Air Force One 'photo op' fly-over scares New Yorkers

[jaw04005]

"NEW YORK (WABC) -- A photo shoot involving an Air Force aircraft and two fighter jets led to hundreds of frightened calls from residents and workers in Lower Manhattan Monday.

The Defense Department conducted the photo opportunity, which involved two F-16s escorting the plane, a Boeing 747, over Battery Park City and up the Hudson River.

The large plane is the military version of the 747.

"In coordination with the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the Presidential Airlift Group conducted a aerial photo mission in the New York City area on 27 Apr 2009. This mission, involving the VC-25 and an F-16, was conducted in conjunction with normally scheduled continuation training for assigned aircrew members. This mission was coordinated for the Upper New York Bay, south of the Holland Tunnel and in the Newark Bay north of the Staten Island Expressway between the hours of 1000L and 1030L."

The maneuver, part of a photo op, was coordinated in advance with the FAA and state and local officials.

The Defense Department "coordinated the flight with FAA," Peters said, "and we made the notifications to the city of New York, as well as the 311 and 911 centers, the NYPD, New Jersey State Police and various operations centers in the New York area."

City officials were notified, but not the general public.

Many frightened residents and workers in Lower Manhattan called authorities asking for information, and some buildings even self evacuated.

The planes flew over Lower Manhattan and in the vicinity of the Statue of Liberty during the 30-minute flight, between 10 a.m. and 10:30 a.m."

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6782403

[dejo]

Why were people frightened? :confused:

[jaw04005]

Why were people frightened? :confused:

Because it's a large commercial aircraft with a military escort flying somewhat low in restricted air space. 9/11 memories?

I think the bigger question is why is the Defense Department holding "photo ops" for Air Force One, and how much did this "exercise" cost?

[r.j.s]

I think the bigger question is why is the Defense Department holding "photo ops" for Air Force One, and how much did this "exercise" cost?

Apparently, it was a regularly scheduled training exercise for the crew, they just adjusted the altitude.

[dejo]

Because it's a large commercial aircraft with a military escort flying somewhat low in restricted air space. 9/11 memories?
Okay, that's what I figured. Just would've maybe expected the article to explain that somewhat.

[michael.lauden]

Because it's a large commercial aircraft with a military escort flying somewhat low in restricted air space. 9/11 memories?

I think the bigger question is why is the Defense Department holding "photo ops" for Air Force One, and how much did this "exercise" cost?

who cares you're going to pay for it anyways - even if it isn't fair

pilots gota learn to fly dude

[jaw04005]

Okay, that's what I figured. Just would've maybe expected the article to explain that somewhat.

Here's a better article:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7439287&page=1

My friend said everyone freaked out and they evacuated her building.

[dejo]

Here's a better article:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7439287&page=1

My friend said everyone freaked out and they evacuated her building.
Okay, thanks.

Interesting. I think this may have been a case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't". By not publicizing the event enough, they are accused of inciting fear among residents. But had they publicized it enough, there probably would've been complaints (perhaps even from the same people) of "exposing this maneuver to undue attention. i.e. if the terrorists are looking for an easy target, here's when and where to bring your RPGs". Perhaps a bit of an exaggeration but you get my drift.

[Brien]

^ Probably. That said, they could've given better notice to residents.

[Mousse]

I think the bigger question is why is the Defense Department holding "photo ops" for Air Force One, and how much did this "exercise" cost?

Techincally, it's not Air Force One unless the President is on board.

As for how much it costs... I remember seeing a Nova special about Air Force One. They said it costs an upwards of one million clams each time it takes off.:eek::eek::eek: That was a few years back. Factor inflation and you'll see why the Government is broke.:rolleyes:

[r.j.s]

I remember seeing a Nova special about Air Force One. They said it costs an upwards of one million clams each time it takes off.:eek::eek::eek:

You have to remember that number factors in everything ... from the White House Communications Agency guys moving to where the Pres is going to Secret Service, food, fuel, security, transport of the motorcade, duplicate 747, fighters and fuel, etc ...

It doesn't factor in just the cost of that one 747.

[MacHipster]

Because it's a large commercial aircraft with a military escort flying somewhat low in restricted air space. 9/11 memories?

I think the bigger question is why is the Defense Department holding "photo ops" for Air Force One, and how much did this "exercise" cost?

Stop trying to mislead us by calling it Air Force One. McCain lost, get over it.:rolleyes:

[duncanapple]

Stop trying to mislead us by calling it Air Force One. McCain lost, get over it.:rolleyes:

What does this have to do with McCain???

[jaw04005]

Stop trying to mislead us by calling it Air Force One. McCain lost, get over it.:rolleyes:

Who mentioned McCain? :rolleyes:

It's an Air Force One aircraft painted with the seal of the President. What else are you supposed to call it? I guess you can be technical and call it a "White House 747 aircraft that's used as Air Force One" like CNN. However, that's not going to fit in the title.

Anyway, the White House Military Office apologized a few hours ago. Mayor Bloomberg is not happy though.

Apparently, it got down to 150 feet above the skyline and was circling around. I could see where it would be scary.

I still don't understand why the Defense Department wanted a photo op of Air Force One with Manhatten's skyline.

Are they making a scrapbook? :D

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/27/low.flying.plane/index.html

[Queso]

Sounds a bit like the sort of thing our crappy royal family get up to, visiting friends in Air Force helicopters and the like.

Where were Obama's daughters when this was happening? I think we should be told ;)

[allmIne]

Apparently, it got down to 150 feet above the skyline and was circling around. I could see where it would be scary.



I know you're repeating what somebody else has said, rather than stating it yourself as such, but still - 150 feet above the skyline?

It would make one helluva photo if true.

[iJohnHenry]

Practising for a Fail-Safe (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058083/) scenario?

[jaw04005]

I know you're repeating what somebody else has said, rather than stating it yourself as such, but still - 150 feet above the skyline?

It would make one helluva photo if true.

Well, that's what ABC news said. Looks pretty close.

[Little HZ]

Apparently, it got down to 150 feet above the skyline and was circling around. I could see where it would be scary. http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/04/27/low.flying.plane/index.html

When I was living in Wichita KS about 20 years ago one of the bombers from McConnell AFB did a flyover of the downtown area on the 4th of July. It SEEMED like it was only 50 feet above us, though no doubt is was higher. This was YEARS before 9-11, and we knew the flyover was scheduled, yet it was scary! :eek:

I can understand why NYers were concerned ...

[ski2moro]

Give me a new version of Photoshop and I will put the plane into the NYC skyline for a whole lot less than the cost of jet fuel.

[NT1440]

Maybe im just a bit more rational than some, but if I had seen the fighter jet escorts, id know i was safe.

[quagmire]

If it was that low and doing banks, how could they not see it is Air Force One? They saw 747 and a F-16 and panicked and took no notice of the very evident paint job. I don't blame them, but not one noticed it was Air Force One?

[dmr727]

I don't blame them, but not one noticed it was Air Force One?

Everyone knows that even Air Force One can be hijacked! Haven't you ever seen Executive Decision? Sheesh! :) :)

[dukebound85]

Everyone knows that even Air Force One can be hijacked! Haven't you ever seen Executive Decision? Sheesh! :) :)

or wait for it.....air force one lol

If it was that low and doing banks, how could they not see it is Air Force One? They saw 747 and a F-16 and panicked and took no notice of the very evident paint job. I don't blame them, but not one noticed it was Air Force One?

ok how many people know what af1 looks like?

how many people react to the painting on the plane over the gut insticnt of "dang that is way low"

[Abstract]

They couldn't Photoshop it to a lower altitude when it was flying in a blue, cloud-free sky?

[allmIne]

Well, that's what ABC news said. Looks pretty close.

To put it in perspective, though; the tail height alone is 63ft from bottom to top, not including its height above ground level to begin with.

Or another way of judging it is by its wingspan; 211ft. I realise that photo is taken at the bottom of a skyscraper, but still!

It's probably higher - wouldn't be like some over zealous citizens to exaggerate!

ok how many people know what af1 looks like?

how many people react to the painting on the plane over the gut insticnt of "dang that is way low"

I would hope most, Dukebound. For both questions!

[dsnort]

Why were people frightened? :confused:

Maybe they thought Obama was coming to raise their taxes? :eek::D

[MacBoobsPro]

BBC Video

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8021904.stm

[steveza]

BBC Video

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8021904.stmThat's a bit higher than 150 feet :rolleyes:

[quagmire]

That's a bit higher than 150 feet :rolleyes:

It is higher then 150 ft off the ground, but it looks about right for 150 ft above the skyline.

[Keebler]

i can't blame anyone there for freaking out. of course it would cross my mind too.....especially if a fighter jet was escorting it.

wowsers.

[cantthinkofone]

When I was living in Wichita KS about 20 years ago one of the bombers from McConnell AFB did a flyover of the downtown area on the 4th of July. It SEEMED like it was only 50 feet above us, though no doubt is was higher. This was YEARS before 9-11, and we knew the flyover was scheduled, yet it was scary! :eek:

I can understand why NYers were concerned ...

I've been on the little piney river here in missouri and had two A-10s fly over as we went under a bridge owned by Ft. Leonardwood. They had a tank parked half way along the bridge. They came flying down the river about 300-500 feet from the ground and then disappears as fast as they came in. Still ranks high on my crazy things i've seen list.

[Malfoy]

i can't blame anyone there for freaking out. of course it would cross my mind too.....especially if a fighter jet was escorting it.

wowsers.

Because of the bolded part I would have acted differently. A low flying large plane that doesn't appear to be landing is a problem. A plane with 2 F16s following it that hasn't been shot down yet probably has a purpose.

[jbernie]

If it was that low and doing banks, how could they not see it is Air Force One? They saw 747 and a F-16 and panicked and took no notice of the very evident paint job. I don't blame them, but not one noticed it was Air Force One?

Here is the problem, I am pretty sure a very high percentage of Americans know what the VC-25s aka Air Force One look like... when.... they are seen close up and the paint job can be clearly seen. However, at a distance the paint job isn't quite as distinctive, also these planes are older 747-200s so the hump on top is shorter and resembles a freighter at a distance. It is even harder to determine what it is when it is flying more directly at you.

Think like this, we can all tell the difference between a Rolls Royce & a Honda Accord close up, now take one of each, similar in color and set them up a few hundred yards away. It gets a lot harder to tell the difference without guessing.

Because of the bolded part I would have acted differently. A low flying large plane that doesn't appear to be landing is a problem. A plane with 2 F16s following it that hasn't been shot down yet probably has a purpose.

But given 3 airlines were crashed into public buildings 8 years ago in the same city do you think that if you were in NYC when 9/11 happened that you would sit around in your tower yesterday and wait to find out? How many people didn't evacuate the 2nd tower as they were told to wait for further instructions which didn't arrive until after the 2nd tower was hit?

The stupid thing is that they refused to publicise the exercise in the local media, for amongst other reasons not publicizing the where abouts of the VC-25s, no problem, no one said that they had to state in the media releases that it was going to be this specific aircraft, just say that airforce aircraft will be flying around NYC on Monday morning. They didn't want to announce it local to keep it all hush hush yet in doing so they made it an international news story letting the whole world know what is happening.

[NT1440]

Because of the bolded part I would have acted differently. A low flying large plane that doesn't appear to be landing is a problem. A plane with 2 F16s following it that hasn't been shot down yet probably has a purpose.
Exactly my thinking.

Its not like these planes aren't tracked every second in flight, and if it started heading to where it could be a threat you can bet your sweet ass action would be taken immediatly.

The fighters would be calming to me.

[quagmire]

Here is the problem, I am pretty sure a very high percentage of Americans know what the VC-25s aka Air Force One look like... when.... they are seen close up and the paint job can be clearly seen. However, at a distance the paint job isn't quite as distinctive, also these planes are older 747-200s so the hump on top is shorter and resembles a freighter at a distance. It is even harder to determine what it is when it is flying more directly at you.

Think like this, we can all tell the difference between a Rolls Royce & a Honda Accord close up, now take one of each, similar in color and set them up a few hundred yards away. It gets a lot harder to tell the difference without guessing.

When a plane is that low, and it is very evident in the video when it was banking, the paint job was clear. If they saw the belly of the plane, then fine I wouldn't be saying what I did. But, the plane was clearly in a bank over the skylines and at that altitude the white and blue paint scheme of Air Force One should be pretty clear.

[arogge]

It looked like a smoggy day, too, and photographs don't look good when there's too much smog over the city.

Whenever I hear what sounds like a low-flying aircraft that seems to be going slowly over the skyscrapers in a city, I immediately get flashbacks to that morning in September 2001.

It's not terrorism that I'm so worried about anymore, but rather a possible electronic failure which causes the plane to lose altitude and crash into a building. Doing a low pass over a city leaves little option to land in case of an emergency.

If the FAA wanted a photo shoot for the plane, they should have hired me to do it. I could have taken the plane to a nice park where the animals outnumber the people, and taken sweeping views of the plane as it circled the park.

[arogge]

But given 3 airlines were crashed into public buildings 8 years ago in the same city do you think that if you were in NYC when 9/11 happened that you would sit around in your tower yesterday and wait to find out?

The plane was clearly in restricted airspace, and if I see a large plane flying in restricted airspace, it indicates to me that there is an emergency of some sort. If you don't have an emergency, you should not be in restricted airspace.

[quagmire]

The plane was clearly in restricted airspace, and if I see a large plane flying in restricted airspace, it indicates to me that there is an emergency of some sort. If you don't have an emergency, you should not be in restricted airspace.

Restricted!= prohibited airspace.

Restricted airspace you need permission to enter from the local control center that controls the restricted airspace. Obviously, Air Force One had permission. :)

[Aranince]

Obama is a frickin moron. Who in there right mind flies a plane at such a low altitude? IN NEW YORK.

Remember September 11th people?

[NT1440]

Obama is a frickin moron. Who in there right mind flies a plane at such a low altitude? IN NEW YORK.

Remember September 11th people?

:rolleyes:

Cuz obama was flying the plane right?

[jaw04005]

We were wondering how much it cost earlier in the thread.

According to CNN,

"Air Force officials estimate that the mission and the photo shoot for the 747 and an accompanying F-16 fighter jet cost $328,835. But they said 'the hours would have been flown regardless, and the expenses would have been accrued on a different mission.'"

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/28/low.flying.plane/index.html

The article also notes that additional planned photo ops for the National Mall in Washington, D.C. have been canceled.

By the way, some in the media have been referring to the event as "Scare Force One" which is kind of funny.

President Obama is apparently furious.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/04/scare-force-one.html

I always sort of assumed they just took the pictures when the President is flying. I didn't realize that a lot of Air Force One pictures are stock or file photos.

They do an amazing job though. Check this one out from a few years ago.

[rdowns]

Obama is a frickin moron. Who in there right mind flies a plane at such a low altitude? IN NEW YORK.

Remember September 11th people?


This was an incredibly stupid decision on the part of some bureaucrat but to blame Obama is just, well, plane stupid.

[MacBoobsPro]

This was an incredibly stupid decision on the part of some bureaucrat but to blame Obama is just, well, plane stupid.

Hehe. That might go right over some peoples heads. :D

[iBlue]

^ Vroooom! :D

Obama is a frickin moron. Who in there right mind flies a plane at such a low altitude? IN NEW YORK.

Remember September 11th people?

He didn't have anything to do with it and if you watch one of the videos linked he was apparently furious someone approved this nonsense.

[JG271]

Obama is a frickin moron. Who in there right mind flies a plane at such a low altitude?


I didn't know Obama can fly a plane?

But seriously, it is highly unlikely it was his idea. It is a bad idea though, or at least warn people, print things in a newspaper etc.

[allmIne]

Restricted!= prohibited airspace.

Restricted airspace you need permission to enter from the local control center that controls the restricted airspace. Obviously, Air Force One had permission. :)

Great point, well made :)

[kymac]

comeon even the major airlines don't use real photographs of their planes.. everythings doctored these days

[leekohler]

Obama is a frickin moron. Who in there right mind flies a plane at such a low altitude? IN NEW YORK.

Remember September 11th people?

Umm...so Obama had nothing to do with this, but he's stupid? How about the poster who can't bother to read an article before posting?

[quagmire]

Great point, well made :)

Good thing about being a (student) pilot( not for long almost to private) myself. :D

[QuantumLo0p]

What the heck were they think?

Apparently not much. Morons.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Exactly my thinking.

Its not like these planes aren't tracked every second in flight, and if it started heading to where it could be a threat you can bet your sweet ass action would be taken immediatly.

The fighters would be calming to me.

The fighters would make me that much more nervous, I'd be thinking "Oh ****, they're going to shoot that one down, what's going on?"

I'd be nervous seeing a jumbo jet flying low over any city, much more nervous if it was being followed by fighter jets.

SLC

[r.j.s]

The fighters would make me that much more nervous, I'd be thinking "Oh ****, they're going to shoot that one down, what's going on?"

I'd be nervous seeing a jumbo jet flying low over any city, much more nervous if it was being followed by fighter jets.

SLC

Do you really think they'd shoot it down over the city?

[dmr727]

Do you really think they'd shoot it down over the city?

Pick your poison, I guess. Shoot it down, or wait until it flies into something.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Do you really think they'd shoot it down over the city?

Nope I don't, but I'd be worried that if it was a hijacked plane that it'd crash it's self before they got a chance to shoot it down over the ocean or whatever they decided to try.

There's not that many places to go in NYC without having collateral damage if an airliner is to be shot down.

And I'd be really upset for all the folks inside too, isn't that justification enough on it's own?

How anyone could be calmed seeing an airliner buzzing rooftops and being followed/escorted by fighter jets is beyond me!

I think we can rest assured that whoever is ultimately behind this is going to lose their job? Though the first rule of being a leader (I'm looking at you Obama) is that everything that happens among entities that you are responsible for, is ultimately your fault.

SLC

[r.j.s]

Pick your poison, I guess. Shoot it down, or wait until it flies into something.

Yeah, both options suck. However, I think the shoot it down over the city and let the burning wreckage land where inertia takes it plan is worse.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Yeah, both options suck. However, I think the shoot it down over the city and let the burning wreckage land where inertia takes it plan is worse.

Which is exactly why this sort of thing is such a moronic move. I mean what the hell would the administration do if there was some sort of accident and the plane malfunctioned and crashed into the empire state building or something?

Not the brightest bulbs in the lot are they? What do you expect from the government though, right?

SLC

[r.j.s]

Which is exactly why this sort of thing is such a moronic move. I mean what the hell would the administration do if there was some sort of accident and the plane malfunctioned and crashed into the empire state building or something?

Not the brightest bulbs in the lot are they? What do you expect from the government though, right?

SLC

It was a bad decision all around, no doubt - and the whole thing should have never happened.

---

I want to address the idea to photoshop the plane into the background.

Take a look here ... http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2008/11/general.html

DoD policy on altered photos is that you can only crop, sharpen and adjust the brightness/contrast to recreate the actual scene as the photographer saw it. Putting AF1 into the shot of lady liberty would have have been a lie, as the event never actually happened. It may even be considered propaganda by some.

[SLC Flyfishing]

It was a bad decision all around, no doubt - and the whole thing should have never happened.

---

I want to address the idea to photoshop the plane into the background.

Take a look here ... http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2008/11/general.html

DoD policy on altered photos is that you can only crop, sharpen and adjust the brightness/contrast to recreate the actual scene as the photographer saw it. Putting AF1 into the shot of lady liberty would have have been a lie, as the event never actually happened. It may even be considered propaganda by some.

So if it's a no-no to photoshop AF-1 into scenes, then I guess the DOD doesn't get to have that sweet ass shot of AF-1 clipping the TV antennas of the NYC skyline right?

SLC

[r.j.s]

So if it's a no-no to photoshop AF-1 into scenes, then I guess the DOD doesn't get to have that sweet ass shot of AF-1 clipping the TV antennas of the NYC skyline right?

SLC

Not sure what you're talking about.

[SLC Flyfishing]

Not sure what you're talking about.

Well apparently they're not supposed to to use photoshop to make it look like AF-1 is flying where it never has. And buzzing the tops of a city is a terrible idea for about a million different reasons, not to mention a city that's as densely populated as NYC.

So it looks like having the photo of AF-1 flying just over the rooftops in NYC should be out of the question. Stick to seeing it fly over Mt. Rushmore and other non-populated areas, or stick to reasonable altitudes over populated areas.

SLC

[r.j.s]

So it looks like having the photo of AF-1 flying just over the rooftops in NYC should be out of the question. Stick to seeing it fly over Mt. Rushmore and other non-populated areas, or stick to reasonable altitudes over populated areas.

SLC

Ok. Yes, I agree. I thought you were talking about an existing photo of it in the NYC skyline.

EDIT: The other thing I don't get is the uproar from the mayor. His office was notified (http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/the-forgotten-e-mail-that-rocked-new-york/), but someone there decided not to tell him.

[duykur]

I love how almost all youtube comments are something like "OMG 0bama be n00b, he tyrant and kill newyorkers!, he want to feel like 9/11 people. OMG he be incompetent because he not know!!!!"

[r.j.s]

I love how almost all youtube comments are something like "OMG 0bama be n00b, he tyrant and kill newyorkers!, he want to feel like 9/11 people. OMG he be incompetent because he not know!!!!"

All YouTube comments are like that.

[jaw04005]

According to CNN, the photos from the fly-over have been deemed classified and will not be released to the public.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2009/05/06/am.ac.plane.photos.cnn

[jbernie]

According to CNN, the photos from the fly-over have been deemed classified and will not be released to the public.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2009/05/06/am.ac.plane.photos.cnn

After all that fuss & $300k they forgot to load the film? The pics came out blury? Lens cap on? Finger over the lens? Some joker was mooning the camera through the window of the plane?

:D

[Abstract]

All YouTube comments are like that.

Yeah, they even react to Rick-rolls like that.

[Sun Baked]

After all that fuss & $300k they forgot to load the film? The pics came out blury? Lens cap on? Finger over the lens? Some joker was mooning the camera through the window of the plane?

:D

That's what happens when you hire an actor like John Travolta to fly the plane for some cheesy publicity shots with the plane.

[jaw04005]

Well, the White House has changed their mind. They're going to release the photos with the results of the two-week investigation according to Fox News.

I'm starting think Robert Gibbs knows less and less about what's going on in each briefing.

[Full of Win]

Obama is a real class act. Obama spends 300,000$ on images during a time of record debts, Obama then gets giggles by scaring a city where thousands were killed when planes following a similar path killed thousands a few years earlier, then Obama refuses to release the pictures.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change this tyrant/Neo-Nero has brought upon us.

This man is a sicko. His mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.

[Ugg]

Obama is a real class act. Obama spends 300,000$ on images during a time of record debts, Obama then gets giggles by scaring a city where thousands were killed when planes following a similar path killed thousands a few years earlier, then Obama refuses to release the pictures.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change this tyrant/Neo-Nero has brought upon us.

This man is a sicko. His mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

[iJohnHenry]

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

Hell has no wrath like a woman Republican scorned. :p

[Sun Baked]

Hell has no wrath like a woman Republican scorned. :p

Well, with the amount of crying going on over there, isn't it hard to tell the difference between a Republican and a woman right now.

A little hormonal in their clubhouse right now, even sending Cheney out to shoot a donor in the face isn't going to put a smile on anyone's face.

[Macaddicttt]

Obama is a real class act. Obama spends 300,000$ on images during a time of record debts, Obama then gets giggles by scaring a city where thousands were killed when planes following a similar path killed thousands a few years earlier, then Obama refuses to release the pictures.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change this tyrant/Neo-Nero has brought upon us.

This man is a sicko. His mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.

There are so many things wrong with this post I don't know where to start.

[yg17]

Obama is a real class act. Obama spends 300,000$ on images during a time of record debts, Obama then gets giggles by scaring a city where thousands were killed when planes following a similar path killed thousands a few years earlier, then Obama refuses to release the pictures.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change this tyrant/Neo-Nero has brought upon us.

This man is a sicko. His mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.


Bush is a real class act. Bush spends 3,000,000,000,000$ on a war during a time of record debts, Bush then gets giggles by invading a country even though they had nothing to do with the attacks on the US and had no weapons of mass destruction, then Bush refuses to pull troops out.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change this tyrant/Neo-conservative has brought upon us.

This man is a sicko. His mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.

[iJohnHenry]

A little hormonal in their clubhouse right now, even sending Cheney out to shoot a donor in the face isn't going to put a smile on anyone's face.

I decline to comment on that observation in the interests of self-preservation, but I would just point out a much smaller fish *coughNormColemancough* wasting far more than $300K of taxpayer's dollars on foolishness.

[apsterling]

Bush is a real class act. Bush spends 3,000,000,000,000$ on a war during a time of record debts, Bush then gets giggles by invading a country even though they had nothing to do with the attacks on the US and had no weapons of mass destruction, then Bush refuses to pull troops out.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change this tyrant/Neo-conservative has brought upon us.

This man is a sicko. His mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.

Politicians are a real class act. They spend our tax money on useless choices during a time of record debts, then get giggles by taking away our liberties through votes, even though that's not how our system is supposed to work, then they refuse to admit that as their policies.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change these tyrants/Neo-nationalists have brought upon us.

These people are sickos. Their mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.

I can do this too!

[Gelfin]

Why are we caring how mental illness tastes?

[iJohnHenry]

Why are we caring how mental illness tastes?

YEAH!!! Political tastes put me off my ale. :mad:

[Macaddicttt]

Bush is a real class act. Bush spends 3,000,000,000,000$ on a war during a time of record debts, Bush then gets giggles by invading a country even though they had nothing to do with the attacks on the US and had no weapons of mass destruction, then Bush refuses to pull troops out.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change this tyrant/Neo-conservative has brought upon us.

This man is a sicko. His mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.

No, you're doing it wrong. You have to make stuff up and use gross distortions, not use facts. Full of Win provided some good examples:

- Claim that Obama "spent" $300,000 on this mission, ignoring the fact that had this mission not flown, a different $300,000 mission would have been flown because that's how the Air Force works. You're always running missions and staying fresh.
- Claim that Obama got "giggles" from a mission that he has expressed nothing but anger about. (You got this one half right.)
- Imply that Obama was the decision maker for this mission when in fact it wasn't. (You got this one all wrong. Bush couldn't stop talking about how he was the decider. I don't think any president reviews every/any Air Force mission personally.)

:p

[AP_piano295]

BBC Video

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8021904.stm

Did anyone notice the bbc volume goes to eleven :)

[mactastic]

Obama is a real class act. Obama spends 300,000$ on images during a time of record debts, Obama then gets giggles by scaring a city where thousands were killed when planes following a similar path killed thousands a few years earlier, then Obama refuses to release the pictures.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change this tyrant/Neo-Nero has brought upon us.

This man is a sicko. His mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.
Good sir, you are obviously confusing tyranny with LOSING AN ELECTION. :D:p:rolleyes:

[yg17]

No, you're doing it wrong. You have to make stuff up and use gross distortions, not use facts. Full of Win provided some good examples:

- Claim that Obama "spent" $300,000 on this mission, ignoring the fact that had this mission not flown, a different $300,000 mission would have been flown because that's how the Air Force works. You're always running missions and staying fresh.
- Claim that Obama got "giggles" from a mission that he has expressed nothing but anger about. (You got this one half right.)
- Imply that Obama was the decision maker for this mission when in fact it wasn't. (You got this one all wrong. Bush couldn't stop talking about how he was the decider. I don't think any president reviews every/any Air Force mission personally.)

:p


Oh, oops.

I guess I also needed to add that Bush was a secret Kenyan born Muslim and photoshopped his birth certificate :D

[iBlue]

Obama is a real class act. Obama spends 300,000$ on images during a time of record debts, Obama then gets giggles by scaring a city where thousands were killed when planes following a similar path killed thousands a few years earlier, then Obama refuses to release the pictures.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change this tyrant/Neo-Nero has brought upon us.

This man is a sicko. His mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.
http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/smilies/sm-thud.gif

Bush is a real class act. Bush spends 3,000,000,000,000$ on a war during a time of record debts, Bush then gets giggles by invading a country even though they had nothing to do with the attacks on the US and had no weapons of mass destruction, then Bush refuses to pull troops out.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change this tyrant/Neo-conservative has brought upon us.

This man is a sicko. His mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.
http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/gifs/applausev2.gif

Politicians are a real class act. They spend our tax money on useless choices during a time of record debts, then get giggles by taking away our liberties through votes, even though that's not how our system is supposed to work, then they refuse to admit that as their policies.

Wow – I’m so happy with the change these tyrants/Neo-nationalists have brought upon us.

These people are sickos. Their mental illness is palatable, here is the evidence.

I can do this too!
http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/gifs/applausev2.gif http://upc.edesignuk.com/uploads/gifs/applausev2.gif

(it deserved two)