Apple Seeds OS X 10.5.7 Build 9J50 to Developers, Public Release Imminent? [Archive]

MacRumors

Apr 15, 2009, 12:24 PM

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Just four days after the last developer seed (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/11/os-x-10-5-7-build-9j47-seeded-to-developers/), Apple has released yet another version of OS X 10.5.7 to developers. The new seed, designated Build 9J50, contains only a single documented fix related to Bluetooth networking. World of Apple republishes (http://news.worldofapple.com/archives/2009/04/15/latest-mac-os-x-1057-release-suggests-release-nearing-seed-notes/) the seed notes, revealing the extensive list of changes made throughout the series of developer seeds and noting that the inability to install Safari 4 Beta remains the only documented known issue.

The increased pace of developer releases and the small number of changes in each iteration suggest that work on OS X 10.5.7 is wrapping up and that a public release should be expected in the near future.

Article Link: Apple Seeds OS X 10.5.7 Build 9J50 to Developers, Public Release Imminent? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/15/apple-seeds-os-x-10-5-7-build-9j50-to-developers-public-release-imminent/)

themoonisdown09

Apr 15, 2009, 12:25 PM

I predict it comes out on Tuesday, April 20 April 21.

Eric S.

Apr 15, 2009, 12:26 PM

I predict it comes out on Tuesday, April 20.

Nah, I bet it's this week. Anyway I'm glad to see Apple is focusing on fixing sync issues.

samh004

Apr 15, 2009, 12:28 PM

What's the deal with not supporting Safari 4? Will a new build of Safari be needed before the update, or be included in it?

flopticalcube

Apr 15, 2009, 12:28 PM

My guess is the Safari 4 remains in Beta while 10.5.7 gets pushed out.

fleshman03

Apr 15, 2009, 12:31 PM

My guess is the Safari 4 remains in Beta while 10.5.7 gets pushed out.

I would have thought it would be released w/ Snow Leopard. It's a bit intensive and some of the new technology in that release might help performance.

Also, I guess 10.5.7 is released on Tuesday.

AstoriaMac

Apr 15, 2009, 12:32 PM

Safari 4 Beta killed me on 10.5.6. What a pain that was... I hope they release full version soon. :confused:

Plymouthbreezer

Apr 15, 2009, 12:34 PM

Woah! Talk about... Ahead of schedule.

Let's hope the developers are working hard... I HATE bugs.

fishkorp

Apr 15, 2009, 12:38 PM

10.5.1 = Thursday release
10.5.2 = Monday release
10.5.3 = Wednesday release
10.5.4 = Monday release
10.5.5 = Monday release
10.5.6 = Monday release

My guess is that it will be available on Monday.

Mr_Ed

Apr 15, 2009, 12:39 PM

I hope the video drivers in this release will allow use of the 4870 on older Mac Pros (even if not officially supported). I've read some things that indicate that may be possible.

fishkorp

Apr 15, 2009, 12:41 PM

Woah! Talk about... Ahead of schedule.

Let's hope the developers are working hard... I HATE bugs.

How do you figure it's ahead of schedule? We've been expecting this for a while now based on how quickly new builds were being seeded. Or were you thinking of 10.6?

pokeyjoe

Apr 15, 2009, 12:42 PM

I predict it comes out on Tuesday, April 20.
I think everyone missed this. I'm thinking Monday, April 21st.

PMR

Apr 15, 2009, 12:42 PM

Still safari 4? It's embarrassing not being able to install and how it handles some animated gifs. It's 2009 for God's sake.

Hard-Hat-Mac

Apr 15, 2009, 12:44 PM

bartzilla

Apr 15, 2009, 12:44 PM

What's the deal with not supporting Safari 4?

The fact that mixing beta releases of important software increases the chances of your test machine experiencing a horrible horrible crash while decreasing their chances of getting useful bug reports from the aforementioned crash?

chedda

Apr 15, 2009, 12:44 PM

Woah! Talk about... Ahead of schedule.

Let's hope the developers are working hard... I HATE bugs.

So this is just Leopard right because snow leopard will be 10.6 ? Tiger took updates to 10.4.11 so i guess there are still more Leopard updates on the horizon.

talkingfuture

Apr 15, 2009, 12:45 PM

Seems like they have been seeding this forever. I wonder how many more 10.5.x's will come before 10.6 1? 2 at a push?

Lordedmond

Apr 15, 2009, 12:48 PM

9J50 seems a nice round number for the public release :D

o0samotech0o

Apr 15, 2009, 12:49 PM

Mac OS X 10.5 is going to be so perfect, nobody will buy Snow Leopard! :) lol
Jokes. But I don't see many flaws with 10.5 really, apart from stacks. And the fact i want 3d desktops compulsory, don't know why. Just do. lol

-Sam

bogg

Apr 15, 2009, 12:50 PM

unreliable sources say friday

Full of Win

Apr 15, 2009, 12:53 PM

I hear it will come out on Wedthursday.

h.21

Apr 15, 2009, 12:55 PM

I predict it comes out on Tuesday, April 20.

The development cycle for OS X updates fall outside of their normal "release it on Tuesday" product cycle. Besides, the 20th is a Monday.

Classy icon, btw. /sarcasm

The fact that mixing beta releases of important software increases the chances of your test machine experiencing a horrible horrible crash while decreasing their chances of getting useful bug reports from the aforementioned crash?

QFT. Some people on this site have no clue.

twoodcc

Apr 15, 2009, 12:58 PM

seems like it should be out soon. maybe this week or next

Eric S.

Apr 15, 2009, 12:59 PM

The development cycle for OS X updates fall outside of their normal "release it on Tuesday" product cycle.

There have been 12 Monday OS X updates, 9 on Tuesday, 10 on Wednesday, 7 on Thursday, 4 on Friday, and 1 on Saturday (the very first one - 10.0.1).

I guess based on the historical pattern the odds decrease as we get later in the week. :rolleyes:

Kilamite

Apr 15, 2009, 12:59 PM

My guess is the Safari 4 remains in Beta while 10.5.7 gets pushed out.

It will remain in beta and I think it'll be released with SL too, but what about people who are currently using the Safari 4 beta...? It is a public beta after all..

samh004

Apr 15, 2009, 01:03 PM

Wirelessly posted (iPod touch: Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5H11 Safari/525.20)

The fact that mixing beta releases of important software increases the chances of your test machine experiencing a horrible horrible crash while decreasing their chances of getting useful bug reports from the aforementioned crash?

You make a good point. So the safari 4 limitation isn't a bug. It'll be lifted for the final release? Good to know. Experiencing no problems with it.

As fir release date, couldn't care less when. I'm just dreading it's size. It's gotta be huge by now.

kockgunner

Apr 15, 2009, 01:06 PM

How imminent is it this time?

alm99

Apr 15, 2009, 01:07 PM

I am still using Tiger and I was thinking of picking up leopard, but now with Snow Leopard coming in a few months I am not sure what I should do.

Do I wait or purchase now and then again later?

sharkinfested

Apr 15, 2009, 01:09 PM

InkMaster

Apr 15, 2009, 01:11 PM

I am still using Tiger and I was thinking of picking up leopard, but now with Snow Leopard coming in a few months I am not sure what I should do.

Do I wait or purchase now and then again later?

Well, chances are you won't see the final release of SL till another 6 month or so...

Full of Win

Apr 15, 2009, 01:12 PM

I am still using Tiger and I was thinking of picking up leopard, but now with Snow Leopard coming in a few months I am not sure what I should do.

Do I wait or purchase now and then again later?

Get 10.5...because if history is a guide, the first few months after the initial release, the OS will have significant bugs in it. Right now 10.5 is pretty stable, but this has been after several updates.

Michael73

Apr 15, 2009, 01:19 PM

The farther they push out the date of this 10.5.7 release reduces how high the number of 5.x will go before SL. My guess is 2 or at most 3. We'll get 10.5.8 in the june/july timeframe and then 1 more as a prep about a month before SL gets out in September.

Eric S.

Apr 15, 2009, 01:21 PM

I'm just dreading it's size. It's gotta be huge by now.

According to AppleInsider (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/15/apple_near_ready_with_release_of_mac_os_x_10_5_7_juno.html) (they must mean "users running 10.5.6"):

an approximately 443 megabyte delta update for Mac users running Mac OS X 10.5.7. A separate distribution capable of updating earlier versions of the Leopard OS reportedly weighs in around 730 megabytes.

Well, chances are you won't see the final release of SL till another 6 month or so...

And not sufficiently bug-free until at least 8 months from now.

Gaelic2

Apr 15, 2009, 01:22 PM

I'm not sure I want to rush out and buy Snow Leopard as soon as it comes out. I think I'll wait until they find the rest of the bugs before I switch from what is pretty solid right now. I really don't care if it is next month or the end of the year.;)

westernmass

Apr 15, 2009, 01:25 PM

The Flashing Fi

Apr 15, 2009, 01:26 PM

I hope they fix the 8600M GT drivers for the MBP. But I certainly won't hold my breath for the wallpaper switcher to actually work properly and for them to fix desktop performance.:mad:

themoonisdown09

Apr 15, 2009, 01:27 PM

el3ktro

Apr 15, 2009, 01:27 PM

It will remain in beta and I think it'll be released with SL too, but what about people who are currently using the Safari 4 beta...? It is a public beta after all..

I'm wondering the same. I'm running Safari 4 Betaight now, almost from the first day when it was released, and had not a single problem or crash with it so far - and I use it hours daily. So I really got used to it and would like to keep it. Hope this will be possible, perhaps with a new Safari Beta after the 10.5.7 release.

Keeval

Apr 15, 2009, 01:28 PM

Way stupid question. So is this update something I will have to purchase? I got my new imac about a month ago (give or take a week) I assume this is a new OS and so will need to be purchased. ( again sorry is stupid question ;) ) how much will it cost if $$ invloved?

No 10.5.7 is a free update.. Snow Leopard (the next release of OSX 10.6 will be something you need to pay for though).

Eric S.

Apr 15, 2009, 01:29 PM

Way stupid question. So is this update something I will have to purchase? I got my new imac about a month ago (give or take a week) I assume this is a new OS and so will need to be purchased. ( again sorry is stupid question ;) ) how much will it cost if $$ invloved?

Updates like 10.5.7 are available for free through :apple: menu->Software Update or by downloading an install file.

Major releases like 10.6 (Snow Leopard) you need to pay for; historically the price has been $129 (US).

RTiii320

Apr 15, 2009, 01:32 PM

ahhhh nice... with all of these releases let's just hope that there won't be too long of a wait until the final release. I am glad that they are releasing betas as they are, you might as well fix as many bugs as you can before public release

go :apple:

Eidorian

Apr 15, 2009, 01:34 PM

Sure are taking their time with this update and Safari 4 Beta is still an issue.

seashellz

Apr 15, 2009, 01:36 PM

flottenheimer

Apr 15, 2009, 01:38 PM

westernmass

Apr 15, 2009, 01:39 PM

themoonisdown , Eric S. , Keeval

Thanks all for your reply :)

amac4me

Apr 15, 2009, 01:43 PM

Snow Leopard once thought to have a June release-I recall now being pushed to Q 4
Lets hope its not full retail
Ive also read about of a new seed in MFI or MRs, only to see it released later that afternoon

No way Snow Leopard is released in June, it will merely be demonstrated and Apple will announce that it will be available later this year.

RebootD

Apr 15, 2009, 01:47 PM

I hope it includes a fix for HDMI monitors with the new Mac Pro!

I had to buy a 3rd party app just to get my GT 120 to pump out 1920x1200 rather than trying to use 1920x1080. (I have an LG LCD 8bit monitor that has HDMI not DVI).

Monitor worked fine with my older iMac so I know it isn't OSX/LCD.

Mad Mac Maniac

Apr 15, 2009, 01:48 PM

Way stupid question. So is this update something I will have to purchase? I got my new imac about a month ago (give or take a week) I assume this is a new OS and so will need to be purchased. ( again sorry is stupid question ;) ) how much will it cost if $$ invloved?

How have you been a member of MR for a year and a half and have 6502 member status and only bought a mac a month ago? :confused:

westernmass

Apr 15, 2009, 01:54 PM

How have you been a member of MR for a year and a half and have 6502 member status and only bought a mac a month ago? :confused:

LOLOLOL the iPhone hooked me and I have been swimming around here ever since :) I would have got the iMac 6 months ago but was patiently waiting for the new one. Very happy so far and still have questions that normally get answered here pretty quick. Not only did I get the iMac a month ago I just got ATV last week :)

So are you curious as to why I don't post more or not enough ;) I honestly has to search to figure our what that status meant LOLOLO now I can add an avatar YIPEEE!!!

Schizoid

Apr 15, 2009, 02:00 PM

Taking bets on the last incarnation of Mac OS X v10.5

10.5.8 = 4:1
10.5.9 = 2:1
10.5.11 = 3:1
10.5.16 = evens

jons

Apr 15, 2009, 02:01 PM

There have been 12 Monday OS X updates, 9 on Tuesday, 10 on Wednesday, 7 on Thursday, 4 on Friday, and 1 on Saturday (the very first one - 10.0.1).

I guess based on the historical pattern the odds decrease as we get later in the week. :rolleyes:

Or do they actually increase? As we get later in the week, we get closer to the start of a new one...

-Ryan-

Apr 15, 2009, 02:06 PM

LOLOLOL the iPhone hooked me and I have been swimming around here ever since :) I would have got the iMac 6 months ago but was patiently waiting for the new one. Very happy so far and still have questions that normally get answered here pretty quick. Not only did I get the iMac a month ago I just got ATV last week :)

So are you curious as to why I don't post more or not enough ;) I honestly has to search to figure our what that status meant LOLOLO now I can add an avatar YIPEEE!!!

:rolleyes: I think somebody's had a bit much happy juice!

I'm going to sit out 10.5.7 until I see if there are any issues. I find 10.5.6 to be quite literally perfect. I have *no* issues whatsoever with it.

darthraige

Apr 15, 2009, 02:12 PM

I predict it comes out on Tuesday, April 20 April 21.

I'm gonna go with a Monday since most of them have been released on Monday. That's where the probability lies. Unless you luck out and they do Tuesday for the first time with Leopard. haha

10.5.0 - Friday - 26 October 2007
10.5.1 - Thursday - 15 November 2007
10.5.2 - Monday - 11 February 2008
10.5.3 - Wednesday - 28 May 2008
10.5.4 - Monday - 30 June 2008
10.5.5 - Monday - 15 September 2008
10.5.6 - Monday - 15 December 2008

Razeus

Apr 15, 2009, 02:13 PM

I hope that 10.5.7 will only increase the performance of my soon to be shipped 24in iMac 3.06 ATI4850.

Orginally I had thought that the delay in shipping was due to it needing 10.5.7, but apparently there are a few who have already received them with 10.5.6 as the default

:confused:
why on earth would you think that? Delays are due to lack of parts. Not because they are wanting to make sure you have 10.5.7 or whatever the latest software is on before it gets to. That's what Software updates are for.;)

ROFL. You made me laugh with that comment.

kk1ro

Apr 15, 2009, 02:16 PM

My 8600M GT fried yesterday so my MBP will be "in the shop" for a week or so. I hope I get it back before the update is released.

MagnusVonMagnum

Apr 15, 2009, 02:32 PM

I would have thought it would be released w/ Snow Leopard. It's a bit intensive and some of the new technology in that release might help performance.

Also, I guess 10.5.7 is released on Tuesday.

The problem with that idea is two-fold. One is that Safari 4 is definitely the fastest/smoothest Safari yet and work very responsive (even more than Firefox which is also fine) on my PPC based PowerMac so the idea that it needs help with performance is just nonsensical to me. And secondly, you make it sound like Safari 4 will be Snow Leopard only, which not only makes it sound ridiculous that they would release betas for Leopard, but Tiger as well. Why release betas if it's only for Snow Leopard. Apple has been saying all along that Snow Leopard is not a major step forward for the operating system and it's more of an optimization and bug fix release and this idea that it will probably drop PPC support has had the Intel-only supporters telling us forever that Leopard will be supported for some time to come because of that and so the suggestion that Snow Leopard might end major system software for Leopard sounds a little scary at best.

I personally think the idea of releasing Safari 4 with Snow Leopard just as a publicity stunt (something "major" to include with it) is a bad idea. Putting your non-beta browser way behind the other non-beta browsers just to make your OS release look better just makes the whole company look bad, IMO. I also sincerely hope they put a few more OPTIONS in the preference pane for things like having the old style tabs for those of us that don't like the new Google Chrome style tabs and the inconsistency of the interface with the rest of the OS that it creates. Yes, you can currently change it in the shell, but that's very un-Apple, although I suppose forcing people to use the Apple way instead of giving them customization choices IS very Apple.

Wotan31

Apr 15, 2009, 02:34 PM

Woah! Talk about... Ahead of schedule.
eh? Ahead of what schedule? :confused:

Wotan31

Apr 15, 2009, 02:35 PM

Cycom

Apr 15, 2009, 02:37 PM

Let's hope as soon as 10.5.7 is released Apple starts selling those 4870's directly from their website. I'm tired of waiting "4-5 weeks."

8CoreWhore

Apr 15, 2009, 02:40 PM

And when you install it - don't say it's snappier! :p

cthielen

Apr 15, 2009, 02:46 PM

Regarding Safari 4 and 10.5.7, it's likely we'll see a Safari 4 beta update along with 10.5.7, so a Safari 4 update could be holding them back. My guess is Safari 4 beta is based on some Snow Leopard APIs and it takes a bit of work to get it working with 10.5 Leopard -- but that's a complete guess.

jcandali

Apr 15, 2009, 02:52 PM

I'd say at the latest next Tuesday as I'm fairly certain, among other things, 10.5.7 has updated ATI drivers. The new iMac's with ATI 4850's have been delayed since their introduction. I'm not sure if it was because of card availability or driver availability.

italiansauce88

Apr 15, 2009, 02:58 PM

talk about fixing bugs.... anybody here have a little unresolved issue with iChat's video for like 5 years now??? It is the most inconsistent feature in the world!!

pprior

Apr 15, 2009, 03:16 PM

Let's hope as soon as 10.5.7 is released Apple starts selling those 4870's directly from their website. I'm tired of waiting "4-5 weeks."

+1

I'm also interested that perhaps the nvidia 8800 would have an update in drivers. Performance in EA games titles is pathetic with this card, far below what the hardware will support. Barefeats mentioned an upcoming driver update, but I've not seen any availability.

globalhemp

Apr 15, 2009, 03:24 PM

My wife and I saw the latest MacBook Pro and love the new LED screen. Side-by-side with a PC really shows how much nicer this screen is over less expensive PC.

It looks like MacBook Pro is ready for an update soon as the current model is from October 2008.

It will be nice to hold-off another month or so and purchase one pre-loaded with Mac OS X 10.6 "Snow Leopard" than purchase now, feel "screwed" then need to pay to upgrade OS.

Any rumors on refreshing MacBook Pro line?

Thanks!

bedifferent

Apr 15, 2009, 03:45 PM

talk about fixing bugs.... anybody here have a little unresolved issue with iChat's video for like 5 years now??? It is the most inconsistent feature in the world!!

What problems in particular? Most of the issues with iChat are PEBKAC - user based. Check the following:

1. If not using an Apple router, ensure that your proper ports are open in order for audio/video data to be sent and received (for further information, google "port fowarding ichat")

2. Open "System Preferences", ensure that "Internet Sharing" isn't checked under "Sharing"

3. Lastly, ensure that the party you are attempting a video/audio chat with has their ports open on a non-Apple router. You may also utilize "Connection Doctor" in iChat to check incoming/outgoing data transfer rates.

dlastmango

Apr 15, 2009, 03:57 PM

10.5.1 = Thursday release
10.5.2 = Monday release
10.5.3 = Wednesday release
10.5.4 = Monday release
10.5.5 = Monday release
10.5.6 = Monday release

My guess is that it will be available on Monday.

I'll be in Vegas all next week... SO maybe i'll bet on monday:eek:

iMacoo7

Apr 15, 2009, 03:57 PM

Im going with Monday as well, I wonder if they will implement the video record function for ichat in this or the next update

dlastmango

Apr 15, 2009, 04:00 PM

And when you install it - don't say it's snappier! :p

But It will be snappier...

timothyjay2004

Apr 15, 2009, 04:07 PM

[QUOTE=Eric S.;7467310]According to AppleInsider (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/15/apple_near_ready_with_release_of_mac_os_x_10_5_7_juno.html) (they must mean "users running 10.5.6"):

I doubt that it will be that large once it is actually released.. Typically, the developer builds contain a lot of extra stuff that the developers can use to evaluate bugs etc. I'm thinking that once 10.5.7 actually ships, it'll weigh in around 150-200mb for intel.

As for Safari 4 beta issues, I believe it to be a simple fix, theyre just omitting it. I doubt it'll be an issue once it actually ships. There is also the chance that Safari 4 Beta 2 will be coming out shortly. So, then it would be pointless to make adjustments to make Beta 1 to work...

BTW

Apr 15, 2009, 04:19 PM

They had better get that Safari 4.0 beta bug fix soon, cause I'm not updating until they do. I love the new Safari compared to the old. No way, no how am I going back. :)

Eric S.

Apr 15, 2009, 04:29 PM

bogg

Apr 15, 2009, 04:36 PM

Taking bets on the last incarnation of Mac OS X v10.5

10.5.8 = 4:1
10.5.9 = 2:1
10.5.11 = 3:1
10.5.16 = evens

My guess 10.5.10

Mal

Apr 15, 2009, 04:38 PM

I doubt we'll make it past 10.5.9. We might, but that's one update every three months to get there by the time 10.6 comes out, and at most they might do one more after that, so highest would be 10.5.10. If they go further I'll be quite surprised.

jW

Eric S.

Apr 15, 2009, 04:43 PM

My guess 10.5.10

On a 3-month average between updates (10.5.7 has taken 4 months), that would put 10.6 out until at least January.

Kilamite

Apr 15, 2009, 04:52 PM

On a 3-month average between updates (10.5.7 has taken 4 months), that would put 10.6 out until at least January.

Snow Leopard can be released and Leopard still updated... they've done that with Tiger for example.

Bonte

Apr 15, 2009, 05:35 PM

Apple needs to get the next version out the door before windows 7, so Apple can market it against Vista and MS can't compare W7 to the soon 'outdated' Leopard. There is clearly a race to be first, lets hope for a reasonable bug free release.

bogg

Apr 15, 2009, 05:41 PM

On a 3-month average between updates (10.5.7 has taken 4 months), that would put 10.6 out until at least January.

Why?

Eric S.

Apr 15, 2009, 05:58 PM

Snow Leopard can be released and Leopard still updated... they've done that with Tiger for example.

That was the only time Apple has ever done that. Tiger got just one update less than three weeks after Leopard's release.

Why?

3 * 3 = 9. Nine months from now is January.

Tsurisuto

Apr 15, 2009, 06:02 PM

I just really hope that Apple has fixed the bug where the dock keeps popping up while watching a movie in QuckTime in fullscreen mode. It's so annoying! :mad:

Ade-iMac-177

Apr 15, 2009, 06:08 PM

3 * 3 = 9. Nine months from now is January.

Apple will release Snow Leopard this year, Probably no later than September. They were burned when they had to delay leopard i think they will try very hard not to delay this one... it has been promised for approximately 1 year after June 2008 and i think they will stick to that... though i may end up eating those words ;)

michael.lauden

Apr 15, 2009, 06:19 PM

I just really hope that Apple has fixed the bug where the dock keeps popping up while watching a movie in QuckTime in fullscreen mode. It's so annoying! :mad:

never had that problem!

optophobia

Apr 15, 2009, 06:35 PM

never had that problem!

me neither. But I tend to use VLC player since I can never be bothered to load all the extra drivers for QT to get sound for different formats

RayK

Apr 15, 2009, 06:39 PM

I just really hope that Apple has fixed the bug where the dock keeps popping up while watching a movie in QuckTime in fullscreen mode. It's so annoying! :mad:
Me too! I've complained to Apple, but they don't seem to care.

Eidorian

Apr 15, 2009, 06:41 PM

I haven't used Quicktime in ages since I have MPlayer Extended now.

kwfl

Apr 15, 2009, 06:48 PM

I think everyone missed this. I'm thinking Monday, April 21st.

Not many people got you joke man. Thanks.

Concorde Rules

Apr 15, 2009, 06:58 PM

Me too! I've complained to Apple, but they don't seem to care.

Thats never ever happened to me :confused:

And I watch quicktime videos daily!

What a weird one!

skillwill

Apr 15, 2009, 07:17 PM

I don't understand why people keep saying "hmm maybe 10.5.7 means SL will be released soon" ... why would it make it difference, I don't think Apple goes by that ... if they need to fix something in Leopard, then they will.

Looking forward to getting 10.5.7 though they have spent a lot of time on it so should be a pretty solid release

Chundles

Apr 15, 2009, 07:21 PM

I just really hope that Apple has fixed the bug where the dock keeps popping up while watching a movie in QuckTime in fullscreen mode. It's so annoying! :mad:

It's a bug with MobileMe syncing of preferences and Dock items. If you turn off syncing of those two things the issue goes away.

Eric S.

Apr 15, 2009, 07:24 PM

Apple will release Snow Leopard this year, Probably no later than September.

I never said they wouldn't. Although I think the chance it won't be ready by September is more than negligible.

AppleG

Apr 15, 2009, 08:38 PM

The new OS X this year? Do you think they will show us some of the new Leopard Snow OS this June at the WWDC?:confused:

Stevamundo

Apr 15, 2009, 08:55 PM

Nah, I bet it's this week. Anyway I'm glad to see Apple is focusing on fixing sync issues.

The OS updates usually come on Tuesdays. So I don't know.

Eric S.

Apr 15, 2009, 09:30 PM

The OS updates usually come on Tuesdays. So I don't know.

As already detailed in this thread, that is not correct. Updates are different than new product releases. They can be released on any weekday, with Monday having the most releases, historically.

AppleG

Apr 15, 2009, 09:56 PM

Does anyone know if Apple will be changing their notebooks' lineup this year? I want one and also do you think that the new OS will come out this year or perhaps early 2010?:confused:

samh004

Apr 15, 2009, 10:19 PM

My 8600M GT fried yesterday so my MBP will be "in the shop" for a week or so. I hope I get it back before the update is released.

Why? :confused: No seriously, Why? That's kind of a bizarre statement to make so I'm just curious.

Because maybe he likes the stability of 10.5.6 and thinks the Apple Store will automatically upgrade him to the latest (10.5.7) when the fix his MBP.

Apple needs to get the next version out the door before windows 7, so Apple can market it against Vista and MS can't compare W7 to the soon 'outdated' Leopard. There is clearly a race to be first, lets hope for a reasonable bug free release.

I don't think so, they rushed 10.5 out and it was hell for a while with all the bugs. I'm sure the release of Windows 7 wont significantly affect continuing sales of 10.5 and macs, and future sales of 10.6.

I just really hope that Apple has fixed the bug where the dock keeps popping up while watching a movie in QuckTime in fullscreen mode. It's so annoying! :mad:

It's a bug with MobileMe syncing of preferences and Dock items. If you turn off syncing of those two things the issue goes away.

Gah! You beat me to it. As soon as I saw "dock bug" I knew it was nothing to do with Quicktime. Shame it happens, but it sometimes alerts me to new messages in Mail :p

BTW

Apr 15, 2009, 10:27 PM

An OS update is appreciated but are there any rumors on Safari 4.0 beta being updated at the same time 10.5.7 comes out? That would make sense since this article states there are still issues with it not working with the latest OSX builds. :)

NinjaHERO

Apr 15, 2009, 10:54 PM

You all crack me up. Every single time they seed the next build everybody jumps on here and says it will be out next week. Statistically, you are all horrible guessers. It's been over a month of next weeks already....:D

I am still on Tiger. But I hope for the happiness of the board that you are all right this time. Good luck with Monday.

squirrelist

Apr 15, 2009, 11:26 PM

I just really hope that Apple has fixed the bug where the dock keeps popping up while watching a movie in QuckTime in fullscreen mode. It's so annoying! :mad:

Me too!

Pooshka

Apr 15, 2009, 11:46 PM

I hear it will come out on Wedthursday.
Very likely.

Stevamundo

Apr 15, 2009, 11:48 PM

As already detailed in this thread, that is not correct. Updates are different than new product releases. They can be released on any weekday, with Monday having the most releases, historically.

I stand corrected. :)

Pooshka

Apr 15, 2009, 11:57 PM

I think Snow Leopard won't be released until WWDC 2010.

bobertoq

Apr 16, 2009, 01:12 AM

I read that as Apple seeds OS X 10.7 -_-''

Ivan P

Apr 16, 2009, 01:33 AM

I think Snow Leopard won't be released until WWDC 2010.

They said it'd ship "approximately one year" after WWDC 2008, so sometime in the latter half of 2009. There is no way they'd extend it another year beyond that after their statement.

drivebass

Apr 16, 2009, 02:15 AM

I hope they fix the FireWire 800 port incompatibility issue on Mac book pro.
After the chipset change from Texas Instruments to Agere there is an issue where the mac book pro does not recognise some devices like the soundcard Fireface800 and etc. Fingers crossed!

MacAndy74

Apr 16, 2009, 03:11 AM

I'm just hoping that the Safari 4 Beta bug gets squashed, or maybe Safari 4 may be released with OS X 10.5.7 - I hope. :cool:

Pooshka

Apr 16, 2009, 03:51 AM

They said it'd ship "approximately one year" after WWDC 2008, so sometime in the latter half of 2009. There is no way they'd extend it another year beyond that after their statement.
Their statement is just as reliable as my own statement. Trust me. :rolleyes:

Ivan P

Apr 16, 2009, 03:57 AM

Their statement is just as reliable as my own statement. Trust me. :rolleyes:

I bet you we'll see it by the end of 2009.
I bet you.

koobcamuk

Apr 16, 2009, 04:34 AM

I bet you we'll see it by the end of 2009.
I bet you.

What do you bet?

Safari 4 Beta killed me on 10.5.6. What a pain that was... I hope they release full version soon. :confused:

Safari 4 completely goosed my mail and MSN messenger apps.

koobcamuk

Apr 16, 2009, 04:39 AM

I bet you we'll see it by the end of 2009.
I bet you.

What do you bet?

MacManiac76

Apr 16, 2009, 04:51 AM

It's getting a little tiring seeing 1 or 2 articles a week regarding this update. Hopefully it will be released soon, for those that need the bug fixes, and to get onto something else newsworthy. My MacBook is running great and haven't even rebooted since Safari 4 Beta came out. Of course I will update when it is finally released.

Adrien24

Apr 16, 2009, 05:43 AM

I don't know if anyone has said this before, but the Safari 4 Beta now works with Hotmail.com. Just a little heads up for those who had to switch over to Firefox every time, if that was your case

matthew.russo

Apr 16, 2009, 06:24 AM

I don't know if anyone has said this before, but the Safari 4 Beta now works with Hotmail.com. Just a little heads up for those who had to switch over to Firefox every time, if that was your case

About time :), just reinstalled safari 4 again and all is at peace in the world!

10.5.7..Thursday or Friday next week...when they start shipping the 4870's 10.5.7 should be out as its needed for drivers.

bogg

Apr 16, 2009, 06:30 AM

That was the only time Apple has ever done that. Tiger got just one update less than three weeks after Leopard's release.

3 * 3 = 9. Nine months from now is January.

Personally I think 10.5.8 and 10.5.9 will come quite shortly after each other, for some odd reason... But yes, You are probably right, 10.5.9 will be the final version...

barefeats

Apr 16, 2009, 09:09 AM

I hope the video drivers in this release will allow use of the 4870 on older Mac Pros (even if not officially supported). I've read some things that indicate that may be possible.

OS X 10.5.7 will have the Feb 2009 drivers for ATI cards that are shipping with the 2009 Mac Pros. Whether Apple decides to support the 2006 and 2007 Mac Pros, the 4870 does work in them. We have successfully run it in a 2006 Woodcrest and 2007 Clovertown.

BTW, AppleMacanix.com is selling a flashed 4870 with two "normal" DVI ports, one with dual-link support. And they have an installer posted that will correctly add the newest drivers to 10.5.6 on any Mac Pro. We used their installer when we tried the 4870 on various Mac Pros. (Just copying them into the Extensions folder does not work.)

sihecht

Apr 16, 2009, 10:04 AM

What about Blu-ray support?

toontra

Apr 16, 2009, 11:38 AM

Tsurisuto

Apr 16, 2009, 11:45 AM

never had that problem!

The problems stems from a quirk between MobileMe syncing and QuickTime. You only get the problem if you have turned automatic syncing on in System Preferences and then try and watch a movie in QuickTime. Every time your computer tries to sync anything in the background while you are watching a movie in QuickTime, your dock will pop up. VERY annoying! :mad:

pdjudd

Apr 16, 2009, 12:57 PM

What about Blu-ray support?
Since Apple is not shipping any blue Ray drives, I would say unlikely.

ThomasJL

Apr 16, 2009, 04:39 PM

What is the likelihood that OSX 10.5.7 will unify all Macbooks? I've just bought an Nvidia WhiteBook and apparently can't use a clone of my 10.5.6 drive from my current Intel WhiteBook because of different graphics drivers and other bits.

If I update to 10.5.7 will I be able to simply swap the drives or clone, do you think?

WOW TOONTRA!!! This is exactly my situation! I'm using 10.5.6 Build 9G55. It is different from the 10.5.6 Build that came pre-installed on the Nvidia WhiteBook. I tried to simply swap dives, and when I boot-up, there is a lot of command prompt-style text against a black screen before it goes into any form of a GUI. When I run Geekbench, the results are very poor.

I don't want to go through the hassle of reinstalling everything. I just want to swap the drives.

toontra

Apr 16, 2009, 04:44 PM

WOW TOONTRA!!! This is exactly my situation! I'm using 10.5.6 Build 9G55. It is different from the 10.5.6 Build that came pre-installed on the Nvidia WhiteBook. I tried to simply swap dives, and when I boot-up, there is a lot of command prompt-style text against a black screen before it goes into any form of a GUI. When I run Geekbench, the results are very poor.

I don't want to go through the hassle of reinstalling everything. I just want to swap the drives.

Welcome to the club! Hopefully someone will know the answer to this. :)

ThomasJL

Apr 16, 2009, 05:59 PM

Welcome to the club! Hopefully someone will know the answer to this. :)

Thanks, Toontra. I hope someone does know the answer to this.

I currently use a Santa Rosa 2.2 GHz WhiteBook. When I bought it, I also bought an aftermarket Hitachi 200GB 7200 RPM drive, which I did a clean install (aka "Erase and Install") of 10.5.0. I've been using Macs for 22 years, and I've noticed that I usually have significantly fewer problems than people who use "Upgrade and Install" or the new Migration Assistant.

It would be a major hassle to reinstall all my programs, tweak all the settings to what is necessary for me, etc.

This is what I plan to do:
When 10.5.7 is released, I'll download it onto the stock hard drive with the pre-installed special build of 10.5.6 that came with my Nvidia WhiteBook. I will not be using that drive, but the reason I'll download 10.5.7 onto it is so I can check the build number, and compare it to the 10.5.7 build number which I'll download onto my 7200 RPM drive on my Santa Rosa WhiteBook. If the build numbers are the same, then I'll just swap the 7200 RMP dive into the Nvidia WhiteBook. I WILL NOT FIRST SWAP THE DRIVE INTO THE NVIDIA WHITEBOOK AND THEN DOWNLOAD 10.5.7, AS THIS MAY LEAD TO CORRUPTION OF THE FILES ON THE DRIVE. 10.5.6 Build 9G55 is not working properly with the Nvidia WhiteBook, so it would be crazy to pop that drive into the Nvidia WhiteBook and then install 10.5.7.

mreed911

Apr 16, 2009, 07:07 PM

Welcome to the club! Hopefully someone will know the answer to this. :)

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3322

Master Chief

Apr 17, 2009, 06:38 AM

I just found an ad (AdSense) about the new Leopard version on this page: http://multizilla.mozdev.org/weblog/weblog.html
including a link to the Apple store: "Order today and get free shipping".

Is this a joke? I want it, but I can't find the darn thing!

subaqua

Apr 17, 2009, 12:30 PM

Sure are taking their time with this update and Safari 4 Beta is still an issue.

It's a beta so just un-install it if it doesn't work for you.

I have been using it without any issues since the beta was released as have lots of others. Yes, there are issues being discovered but that's the whole purpose of releasing the beta :-)

flopticalcube

Apr 17, 2009, 12:37 PM

It's a beta so just un-install it if it doesn't work for you.

I have been using it without any issues since the beta was released as have lots of others. Yes, there are issues being discovered but that's the whole purpose of releasing the beta :-)

I don't think you quite grasp the situation. With 10.5.7, Safari Beta 4 will not install on any machine. It is incompatible with the release. This will effectively end testing of the current beta, at least for those who have not installed the beta yet or need to reinstall.

ThomasJL

Apr 17, 2009, 08:38 PM

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3322

No. No. No. Migration Assistant will not copy applications. For people with complex settings and numerous applications, this will not work. A hard drive swap is our only solution, unless we want to deal with the massive hassle of reinstalling all of our applications and configuring them.

ThomasJL

Apr 17, 2009, 08:40 PM

What do you guys think: Will Apple wait until 10.5.7 is compatible with Safari 4 beta before releasing 10.5.7?

MacAndy74

Apr 18, 2009, 02:08 AM

What do you guys think: Will Apple wait until 10.5.7 is compatible with Safari 4 beta before releasing 10.5.7?

I want to believe that Safari 4 Final will ship with 10.5.7 :o

MagnusVonMagnum

Apr 18, 2009, 02:39 PM

I don't think you quite grasp the situation. With 10.5.7, Safari Beta 4 will not install on any machine. It is incompatible with the release. This will effectively end testing of the current beta, at least for those who have not installed the beta yet or need to reinstall.

No, I don't think you get it. It's a beta. 10.5.7 will work just fine with Safari 4 when the FINAL is released to the general public, not just beta-testers. If you think that ends the Safari 4 beta test, you don't have a clue what the beta of Leopard is for. In fact, I'd wager you should not have the beta of Leopard in the first place since you can't seem to grasp it's purpose (i.e. it's not for daily general purpose use; it's to test new features of Leopard for bugs).

flopticalcube

Apr 18, 2009, 02:44 PM

No, I don't think you get it. It's a beta. 10.5.7 will work just fine with Safari 4 when the FINAL is released to the general public, not just beta-testers. If you think that ends the Safari 4 beta test, you don't have a clue what the beta of Leopard is for. In fact, I'd wager you should not have the beta of Leopard in the first place since you can't seem to grasp it's purpose (i.e. it's not for daily general purpose use; it's to test new features of Leopard for bugs).
Woah! Chillout, dude.

I don't have the Leopard beta. Where did I say I ever did? I did say that the problems with loading the Safari beta onto this build WILL hold the release up. The poster I was replying to did not think it was a big deal. You may have gotten confused. In the post above, I was talking about the effective ending of Safari beta testing if 10.5.7 gets released, not 10.5.7 testing.

MagnusVonMagnum

Apr 18, 2009, 02:58 PM

Woah! Chillout, dude.

I don't have the Leopard beta. Where did I say I ever did? I did say that the problems with loading the Safari beta onto this build WILL hold the release up. The poster I was replying to did not think it was a big deal. You may have gotten confused. In the post above, I was talking about the effective ending of Safari beta testing if 10.5.7 gets released, not 10.5.7 testing.

How can we be sure what the reason is that the Safari beta is working with it? I thought I read if it was already installed then it continued working just fine? That would imply that Safari 4 Beta installer simply isn't set to install on newer builds or beta builds. That's easily corrected with an updated Safari 4 beta or maybe just a non-beta Leopard release. I wouldn't assume it would hold up anything at this point.

VSMacOne

Apr 20, 2009, 11:30 AM

Why would anybody ever think that Apple would release an update to leopard that will render useless the beta testing of their NEWEST browser just released a few weeks ago?!
That just doesn't make ANY sense at all, so I don't understand why people are FREAKING out about this lol... :eek:
:rolleyes:

Mr. Wonderful

Apr 20, 2009, 04:34 PM

Where the heck is this update?

Does anyone know at what time of the day Apple doesn't release updates after?

Eric S.

Apr 20, 2009, 05:28 PM

Where the heck is this update?

Does anyone know at what time of the day Apple doesn't release updates after?

I think it's safe to say it won't be today.

I've given up predicting this one, I've been wrong too many times. :(

t0mat0

Apr 20, 2009, 05:40 PM

I think it's safe to say it won't be today.

I've given up predicting this one, I've been wrong too many times. :(

Isn't, in a way, the putative big update build coming for 10.6 related to the 10.5.7 build release, along with Safari 4? 10.5.7 is an update and a wrap up of 10.5 afaik. They've got the various changes coming through with 10.6, and likely shift of focus once 10.5.7 is sorted. With the regularity of the updates, I'd imagine seeing what's happening with Safari might be a decent indicator - anyone have any information as to the speed at which Safari will come out of beta?

Eric S.

Apr 20, 2009, 06:04 PM

I don't think 10.5.7 is a wrap-up of 10.5. The release of 10.6 is five months away (if not more), so we should see at least one or two more updates to 10.5.

Stridder44

Apr 20, 2009, 06:06 PM

As long as Safari 4 (whether or not its in beta) works with 10.5.7.

ThomasJL

Apr 20, 2009, 06:15 PM

VSMacOne

Apr 20, 2009, 09:34 PM

I think that, unfortunately, you are correct. :(

Why unfortunately?! It's a good thing ;)
I'm pretty positive that Safari 4 Beta will work with 10.5.7 when that comes out.

drivebass

Apr 21, 2009, 06:11 AM

No news finally for JUNO. I guess it;s going to be a June release along with all the new stuff from apple.

Any ideas?

ThomasJL

Apr 21, 2009, 06:51 AM

imm22

Apr 21, 2009, 08:43 AM

No news finally for JUNO. I guess it;s going to be a June release along with all the new stuff from apple.

Any ideas?

I think it gets Gold Today

Kilamite

Apr 21, 2009, 08:46 AM

Really hope it also fixes the permission issues with the Leopard firewall - certain applications (Office 2008, Transmission to name a few) keep asking if I want to allow or deny incoming connections. Even if they are in the list, it still asks me.

That and 802.1X WiFi improvements and fixes and I'll be happy.

bigandtasty

Apr 21, 2009, 10:54 AM

C'mon Release It Today!!!! (fingers Crossed)

Riemann Zeta

Apr 21, 2009, 11:20 AM

VSMacOne

Apr 21, 2009, 12:08 PM

I still have no idea what the big holdup is, but either way, it looks as if we won't be seeing this one for a while. One would think that after 8 or 9 beta builds with "no issues" except for Safari not working, that Apple would fix the issue of Safari not working.

What about those of us who already have the Safari 4b installed (and in fact use a Webkit nightly for regular browsing); will 10.5.7 lock down the web browser?

have you even bothered reading what everybody else has been saying in this thread?
Safari is a BETA version.
10.5.7 is also a BETA only released to developers.
WHY would they have two betas testing together? They both have different issues and bugs.
It makes sense that Safari 4 would only work on the FINAL version of 10.5.7, instead of the developer versions.
And it WILL WORK! When Apple releases an update like 10.5.7, obviously they expect most of their Leopard customers to upgrade to it. So do you honestly think that having just put out Safari 4, they would release a software update that would render Safari 4 useless on all the macs upgrading to 10.5.7??!! :rolleyes:
That makes absolutely no sense from a business point of view!

jackjason

Apr 21, 2009, 02:31 PM

:mad:I think 10.5.7 will never happen!

Mr. Wonderful

Apr 21, 2009, 03:57 PM

^Apparently.

matthew.russo

Apr 21, 2009, 04:20 PM

:mad:I think 10.5.7 will never happen!

This month.

edit: :( I reckon mid may now. my theory is the delay in apple sending 4870's out (my shipment got delayed till mid may from end of april).

Apple Corps

Apr 21, 2009, 10:04 PM

This may redefine "imminent"

fletch33

Apr 22, 2009, 08:57 AM

This may redefine "imminent"

:D:D:D

Mr. Wonderful

Apr 22, 2009, 02:36 PM

This may redefine "imminent"

Seriously. But you would think they would at least release a new build by this point.

ThomasJL

Apr 22, 2009, 06:09 PM

Gee, just great... :o Now I may have to wait until mid-May to use my new Nvidia WhiteBook. :mad: (Please read posts #121 and #123 in this thread before issuing a criticism to the prior sentence).

And with new MacBooks reported to come in June, I'll get to have the latest and greatest for only one month.

Eric S.

Apr 22, 2009, 08:13 PM

Seriously. But you would think they would at least release a new build by this point.

You got it. Build 9J56 just out.

ThomasJL

Apr 22, 2009, 08:27 PM

You got it. Build 9J56 just out.

Does this build work with Safari 4 beta? (I actually don't care about Safari since I prefer Firefox and Opera, but the reason I ask is because I think the only reason Apple is delaying the release of 10.5.7 is because all previous builds have been incompatible with Safari 4 beta.)

Stevamundo

Apr 22, 2009, 08:29 PM

You got it. Build 9J56 just out.

Where did you see this?

MikhailT

Apr 22, 2009, 08:30 PM

Does this build work with Safari 4 beta? (I actually don't care about Safari since I prefer Firefox and Opera, but the reason I ask is because I think the only reason Apple is delaying the release of 10.5.7 is because all previous builds have been incompatible with Safari 4 beta.)

Nope. Still the only remaining bug.

Apple isn't delaying the release because of Safari 4. They probably will either release another build of Safari 4 or release a minor update to get it to work on top of 10.5.7.

MikhailT

Apr 22, 2009, 08:31 PM

Where did you see this?

Source (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/22/mac_os_x_10_5_7_to_improve_bluetooth_compatibility_stability.html)

ThomasJL

Apr 22, 2009, 08:33 PM

OK, folks, don't get your hopes up for a release of 10.5.7 Build 9J56. Apple said it is not compatible with Safari 4 beta. According to an article about Build 9J56 linked below, "Though its believed that Mac OS X 10.5.7 remains close to release, Apple still notes that the software is incompatible with the public beta of Safari 4 -- the OS update's lone known issue."

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/22/mac_os_x_10_5_7_to_improve_bluetooth_compatibility_stability.html

flopticalcube

Apr 22, 2009, 09:03 PM