Microsoft to Launch iPhone Rival on Verizon Early Next Year? [Archive]

MacRumors

Apr 28, 2009, 12:48 PM

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In a brief report (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124093915558664239.html) (subscription required), The Wall Street Journal claims that Microsoft and Verizon are in talks to launch an iPhone rival in early 2010. MarketWatch summarizes (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-verizon-seek-rival-iphone/story.aspx?guid=%7B16767B1F-0F3F-48AF-B6AB-0F65FC125668%7D) the report: The Microsoft phone, code-named "Pink," is expected to appear by 2010 and would extend the tech giant's Windows Mobile cellphone operating system, according to the Journal.Similar to Google's Android platform, Microsoft will reportedly work with a third party who will manufacture the device, but Microsoft will play an integral role in design and development.

Verizon has been linked to several rumors regarding the iPhone from mainstream news sources in recent days, first with renewed claims (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/27/apple-and-verizon-in-iphone-negotiations-for-2010/) that the iPhone may be making its way onto the carrier's network sometime next year, and earlier today with rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/27/two-new-devices-from-apple-category-defining-media-pad-and-iphone-lite/) that Apple and Verizon are developing two new products, an "iPhone lite" and a larger "Media Pad", also slated for release as early as 2010.

Article Link: Microsoft to Launch iPhone Rival on Verizon Early Next Year? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/28/microsoft-to-launch-iphone-rival-on-verizon-early-next-year/)

Pixellated

Apr 28, 2009, 12:50 PM

The more companies innovating, the better Apple has to make the iPhone. Competition is good, people!

twoodcc

Apr 28, 2009, 12:50 PM

enough with the verizon rumors. microsoft better rewrite windows mobile if it wants to compete with the iPhone though

Jwalker9

Apr 28, 2009, 12:50 PM

i call BS on verizon getting the iphone if this is true

Tofaha

Apr 28, 2009, 12:51 PM

copying hasn't worked before... it won't work in the future.

the key is innovation.

Pixellated

Apr 28, 2009, 12:53 PM

copying hasn't worked before....

Well, before saying that, look where Windows has got them. :eek:

realgenius

Apr 28, 2009, 12:53 PM

The Microsoft phone, code-named "Pink,"

Aaaaaand... you lost me. But, I guess better than brown, eh Zune?

JoeDMD

Apr 28, 2009, 12:54 PM

I wonder if it will look anything like the zune?

NewSc2

Apr 28, 2009, 12:54 PM

So it'll be a Windows Mobile phone?

capoeirista

Apr 28, 2009, 12:54 PM

I used windows mobile on a phone once :( (And I mean literally once).

I do agree that competition is a good thing however

iSee

Apr 28, 2009, 12:56 PM

thejadedmonkey

Apr 28, 2009, 12:57 PM

HLdan

Apr 28, 2009, 12:58 PM

It won't work. Microsoft needs to "hang up" the phone idea. :rolleyes:

talkingfuture

Apr 28, 2009, 12:59 PM

I suppose this was only to be expected. I confidently predict they will have another Zune on their hands. It may be a very competent product but it won't get near the iPhone's sales.

alphatectz

Apr 28, 2009, 12:59 PM

Stop the BS, verizon says they've been talking with apple and all but now check this new rumor out... Micro soft and verizon making a deal. (now this is more likely to be seen). Its just funny, hmm what's next verizon and sprint teaming up?

spice weasel

Apr 28, 2009, 12:59 PM

but Microsoft will play an integral role in design and development.

This never bodes well... :D

Michael73

Apr 28, 2009, 01:00 PM

polobruce

Apr 28, 2009, 01:00 PM

I'm sure they are going to copy most of the iphone features and not innovate. iphone was the first to market and is years ahead of everyone so going to be hard to bring in something new.

I also think developers are getting a bit tired of Microsoft. They've been very slow on the cloud computing front.

Manzana

Apr 28, 2009, 01:01 PM

Maybe Verizon is spreading this rumor to soften up Apple for the iPhone negotiations.

I don't see this frightening Apple, though. MS has yet to show that they can compete with Apple in the general gadget market.

I say Apple should call their bluff, and raise.

This seems like a replay of exactly what happened with the ipod. First MS tried to go through playsforsure, when that gagged they went zune and tanked. Against the iPhone they claimed their $99 device with mobile windows was good enough, now that it's tanked they're designing their own device. I can't wait to see it.

megatronbomb

Apr 28, 2009, 01:03 PM

Maybe they should innovate and create some new products/markets and stop trying to play catchup.

dvdhsu

Apr 28, 2009, 01:04 PM

LOL, the Microsoft copying windows comment was great.
But yeah, seriously, this is not going to work. Look where the Zune got them.
To do something in this age, it's about innovation. :D

BlizzardBomb

Apr 28, 2009, 01:06 PM

The more companies innovating, the better Apple has to make the iPhone. Competition is good, people!

Stole the words right out of my mouth (or fingers... or brain, whatever).

inkswamp

Apr 28, 2009, 01:06 PM

copying hasn't worked before... it won't work in the future.

the key is innovation.

I'm no fan of Microsoft but let's be fair. Microsoft showed great innovation with the GUI-based operating system by making it run on a wider selection of hardware. That was an innovation that Apple famously refused to pursue and, for that, Microsoft rightly gets credit for introducing the world to the GUI. Was that not an innovative move?

CLuv

Apr 28, 2009, 01:06 PM

Wonder if it will have XP mode?

ErikCLDR

Apr 28, 2009, 01:07 PM

Divindude

Apr 28, 2009, 01:07 PM

i wonder if it will have physical or virtual 'cancel' and 'allow' buttons?

motoracer1486

Apr 28, 2009, 01:07 PM

+1 for competition.

Pugpuppydude

Apr 28, 2009, 01:09 PM

This will fail. Just like the the Zune, and the Google Android. Nothing can stop the iPhone/iPods.

reclusivemonkey

Apr 28, 2009, 01:09 PM

Anyone remember how Jon Stewart outed Jim Cramer for making up rumors to manipulate the market? That's kind of what I feel is going on now. Someone at Verizon is about to sell a lot of stock, and they want their best bang for the buck...

I agree completely with thejadedmonkey. I was thinking that when I read the "iPhone Lite" story this morning, when the Verizon man said he had "talks" with Steve Jobs but didn't say what they were about, but "someone else" said it was about an iPhone. Total rumour, but someone really wants these rumours to be well circulated. I'm too new to Apple to know if they would come out and flatly deny these stories; I'm guessing not?

Lesser Evets

Apr 28, 2009, 01:10 PM

ZUNE PHONE!

I am curious to see what MS comes up with. Ugly, sure. Plasticy, you bet. Crappy interface, yep. Laden with software problems, absolutely. Cheap, no doubt...until you weigh up all the extras you need to make it work half decently.

iberroa

Apr 28, 2009, 01:10 PM

as if Microsoft could really bring anything to the table... :apple:

amac4me

Apr 28, 2009, 01:11 PM

Bring it on Microsoft ... your company doesn't know how to deliver across the stack. Stick to software.

Apple is a company that can deliver and end-to-end solution.

johncarync

Apr 28, 2009, 01:13 PM

I'm not interested in a...Verizune :)

BRLawyer

Apr 28, 2009, 01:14 PM

The more companies innovating, the better Apple has to make the iPhone. Competition is good, people!

No, it's not because MS is no competition to Apple.

Too little, too late for a failed company that only copies and never innovates...

MS IS DEAD. GO APPLE!

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 01:14 PM

These guys can't make up their minds, they said they want their software on all phones, now they want to make their own phones, lol.

ThirteenXIII

Apr 28, 2009, 01:14 PM

Seems like ironic timing to me....

I like that apple has broke open a new market for phones and will have all sorts of interesting new ideas come into the phone market.

but I've never really heard of MSFT developing a phone itself...it muttered about it maybe once or twice but nothing give that it will actually go forth with.
I think the competition of Apple vs Microsoft...just isnt what it was maybe 5-10years ago...so it seems kind of funny someone is just going to throw out MSFT battling against Apple in a phone market...only place I see MSFT dueling with apple anymore is in small devices like mice & keyboards.

Besides MSFT is practically on phones anyway...so generally theyre already on verizon and alot of other markets...what will their phone bring that they dont already offer with their software plus the manufactured phones.
I mean they could possibly alienate the companies that use their mobile software or try to make them develop their hardware more around their newer software...either way I'd never purchase a windows based phone from them or with their software.

ipoppy

Apr 28, 2009, 01:18 PM

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/28/microsoft-to-launch-iphone-rival-on-verizon-early-next-year/)

In a brief report (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124093915558664239.html) (subscription required), The Wall Street Journal claims that Microsoft and Verizon are in talks to launch an iPhone rival in early 2010. MarketWatch summarizes (http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/microsoft-verizon-seek-rival-iphone/story.aspx?guid=%7B16767B1F-0F3F-48AF-B6AB-0F65FC125668%7D) the report: Similar to Google's Android platform, Microsoft will reportedly work with a third party who will manufacture the device, but Microsoft will play an integral role in design and development.

Verizon has been linked to several rumors regarding the iPhone from mainstream news sources in recent days, first with renewed claims (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/27/apple-and-verizon-in-iphone-negotiations-for-2010/) that the iPhone may be making its way onto the carrier's network sometime next year, and earlier today with rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/27/two-new-devices-from-apple-category-defining-media-pad-and-iphone-lite/) that Apple and Verizon are developing two new products, an "iPhone lite" and a larger "Media Pad", also slated for release as early as 2010.

Article Link: Microsoft to Launch iPhone Rival on Verizon Early Next Year? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/28/microsoft-to-launch-iphone-rival-on-verizon-early-next-year/)

What can I say for this...hmm...my signature will tell all I guess:D

michaelvoigt

Apr 28, 2009, 01:22 PM

HTC, is a 100% Taiwanese owned and located company, and I predict that they will be the third party designing and making the MS phone.

HTC is making phones for pretty much every big player but Apple, they are huge.

Mousse

Apr 28, 2009, 01:22 PM

The fact is nothing that comes out of microsoft is actually good.

A bit harsh and simply not true. MS has a lot of brilliant engineers and programmers. The problem isn't on Microsoft's technical side, it's on the management side. Products being rushed to market before it's ready (it took 2 service packs to fix XP and who knows how many to get Vista working right). The Mac Business Unit's Office X was a great product. Management probably forced them to bloat it up and water it down in later versions. MS makes fantastic development software, but then only developers benefits from that and not the consumers.

IMO, what MS needs to churn out great products is to get rid of management and let the programmer run the show or at least have final word.:cool::cool::cool: Yes, let the loonies run the madhouse.;)

HLdan

Apr 28, 2009, 01:24 PM

I'm no fan of Microsoft but let's be fair. Microsoft showed great innovation with the GUI-based operating system by making it run on a wider selection of hardware. That was an innovation that Apple famously refused to pursue and, for that, Microsoft rightly gets credit for introducing the world to the GUI. Was that not an innovative move?

You might want to look up the word "innovation" in the dictionary. Pushing your product in everybody's face is not "innovation". That's called a "monopoly".

Do we really need another PHONE?? Why doesn't MS make something new and original? That might get them somewhere.

AgingGeek

Apr 28, 2009, 01:24 PM

techfreak85

Apr 28, 2009, 01:25 PM

So pink eh? isnt that the color they replaced the brown zune with? :D
pink=Zunephone

thunderweb

Apr 28, 2009, 01:25 PM

Wonder if it will have XP mode?

lol... that would be fun *sarcasm*

puckhead193

Apr 28, 2009, 01:26 PM

this has epic failure written all over it.... Windows mobile is so bad, i had it on a PDA, terrible, i used it for maybe a week before i gave up on it.

techfreak85

Apr 28, 2009, 01:26 PM

lol... that would be fun *sarcasm*

haha yes. and it probably will.
They should redesign to BSOD to make it only raise blood pressure by 50% instead of 75%:D

thunderweb

Apr 28, 2009, 01:27 PM

haha yes. and it probably will.
They should redesign to BSOD to make it only raise blood pressure by 50% instead of 75%:D

ha thats not possible lol

Blue Fox

Apr 28, 2009, 01:28 PM

lol... that would be fun *sarcasm*

hahahaha. That's exactly what I was thinking about posting. BSOD on a phone........no thank you.

Consultant

Apr 28, 2009, 01:31 PM

Remember Zzzzune? Here comes a repeat.

"The Secret Failures of Microsoft"
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Q4.06/2E6D9BB2-FE1B-4556-8389-67BD581FBCCC.html

Doju

Apr 28, 2009, 01:31 PM

XD

As much as I'd LOVE (really) competition, Microsoft fails to deliver almost always. Windows Mobile on a gold brick would suck overall. Like Apple said - it's the SOFTWARE! iPhone owns there, and Win Mo will NEVER come close to matching it.

Bring on another gross looking phone with Win Mo! :rolleyes:

Packersfan27

Apr 28, 2009, 01:32 PM

No, it's not because MS is no competition to Apple.

Too little, too late for a failed company that only copies and never innovates...

MS IS DEAD. GO APPLE!

I support Apple and all, but Microsoft is 10 times the size of Apple (probably more), you won't see Microsoft going anywhere for a long time.

Im interested to see a zune phone, don't think it will turn many people away from an iPhone, though.

StuddedLeather

Apr 28, 2009, 01:33 PM

Horrible, Yes the competition will make the iPhone stronger and better but Microsoft fails at everything.

Gosh does originality ever get around the Microsoft office. . . guess not :apple:

techfreak85

Apr 28, 2009, 01:33 PM

ha thats not possible lol

No way. It was poking fun at MS.:rolleyes:

ineedamac

Apr 28, 2009, 01:34 PM

Surely if Verizon has a Microsoft phone then Apple will come to it's senses and not allow Verizon to sell the iPhone.

Please Apple do not sell out the iPhone to Verizon!

newyorksole

Apr 28, 2009, 01:36 PM

sorry, but Microsoft needs to CALL IT quits :p

sorry ii had to

axual

Apr 28, 2009, 01:37 PM

weing

Apr 28, 2009, 01:37 PM

As long is is comes in Brown, I'm there dude!

techfreak85

Apr 28, 2009, 01:37 PM

Surely if Verizon has a Microsoft phone then Apple will come to it's senses and not allow Verizon to sell the iPhone.

Please Apple do not sell out the iPhone to Verizon!

No please do. I need an iPhone but dont wanna go to ATT. Verizon IMO has a better network. Everyone i know has verizon and i have unlimited txting for a really good deal with my family plan.

Warbrain

Apr 28, 2009, 01:39 PM

No please do. I need an iPhone but dont wanna go to ATT. Verizon IMO has a better network. Everyone i know has verizon and i have unlimited txting for a really good deal with my family plan.

That's you. There are quite a few people who don't want to see the iPhone on Verizon, possibly more than those who do. I'm getting sick of all these people begging here for it to go to whatever carrier they use. Just stop complaining - Apple will go with whatever provider they wish.

And this just proves that there is no way the iPhone is going to Verizon any time soon. Hope you like having your hopes smashed.

elgrecomac

Apr 28, 2009, 01:39 PM

copying hasn't worked before... it won't work in the future.

the key is innovation.

When Jobs 'copied' the GuI concept and mouse from Xerox, it seemed to have worked out OK, don't you think? :eek:

Unspoken Demise

Apr 28, 2009, 01:39 PM

Coming from an AT&T Tilt, with 6.0 Windows OS to my iPhone 3g, they have leaps and bounds to make before that OS can compete with the iPhone, let alone take customers from AT&T.

Its funny how all this Verizon news has somewhat shadowed the the upcoming release of Sprint's Pre.

inkswamp

Apr 28, 2009, 01:40 PM

You might want to look up the word "innovation" in the dictionary. Pushing your product in everybody's face is not "innovation". That's called a "monopoly".

Okay, fine. Here's the definition from the dictionary.

innovate v. to make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas or products.

Like it or not, Microsoft innovated with the GUI-based OS in the form of Windows by making it run on a wide array of hardware, i.e., a new method and product as per the dictionary definition. And if pushing your product in everyone's face is a "monopoly," (which it isn't--may want to grab for that dictionary you're so keen on referring others to) you're pretty much going to have to start accusing Apple of having a monopoly in regards to the iPhone and iPod which is silly, needless to say.

Do we really need another PHONE?? Why doesn't MS make something new and original? That might get them somewhere.

You could have said the exact same thing about the iPhone back when Apple introduced it. In fact, many did point out that there were existing products that were better at the time. How exactly does that matter?

DrEwe

Apr 28, 2009, 01:40 PM

elgrecomac

Apr 28, 2009, 01:41 PM

That's you. There are quite a few people who don't want to see the iPhone on Verizon, possibly more than those who do.

Those of us in cities where ATT coverage SUCKS...Like San Diego and large chunks of San Francisco and other sections of the Bay Area would strongly disagree with you. :D

bobbleheadbob

Apr 28, 2009, 01:41 PM

No please do. I need an iPhone but dont wanna go to ATT. Verizon IMO has a better network. Everyone i know has verizon and i have unlimited txting for a really good deal with my family plan.

To each his own, but I've had no complaints with ATT since switching from Verizon in June 2007. It seemed like every other month our Verizon bill was screwed up and it was almost impossible to get them to fix it. No problems like that with ATT. In my experience, ATT's customer service has been great and the network is fine.

skate71290

Apr 28, 2009, 01:42 PM

i hope the apple tablet is released worldwide this summer as a giant iPod Touch based style with full Mac OS X and full touch screen (i.e. like iPod Touch or iPhone), not really bothered about iPhone "lite" it doesnt make sense... this is not Apple, the iPod Nano was a more portable version of the iPod Classic, however it is arguably more feature full than the iPod Classic.... please dont release a iPhone "Lite" but RELEASE AN APPLE TABLET so i will have something to spend money on this summer lol :D xx

kdarling

Apr 28, 2009, 01:42 PM

Why wouldn't Apple sell to Verizon?

Did they refuse ATT, just because ATT still sells tons of Blackberries and WinMo phones (with more features, even) ? Hardly.

It'd be a lonely business for Apple if they wanted to be the only smartphone maker on any carrier. They can't compete with others if they don't show up to the party.

amd4me

Apr 28, 2009, 01:42 PM

The more companies innovating, the better Apple has to make the iPhone. Competition is good, people!
+1 This is why American car companies are sinking. They always copy the current gen of Euro cars and as such are always five years behind.

Neuroguy

Apr 28, 2009, 01:43 PM

A Zune-like FAILURE

Bye Bye Baby

Apr 28, 2009, 01:44 PM

Uuuuuhhhmmmm... who cares?

StuddedLeather

Apr 28, 2009, 01:45 PM

A Zune-like FAILURE

Or a whole OS failure like Vista lmfaooo:D

BRLawyer

Apr 28, 2009, 01:45 PM

I support Apple and all, but Microsoft is 10 times the size of Apple (probably more), you won't see Microsoft going anywhere for a long time.

Im interested to see a zune phone, don't think it will turn many people away from an iPhone, though.

MS has a 177 billion market cap, Apple 115 as of now...10x what? The behemoth times are over for MS. They will be small peanuts sooner than later...so that SJ can even offer a buffoon job to Steve Ballmer later.

jthrasher

Apr 28, 2009, 01:48 PM

Microsoft should just change it's slogan to.... "too little, too late"

windels

Apr 28, 2009, 01:49 PM

lets hope thay do not forget to put 3 control buttons on the side..

Control + alt + delete :p

on a serious note, I don't realy believe the rumour

Warbrain

Apr 28, 2009, 01:50 PM

Those of us in cities where ATT coverage SUCKS...Like San Diego and large chunks of San Francisco and other sections of the Bay Area would strongly disagree with you. :D

And those of us who live in cities where Verizon sucks but at&t is decent, such as Chicago, greatly disagree with you.

You'd think that they would work on that considering we're a major transporation hub, major industrial center, etc...

wavelayer

Apr 28, 2009, 01:50 PM

Apple went to Verizon first, I believe, and Verizon didn't agree to their terms.
Not that this has anything to do with this post.:confused:

NoExpectations

Apr 28, 2009, 01:51 PM

Anyone remember how Jon Stewart outed Jim Cramer for making up rumors to manipulate the market? That's kind of what I feel is going on now. Someone at Verizon is about to sell a lot of stock, and they want their best bang for the buck...

Totally agree! Every company has their own hidden agenda to manipulate each other, their customers, and for their own personal (read stock options) gain. I suppose this is what a free market is all about.

I don't beleive most of these rumors...especially when they do not reference any names....just 'people close to the deal'.

zombitronic

Apr 28, 2009, 01:51 PM

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 01:53 PM

Now, I hope this does go thru. MS and Verizon, keep the crap & copying together. AT&T and Apple will surely come through with their innovation and great service(AT&T is not much of an innovator, but they sure provide that pipeline we need;)).

DIE IN A FIRE VERIZON!!

krye

Apr 28, 2009, 01:55 PM

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 01:58 PM

spice weasel

Apr 28, 2009, 01:59 PM

Please, all aboard the FAIL BOAT!

Who does Microsoft think they're kidding? And not for nothing, but does anyone think Verizon would be dumb enough to pursue that instead of picking up the iPhone? Verizon has been after the iPhone since day 1 and are probably in talks with Apple as we speak.

Why can't they do both? They already carry Blackberry phones. I don't know if the rumors are true or not, but if they are in talks with Apple over the iPhone then that will add another smart-phone to their lineup. Why not an MS phone as well?

Personally, I'm looking forward to an MS phone with a mobile version of Songsmith on it! I kid, I kid.

Warbrain

Apr 28, 2009, 02:02 PM

Remember this - Microsoft does own Danger now. It's been expected that they would do something with the Danger software and development team and this might be it.

The Danger guys aren't bad and know what they're doing - it's just those Sharp Sidekicks suck.

cybaster

Apr 28, 2009, 02:06 PM

seriously M$, fix vista, fix 7, and stop saturating the market with your half-assed crap.

100 half-assed products is not better than 1 good product.

wavelayer

Apr 28, 2009, 02:10 PM

BOy the VZW rumormill is hopping today

NoExpectations

Apr 28, 2009, 02:13 PM

Microsoft/Verizon vs Apple/ATT vs Palm/Sprint

Let the fight begin. The winner is already known.......us :)

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 02:15 PM

Microsoft/Verizon vs Apple/ATT vs Palm/Sprint

Let the fight begin. The winner is already known.......us :)

You forgot Google/T-Mobile

Pooshka

Apr 28, 2009, 02:16 PM

I sincerely hope the whole verizon iphone thingy remains a sweet dream. :)

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 02:17 PM

I sincerely hope the whole verizon iphone thingy remains a sweet dream. :)

:mad: Rot in Hell Verizon!

hashholly

Apr 28, 2009, 02:17 PM

Hopefully this kills the Apple + Vernon rumors seeing as i doubt Apple would want to "share the spotlight" with Microsucks on Verizon.

Pooshka

Apr 28, 2009, 02:18 PM

NO!:mad: Rot in Hell Verizon!
Read my comment one more time. :rolleyes:

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 02:19 PM

Read my comment one more time. :rolleyes:

Oops... fix'd

APPLENEWBIE

Apr 28, 2009, 02:21 PM

Good lord... does MS have anyone with any of their own ideas?

Anuba

Apr 28, 2009, 02:22 PM

This will fail. Just like the the Zune, and the Google Android. Nothing can stop the iPhone/iPods.
The iPod/Zune comparison doesn't really apply here because it has nothing to do with business users (the bulk of Microsoft's customer base, a.k.a. their biggest cash cow). Apple tried to kiss up to businesses by using MS Exchange compatibility as one of the main sales points for the iPhone, but the reception has been lukewarm (much unlike the reception among consumers). A phone straight from MS, on the other hand, could sell like hotcakes to business users. If it's like an iPhone but with total integration with Windows in general and Office/Exchange in particular, businesses will buy them by the pallet.

ayeying

Apr 28, 2009, 02:22 PM

Pink? cant come up with a better codename?

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 02:24 PM

Pink? cant come up with a better codename?

"iPhone Killer" does that do it?:p

mobilehaathi

Apr 28, 2009, 02:25 PM

Everytime I'm at the store and I see Windows phones I think, "Windows? On a phone? Holy crap, NO Thanks!"

thunderweb

Apr 28, 2009, 02:27 PM

I would buy an iPhone in a second and would be more than happy to be on AT&T the problem is if you don't even have AT&T in your area then it's not gonna happen. I live in Bend OR. I seriously don't think it's that obscure of a city...

Verizon on the other hand does absolutely suck. For the short period of time in which I did have them they were the worst carrier I'd ever experienced. Nothing bothers me more than when a sales rep will treat you like an absolute idiot. I was told that in order to get service you have to be within less than a quarter mile of their towers! Their service sucks in every way.

thunderclap

Apr 28, 2009, 02:31 PM

seashellz

Apr 28, 2009, 02:34 PM

one word (or acronym:) MSDOA

as we watch MSZDNet champion it through

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 02:34 PM

It occurred to me today when reading this: when was the last time Microsoft was actually innovative? Windows has copied OS X for years, the Zune copied iPod, IE has been copying Firefox, now and iPhone rival. I also they might be opening their own social network site. Is Microsoft just completely clueless at this point?

They already opened they social networking site. Its call Windows Live Spaces... its not advertised much, but if you sign in to your Hotmail account you can see status on people in your MSN network. You can create your profile and upload pics and pic galleries.

Roessnakhan

Apr 28, 2009, 02:35 PM

thunderclap

Apr 28, 2009, 02:36 PM

Zune copied iPod? Its an MP3 player... Apple didn't invent the MP3 player.

Point taken. What I meant was the overall design copied the iPod.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 02:39 PM

I support Apple and all, but Microsoft is 10 times the size of Apple (probably more), you won't see Microsoft going anywhere for a long time.

Im interested to see a zune phone, don't think it will turn many people away from an iPhone, though.

Actually they are not ten times the size of anyone, get your facts straight.

rhpenguin

Apr 28, 2009, 02:41 PM

enough with the verizon rumors. microsoft better rewrite windows mobile if it wants to compete with the iPhone though

You've clearly not used Windows Mobile 6.5.. Have you?

It flows much nicer. The Titanium Home screen is fantastic for navigating to your most used tasks and the new start menu is quite fantastic. It's mostly finger driven too.

I'm kind of excited about this.

overanalyzer

Apr 28, 2009, 02:41 PM

The fact is nothing that comes out of microsoft is actually good. Its just the fact that everyone's software is developed for windows and thats what keeps them going. It's sad.

I have a windows Q9c and it runs windows mobile. I must say though, it's the best cell phone I've ever had. The software isn't spectacular but I find it very reliable and really easy to used (blackberries for some reason are not intuitive to me).

It occurred to me today when reading this: when was the last time Microsoft was actually innovative? Windows has copied OS X for years, the Zune copied iPod, IE has been copying Firefox, now and iPhone rival. I also they might be opening their own social network site. Is Microsoft just completely clueless at this point?

(emphasis mine)

I actually disagree with this. Microsoft has shown tremendous innovation lately in some departments, particularly with the evolution of C# and ASP.NET, IIS and SQL Server. But those are all reflections of its core strength as a software developer. I'm much less enthralled by their history as a hardware developer.

dreadkid08

Apr 28, 2009, 02:42 PM

Surely if Verizon has a Microsoft phone then Apple will come to it's senses and not allow Verizon to sell the iPhone.

Please Apple do not sell out the iPhone to Verizon!

I think you may be wrong about that. Apple is not some little kid, well if you're going to carry his thing you can't use ours. Apple and Microsoft are companies, they are a business. All they care about is making money. Verizon has a lot of customers and Apple knows this, if they release iPhone into Verizon it will open up their customer base. Simply not releasing iPhone because Microsoft is releasing a phone with Verzion is admitting defeat on Apple's part

jzuena

Apr 28, 2009, 02:42 PM

So they have the Zune ... guess we can look for to the Phune.

Microsoft is not competition to the iPhone just like they were no competition to the iPod.

MS is a follower, not a leader. They should really focus on getting that operating system stuff working well. Perhaps the mobile version Phista will be running on it.

Maybe they'll add a radio, too, and call it a prune.

Please, all aboard the FAIL BOAT!

Who does Microsoft think they're kidding? And not for nothing, but does anyone think Verizon would be dumb enough to pursue that instead of picking up the iPhone? Verizon has been after the iPhone since day 1 and are probably in talks with Apple as we speak.

Calling Apple to apologize for telling Apple to go pound sand when the original iPhone was presented to them and being told to go pound their own sand isn't the same thing as being in talks. :D

iSlave

Apr 28, 2009, 02:43 PM

Breaking news on the VistaPhone: It will suck, have less support and sell less units than the iPhone.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 02:45 PM

Okay, fine. Here's the definition from the dictionary.

innovate v. to make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas or products.

Like it or not, Microsoft innovated with the GUI-based OS in the form of Windows by making it run on a wide array of hardware, i.e., a new method and product as per the dictionary definition. And if pushing your product in everyone's face is a "monopoly," (which it isn't--may want to grab for that dictionary you're so keen on referring others to) you're pretty much going to have to start accusing Apple of having a monopoly in regards to the iPhone and iPod which is silly, needless to say.

You could have said the exact same thing about the iPhone back when Apple introduced it. In fact, many did point out that there were existing products that were better at the time. How exactly does that matter?

Of course they have a monopoly, there's only like one real alternative to Microsoft which is Apple, everything else is irrelevant. Apple does not have a monoply with iphone and concerning the ipod there are many other alternative players people can choose from compared to like mostly 1 at the most 2 in the OS space.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 02:48 PM

A Zune-like FAILURE

:D

dreadkid08

Apr 28, 2009, 02:51 PM

And I hope Verizon never gets the iPhone.

So in other words you hope Apple doesn't expand its product line? You want Apple's phone to fail essentially by saying this. I want iPhone on all carriers eventually. If you have ATT I really don't see what your problem is if they introduce iPhone on other carriers. You got ATT you like it good for you, not everybody likes the same ice cream thats why they have different flavors. Each customer that walks into dairy queen probably will all order a different flavor of ice cream however they all might order it in a cone as opposed to a cup.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 02:51 PM

Oops... fix'd

Damn you must really hate Verizon.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 02:52 PM

The iPod/Zune comparison doesn't really apply here because it has nothing to do with business users (the bulk of Microsoft's customer base, a.k.a. their biggest cash cow). Apple tried to kiss up to businesses by using MS Exchange compatibility as one of the main sales points for the iPhone, but the reception has been lukewarm (much unlike the reception among consumers). A phone straight from MS, on the other hand, could sell like hotcakes to business users. If it's like an iPhone but with total integration with Windows in general and Office/Exchange in particular, businesses will buy them by the pallet.

Sell to business users, don't they have their wonderful Windows Mobile devices, I thought they were all about getting their software on phones, lol.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 02:54 PM

overcast

Apr 28, 2009, 02:55 PM

It occurred to me today when reading this: when was the last time Microsoft was actually innovative? Windows has copied OS X for years, the Zune copied iPod, IE has been copying Firefox, now and iPhone rival. I also they might be opening their own social network site. Is Microsoft just completely clueless at this point?
Stop looking at consumer level products. Microsoft has Active Directory Domains, DFS, Exchange Server, Windows Server services, SharePoint, Office/Visio, .NET. There is a reason they own/monopolize the corporate environment and subsequently the consumer market. This doesn't just happen, PEOPLE BUY IT.

ipoppy

Apr 28, 2009, 02:56 PM

Why can't they focus on the things they're good at? Microsoft Live Labs is innovative. Photosynth is awesome, yet they treat this stuff as a hobby. I wish they would get out of their "our answer to" phase, slim down their company, flush Balmer, pluck an exec out of Live Labs and start contributing to the changing landscape of tech, rather than drafting behind the leaders who are actually paving the way. This would be good for everyone.

Agree. That would be good description of Microsoft these days. Microsoft products are soooo boring to the point of failure. Whatever they produce people seems to have verdict ready...of course negative.

kdarling

Apr 28, 2009, 02:57 PM

Who does Microsoft think they're kidding? And not for nothing, but does anyone think Verizon would be dumb enough to pursue that instead of picking up the iPhone?

Sure.

ATT has the iPhone, yet guess what... they continue to buy and advertise the latest RIM and WinMo phones as well. They're not tied to one phone.

So why would it be surprising if Verizon wanted the same kind of selection?

dreadkid08

Apr 28, 2009, 02:57 PM

Please, all aboard the FAIL BOAT!

Who does Microsoft think they're kidding? And not for nothing, but does anyone think Verizon would be dumb enough to pursue that instead of picking up the iPhone? Verizon has been after the iPhone since day 1 and are probably in talks with Apple as we speak.

Nobody ever said Verizon had to chose one or the other. You seem to think thats the case its not. If that were Verizon would stop selling all the phones it currently does to host the iPhone.

applecultvictim

Apr 28, 2009, 02:58 PM

how can ms always manage to follow, copy and follow.

Codename pink...shhhh

str1f3

Apr 28, 2009, 03:00 PM

Schizoid

Apr 28, 2009, 03:01 PM

Actually they are not ten times the size of anyone, get your facts straight.

Steve Ballmer is ten times the size of Steve Jobs...

Compile 'em all

Apr 28, 2009, 03:02 PM

copying hasn't worked before... it won't work in the future.

the key is innovation.

+1

I also like your username :D

str1f3

Apr 28, 2009, 03:07 PM

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 03:09 PM

Damn you must really hate Verizon.

So much I wish they die slowly and painfully in a fire.

So in other words you hope Apple doesn't expand its product line? You want Apple's phone to fail essentially by saying this. I want iPhone on all carriers eventually. If you have ATT I really don't see what your problem is if they introduce iPhone on other carriers. You got ATT you like it good for you, not everybody likes the same ice cream thats why they have different flavors. Each customer that walks into dairy queen probably will all order a different flavor of ice cream however they all might order it in a cone as opposed to a cup.

I don't want the RAZR story with the iPhone. I want a quality phone not a phone that is available in quantities. Verizon does not offer quality, they only bone you and rape your wallet.

BlizzardBomb

Apr 28, 2009, 03:10 PM

Wonder if it will have XP mode?
lol... that would be fun *sarcasm*

What's with all the XP bashing? I don't exactly like MS but I use XP on an almost daily basis and I find it to be very stable, yet extremely flexible. People who think XP needs to be "reformatted, defragged, blah blah" every day must be doing something wrong.

mdntcallr

Apr 28, 2009, 03:10 PM

umm, doesn't microsoft already have a mobile phone program?

heh, i just don't think that says volumes? Blackberry, samsung have created iphone copycats.

That said, i don't love monopolies... and who knows maybe in this case Microsoft will have some good ideas.

Apple has been dragging its heels alot lately on new tech... iphone 3g is essentially the same phone as 2 years ago, only update was 3g, nothing else of importance was updated except the software.

lets hope this new tech pushes apple to start innovating again.

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 03:12 PM

macuserx86

Apr 28, 2009, 03:12 PM

Only hyper-nerds will buy this platform. Everyone else will still buy the iPhone. (see Zune for proof)
End of story.

str1f3

Apr 28, 2009, 03:12 PM

So much I wish they die slowly and painfully in a fire.

I don't want the RAZR story with the iPhone. I want a quality phone not a phone that is available in quantities. Verizon does not offer quality, they only bone you and rape your wallet.

really, and I thought AT&T did that.:confused: Verizon has the best coverage out there period. Apple will force Verizon to do it their way because they will want the subscibers. Just like they did with AT&T.

peterdevries

Apr 28, 2009, 03:19 PM

I want a quality phone not a phone that is available in quantities.

I agree. Nokia quality went down the toilet the moment they decided to make incredible amounts of different phones at the same time. Just check out their page. At any time they have over 100 different models in their range.

I don't think though that quality will suffer if Apple will make another iPhone version.

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 03:21 PM

really, and I thought AT&T did that.:confused: Verizon has the best coverage out there period. Apple will force Verizon to do it their way because they will want the subscibers. Just like they did with AT&T.

Verizon has terrible service, which why they should rot. Verizon will never let go their stupid V-cast crap. It doesn't even like phones on their network without the dumb logo.

dreadkid08

Apr 28, 2009, 03:25 PM

Before I say this I'd like to say yes I do support Apple. I myself have an iPhone and a Mac. Now, some of the mentality of you Apple fanboys/girls is absolutely obscene. "I don't want iPhone on Verizon" what does it even matter to you if it is released on Verizon or T-mobile or Sprint, what does it matter? You got ATT you like it, thats great, glad you're happy. By saying this in essence you are saying you wish the iPhone to fail because you wish to limit its customer base to only those who use ATT. I've heard it lots of times from my friends, "I wish I had an iPhone but I am not going to get one because I don't have ATT." Some people don't like ATT just like most people here don't like Microsoft, it's the same thing. Why would you try to force someone to use a service from a company they don't like just to have a product that they do like? That's like if I forced you to use Microsoft Word on Windows (just to use as an example).

Another thing that you seem to believe is that Apple is some jealous human being with the mentality that "If you choose to sell the other guy's thing you can't sell ours." A word out to the people who think that. NEVER START A BUSINESS! You seem to forget with all this talk about innovation and user friendliness and the apple experience, which I do believe all these things are true about Apple, the real truth of the matter is the only thing Apple is REALLY concerned about is making cash. Just like Microsoft. Thats the only thing Apple is really concerned about it making money and increasing their market share. Apple has just figured out that being innovative making their products easy to use having good customer support and throwing the word innovative around earns them MONEY. I can guarentee you if they weren't turning a profit off their innovations they wouldn't do it. That being said, releasing iPhone on Verizon opens the device up to a whole new customer base in where Apple can make more money. So whether Microsoft releases a phone with Verizon or not is irrelevant. Thats bad business to not release your product on a platform just because your competitor is releasing it on the same platform as you are.

I personally want iPhone released on all carriers. Verizon, T-mobile, Sprint, all of them. Why do I want that? Because I think Apple is a great company and I think iPhone is a great product and I want people to share in the joy and happiness that iPhone has brought to me and at the same time I want them to enjoy their service provider as well. You seem to miss the point about what Apple Products are about. They are about enjoyment, and nothing is more enjoyable than when you have a phone you enjoy on a service provider you like. I am not a smug little Apple fanboy that thinks you have to be in some exclusive club to enjoy an Apple product. That train of thought is truly sickening. And that mentality is pure idiocy. That is all.

randomusername

Apr 28, 2009, 03:26 PM

A Zune phone or Zune-esque phone can not compete with the iPhone. If this rumor is true it'll obviously be a phone (most likely HTC) running WinMo 6.5 and running Zune software. But it can't compete with the iPhone. How is 6.5 different from 6.1? It's more touch friendly and more flashy. The interface has not gotten better at all, it's just gotten prettier. It can't take down the iPhone there.

And Zune software? Yeah, the Zune is a decent rival to the iPod's interface but not the iPhone OS. The iPhone has perfected interface, features, and navigation on a touch screen device for multimedia. This phone can't compete there, either.

Winni

Apr 28, 2009, 03:29 PM

Microsoft will target the business market and Apple will stay in the consumer niche. Guess who will be selling more phones in the end? Tip: It's the company that plays better with the average corporate server room, because that's where the volume is. And that, traditionally, is not Apple's playground.

But to be honest, I don't care and almost everybody else here shouldn't either. I don't own any Microsoft or Apple shares, and most of you probably don't either.

Pnut13

Apr 28, 2009, 03:31 PM

:mad: Rot in Hell Verizon!
you hate verizon, we get it....but what has Verizon failed at exactly???? I can name a few things MS has failed at
Zune
RRoD on 360's
Windows Vista and soon W7
They already opened they social networking site. Its call Windows Live Spaces... its not advertised much, but if you sign in to your Hotmail account you can see status on people in your MSN network. You can create your profile and upload pics and pic galleries.
But it is not being seen as you said plus how many people use hotmail, they dont have a monopoly over that so it wont be able to grow. Too bad if it is as great as you say then it needs to be adv3ertised and not treated as a "project.
(emphasis mine)

I actually disagree with this. Microsoft has shown tremendous innovation lately in some departments, particularly with the evolution of C# and ASP.NET, IIS and SQL Server. But those are all reflections of its core strength as a software developer. I'm much less enthralled by their history as a hardware developer.
But for most consumers that dont go onto a tech board or arent programmers they dont give a "bleep" about this. People only really care about realiablity and that it doesnt break and how many songs can fit on an ipod, etc.....they dont care about the language it was programed in. So it gets lost in the shuffle

As a few have said MS needs to reorganize...fix Windows to be more reliable, make a vg system that doesnt break, get out of making mp3 players and not go into products where they will be dominated (ie phone hardware)

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 03:32 PM

you hate verizon, we get it....but what has Verizon failed at exactly????

But it is not being seen as you said plus how many people use hotmail, they dont have a monopoly over that so it wont be able to grow. Too bad if it is as great as you say then it needs to be adv3ertised and not treated as a "project.

Verizon fails at coverage and CS service.

As for Windows Live Spaces, its a small service thats starting out. I don't think its great nor do I bash it since I haven't used it; however, I have seen it and know of it.

...

Trolled poster was trolled.

We are not talking about choices here. Your argument opens a pandora box of quantity which Apple has stated not to endorse or want. So good luck trying to prove yourself. Quality makes a great product, and sticking to AT&T ensures there will be 1 phone to work on and 1 phone to make better.

have a nice day

Michael CM1

Apr 28, 2009, 03:32 PM

Why? Just why? The Zune is a dud and Windows has a lot of problems. Why not spend this money on making existing products better instead of throwing more money into another area dominated by RIM and Apple? RIM has the business geeks, Apple has the other geeks.

Also, who decided to use the word "rival?" Competitor, maybe. Rival? Hardly.

casik

Apr 28, 2009, 03:37 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

i think i just peed a little.

bearbear

Apr 28, 2009, 03:37 PM

HiRez

Apr 28, 2009, 03:39 PM

I'm all for this move, it should provide months or years of amusement. And even though I don't think they'll ever truly compete with Apple from a design standpoint, competition is good, even if it's lame competition. Hey, MS had a few good ideas in the last couple of decades that Apple adopted...sticky menus, copy/paste files on the clipboard, Rich Text format, predictable window zooming (OK, Apple still hasn't gotten that one right)...

pohl

Apr 28, 2009, 03:42 PM

...at least it will be sure to support squirting. The iPhone is so behind the times...they should have had squirting in 1.0 but they haven't even announced a squirt feature!

dreadkid08

Apr 28, 2009, 03:43 PM

Verizon fails at coverage and CS service.

As for Windows Live Spaces, its a small service thats starting out. I don't think its great nor do I bash it since I haven't used it; however, I have seen it and know of it.

Trolled poster was trolled.

We are not talking about choices here. Your argument opens a pandora box of quantity which Apple has stated not to endorse or want. So good luck trying to prove yourself. Quality makes a great product, and sticking to AT&T ensures there will be 1 phone to work on and 1 phone to make better.

have a nice day

I can see where your point is with that however. the only difference between the iPhones is the network they would support nothing else would be different so your argument doesn't really hold any water. There can still be 1 phone to work on. Just configure the phone to a different network accordingly. I think you'd want to give Apple more credit than that. The underlying message you are giving is that Apple cannot innovate if they release the iPhone on a different networks this is BS. I mean seriously even if the iPhones were completely different get real. There are 6 different types of Macs 4 different types of iPods I think Apple could handle 2 types of iPhones if it came down to it.

dhowden

Apr 28, 2009, 03:44 PM

I agree. Bring on the competition. The iPhone isn't perfect but well ahead of the game, and much as Apple like to push on, it is very easy to slow things down (and refuse to do things like "Copy and Paste") when you're still making lots of cash...

I thank Blackberry for forcing Apple's to implement c + p :-).

NorCalLights

Apr 28, 2009, 03:49 PM

This news made me laugh. I'm *sure* this Microsoft phone will be awesome.

Lone Deranger

Apr 28, 2009, 03:52 PM

And once again.. Apple leads and MicroSoft follows... history repeats itself ad infinitum..... :cool:

GerryButton

Apr 28, 2009, 03:52 PM

I find it funny when people say Microsoft do not copy Apple. Me saying this stems from the Code name... "Pink".. HA HA HA, the code name for the iPhone was "Purple" or "P1" and "P2" for Purple 1 and Purple 2.

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 03:53 PM

I can see where your point is with that however. the only difference between the iPhones is the network they would support nothing else would be different so your argument doesn't really hold any water. There can still be 1 phone to work on. Just configure the phone to a different network accordingly. I think you'd want to give Apple more credit than that. The underlying message you are giving is that Apple cannot innovate if they release the iPhone on a different networks this is BS. I mean seriously even if the iPhones were completely different get real. There are 6 different types of Macs 3 different types of iPods I think Apple could handle 2 types of iPhones if it came down to it.

Making another version (CDMA in this case) is still a second version of the phone. Saying other wise doesn't change that fact, you are just fooling yourself.

Macs in the end are same hardware as any other PC, so it doesn't matter if they have many versions, in the end its OS X. iPods are still the same deal, a music player.

Doesn't help the argument.

dreadkid08

Apr 28, 2009, 03:54 PM

Making another version (CDMA in this case) is still a second version of the phone. Saying other wise doesn't change that fact, you are just fooling yourself.

Macs in the end are same hardware as any other PC, so it doesn't matter if they have many versions, in the end its OS X. iPods are still the same deal, a music player.

Doesn't help the argument.

what about the ipod touch? that isn't just a music player. it's in the ipod family. with different iphone in the end its iPhone OS. using the same logic you did on Mac it doesn't matter if there are many versions

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 03:57 PM

what about the ipod touch? that isn't just a music player. it's in the ipod family. with different iphone in the end its iPhone OS. using the same logic you did on Mac it doesn't matter if there are many versions

It is an iPod, just with added capabilities. I don't see a radio chip that communicates to cell towers, do you?

dreadkid08

Apr 28, 2009, 04:00 PM

It is an iPod, just with added capabilities. I don't see a radio chip that communicates to cell towers, do you?

All you'd have to do with iPhone is just make sure one worked with the network. Other phone manufactures can do that. Don't see why Apple can't. Nothing else about it would have to change other than the signal it could read.

MikeTheC

Apr 28, 2009, 04:00 PM

Someone slap me and tell me this *isn't* about as dumb an idea as Microsoft starting up their own retail stores... I mean, seriously. C'mon.

I dunno, but I'm thinking that prior poster who said someone's just doing this to up fatten stock prices for auction may have a point.

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 04:04 PM

All you'd have to do with iPhone is just make sure one worked with the network. Other phone manufactures can do that. Don't see why Apple can't. Nothing else about it would have to change other than the signal it could read.

No, alot of things change. CDMA and GSM radios work *very* differently. You really have to dedicate the team to make it work right, its not magic. example, unlocking, Apple as it is couldn't get thru the first round with the Dev Team and barely got through the second round and as things are looking right now, they might now even make it round three.

How do you think it'll be when Apple has to split the same team in half to address 2 devices?

APPLENEWBIE

Apr 28, 2009, 04:08 PM

S. Jobs 1/9/07: "An iPod, a phone, an internet mobile communicator. An iPod, a phone, an internet mobile communicator.... these are NOT three separate devices!"

Balmer 2009: "Hey! I got an idea! Lets make a phone! How come nobody else around here besides me ever has any original ideas?"

Skika

Apr 28, 2009, 04:09 PM

Microsoft will play an integral role in design and development.

Basically, it will be ugly.:D

str1f3

Apr 28, 2009, 04:09 PM

The funny thing is that microsoft blames the hardware makers when it's the software that mostly sucks on windows mobile. It shows just how much they're out of it.

They may be able to come up with a good phone but it is highly unlikely. microsoft has not shown any level of progression in 6.5. I'd seriously doubt that they would make a giant leap forward in 7.

dreadkid08

Apr 28, 2009, 04:09 PM

No, alot of things change. CDMA and GSM radios work *very* differently. You really have to dedicate the team to make it work right, its not magic. example, unlocking, Apple as it is couldn't get thru the first round with the Dev Team and barely got through the second round and as things are looking right now, they might now even make it round three.

How do you think it'll be when Apple has to split the same team in half to address 2 devices?

Point taken Jav. It could be a bad idea to split iPhones dev team. However this discussion is not over as Verizon has expressed interest in switching over to GSM as well.

pellets007

Apr 28, 2009, 04:10 PM

Didn't they also challenge the iPod with something called a Zune? We know how that worked out.

anubis

Apr 28, 2009, 04:12 PM

Microsoft will play an integral role in design and development.

Dead on Arrival. It will undoubtedly be another Zune-type disaster. A few Apple haters will buy it (and be disappointed), and it will bouy Microsoft's stock price for a while.

Have you ever noticed how the media always makes a big deal whenever Microsoft is about to release an "iBlank killer", but there are very few follow up reports on its dismal sales

APPLENEWBIE

Apr 28, 2009, 04:14 PM

Verizon has terrible service, which why they should rot. Verizon will never let go their stupid V-cast crap. It doesn't even like phones on their network without the dumb logo.

In the western US, Verizon is the place to be. Great coverage. Excellent customer service (in my experience). Crappy phones. I recently tried to use a new Blackberry storm... ewww

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 04:14 PM

Point taken Jav. It could be a bad idea to split iPhones dev team. However this discussion is not over as Verizon has expressed interest in switching over to GSM as well.

Verizon is not switching to GSM, they are merely setting their pre-4G Data networks to work on a GSM based protocol with their CDMA networks for voice. LTE can co-exist in a CDMA or GSM environment. No need to transition the whole network to GSM.

Its going to be a hassle for the consumer at first and it will cost Verizon. AT&T on the other hand is going from an already GSM environment to a future GSM environment.

Oh and BTW, LTE is not 4G, its a stepping stone to 4G.

In the western US, Verizon is the place to be. Great coverage.

Nop, on the way to San Fran from LA during Spring Semester, my aunt and uncle on Verizon lost signal in the majority of the road, AT&T kept a minimum of 3 bars. Verizon a big fat 0.

Rot'nApple

Apr 28, 2009, 04:22 PM

When Jobs 'copied' the GuI concept and mouse from Xerox, it seemed to have worked out OK, don't you think? :eek:

Thank goodness! For Microsoft's behalf! :rolleyes:

"Xerox did get around to suing Apple eventually in 1989, prompting Steve Jobs to dismiss the company as an organization so dysfunctional that they “couldn’t even sue anyone on time.” :apple:

From Cult of Mac article

http://cultofmac.com/apple-sued-for-ripping-off-xerox-alto-gui/602

Brien

Apr 28, 2009, 04:22 PM

I'm completely lost on this one. Assuming it's a Windows Mobile device, what's the point? There's already tons of third-party manufacturers churning out devices with Windows Mobile. If MS isn't controlling the mfg process and just has design input this isn't really that much different.

Unless it's a zune phone, not a WinMo phone. Of course, then MS runs the risk of alienating all the WinMo phone companies into going to Android - which is fine with me.

HLdan

Apr 28, 2009, 04:24 PM

You could have said the exact same thing about the iPhone back when Apple introduced it. In fact, many did point out that there were existing products that were better at the time. How exactly does that matter?

Absolutely, you make a good point however when Apple created the iPhone the current smart phones out there had a clunky interface, (many still do), had difficult buttons to press and required to use the same keyboard regardless what app you were using. Apple's been on a roll making not only cool but very useful products.
Other than Office name a product that Microsoft created that was not only original but has caused the industry to want to follow their footsteps and create so called "killers" of MS's innovation.
Please don't say Windows because the Macintosh operating system was first on the table out of the two.

BMWFan

Apr 28, 2009, 04:24 PM

MS did it with Xbox. They can do with the new phone as well. Funny how so many people here bash MS and at the same time own an Xbox360 hehe.

iPhoneNYC

Apr 28, 2009, 04:27 PM

It seems like Verizon is chomping at the bit to get into this thing, with however will give them a phone. I believe competition is good - by either providers or equipment providers. But one seriously doesn't think the combination of MS and Verizon is going to produce something savvy consumers will love>

Santa Rosa

Apr 28, 2009, 04:32 PM

What really makes this vastly any different to all the other WinMo devices out there? Thats what I am trying to grasp.

Microsoft should have retired Win Mo a long time ago and developed a solid OS from the ground up. Its like they don't want to admit to their mistakes.

Win Mo just doesn't seem relevant now in the mobile landscape no matter how much Microsoft try and add marketing spin.

Nonetheless I look forward to seeing what they can bring to market.

kdarling

Apr 28, 2009, 04:35 PM

Verizon is not switching to GSM, they are merely setting their pre-4G Data networks to work on a GSM based protocol with their CDMA networks for voice.

Although GSM folks decided on it first, and CDMA carriers are refining and using it first, LTE is neither a GSM nor a CDMA based protocol. It's totally different from either.

Its going to be a hassle for the consumer at first and it will cost Verizon. AT&T on the other hand is going from an already GSM environment to a future GSM environment.

There's no difference in the amount of network hassle or cost. Each carrier will have to support both their old protocols and a radically new one.

The only difference will stay the same as now: there will probably be more LTE/GSM combo phones around for a while than LTE/CDMA phones, before a full move is made to LTE for everyone.

Anuba

Apr 28, 2009, 04:37 PM

Didn't they also challenge the iPod with something called a Zune? We know how that worked out.
Didn't they also challenge the Macintosh with something called Windows? We know how that worked out.

The mandatory "remember Zune?" comment is getting old and doesn't really apply here. Portable music players are consumer products. Microsoft rules supreme on the business market, and that will be the primary target demographic for this phone.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=3762

"The vast majority of iPhone owners, 73 percent, use their mobile devices primarily for personal reasons, according to the results of a new survey by Compete.

On the other hand, 59 percent of owners of other smartphones primarily used their devices for business and work-related tasks, according to the survey."

All MS need to do is fuse the iPhone form factor and multi-touch UI with total integration with Windows and Office, and businesses will buy this thing in 100-packs.

MS did it with Xbox. They can do with the new phone as well. Funny how so many people here bash MS and at the same time own an Xbox360 hehe.
It's because Xbox360 runs on a PowerPC processor. They feel like they're buying a little piece of Apple history. ;)

cjm3113

Apr 28, 2009, 04:42 PM

Didn't they also challenge the Macintosh with something called Windows? We know how that worked out.

The mandatory "remember Zune?" comment is getting old and doesn't really apply here. Portable music players are consumer products. Microsoft rules supreme on the business market, and that will be the primary target demographic for this phone.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=3762

"The vast majority of iPhone owners, 73 percent, use their mobile devices primarily for personal reasons, according to the results of a new survey by Compete.

On the other hand, 59 percent of owners of other smartphones primarily used their devices for business and work-related tasks, according to the survey."

All MS need to do is fuse the iPhone form factor and multi-touch UI with total integration with Windows and Office, and businesses will buy this thing in 100-packs.

It's because Xbox360 runs on a PowerPC processor. They feel like they're buying a little piece of Apple history. ;)

Ha, what's with all this sense.

Everybody knows if Microsoft makes it then it will automatically suck!

/sarcasm.

theloon

Apr 28, 2009, 04:43 PM

then they wanna get into a market they said would never exist. JHC these people are idiots !!!

ryanw

Apr 28, 2009, 04:47 PM

kdarling

Apr 28, 2009, 04:50 PM

No, alot of things change. CDMA and GSM radios work *very* differently.

Yep, just like how GSM 3G radios (which are CDMA based) are very different from the 2G (TDMA) radios.

Amazing how people forget that Apple already did make a large radio change.

Radios are not rocket science. You buy the chipset and the code for it at the same time. The harder part is getting the layout and antennae correct.

How do you think it'll be when Apple has to split the same team in half to address 2 devices?

Don't think much of Apple's abilities? I think they'd do just fine, especially since they've been advertising for engineers with experience in both CDMA and GSM.

Chupa Chupa

Apr 28, 2009, 04:50 PM

ryanw

Apr 28, 2009, 04:53 PM

Absolutely, you make a good point however when Apple created the iPhone the current smart phones out there had a clunky interface, (many still do), had difficult buttons to press and required to use the same keyboard regardless what app you were using. Apple's been on a roll making not only cool but very useful products.
Other than Office name a product that Microsoft created that was not only original but has caused the industry to want to follow their footsteps and create so called "killers" of MS's innovation.
Please don't say Windows because the Macintosh operating system was first on the table out of the two.

Well, Microsoft knows how to treat developers. Visual Studio is another thing that microsoft apparently got right. Treat developers good and they will create products and spend money on advertising pushing the product and locking people into underlining architecture (Windows). Makes sense.

PodPacker

Apr 28, 2009, 04:54 PM

I saw a pic (http://www.metrorip.com/media/iphone-art/micrsoft_pink_phone.jpg) online

HLdan

Apr 28, 2009, 04:55 PM

MS did it with Xbox. They can do with the new phone as well. Funny how so many people here bash MS and at the same time own an Xbox360 hehe.

There's not a darn thing innovative about the Xbox 360. It's no better than the PS3. If anything the Nintendo is the most innovative with the interactive features it offers.

Plutonius

Apr 28, 2009, 04:56 PM

Microsoft and Verizon deserve each other.

PodPacker

Apr 28, 2009, 04:59 PM

Microsoft and Verizon deserve each other.

Preach on brother.

Every phone on Verizon is nerfed so that signal quality can be maintained. I'm sure this unholy union will pave the way for some new totally effed up DRM.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 05:07 PM

I saw a pic (http://www.metrorip.com/media/iphone-art/micrsoft_pink_phone.jpg) online

:D

DoubleU

Apr 28, 2009, 05:08 PM

I got my first smart 'phone in 2001. It ran Windows Mobile and I thought it was great. Several smart 'phones later I found the most disappointing aspect of my experience was the lack of development of the WinMo OS. In 2 years the functionality of my iPhone OS has advanced in it's functions, far more than WinMo did in my previous 6 years.

Primejimbo

Apr 28, 2009, 05:12 PM

In the western US, Verizon is the place to be. Great coverage. Excellent customer service (in my experience). Crappy phones. I recently tried to use a new Blackberry storm... ewww

I agree, when I was with them the sound quality was better than at&t IMO. My only issue with at&t is when I talk to people I will have full bars on 3G and it sounds like the person I am talking to is breaking up like I have zero bars. I'm glad I don't use the cell phone part of the iPhone a lot or this would get to me.

iPoodOverZune

Apr 28, 2009, 05:15 PM

Coming Zune, 2010 to Verizon stores near you! ;)

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 05:15 PM

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 05:17 PM

They do, and its a failure. If they join forces with Verizon, then it'll be double the failure:)

Seems they are not making as much money of Windows Mobile as they would like, lol.

Microsoft will target the business market and Apple will stay in the consumer niche. Guess who will be selling more phones in the end? Tip: It's the company that plays better with the average corporate server room, because that's where the volume is. And that, traditionally, is not Apple's playground.

But to be honest, I don't care and almost everybody else here shouldn't either. I don't own any Microsoft or Apple shares, and most of you probably don't either.

Isn't their current strategy with Windows Mobile winning over the enterprise?

Consultant

Apr 28, 2009, 05:23 PM

I support Apple and all, but Microsoft is 10 times the size of Apple (probably more), you won't see Microsoft going anywhere for a long time.

Market Value, April 28

Apple: 110.61B
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3Aaapl

Microsoft: 177.37B
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AMSFT

Logic fail. MS is not 10 times the size of Apple.

Why wouldn't Apple sell to Verizon?

Did they refuse ATT, just because ATT still sells tons of Blackberries and WinMo phones (with more features, even) ? Hardly.

It'd be a lonely business for Apple if they wanted to be the only smartphone maker on any carrier. They can't compete with others if they don't show up to the party.

Do you know that overwhelming majority of world use GSM phone?
Verizon does not use GSM; instead, Verizon uses an incompatible format called CDMA.

old-wiz

Apr 28, 2009, 05:25 PM

Preach on brother.

Every phone on Verizon is nerfed so that signal quality can be maintained. I'm sure this unholy union will pave the way for some new totally effed up DRM.

Amen to that. One reason Verizon wouldn't do the iPhone in the first place was they wanted to be able to limit whatever they wanted, feature-wise. Verizon phones are always crippled compared to what the phone is supposed to be able to do.

techfreak85

Apr 28, 2009, 05:26 PM

Market Value, April 28

Apple: 110.61B
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3Aaapl

Microsoft: 177.37B
http://www.google.com/finance?q=NASDAQ%3AMSFT

Logic fail. MS is not 10 times the size of Apple.

even tho that is technically correct, i still think Microsoft is Much larger

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 05:27 PM

Cool. Looking forward to seeing what this develops in to.

As far as some of the comments here go, I don't get it. Competition is a good thing and Microsoft (unlike Palm) really has a lot of weight to throw behind any new devices. As an iPhone user, this can only mean a better iPhone for me and so I'm all for it. Microsoft has done a fantastic job with Windows 7, so maybe, just maybe, they'll get in gear with whatever flavor of mobile windows they put on this new device.

I also believe that the iPhone absolutely should be available to everyone, no matter the carrier. I have yet to hear a sensible opposition to why this shouldn't be so. There is no perfect carrier out there and a person should be able to use an iPhone on whatever carrier best suits their needs. What's the downside? Apple sells more phones and increases its revenue? Apple increases their market share? I don't get it.

What did the Zune bring to ipod users, absolutely jack. That's the problem with Microsoft, they have money from their Windows and Office monoplies to throw at projects even without making any money off it and without bringing anything much to the field. Look at Xbox and Zune and their search engine for example. The Xbox has turned out to do ok but they've poured like around 6 billion into it without making any money until recently, same thing they're doing with their search engine while getting mauled by Google. If Apple was to go into some of these money losing ventures, they would get mauled by the press who believe the company is still doomed to fall under. I hear they are also going to be opening "money making stores". Sigh.

I agree. Bring on the competition. The iPhone isn't perfect but well ahead of the game, and much as Apple like to push on, it is very easy to slow things down (and refuse to do things like "Copy and Paste") when you're still making lots of cash...

I thank Blackberry for forcing Apple's to implement c + p :-).I thought it was the Palm Pre that forced Apple to release copy and paste, can you guys make up your mind?

MacFly123

Apr 28, 2009, 05:34 PM

The more companies innovating, the better Apple has to make the iPhone. Competition is good, people!

Now I'm not going to say that Apple is the only innovative company on earth, but seriously??? You call this Microsoft innovating??? WOW! :rolleyes:

They rip apart everything Apple has done with the iPhone from day one and say how bad it will fail and that their business model is superior and now they will just copy it all like they always do after every other company has already tried to copy it and failed and after they have eaten their words and watched the immense success and innovation that Apple has lead, meanwhile almost every sector of their company is eating #*@% and dying.

Ya, Microsoft innovates. :rolleyes:

bfc

Apr 28, 2009, 05:34 PM

even tho that is technically correct, i still think Microsoft is Much larger

Not quite double

MSFT 2008 Total Fiscal Year Earnings: ~ $60 Billion
MSFT 2008 Net Revenue: ~ $17.5 Billion

Apple 2008 Total Fiscal Year Earnings ~ $38 Billion
Apple 2008 Net Revenue: ~ $6.75 Billion

Neither company is doing poorly... Every company is cyclic, Microsoft is struggling but to count them out is stupid.

It wasn't too long ago that Apple was on the ropes.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 05:37 PM

Didn't they also challenge the Macintosh with something called Windows? We know how that worked out.

The mandatory "remember Zune?" comment is getting old and doesn't really apply here. Portable music players are consumer products. Microsoft rules supreme on the business market, and that will be the primary target demographic for this phone.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadgetreviews/?p=3762

"The vast majority of iPhone owners, 73 percent, use their mobile devices primarily for personal reasons, according to the results of a new survey by Compete.

On the other hand, 59 percent of owners of other smartphones primarily used their devices for business and work-related tasks, according to the survey."

All MS need to do is fuse the iPhone form factor and multi-touch UI with total integration with Windows and Office, and businesses will buy this thing in 100-packs.

At least Apple is making money off Macs and they are clearly the only company offering an alternative for consumers, Linux is irrelevant. Many companies have fallen against Windows but Apple is still here offering an alternative for us and they are making a killing of Macs not unlike the money losing "ipod killer."

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 05:40 PM

But wait... why does M$ need to sell it's own phone? According to the other Steve (tha'd be Stevie B, the wild tounged one) M$ ships millions and millions and millions of phones every month in the form of Windows Mobile. Remember when he challenged the iPhone when it was announced by saying "let's see how the competition goes." Guess we know now. M$ lost.

If you are feeling nostalgic.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5oGaZIKYvo

Is Microsoft getting ready to admit Windows Mobile is a failure? :eek:

Now I'm not going to say that Apple is the only innovative company on earth, but seriously??? You call this Microsoft innovating??? WOW! :rolleyes:

They rip apart everything Apple has done with the iPhone from day one and say how bad it will fail and that their business model is superior and now they will just copy it all like they always do after every other company has already tried to copy it and failed and after they have eaten their words and watched the immense success and innovation that Apple has lead, meanwhile almost every sector of their company is eating #*@% and dying.

Ya, Microsoft innovates. :rolleyes:

These guys are proper clowns. They scrapped Play for Sure and released the Zune, now they are coming to make their own phone even though they have Windows Mobile, and what do you know they also want to open their own stores?

Mal

Apr 28, 2009, 05:43 PM

iphone has a monopoly?

Of course. Don't you know that Apple has a monopoly on iPhones? It's so wrong!:cool:

jW

Johnny2009

Apr 28, 2009, 05:44 PM

Microsoft has always done this, they just copy what is out there that is successful and they try to make a profit in a hot market, aka X-Box, ZUNE, Windows. The problem is, when they make this stuff, its usually trash and barely works likes it suppose too. Verizon has the best cell towers and coverage, no doubt, but they nickel and dime a person to death and lock lots of features on these phones. V-Cast sucks, their Apps suck and the verizon software really sucks. Verizon are just really greedy bastards. Now if Verizon would just let the iphone alone and have full access to their network, i would buy an iphone on verizon, but i serious doubt verizon would get rid of their v-cast and all their other crappy apps and software just for apple, i bet the compromise will be that apple has to include v-cast, ringtones and all the other crap verizon offers on the verizon iphone.

Chupa Chupa

Apr 28, 2009, 05:46 PM

Microsoft is struggling but to count them out is stupid.

It wasn't too long ago that Apple was on the ropes.

True, but Apple went out and got Jobs back. Jobs oversaw the iMac and then the iPod. M$ is stuck w/ Ballmer. He's a great cheerleader, but innovator he is not. Nearly every major product he has launched aside from Windows and Office has come up 2nd or worse.

Anuba

Apr 28, 2009, 05:50 PM

What did the Zune bring to ipod users, absolutely jack. That's the problem with Microsoft, they have money from their Windows and Office monoplies to throw at projects even without making any money off it and without bringing anything much to the field. Look at Xbox and Zune and their search engine for example. The Xbox has turned out to do ok but they've poured like around 6 billion into it without making any money until recently, same thing they're doing with their search engine while getting mauled by Google.
They've been itching to manufacture hardware for ages, the problem was just that they were worried about competing with the manufacturers who buy (and ultimately, sell) Windows. So they went into areas where they didn't risk angering HP, Dell and the others. They started with mice and keyboards. Then gaming consoles. Then music players. And now, phones. The phone thing is interesting because that's the first time they're going head to head with other manufacturers who license Windows, and I'm guessing that they're testing the waters to see if it might be feasible to go into computer manufacturing.

mikeinternet

Apr 28, 2009, 05:51 PM

Of course. Don't you know that Apple has a monopoly on iPhones? It's so wrong!:cool:

jW

I know right? Apple needs to give other companies a chance to make good products.

BMWFan

Apr 28, 2009, 05:51 PM

There's not a darn thing innovative about the Xbox 360. It's no better than the PS3. If anything the Nintendo is the most innovative with the interactive features it offers.

And yet many of the mac users here that like to bash MS own a Xbox360. If they can take majority share away from the dominant sony playstation without any innovation, imagine what they could with some! :D

BMWFan

Apr 28, 2009, 05:54 PM

bfc

Apr 28, 2009, 05:56 PM

Actually thinking about it, Xbox360 does have some innovation. The superior online experience. That innovation is the reason why Xbox360 is so popular.

Agreed and the main reason it's beating Sony. I think the Xbox was the first console to come with an integrated hard drive.

To say Microsoft didn't innovate with the X-box product line is disingenuous.

Anuba

Apr 28, 2009, 06:06 PM

At least Apple is making money off Macs and they are clearly the only company offering an alternative for consumers, Linux is irrelevant. Many companies have fallen against Windows but Apple is still here offering an alternative for us and they are making a killing of Macs not unlike the money losing "ipod killer."
It's good to have Apple around, it seems like they're the only ones who are inspiring MS to try harder.

The original Zune was an ugly PoS, but the new Zune HD actually looks well designed and has a couple of features that iPods don't (HDMI and wireless sync). At some point they're going to find their own Jonathan Ive. If the phone looks anything like the Zune HD, it's gonna be a lot more attractive than the butt-ugly Google phone, the Palm Pre and most of the Blackberries...

Pnut13

Apr 28, 2009, 06:14 PM

Verizon fails at coverage and CS service.

As for Windows Live Spaces, its a small service thats starting out. I don't think its great nor do I bash it since I haven't used it; however, I have seen it and know of it.

Verizon doesnt suck in most areas, Chicago as you say, i live on Long Island and have never had a problem losing calls
MS did it with Xbox. They can do with the new phone as well. Funny how so many people here bash MS and at the same time own an Xbox360 hehe.
I have a PS3 qnd Wii and i wont buy a gaming system that breaks that happens to do online gaming "great" woopie friggin DO
Well, Microsoft knows how to treat developers. Visual Studio is another thing that microsoft apparently got right. Treat developers good and they will create products and spend money on advertising pushing the product and locking people into underlining architecture (Windows). Makes sense.
Developers are only one thing, if they do only so so on everything else it wont matter
Look if they were so good with developers on their Software on the 360 would make them the clear cut #1 they are well far behind the Nintendo Wii (a kids system that "sucks" :sarcasm:)
And yet many of the mac users here that like to bash MS own a Xbox360. If they can take majority share away from the dominant sony playstation without any innovation, imagine what they could with some! :D
They are winning because sony is too much on the Blu Ray and not looking at other things. It is because of Sony;s fail and their cheap price that are helping them into the #2 spot but as far as this gen of consoles, nintendo is still far ahead

ANd

Actually thinking about it, Xbox360 does have a nice piece of innovation. The superior online experience. That innovation is the reason why Xbox360 is so popular. Let's see Apple taking a crack at the gaming market and see how well it does.
Who cares about that if you dont play online? I dont...and i know i am not the only one.....i actually have friends that i sit down with in the same room (better to talk smack too) Plus IMO 1st person shooter stink (and that is what most "online" gamers want to play. Other than Madden
Agreed and the main reason it's beating Sony. I think the Xbox was the first console to come with an integrated hard drive.

To say Microsoft didn't innovate with the X-box product line is disingenuous.
Oh a HD what an inovation, acts like that is such a big deal.....games have gone from cards to save on to HDD's because most games now need the extra space in Bytes to hold the saves, plus now people download Netflix and such. So saying that is "innovation" when it really was necessity on MS's and Sonys.

BMWFan

Apr 28, 2009, 06:17 PM

Oh a HD what an inovation, acts like that is such a big deal.....games have gone from cards to save on to HDD's because most games now need the extra space in Bytes to hold the saves, plus now people download Netflix and such. So saying that is "innovation" when it really was necessity on MS's and Sonys.

When Apple does it, it's "innovation". When MS does it, it's "necessity". Amirite?

Michael CM1

Apr 28, 2009, 06:29 PM

Actually thinking about it, Xbox360 does have a nice piece of innovation. The superior online experience. That innovation is the reason why Xbox360 is so popular. Let's see Apple taking a crack at the gaming market and see how well it does.

I haven't used an Xbox 360 or PS3, so I don't know anything about the "online experience." But the main reason the Xbox 360 leads is because it was out a year earlier. I'm pretty sure Sony's delay was caused by using Blu-ray Disc as a medium. They lost a couple hundred bucks on those units at first, and may still lose about that much now. But a year's head start has put the 360 above the PS3, not to mention the lower price.

I own a Wii, but if I were to get one of the higher-end game systems, I'd go with a PS3. People rave about how fast it plays BDs and the games are pretty similar between those two.

As far as the "integrated hard drive" claim of innovation I saw, puh-lease. Unless you're talking about the original Xbox, Sony beat Microsoft to the punch on actually having a HDD. The PS2 was able to use one a few years ago on a few games. Naturally, Sony still sells 8MB cards for $25, which is probably the main reason the PS2 is still sold. Those 8MB cards probably cost 20 cents to make. That's a nifty markup when you can get 4GB flash cards for $20.

powers74

Apr 28, 2009, 06:29 PM

I'm no fan of Microsoft but let's be fair. Microsoft showed great innovation with the GUI-based operating system by making it run on a wider selection of hardware. That was an innovation that Apple famously refused to pursue and, for that, Microsoft rightly gets credit for introducing the world to the GUI. Was that not an innovative move?

Maybe. But the reason Bill did that was not to be smart or innovative, or because he wanted it to be a good product, or because he wanted to introduce the GUI to the masses or anything like that. He just wanted to make a $#!t-ton of money.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 06:30 PM

I know right? Apple needs to give other companies a chance to make good products.

LOL.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 06:33 PM

Actually thinking about it, Xbox360 does have a nice piece of innovation. The superior online experience. That innovation is the reason why Xbox360 is so popular. Let's see Apple taking a crack at the gaming market and see how well it does.
Yeah I'm sure Apple will do pretty well if they pour 6 billion and lose money for many years but yet still come up second every time, lol.

BMWFan

Apr 28, 2009, 06:38 PM

Maybe. But the reason Bill did that was not to be smart or innovative, or because he wanted it to be a good product, or because he wanted to introduce the GUI to the masses or anything like that. He just wanted to make a $#!t-ton of money.

I'm sorry, but every company, even Apple, releases "innovations" to make money.

Yeah I'm sure Apple will do pretty well if they pour 6 billion and lose money for many years but yet still come up second every time, lol.

Well they're spending a lot on their Macs and look where they're. I will assume you will reply with the standard "market share != quality" argument. But you can similarly use the same argument with the MS products that have come in the second ;)

iceman73

Apr 28, 2009, 07:01 PM

Code name "Pink"? Ooooooooo I'm really scared at this non-threatening product. Just another flop.

powers74

Apr 28, 2009, 07:20 PM

I'm sorry, but every company, even Apple, releases "innovations" to make money.

Why do you put innovations in quotations like that? I wonder if you understand what innovation means. The way I see the two, they are completely separate concepts.

So a company sells a product to make money. Right. Anyone can do that.
Apple does it, M-soft does it, Sony does it. They all make money doing that, I'm not knocking any of them for making money on the products they sell.

Innovation, the way I see it is a little less tangible. Like combining a mobile phone, and MP3 player, and a PDA into one insanely easy to use product. Like finding astonishingly simple ways to install hard drives and RAM in a desktop. Like an email program that recognizes appointments so you can easily set a date or to-do with a reminder, contacts and locations. Like a home computer that reduces a nightmareish web of cords and wires to one.

Just because Gates sold his software to multiple vendors doesn't make his product innovative. As an innovative way to make money, sure, I guess that's the first time that had been done. The poster made it sound like windows was innovative because it was sold to multiple vendors, which doesn't make sense. To me anyway.

As I see it, products, a company makes money on. Innovation is a level of intellectual effort that goes into the development of a product. I'm not trying to be a dick, I am just confused as to why both the original poster and yourself seem to think M-soft is so "innovative".

nefan65

Apr 28, 2009, 07:24 PM

Awesome...I can't wait. A phone that doesn't work, on a network that cripples phones.

"You don't have 3G anywhere in this your area...but it's okay, because it looks like your phone locked up".

Pnut13

Apr 28, 2009, 07:27 PM

When Apple does it, it's "innovation". When MS does it, it's "necessity". Amirite?

Apple was the first company ot get rid of 3.5 floppy dish drives, they didnt do this out of necessity they did it because a cd is 486X larger, it wasnt an innovation it was more of seing ahead like MS, which is not "innovation" when they(Microsoft) are not the ones to invent the hard drive just like apple wasnt the one that invented CD bruners and drives. So no Apple is not but neither is M$

In a different way..... Apples ipod was 1GB @$400when everybody elses was 128KB at $150. Sure the apple one is 2.5 X more expensive, but it was 8 x bigger in size. Apple was not invating but smart.
Innovating is comming out with a product that changes things forever..............like a Hybrid car to a Gas one. Like Facebook to myspace:p

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 07:29 PM

I'm sorry, but every company, even Apple, releases "innovations" to make money.

Well they're spending a lot on their Macs and look where they're. I will assume you will reply with the standard "market share != quality" argument. But you can similarly use the same argument with the MS products that have come in the second ;)
Yeah I'm sure Apple has been pouring billions into Macs while making no money of them. :rolleyes:

StuBeck

Apr 28, 2009, 07:29 PM

The more companies innovating, the better Apple has to make the iPhone. Competition is good, people!

Exactly! If nothing else, Microsoft has been proven to make Apple do price cuts (30GB iPod went down $50 when the Zune came out) so I don't understand all the negative comments. If you don't like it, don't buy it!

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 07:31 PM

Exactly! If nothing else, Microsoft has been proven to make Apple do price cuts (30GB iPod went down $50 when the Zune came out) so I don't understand all the negative comments. If you don't like it, don't buy it!

So Apple did that because of the money loosing Zune? :rolleyes:

haravikk

Apr 28, 2009, 07:32 PM

I thought this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY) was Microsoft's iPhone rival? :D

randyhudson

Apr 28, 2009, 07:39 PM

Aaaaaand... you lost me. But, I guess better than brown, eh Zune?

One more failed consumer device, and we should be able to make some nice Neapolitan paperweights.

DesignerOnMac

Apr 28, 2009, 07:40 PM

Well, before saying that, look where Windows has got them. :eek:

Micro$$ is where it is because since the beginning if you wanted a PC and went to a retail store ALL PCs came with WINDOZ INSTALLED!

End of Story!

cycomiko

Apr 28, 2009, 07:50 PM

So Apple did that because of the money loosing Zune? :rolleyes:

Just like apple magically matched the newer zunes 8/16gb setup while brushing the 4gb release under the carpet, or canada, one of the two.

competition works in many wonderful ways...

cycomiko

Apr 28, 2009, 07:51 PM

Micro$$ is where it is because since the beginning if you wanted a PC and went to a retail store ALL PCs came with WINDOZ INSTALLED!

End of Story!

All of the PCs in the store could have come with Apples OS on them...

but somehow microsoft managed to get there...

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 07:52 PM

Verizon doesnt suck in most areas, Chicago as you say, i live on Long Island and have never had a problem losing calls

...

I never said Chicago....

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 07:54 PM

Micro$$ is where it is because since the beginning if you wanted a PC and went to a retail store ALL PCs came with WINDOZ INSTALLED!

End of Story!

I went into Best Buy and all the computers there run Windows with the exception of the Macs on the side. I mean essentially for consumers buying computers they only have 2 choices, Macs or PCs and in a lot of cases only Windows. Pitiful ain't it?

Funny what being handed a monopoly, when Microsoft has to actually compete in other markets, they fail to build monopolies through their "superior products."

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 07:55 PM

Just like apple magically matched the newer zunes 8/16gb setup while brushing the 4gb release under the carpet, or canada, one of the two.

competition works in many wonderful ways...

Another story planted to make Zune users happy that they are somehow providing competition despite Zunes losing millions of dollars for Microsoft, competition indeed. :rolleyes:

jav6454

Apr 28, 2009, 07:55 PM

I went into Best Buy and all the computers there run Windows with the exception of the Macs on the side. I mean essentially for consumers buying computers they only have 2 choices, Macs or PCs and in a lot of cases only Windows. Pitiful ain't it?

Funny what being handed a monopoly, when Microsoft has to actually compete in other markets, they fail to build monopolies through their "superior products."

I like this thought....

superior? my crouch

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 08:02 PM

All of the PCs in the store could have come with Apples OS on them...

but somehow microsoft managed to get there...

At least Apple is there providing an alternative making sure Microsoft doesn't have a 100 percent share of desktop OS. Where are the other companies stepping to the plate to provide alternatives consumers can buy in stores? So much for choice, lol.

kockgunner

Apr 28, 2009, 08:03 PM

About 3 years too late... Apple was right when they said the iPhone was years ahead of the competition. By then we'll be on Firmware 5.0 with a few hundred thousand apps on the App Store.

BMWFan

Apr 28, 2009, 08:09 PM

At least Apple is there providing an alternative making sure Microsoft doesn't have a 100 percent share of desktop OS. Where are the other companies stepping to the plate to provide alternatives consumers can buy in stores? So much for choice, lol.

At least MS is providing an alternative with Zune and the rumored phone making sure that Apple doesn't have a 100% of the PMP market. It's funny how mac fanboys suggest MS get rid of Zune and then use the quoted excuse when Macs are brought in.

As for the Windows monopoly goes, both Apple and MS had equal opportunity to take the market when they were both young. Apple was arrogant and MS took advantage of it. Don't blame MS, blame Apple. MS made the best out of the situation though innovative business strategies.

BMWFan

Apr 28, 2009, 08:12 PM

Yeah I'm sure Apple has been pouring billions into Macs while making no money of them. :rolleyes:

Except MS have recently started making profits from the Xboxes. And top of that once the hardware problems are completely solved, they will have a non stop source of revenue through the Xbox Live subscriptions. Mac users are quick to use the "market share != quality" when it comes to Mac vs Pc arguments, but when it comes to MS products, they use a different standard. Hypocritical. Like I said, lets see Apple enter the gaming market and make as much difference as MS did in the time frame.

ThomasJL

Apr 28, 2009, 08:24 PM

The more companies innovating, the better Apple has to make the iPhone. Competition is good, people!

Exactly.

MacFly123

Apr 28, 2009, 08:31 PM

True, but Apple went out and got Jobs back. Jobs oversaw the iMac and then the iPod. M$ is stuck w/ Ballmer. He's a great cheerleader, but innovator he is not. Nearly every major product he has launched aside from Windows and Office has come up 2nd or worse.

WHY IN THE BLODDY &@#^ don't the Microsoft share holders move to get Ballmer FIRED??? He is such a waste of flesh! With all the money Microsoft has they could afford to hire brilliant people, and I'm sure some already work there, but with Ballmer at the helm they will NEVER be an innovative and wildly successful company PERIOD! It boggles my mind that he wasn't fired years and years ago and that he ever became C.E.O. in the first place. Talk about riding Bill Gates' coat tales GEEZE! :rolleyes:

F1NAL CUTTER

Apr 28, 2009, 08:37 PM

As a Verizon customer, I really hope this happens! I don't want the Blackberry!!!! :mad:

Mark Booth

Apr 28, 2009, 08:43 PM

Any truth to the rumor the Microsoft phone is called the iSuck?

:p

Mark

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 08:43 PM

At least MS is providing an alternative with Zune and the rumored phone making sure that Apple doesn't have a 100% of the PMP market. It's funny how mac fanboys suggest MS get rid of Zune and then use the quoted excuse when Macs are brought in.

As for the Windows monopoly goes, both Apple and MS had equal opportunity to take the market when they were both young. Apple was arrogant and MS took advantage of it. Don't blame MS, blame Apple. MS made the best out of the situation though innovative business strategies.

Which is why when I walk into Best Buy I see mp3 and PMP from Archos, Sony, Samsung, Sansa, Microsoft, Phillips, RCA, Coby, Cowon, and a plethora of others. Even with all these companies making mp3 players and PMP Apple still has 70 percent of the market. If I want smartphones I can use smartphones with many different OS from iphone, blackberry, windows mobile, symbian, webOS, android, etc. If I want a cheap phone I have a plethora of choice. Meanwhile if I go to Best Buy the only alternative to the Windows monopoly are Macs, so much for consumer choice. :rolleyes:

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 08:46 PM

Except MS have recently started making profits from the Xboxes. And top of that once the hardware problems are completely solved, they will have a non stop source of revenue through the Xbox Live subscriptions. Mac users are quick to use the "market share != quality" when it comes to Mac vs Pc arguments, but when it comes to MS products, they use a different standard. Hypocritical. Like I said, lets see Apple enter the gaming market and make as much difference as MS did in the time frame.

Yeah just like they couldn't make any difference in the smartphone and mp3 markets. I'm sure if Apple threw 6 billion dollars while taking up huge losses, they could make as much of a difference as any company. Meanwhile we all see how successful Zunes are, lol.

BMWFan

Apr 28, 2009, 08:49 PM

Which is why when I walk into Best Buy I see mp3 and PMP from Archos, Sony, Samsung, Sansa, Microsoft, Phillips, RCA, Coby, Cowon, and a plethora of others. Even with all these companies making mp3 players and PMP Apple still has 70 percent of the market. If I want smartphones I can use smartphones with many different OS from iphone, blackberry, windows mobile, symbian, webOS, android, etc. If I want a cheap phone I have a plethora of choice. Meanwhile if I go to Best Buy the only alternative to the Windows monopoly are Macs, so much for consumer choice. :rolleyes:

Eh, you can buy laptops and netbooks with Linux from various companies like Asus, Dell, HP. There's your consumer choice right there.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/08/apple_near_saturation_point_for_ipod_itunes_use_by_teens.html

on the other hand, apple's market share of pmp's is definitely greater than the 70 percent you've mentioned.

BMWFan

Apr 28, 2009, 08:52 PM

Yeah just like they couldn't make any difference in the smartphone and mp3 markets. I'm sure if Apple threw 6 billion dollars while taking up huge losses, they could make as much of a difference as any company. Meanwhile we all see how successful Zunes are, lol.

Meanwhile we all see how successful Macs are, lol, even after Apple focusing on them for so many years and spending so much money. It's almost like they gave up on Macs because with all their effort they just couldn't crack it and looked for something else to do.

So far we've MS winning in OS and games console and Apple winning in PMPs and phones.

Let me remind you that you're the one praising Macs for providing competition while bashing Zune for being a failure when it provides competition as well. Hypocrite.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 08:57 PM

Eh, you can buy laptops and netbooks with Linux from various companies like Asus, Dell, HP. There's your consumer choice right there.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/08/apple_near_saturation_point_for_ipod_itunes_use_by_teens.html

on the other hand, apple's market share of pmp's is definitely greater than the 70 percent you've mentioned.

Yawn if those Linux netbooks were selling crazy, how come 95 percent of shipping netbooks come with XP. When I walk in Best Buy or any other electronics retailer I don't see any Linux computers, all I see are PCs and in some places Macs. Linux is mostly irrelevant.

As for the 70 percent, go listen to Apple's recent earnings report.

pepp5

Apr 28, 2009, 08:59 PM

Pink? cant come up with a better codename?

Code name "Pink"? Ooooooooo I'm really scared at this non-threatening product. Just another flop.

Just so you know, Apple (and IBM) used Pink as a code name a loooong time ago....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taligent#Pink_and_Blue

BMWFan

Apr 28, 2009, 09:00 PM

Yawn if those Linux netbooks were selling crazy, how come 95 percent of shipping netbooks come with XP. When I walk in Best Buy or any other electronics retailer I don't see any Linux computers, all I see are PCs and in some places Macs. Linux is mostly irrelevant.

The choice is still there. Don't blame MS if people decide not to buy Linux. Linux is not irrelevant. I've seen plenty of retailers selling eee pcs with linux for example. Anyway I am off to bed.

bfc

Apr 28, 2009, 09:04 PM

Yawn if those Linux netbooks were selling crazy, how come 95 percent of shipping netbooks come with XP. When I walk in Best Buy or any other electronics retailer I don't see any Linux computers, all I see are PCs and in some places Macs. Linux is mostly irrelevant.

As for the 70 percent, go listen to Apple's recent earnings report.

That 95% number is only Brick and Morter sales, and doesn't include online sales. That being said, I don't see Linux netbook share being greater than 15%

BMWFan

Apr 28, 2009, 09:11 PM

Also what's up with macrumors and posting microsoft rumors? it's the same with any apple blog as well. just avoid microsoft rumors altogether please.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 09:15 PM

Meanwhile we all see how successful Macs are, lol, even after Apple focusing on them for so many years and spending so much money. It's almost like they gave up on Macs because with all their effort they just couldn't crack it and looked for something else to do.

So far we've MS winning in OS and games console and Apple winning in PMPs and phones.

Let me remind you that you're the one praising Macs for providing competition while bashing Zune for being a failure when it provides competition as well. Hypocrite.

They gave up on Macs, what a freaking joke, of all the companies that stood up to Microsoft, only Apple is left, and they've found a niche and are making tons of money of it. You don't have to have 90 percent of the market to make money. Apple also competes against the likes of Dell and HP and have nice profit margins on their Macs that those companies wish they had. The Macs are a success for Apple, you can try and diminish it all you want.

Last time I checked Apple doesn't make a game console, it's like saying Apple is winning in retail stores against Microsoft when Microsoft doesnt even have their own stores. As for the Zune, yes its not successful, which is why its losing money for Microsoft and hasn't done much to establish itself and has become a money losing venture. I guess that's success for you, lol.

AidenShaw

Apr 28, 2009, 09:15 PM

I've seen plenty of retailers selling eee pcs with linux for example.

And the statistics show that many of the Linux models are returned to the retailer after the customer realizes the mistake.

Ubuntu Confirms Linux Netbook Returns Higher than Anticipated

October 6th, 2008 by Joanna Stern

MSI candidly told us that Linux netbooks see a 4 times higher return rate than netbooks that are preloaded with Windows XP. The comment has attracted lots of comments and interpretations about Linux OSes on netbooks across the Net.

http://blog.laptopmag.com/ubuntu-confirms-linux-netbook-returns-higher-than-anticpated

Type "linux netbook return" into your favorite non-monopolistic search engine for many, many more stories like this.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 09:17 PM

The choice is still there. Don't blame MS if people decide not to buy Linux. Linux is not irrelevant. I've seen plenty of retailers selling eee pcs with linux for example. Anyway I am off to bed.

Which retailers are selling eee pcs with linux, all I see on those netbooks are Windows XP, Linux is practically irrelevant for the average dude, which is why they have no store presence.

Goona

Apr 28, 2009, 09:21 PM

That 95% number is only Brick and Morter sales, and doesn't include online sales. That being said, I don't see Linux netbook share being greater than 15%

I doubt their share is that high, most people are returning the Linux netbooks once they realize they aren't using Windows, lol.

butterfly0fdoom

Apr 28, 2009, 09:46 PM

Let me remind you that you're the one praising Macs for providing competition while bashing Zune for being a failure when it provides competition as well. Hypocrite.

Now, I don't really know what's been going on between the two of you, but while both provide competition, Macs sell well and perform well. Zunes don't.

SandynJosh

Apr 28, 2009, 10:01 PM

I support Apple and all, but Microsoft is 10 times the size of Apple (probably more), you won't see Microsoft going anywhere for a long time.

The list of players in what was once called the "Micro-computer" market that have left the field is long, and full of many big established names. Their main failings were (1) inability to innovate, (2) inability to adjust to a rapidly evolving market.

I believe that as long as Balmer is in charge of Microsoft it will continue to marginalize itself into irrelevantcy. He clearly lacks the vision to see the "next great thing" until it is already off and running. The current enterprise market for efficiency tools is changing and evolving too fast to use 1980s strategy to copy what the market is buying.

Balmer was quoted as saying, early on, that the iPhone wasn't going to sell, the phone market was too mature, and besides the Mobile PC OS was well established and fit their plan.

Now that the iPhone/ApStore combo is eating everyone's lunch, Microsoft is mumbling about, "Well we can do that too." The problem is, the inertia toward the iPhone is high, Apple has established a very viable product in the enterprise market as well as the consumer market, and is about to raise the bar once again with an improved iPhone and a new "Next Great Thing."

Microsoft got where they were by riding into the enterprise market on the coat tails of Digital Research and IBM. They ripped off Apple's GUI with windows to hold onto their market. As for innovation they have not innovated as much as they have purchased small companies who did innovate. This extended from user software such as spreadsheets to IT products such as networking software. I don't see them showing any ability to be innovative...the top guy just doesn't have the vision to drive the company past 1980s thinking.