So Whats Coming at the Paris Expo [Archive]

saint

Aug 22, 2002, 09:16 PM

I would like to see an Apple digital camera with FireWire and an internal 5GB hard drive. Not sure if it will happen though, especially with the way the economy is at the moment.
I think the iPhone is very unlikely. Apple has a partnership with Sony Ericsson, and they let them advertise the upcoming P800 at MWNY. I think there is more to come from this partnership, but not an Apple branded phone.

But Steve has 1 or 2 hours to fill with his keynote, he has to talk about or introduce something. He can't waste the whole time with more previews of Jaguar, because everyone will already have it by then. Maybe he will just try to convince more people to subscribe to .Mac (I still hate that name).

whfsdude

Aug 22, 2002, 09:46 PM

iBorg :D

Liamcow

Aug 22, 2002, 09:59 PM

maybe he'll just spend the whole keynote smashing PCs with XP logos on the screens:D that would make me happy

ibookin'

Aug 22, 2002, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by saint
I would like to see an Apple digital camera with FireWire and an internal 5GB hard drive.

A 5GB Hard Drive is WAY overkill for a still digital camera and too small for a video camera. Digital stills from a 2.1MP camera take up 1MB or less. Being able to store 5000 photos is unnecessary. An internal drive such as a Microdrive only helps when you are shooting at over 5MP in uncompressed TIFF mode, or when you will be away from a computer for a long period of time. Apple is not touting life without a computer with their Digital Hub concept. Firewire, while nice on professional cameras that take 10-15MB photos, is not necessary on a consumer camera.

I would like an Apple camera, though. We must remember, however, that Apple did make a camera... and a PDA.

Never made a cell phone, though.:D

snoopy

Aug 22, 2002, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by ibookin'@mwny

A 5GB Hard Drive is WAY overkill for a still digital camera and too small for a video camera. Digital stills from a 2.1MP camera take up 1MB or less. Being able to store 5000 photos is unnecessary. ...

I disagree. 5000 photos would be really nice. It could take care of your whole vacation. You may take many more photos too, without running out of space. Delete 90 percent of them when you get back home.

Nipsy

Aug 22, 2002, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by ibookin'@mwny

Firewire, while nice on professional cameras that take 10-15MB photos, is not necessary on a consumer camera.

Yeah, Firewire is also overkill on an MP3 player, because nobody would ever need more that 100 songs in their pocket....

Now, if you chaps will excuse me, I have to change songs on my iPod...

Over Achiever

Aug 23, 2002, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by hippy
There 'WILL' be a new powerbook soon, just look at the apple site, every product except for the powerBook and iBook have been updated to ship with osX10.2 but apparently the PB and iB still ship with 10.1

weird ?????

Oh contrare my friend. I've had a friend have their new pb shipped with 10.2...besides, after 8/24, all powerbooks will have 10.2 included no matter what...i'd be stupid if they didn't

Sept is a tad too soon for an update to either laptops;)...then again, january is a tad too late...hrm:D

hippy

Aug 23, 2002, 02:48 PM

hmmm I still think they have something up their sleeve, I really need to replace my pismo, and it just doesnt make sense not to update those sections of the apple website.

ericb88

Aug 23, 2002, 05:17 PM

I want a midrange labtop! The 17inch imac of labtops....

multifinder

Aug 24, 2002, 01:27 AM

I'll second that--there's a big gap in Apple's line between the iBook and TiBook that a widescreen iBook would fill perfectly.

I really hope Apple updates the iBook soon--I'm looking to replace my 400MHz iMac, but I want the iBook up to at least 800MHz before I can justify spending the money. Macosrumors.com said iBooks with 933MHz and widescreens were coming "January to March" but that seems WAY too long between updates--May '02 to March '03 is just ridiculous. I think if Apple's smart they'll give the iBook at least a speed bump, if not a bigger or higher-res screen, between now and November...

ericb88

Aug 24, 2002, 12:06 PM

Mid range labtop, with 667mhz G4 (powerbook will have been updated) or 1ghz sahara, 32mb video and 13.1inch widescreen for about 1899. Ill take 2.

JSRockit

Aug 24, 2002, 02:17 PM

I'd be satisfied with a 800Mhz G3, 32MB VRAM, and 256MB RAM standard in the iBook for a temporary update at the Apple Expo.

ericb88

Aug 24, 2002, 03:08 PM

That would be great for the ibook, but im talking abotu like a mini tibook.

teabgs

Aug 24, 2002, 04:30 PM

Steve talks for an hour and a half about the Apple Stores...their gonna innovate out of this economic slump.....YAY! the 1.25 FINALLY is shipping(maybe).

Everyone is happy....Oh....let add some new services to .Mac since nobody wants it....

And one more thing....$100 added to all systems...:rolleyes:

seriously though......it'll be a Software fest...I doubt any hardware

tliptak

Aug 24, 2002, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by JSRockit
I'd be satisfied with a 800Mhz G3, 32MB VRAM, and 256MB RAM standard in the iBook for a temporary update at the Apple Expo.

The iBook really need more VRAM 32 should be good like a Radeon Moblity or Nvida cards would be really cool

Rajj

Aug 24, 2002, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by Nipsy

Yeah, Firewire is also overkill on an MP3 player, because nobody would ever need more that 100 songs in their pocket....

Now, if you chaps will excuse me, I have to change songs on my iPod...

What????:confused: Speak for yourself buddy!!! My five Gig iPod is at capacity;) And I take long trips, so I listen to every song!!!:p

snoopy

Aug 24, 2002, 08:06 PM

Will Steve Jobs introduce the G5 in Paris? I've been thinking he would introduce it on October 15, after IBM presents the chip at the Microprocessor Forum, but it could happen in Paris. Certainly we should hear soon. After the October 15 forum, the cat is out of the bag. Everyone will realize that this is the new G5 for Apple. Steve has to say something, or PowerMac sale will grind to a halt, as folks begin to wait for a G5 PowerMac to appear. What would he say? It may be an early look at a workstation grade G5 Mac, meant to run things like Shake and Maya. Customers will then know that G4 PowerMacs are hear to stay much longer. The only ones who wait for the G5 will be those willing to pay a lot more for its outrageous performance.

JSRockit

Aug 24, 2002, 08:26 PM

Believe me...I'd like more than 32MB VRAM, but it isn't going to happen. The TiBook only has 32...and that would have to upped to 64MB VRAM before the iBook would get 32.

My specs for the medium range book idea.

13.1 WideScreen
Ext Optical Drive (SuperDrive)
.90" Thin
1Ghz G4
iBook style case

tjwett

Aug 24, 2002, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by ericb88
I want a midrange labtop! The 17inch imac of labtops....

laptop. the word is laptop. ;)

andyinindy

Aug 25, 2002, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by tjwett

laptop. the word is laptop. ;)

I'm glad that someone set him straight. But wait a moment... what if he works in some kind of Lab... and he needs a computer that could sit atop the others.... a lab top? Heh. Sorry.

I am praying for hardware in Paris. Actually, it seems like a distinct possibility considering the lack of HW at MYNY. I see Powerbooks being updated. I'd LOVE to see the new IBM/Nvidia/Motorola/Intel G5.... or the iPhone, a PDA, or a digicam. Maybe some sort of robot delivery drone... "get me a beer!"... Or perhaps a bluetooth enabled, voice activated iToaster... "lightly toast bagel, check email".

Ugh. I hate speculation. No use in it, really. I have no money to buy any of these cool gadgets, so what's the point?
:(

Computer_Phreak

Aug 26, 2002, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by xrhajj
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Originally posted by Nipsy

Yeah, Firewire is also overkill on an MP3 player, because nobody would ever need more that 100 songs in their pocket....

Now, if you chaps will excuse me, I have to change songs on my iPod...
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What???? Speak for yourself buddy!!! My five Gig iPod is at capacity And I take long trips, so I listen to every song!!!

its called sarcasm :rolleyes:

topicolo

Aug 26, 2002, 06:41 PM

Jobs could just announce a video/still camera addition that would plug into the firewire port of the ipod, giving us the full deal as far as capacity and stuff goes. That would be pretty cool.

dongmin

Aug 26, 2002, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by snoopy

I disagree. 5000 photos would be really nice. It could take care of your whole vacation. You may take many more photos too, without running out of space. Delete 90 percent of them when you get back home.

do you even own a digital camera? Managing photos is NOT like managing mp3s. Even if you had firewire to download all these photos fast into your Mac, you still have to open them up and do some minimal level of processing on them. It would take days, weeks to go through that many images (5000 images = 156 rolls of film). It's just not practical on a daily basis.

I own a 4 mp camera with a 256mb flash card and I've yet to shoot the full capacity (about 120 picts at highest rez jpeg) on any one outing.

Now, if you're throwing VIDEO into the mix, it's a different story.

jaguar451

Aug 26, 2002, 08:06 PM

tliptak

Aug 26, 2002, 08:06 PM

Just some new thing to add to the digital hub would make me happy. I dont care if its and iBorg iPhone iPix iCam whatever.

nemo

Aug 26, 2002, 08:23 PM

My guess is that we'll see a new 19" LCD and/or iCal and iSync. It's still too soon for laptop updates, I'm afraid, and there were some 19" LCD reports a while back. Maybe they're ready by now.

SilvorX

Aug 26, 2002, 09:06 PM

i'dd like to see prices on hardware (including lcd screens) to drop, ive been noticing that for the last 2-3 years, the powermac price has gone up bout $400 or so (CDN) in price for low end model

ThinkDifferent

Aug 26, 2002, 09:53 PM

I would LOVE to see the iBook beefed up! I am waiting to purchase a new portable until I see what comes out at Paris and what debuts in January at Expo. I really wish they would give the iBook SUPER DRIVE so I can burn DVDs too.

Just Wishin'

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Go Mac or Go Home

tliptak

Aug 27, 2002, 08:06 AM

They would put a superdrive in the TiBook a long time before they put one in an iBook

petee

Aug 27, 2002, 08:30 AM

Can you imagine the amount of time it would take to go through and organize/edit that many pics. I don't think that is reasonable or useful. Now if it were a vid camera...

ftaok

Aug 27, 2002, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by tliptak
They would put a superdrive in the TiBook a long time before they put one in an iBook Why does this have to be the case?

They put the combo drive in the iBook way before they put them in the TiBook. That being said, I kinda think they'll put SuperDrives in both the i and the Ti simultaneously (plus a G4 in the iBook).

mnkeybsness

Aug 27, 2002, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by tliptak
They would put a superdrive in the TiBook a long time before they put one in an iBook

except they wouldnot put one in ANY portable...

first of all they have to make the drive small enough

second it can't get too hot

third it can't drain too much power

and fourth...they would have to make it slot-loading for the TI...and to make it slot and small enough is just not going to happen for a long time.

Ambrose Chapel

Aug 27, 2002, 08:53 AM

I agree with nemo - isn't this expo around the time iCal and iSync were slated to be available? I think Steve will announce that they are available or at least announce the date, and then do the usual Jag spiel. I don't expect a new digihub device; it doesn't seem likely that Apple would annouce something like that overseas. I don't mean to slight the non-US expos, but it seems to me that Steve would want to make such an annoucement where lots of US press could easily attend.

But who knows....

primalman

Aug 27, 2002, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by dongmin

do you even own a digital camera? Managing photos is NOT like managing mp3s. Even if you had firewire to download all these photos fast into your Mac, you still have to open them up and do some minimal level of processing on them. It would take days, weeks to go through that many images (5000 images = 156 rolls of film). It's just not practical on a daily basis.

I own a 4 mp camera with a 256mb flash card and I've yet to shoot the full capacity (about 120 picts at highest rez jpeg) on any one outing.

Now, if you're throwing VIDEO into the mix, it's a different story.

But what if this new Apple DC was a 5-6 mp camera, had the 5 gb storage and FW, and you use iPhoto? And the camera chunked up the mnay images into 'rolls' of like 30-50 images, then iPhoto could zip those in and they are already organized. Think if the camera allowed you to name the rolls at shooting? like' Rome 1' or 'Rollercoaster'.

Or better yet, rather than the 5 gb drive that would take up much space inthe body, and since the camera needs a little more space for the imaging electronics and optics than the iPod needs for sound [educated guessing], how about an internal 1 gb microdrive, like IBM has? 5 mp, 750-1000 pics, FW for speeedy downloads and iPhoto for organizing. Sounds great to me!!!!

:)

Moxiemike

Aug 27, 2002, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by primalman

But what if this new Apple DC was a 5-6 mp camera, had the 5 gb storage and FW, and you use iPhoto? And the camera chunked up the mnay images into 'rolls' of like 30-50 images, then iPhoto could zip those in and they are already organized. Think if the camera allowed you to name the rolls at shooting? like' Rome 1' or 'Rollercoaster'.

Or better yet, rather than the 5 gb drive that would take up much space inthe body, and since the camera needs a little more space for the imaging electronics and optics than the iPod needs for sound [educated guessing], how about an internal 1 gb microdrive, like IBM has? 5 mp, 750-1000 pics, FW for speeedy downloads and iPhoto for organizing. Sounds great to me!!!!

:)

If they'd ever do a digital camera, I would place bets on them teaming up with minolta. Anyone who reads minolta boards knows the DiMage X is now offered by Apple Japan in "snow" colors to match iMacs and iBooks.

http://store.apple.com/0120-APPLE-1/WebObjects/japanstore.woa/874/wo/8Sj3w0rz3zu2MRDhbu/3.3.0.3.34.8

gosh, that pic stinks... alldimage.com has images if you so care.

I highly doubt apple will go into the 5-6MP prosumer camera range, and i think they'd be foolish to try and compete with nikon or canon for high end digital cameras.... so I think maybe another iteration of this DiMage X with firewire, and an update to the iPod where you can browse files would be the way to go.

Plus, iPhoto is in need of an update. Try iMediaViewPro and see how iPhoto should function. Man, get over 300 pics at 5mp and watch iPhoto cripple even a dual gig machine.

Yuck.

So i think there's MAJOR work for Apple to do if they're gonna jump into the digicam realm, and quite frankly, I think the market is saturated. Same as PDAs and cell phones. There are SO MANY good options out there, whereas in the mp3 realm, there were so many crappy options-- until iPod.

Just my .02.... they'll maybe brand a DiMage as the "preferred" apple cam... or nothing at all.

snoopy

Aug 27, 2002, 03:50 PM

Some are not expecting much, since the expo is not in the USA, but I think there's a good chance something significant will be announced. It is a way of showing that the whole world is significant to Apple, not just the country when headquarters is located.

Liamcow

Aug 27, 2002, 07:05 PM

steve should do a switch ad in which he trys importing 300 pics into a PC version of iPhoto..."as you can see all we do is click import and, whoops! what's this blue screen doing here? I want my photos!!!"
"switch, it works":D

tliptak

Aug 27, 2002, 08:20 PM

They need to release something just something. Mabye they they should make a 1 gig hard drive in there DC. Just and idea.

tliptak

Aug 27, 2002, 08:30 PM

Just something anything please Steve you can do it.

tliptak

Aug 28, 2002, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by Ambrose Chapel
I agree with nemo - isn't this expo around the time iCal and iSync were slated to be available? I think Steve will announce that they are available or at least announce the date, and then do the usual Jag spiel. I don't expect a new digihub device; it doesn't seem likely that Apple would annouce something like that overseas. I don't mean to slight the non-US expos, but it seems to me that Steve would want to make such an annoucement where lots of US press could easily attend.

But who knows....

He won't spend two hours talking about iCal and iSync and Jaguar i mean it came out already and theres no need to make a big deal about an update mabye 10.2.1. He has to anounce something new. They might have also updated the tiBook it hasn't been updated for a while. Some web sites say it will and some say it won't?

snoopy

Aug 28, 2002, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by tliptak

He won't spend two hours talking about iCal and iSync and Jaguar i mean it came out already ... He has to anounce something new. ...

I wonder whether Steve Jobs usually does the keynote outside the US Macworld shows? If not, than it is significant that he is doing it in Paris. This would suggest an annoncement of something new. Someone else pointed out that there is a US conference with Apple keynote 10 hours after Steves. This is also interesting. Maybe something big, with followup 10 hours later? What might be big and have an impact on the second conference?

jelloshotsrule

Aug 28, 2002, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Nipsy

Yeah, Firewire is also overkill on an MP3 player, because nobody would ever need more that 100 songs in their pocket....

Now, if you chaps will excuse me, I have to change songs on my iPod...

i agree

firewire on a digital camera would be big... my dad's minolta (5 mp) has pictures that are about 15-20 megs.

transferring that via usb is ass.. of course, that's the higher level cam, but still... i don't expect apple to make this camera, but in general, i'd like to see a digital cam with firewire

and a bigger capacity. 5 gb is a bit much perhaps... but if it also can operate as an external drive, no problems with me having some extra space

flanders

Aug 28, 2002, 01:09 PM

i'm kinda 50/50 on whether he's going to announce something big at the show in Paris. He's given the keynote there before, and I'm fairly certain that some new hardware has been unveiled there in the past (please correct if I'm wrong)...

makkystyle

Aug 28, 2002, 02:19 PM

POWERBOOKS

edesignuk

Aug 28, 2002, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by makkystyle
POWERBOOKS
I REALLY HOPE Y'LL RIGHT ;) :D

djniche

Aug 28, 2002, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by snoopy

I disagree. 5000 photos would be really nice. It could take care of your whole vacation. You may take many more photos too, without running out of space. Delete 90 percent of them when you get back home.

Yup 5 gigs on a camera would be great - no problems with taking as many high res pictures as you like. With easy usage as the ipod. Would be great and I would buy it - no doubt!