Weed

[TSE]

Hi, I am 15 and my girlfriend I have found out has been doing weed. I seriously don't think weed is that bad, I've never done it or anything, but I have a couple of friends that have done it, but I am just not comfortable with her doing it. She's never said anything about it to me or talked about it, so I don't know what to think? Should I not care?

[ravenvii]

Weed is illegal and all, so if she was busted and you're present, you'll likely be in trouble too.

Guess it's really up to you if you care or not.

[TSE]

My mind says I shouldn't care, because alcohol is probably worse for a person than weed.

But my conscience is making me question.

That sounds really cheesy but that is honestly what is up right now.

[yojitani]

Weed is not such a big deal, but the fact that she has apparently kept it from you is. You might need to have a talk about trust and secrets. However, if you're not comfortable with her toking, then you probably ought to split up. It's not the kind of thing someone wants to be told to stop, especially at your age.

As for the legal point, that is something you should keep in mind too.

[Dagless]

Nobody here can tell you if you should care or not.

I'd find out why she felt she needed to take drugs, and worst of all to keep it from you.

[TSE]

Here is where it gets more juicy:

I found out by her friend, who supposedly is the only one that knows that she does it, so if I was to split up with her because of it, could that make her mad at her friend? I wouldn't want to do that.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Here are the facts*:
It's just a plant.
weed is a substance that messes with your head.
People get all up in arms about it, with no evidence or reason to.
It will probably be legal one day.
It isn't dangerous. (well it's about as dangerous as blow drying your hair)


Mayhaps you should ask her about it, have someone halfway intelligent explain it to you, and get yourself a dub.

*I might be a little bias

[yojitani]

Here is where it gets more juicy:

I found out by her friend, who supposedly is the only one that knows that she does it, so if I was to split up with her because of it, could that make her mad at her friend? I wouldn't want to do that.

So she smokes alone or just with this one friend? Why did the friend tell you? If it's supposed to be such a secret, it's not a good thing of her friend to spill the beans. Maybe her friend isn't much of a friend.

[jmann]

Don't mention her friend. Tell her you can see it in her eyes, or you've smelled it on her (IDK make something up) bring it up without getting her friend involved. Don't worry if it doesn't work out though, you are only 15.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Don't mention her friend. Tell her you can see it in her eyes, or you've smelled it on her (IDK make something up) bring it up without getting her friend involved. Don't worry if it doesn't work out though, you are only 15.

ummm you make it seem like something he should be accusing her of. Weed really isn't anything special, if she doesn't want to share it with him she is not obligated to.

[Macaddicttt]

Here are the facts*:
It's just a plant.
weed is a substance that messes with your head.
People get all up in arms about it, with no evidence or reason to.
It will probably be legal one day.
It isn't dangerous. (well it's about as dangerous as blow drying your hair)

I have another fact:

All the American demand for weed is causing unspeakable violence in Mexico just to get you a joint (unless you're positive that it didn't come through Mexico, which I imagine is quite hard to prove).

[pimentoLoaf]

Yes, your mouth can offer consent, but legally, only laws can give you the right to consent.

If the law says weed is illegal, that is the only thing that will stand up in court. Not your desire to use it.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I have another fact:

All the American demand for weed is causing unspeakable violence in Mexico just to get you a joint (unless you're positive that it didn't come through Mexico, which I imagine is quite hard to prove).

Well I know all my weed comes from Eugene... It's probably a lot harder to get Mexican schwagg in Oregon than it is to get the yummy homegrown.

[Abstract]

Weed? I'd be more concerned about alcohol than weed, and I drink beer pretty darn often.

[lostfan916]

If it bothers you that she does it then confront her about it and tell her how you feel. You don't have to mention her friend, but if you know that she does do it and she isn't admitting it to you then you might want to think it through if you want to be in this relationship.

[TK B$K]

Weed? I'd be more concerned about alcohol than weed, and I drink beer pretty darn often.

i give that a +1. weed is FTW... the more goes in the happier you are. Alcohol.... the more goes in, the more comes out/drama/problems/poop/dui/unprotectedsex/etc.

[paolo-]

Just sneak the topic up in a regular conversation and have a decent talk with her about it... No need to be up in arms with this situation.

She probably tried pot a few times and experiments but doesn't want you to know about as it's something personal and knows you'd be against it.

Bottom line, talk.

[Surely]

Here are the facts*:
It's just a plant.
weed is a substance that messes with your head.
People get all up in arms about it, with no evidence or reason to.
It will probably be legal one day.
It isn't dangerous. (well it's about as dangerous as blow drying your hair)


Mayhaps you should ask her about it, have someone halfway intelligent explain it to you, and get yourself a dub.

*I might be a little bias

I agree with some of your, um, facts, but do you really think that telling a minor to go get himself a dub is a good idea? Would you tell him to go get himself a bottle of vodka if this thread was about alcohol?

My view: your girlfriend smoking pot isn't a big deal. The real issue is why she hasn't/won't tell you about it.

Hey, isn't tomorrow 4/20? :cool:

[andrewsd]

I have another fact:

All the American demand for weed is causing unspeakable violence in Mexico just to get you a joint (unless you're positive that it didn't come through Mexico, which I imagine is quite hard to prove).


Mine comes from California and I can prove it. On another note you are only 15 so how others said talk to her and if it doesn't work out oh well move on

[TuffLuffJimmy]

do you really think that telling a minor to go get himself a dub is a good idea?

You're right, I wasn't thinking much
Hey, isn't tomorrow 4/20? :cool:

It most certainly is, but I have a doctor appointment. I wouldn't consider myself enough of an avid smoker though to do something for 4/20.

[ViciousShadow21]

Hey, isn't tomorrow 4/20? :cool:

haha good call.

anyway have you ever heard of something called a gateway drug? weed is pretty harmless as far as im concerned but that isnt the whole story. having gone to a music school where all the freshman start out doing weed and by their sr. year are into all kinds of drugs (cocaine and LSD being the drug of choice). so just be careful. i mean she is only 15 but she could get into other drugs that are a lot worse.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

haha good call.

anyway have you ever heard of something called a gateway drug? weed is pretty harmless as far as im concerned but that isnt the whole story. having gone to a music school where all the freshman start out doing weed and by their sr. year are into all kinds of drugs (cocaine and LSD being the drug of choice). so just be careful. i mean she is only 15 but she could get into other drugs that are a lot worse.

I just rolled around laughing. Seriously? Gateway drug? have anything to support that, other than a ridiculous anecdote? Alcohol and percs can be considered just as much of a gateway drug. In fact most people who drink alcohol started with milk...

[Surely]

You're right, I wasn't thinking much


I figured as much- I've seen you post a number of times, and your advice is usually more responsible than that.
Just wanted to check..... :cool:


It most certainly is, but I have a doctor appointment. I wouldn't consider myself enough of an avid smoker though to do something for 4/20.

Me neither. I used to be though. I've got a lot of work to do tomorrow anyway. Besides, since moving to Los Angeles, I don't have any connections. :(:(

[ViciousShadow21]

I just rolled around laughing. Seriously? Gateway drug? have anything to support that, other than a ridiculous anecdote? Alcohol and percs can be considered just as much of a gateway drug. In fact most people who drink alcohol started with milk...

ok believe whatever you want buddy.

and the whole milk leading to alcohol thing was just plain dumb.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

ok believe whatever you want buddy.

and the whole milk leading to alcohol thing was just plain dumb.

Well there's an even greater correlation of alcoholics starting with milk than there is a correlation of heroin addicts starting with pot.

Correlation does not mean causation.

[ViciousShadow21]

Well there's an even greater correlation of alcoholics starting with milk than there is a correlation of heroin addicts starting with pot.

Correlation does not mean causation.

thats like saying everyone that died, lived at one point.

[ViciousShadow21]

and for those who think it's not a gateway drug read this.

http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/news-left.htm?aid=49

[Demosthenes X]

Here's a thought: the fact that you're asking for advice indicates that you have a problem of some sort with it. If it bothers you enough to ask, chances are it bothers you enough that the issue might very well complicate the relationship.

Another thought: you're 15. How long have you been going out? In any event, if it does effect the relationship, it is not big deal. Life goes on.

My own thoughts: weed is not a big deal. I would not be bothered if my GF smoked weed occasionally. If she was a heavy user, I would be. It comes down to your personal tolerance: if weed user bothers you, then you need to reevaluate the relationship. If it doesn't, then forget about it and move on.

That said, determining your own tolerances can be tough. When I was your age, I thought weed was stupid and would never have gone near someone that did it. By the time I was 17, I had tried weed and was indifferent too it. Your beliefs might well change over time, or they may not. Determining what they are right now may not be easy.

[Surely]

and for those who think it's not a gateway drug read this.

http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/news-left.htm?aid=49

Really? Come on, dude. You've got to do better than that for proof. Lame.

Here's a counter-link (http://www.soop.ca/potfacts/addiction.html) for you.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

and for those who think it's not a gateway drug read this.

http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/news-left.htm?aid=49

yeah, a website devoted to villainizing marijuana sounds like a very reputable source.

[lostfan916]

and for those who think it's not a gateway drug read this.

http://www.marijuanaaddiction.info/news-left.htm?aid=49
But does it say why? Could it be possible that the dealers these kids get the drugs from say "hey, why don't you try this heroin I got?" Yes it could.


And of course no one is saying Weed is teh roxxorz! Like any drug, it's not good for you. But hell, it's no where near as bad as the rep it's got.

[BittenApple]

i wouldn't worry about it a bit at all.

[Sun Baked]

All depends on the crowd she hangs around with, if they are only doing weed with no inclination to experiment further -- likely she won't either.

But if she is with a group where there is more there to experiment with and the pressure to experiment with the next high, it could lead to something worse.

The potheads aren't the problem group, it is the hard drug users that also have pot -- or as some would say, are an easy source of alcohol.

[coyote23]

But does it say why? Could it be possible that the dealers these kids get the drugs from say "hey, why don't you try this heroin I got?" Yes it could.


And of course no one is saying Weed is teh roxxorz! Like any drug, it's not good for you. But hell, it's no where near as bad as the rep it's got.


I've NEVER met a weed dealer who has said, "Hey man, why don't you try this kind heroin now that I've got you strung on my frosty nugs."

[lostfan916]

I've NEVER met a weed dealer who has said, "Hey man, why don't you try this kind heroin now that I've got your strung on my frosty nugs."

Please! I suspect all you know about drugs you've learned from watching Nancy Reagan DARE videos & Starsky and Hutch.
:rolleyes:

I'm on your side buddy! My point was that weed doesn't lead to harder drugs because there's some magical ingredient in it that says "give me more!" but there are other outside factors that have nothing to do with the plant.
;)

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I've NEVER met a weed dealer who has said, "Hey man

Well, me personally, I've never had a drug dealer that I wasn't friends with already from school, or whatever.

However, since a lot of pot comes from Mexico and is brought up by gangs I can really see how that might be an issue. Since heroin and coke are more profitable than weed.

[TK B$K]

HAPPY 4/20! Wheres my East Coasters AT!!!?? LETS GET THIS GOING!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Abstract]

and the whole milk leading to alcohol thing was just plain dumb.


You're right. It's seems just as dumb to call weed a "gateway" drug.

Sure is silly, isn't it?

....but there are other outside factors that have nothing to do with the plant.


You're right, and one of the things people don't really consider is the fact that a person who does drugs is willing to do drugs. So yes, some people who smoke weed will be willing to do harder drugs, just like a person who won't smoke cigs, smoke weed, or even drink alcohol are probably not going to start shooting up.

[eldy]

She probably has herpes and is very promiscuous now.

[Abstract]

Ewww. Herpes is a gateway STD to AIDS. She pretty much has it now.

[TK B$K]

She probably has herpes and is very promiscuous now.

wowww ladies and gentlemen we found the answer :rolleyes:

case closed

[Surely]

Ewww. Herpes is a gateway STD to AIDS. She pretty much has it now.

Well done, sir.

I always thought that weed was a gateway drug to Doritos.......

[jmann]

Well done, sir.

I always thought that weed was a gateway drug to Doritos.......

post of the day :D

[zachplaysguitar]

I don't think it's a big deal. She doesn't have any obligation to tell you everything she does and it's not that big a deal.

HAPPY 4/20! Wheres my East Coasters AT!!!?? LETS GET THIS GOING!! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D


Happy 4/20! :p Going since midnight!

[ViciousShadow21]

look, im all for the weed. im from mass and voted to de-criminalize it this past election. i've also been know to smoke from time to time, but to say that it is not a gateway drug is just naive.

its great that some of you can smoke it and not let it lead to the harder drugs. but i would say 95% of the people i have known that do hard drugs started with weed.

according to that article just under 50% of the twins that smoked weed before they were 17 moved on to harder drugs. that to me is a lot. even if the number was 30% i would still say that it is a lot. drugs become a life style. i have seen a lot of my friends turned onto cocaine lsd, and heroine by the same ppl who get them their weed.

[iBlue]

look, im all for the weed. im from mass and voted to de-criminalize it this past election. i've also been know to smoke from time to time, but to say that it is not a gateway drug is just naive.

its great that some of you can smoke it and not let it lead to the harder drugs. but i would say 95% of the people i have known that do hard drugs started with weed.

according to that article just under 50% of the twins that smoked weed before they were 17 moved on to harder drugs. that to me is a lot. even if the number was 30% i would still say that it is a lot. drugs become a life style. i have seen a lot of my friends turned onto cocaine lsd, and heroine by the same ppl who get them their weed.

It is only a gateway drug in those who were already looking to seek out other things to begin with. That is the tendency of the person and has nothing to do with the weed itself.
It is exactly as someone said earlier, blaming weed as a "gateway drug" is about as proven and logical as blaming milk for being a gateway to alcohol.

Sorry about your friends but I suspect they were going to find their way to those drugs regardless.

edit: and I happen to totally agree with what Mord said below. Scaremongering BS propaganda about weed is sending the wrong message to people. "Hey, weed isn't so bad. I wonder if this here cocaine and heroin is also not so bad..." :-/ See what I mean?

[Mord]

look, im all for the weed. im from mass and voted to de-criminalize it this past election. i've also been know to smoke from time to time, but to say that it is not a gateway drug is just naive.

its great that some of you can smoke it and not let it lead to the harder drugs. but i would say 95% of the people i have known that do hard drugs started with weed.

according to that article just under 50% of the twins that smoked weed before they were 17 moved on to harder drugs. that to me is a lot. even if the number was 30% i would still say that it is a lot. drugs become a life style. i have seen a lot of my friends turned onto cocaine lsd, and heroine by the same ppl who get them their weed.

That's what happens when the drug laws make no sense what so ever. drug education should be focused on educating kids about the really dangerous drugs such as meth, cocaine, heroin and others but from what I've seen of things over there there's so much focus on stopping kids smoking pot that the real dangers of harder drugs just arn't common knowledge, even if kids are educated about them they're likely distrusting of what they've been taught due to how wildly inaccurate what they've been told about pot is.

Why on earth should weed be put in the same schedule as heroin/coke? if drug education clearly defined the true levels of harm then kids would know just what a leap they're making when they're offered a line of coke after having smoked weed for a few months. Logic follows that the weed hasn't messed them up so what's the harm in trying coke?

Flat out lying to the general population doesn't work, neither does scare mongering.

to the op; I'd personally be annoyed about the deception unless it was simply just a case of her not thinking much of it in which case I wouldn't mind so much. Unless she's smoking on a regular basis and it's having a major impact on her life it's no big thing.

[ViciousShadow21]

however you guys want to see it the fact remains that out of the people who do hard drugs such as cocaine, heroine, meth, ect ect. only .2% started without a prior exposure to marijuana. now obviously weed is the most popular drug (and i get the milk thing now. sorry i didnt get your point the first time, it is 4/20 after all:rolleyes:) and over 50% of weed smokers do not continue on to hard drugs, but only 1 out of 500 hard drug users went started using with out marijuana in between.

i wouldnt call this a scare tactic. i would call it a "just be careful" situation. which is what i said in the first place.

[iBlue]

however you guys want to see it the fact remains that out of the people who do hard drugs such as cocaine, heroine, meth, ect ect. only .2% started without a prior exposure to marijuana. now obviously weed is the most popular drug (and i get the milk thing now. sorry i didnt get your point the first time, it is 4/20 after all:rolleyes:) and over 50% of weed smokers do not continue on to hard drugs, but only 1 out of 500 hard drug users went started using with out marijuana in between.

i wouldnt call this a scare tactic. i would call it a "just be careful" situation. which is what i said in the first place.

Oooh, but I bet 100% started out on milk first. I also bet those people learned to walk before running, as it were. Those statistics mean nothing. It is the person not the marijuana itself.

[ViciousShadow21]

Oooh, but I bet 100% started out on milk first. I also bet those people learned to walk before running, as it were. Those statistics mean nothing. It is the person not the marijuana itself.

and who are you to say that the OP's GF isnt one of those ppl.

[iBlue]

and who are you to say that the OP's GF isnt one of those ppl.
I don't believe I've said anything about her actually.

[ViciousShadow21]

I don't believe I've said anything about her actually.

good

all i am saying is that it is more likely that you are going to try other drugs after you try weed.

and for those who keep throwing out the milk analogy, it really isnt relevant because milk is not a drug. it is a part of a balanced breakfast also good at night with some graham crackers. also the amount of people that try weed compared to the amount of ppl that drink milk is minuscule.

[Mord]

good

all i am saying is that it is more likely that you are going to try other drugs after you try weed.


You're also more likely to take drugs if you consume alcohol*, It's a meaningless statistic as if someone's keen on experimenting with drugs they will, there's no effect from weed that makes you want to try hard drugs, you would have to have an inclination to experiment with hard drugs and if you did then why on earth would you turn down weed, the most likely candidate for a kid's first experience with illicit substances.

*I say, ironically given that I don't drink but I do dabble in the odd psychoactive, I value my health too much, so only do things considerably less risky than alcohol.

[Dagless]

I know it's against internet law to speak bad about weed but I've had items stolen from me (including a swanky phone) by people psychologically addicted to weed. The kind of people who smoke it every day.

And of course give weed to an unstable person and boom! Or at least IMO. Alcohol calmed them.

[JNB]

While my personal belief is that grass is, in the pantheon of psychoactive substances, relatively innocuous, and some experimentation is to be expected (and actually healthy to a point in the maturation of an individual), the big takeaway is whether or not someone looks ahead 5, 10, 15 years and makes the decision as to whether this is something they want to continue into adulthood.

Given that it is, and likely will remain, unlawful for the most part means that a choice to partake in later years will provide limits to what someone will be able to do in employment, education, etc. Many, many professions consider use as an adult automatically disqualifying. Others, tbh, consider it a near-requirement. :D

I smoked for a number of years, but my choice was to discontinue because of the career and legal difficulties that continuing would have caused. I wish that cooler heads had prevailed in the arguments over the last seven decades, but alas, that's not been the case.

[Mord]

I know it's against internet law to speak bad about weed but I've had items stolen from me (including a swanky phone) by people psychologically addicted to weed. The kind of people who smoke it every day.

And of course give weed to an unstable person and boom! Or at least IMO. Alcohol calmed them.

It's not the weed, the person you're talking about is just a dick.

[Dagless]

It's not the weed, the person you're talking about is just a dick.

People, not just 1.

But the same can be said for anything that messes with your mind so much that your perception and reality are altered. Legalising more substances like that isn't going to help.

[Kardashian]

Weed? I'd be more concerned about alcohol than weed, and I drink beer pretty darn often.

Completely behind this point.

I didn't bother reading past page 1, b/c opinions seem pretty split - and unless there's some bombshell on page 2 about why the pretty lady started smoking it, or why she kept it a secret, I'm guessing I'm not missing out on much.

I've smoked weed, and continue to do so occasionally. I've also experimented with cocaine whilst being on the "party'' scene. And that is much worse, long and short term, and in the eyes of the law.

What does it boil down too?

Its weed. Its very common, despite its illegal status. More people get in trouble from excessive drinking than smoking weed. Heck, its even prescribed to some people!

Is your girlfriend some low life, two piece trollop because she smokes the occasional dooby? No.

She's a teenager! (I'm not using that as a get out of jail free card, before some PC person comes along and bashes me down with facts and "would you say the same if she was out stealing? drinking? selling herself? She's a teenager, she's inexperienced!")

Weed is not all that bad.

Also, you're 15 years of age, its not as though you're in a stable relationship with deep rooted commitment to one another. Don't go getting so huffy. She's not lying about something which could directly hurt you. And the person who said "well if she smokes it, and you're there, you're in trouble!" - obviously not, she doesn't even know the OP knows. Maybe she didn't tell you b/c she thought you'd freak out. Or b/c some of the people she does it with (if its not by herself) don't like 'outsiders' knowing. Or b/c its something she does, and doesn't want you involved in - she's a 15 year old girl after all, its a difficult age - ie: not wanting to share, want to try new things etc etc. Not just for girls, for boys, too.

Its all swings and roundabouts. As long as she's safe and not operating heavy machinery, I really don't see the big deal.

Edit: I've seen on Page 2 someone's been spouting that "its a slippery slope" ***** - weed is not a gateway drug. I'd taken chang before weed. I rarely use chang anymore, maybe once or twice a year. Weed, I could count on both hands the amount of times. If you want to do harder drugs, you will. Regardless of where you started.

Edit 2: While my personal belief is that grass is, in the pantheon of psychoactive substances, relatively innocuous, and some experimentation is to be expected (and actually healthy to a point in the maturation of an individual), the big takeaway is whether or not someone looks ahead 5, 10, 15 years and makes the decision as to whether this is something they want to continue into adulthood

*applause*

[obeygiant]

everything is better with a Bag-o-weed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_fldwTQaG4)! :D

happy 420!

[edesignuk]

happy 420!http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/gifs/dudeRock.gif

[Rt&Dzine]

but I am just not comfortable with her doing it. ... Should I not care?

If you're not comfortable with it, then you do care. That's what matters here, not other people's opinions about weed. But you may not want to overreact to hearsay.

[chrmjenkins]

Here are the facts*:
It's just a plant. So are cocaine (cocoa) and heroin (poppy)
People get all up in arms about it, with no evidence or reason to. At best, there is conflicting evidence on it being a carcinogen. At worst, it is one. It also has the ability to impair judgment to the point of making one make similar decisions as if they were under the influence of alcohol.
It will probably be legal one day. Yes, it probably will.
It isn't dangerous. (well it's about as dangerous as blow drying your hair)False, see above


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg/350px-Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg.png

As you can see, it is a comparatively harmless drug. That doesn't mean it doesn't have risks (especially since it is illegal). Even if it were legal, you have to be careful about what situations you are in as you don't want to have impaired judgment causing you to make bad choices such as operating a vehicle impaired.

Also, it's not physically harmless. Repeated use can impair cognitive functions (which return after use is tapered) and studies have suggested it is also a carcinogen.

From personal experience, I did it in middle school and high school. I quit because there were so many more things that were important to me, and I don't regret it. Also, for what anecdotes are worth, the guy who got me started on it died at 19 from an oxycodone overdose. Personally, I wouldn't say marijuana has a causal nature for other drugs, but it most certainly has a correlative nature.

[pooky]

What were we talking about?

I'm gonna go get a burrito, you want one?

[yojitani]

I know it's against internet law to speak bad about weed but ...

What are the possible punishments for transgressions of this law? :D

To the OP: To work out this problem don't think about the weed, think about the problems of honesty (girlfriend) and duplicity (her friend). These are the issues here. The legality and health risks aren't... and she's a teen, don't expect her to think about her adult years any more than you do.

[Abstract]

good

Do you ever have a point?

You do this in so many threads.

1. You make a post.
2. You're wrong, and someone calls you on it.
3. You either tell people some BS stats to save yourself, or you reply with, "Whatever. It's my opinion, and I don't care if you tell me....uh....facts backed up by evidence and links, because those weren't my experiences."


Couldn't you say this in every situation? Well apparently, the answer is yes.....

[obeygiant]

What were we talking about?

I'm gonna go get a burrito, you want one?

Look, let me explain something. I'm not Mr. Lebowski. You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. That or His Dudeness... Duder... or El Duderino, if, you know, you're not into the whole brevity thing.

yes on the burrito. :)

[Mord]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg/350px-Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg.png

That chart is just bizzare. LSD does not cause *any* physical harm what so ever, GHB can be quite harmful as it's easy to overdose with it, it's also addictive. It's pretty much impossible to get addicted to ecstasy as it's a self regulating drug (doesn't work if you take it on too regular a basis). The physical harm of alcohol is *far* higher than ketamine and it's no where near as addictive as amphetamine.

The blatant discrepancies are just too numerous to list.

[chrmjenkins]

That chart is just bizzare. LSD does not cause *any* physical harm what so ever, GHB can be quite harmful as it's easy to overdose with it, it's also addictive. It's pretty much impossible to get addicted to ecstasy as it's a self regulating drug (doesn't work if you take it on too regular a basis). The physical harm of alcohol is *far* higher than ketamine and it's no where near as addictive as amphetamine.

The blatant discrepancies are just too numerous to list.

PDF warning.

Source (http://www.antiproibizionisti.it/public/docs/thelancet_20070323.pdf)

[Fake Hipster]

You're a teenager. You're supposed to be experimenting, as is she. Whether you should be worries depends more on her than it does on the drug. Is she not trustworthy? Is she acting differently? Hanging out with different people? If shes fine, dont worry about it. A lot of people smoke pot, theres a very good chance your parents have smoked pot. If interested, do some research on why pot was criminalized. It has more to do with racism and bigotry than actual danger than you may think.

[ViciousShadow21]

Do you ever have a point?

You do this in so many threads.

1. You make a post.
2. You're wrong, and someone calls you on it.

examples?

and i dont know how i can be wrong on this issue. this is pretty much an opinion based argument. i consider it to be a gateway drug and you dont. move on. you get your panties in a bunch about everything. its like the glossy v matte discussion.

3. You either tell people some BS stats to save yourself, or you reply with, "Whatever. It's my opinion, and I don't care if you tell me....uh....facts backed up by evidence and links, because those weren't my experiences."

what "evidence and links" have people given me? and when did i ever say this? i said that in my experience at music school a lot of kids moved from weed to harder drugs. i understand that this is my own experience but what else can i go off of to form my opinions. i only have my own experiences.

[Abstract]

and i dont know how i can be wrong on this issue. this is pretty much an opinion based argument. i consider it to be a gateway drug and you dont.

Lots of people have tried to show you that your "stats", as true as they are, are absolutely meaningless. It's just like the "milk" example is completely true, but completely meaningless. You said you understood the milk example, but then you follow it up by posting more FUD, and more stats of the same meaningless nature. Why? :confused:

I don't mind if people don't understand, but if you understand why the stats were meaningless, why post more FUD? If I see the fault of my ways, or I've learnt something new, I adjust my reply the next time the topic arises again.

its like the glossy v matte discussion.

Which we all love so much.

Anyway, that's entirely different. Whether a glossy screen is more reflective or not isn't up for debate. Glossy reflects more light, while matte surfaces don't. That's why the "matte" is matte. It's not just a name.

However, whether it actually bothers you is purely opinion, and up to the individual. If it doesn't bother you, then it doesn't bother you. I've never said otherwise.



what "evidence and links" have people given me?

Clearly, I meant in a general sense around these forums. Some people are simply never going to change their mind because of something posted on the internet.

I don't know why, but perhaps I shouldn't care.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

a lot of lies, especially the image

First off cocaine and heroin are not plants, they are derived from plants and made hundreds of times more potent. I'm all for chewing cocoa leaves or even licking poppy juice, but as for heroin and coke...

[chrmjenkins]

First off cocaine and heroin are not plants, they are derived from plants and made hundreds of times more potent. I'm all for chewing cocoa leaves or even licking poppy juice, but as for heroin and coke...

I never said they didn't go through some process to reach their final states. I was merely pointing out a fallacy by showing that many illicit drugs come from plants.

If you believe the image is a lie, perhaps you'd care to provide research that disputes the conclusions of the research that led to it?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I never said they didn't go through some process to reach their final states. I was merely pointing out a fallacy by showing that many illicit drugs come from plants.

If you believe the image is a lie, perhaps you'd care to provide research that disputes the conclusions of the research that led to it?

Mord already disputed your silly graph.

[chrmjenkins]

Mord already disputed your silly graph.

With personal opinion, no sources cited.

Besides, you quoted me as saying "lies." What is a lie? Is it not a depressant (and retard motor skills)? Is it conclusively not a carcinogen? Do you contend it has no effect on cognitive abilities, despite frequency of use?

[Fake Hipster]

From wikipedia:

Potential risks of LSD use

LSD is generally considered nontoxic, although it may temporarily impair the ability to make sensible judgments and understand common dangers, thus making the user more susceptible to accidents and personal injury. There is also some indication that LSD may trigger a dissociative fugue state in individuals who are taking certain classes of antidepressants such as lithium salts and tricyclics. In such a state, the user has an impulse to wander, and may not be aware of his or her actions, which can lead to physical injury.[56] SSRIs are believed to interact more benignly, with a tendency to noticeably reduce LSD's subjective effects.[57] Similar and perhaps greater effects have also been reported with MAOIs.[56]

As Albert Hofmann reports in LSD – My Problem Child, the early pharmacological testing Sandoz performed on the compound (before he ever discovered its psychoactive properties) indicated that LSD has a pronounced effect upon the mammalian uterus. Sandoz's testing showed that LSD can stimulate uterine contractions with efficacy comparable to ergobasine, the active uterotonic component of the ergot fungus (Hofmann's work on ergot derivatives also produced a modified form of ergobasine which became a widely accepted medication used in obstetrics, under the trade name Methergine). Therefore, LSD use by pregnant women could be dangerous and is contraindicated.[2]

Initial studies in the 1960s and 1970s raised concerns that LSD might produce genetic damage[58] or developmental abnormalities in fetuses. However, these initial reports were based on in vitro studies or were poorly controlled and have not been substantiated. In studies of chromosomal changes in human users and in monkeys, the balance of evidence suggests no increase in chromosomal damage. For example, studies were conducted with people who had been given LSD in a clinical setting.[58] White blood cells from these people were examined for visible chromosomal abnormalities. Overall, there appeared to be no lasting changes. Several studies have been conducted using illicit LSD users and provide a less clear picture. Interpretation of this data is generally complicated by factors such as the unknown chemical composition of street LSD, concurrent use of other psychoactive drugs, and diseases such as hepatitis in the sampled populations. It seems possible that the small number of genetic abnormalities reported in users of street LSD is either coincidental or related to factors other than a toxic effect of pure LSD.[58]

[Fake Hipster]

GHB Dangers: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid#Dangers)

Death while using GHB is most likely when it is combined with alcohol or other depressant drugs; however, as with all substances, an overdose of GHB alone may be lethal. A review of the details of 194 deaths attributed to or related to GHB over a ten-year period[43] found that most were from respiratory depression caused by interaction with alcohol or other drugs; several were from choking on vomit and asphyxiating; remaining causes of death included motor vehicle and other accidents. The review included 70 cases where high levels of GHB were found post-mortem without concomitant ingestion of other drugs or alcohol.

[Abstract]

With personal opinion, no sources cited.

Besides, you quoted me as saying "lies." What is a lie? Is it not a depressant (and retard motor skills)? Is it conclusively not a carcinogen? Do you contend it has no effect on cognitive abilities, despite frequency of use?

It does all those things, but I think he just disagrees with alcohol's placement on the graph.

Besides, in the graph, what is defined as "physical harm"? There's definitely harm to a number of organs such as your liver and kidneys, but perhaps the amount of harm due to a single event (i.e., night out) is small.. The amount of harm caused by weed is perhaps the same, although far different.


However, if by "physical harm", this includes the harm you cause yourself when you're drunk, then alcohol rates far worse than weed. The graph appears to ignore personal harm, so I don't know if the graph is very meaningful. "Physical harm" shouldn't just refer to the direct harm that alcohol has on the body, because the harm you cause yourself, to others, and to other people's property WHILE you're drunk is one of the major concerns regarding alcohol. This graph would ignore that.

If you look at weed, people don't smoke weed tonight and die, nor do they get really violent afterwards, or get so incredibly dizzy that walking is a huge risk.

[Mord]

PDF warning.

Source (http://www.antiproibizionisti.it/public/docs/thelancet_20070323.pdf)

Two independent groups of experts were asked to do the ratings. The first was the national group of consultant psychiatrists who were on the Royal College of Psychiatrists’ register as specialists in addiction. Replies were received and analysed from 29 of the 77 registered doctors who were asked to assess 14 compounds—heroin, cocaine, alcohol, barbiturates, amphetamine, methadone, benzodiazepines, solvents, buprenorphine, tobacco, ecstasy, cannabis, LSD, and steroids.

Personal opinion^

Having had personal experience of some of those practitioners their word is as invalid as anyone's. The study is not based upon medical fact.

At best all they can say of LSD is that it can possibly have negative interactions with certain classes of anti-depressants. Fact of the matter is that eating chocolate can have harmful effects on certain AD's.

It's meaningless and off topic, that chart is just entirely flawed.

[crazytom]

Hi, I am 15 and my girlfriend I have found out has been doing weed. I seriously don't think weed is that bad, I've never done it or anything, but I have a couple of friends that have done it, but I am just not comfortable with her doing it. She's never said anything about it to me or talked about it, so I don't know what to think? Should I not care?

If it doesn't affect your relationship, then it should not be a concern. If you care about her and see that it's affecting her in a negative way, then approach her about the subject. You have to let your girlfriend be herself, if you want to ~control~ what she does with her own body, then you're in no position to be in a relationship...at least not a successful one.

While I'm definitely for legalization, that discussion would best be left to the political forum.

I was hoping to post a link to Family Guy's "Bag of Weed" song, but apparently FOX doesn't want any more exposure for a great show than it already gets.

[chrmjenkins]

Personal opinion^

No, not personal opinion. Professional medical opinion. In this case, professional medical opinions are based on facts and the conclusions are based on those facts combined with medical knowledge to reach a conclusion. The standard is much higher than any generic definition of the word.

Having had personal experience of some of those practitioners their word is as invalid as anyone's. The study is not based upon medical fact.

Attempting to undermine their credibility avoids the actual arguments.

At best all they can say of LSD is that it can possibly have negative interactions with certain classes of anti-depressants. Fact of the matter is that eating chocolate can have harmful effects on certain AD's.

It's meaningless and off topic, that chart is just entirely flawed.

You can call it flawed, but it's a given that people will disagree with the terminology since their axis terms are so broad and are a conglomeration of factors. That doesn't mean it isn't instructive in some way. As for LSD, the earlier quoted wikipedia entry is informative, though you are free to debate the quality of its information.

[Abstract]

No, not personal opinion. Professional medical opinion. In this case, professional medical opinions are based on facts and the conclusions are based on those facts

It's still personal opinion though, not fact. Surveys are never fact. If it was fact, then survey results would all be identical, or very close to identical.


As for LSD, the earlier quoted wikipedia entry is informative, though you are free to debate the quality of its information.

Doesn't the information on LSD found at Wikipedia prove that what Mord said was pretty much spot on? :confused:

I'm sure that's not what you were trying to point out, so I'm just asking for clarification on what exactly you meant.

[chrmjenkins]

It's still personal opinion though, not fact. Surveys are never fact. If it was fact, then survey results would all be identical, or very close to identical.

Absolutely, that's why I said that conclusions were inferred based on facts, not that the conclusions themselves were facts.


Doesn't the information on LSD found at Wikipedia prove that what Mord said was pretty much spot on? :confused:

I'm sure that's not what you were trying to point out, so I'm just asking for clarification on what exactly you meant.

That's up for debate. With any powerful hallucinogen, there's the potential for personal harm.

[Abstract]

Everything is always up for debate. It just depends on whether you want to believe the references cited.

Like I was trying to tell ViciousShadow, you can debate till the cows come home if you choose not to believe the information given to you. At some point, someone has to believe the info, or like you said, it's up for debate. That wasn't intended to imply anything negative, fwiw.

Perhaps someone else could provide a reference that's more reputable. I doubt Wikipedia is the only place to find decent info. :o

[Kardashian]

I had some wine and weed on the beach earlier.

Good times.

[leekohler]

Ahh...LSD...those were fun days... best drug I ever used.

Unfortunately like with anything- it got boring and predictable. I just simply couldn't be bothered with it anymore at some point.

[TK B$K]

Ahh...LSD...those were fun days... best drug I ever used.

Unfortunately like with anything- it got boring and predictable. I just simply couldn't be bothered with it anymore at some point.

+1

i agree with the predictable part, thats why it kinda evolved into a "sport" (if you will) for us... i have scars.. and stories ill never forget :D

[leekohler]

+1

i agree with the predictable part, thats why it kinda evolved into a "sport" (if you will) for us... i have scars.. and stories ill never forget :D

Oh god...now you're bringing me back! We seemed to always like to climb things on acid- like outdoor TV antennas. :) I've got some scars of my own. Good times though!

[obeygiant]

The liquid LSD is definitely smoother coming on and off than the stuff on the little tabs of paper. I remember clenching my teeth. :D

[ViciousShadow21]

Like I was trying to tell ViciousShadow, you can debate till the cows come home if you choose not to believe the information given to you. At some point, someone has to believe the info, or like you said, it's up for debate. That wasn't intended to imply anything negative, fwiw.

give it up.

you always think you're right and people that disagree with you are stubborn idiots. why cant you understand that the point of debate is not to prove someone is right or wrong but to present your opinion on what the information given means to you?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

give it up.

you always think you're right and people that disagree with you are stubborn idiots. why cant you understand that the point of debate is not to prove someone is right or wrong but to present your opinion on what the information given means to you?

Why did you have to make this personal and attack one poster?

[ViciousShadow21]

Why did you have to make this personal and attack one poster?

this is why.

Do you ever have a point?

You do this in so many threads.

1. You make a post.
2. You're wrong, and someone calls you on it.
3. You either tell people some BS stats to save yourself, or you reply with, "Whatever. It's my opinion, and I don't care if you tell me....uh....facts backed up by evidence and links, because those weren't my experiences."


Couldn't you say this in every situation? Well apparently, the answer is yes.....

[TuffLuffJimmy]

this is why.

Well he at least has some evidence to back himself up... mostly your previous posts ;) and one that you just made.

[ViciousShadow21]

Well he at least has some evidence to back himself up... mostly your previous posts ;) and one that you just made.

i dont see how my last post or any post i've made backs him up

[Kardashian]

Ahh...LSD...those were fun days... best drug I ever used.

Unfortunately like with anything- it got boring and predictable. I just simply couldn't be bothered with it anymore at some point.

This is how I began to think of chang.

[deorg]

I really dont like weed, I have done it lots of time, but the other day in a rave (sasha was playin) I did Popers and it blew me away (only for 30 sec but it did its job very well)

[TSE]

Guys, it's not the fact that I think weed is bad, but if she was doing this or even smoking a cigarette I would be uncomfortable about it because I know it is bad for a person. I don't want her to do stuff that harms herself, I care about her. From what I heard she does it once a week. I've known her for about 4 years and have been going out with her for about 3 months.

I talked to her today about it, and she admitted that she has done it, I didn't tell her she should stop but I hinted at it. I'm just really stressed out about it right now, and I honestly don't know why I am.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Guys, it's not the fact that I think weed is bad, but if she was doing this or even smoking a cigarette I would be uncomfortable about it because I know it is bad for a person. I don't want her to do stuff that harms herself, I care about her. From what I heard she does it once a week. I've known her for about 4 years and have been going out with her for about 3 months.

I talked to her today about it, and she admitted that she has done it, I didn't tell her she should stop but I hinted at it. I'm just really stressed out about it right now, and I honestly don't know why I am.

You shouldn't be. You're just stressed about it, because you don't know much about it. Just realize that drinking soda regularly is probably worse than smoking pot weekly. (It's 4/20, chill bro. Also I do not have any evidence to support that bit about soda, don't take it as fact)

[fireshot91]

Welcome to the date of 4/20 folks!

[yojitani]

Ahh...LSD...those were fun days... best drug I ever used.

Unfortunately like with anything- it got boring and predictable. I just simply couldn't be bothered with it anymore at some point.

+2. I wouldn't say it got boring and predictable, but at some point I too couldn't be bothered.

[Abstract]

i dont see how my last post or any post i've made backs him up

Well everything I said in that post, you've done in this thread.


I think you're stubborn, and you think I'm being stubborn. Great. This stubborn person still learns a lot from people in this forum though. Yes, I usually have an opinion going into a thread, but if I learn something new, or I learn that I was wrong, my opinion changes. I come into this forum all the time and read the threads (I rarely post) just to hear other people's views.


I talked to her today about it, and she admitted that she has done it, I didn't tell her she should stop but I hinted at it. I'm just really stressed out about it right now, and I honestly don't know why I am.

I think that's all you can do about it. I don't know if you can mention it again without annoying her, which may lead to her hiding more from you later.

[iJon]

Guys, it's not the fact that I think weed is bad, but if she was doing this or even smoking a cigarette I would be uncomfortable about it because I know it is bad for a person. I don't want her to do stuff that harms herself, I care about her. From what I heard she does it once a week. I've known her for about 4 years and have been going out with her for about 3 months.

I talked to her today about it, and she admitted that she has done it, I didn't tell her she should stop but I hinted at it. I'm just really stressed out about it right now, and I honestly don't know why I am.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it just may not work out for you and this girl. You guys have been going out for 3 months which isn't too long.

I remember when I was in high school (before my smoking days) I had a girlfriend who started experimenting. I thought it was the worse thing in the world and gave her grief and asked her to stop. She kept on doing it and we eventually ended.

Years later I eventually tried the herbal out and realized it wasn't so bad. It made me laugh at how I reacted back in the day. Either way, hinting at her to stop things when you've only been going out for 3 months will probably backfire on you. She's going to do it regardless but she'll just keep on hiding it from you.

Good luck.

jon

[obeygiant]

A "Legalize Mushrooms" commercial. link (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1906619)

LOL

[ViciousShadow21]

Well everything I said in that post, you've done in this thread.


I think you're stubborn, and you think I'm being stubborn. Great. This stubborn person still learns a lot from people in this forum though. Yes, I usually have an opinion going into a thread, but if I learn something new, or I learn that I was wrong, my opinion changes. I come into this forum all the time and read the threads (I rarely post) just to hear other people's views.

This is so frustrating. but i will bite...

what great life fulfilling lesson should i have learned from this thread?

and you dont "rarely post!" according to your post ratio you've posted 9 times a day since 2002!! i would call that a lot.

A "Legalize Mushrooms" commercial. link (http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1906619)

LOL

that was awesome. "they're made of mush *pause* and rooms."

[Abstract]

This is so frustrating. but i will bite...

what great life fulfilling lesson should i have learned from this thread?


I'm only referring to marijuana being a gateway drug.

Does it have to be life-fulfilling for you to learn something? :confused: You could learn something about drugs so that the next time the topic comes up, you'll know a bit more.


and you dont "rarely post!" according to your post ratio you've posted 9 times a day since 2002!! i would call that a lot.


I said "in this forum" (Politics, Religion, Social Issues), not at Mac Rumours, which is a message board. I have posted a lot since 2002 at this board, but not in this particular forum.

[ViciousShadow21]

I'm only referring to marijuana being a gateway drug.

Does it have to be life-fulfilling for you to learn something? :confused: You could learn something about drugs so that the next time the topic comes up, you'll know a bit more.

ok so why do i have to agree with you to learn something? and why cant you learn from me?

I said "in this forum" (Politics, Religion, Social Issues), not at Mac Rumours, which is a message board. I have posted a lot since 2002 at this board, but not in this particular forum.

ah i see. sorry im not totally down with the lingo, only been a member since March '09

[TuffLuffJimmy]

ok so why do i have to agree with you to learn something? and why cant you learn from me?

Because you haven't provided anything but propaganda...

[ViciousShadow21]

Because you haven't provided anything but propaganda...

propaganda:confused:

riiight cause im really a anit-weed activist that has been waiting here on macforums for someone to post a topic like this so i could spread to all of you how weed is a gateway drug.:rolleyes:

[Iscariot]

what great life fulfilling lesson should i have learned from this thread?

To bow before me.
and you dont "rarely post!" according to your post ratio you've posted 9 times a day since 2002!! i would call that a lot.

Bow before me.
that was awesome. "they're made of mush *pause* and rooms."

Bow before me!

[ViciousShadow21]

To bow before me.


Bow before me.


Bow before me!

ha but :confused:

[iBlue]

ha but :confused:

The inane is all that's left. I gave up with you earlier on because I got tired of repeating myself only to have you say you understand but then proceed to repeat your opinion over and over. I think Abstract had you pegged actually. I don't expect you to really get this either though.

[Iscariot]

The Prince is all that's left.

Fix't.

[iBlue]

The Prince is all that's left. Fix't.

Well I do like to party like it's 1999.

[ViciousShadow21]

The inane is all that's left. I gave up with you earlier on because I got tired of repeating myself only to have you say you understand but then proceed to repeat your opinion over and over. I think Abstract had you pegged actually. I don't expect you to really get this either though.

so if i dont give in to you and everybody else's opinion i get pegged as a being ignorant on the matter. all i said to the OP originally was be careful because weed is considered to be a gateway drug and could lead to harder durgs down the road.

weed is pretty harmless as far as im concerned but that isnt the whole story. having gone to a music school where all the freshman start out doing weed and by their sr. year are into all kinds of drugs (cocaine and LSD being the drug of choice). so just be careful. i mean she is only 15 but she could get into other drugs that are a lot worse.

i even say that i think that it is pretty harmless!! its not like i was saying that she is definitely going to start doing cocaine and heroine just because she is doing weed. you guys just enjoy blowing things out of proportion.

[iMacZealot]

Pot is especially fun if you and your girlfriend were to watch Richard Quest while being stoned. He's definitely worth a toke.

[ceezy3000]

on the subject of weed who names this stuff? green crack, blueberry yum yum, white widow, durban poison, ice ganja, the list goes on and on...

[ViciousShadow21]

on the subject of weed who names this stuff? green crack, blueberry yum yum, white widow, durban poison, ice ganja, the list goes on and on...

i love Ali G's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdmuVS7O6FY&feature=related) interview with the drug guy. the naming starts at 4:24 and goes on for a good 20 seconds.

[iBlue]

Yeah, I'm not bothering. I might try my luck with my brick walls though.


Pot is especially fun if you and your girlfriend were to watch Richard Quest while being stoned. He's definitely worth a toke.
I don't know who he is but if you've got a girlfriend there are MUCH more fun things you could be doing under the influence. ;) :D

on the subject of weed who names this stuff? green crack, blueberry yum yum, white widow, durban poison, ice ganja, the list goes on and on...
"Breeders" and who knows what's going on in their heads. :D

[iMacZealot]

Why Richard Quest is your national mascot, iBlue. ;)

[Mord]

Guys, it's not the fact that I think weed is bad, but if she was doing this or even smoking a cigarette I would be uncomfortable about it because I know it is bad for a person. I don't want her to do stuff that harms herself, I care about her. From what I heard she does it once a week. I've known her for about 4 years and have been going out with her for about 3 months.

I talked to her today about it, and she admitted that she has done it, I didn't tell her she should stop but I hinted at it. I'm just really stressed out about it right now, and I honestly don't know why I am.

tbh I understand where you're coming from, my girlfriend used to smoke when we went to raves and could mow through grass if it was in the house, after months of it intensely bothering me I asked her to stop and she did, it was never a big thing for her so it was very little effort. if it's primarily the smoking aspect that worries you why not suggest she look into acquiring a vaporiser, they're a bit spendy but worth it if you're going to do that sort of thing.

I really dont like weed, I have done it lots of time, but the other day in a rave (sasha was playin) I did Popers and it blew me away (only for 30 sec but it did its job very well)

Poppers cause a massive rush of whatever you're on at the time by bubbling it up in your blood ;), they're only really useful for teh ghey/pervy sexing otherwise :p

[BrettFarve04]

FACT- THE US IS IN HUUUUGE RESCISSION

**Within this presidential term or the next, the great herbski will be legalized. Marijuana will be treated like a cash crop and taxed (I've heard some instances where marijuana is already being sold and taxed by the US government.) Fact of the matter is, weed pretty much harmless (besides the whole smoke in the lungs thing lol) You don't hear stories in the news about somebody overdosing on THC??

[Shotglass]

If she smokes a dime a day, she has a problem, and you should get help for her. If all she does is light up from time to time, you have no problem what so ever.
Weed will probably be legal relatively soon, and it's absolutely harmless compared to other things that everyone puts in their bodies on a daily basis. Smoking weed doesn't mean you're depressed (exception: a dime a day), and it doesn't mean you're running away from anything. If you tried it (which you should imho), you'll find it's quite enjoyable.

Now, about YOUR problem: Your girlfriend's doing something and she isn't telling you. Maybe this should tell you something. I'm not saying you have to freak out, but you might want to ask her why she's hiding it from you.

[zioxide]

If she smokes a dime a day, she has a problem, and you should get help for her. If all she does is light up from time to time, you have no problem what so ever.

A dime a day is like nothing.. a dime of most stuff is barely enough for a joint.

Weed will probably be legal relatively soon, and it's absolutely harmless compared to other things that everyone puts in their bodies on a daily basis. Smoking weed doesn't mean you're depressed (exception: a dime a day), and it doesn't mean you're running away from anything. If you tried it (which you should imho), you'll find it's quite enjoyable.

Smoking weed is fun.. it enhances your senses and makes everything (food, movies, music, sex, etc) even better. As long as you just do it in free time and work/school or any other commitments that you have aren't affected, it's not a big deal.

Guys, it's not the fact that I think weed is bad, but if she was doing this or even smoking a cigarette I would be uncomfortable about it because I know it is bad for a person. I don't want her to do stuff that harms herself, I care about her. From what I heard she does it once a week. I've known her for about 4 years and have been going out with her for about 3 months.
Honestly, it's not going to do anything to her. Taking a few rips once a week isn't going to give her lung cancer or anything like that. Marijuana isn't physically addictive at all, and it's basically impossible to overdose on it.

[Shotglass]

A dime a day is like nothing.. a dime of most stuff is barely enough for a joint.Around here, everybody stretches their weed with tobacco. Don't ask me why, I've never seen anyone smoke a joint with just mj in it.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Around here, everybody stretches their weed with tobacco. Don't ask me why, I've never seen anyone smoke a joint with just mj in it.

eweeee I can't stand spliffs. I'm fine with cigarettes and I love my joints, but together it's just nasty.

[iBlue]

eweeee I can't stand spliffs. I'm fine with cigarettes and I love my joints, but together it's just nasty.

Agreed. Adding tobacco is like a crime against weed. Bleeeuugh!

[iNash]

I used to have girlfriend who was quite a bit older than me and she would smoke 2 joints a day. (She used to roll them a lot weaker than most of my other smoking friends).

She would have the first one at about 7pm when her daughter went to bed and the second about 11pm before we went to bed.

I NEVER used to think anything of it. I would always go outside with her to keep her company and smoke one of my cigs at the same time.

Since then I have also had girlfriends who are totally opposed to smoking weed.

I think this boils down to personal preference, if she doesn't want to tell you then so be it, maybe she is worried it will effect things between you two who knows?

I think the two big points here, the first is:

She doesn't HAVE to tell you everything. Some people worry about this and chalk it up to lack of trust / secret keeping etc. - NOT THE CASE.

I don't tell my girlfriend EVERYTHING just as she doesn't. There is too much stuff for me to tell her that a lot of it I forget/slips my mind. If she asks me, I will tell her no questions but I don't give her a running commentry of my life.

For example, end of next month I have a stag do to go to in 'Dam and she doesn't know yet, purely because we've had other things to talk about...

The second point (which has been mentioned):

NB. I have tried to phrase this the right way 3 times now, please understand this does not mean to come across as patronizing or "I am older therefore holier than though":

You are only 15, which in the grand scheme of things is very young especially when we start talking about relationships. If you are beginning to question this as much as you are now then I am sorry but maybe it's not going to work out?

I was in my 20's when I first had what I considered a serious relationship. Even now, I don't know what the future is (and no we don't do the soppy "We'll be together forever stuff" :rolleyes: )

Whilst I know that there are examples of high-school sweethearts that stay together for many, many years and get married etc (BTW: I am not saying that's what you two should be thinking of right now) ;)

However there are also examples (many) where this doesn't happen.


As said earlier, don't accuse her of a crime but sit down with her, honestly tell her you have noticed it (eyes/smell is a good suggestion) and tell her how you feel about it, and also about her not telling you. Be honest with your feelings and talk.

If she takes it well, great congrats if not move on, offer to be there for her as a friend and:


There are plenty of fish in the sea


There really are :)

[carbonmotion]

I don't think marijuana use should be illegal, like many other drugs, it has a medical application. Also like many other drugs, it has harmful effects toward certain people, especially those predisposed to addiction. Kids shouldn't be doing it as part of the experimentations of life, instead it should be distributed by a medical professional based on need.

[dukebound85]

here is why weed should be frowned upon....makes you an irresponisble person lol

hell, just listen to the lyrics of the song....although i remember when it came out i laughed hard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=305vRNoofr8

yea, i know many here know the song lol

[iBlue]

here is why weed should be frowned upon....makes you an irresponisble person lol

hell, just listen to the lyrics of the song....although i remember when it came out i laughed hard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=305vRNoofr8

yea, i know many here know the song lol

"Not available in your country" (god that pisses me off, F U youtube/record industry/whoever made it so the majority of music vids are not available in the UK on yotuube)

Can I assume this is the song "I was gonna ________ but then I got high..." ?

[TuffLuffJimmy]

"Not available in your country" (god that pisses me off, F U youtube/record industry/whoever made it so the majority of music vids are not available in the UK on yotuube)

Can I assume this is the song "I was gonna ________ but then I got high..." ?

Yeah, that's a safe assumption.

[Journojulz]

'Drugs are something to grow out of'