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MacRumors
Apr 29, 2009, 01:12 PM
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Simplify Media (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/08/14/stream-your-itunes-library-to-your-iphone-over-wi-fi-edge-or-3g/) was one of the early App Store hits, allowing users to stream their entire iTunes music library to their iPhone or iPod touch via Wi-Fi, 3G or EDGE. The application also allowed users to stream from up to 30 of their friends' libraries.

Simplify Media has now released Simplify Music 2.0 [App Store (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=304677902&mt=8), $2.99], bringing several new features to the application.- Search: Search by artist, album and title across all connected computers as though it’s one giant library
- Favorites: Tag favorite music on the fly from personal libraries, or those of friends
- Playlists: Create an on-the-fly playlist for later enjoyment right on your phone or touch
- Seek: Use the “scrub bar” to easily move forward or back in a streamed podcast or audio bookWhile DRM-protected iTunes Store music can only be streamed to other authorized computers and not to the iPhone and iPod touch client, iTunes Plus tracks are available for streaming to any linked device.

Users are also required to install Simplify Media's free software (http://www.simplifymedia.com/download.html) on computers from which they wish to stream music libraries. The software is available for Mac, Windows, and Linux.

Simplify Media 2.0 is available at an introductory price of $2.99 for both new and existing users, and the original version of Simplify Media will continue to be supported for existing users who choose not to upgrade.

Article Link: 'Simplify Music 2.0' Brings Upgrades to Popular iTunes Library Streamer (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2009/04/29/simplify-music-2-0-brings-upgrades-to-popular-itunes-library-streamer/)



blazeX999
Apr 29, 2009, 01:23 PM
Its great to see an update to the software. The developers of the software do listen to user feedback and implemented features that I requested. Great Job!

Pugpuppydude
Apr 29, 2009, 01:37 PM
The developers of the software do listen to user feedback and implemented features that I requested. Great Job!
Yes indeed! A search function will be so nice.

BeyondtheTech
Apr 29, 2009, 01:38 PM
I can see the people writing reviews for the original Simplify Media (now called "Simplify (Original)" and priced at $3.99 [non-affiliated App Store link (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=284941327&mt=8)]) are starting to give one star and bitching that it's a feature update that should have been given free to existing, paid users of that software.

BlazeX999, are you affiliated with Simplify Media and Zillow by any chance? With a join date the same day of its release and two posts, both being praises of a product and its company, you've got my left eyebrow raised higher than Spock's.

hoonu
Apr 29, 2009, 01:46 PM
I can see the people writing reviews for the original Simplify Media (now called "Simplify (Original)" and priced at $3.99 [non-affiliated App Store link (http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=284941327&mt=8)]) are starting to give one star and bitching that it's a feature update that should have been given free to existing, paid users of that software.

BlazeX999, are you affiliated with Simplify Media by any chance? With a join date the same day of its release and only two posts (one being a praise of the company and the product), you've got my left eyebrow raised higher than Spock's.

I have this app and mainly discontinued using it over time because I wanted a search function. Kinda burns I gotta pay $3 to get to search.

Excellerator
Apr 29, 2009, 01:47 PM
I agree, this should have been a free upgrade for those of us who have already bought it.

Pugpuppydude
Apr 29, 2009, 01:52 PM
I agree, this should have been a free upgrade for those of us who have already bought it.
True but they have to make money somehow. For all we know they put a lot of time and money into these updates, and they would be loosing money by offering it as a free upgrade to existing owners. I don't mind paying the money, these updates seem worth it.

iPhoneVic
Apr 29, 2009, 02:02 PM
Updates are supposed to be Free...if developers want to make money
make a lite version...

Excellerator
Apr 29, 2009, 02:07 PM
True but they have to make money somehow. For all we know they put a lot of time and money into these updates, and they would be loosing money by offering it as a free upgrade to existing owners. I don't mind paying the money, these updates seem worth it.

I bought the upgrade only because its one of my most used apps.

But on the bright side, notice they changed the name to "Simplify Music" does that mean possibly a "Simplify Video" is on the way?????

BeyondtheTech
Apr 29, 2009, 02:23 PM
I bought the upgrade only because its one of my most used apps.

But on the bright side, notice they changed the name to "Simplify Music" does that mean possibly a "Simplify Video" is on the way?????

If anything, to cause less of a stir, they should have NOT used the 2.0 designation. After all, that would be considered a software update of the original.

Had they named it "Simplify Media Pro," I probably wouldn't have blinked, but after spending $3-4 on the original (I can't remember), I can say that it irks me to also pay $3 for a search feature.

Chances are that the original version isn't going to get any software updates, either.

str1f3
Apr 29, 2009, 02:48 PM
I could see why a few people would be pissed but there are also a lot of people who got the app for free when it initially came out including myself. I'm going to get it because the app is worth it especially for the new features.

The way to look at it is that you're not losing any functionality and it is still a great app. I would love the ability to stream video if they make an app for it.

I got a 20,000 song library. Add me: str1f3

Wigletbill
Apr 29, 2009, 02:57 PM
I use this app every day. I also use the desktop app at the office. I got the first one for free.

I also had some issues with the first release and emailed support and got a prompt reply, fixing the problem.

I am smiling ear to ear right now and would gladly pay $20 for this app.... hell, even more than that.

J

stratmancj
Apr 29, 2009, 03:02 PM
why is everyone bitching so much about how updates should be free, its rediculious to have to pay $3 for search? support the company! $3 is nothing! they give you free sharing over pc, and ask 3 bucks for a major upgrade to their already awesome app ... next time you get a meal at mcdonalds, think about how you could have bought this app twice

Wigletbill
Apr 29, 2009, 03:04 PM
why is everyone bitching so much about how updates should be free, its rediculious to have to pay $3 for search? support the company! $3 is nothing! they give you free sharing over pc, and ask 3 bucks for a major upgrade to their already awesome app ... next time you get a meal at mcdonalds, think about how you could have bought this app twice

EXACTLY... it is a full upgrade. I am sure the code is cleaned up a lot and there is a lot more going on under the hood than just a new search function.

I mean, SCREW ADOBE for coming out with CS4 when I paid for CS3!!!

It's three dollars.

rstone3
Apr 29, 2009, 03:09 PM
I had the original installed for a while (I got it free) but had huge numbers of network problems / computers unable to see each other, etc. All that went away when I de-installed it. Still not sure if it was the cause.

I suspect that soon iTunes will at least allow in-network streaming to iPhone as it does to other computer clients; a long-ago version even allowed that out of network until it was 'fixed'. This, of course, would not allow streaming over 3G at this point.

At this point, I'm going to avoid this application as above...

BeyondtheTech
Apr 29, 2009, 03:19 PM
EXACTLY... it is a full upgrade. I am sure the code is cleaned up a lot and there is a lot more going on under the hood than just a new search function.

I mean, SCREW ADOBE for coming out with CS4 when I paid for CS3!!!

It's three dollars.

You let one company or developer slide, you'll find all these other companies and developers doing the same thing eventually, and it'll get ugly. Piracy and jailbreaking is bad enough, let's not give anyone any reason to want to.

Sure, it's 1 app at $2.99. What if 30 developers did it with each of their app over the course of a month or two? Mind you, you may have already spent up to $3.99 for their first versions. $30 x 3 = $90 for the first versions PLUS another $90 for updates?

If Simplify Media was still making money selling their current version at $3.99, I believe their sales would have jumped with these new features, since the original owners would have gotten the free update, showed it off to their friends, updated their reviews, and/or help skyrocket the 2.0 update to a Top List in the App Store.

But, now, all they're doing is burning their current customer base by saying, "Thanks, but pay again."

Daiden
Apr 29, 2009, 03:28 PM
Definitely not buying this or any future apps from this developer.

papiti
Apr 29, 2009, 03:32 PM
You let one company or developer slide, you'll find all these other companies and developers doing the same thing eventually, and it'll get ugly. Piracy and jailbreaking is bad enough, let's not give anyone any reason to want to.

Sure, it's 1 app at $2.99. What if 30 developers did it with each of their app over the course of a month or two? Mind you, you may have already spent up to $3.99 for their first versions. $30 x 3 = $90 for the first versions PLUS another $90 for updates?

If Simplify Media was still making money selling their current version at $3.99, I believe their sales would have jumped with these new features, since the original owners would have gotten the free update, showed it off to their friends, updated their reviews, and/or help skyrocket the 2.0 update to a Top List in the App Store.

But, now, all they're doing is burning their current customer base by saying, "Thanks, but pay again."

I Agree. If we let this one pass by, the next upgrades from our paid apps are gonna have to be paid for. So that's double jeopardy. That's not fair at all. If they wanted to add new features to the Simplify Media App, they should have made a new App, with another name, and different features.

Its just the same as copying an App from a developer, adding a little search button and making a profit from it saying its different. PLEASE, its the same application, UPGRADED. They are just trying to pass one by us.

We should all start sending some nasty e-mails to Apple about this. Even if you got it for free at the beginning, more power to you, contact Apple and tell them you have a problem with this.

I know I am contacting them saying that I DO have a problem with this situation1!!!:mad:

DipDog3
Apr 29, 2009, 03:33 PM
Definitely not buying this or any future apps from this developer.

Second that! If they are going to screw over their loyal users, then they can keep the app.

papiti
Apr 29, 2009, 03:44 PM
OK, I just sent Apple my formal complaint about this Upgrade to the Application. My suggestion is that those of you that agree with me and others that it is not fair to be paying for this upgrade, send a complaint to Apple. The more complaints they get, the more they are gonna place attention to the complaint.:mad:

cmschmidt
Apr 29, 2009, 03:45 PM
Say all you want about the developers putting in "so much time to make the app better that you should be glad to buy it over" but any developer can say this. It's ******** to release an app and then 6 months later charge people more money for one new feature. I love the first one, but sure as hell won't pay again for the same ****ing app with search.

jaydaum
Apr 29, 2009, 03:49 PM
I could see why a few people would be pissed but there are also a lot of people who got the app for free when it initially came out including myself. I'm going to get it because the app is worth it especially for the new features.

The way to look at it is that you're not losing any functionality and it is still a great app. I would love the ability to stream video if they make an app for it.

I got a 20,000 song library. Add me: str1f3

--str1f3---
I will send ya invite...I don't have that many songs, but there are a decent collection. name: jaydaum

Anyone else on simplify feel free to add me too!


In response to the overall thread however, the app is great...I know some folks had issues with their routers, but I have most of the people I know setup now and we all share our music...it's great. I spent the $3 because I got the original app for free in its first week of being released.

papiti
Apr 29, 2009, 03:49 PM
True but they have to make money somehow. For all we know they put a lot of time and money into these updates, and they would be loosing money by offering it as a free upgrade to existing owners. I don't mind paying the money, these updates seem worth it.

They are still making money out of it. You are paying for the App. And those who don't have it , have to pay for it. What we are saying is that for those of us that already paid for it, it should just be a free upgrade.:mad:

papiti
Apr 29, 2009, 03:50 PM
EXACTLY... it is a full upgrade. I am sure the code is cleaned up a lot and there is a lot more going on under the hood than just a new search function.

I mean, SCREW ADOBE for coming out with CS4 when I paid for CS3!!!

It's three dollars.

Its not the three dollars, its that we already paid for the Application!!!!:mad:

papiti
Apr 29, 2009, 03:53 PM
why is everyone bitching so much about how updates should be free, its rediculious to have to pay $3 for search? support the company! $3 is nothing! they give you free sharing over pc, and ask 3 bucks for a major upgrade to their already awesome app ... next time you get a meal at mcdonalds, think about how you could have bought this app twice

????McDonalds?????? OK, so you go to McDonalds and buy a Happy meal for say $3.00, and they don't give it to you, and they ask you for three more dollars for them to give it to you, are you gonna get mad or not, I mean, like you said, $3.00 dollars is nothing!!!!!:eek:

papiti
Apr 29, 2009, 03:56 PM
Its great to see an update to the software. The developers of the software do listen to user feedback and implemented features that I requested. Great Job!

WOW, ALL Over you being with the Simplify Media Team. It is soooo obvious!!!!!!!:eek::mad:

Excellerator
Apr 29, 2009, 04:16 PM
Does anyone know where the Simplify Demo is so I can turn it off. It automatically is added with the upgrade and adds a "Brad Sucks" CD to your listings. I can't seem to find it anywhere.

UPDATE: I think its stored on their servers.

rush0
Apr 29, 2009, 04:39 PM
The fact that you paid for the app already doesn't mean anything. You got the app you paid for didn't you?

You don't have to pay for the new version, but the programmers that spent time making it are very fair in asking for compensation.

str1f3
Apr 29, 2009, 04:40 PM
????McDonalds?????? OK, so you go to McDonalds and buy a Happy meal for say $3.00, and they don't give it to you, and they ask you for three more dollars for them to give it to you, are you gonna get mad or not, I mean, like you said, $3.00 dollars is nothing!!!!!:eek:

Hold on a second. Are you saying that when you bought the SimplifyMedia app that they didn't give it to you? Were you not satisfied with the app when you bought it?

I realize that you may be pissed here but this app has been on the app store for well over a year. For a long time the app was free. Do they not have a right to make a 2.0 of a product and charge for the work that they put into it? For $4 you have a lot functionality in the app. For $4 bucks you can stream your entire library anywhere you are without having to configure your router. Last.fm support with lyrics. Chat. Notifications of what others listen to. Most people would have paid $15 or $20 for that functionality. All this while programming for three different OS's.

They even said on their blog: "Unfortunately, given our development costs, we can’t afford to make it a free upgrade on all platforms"

Your app has not changed. It isn't going anywhere. You act as if some stole the money out of your pockets.


BTW they added much more than just search functionality.

hexonxonx
Apr 29, 2009, 04:56 PM
This is just like the idiots who complain because an HD TV season is $59 on iTunes.

People can't expect to get free updates to apps forever. These developers need money too. I think it will be funny when more and more developers do this and people start crying even more.

donlphi
Apr 29, 2009, 04:59 PM
yeah... without the video, I'm not really digging it. I like the features it has so far, and quite frankly, I'm not sure why Apple hasn't integrated this into iPhone already.

What if Simplify Media would allow game developers to install a "mini-client" within the game so you could stream while playing that game. This would help make up for the fact that you can't multitask on the iPhone.

For example, I could be playing Light Bike or Sim City while listening to streamed audio.

Excellerator
Apr 29, 2009, 05:04 PM
Looks like this same discussion is going on on Simplify Media's site...

http://www.simplifymedia.com/blog/?p=68#comment-5671

tlove
Apr 29, 2009, 05:44 PM
I downloaded the original Simplify right when it came out. IT WAS FREE! :)
I don't mind paying 3 bucks to have access to 20,000 songs.

stratmancj
Apr 29, 2009, 05:55 PM
????McDonalds?????? OK, so you go to McDonalds and buy a Happy meal for say $3.00, and they don't give it to you, and they ask you for three more dollars for them to give it to you, are you gonna get mad or not, I mean, like you said, $3.00 dollars is nothing!!!!!:eek:

first, i don't know many people who own iphones who eat happy meals

second, if they take that happy meal and do a major upgrade to it, i'm sure it will be worth $6, like most value meal costs

dukebound85
Apr 29, 2009, 05:59 PM
guys! i have tiger. why isnt leopard free?!!!! its just an update

severe
Apr 29, 2009, 06:51 PM
I don't even use the app very often, after noticing such a drastic difference in audio quality between those files on the iPhone and those streaming from home.

If that issue could be fixed (or even addressed) I'd begin to entertain the thought of paying again, but to pay again for a simple search function, etc, is not worth it to me.

Pass.

kas23
Apr 29, 2009, 08:39 PM
guys! i have tiger. why isnt leopard free?!!!! its just an update

This is totally apple & oranges - what a horrible comparison.

Does Apple make you pay for every 10.5.x upgrade? I see paying for a 10.x upgrade every 1-1.5 years. With Simplify Media's new model, what is going to stop them from charging for every single new update? Are they going to come out with 2.1 in 1 month and charge another $2.99 for it? I know that may be extreme, but there is currently nothing in place to stop them from doing this. You just wait...

cmwade77
Apr 29, 2009, 10:05 PM
I just posted this in the simplify media forum linked above and I think it does a great job at illustrating how I feel about this:


I think that these are great features; however, I think the main problem is that this is called version 2.0, if it were Simplify Music Pro or something like that, I wouldn’t have a problem as it would be clear that this is a different version of the software.

Unfortunately this is being called version 2.0, therefore it is an upgrade and from what I understand of the terms of service, upgrades for applications on the iphone are supposed to be free per Apple’s TOS.

So, is this version 2.0 (aka an upgrade) or is this a new, more sophisticated “PRO” version?

For the record, I got my original one for free and considering the amount that I use this product, I don’t mind paying for it, to support the Developer, but if I have to keep paying for upgrades. then there will be a major problem.

The only other feature I could see creating a new product for (and legitimately being able to charge as a result) is Simplify Music & Video

iPhoneVic
Apr 29, 2009, 10:12 PM
That made absolutely no sense - papiti...LOL, pretty soon we will be paying
for updates to the iPhone software...9.99 for iPhone 3.1.

Excellerator
Apr 29, 2009, 11:24 PM
For those of you that want to remove the "Simplify Demo" user like I did, a new update was released tonight. Damn, that was quick. The iPhone version 2.02 will be out by the end of the week.

http://www.simplifymedia.com/blog/?p=69

wooo
Apr 30, 2009, 01:26 AM
For those of you that want to remove the "Simplify Demo" user like I did, a new update was released tonight. Damn, that was quick. The iPhone version 2.02 will be out by the end of the week.

http://www.simplifymedia.com/blog/?p=69

I kid you not, an earlier version of my app ooTunes Radio was rejected solely for having a button that said "demo". The same day, ars posted this:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/02/app-store-lessons-apple-clarifies-upsell-policy.ars

It totally pissed me off at the time, but maybe it is a good policy to avoid this kind of confusion?

kas23
Apr 30, 2009, 01:27 AM
I just posted this in the simplify media forum linked above and I think it does a great job at illustrating how I feel about this:

I agree with your view. This is indeed an update and in no way warrants an app re-purchase. Thus as an update, they should not be charging. It just does not have any vast improvements in it to be called anything more than an update. By making it a new app, you are stating that it is completely different app - and this is not so. I agree they could if they added video to this app. But, don't worry, that's next (and without a doubt will be another "new" app).

For people saying that the developer has to eat and stuff, developers also have the right to increase the price of their app. But, Simplify Media did the exact opposite. They lowered the price of their app to $0.99 on 4/23, probably leading many people to buy it. These are the people who were cheated out - how were they to know that this app was going to be discontinued 6 days later?

JonathanU
Apr 30, 2009, 06:30 AM
If you don't like it - surely you don't buy the upgrade?

I didn't like the app (although I can't pretend I wasted a whole lot of time trying to figure it out) because it seemed to require that I leave my computer on all the time which, in these environmentally conscious times, ought to be punishable by social exclusion, and possibly the death penalty... ;)

For me, I'm probably going to just delete it. Just my two penneth. Ta.

papiti
Apr 30, 2009, 07:28 AM
That made absolutely no sense - papiti...LOL, pretty soon we will be paying
for updates to the iPhone software...9.99 for iPhone 3.1.

LOL, I Know, LOL:D

Evangelion
Apr 30, 2009, 08:50 AM
Its not the three dollars, its that we already paid for the Application!!!!:mad:

You also paid for OS X, and still Apple expect you to pay for upgrades! Boo!

What a bunch of whiners with inflated sense of entitlement....

Evangelion
Apr 30, 2009, 08:52 AM
This is totally apple & oranges - what a horrible comparison.

It's a perfectly valid comparison

Does Apple make you pay for every 10.5.x upgrade?

They do not charge for bugfix-releases, but they expect you to pay $129 for feature-updates. Why not whine about that? I mean, this version brings feature-updates with it. In OS X-land, this would be a paid update.

camerafan1967
Apr 30, 2009, 09:21 AM
Charging for an update so you can search for songs (a feature the original should have had!)

I'm deleting the App and filing a complaint with Apple.

I recommend that others do the same.

Shame on you!!:mad:

Jelite
Apr 30, 2009, 09:29 AM
That made absolutely no sense - papiti...LOL, pretty soon we will be paying
for updates to the iPhone software...9.99 for iPhone 3.1.

Touch users already are.;)

gloss
Apr 30, 2009, 10:40 AM
You guys are hilarious.

Simplify was offered for free in order to turn people on to the service. It costs these guys money to develop and maintain the program. If you people are so cheap and/or selfish that spending $3 ONCE on an app that you may use constantly is something that you have to create hate threads about, they're probably better off not having you as customers.

????McDonalds?????? OK, so you go to McDonalds and buy a Happy meal for say $3.00, and they don't give it to you, and they ask you for three more dollars for them to give it to you, are you gonna get mad or not, I mean, like you said, $3.00 dollars is nothing!!!!!

No, this is like McDonalds offering a 'free Happy Meal' promotion for a limited time, and then after it ends, people bitching that they no longer get free meals and might actually have to pay for something that they use.

camerafan1967
Apr 30, 2009, 10:45 AM
[QUOTE=gloss;7545371]You guys are hilarious.

Simplify was offered for free in order to turn people on to the service. It costs these guys money to develop and maintain the program. If you people are so cheap and/or selfish that spending $3 ONCE on an app that you may use constantly is something that you have to create hate threads about, they're probably better off not having you as customers.



It was not FREE. It cost $3.99! How is that free?

gloss
Apr 30, 2009, 10:47 AM
It was not FREE. It cost $3.99! How is that free?

I guess they don't study the past tense where you schooled.

It was free. Then it cost money. Then they lowered the cost. Then they released a new version. This is normal behavior. Stop whining.

Buschmaster
Apr 30, 2009, 11:01 AM
I guess they don't study the past tense where you schooled.

It was free. Then it cost money. Then they lowered the cost. Then they released a new version. This is normal behavior. Stop whining.
It must be impossible for these people to buy gas, huh?:)

camerafan1967
Apr 30, 2009, 11:20 AM
I guess they don't study the past tense where you schooled.

It was free. Then it cost money. Then they lowered the cost. Then they released a new version. This is normal behavior. Stop whining.

And I paid $3.99 for it. I don't care if it was FREE in the past! I don't expect to pay another $2.99 for a feature it should have had in the first place!
That's complete bull!

gloss
Apr 30, 2009, 11:28 AM
And I paid $3.99 for it. I don't care if it was FREE in the past! I don't expect to pay another $2.99 for a feature it should have had in the first place!
That's complete bull!

I do agree that people who paid full price for the app in the past, say, week or two should be allowed a free upgrade.

camerafan1967
Apr 30, 2009, 11:32 AM
I do agree that people who paid full price for the app in the past, say, week or two should be allowed a free upgrade.

3 days for me!

BeyondtheTech
Apr 30, 2009, 12:31 PM
I still think that this whole thing may have been averted had they not mentioned "2.0" in their new product name.

First, you never start a new product release with 2.0. It starts with 1.0. If you expand or update upon it, it's still the same product with a new version number.

If it's a different evolution of the product, even if most of the base code is the same (at least change the UI a bit!), then you should have the right to release it as a new product.

Has Simplify said anything about the backlash their receiving over this whole flap?

Nowadays, it's all about reputation - ever since Best Buy and Circuit City screwed me or my friends/family over, I never even set foot in the place again, and rather ordered and gone through the hassle of mailing back an RMA to NewEgg, TigerDirect, and even some no-name website that's probably a mom 'n pop store that's just starting to handle online orders. I and probably several hundred thousand other people believed and did the same thing and that's what made CC go out of business.

If Simplify can make good on this, I'm all ears.

camerafan1967
Apr 30, 2009, 01:00 PM
:rolleyes:Check out the last 20 reviews in the iPhone app store. All negative with 1 star. (that's going from all positive 5 star ratings)

Stupid, stupid stupid!

SuperKat
Apr 30, 2009, 01:41 PM
I tried it out today with no problems. I don't like that we can't play music bought from iTunes but it's a pretty cool app.
Not cool about making people pay for an updated app again though.

gloss
Apr 30, 2009, 01:51 PM
I tried it out today with no problems. I don't like that we can't play music bought from iTunes but it's a pretty cool app.

Blame Apple for that one.

xodlike
Apr 30, 2009, 01:54 PM
I've got a decent sized library - about 7500 songs.

Add me if you'd like

xodlike

BeyondtheTech
Apr 30, 2009, 02:30 PM
Anyone into Israeli (Mizrahi) music? My library has gotten out of control with over 14,000 tracks from CDs my in-laws are piling on me every other week.

gauchogolfer
Apr 30, 2009, 02:42 PM
Until they figure out a way to make it work with the web proxy I have to go through at work I won't purchase the app. I got the original when it was free, and enjoy it on my iPhone, but I'd love to have it at work also.

dukebound85
Apr 30, 2009, 05:13 PM
This is totally apple & oranges - what a horrible comparison.

Does Apple make you pay for every 10.5.x upgrade? I see paying for a 10.x upgrade every 1-1.5 years. With Simplify Media's new model, what is going to stop them from charging for every single new update? Are they going to come out with 2.1 in 1 month and charge another $2.99 for it? I know that may be extreme, but there is currently nothing in place to stop them from doing this. You just wait...

funny, simplifiy media didnt charge for any small updates. only the big one

so yea....the exact same scenario:rolleyes:

kas23
Apr 30, 2009, 06:04 PM
funny, simplifiy media didnt charge for any small updates. only the big one


What "big one" do you speak of? I wouldn't exactly call adding the ability to search a "big one".

I don't think you are grasping the implications of charging for an update, which is the real issue. Exactly what update changes warrant a "new" app? When a developer needs a little extra cash, are they going to just make a "new" app with a few minor changes that otherwise would have been included within a free upgrade?

This is likely also going to lead developers to prematurely release raw, less refined beta versions of apps if they know they will be allowed to charge for upgrades. The more potential upgrades = the more money to be made.

And what about the people (including myself) who just purchased the "original" app days before it was upgraded to "2.0"? They put it on sale to move copies - basically enticing consumers to buy an app that would be obsolete only days later. If I knew it was going to be upgraded in days, I would have just waited and paid the extra money for "2.0". In fact, if I waited, SM would actually have made more money off of me ($0.99 vs $2.99). A more reasonable, honest approach would have been to drop the price of the original version after "2.0" was released (not before).

This is a lesson to people that they should think very hard before purchasing an app (especially ones on sale), because without warning, it very well could be obsolete only days later. You may say the same thing can occur with regular computer applications, but at least people have a good idea what is going to be updated and when.

dukebound85
Apr 30, 2009, 06:06 PM
i know im not a fan of it per say because of how it could be abused. i do think it is warranted in some cases though

kas23
Apr 30, 2009, 06:51 PM
i know im not a fan of it per say because of how it could be abused. i do think it is warranted in some cases though

I agree. I'm not against paying developers for a superior product, but I feel there should be at least some basic "ground rules" on how and how often one can charge for upgrades.

If SM had released "2.0" and then decreased the price of the "original," I would have been fine by this. Or, they could have stated "We are placing this app on sale today, but we are upgrading to an improved version in short while and you will not be eligible to upgrade to this improved version without re-purchasing this new app."

Evangelion
May 1, 2009, 02:53 PM
I agree. I'm not against paying developers for a superior product, but I feel there should be at least some basic "ground rules" on how and how often one can charge for upgrades.

There alreade are ground rules. They are these: Developer can charge for each and every update if he wants to.

I really don't understand where this "all upgrades should be free"-notion comes from... Apple charges for feature-upgrades to OS X, yet no-one whines. And instead of asking for few bucks, they ask for 129 bucks!

What I get from this whining is a sense of entitlement. That is, you feel that you are somehow entitled to free updates. Well, you are not. Adobe does not give you free updates, Apple does not give you free updates (I'm currently thinking of upgrading my installation of Aperture from 1.5 to 2.x, and it costs me 99 bucks to do so).... So what's different this time? Are things different because we are talking about iPhone-apps?

jnguyen4
May 1, 2009, 02:56 PM
There alreade are ground rules. They are these: Developer can charge for each and every update if he wants to.

I really don't understand where this "all upgrades should be free"-notion comes from... Apple charges for feature-upgrades to OS X, yet no-one whines. And instead of asking for few bucks, they ask for 129 bucks!

What I get from this whining is a sense of entitlement. That is, you feel that you are somehow entitled to free updates. Well, you are not. Adobe does not give you free updates, Apple does not give you free updates (I'm currently thinking of upgrading my installation of Aperture from 1.5 to 2.x, and it costs me 99 bucks to do so).... So what's different this time? Are things different because we are talking about iPhone-apps?

well said.

iPhoneVic
May 1, 2009, 05:34 PM
downloaded it to his JB iphone.

IVIr.S3CR3T
May 1, 2009, 11:35 PM
cool

:)

quigleybc
May 2, 2009, 01:06 PM
wow what a bunch of whiners....


i am happy to pay for this app. I got the original for free and i didn't even know they changed it to cost $$. But even if i did pay for the original, i'd still be happy to pay for this.



i think 99.9 % of iPhone apps are crap, and this is one of the only apps that is actually worth money...

******, I'd pay $9.99 for this app.

at least it is useful.

i wish Apple would come out with an Official app like this too.

roscoapp
May 7, 2009, 10:17 AM
Has anyone encountered any problems using the Remote app when Simplify is running in the system tray? Ever since I installed Simplify Media and the app on my iPhone, the Remote app has not worked. I have tried uninstalling everything (on both the phone and computer), then just installing the remote app, and it still does not work.

And, yes the wifi is up and running properly.

Any suggestions?

Thank you all.

Rosco

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PC - Vista Home Premium
Running the latest Itunes / Remote / iPhone software versions

b scott
May 11, 2009, 02:13 PM
um, I don't remember ever paying for the original app. it's a great app that I use every day at work. $3 for an upgrade is nothing.

I like free stuff too, but sometimes I think people are just cheap. It's $3. If the upgrade is worth it, pay it. If not, don't. They're not forcing you to upgrade.

iPhoneNYC
May 11, 2009, 02:51 PM
I downloaded this app hoping to hook my iPhone to another set of speakers in the kitchen while I play from my computer to the living room via Airport. While I can access the music fine it appears that I can't access the exactly what is playing on the other speakers. True? Thanks!! and if so, would Air Tunes work for that?

ZDDP1273
May 18, 2009, 11:10 PM
Is the upgrade to 2.0 really worth it? I already have the original version, and I feel perfectly content with it, but is there really that much more to offer?

golden3159
May 21, 2009, 01:33 AM
You guys think that paid software updates are bad? Just wait until in-app purchasing comes. Prepare to be nickel and dimed to bankruptcy.

hotpace1
May 22, 2009, 12:30 AM
Is the upgrade to 2.0 really worth it? I already have the original version, and I feel perfectly content with it, but is there really that much more to offer?

Certainly worth it for me for the scrub bar fast forward feature alone. I listen to a lot of DJ mixes that are from 1 - 4 hours long and everytime I got a call while one was playing or simply did something else with my phone, I had to start the mix again from scratch which was uber annoying! Now I can just slide the scrub bar straight to where I left off! Marvellous! And the search function is welcome!