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zimv20
Apr 23, 2004, 01:54 AM
link (http://nytimes.com/2004/04/23/politics/23DIPL.html?hp)


WASHINGTON, April 22 — The Bush administration's plans for a new caretaker government in Iraq would place severe limits on its sovereignty, including only partial command over its armed forces and no authority to enact new laws, administration officials said Thursday.

These restrictions to the plan negotiated with Lakhdar Brahimi, the special United Nations envoy, were presented in detail for the first time by top administration officials at Congressional hearings this week, culminating in long and intense questioning on Thursday at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee's hearing on the goal of returning Iraq to self-rule on June 30.

Only 10 weeks from the scheduled transfer of sovereignty, the administration is still not sure exactly who will govern in Baghdad, or precisely how they will be selected. A week ago, President Bush agreed to a recommendation by Mr. Brahimi to dismantle the existing Iraqi Governing Council, which was handpicked by the United States, and to replace it with a caretaker government whose makeup is to be decided next month.

That government would stay in power until elections could be held, beginning next year.

The administration's plans seem likely to face objections on several fronts. Several European and United Nations diplomats have said in interviews that they do not think the United Nations will approve a Security Council resolution sought by Washington that handcuffs the new Iraq government in its authority over its own armed forces, let alone foreign forces on its soil.

These diplomats, and some American officials, said that if the American military command ordered a siege of an Iraqi city, for example, and there was no language calling for an Iraqi government to participate in the decision, the government might not be able to survive protests that could follow.

The diplomats added that it might be unrealistic to expect the new Iraqi government not to demand the right to change Iraqi laws put in place by the American occupation under L. Paul Bremer III, including provisions limiting the influence of Islamic religious law.

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so are we to assume that this june 30 "deadline" is really more symbolic than meaningful?



numediaman
Apr 23, 2004, 08:33 AM
link (http://nytimes.com/2004/04/23/politics/23DIPL.html?hp)


so are we to assume that this june 30 "deadline" is really more symbolic than meaningful?

But this is from the N.Y. Times. Why don't you get some real news? I'll have Sly send you a link to the Drudge Report, OK? ;)

Clearly the administration has backed itself into a corner. It has told the world that "sovereignty" will be handed back to the Iraqis on June 30 -- and now realize that there are some details missing -- like all the details. For instance, who do they hand power to? who handles security? what happens in the event of a conflict between the U.S. and whatever body is technically in charge? Who is responsible should there be a power struggle?

I'm not one of those that thinks the U.S. should delay this date -- it will only make the Iraqis distrust us more (of course, I don't trust us either). But I don't see anyone to hand power to, do you? (Especially since the U.S. was against the idea of early elections -- which helped build all this distrust. They should have never said no to elections. They were really acting like amateurs. You say "yes" then work on the details, delaying if necessary, but you don't say no to elections!)

So, zimv20, you are right -- it will all be symbolic.

mactastic
Apr 23, 2004, 09:43 AM
It sure won't be fun to be Scott McClellan on July 1st. I have a feeling there are going to be a whole lot of unanswered questions on that day.

And I can't wait to see if the spin machines on the right start a new chorus of 'mission accomplished' once we've "handed off power" to an Iraqi government.

skunk
Apr 23, 2004, 10:36 AM
Like so many other aspects of the Iraqi adventure, the "handover of power" has not been thought through. I doubt that the US would even have been thinking about it at all unless they had been pushed, and now they're just going to go through the motions. "Limited Sovereignty" indeed! It was never going to be anything else. What "power" are they going to hand over? A large number of the contracts for reconstruction have already been handed out to the FoGs, the Iraqi army doesn't exist, the police are not equipped, the country is not secure, the borders are porous as hell, the public utilities are STILL crap, and Bremer has set a fine example of democracy by shutting down a newspaper and using heavy armour in civilian areas. And to cap it all, the US is ensconced in the ex-Dictator's palace, with its officials (aka colonial office) hardly daring to go outside the Green Zone so they have little idea what they're up against.
Buch of rank amateurs playing with people's lives, and twisting the english language out of all recognition while they do it, if you ask me. :mad:

IJ Reilly
Apr 23, 2004, 10:42 AM
It sure won't be fun to be Scott McClellan on July 1st. I have a feeling there are going to be a whole lot of unanswered questions on that day.

Oh, they'll have answers all right, just not to questions that are actually asked.

zimv20
Apr 23, 2004, 11:41 AM
Buch of rank amateurs playing with people's lives, and twisting the english language out of all recognition while they do it, if you ask me. :mad:
uh-oh, skunk is loosing (sic) it!

OT - i'm also sick of the rampant use of "that" when talking about people. it's "who"!

IJ Reilly
Apr 23, 2004, 11:45 AM
OT - i'm also sick of the rampant use of "that" when talking about people. it's "who"!

Oh my. Now you have me wondering whether I've committed this particular sin of syntax.

Sayhey
Apr 23, 2004, 11:57 AM
Oh my. Now you have me wondering whether I've committed this particular sin of syntax.

IJ, you would never be one of those people that commit this horrible sin. :D

zimv20
Apr 23, 2004, 12:35 PM
IJ, you would never be one of those people that commit this horrible sin. :D
that's it! the bbq is OFF!

Sayhey
Apr 23, 2004, 01:23 PM
that's it! the bbq is OFF!

But, but ... I was just making the potato salad! How am I to drink all the beer by myself?

zimv20
Apr 23, 2004, 04:34 PM
How am I to drink all the beer by myself?
by yourself!

(okay, i know that didn't make a ton of sense...)

skunk
Apr 23, 2004, 04:35 PM
But, but ... I was just making the potato salad! How am I to drink all the beer by myself?
IV drip? :cool:

Sayhey
Apr 23, 2004, 04:47 PM
IV drip? :cool:

good suggestion! I'm on it. But one question, how do I get the chunks of potato to go through the IV needle?

skunk
Apr 23, 2004, 05:11 PM
good suggestion! I'm on it. But one question, how do I get the chunks of potato to go through the IV needle?
Use a creamer, they're really cool! :D