or whatever

iPhonePhan

Apr 15, 2009, 07:07 PM

Anyone have the issue that whilst updating the iPhone to 3.0, after several restarts, you keep coming back to the spinning white tiles screen with the Apple Logo in the background?

I've now seen the iPhone reboot no less than 5x's and each time it seems to reboot after the spinning white tiles appear. :(

SFC Archer

Apr 15, 2009, 07:20 PM

andreab35

Apr 15, 2009, 07:20 PM

O really???? I think you might be wrong.

You all must be lucky.
Some people have said they've gotten tethering enabled just magically, I haven't, and I'm on AT&T on my 3G plan.
Some say now MMS works. Not for I.
Additionally, some people claim they get a battery percentage next to their battery symbol.. again, not I!

But at least YouTube works now for me, I guess that is a plus side up!

Additionally, things are much snappier now.
Can't wait for the next release again! :cool:

iphoneguy22

Apr 15, 2009, 09:28 PM

archurban

Apr 15, 2009, 09:42 PM

Some 2.0 apps did not run on 3.0 but they now do or mostly do with this upgrade.. that is what I gather.

it's been a while since 3.0 came out. that's why I don't install it into my iphone. I only test it with second Gen. touch. but as people say it is not for everyday use. actually many apps are not really compatible with it yet. crash, open up & freeze, graphic performance lagging, and so on especially in games.

Petrochik

Apr 15, 2009, 11:47 PM

Alright lets get something straight because if there is one thing that I do not like is people who pretend to understand the iphone enviroment, I append here below a list of application that are able to work on the background:

1)
phone app
ipod app
voice recording (except when phone app is making a call)
Internet tethering (not exactly an app but still)

2) When I stated multitasking, i did not choose the sentence "working in the background" thus I did not imply that any iphone app would just work in the background, there is the "notification service" for that. What I meant was that if double tapping would take you to the previous app you been working on, it could potentially enable you to switch between 2 apps that you want to interact with.

Hope this is clear.

Just an addition here to the background apps:

*******
It looks like podcast through itunes are able to stream in the background without the need to download them first and without the need to keep itunes/quicktime open. Nice addition apple.

Petrochik

Apr 15, 2009, 11:48 PM

I was searching the new beta of iPHone 3.0 and I found plug-ins in the safari settings tab, and it was turned off. Is this new in iPhone 3.0? I have't really heard anything about plug-is for mobile safari

plug-in are for web apps i think. Web app are able to store data on the phone and even run offline. that one is a real step forward not even desktop web apps offer that.

elec999

Apr 16, 2009, 12:25 AM

I keep on getting no sim card in. I take out the sim put back in. And then reset network settings. Never happened in OS 3 beta 2.
Thank you

EIGHTYFO

Apr 16, 2009, 03:18 AM

Dexter11

Apr 16, 2009, 05:52 AM

Hi guys was buying something from the app store on my iPhone 3.0 and get this screen.

Is this new or was it in the previous 3.0 releases?

Kahnyl

Apr 16, 2009, 08:31 AM

Just an addition here to the background apps:

*******
It looks like podcast through itunes are able to stream in the background without the need to download them first and without the need to keep itunes/quicktime open. Nice addition apple.

That's been there since 2.x

Mad Devil

Apr 16, 2009, 10:05 AM

Guys, I cannot paste photos in Messages in order to send it as MMS in Beta 3.
I was able to paste photos in Beta 2 but unfortunately they were sent as txt witought photos, but now with this beta I can't actualy paste any photos!!

Note: my carrier ipcc file was modified by a friend ever since Beta 2

diemos

Apr 16, 2009, 11:40 AM

I actually like the idea of the last picture icon, but where is the icon to go back to the gallery of all your pictures. Didn't it replace another icon that was there?

SFC Archer

Apr 16, 2009, 11:44 AM

I actually like the idea of the last picture icon, but where is the icon to go back to the gallery of all your pictures. Didn't it replace another icon that was there?

Click the icon and see where it takes you....it does double duty:)

pardity

Apr 16, 2009, 12:36 PM

Hi guys!

Im a apple developer and updated to Beta 3 for a couple of hours ago, I tried to recover my iPhone from an beta 3 [2] backup but it wont work.

My contacts are lost and all my pictures too, anyone know a fix to this problem?

Best Regards,

Charlie

Charlie, just because you paid a developer to add ur udid to their developer account doesn't make you a developer. 2, if you we're a developer or even a half way intelligent iphone user you would understand the basic concept of syncing your pictures and contacts via itunes.. Not flaming, just saying.. :apple:

pardity

Apr 16, 2009, 12:38 PM

Hi guys was buying something from the app store on my iPhone 3.0 and get this screen.

Is this new or was it in the previous 3.0 releases?

always been there, once you enter your email/username the first time it's no longer there until you upgrade again

Sehnsucht

Apr 16, 2009, 12:53 PM

YouTube finally works. Much smoother feel all around. :D

EDIT: Just noticed this...I can now use the button on the Apple headphones to control the music just like with the new iPod shuffle...click twice to go to the next song, three times to go back.

Mad Devil

Apr 16, 2009, 01:29 PM

elbirth

Apr 16, 2009, 02:21 PM

Charlie, just because you paid a developer to add ur udid to their developer account doesn't make you a developer. 2, if you we're a developer or even a half way intelligent iphone user you would understand the basic concept of syncing your pictures and contacts via itunes.. Not flaming, just saying.. :apple:

Not to defend him or challenge you, but depending on a few things, he may have a point. I use a Mac so I know all of my contacts get synced with my computer's address book and it's not an issue.. however I have PC friends who say their contact information seems to be nowhere on their computer that they can tell. Maybe it's saved in some obscure location or just held within iTunes somehow, I don't know.

Also, somewhat similar with photos- on a Mac it syncs fine with iPhoto if you're talking about pictures you sync from your computer in the first place. However, if you haven't manually saved the pictures on your camera roll elsewhere, if you can't restore from an iPhone backup, they're lost. I found this out the hard way when I did a fresh install back on 2.1

MXChristian11

Apr 16, 2009, 05:19 PM

I just updated my phone to the new beta release, and to my surprise, after it restarted from being updated, it still had all my content on it and media. I didn't have to restore from backup or re-sync anything!! :eek: First time this has ever happened to me!

I think it is pretty cool, because it usually takes me about 3 to 4 hours to get everything updated, synced, and restored. The whole process only took about 5 minutes! Ahhh, how awesome! :D

Petrochik

Apr 16, 2009, 05:25 PM

MXChristian11

Apr 16, 2009, 05:44 PM

This is because you have chosen to check for updates using the alt key instead of choosing to restore.

Not true, Both times I have updated in the betas (1&2) I chose "check for update" yet I still had to restore from backup and sync.

anyways, pretty cool.

elbirth

Apr 16, 2009, 08:00 PM

Not true, Both times I have updated in the betas (1&2) I chose "check for update" yet I still had to restore from backup and sync.

anyways, pretty cool.

Go into settings and double check your firmware version. If it's true, that's pretty awesome, but I very highly doubt any of the firmware installs would ever only take 5 minutes and not make you have to reinstall everything from a backup. It doesn't just "upgrade" the firmware, it overwrites the whole thing.

MXChristian11

Apr 16, 2009, 08:28 PM

Go into settings and double check your firmware version. If it's true, that's pretty awesome, but I very highly doubt any of the firmware installs would ever only take 5 minutes and not make you have to reinstall everything from a backup. It doesn't just "upgrade" the firmware, it overwrites the whole thing.

And that's what I thought! But I have triple checked, and I have 3.0 build 7A280f!! It's really weird that that had happened. That is the first thing that i thought that happened, saying it installed but hadn't.

But nope, it installed and, to be more precise, took about 7 minutes. ;)

Silverado

Apr 18, 2009, 12:34 AM

EDIT: Just noticed this...I can now use the button on the Apple headphones to control the music just like with the new iPod shuffle...click twice to go to the next song, three times to go back.
The double click has been there since the first iPhone came out and the triple click was added in the general release 2.x software a while ago.