So my boss just got a PSP...

[edesignuk]

...which he paid through the teeth for! PSP:£340, Ridge Racer:£45, Petrol for a 100 mile round trip to collect it!

But I tell you what, it's freakin' amazing! You have to see it to believe just how good it is!

I want one...bad!

[iGav]

...which he paid through the teeth for! PSP:£340, Ridge Racer:£45, Petrol for a 100 mile round trip to collect it!

But I tell you what, it's freakin' amazing! You have to see it to believe just how good it is!

I want one...bad!


I know they are rather spiffy aren' they... :)

Anyone that buys a DS over a PSP needs their head examining...

[brap]

I want one...bad!
Yeah. They have a couple on display in various shops round 'ere, bloody awesome. I'll end up buying one just for the new Wipeout... :rolleyes:

[edesignuk]

Anyone that buys a DS over a PSP needs their head examining...
I really can't understand how ANYONE could buy a DS over a PSP. The PSP is just stunning.

[SilentPanda]

Hey! I just bought a DS on Wednesday and I'm quite happy with it. I might end up with a PSP too but... it can't hurt to have a few systems right? :D

I quite like my DS.

[5300cs]

A guy I know got a PSP, but the left shoulder button stuck sometimes so he returned it and got his money back. There's talk of it being a design flaw. Has anyone else heard this?

PSPs were sold out, yet there were plenty of DSs left :p

[urban1985_]

I think the DS is original, but it seems like the touch screen is only a novelty. I can't see how this will revolutionize gaming. I still like staring at one screen only.

I can't wait for the PSP, I most likely won't be able to afford it when it comes out here, but I'll still want it haha. I hear its screen is phenomenal.

There's a great review for the PS2 on here

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000510024287/

[edesignuk]

There's a great review for the PS2 on here

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000510024287/
hehe, my boss and all of us were all reading through this yesterday afternoon after he won the PSP on eBay :D

[iGav]

I think the DS is original,

nah... it's just a retrorehash of the old Nintendo Donkey Kong games... :p

[Capt Underpants]

I just bought a freakin DS, and now I want a PSP! Why can't technology stagnate so the latest hardware lasts years? How I hate thee, Sony... and Nintendo, for making an inferior product...

[iGav]

I just bought a freakin DS, and now I want a PSP! Why can't technology stagnate so the latest hardware lasts years? How I hate thee, Sony... and Nintendo, for making an inferior product...

it's not like the PSP sprung out of a big birthday cake.... :p

[Capt Underpants]

it's not like the PSP sprung out of a big birthday cake.... :p

You could atleast console me about my HORRIBLE DECISION!!!

;) :(

[zelmo]

Yeah. They have a couple on display in various shops round 'ere, bloody awesome. I'll end up buying one just for the new Wipeout... :rolleyes:

Heck yeah! Love me some Wipeout.

I'd love to grab a DS, but I can't see spending the cash for the system and a couple of games, when I know it's only going to collect dust once the PSP is out.

[FightTheFuture]

i would wait for more reviews and updates before picking one of these up. maybe wait a year into the lifecycle. most systems get a major fixup upon updates. it should go down in price by then too. if this thing really only runs for 3 hours though - there are going to be a lot of PO'ed people.

[iGav]

You could atleast console me about my HORRIBLE DECISION!!!

or I could point you in the direction of eBay to sell it... ;)

seriously though... the best option would be to own both a DS and a PSP ;)

[edesignuk]

i would wait for more reviews and updates before picking one of these up. maybe wait a year into the lifecycle. most systems get a major fixup upon updates. it should go down in price by then too. if this thing really only runs for 3 hours though - there are going to be a lot of PO'ed people.
On a full charge it says it has 5 1/2hrs battery. I'll have to ask my boss how it goes.

[combatcolin]

Mate got himself a DS for xmas and i'm very impressed with it.

As much as i love Sony kit i HATE the playstation, too many crap games, and theres been too much bad news about the battery life on the PSP.

The PSP needs to be cheap with a god battery life to succed, at the moment it dosn't have either.

Still want a fiddle with one though. ;)

[iGav]

As much as i love Sony kit i HATE the playstation, too many crap games

:confused: :confused: :confused: and lots of good ones as well... hardly the Playstations fault though is it? a similar argument could be levelled at both the GameCube and the XBox as well, except that they don't have lot's of crap games because they don't have many games in the first place. heheheh


The PSP needs to be cheap with a god battery life to succed, at the moment it dosn't have either.

What is it with people and stuff being cheap...? things don't have to be cheap at all to succeed.

The battery life is a compromise though... but judging by how bad the DS's graphics are, I'm not surprised it's got good battery life. :p

[devwild]

I think the DS is original, but it seems like the touch screen is only a novelty. I can't see how this will revolutionize gaming. I still like staring at one screen only.

You know, I thought so too, but I ended up with a DS despite my lack of interest in it (and still twiddling my thumbs for games I actually want like mario kart), but the touch screen is actually pretty impressive in it's usefulness. The most surprising thing to me was the playability of metroid prime. I would never have imagined being able to actually aim worth beans in a first person shooter on a handheld. Using the strap with the thumb cap (not the stylus), it feels absolutely natural.

I could honestly see the control scheme being used on consoles in the future for first person shooters like Halo and 007 in some fashion. It still doesn't replace a mouse, but it's better than a D-pad in at least some ways.

I think the DS will hold it's market pretty well, and it has sold extremely well so far. The PSP is high priced, fragile (lots of button, analog pad, and door problems already, and an unprotected screen), and bloated with features the money end of the market (young kids) don't use as much. The DS is at a suprisingly appropriate price point, extremely durable despite it's new features (nintendo handhelds are *intentionally* larger than they need be), was first to market, and has some great expansion options down the road... including audio and video playback.

Honestly I think the PSP will make a bigger dent in the portable media market, which has a bunch of marginally functional HD players at the moment, than in Nintendo's camp. Anybody I know willing to lay down the cash on a PSP already has a DS or is planning on getting one soon.

What I don't understand is how Sony expects to sell pre-recorded movies on UMD. It's the same stupid mistake they made with pre-recorded minidiscs, and just like the minidisc, if they instead make recording hardware available and easy to use, they will find their success there with people recording video for later use, not with asking them to buy a second copy of a movie they already own on DVD to watch on a tiny screen.

[edesignuk]

What I don't understand is how Sony expects to sell pre-recorded movies on UMD. It's the same stupid mistake they made with pre-recorded minidiscs, and just like the minidisc, if they instead make recording hardware available and easy to use, they will find their success there with people recording video for later use, not with asking them to buy a second copy of a movie they already own on DVD to watch on a tiny screen.
I agree with you there. Who in their right mind will buy anything other than games on UMD format :confused: :rolleyes:

[devwild]

:confused: :confused: :confused: and lots of good ones as well... hardly the Playstations fault though is it? a similar argument could be levelled at both the GameCube and the XBox as well, except that they don't have lot's of crap games because they don't have many games in the first place. heheheh

My personal problem with the playstation, I own both a PS2 and XBOX, and almost any game I am interested in these days is on both. And any game that is available on both, looks far better on the XBOX both because of hardware, and because the XBOX has far better progressive scan and HDTV support (except for DVD playback, where the newer PS2s are actually better). So my PS2 is relegated to games only on it, like Final Fantasy.

Now, with the PS3, this may very likely reverse, as the PS3 might be newer hardware than the XBOX 2, leaving the XBOX 2 only useful for Halo 3.

*shrug*, We'll see.

[stvli]

As they say don't judge a book buy its cover... http://nfg.2y.net/games/psp/ PSPs are very nice looking but when it comes to other things, oh dear.

DS Rules hands down! Talk to your mates wirelessly, can play movies music... not to mention the cool games! It also has one of the most innovative control systems ever! Nintendo are like Apple only for consoles/handhelds! :cool:

[Phobophobia]

The DS brings new things to the table, the PSP is merely a copy of the PS2--a much more expensive copy that you need to buy new games for, btw.

[zelmo]

I agree with you there. Who in their right mind will buy anything other than games on UMD format :confused: :rolleyes:

pr0n? :rolleyes: :D

[Capt Underpants]

pr0n? :rolleyes: :D

If sony introduced pr0n for the PSP, parents would flip!

[pseudobrit]

I can't wait to download a copy of PSP off P2P

[Nermal]

My cousin has a PSP and loves it. Last I heard he was trying to figure out how to copy movies onto it :)

[Devie]

PSPs were sold out, yet there were plenty of DSs left :p
200,000 PSP's sold
over 1.5 million DS' sold

[ZildjianKX]

I've been a huge Nintendo fan ever since I was a kid, from NES, SNES, gameboy, virtual boy, N64, gamecube...

There are only two Nintendo systems I've never bought, gameboy color and the Nintendo DS. I felt the gameboy color was just a novelty to beat off their competitors until the GBA came out (which it was) and the Nintendo DS is exactly the same thing (Nintendo even said it's not the successor to the GBA). Like the GBC, it's popularity will probably keep it going for awhile until the GBA 2 comes out.

With all that said, I have my PSP preordered. Do youreslves a favor and skip the value pack, got some horrible reviews from IGN.

[risc]

...which he paid through the teeth for! PSP:£340, Ridge Racer:£45, Petrol for a 100 mile round trip to collect it!

But I tell you what, it's freakin' amazing! You have to see it to believe just how good it is!

I want one...bad!

That's fantastic news, I have a Sony PSP currently in transit from Hong Kong I was a bit worried after all of the negatve stuff I'd heard. Shouldn't be too long now and I'll have it in my hands! I can't wait!

I've got a Japanese DS (good old Australia we have no new portables) it's a great console too, but the PSP just seems to be so much nicer, it seems like a console for adults, while the DS seems to be for kids imho. God bless the kids games though, Nintendo hurry up and release Mario Kart DS!

[FightTheFuture]

If sony introduced pr0n for the PSP, parents would flip!
thats a pretty good idea. watch some pr0n while waiting for your laundry or an oil change.

though i haven't played either next gen handhelds yet - one thing thats certain - is that its good for nintendo to finally have some real competition. i can't remember people getting this pysched about game gear or neo geo pocket. in a time where microsoft is picking up exclusives and EA is stealing away liscenses, its refreshing.

[applekid]

My cousin has a PSP and loves it. Last I heard he was trying to figure out how to copy movies onto it :)

Can't you use a memory stick for that?

[pgc6000]

I don't really want the PSP unless some game comes out for it, and it only that I want. I don't even want the DS! It hasn't build up a large enough libiary.

Also, the Gamecube and Xbox have plenty of games. Besides, why would I want a lame console that has tons of games but are all crap? I would rather spend nothing and come out with nothing then waste cash on something that is pure junk. The only good games PS2 has are the RE series (which is available to the cube) and the MoH: Series (which is available to all 3 of them) It has some other good games, but again they are usally avalable to another system. (I own Xbox and Gamecube)

[Jalexster]

You know, I liked MacRumors up until this thread. I HATE YOU ALL! Because you support the PSP, even though it is crap. ALL HAIL THE DS!

[neoelectronaut]

A Reality Check. (http://www.nintendonow.com/index.php?categoryid=5&m_articles_articleid=1796)

[Jalexster]

A Reality Check. (http://www.nintendonow.com/index.php?categoryid=5&m_articles_articleid=1796)

I have someone on ym side. PEOPLE MUST KNOW THE TRUTH! It's a Sony, it's built like crap!

[Sol]

The PSP sounds impressive in writing but it is not half as compelling as the Nintendo DS. Sony have made a few mistakes in the design.

The UMD disc is not a good format for a hand-held system. The last thing I want on a hand-held system is loading times. The format will also encourage a lot of developers to fill their games with cut-scenes that add nothing to their games since most players skip them. It will also use a lot of power to load data.

The screen may have a great resolution but that makes the unit bigger than other portable devices. With more of them on the screen, there is a higher risk of dead-pixels appearing and a few cases of this has allready been reported. Bigger screen also means bigger power drain.

As for the 3D capabilities, most casual gamers do not care. The gameplay experience is not improved by throwing more polygons into a game. The more impressive 3D engines will also drain the battery quicker.

The Nintendo DS will dominate the portable games market and Sony will learn a very expensive lesson from the experience. PSP will impress the segment of the games market who upgrade their graphics cards every six months but for everyone else the Nintendo DS will be the new must-have.

[lordmac]

Well I have had a playstation 2 for upwards of 2 years now and I haven't had a single problem. As for gamecube come on people it probably doesn't have half the library of the playstation 2. Now im not saying that the gamecube is a badly built system, in fact I think in is an excellently designed system( except the controllers, im afraid that those are some of the worst controllers ever made by man, soooooo bad grr.) As the problem that gamecube had was lack of third party support. As for the xbox how can anyone blame ps2 for not being as powerful as the xbox when it had been released more then a year earlier and Microsoft takes the biggest hit by far then sony or nintendo, I think when they were first released it cost Microsoft nearly twice as much as they were selling them to make them. Also as I remember the first xbox's that were produced had many problem similar to the psp's problems. In fact I don't think I know anyone who still has a functioning xbox from the very first production line. Also the xbox isn't exactly a space saver either, I mean now with the slim ps2's out you could probably get 3 ps2's in the same space as an xbox. Also for those complaining that the psp's isn't original then look at the xbox, all it is a pentuim 3, a good graphics card and an hard-drive along with a special OS.
As for the DS I think that nintendo is trying to market it a wider audience then sony who I don't think are trying to market to younger kids but rather teens and up. Not that it's a bad thing after all the kids need there video games too. Plus come on you guys you got to admit the psp is a lot sexier then the DS weather the it's design is practical or not. Plus im sorry but the DS's screens would be horrible to watch movies on compared to the psp's. Though that mario 64 is oh so tempting, im gonna wait tell I have tried both of them before I buy one.

Also im ashamed of the mac community for advocating the xbox, a Microsoft product so heavily. I mean do you really want Microsoft to own the console market to.
Also is it just me or is it just a little bit biased that the spell checker know Microsoft and sony but nintendo, also it wants me to capitalize Microsoft too, and not sony.

wow sry for such a long reply I didn't realize how long it was until the end.
Also please don't fact-check me because since im writing this at 4 am I didn't feel like making sure everything i said was exactly true.
:cool: :D :)

[lordmac]

Also edesignuk I just finished watching King Arthur and man did I enjoy watching Kira killing people. She is one good looking girl. But back to the ds vs psp thing. :D

[Devie]

I personally cant wait for the DS to finally reach Australia, from what I've read and seen its one kick ass system.
The PSP, to me, is just so... so the same. I've got all three consoles and a SP, and the PS2 is gathering the dust. The games that come out are always the same (generally speaking) ofcourse for a select few (Katamari Damacy) are actually original.
I'm also completly sick of Sony's crappy products. I am looking into a Sony CRT monitor now that ticks, and has weird colouration problems. My PS2 broke about a month after I bought it on release (I unfortuantly, got caught up in Sony's damn hype machine, this is not going to happen again), and it took Sony TWO months before they finally sent me a new one. I sent it off to them all up about... six times, each time came back in a worse state.
Just dont get caught up in the hype machine of Sony, people. You will be dissapointed, they are amazing advertisers.

[Chaszmyr]

On a full charge it says it has 5 1/2hrs battery. I'll have to ask my boss how it goes.

I doubt it will really get that consistently... but if it doesn't, thats kinda bad.


Also edesignuk I just finished watching King Arthur and man did I enjoy watching Kira killing people. She is one good looking girl. But back to the ds vs psp thing. :D

Keira is a better subject of conversation anyway, this is just the wrong thread for it :p

[brap]

<snip>
Also im ashamed of the mac community for advocating the xbox, a Microsoft product so heavily.
<snip>
People are so frickin' partisan. If MS made a good product, I'd buy it. If Nintendo brought something out which kicked hiney, I'd buy that. nVidia? ATi? It's all the same.

There is so much partisan bull in this thread (and in Macintosh/PC/et al communities as a whole), and for no discernible reason. Am I the only person who weighs up pros, cons, and gets what's right for me, as opposed to sticking with a brand Thru' Hell or High Water?

OK, That was a fully rhetorical question. I know it's human nature. But humans suck.

[Devie]

People are so frickin' partisan. If MS made a good product, I'd buy it. If Nintendo brought something out which kicked hiney, I'd buy that. nVidia? ATi? It's all the same.

There is so much partisan bull in this thread (and in Macintosh/PC/et al communities as a whole), and for no discernible reason. Am I the only person who weighs up pros, cons, and gets what's right for me, as opposed to sticking with a brand Thru' Hell or High Water?

OK, That was a fully rhetorical question. I know it's human nature. But humans suck.
I agree somewhat but you do get personal experience from one brand that does burn you from ever buying another one from them.
I know for sure that I will never buy a Dell laptop, not because its Windows, but because my step dad has one, and its shocking (and cost him the price of a 17" Powerbook).

[pgc6000]

A Reality Check. (http://www.nintendonow.com/index.php?categoryid=5&m_articles_articleid=1796)
Thank you! I still don't know why the PS2 is the most popular system.

lordmac-I would be willing to sacarfice some space with the Xbox and have GOOD games then buy a crappy PS2.

[ZombieChef]

I own a DS an am extremely pleased with it.
As for the PS2, I own one and I must say that I never play it anymore. About half a year after I bought it I realized that I didn't really enjoy playing the games on it. It is now broken, I don;t know how because it just sits in a TV cabinet all day, and I never use it. Another of my friends had the exact same experiance with his PS2. Broken and never used. He bought Gamecube after that and I must say that it is a much better system. It seems much more durable and the games are way better.
By the way,people who say that Nintendo is for kids are crazy. Just because the graphics are bright and colorful doesn't mean a teenager, like myself, can't enjoy them.
In conclusion, buy a DS. The PS2 sucks, and although I have yet to see a PSP in person yet my experiance with Sony consoles has soured me on them forever.

[edesignuk]

Oh man, just found I can get a PSP for £227 (http://www.lik-sang.com), so tempting...now, do I tell my boss he just paid £100 too much?? :D

[neoelectronaut]

Plus im sorry but the DS's screens would be horrible to watch movies on compared to the psp's.

Why the hell would you want to watch movies on EITHER screen? :confused:

[Daveway]

My boss got me MS Office X. But, that amounts nothing to o' powrful edesigns PSP. I don't plan on getting one. They cost too much and i'm happily satisfied with my xbox.

[killmoms]

No other console besides PS2 has ICO or Fumito Ueda's upcoming game, Wanda and the Colossus. Without these two games all other consoles FAIL, as ICO is the best game ever made, and Wanda looks to be an excellent (indirect) sequel.

Though Pikmin and Pikmin 2 for Gamecube are pretty fun.

What does XBox have? Halo? That game sucked. So did Halo 2. When the XBox has a decent RPG library let me know.

[combatcolin]

Weird that the build quality on the PS2 is just so poor, while other Sony kit soldiers on for years and years.

Build quality on Ninendo hardware has always been nuclear proof.

[edesignuk]

What does XBox have? Halo? That game sucked. So did Halo 2. When the XBox has a decent RPG library let me know.
Right, of course they do. That's why so many people bought an xbox just to play Halo :rolleyes:

[lordmac]

What does XBox have? Halo? That game sucked. So did Halo 2. When the XBox has a decent RPG library let me know.

I wouldn't say so, Halo and its sequal I find to be quite excellent. Though the fatc of the matter is I enjoy playing it on the computer then on xbox. Im just so much better with a mouse and keyboard then controlers when it comes to first person shooters. Hope they don't wait so long to relese halo 2 on computer as they did the first. I also hope it has a way more efficent engine because halo ones engine for computer was a real hog compared to others.

just my thoughts :)

[combatcolin]

xBox Outrun 2 is a huge amount of fun and harks back to days when "arcade perfect" was the holy grail of video gaming.

Now to settle the DS vs PSP argument, the DS has only one other piece of competion, The GBA, - the PSP, however will have to fight agaist the iPod for the high end consumer portable entertaiment device.

[edesignuk]

the PSP, however will have to fight agaist the iPod for the high end consumer portable entertaiment device.No way. Yes, they're both high end devices, but they are not in the same market. The iPod will never match the PSP for games/media. And the PSP will never match the iPod for Music.

[neoelectronaut]

Well, most of the good games that are available on the PS2 are also available on the XBox. So, there are some good third-party titles available...mostly the same stuff you'd get for a PS2 or GCN.

[AliensAreFuzzy]

Right, of course they do. That's why so many people bought an xbox just to play Halo :rolleyes:
I know I did.

[pgc6000]

I'm sorry, not all of us are obsessed with RPGs. Halo and Halo 2 were amazing games (well maybe not so much Halo 2, but it was still great). Why would people of pre-order 1.9 million copies of Halo 2 if it were crappy? Of course, those are just my thoughts...Xbox has some very nice titles. They are just not RPGs.

[Koree]

I like my DS and waht games taht are coming out for it. But i also look forward to eventualy getting a PSP.

I currently only have Mario 64 for my DS along with the demo of metroid prime (it stands it own in being worth buying a DS, and i mean the demo if you have a few friends to play with) I look foward to dynasty warriors (great game, lots of repetitiveness, but fun and i don't know why :D) Also the old GBA games are fun. (metroid fusion is great!) I think the touch pad is really good idea (as long as games don't get too dependent on them... like that yoshi game...) The touch pad makes it really good for FPS games as some other have mentioned.

PSP look great for RPG games but not nesecarily for action games. But dynasty warriors will be avalable for both. And so will quite a few other games.

[Kingsnapped]

I love my DS.. I just wish some more games would hit the shelf.

Koree: Get "Feel the Magic XX/XY" if you like quirky Japanese stuff. It's a lot of fun. I'm living with just the two games you mentioned, and picked up FTM today. I'm glad I have something new to play, after getting all the stars in Mario (again).

[applekid]

Well, it's still a little early for me to root for either handheld yet. But, my impression is the DS a better handheld.

The PSP has too many extra non-gaming features I don't need. And, I don't like the idea of using Memory Sticks for their PSP. The PSP is the only reason you really need Memory Sticks. I just avoid Sony digital cameras and whatever else needs Memory Sticks. I really don't need an MP3 player; got my iPod. Don't need a movie player on a pretty small screen (and you'll have to re-buy your movies since it requires the UMDs). And, I don't like UMDs and Memory Stick combination. A cartridge is better for handhelds because it saves right to the cartridge, not another memory card. Less luggage. 5.5 hours is the average I'm hearing for battery life. Trust me, when you're on long trips or need to kill some time, a handheld that doesn't require a battery change/charge every 6 hours is required. 10 hours is minimum for me.

But, the screen is nice and wide. It's also very bright and sharp from what I've read. The graphics quality seems to be slightly better off than the DS.

The DS looks like it might be a little big and bulky. The touch screen can go either way. If third party support sucks and just can't take advantage of the touch screen, there will be trouble. Nintendo showed some fancy demos at E3 utilizing the touch screen. Games should reach that quality if the DS is to be successful. The battery should be user-replaceable. It just reeks of the iPod's battery "predicament." I'll bet there'll be some different colors the DS will come in soon enough. The GBA and GBA SP were ridiculously successful. Nintendo is going to have to match that kind of success to declare victory for its third pillar.

If I was developing for the DS, I'd be forcing you to all buy one! :) I have some great ideas for utilizing the touch screen and the mic, but I doubt I'll ever get a chance to develop for such a unique system. It's really innovative, but it seems many game companies are all in for a fast buck instead of making quality games these days.

[killmoms]

Right, of course they do. That's why so many people bought an xbox just to play Halo :rolleyes:
So there's a lot of morons in this world—you're not telling me anything I don't know. Halo would've been good if it hadn't gone through two gameplay permutations, an engine overhaul, and a rushed release by Microsoft. The second half of the single player campaign was the first half backwards! And to add insult to injury, they release a half-baked port FAR later than they should've, with an engine that ran slow as molasses on all but the fastest PCs (and even then not particularly impressively). That alone ruins any good quality it might have.

Halo 2, similarly, was a minor graphics upgrade with an incomplete story, completely undeserving of the hype it got. Gaming magazines fellate the series because they know it'll sell issues. Half-Life 2 is a far better game in the FPS category. Of course, at this point there's enough slavering Halo fanboys that Bungie can milk the series just about forever, which is good for them from a profit standpoint, bad for gaming from a quality standpoint.

The point stands that ICO is the best game ever made, a pure, undiluted piece of art in video gaming.

[combatcolin]

That no one bought.

Simple as that.

[thejazzman10]

It's funny how people claim the DS to be kiddy, when the PSP has games like mahjong :rolleyes:

[applekid]

It's funny how people claim the DS to be kiddy, when the PSP has games like mahjong :rolleyes:

Because you know Mahjong is a real man's game :D

I also wanted to add, neither handheld has a killer app to seal any deal. Nintendo has its franchises, and if they play their cards right, they can keep competitors out of the competition for another decade. It's time to stop the rehashes of their many games. I think we've seen everything from the NES/SNES days on the GBA. Time for the DS to take a step up and bring in brand new games. Sony has some promising franchises they can bring out, but I don't like how the Metal Gear Solid franchise has been ruined (or at least it sure looks like it). If that's a sign of things to come, I'm not too enthusiastic. And if it's RPGs that saves the PSP, so be it, but that'll definitely be turn off for me.

Unless it's Pokemon... ;) I could go for another Pokemon on the DS. But, it'll have to be a bigger step up than going from Red/Blue/Yellow to Ruby/Sapphire (I didn't feel they improved on the design much). There's so much they could do with Pokemon, but it's a question of will they.

[Jovian9]

You know, I thought so too, but I ended up with a DS despite my lack of interest in it (and still twiddling my thumbs for games I actually want like mario kart), but the touch screen is actually pretty impressive in it's usefulness. The most surprising thing to me was the playability of metroid prime. I would never have imagined being able to actually aim worth beans in a first person shooter on a handheld. Using the strap with the thumb cap (not the stylus), it feels absolutely natural.

I could honestly see the control scheme being used on consoles in the future for first person shooters like Halo and 007 in some fashion. It still doesn't replace a mouse, but it's better than a D-pad in at least some ways.

I think the DS will hold it's market pretty well, and it has sold extremely well so far. The PSP is high priced, fragile (lots of button, analog pad, and door problems already, and an unprotected screen), and bloated with features the money end of the market (young kids) don't use as much. The DS is at a suprisingly appropriate price point, extremely durable despite it's new features (nintendo handhelds are *intentionally* larger than they need be), was first to market, and has some great expansion options down the road... including audio and video playback.

Honestly I think the PSP will make a bigger dent in the portable media market, which has a bunch of marginally functional HD players at the moment, than in Nintendo's camp. Anybody I know willing to lay down the cash on a PSP already has a DS or is planning on getting one soon.

What I don't understand is how Sony expects to sell pre-recorded movies on UMD. It's the same stupid mistake they made with pre-recorded minidiscs, and just like the minidisc, if they instead make recording hardware available and easy to use, they will find their success there with people recording video for later use, not with asking them to buy a second copy of a movie they already own on DVD to watch on a tiny screen.

I agree with all the above. My wife bought me a DS for Christmas. I've been having loads of fun playing Super Mario 1-3 and Super Mario 4, Castlevania, A Link to the Past, Metroid Demo, and Asphalt. I've cleared 4 of these games and played them all quite a bit and have only charged my DS 1X (and we opened presents to each other on Wednesday the 22nd). That's 11 days and it has only been charged 1X and I've used it every day but New Year's Eve. Impressive battery life.

[risc]

My PSP has just arrived in Australia, 2 days wait until I can have it. Damn this public holiday on Monday!

[pgc6000]

So there's a lot of morons in this world—you're not telling me anything I don't know. Halo would've been good if it hadn't gone through two gameplay permutations, an engine overhaul, and a rushed release by Microsoft. The second half of the single player campaign was the first half backwards! And to add insult to injury, they release a half-baked port FAR later than they should've, with an engine that ran slow as molasses on all but the fastest PCs (and even then not particularly impressively). That alone ruins any good quality it might have.

Halo 2, similarly, was a minor graphics upgrade with an incomplete story, completely undeserving of the hype it got. Gaming magazines fellate the series because they know it'll sell issues. Half-Life 2 is a far better game in the FPS category. Of course, at this point there's enough slavering Halo fanboys that Bungie can milk the series just about forever, which is good for them from a profit standpoint, bad for gaming from a quality standpoint.

The point stands that ICO is the best game ever made, a pure, undiluted piece of art in video gaming.
The story in Halo 2 was questionable, but the Halo franchise is just bloody amazing. I've never even play Half-Life, but I doubt it is better then Halo. It is one of the best selling video games of all time and Halo 2 will probaly be too. If you don't like Halo that's fine with me, just be aware that many would disagree with your opinion.

There is no way I would by a PSP. Defects and lousy games: sounds like a waste of moeny to me! DS hardly has any good titles ethier, but when a system comes out you need to give it time to build up some good games (that's why even if Xbox 2 comes out this year I won't get it until 2006 because first it needs to build up a good selection of games). Of course I am now a bit more intrested in the DS. If I traveled a lot I would buy it, but I don't. Besides, I'm too busy playing Halo 2 via Xbox Live (and I plan on buying Ghost Recon 2 and some other live titles) and it would be a waste to buy a system I wouldn't use.

[risc]

It's funny how people claim the DS to be kiddy, when the PSP has games like mahjong :rolleyes:

LOL have you actually seen the current line up of DS games? MMM teenage picking up sims, and Mario. I own a DS and I've got a PSP sitting in customs, the current PSP line up is a orientated towards more mature gamers, if you don't like Sony for some reason that's fair but have a look at the games on both before you comment!

[Devie]

The story in Halo 2 was questionable, but the Halo franchise is just bloody amazing. I've never even play Half-Life, but I doubt it is better then Halo. It is one of the best selling video games of all time and Halo 2 will probaly be too. If you don't like Halo that's fine with me, just be aware that many would disagree with your opinion.

Halo is a shocker. I've never played a FPS campaign that is as repatative as this one. You enter the same room (wich is apparantly a differnet one) like 20 times, and in each room you do exactly the same thing, kill.
Halo 2, although improves on the repetativness a little bit, is a HUGE dissapointment to me. It took them three years, to give us a game thats the same thing with a un finished story. All they have given us is dual weilding.
The saving grace of the Halo games is definatly the multiplayer, but in Halo2, something is wrong. You do things that would and should work as they did in Halo, but dont. The game is flawed with HEAPS of gliches, and Live has even more gliches and even some cheaters that ruins the experience even more.

I cant really justify saying this, but it was rushed (since when was three years on a game with already developed engine rushed??).

[greeneo101]

Nintendo are like Apple only for consoles/handhelds!

Totally, the GameCube is a great piece of industrial design. If they would have brought the orange one to the states I would have gotten one just for that.

I like the DS because of its backwards compatibility. Backward compatibility is something I really wish there was more of in video games, but that's how they make their money I guess. I was going to be all over the PSP if it played old Playstation games because my original Playstation - guess what - broke.

My original NES just turned 20, still works great, and even though the games are old, they're still fun. It's all about gameplay. Prettier graphics on fancier screens will age and not be so pretty or fancy over time, but damn if Duck Hunt still isn't fun ;)

[killmoms]

My original NES just turned 20, still works great, and even though the games are old, they're still fun. It's all about gameplay. Prettier graphics on fancier screens will age and not be so pretty or fancy over time, but damn if Duck Hunt still isn't fun ;)
I'm amazed it's still functional! How many times do you have to blow in the cartridges before they work? ;)

Man, that takes me back... nostalgia alert!

[Sol]

I was going to be all over the PSP if it played old Playstation games because my original Playstation - guess what - broke.

PlayStation games are CD-size and I doubt anyone would want a hand-held that would be that big just for backwards compatibility.

I think one feature that at least one hand-held console should offer in the future is a built-in hard drive. Downloading games into the hand-held's hard drive would be so much better than managing a cartidge and/or disc library. Of course this would cost a lot but I think that SONY have proven that a market exists for expensive (and high-end) portable games consoles.

[pgc6000]

Halo is a shocker. I've never played a FPS campaign that is as repatative as this one. You enter the same room (wich is apparantly a differnet one) like 20 times, and in each room you do exactly the same thing, kill.
Halo 2, although improves on the repetativness a little bit, is a HUGE dissapointment to me. It took them three years, to give us a game thats the same thing with a un finished story. All they have given us is dual weilding.
The saving grace of the Halo games is definatly the multiplayer, but in Halo2, something is wrong. You do things that would and should work as they did in Halo, but dont. The game is flawed with HEAPS of gliches, and Live has even more gliches and even some cheaters that ruins the experience even more.

I cant really justify saying this, but it was rushed (since when was three years on a game with already developed engine rushed??).
Well yes the enviorments get repatative in Halo: CE, but they do imporve in Halo 2. How was Halo: CE incomplete? It was the beginning of a series? I guess that makes this aprrently so great Half-Life incomplete, or anything else that begins a story. The story in Halo 2 was pretty lame though. single-player was a letdown. But it was still fun. Multiplayer, on the other hand, is just amazing.

[FightTheFuture]

SONY have proven that a market exists for expensive (and high-end) portable games consoles.
i heard in an interview from a nintendo rep that the DS was not going to replace the gameboy. ergo, another gameboy would most likely be released to cater to the low end market. wouldn't the DS and PSP be in the same market?

of course if this were true, the DS wouldn't be backwards compatible.

[GFLPraxis]

I know they are rather spiffy aren' they... :)

Anyone that buys a DS over a PSP needs their head examining...

Yeah, right. DS rules.

The PSP:
1) has a 4 hour battery life, vs the 10 hour one of the DS.
2) Uses minidisks. Ick. plus they skip, take WAY longer to load while the DS is practically instant, and ruins any chance of single pack multiplayer.
3) Has a lot of problems, dead pixels, disk drive broken, disks that pop out of the drive and shoot out, etc.
4) Costs $50 more than the DS, PLUS requires a $30+ memory card.
5) Doesn't support single pack multiplayer
6) Doesn't have Nintendo games. w00t
7) Has no decent FPS control. The touch screen is simply amazing.

I'd take the DS any day.

[GFLPraxis]

i heard in an interview from a nintendo rep that the DS was not going to replace the gameboy. ergo, another gameboy would most likely be released to cater to the low end market. wouldn't the DS and PSP be in the same market?

of course if this were true, the DS wouldn't be backwards compatible.

The DS is "compatible" rather than "backwards compatible". It can't play original GB and GBC games, but it can play GBA games. Which look better than ever.

(that's why even if Xbox 2 comes out this year I won't get it until 2006 because first it needs to build up a good selection of games).

I'd hold off on you. XBox 2 comes out 2005, the rest in 2006. The other consoles, though, will be faster because they're coming out later. PS3 will use the Cell processor and the Nintendo Revolution will use an IBM chip as well (either Cell or PowerPC G5).

We don't know what the Revolution is going to be- all we know is that Nintendo is planning something no console has ever done that will supposedly change the way we play video games. We'll see.

We also know the Revolution will focus on long-distance multiplayer (worldwide) but will not follow the online model. My guess is tunnelling, but I don't know. Some statements from Nintendo (that the DS will connect to the Revolution but you'll need extra hardware to connect it to the GameCube) make me suspect it will have built in wireless, too.

I suggest you wait till the other consoles are out until you buy though, because the XBox 2 is going to get crushed. Here's why:

1) It's the slowest of all the consoles.
2) It will no longer have a hard drive.

It built up its following because it was the most powerful and had a hard drive. Now it loses both.



Since I have just made a new page, scroll back and see my previous post on Page 3.

[neoelectronaut]

Yeah, right. DS rules.

The PSP:
1) has a 4 hour battery life, vs the 10 hour one of the DS.
2) Uses minidisks. Ick. plus they skip, take WAY longer to load while the DS is practically instant, and ruins any chance of single pack multiplayer.
3) Has a lot of problems, dead pixels, disk drive broken, disks that pop out of the drive and shoot out, etc.
4) Costs $50 more than the DS, PLUS requires a $30+ memory card.
5) Doesn't support single pack multiplayer
6) Doesn't have Nintendo games. w00t
7) Has no decent FPS control. The touch screen is simply amazing.

I'd take the DS any day.

Single-Pak Multiplayer is the biggest draw for me. You don't realize how fun 4-player Bomberman or Chu Chu Rocket is. It's not very often that you can convince your friends each to blow $30 on a game that you'll play 3 or 4 times in multiplayer.

And oh yeah, the analog "disc" is an absolute joke.

[pgc6000]

The DS is "compatible" rather than "backwards compatible". It can't play original GB and GBC games, but it can play GBA games. Which look better than ever.



I'd hold off on you. XBox 2 comes out 2005, the rest in 2006. The other consoles, though, will be faster because they're coming out later. PS3 will use the Cell processor and the Nintendo Revolution will use an IBM chip as well (either Cell or PowerPC G5).

We don't know what the Revolution is going to be- all we know is that Nintendo is planning something no console has ever done that will supposedly change the way we play video games. We'll see.

We also know the Revolution will focus on long-distance multiplayer (worldwide) but will not follow the online model. My guess is tunnelling, but I don't know. Some statements from Nintendo (that the DS will connect to the Revolution but you'll need extra hardware to connect it to the GameCube) make me suspect it will have built in wireless, too.

I suggest you wait till the other consoles are out until you buy though, because the XBox 2 is going to get crushed. Here's why:

1) It's the slowest of all the consoles.
2) It will no longer have a hard drive.

It built up its following because it was the most powerful and had a hard drive. Now it loses both.



Since I have just made a new page, scroll back and see my previous post on Page 3.
I'll still buy the Xbox 2. Xbox seems to be geting the Star Wars games, and it will have Halo 3. It's a shame that it won't use a hardrive though. But I'm still going to atleast try and get it. :D I also want The Nintendo Revolution. Of course I don't know if I'd get it because like the DS it will probaly build up dust. I am not even considering the PS3 unless some fantastic game comes out for it that I must have.

[applekid]

I suggest you wait till the other consoles are out until you buy though, because the XBox 2 is going to get crushed. Here's why:

1) It's the slowest of all the consoles.
2) It will no longer have a hard drive.

A slow console does not matter. The quality of the gameplay matters. And we have yet to see how far the next-gen consoles can be pushed. Sure, it may be the slowest, but it hasn't shown it. I don't know of too many people that bought the X-Box for its sheer power (but then that leaves me with no reason why that bought an X-Box), but I will agree it loses at least one of its marketing gimmick.

No HD doesn't seem to be a big deal, IMO. But, there are those rumors there may be two or three types of X-Box 2's with/without HDs and certain hardware pieces. I doubt that'll happen though. Too complex for the consumer.

[Devie]

Well yes the enviorments get repatative in Halo: CE, but they do imporve in Halo 2. How was Halo: CE incomplete? It was the beginning of a series? I guess that makes this aprrently so great Half-Life incomplete, or anything else that begins a story. The story in Halo 2 was pretty lame though. single-player was a letdown. But it was still fun. Multiplayer, on the other hand, is just amazing.
I didnt say Halo was incomplete, I said that Halo2 was incomplete. Halo was a great start to the series, although was repetative, still delivered a well deserved story (and made me want to read Halo: The Fall of Reech, wich I am currently doing).
Halo 2 is in desperate need of patches, patches and some more patches. I do enjoy playing it on Live (and I mean a lot, I played it from 9:30pm to 4:00 am last night), but there is still an abundance of gliches that we kept finding to happen to us.

[pgc6000]

I didnt say Halo was incomplete, I said that Halo2 was incomplete. Halo was a great start to the series, although was repetative, still delivered a well deserved story (and made me want to read Halo: The Fall of Reech, wich I am currently doing).
Halo 2 is in desperate need of patches, patches and some more patches. I do enjoy playing it on Live (and I mean a lot, I played it from 9:30pm to 4:00 am last night), but there is still an abundance of gliches that we kept finding to happen to us.
In which case I do agree with you about the story on Halo 2. There didn't seems to be any details to support a story that probaly good of been good. I felt like everything was thrown out at me at once. Why is Cheif on another Halo? Why is the Arbirator does so and so? Good thing it fun. By the way, what is your gamertag? Mine is iPat6000.

[GFLPraxis]

A slow console does not matter. The quality of the gameplay matters. And we have yet to see how far the next-gen consoles can be pushed. Sure, it may be the slowest, but it hasn't shown it. I don't know of too many people that bought the X-Box for its sheer power (but then that leaves me with no reason why that bought an X-Box), but I will agree it loses at least one of its marketing gimmick.

No HD doesn't seem to be a big deal, IMO. But, there are those rumors there may be two or three types of X-Box 2's with/without HDs and certain hardware pieces. I doubt that'll happen though. Too complex for the consumer.

Almost EVERYONE I know bought it for the graphics. I bought a GameCube for the more fun games, but everyone with an XBox screams, "We have better graphics, HAAAA!" and I say, "Sooooo what?"

Thing is, I can't STAND the XBox controller. The thing is horrific, and the majority of games suck.

Zelda and Metroid Prime own. :)

[Capt Underpants]

Almost EVERYONE I know bought it for the graphics. I bought a GameCube for the more fun games, but everyone with an XBox screams, "We have better graphics, HAAAA!" and I say, "Sooooo what?"

Thing is, I can't STAND the XBox controller. The thing is horrific, and the majority of games suck.

Zelda and Metroid Prime own. :)

The xbox does have third party controllers. Many people can't stand the Gamecube controllers, either. It's a personal thing. As far as sucky games on the xbox, I say," WTF"? Surely you have to be kidding me. The xbox has plenty of awesome games to justify its $150 price tag, and it has an awesome online service to boot.

[Sir_Giggles]

...which he paid through the teeth for! PSP:£340, Ridge Racer:£45, Petrol for a 100 mile round trip to collect it!

But I tell you what, it's freakin' amazing! You have to see it to believe just how good it is!

I want one...bad!

Hehe.. I read an article about it and saw a pic. Thing looks incredible without even touching one. First gaming portable I have lusted over since Sega's Game Gear.

[pgc6000]

Xbox doesn't have any good games? Halo and Halo 2 aren't good games? I mostly wanted an Xbox for Halo 2. But right before I got it for Christmas I looked around and I saw it had some pretty good games that look like they are worth trying. Xbox is also geting BF Modern Combat and with my, well by the time I probaly get it, 11 months of Xbox Live I'll be pretty entertained.

[combatcolin]

The HD in an xBix has F-all to do with performance, most of the time it just sits there.

Only big games like Halo use it properly, Game devs can "soft install" 3 games onto the HD to speed up loading times.

Anyway, Microsoft have admitted that the HD aspect of the xBox wasn't used as much as they had hoped - which is why thery've dumped it for high capacity Flash memory in the xBox 2

I just hope its built in and not a seperate memory card, having virtually unlimited save games on the xBox is very convienant and chaep.

[combatcolin]

xbix?

Whoops.

[Jovian9]

I own a DS an am extremely pleased with it.
As for the PS2, I own one and I must say that I never play it anymore. About half a year after I bought it I realized that I didn't really enjoy playing the games on it. It is now broken, I don;t know how because it just sits in a TV cabinet all day, and I never use it. Another of my friends had the exact same experiance with his PS2. Broken and never used. He bought Gamecube after that and I must say that it is a much better system. It seems much more durable and the games are way better.
By the way,people who say that Nintendo is for kids are crazy. Just because the graphics are bright and colorful doesn't mean a teenager, like myself, can't enjoy them.
In conclusion, buy a DS. The PS2 sucks, and although I have yet to see a PSP in person yet my experiance with Sony consoles has soured me on them forever.

I agree. I am no longer a kid but I love Nintendo products. My PS2 was rarely used so I gave it to my nephews. Also, a friend of mine has had to buy 2 PS2's and countless controllers b/c they would break for no reason.

[Devie]

In which case I do agree with you about the story on Halo 2. There didn't seems to be any details to support a story that probaly good of been good. I felt like everything was thrown out at me at once. Why is Cheif on another Halo? Why is the Arbirator does so and so? Good thing it fun. By the way, what is your gamertag? Mine is iPat6000.

What I originally thought the story to be, is with what we saw before we got the game. And that was that the covenent where comming to attack earth, and we had to defend it. Did that for about half hour then off we go to find another Halo, woo.
Anyway, me gamertag is MooingCow :).

[greeneo101]

PlayStation games are CD-size and I doubt anyone would want a hand-held that would be that big just for backwards compatibility.

I dunno, thinking about CD walkmans and those portable DVD players, it seemed like it might be possible.

I haven't been paying too much attention to video game news at all - when is the next round of systems due?

[edesignuk]

I haven't been paying too much attention to video game news at all - when is the next round of systems due?
End of '05, beginning of '06 AFAIK.

[AliensAreFuzzy]

Personnaly, I think that the gamecube controllers are the best. They are really comfortable and very well laid out. They may be on the small side, but I have big hands and it doesn't bother me.

[mcarvin]

End of '05, beginning of '06 AFAIK.

Pretty much - Xbox 2 possibly 4Q '05 at the earliest, PS3 in mid '06. The GameInformer from a couple months ago said Xbox2 Dev kits (modded G5s) were just being shipped to game studios.

[risc]

My Sony PSP just cleared customs so it will be couriered to me tomorrow, I'll give you my impressions of it versus my Japanese Nintendo DS tomorrow, so far I can't see the DS holding up too well... but we'll see!

[Jalexster]

My Sony PSP just cleared customs so it will be couriered to me tomorrow, I'll give you my impressions of it versus my Japanese Nintendo DS tomorrow, so far I can't see the DS holding up too well... but we'll see!

You do know that the DS has already sold something like 5x+ the amount of PSPs, right?

[risc]

You do know that the DS has already sold something like 5x+ the amount of PSPs, right?

Yeah and anyone who's read anything about it knows that Sony didn't want to flood the market so their figures would look better in the next year (2005), the whole Nintendo DS Vs PSP sales thing means nothing if there were equal amounts of DSs and PSPs yeah maybe, but when Sony release 200,000 of them and they sell out on the first day and then they only do a second batch later on how can you judge? Give it 3 months when both machines have had time to flood the market, imho both machines are going to sell in amazing numbers, and it will all come down to personal preference - I don't have a preference so I imported both! I'll let the developers develop and I'll just play the games I like.

[Jalexster]

Nintendo has backing here. They have never been unseated in the portable market.

[risc]

Nintendo has backing here. They have never been unseated in the portable market.

I think I remember hearing that about the console market when the PlayStation was released, a few years can make a big difference. Does it really matter though? If you want a DS buy one, if you want a PSP buy one, if you don't want either hell I don't care. I love video games especially Japanese ones, I'll always be importing Japanese consoles/games even when I'm old and gray.

[Sol]

My Sony PSP just cleared customs so it will be couriered to me tomorrow, I'll give you my impressions of it versus my Japanese Nintendo DS tomorrow, so far I can't see the DS holding up too well... but we'll see!

If all you are going to compare are the graphics then your Nintendo DS will not hold up too well against the PSP.

When you are over the novelty of your bigger and better PSP, and a few weeks have passed, get back to us and let us know which of the two hand-helds you have been playing the most.

[GFLPraxis]

The xbox does have third party controllers. Many people can't stand the Gamecube controllers, either. It's a personal thing. As far as sucky games on the xbox, I say," WTF"? Surely you have to be kidding me. The xbox has plenty of awesome games to justify its $150 price tag, and it has an awesome online service to boot.

Well, let me give you a rundown...
1) I get bored with racing games.
2) I can't stand sports games.
3) I get sick with blood.

The *majority* of XBox games are in these three categories ;)

I don't like the normal GC controller, but the WaveBird is just sweet.

There are *some* good games that I would like, just not many. I'm screaming in a rage here that they made Burnout 3 for PS2 and XBox and not GC.

[GFLPraxis]

If all you are going to compare are the graphics then your Nintendo DS will not hold up too well against the PSP.

When you are over the novelty of your bigger and better PSP, and a few weeks have passed, get back to us and let us know which of the two hand-helds you have been playing the most.

Thing is, comparing in price (add the memory card in) and the PSP doesn't hold at ALL against the PSP. Plus add the media in.

[risc]

Well my PSP turned up a few hours ago and I've been playing Ridge Racers ever since, and I've got to say edesignuk is completely correct this thing is just plain amazing. To be honest I wasn't expecting it to be much better than the DS but the DS looks like last generation hardware compared to the PSP. The graphics aren't on the same level, the speed of the graphics, the quality of the screen, the colours, the audio, and even the design of the PSP. It just feels right in my hand, the DS has never felt that way. I'm sure someone will start talking to me about battery life and all I can say is yeah remind me when my battery has actually run out. The Nintendo fan boys are going to come back with the exact same rhetoric again but let me clear this up for you:

My PSP has no dead pixels, no dust under the screen, the UMD hasn't popped out while I was using it, none of the buttons stick, all of the buttons work perfectly, the analog control hasn't fallen off, in fact nothing feels cheap the PSP feels like an expensive well made piece of kit. Also the load times are minimal at best. Ridge Racers starts up nearly straight away and the only time I see a loading screen is at the start of a race (and this only happens when you first race, or are changing tracks), and this is only for a few seconds at most, I'm sure there are games out there with shocking load times but Ridge Racers isn't one of them. The only thing I'd admit to is the thing is a finger print magnet.

Anyway everyone here who is dead set against the PSP will still be, and until you actually see it in action you wont understand, but the day you do trust me you'll eat your words.

I just wish I hadn't fallen for all the PSP FUD and had just bought one when they were first released and not bothered with the DS. Oh well hindsight is a wonderfull thing, and there isn't going to be a Mario Kart on the PSP so that is an excuse to hold on to the DS for now at least, but imho the superior machine in every way is the Sony PSP. Now to see what happens with the games. It's a great time for portable gaming!

[topicolo]

Apparently, if you take both ends of the PSP and twist it a little while the UMD is spinning, the disk will fly out like a ninja star and kill people :).

Give it a try but I won't be responsible for the death and destruction.

[risc]

Apparently, if you take both ends of the PSP and twist it a little while the UMD is spinning, the disk will fly out like a ninja star and kill people :).

Give it a try but I won't be responsible for the death and destruction.

I think you have to twist a lot more than a little, I gave it a go and nothing happened and I'm not prepared to break something that cost me AUD$800 (after import tax) to prove the system sucks. =)

[wPod]

i havent played a PSP yet, but cant wait to try one out, and probably buy one. but i have played the DS and i think it is a bunch of hype. if you have one hand on the a/b/x/y buttons and one hand on the up/down/right/left then what hand do you use for the touch screen?!?! i never quite figured that out. also for the second screen what is the point? most games have something like a map on the second screen, but the last time i played a single screen game the map was in the corner of the single screen. this is generally easier than having to take your focus off of the main screen to look down at a second screen. i saw no advantages for the DS, unless you are a twelve year old kid. in this case my little bro loved the DS (he got it for xmas) he could chat with his friend on his DS and draw little pictures to eachother and generally goof off with it. so maybe in that sense the DS is good, but i saw no advantage for gaming. i think the PSP sounds much better for a gamming system!! but cant say for sure until i get a chance to play one.

[Drgnhntr]

Sorry if this has been linked already, they did a hands on test of the battery at various levels of use.
http://psp.ign.com/articles/574/574557p1.html

The thing with nintendo is they do try different things. The DS is a sign of that. In all the talk about consoles, I am most interested in Nintendo revolution because it will be "different". Rumors are that the controller on revolution will be similar to the DS touch interface. The thing that bothers me about Nintendo is that they say they are innovating a better gaming experience, but I don't know that they succeed. I have played the DS, and the touch screen is neat, but the games don't work quite right with it, yet. Another example is that the gamecube lacks true surround sound. Sound is a pivotal to being drawn into the game. Resident evil 4 with true surround, playing at 2 in the morning, can't get a better gaming experience than that. I like what nintendo says, but I don't see them totally doing it.

As for Halo... That was such a disappointment, and a horrible port to the Mac. It has its moments, But I just don't see why it gets a lot of hype. If someone could explain to me how Halo is different from every other FPS, I would appreciate it. Personally, I had more fun with Timesplitters2 than Halo. I wonder if timesplitters was published by microsoft what kind of hype it would get?

[GFLPraxis]

I think you have to twist a lot more than a little, I gave it a go and nothing happened and I'm not prepared to break something that cost me AUD$800 (after import tax) to prove the system sucks. =)

IGN tested it. Was quite funny, reading how they were using it as a portable disk launcher. It's true though.

[topicolo]

IGN tested it. Was quite funny, reading how they were using it as a portable disk launcher. It's true though.

They should make some sort of multiplayer pokemon game that requires one person to stand directly opposite the PSP and when you attack, you have to twist the PSP hard :)

Nothing like a real world followup to increase realism. heheh

[GFLPraxis]

Here you go, a movie of it being launched!

http://www.gamesarefun.com/consoles/psp/pspdefect2.mov

QuickTime format, too :)

I saw another one with them shooting a Teddy. :D

[sethypoo]

I really can't understand how ANYONE could buy a DS over a PSP. The PSP is just stunning.

Yes, and three to four times the price.

For what you get, I'd take a DS over it any day. My Xbox and Gamecube are for high end gaming, my DS is for on the go fun.

Where can I make an appointment for an examination? :rolleyes:

[GFLPraxis]

Yes, and three to four times the price.

For what you get, I'd take a DS over it any day. My Xbox and Gamecube are for high end gaming, my DS is for on the go fun.

Where can I make an appointment for an examination? :rolleyes:

Exactly. Same here.

[Crikey]

:confused: :confused: :confused: and lots of good ones as well... hardly the Playstations fault though is it? a similar argument could be levelled at both the GameCube and the XBox as well, except that they don't have lot's of crap games because they don't have many games in the first place. heheheh

What is it with people and stuff being cheap...? things don't have to be cheap at all to succeed.


All of those arguments are also levelled at the Mac at some time or other.


Crikey

[pgc6000]

Portable gameing is coming back...When Xbox, Gamecube, and PS2 marched in, even with the popular GBA: Advance, portable gameing died down. But now Nintendo has portable competion. It's going to be bigger.

But I would choose the DS over PSP any day. Except maybe to launch disks...

Halo is popular because the original has such a great story and it's just gripping and exciting to play.

[risc]

But I would choose the DS over PSP any day. Except maybe to launch disks...

I find it funny that I actually own a PSP and I tell you guys that I tried to twist it and get the disk to fly out but it didn't even bend, yet you still use it as an argument as to why the PSP sucks, it kind of reminds me of a certain part of the computing community that use this logic "The Mac sucks because it has 1 mouse button!".

Oh well believe what you want, I own both consoles and I know which one I prefer I've explained why above let the FUD continue, just let me state it one more time in 3 days of heavy usage the UMD on my PSP has not come flying out!

[pgc6000]

I find it funny that I actually own a PSP and I tell you guys that I tried to twist it and get the disk to fly out but it didn't even bend, yet you still use it as an argument as to why the PSP sucks, it kind of reminds me of a certain part of the computing community that use this logic "The Mac sucks because it has 1 mouse button!".

Oh well believe what you want, I own both consoles and I know which one I prefer I've explained why above let the FUD continue, just let me state it one more time in 3 days of heavy usage the UMD on my PSP has not come flying out!
Nobody said they were ALL defects. Just most of them. I want a defect one to fire disks, and that's that.

[risc]

Nobody said they were ALL defects. Just most of them. I want a defect one to fire disks, and that's that.

Keep the FUD coming... :)

[Drgnhntr]

Oh well believe what you want, I own both consoles and I know which one I prefer I've explained why above let the FUD continue, just let me state it one more time in 3 days of heavy usage the UMD on my PSP has not come flying out!

You say you own both consoles? By that do you mean you own PSP and a DS? I am curious if you also own a PS2 or other non-portable consoles? Do you find that you play your PSP at home when you could otherwise play your consoles? My feelings are that a PSP would almost compete against the PS2 more than the DS.

[applekid]

Portable gameing is coming back...When Xbox, Gamecube, and PS2 marched in, even with the popular GBA: Advance, portable gameing died down. But now Nintendo has portable competion. It's going to be bigger.

But I would choose the DS over PSP any day. Except maybe to launch disks...

Halo is popular because the original has such a great story and it's just gripping and exciting to play.

I don't think portable gaming died down at all. The GBA and SP sold at ridiculous rates and amounts early on and still hold strong numbers today. Hardly a loss in popularity. Maybe GB/GBC units sold vs. GBA/SP units sold might leave the GB/GBC the winner, but I'm willing to bet the GBA/SP is on track to beat that.

Even though I am slightly slanted towards the DS, I wouldn't call the PSP manufacturing problems such a large factor in stopping me from thinking about purchasing it. I think it's useless and childish talk to attack on some really minor problems that doesn't affect how the PSP plays games.

[neoelectronaut]

My big problem with the PSP is that it's going to have the same games/experience as the PS2. That's fine and all, but if I want to play PS2 games, you know, I'll play them on an actual PS2.

In my opinion, Handhelds should feature games that are different than what you'd get on a console. This is what the GBA and DS are both doing. Rather than trying to put out console-style games that push the envelope, Nintendo typically makes games that are better for one-shot plays, or 15 minute romps. The PSP is going for more of a "portable console" experience, or basically, featuring games that need to be played for hours at a time.

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

Many are happy that we'll finally get a handheld that is more than just "Watered down versions versions of console games." But honestly, I'd rather play the watered down version on the road, and leave the real game to experience on a large television set.

[risc]

You say you own both consoles? By that do you mean you own PSP and a DS? I am curious if you also own a PS2 or other non-portable consoles? Do you find that you play your PSP at home when you could otherwise play your consoles? My feelings are that a PSP would almost compete against the PS2 more than the DS.

Yes I own Japanese imports of both the Nintendo DS and the PSP. I also have an XBox here, and I play games on my Power Mac G5 also.

Yes I have been playing Ridge Racers constantly it's so damn good I haven't considered using the DS or the XBox since it turned up. To be honest I don't understand your question about the PSP competeing against a non-portable console, any time I use the XBox, PSP, or DS I'm not using one of the other consoles, so I spose they compete against each other for my time?

If you are asking me does the PSP feel more like a current home console than the DS, then definitely the PSP brings the experiences I've enjoyed from the high end consoles and dumped it in a portable, but given the right games I believe the DS could do this too. Super Mario 64 DS is a great game, and I also have a few other DS games on order.

Technically though the PSP and DS are completely different it's kind of like comparing a Playstation 2 to a Nintendo 64, given the choice of owning one or the other I'd take the PSP over the DS any day. It has all the games I love from the home consoles and has dumped them on a portable with little or no lose in quality as I say above.

It's all personal opinion though so don't listen to me, use them both and make up your own mind just don't listen to these fanboys spreading FUD about the PSP. I'd be interested in finding out though of all the people dissing the PSP here how many have actually used it? I think the number would be pretty damn small!

[GFLPraxis]

My big problem with the PSP is that it's going to have the same games/experience as the PS2. That's fine and all, but if I want to play PS2 games, you know, I'll play them on an actual PS2.

In my opinion, Handhelds should feature games that are different than what you'd get on a console. This is what the GBA and DS are both doing. Rather than trying to put out console-style games that push the envelope, Nintendo typically makes games that are better for one-shot plays, or 15 minute romps. The PSP is going for more of a "portable console" experience, or basically, featuring games that need to be played for hours at a time.

Am I the only one that thinks this way?

Many are happy that we'll finally get a handheld that is more than just "Watered down versions versions of console games." But honestly, I'd rather play the watered down version on the road, and leave the real game to experience on a large television set.

Actually, the PSP waters down a few games to make them save battery life (Metal Gear is a turn based card based RPG game! LOL).

But yeah, I know exactly how you feel. I don't want to spend money to buy console games over again, and have a weaker experience (smaller screen, lack of sizable joysticks) when I can get games actually designed for it's own system.

And you'd be surprised at some of the GBA games. I have nearly 60 hours logged in MegaMan Battle Network 3 (that game is AWESOME). It goes on for dozens of hours after you've beaten it, with incredibly hard uberbosses popping up after the final one, and you having to find tons of stuff. One of the best RPG games around.

Mobile games for me should be different types of games than Console ones.

[neoelectronaut]

Actually, the PSP waters down a few games to make them save battery life (Metal Gear is a turn based card based RPG game! LOL).

But yeah, I know exactly how you feel. I don't want to spend money to buy console games over again, and have a weaker experience (smaller screen, lack of sizable joysticks) when I can get games actually designed for it's own system.

And you'd be surprised at some of the GBA games. I have nearly 60 hours logged in MegaMan Battle Network 3 (that game is AWESOME). It goes on for dozens of hours after you've beaten it, with incredibly hard uberbosses popping up after the final one, and you having to find tons of stuff. One of the best RPG games around.

Mobile games for me should be different types of games than Console ones.

Oh jeez don't remind me. I have way too much time spent on the original Battle Network.

[Drgnhntr]

Yes I own Japanese imports of both the Nintendo DS and the PSP. I also have an XBox here, and I play games on my Power Mac G5 also.

Yes I have been playing Ridge Racers constantly it's so damn good I haven't considered using the DS or the XBox since it turned up. To be honest I don't understand your question about the PSP competeing against a non-portable console, any time I use the XBox, PSP, or DS I'm not using one of the other consoles, so I spose they compete against each other for my time?

If you are asking me does the PSP feel more like a current home console than the DS, then definitely the PSP brings the experiences I've enjoyed from the high end consoles and dumped it in a portable, but given the right games I believe the DS could do this too. Super Mario 64 DS is a great game, and I also have a few other DS games on order.

Technically though the PSP and DS are completely different it's kind of like comparing a Playstation 2 to a Nintendo 64, given the choice of owning one or the other I'd take the PSP over the DS any day. It has all the games I love from the home consoles and has dumped them on a portable with little or no lose in quality as I say above.

It's all personal opinion though so don't listen to me, use them both and make up your own mind just don't listen to these fanboys spreading FUD about the PSP. I'd be interested in finding out though of all the people dissing the PSP here how many have actually used it? I think the number would be pretty damn small!

I think you got to the point of my question. I basically was wondering if the PSP was on par with home consoles. Additionally I was asking if given the option of playing your home console, mac, and a PSP, which would you play? The DS is fun, but given the option, I would not play the DS over my gamecube or mac.
From what I have heard about the capabilities of the PSP it is, as you say, your home console experience in a portable form. The DS in my opinion is not your home console experience in a portable form, it is something different. So, I totally agree with you that comparing the DS and the PSP is not quite right. I do not own either system but I am very anxious to see a PSP in person. I appreciate your opinion as someone who has hands on experience. At less than $200 the PSP seems to be a great system.

[GFLPraxis]

Oh jeez don't remind me. I have way too much time spent on the original Battle Network.

If you've played #3, and reached Bass GS...you will visit a new level of game difficulty...
My buddy got to Bass Omega (one of the last after-you-beat-the-game-superbosses), which is practically an impossibility. He can't even win, despite having every single chip in the game (standard and mega and most of the giga), 1200 HP, 10 damage per buster shot and super-rapid fire (like five shots a second).

I think you got to the point of my question. I basically was wondering if the PSP was on par with home consoles. Additionally I was asking if given the option of playing your home console, mac, and a PSP, which would you play? The DS is fun, but given the option, I would not play the DS over my gamecube or mac.
From what I have heard about the capabilities of the PSP it is, as you say, your home console experience in a portable form. The DS in my opinion is not your home console experience in a portable form, it is something different. So, I totally agree with you that comparing the DS and the PSP is not quite right. I do not own either system but I am very anxious to see a PSP in person. I appreciate your opinion as someone who has hands on experience. At less than $200 the PSP seems to be a great system.

The PSP would have PS2-level graphics, but I think it would be harder to play simply because of the horrid analog 'nubs' instead of joysticks.

Fine on the go, but if you were at home and could use the PSP or a PS2 with a higher res larger size screen and usable joysticks...well... (PSP is 480 res, PS2 is 640)

[risc]

When you are over the novelty of your bigger and better PSP, and a few weeks have passed, get back to us and let us know which of the two hand-helds you have been playing the most.

Okay so I've had a PSP for nearly 2 weeks so it's time to report back I guess, so heres what I think about the PSP:

The PSP just feels right in my hand (the FUD about the buttons sticking, or not working at all is just that FUD), it looks great, it feels very sturdy (don't believe the FUD about being able to twist it in normal use to get the UMD to fly out, you have to really wrench it, and it only works if you twist one side one way and the other one another), the LCD is high quality and has a great viewing angle (you can't say this about the DS at all I find it hard to see both screens at once), the quality of the audio is amazing although it sounds a little lame out of the inbuilt speakers, but with headphones on it's fantastic, the power of the PSP bringing home console gaming to a portable is just plain amazing, the battery life is good too all the FUD about 1 1/2 hour battery life is garbage I get about 4 to 4.5 hours playing Ridge Racers, the great thing about the batteries on the PSP though is the fact it only takes about 2 hours to charge them (this is 1/2 the time it takes on the DS), and finally I love the fact the EA are bringing out FIFA I can finally play it at work. The last point is the most important the PSP has the screen size and the technology to actually allow you to play games like this on a portable, if there was a FIFA for DS you can be certain it would be nothing like the home console version, while the PSP version is set to be exactly the same including the licensed audio.

As for how it compares to the DS, the DS doesn't compare at all. I've swapped all the preordered DS games I had at lik-sang.com for PSP games, and I've got my DS up on ebay.com.au and I'm hoping to sell it asap. The only reason I can think of for picking a Nintendo DS over a Sony PSP is the Nintendo franchises. This was not enough of a reason for me to keep the DS. I look forward to seeing what they do with the GBA 2 when it is released though.

IMHO there is absolutely no reason for anyone to post any Sony FUD now, both myself and edesignuk have hands on experience with it we both agree that it's amazing. I was asked to wait until the Sony OMFG it's amazing experience had gone so I could report back, it's 2 weeks later it hasn't.

If you are considering getting a PSP put in a preorder for the March release because these things are going to sell out too damn quick!

This thread is done. :)

[ZildjianKX]

I'm a big portable gaming fan, and have had every portable from the Gameboy, Atari Lynx, Turbo Express, Nomad, NGCP, etc etc. I've been using my GBA SP for my primary portable for 2 years now, so I'm a bit of a Nintendo fanboy when it comes to portables.

With that said, I'm really dissapointed with the Nintendo DS. With all the PSP vs DS hardware comparisons aside, my main gripe is:

Where are the games? The DS has a pitiful launch lineup, and the availability of coming games is pretty scattered. Take a look at the reviews:
http://ds.ign.com/reviews/
Only Mario 64, pretty much an N64 port, got decent reviews.

I think this is going to be the only Nintendo system I'm skipping besides the GBC... I feel it's filling in the same role in many ways. A new system to beat off the competition until their next major portable is ready.

My PSP is pre-ordered already. If Sony launches it at $149.99, Nintendo is really screwed. The IGN staff has already been talking that the DS needs to pricedrop to $99 and include a free game.

[Vader]

I made an icon set for the PSP not to long ago, it isn't to great, but...
PSP icons (http://www.resexcellence.com/archive_icons_01/05/01-07_PSPicons.sit)

[Jalexster]

Okay so I've had a PSP for nearly 2 weeks so it's time to report back I guess, so heres what I think about the PSP:

The PSP just feels right in my hand (the FUD about the buttons sticking, or not working at all is just that FUD), it looks great, it feels very sturdy (don't believe the FUD about being able to twist it in normal use to get the UMD to fly out, you have to really wrench it, and it only works if you twist one side one way and the other one another), the LCD is high quality and has a great viewing angle (you can't say this about the DS at all I find it hard to see both screens at once), the quality of the audio is amazing although it sounds a little lame out of the inbuilt speakers, but with headphones on it's fantastic, the power of the PSP bringing home console gaming to a portable is just plain amazing, the battery life is good too all the FUD about 1 1/2 hour battery life is garbage I get about 4 to 4.5 hours playing Ridge Racers, the great thing about the batteries on the PSP though is the fact it only takes about 2 hours to charge them (this is 1/2 the time it takes on the DS), and finally I love the fact the EA are bringing out FIFA I can finally play it at work. The last point is the most important the PSP has the screen size and the technology to actually allow you to play games like this on a portable, if there was a FIFA for DS you can be certain it would be nothing like the home console version, while the PSP version is set to be exactly the same including the licensed audio.

As for how it compares to the DS, the DS doesn't compare at all. I've swapped all the preordered DS games I had at lik-sang.com for PSP games, and I've got my DS up on ebay.com.au and I'm hoping to sell it asap. The only reason I can think of for picking a Nintendo DS over a Sony PSP is the Nintendo franchises. This was not enough of a reason for me to keep the DS. I look forward to seeing what they do with the GBA 2 when it is released though.

IMHO there is absolutely no reason for anyone to post any Sony FUD now, both myself and edesignuk have hands on experience with it we both agree that it's amazing. I was asked to wait until the Sony OMFG it's amazing experience had gone so I could report back, it's 2 weeks later it hasn't.

If you are considering getting a PSP put in a preorder for the March release because these things are going to sell out too damn quick!

This thread is done. :)

So you like the PSP. You know what that means class? A WITCH!

[iChan]

Single-Pak Multiplayer is the biggest draw for me. You don't realize how fun 4-player Bomberman or Chu Chu Rocket is. It's not very often that you can convince your friends each to blow $30 on a game that you'll play 3 or 4 times in multiplayer.

And oh yeah, the analog "disc" is an absolute joke.

i've had my psp for three days now... my girlfriend has a DS and now wants a PSP.

the PSP is a really cool thing... the amount of mods that are going to come out for this is going to be unprecedented.

that's not the reason i bought it though, it was for it's out of box capabilities that really drew me.

MP3 playback, photo slideshows, videos and games.

I bought iPSP, a little program that syncs the PSP with iPhoto, iTunes and converts almost any format video into PSP format.

three friends and myself watched a whole movie on the PSP and it was really cool... (it was Harold and Kumar go to Whitecastle) I had my laptop, but no DVD and it wasn't ripped onto the HD anymore.

i don't think i could have done that with the DS.


Also, this single pak multiplayer thing seem like a possibility on the PSP, there is a "game sharing" option in the main menu of the PSP.




To all those people flaming others. If you are a Mac user, I presume you are not just using Macs because of the brand name, it's because they are genuinely better products than Wintel based computers. Sony has dumped nearly every ounce of their expertise into this machine, Minidisc technology, power consumption, miniturisation... i could go on.

Having owned every handheld since the the original Gameboy, (yes, even the Watara Supervision, NeoGeo Pocket/Color, GP32) I know that Sony is onto a winner.

The battery life is very good 6 hours+ with normal usage, including watching movies and playing games. (After finishing Harold and Kumar, i still had 4:50 left)

the graphics are better than DS too... just look at these:

DS:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/924896_20041122_screen001.jpg

PSP:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/920779_20041210_screen004.jpg


no comparison.

the price is also a non-starter issue... these are both commodity items and are priced accordingly... the prices also drop rapidly.


the way i put it... if i dropped my PSP, and it broke, i'd say: "screw this" and i'd buy another one. OTOH if i dropped my 40GB 4GB iPod, I'd feel like crying. my reasoning for this is that, with the PSP, you are getting soooooooo much more for your money than with the iPod.
(I'm not dissing the iPod, just trying to illustrate my point)

[ZildjianKX]

i've had my psp for three days now... my girlfriend has a DS and now wants a PSP.

the PSP is a really cool thing... the amount of mods that are going to come out for this is going to be unprecedented.

that's not the reason i bought it though, it was for it's out of box capabilities that really drew me.

MP3 playback, photo slideshows, videos and games.

I bought iPSP, a little program that syncs the PSP with iPhoto, iTunes and converts almost any format video into PSP format.

three friends and myself watched a whole movie on the PSP and it was really cool... (it was Harold and Kumar go to Whitecastle) I had my laptop, but no DVD and it wasn't ripped onto the HD anymore.

i don't think i could have done that with the DS.


Also, this single pak multiplayer thing seem like a possibility on the PSP, there is a "game sharing" option in the main menu of the PSP.




To all those people flaming others. If you are a Mac user, I presume you are not just using Macs because of the brand name, it's because they are genuinely better products than Wintel based computers. Sony has dumped nearly every ounce of their expertise into this machine, Minidisc technology, power consumption, miniturisation... i could go on.

Having owned every handheld since the the original Gameboy, (yes, even the Watara Supervision, NeoGeo Pocket/Color, GP32) I know that Sony is onto a winner.

The battery life is very good 6 hours+ with normal usage, including watching movies and playing games. (After finishing Harold and Kumar, i still had 4:50 left)

the graphics are better than DS too... just look at these:

DS:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/924896_20041122_screen001.jpg

PSP:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/920779_20041210_screen004.jpg


no comparison.

the price is also a non-starter issue... these are both commodity items and are priced accordingly... the prices also drop rapidly.


the way i put it... if i dropped my PSP, and it broke, i'd say: "screw this" and i'd buy another one. OTOH if i dropped my 40GB 4GB iPod, I'd feel like crying. my reasoning for this is that, with the PSP, you are getting soooooooo much more for your money than with the iPod.
(I'm not dissing the iPod, just trying to illustrate my point)

Great post, you sound very similar to myself. Thanks for the iPSP app info, I didn't know about it until you mentioned it.

If you don't mind me asking, what process did you go to to get the Harold and Kumar movie on your PSP? Did you just rip the DVD to your hard drive, and the iPSP program was able to convert and resample it for the PSP? Also was curious how big it ended up being. Thanks!

[zelmo]

I don't get all this hating going on, for Sony, MS, or Nintendo. If you're a gamer, then you love games, not a company that makes consoles or handhelds.

I still have my first, original GB, and it sits in my bathroom for the occasional game of Tetris.
I finally gave my NES to my niece after I got the PS2.
I parted with my original Genesis once I got an Xbox.
My original Playstation, purchased the week they released in the US, is in my daughter's room, and still works just fine, TYVM. So does the PS2 I waited (first) in line overnite at Wal-Mart for.
I have a PS2, a GameCube, a GBA, and an Xbox. They are all great in their own way.
Haven't bought a DS yet, but probably will once there are more games besides Mario to get me pumped.
I'll have a PSP the day they come out (as long as Wipeout is a launch title in the US).

Don't waste your time fighting over consoles and hardware manufacturers. There are too many good games to play to waste time bickering. It's all good.

[iChan]

Great post, you sound very similar to myself. Thanks for the iPSP app info, I didn't know about it until you mentioned it.

If you don't mind me asking, what process did you go to to get the Harold and Kumar movie on your PSP? Did you just rip the DVD to your hard drive, and the iPSP program was able to convert and resample it for the PSP? Also was curious how big it ended up being. Thanks!

do you own a PSP yet?

there are loads of programs out there that can convert a DVD to AVI, one of the best is Forty-Two by the same makers of the iPSP software. [http://www.kaisakura.com]. They are a class act.

after your have the AVI, just use iPSP to convert it. unless you register your copy of iPSP, you can only encode the first 10 minutes of the movie though.

the finished harold and kumar is 332.9MB encoded with iPSP.


there is another piece of software called altShiiva [http://hetima.com/psp/altshiiva.php] the site is all Japanese, but you can download the software from the links.

I find it really difficult to use because there are way too many settings and i didn't actually get any files to work with it, but hey, your milage may vary and it's free!!



Animation like Family and Simpsons look absolutely magnificent on the PSP screen. and the files are only 45MB each... you could get them smaller but iPSP does not allow it. (lack of options, does the work for you)

At those kind of sizes, i can get 20 episode of simpsons onto my 1GB card. (on order, only have 512MB now)

good luck

[iChan]

by the way, that 332.9MB for Harold and Kumar is at the highest possible setting and it looks great...

it took hours to encode though. (i left it over night, maybe about 3-4 hours?)

I encoded the movie before into the lowest quality (came in at about 190MB) and the difference in quality was negligible.

[ZildjianKX]

by the way, that 332.9MB for Harold and Kumar is at the highest possible setting and it looks great...

it took hours to encode though. (i left it over night, maybe about 3-4 hours?)

I encoded the movie before into the lowest quality (came in at about 190MB) and the difference in quality was negligible.

Thanks for all the info, I really appreciate it. I noticed on the iPSP website they say they support vob files, can you just convert directly from a backed up dvd to the .MP4 format?

I don't have a PSP yet, I'm saving up money for a car and to go to graduate school and couldn't justify paying to import one, but I'm first on the pre-order line at the local videogame store :)

[risc]

Lik-Sang.com has the Japanese PSP starting at USD$329.

[ZildjianKX]

Lik-Sang.com has the Japanese PSP starting at USD$329.

I think I'll wait my 8 weeks and get one for $150 to $180.

[Macamus Prime]

The bundle sold in the US is just too expensive. The cheapest is about $400 with games I really don't want to play. Ridge Racer is the only one I am excited about. But, I am not paying $400. I will wait. Once things die down, I'll probably buy it. Look at the PS Slim. People where shelling out $300 for it on e-Bay, and next thing you know, 2 months later its available everywhere for $150.

[GFLPraxis]

I'm a big portable gaming fan, and have had every portable from the Gameboy, Atari Lynx, Turbo Express, Nomad, NGCP, etc etc. I've been using my GBA SP for my primary portable for 2 years now, so I'm a bit of a Nintendo fanboy when it comes to portables.

With that said, I'm really dissapointed with the Nintendo DS. With all the PSP vs DS hardware comparisons aside, my main gripe is:

Where are the games? The DS has a pitiful launch lineup, and the availability of coming games is pretty scattered. Take a look at the reviews:
http://ds.ign.com/reviews/
Only Mario 64, pretty much an N64 port, got decent reviews.

I think this is going to be the only Nintendo system I'm skipping besides the GBC... I feel it's filling in the same role in many ways. A new system to beat off the competition until their next major portable is ready.

My PSP is pre-ordered already. If Sony launches it at $149.99, Nintendo is really screwed. The IGN staff has already been talking that the DS needs to pricedrop to $99 and include a free game.

The games are coming.

http://www.gamesarefun.com/gamesdb/platform.php?platformid=84
Games on Nintendo DS:
2005 Advance Wars 3
2005 Age of Empires
2005 Air Assault 2
2005 Animal Crossing DS
2005 Another Code
2004 Asphalt Urban GT
2005 Baten Kaitos
2005 Big Mutha Truckers
2005 Boktai (working title)
2005 Bomberman
2005 Brain Twisting Game Vol. 1 (Japanese)
2005 Caduceus (Japanese)
2005 Castlevania
2005 Choro-Q DS (Japanese)
2005 Cool 104 Joker & Setline (working title) (Japanese)
2005 Crash Clash Racing
2005 Deep Labyrinth (Japanese)
TBA Disney Presents a Pixar Film: The Incredibles
TBA Disney/Pixar's Cars
2005 Dragon Booster (Japanese)
TBA Dragon Booster (working title)
2005 Dragon Quest Monsters
2005 Dragonball Z
2005 Dust and Shadows (Japanese)
2005 Dynasty Warriors
2005 Egg Monster Heroes
2004 Feel the Magic: XY/XX
2005 Final Fantasy III (Japanese)
2005 Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles
2005 Ford Racing
2005 Frogger
2005 Fushigi no Dungeon (Japanese)
2005 Ganbare Goemon (Mystical Ninja) series (Japanese)
2005 GoldenEye: Rogue Agent
2005 Gyakuten Saiban (Objection Court) (Japanese)
2005 Harvest Moon (Japanese)
2005 Hokuto no Ken (Japanese)
2005 Intern Tendo Dokuta (Japanese)
2005 Jam with the Band (temporary title)
2005 Jaws (tentative title)
2005 Jinsei-Game DS (Japanese)
2005 Jissen Pachislot Hisshohou! Fist of the North Star (Japanese)
TBA Jump Superstars
2005 Kenshuui Tendou Dokuta (Japanese)
2005 King Kong
2005 Kirby: The Magic Paintbrush (Japanese)
2005 Legend of the River King series (Japanese)
TBA Lost in Blue
2005 Madagascar
2004 Madden NFL 2005
2005 Mahjong Taikai (Japanese)
2005 Mario Kart (tentative title)
2005 Mega Man Battle Network (Japanese)
2005 Meteos (Japanese)
2005 Metroid Pinball
2005 Metroid Prime: Hunters
2005 Minna no Mahjong (Japanese)
2005 Mobile Suit Gundam Seed
2005 Monster Farm Jamboree (Japanese)
2005 Monster Rancher DS (Japanese)
2005 Moonlight Fables
2004 Mr. DRILLER: Drill Spirits
2005 Nanostray
2005 Naruto (Japanese)
2005 Need for Speed Underground 2
2005 One Piece
2005 Organizer Plus (Japanese)
2005 Pac Pix
2005 Pac'n Roll (working title)
2005 Picto-Chat
2004 Ping Pals
2005 Pokémon Dash!
2005 Pokemon Diamond (Japanese)
2005 Pokemon Platinum (Japanese)
2005 Polarium
2004 Prince of Tennis (Japanese)
2006 Project DA (Japanese)
Project Rub (European)
2005 Project Rub (Japanese)
2005 Puppy Times (temporary title)
2005 Puyo Pop Fever (Japanese)
2005 Puzzle Bobble series (Japanese)
2005 Quad Desert Fury 2
2005 Rayman DS
2005 Retro Atari Classics
2004 Ridge Racer DS
2005 Robots
2004 Sawaru Made in Wario (Japanese)
2005 Scooby-Doo! Unmasked
2005 Secret of Mana series (Japanese)
2005 Shin Megami Tensei DS (Japanese)
2005 Slime Morimori Dragon Quest series (Japanese)
2005 Snood 2: Lost In Snoodville
2005 Snowboard Kids (Japanese)
2005 Sonic DS
2005 Soul Calibur
2005 Space eXploration Rally (Japanese)
2005 Space Invaders
2004 Spider-Man 2
2005 Spongebob Squarepants DS (Japanese)
2004 Sprung
2005 Spyro (tentative title)
2005 Spyro RPG
2005 Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
2004 Super Mario 64 DS
2005 Super Mario Bros. DS
2005 Super Princess Peach (Japanese)
2005 Survival Kids (Japanese)
Tendo Dokuta (Japanese)
2005 Tennis no Ouji-Sama 2005 Crystal Drive (Japanese)
2005 Texas Hold Em
2005 The Game of Life DS (Japanese)
2005 The Incredible Hulk
TBA The Legend of Zelda DS
2004 The Urbz: Sims in the City
2004 Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005
2005 Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory
2005 Ultimate Brain Games
2005 Ultimate Card Games
2005 Ultimate Pocket Games
2004 Urban GT
2005 Uruseiyatsura (Japanese)
2005 Vandal Hearts (Japanese)
2005 Viewtiful Joe
2005 WarioWare: Touched!
2005 WINX (Japanese)
2005 World Championship Poker
2005 World Soccer Winning Eleven series (Japanese)
TBA Xenosaga
2005 Yakuman DS (Japanese)
2005 Yoshi Touch & Go
2005 Yu-Gi-Oh! Nightmare Troubadour
2005 Zoo Keeper
2005 Zoo Tycoon


Age of Empires, w00t :)

[benpatient]

don't forget gran turismo

(GT4 is amazing, by the way)

[virividox]

psp is great!!!

[GFLPraxis]

i don't think i could have done that with the DS.

Just want to point out that you can buy a cheap adapter that lets you plug CF cards into the DS and play videos and music. Smaller screen though, but CF cards are a lot cheaper than MS.


Also, this single pak multiplayer thing seem like a possibility on the PSP, there is a "game sharing" option in the main menu of the PSP.


I'm a little skeptical about this, simply because a PSP disk holds 1.8 GB. Due to the higher quality models, its a LOT more data to transfer over the wireless connection to play multiplayer (especially since the PSP only has 32 MB of RAM. I realize that is considerably more than the DS, but compared to the amount on the disk, that means that there will be a lot of loading since it can't fit much more than the game engine and a single stage, and the wireless means the loading will be slooow).

The DS takes long enough to load in single pack mode with the wireless connection, I can only imagine how long it would take to load a PSP game in single pak mode.



If you are a Mac user, I presume you are not just using Macs because of the brand name, it's because they are genuinely better products than Wintel based computers. Sony has dumped nearly every ounce of their expertise into this machine, Minidisc technology, power consumption, miniturisation... i could go on.

People don't use Macs because the hardware is more powerful than equivilant priced x86 systems. People use Macs because they are much more innovative. At least I do.

I consider the PSP to have the more powerful hardware, and the DS to have the more innovative gameplay.

Just...don't pull the, "If you're a Mac user, you should use this console!" card. Just don't.


the graphics are better than DS too... just look at these:

DS:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/reviews/924896_20041122_screen001.jpg

PSP:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2004/screen0/920779_20041210_screen004.jpg


no comparison.

Well of course, comparing the specs, but thats because the DS is designed on a different level. It's a full $100 cheaper ($150 vs $250), nearly half the price.

And the touch screen is simply incredible on some games.

I'm not telling you to sell your PSP and buy a DS, but I AM saying that the PSP is not absolutely better. They're two completely different things. The PSP is for playing console-type games on the go, the DS is an innovative way of playing mobile games.

The games that will be available on the PSP are the same stuff that I can play on my console, which is why I am staying with my DS. When I'm on the go I want a different type of game than I want on a sit-down console. But some people WANT to take console games on the go, so they can get a PSP.

[Drgnhntr]

Not sure why a PSP thread almost always turns into a comparison to the DS. They are totally different systems with different game play potential. The DS is nintendo's "third pillar", which means that it is not the gameboy successor. The gameboy "evolution" is the next gameboy and will be very similar to the PSP but at least a year late. Sony beat Nintendo to the punch (again) and they have a decent head start on the next gameboy.

[GFLPraxis]

Not sure why a PSP thread almost always turns into a comparison to the DS. They are totally different systems with different game play potential. The DS is nintendo's "third pillar", which means that it is not the gameboy successor. The gameboy "evolution" is the next gameboy and will be very similar to the PSP but at least a year late. Sony beat Nintendo to the punch (again) and they have a decent head start on the next gameboy.

My suspicion is that the GBE will launch when the technology in the PSP is cheap enough to sell at $99 ($149 max).

Nintendo has never (IIRC) launched a handheld at a higher price than that.

[kuyu]

These two systems are both excellent products. Both appear to be great gaming platforms. However, the difference appears to be more philosophical than anything. Sony and Nintendo have different long-term strategies. Sony, with the PSP's technical prowess and the PS3's cell chip, is obviously trying to "super spec" their way into the future.

Nintendo, on the other hand, thinks todays gaming paradigm is waning. They feel that the future of games isn't in technical power, but rather in expanding the market to new gamers. Take girls, for example. My girlfriend plays video games every day... on her Super Nintendo. I have every current game system there is, and she couldn't care less. Why? The "super specs" of current-gen consoles don't interest her in the least. She doesn't want the most "realistic" experience imaginable. She just wants to have fun. I can say from experience (having beat Doom III and HL2) that graphics don't equal fun. Doom III played like a chore, and I've spent 10 hours with UT04 for every one spent with the uber-hyped Source engine.

Nintendo gets this. Sony does not. Sure there are many gamers that want games to look, sound, and feel like real life. However, most people don't. If I want to see what football looks like on the PS5, I'll go outside and throw one with somebody.

Basically, Sony believes that the future of gaming lies in giving the current audience what they want: more powerful systems, better graphics, and the same tired gaming paradigms. In contrast, Nintendo wants to bring new gamers to the table by giving people like my girlfriend (and 50 million people like her) a reason to buy a new system... fun games.

Personally, I think Nintendo will win this battle. I've played PS3/xbox2 games (HL2), and frankly they're kind of the same old thing with better graphics. The better graphics thing wears off after about 5 minutes. Glad I spent $500 on an X800 :(

I'm happy that nintendo is shaking things up. Gaming has gotten stale. Somewhere along the way, we have become more concerned with polygon counts than with having a good time. This happened because most of us over 20 remember atari graphics, and we are blown away by the huge increase in graphics. However, todays tweens have never known a world without 3D, high polygon, texture mapped video games. As they grow older, graphics won't impress them the way they impress us. Nintendo knows this, and they are busy creating new experiences instead of making the same old game with a new gfx engine.

[neoelectronaut]

These two systems are both excellent products. Both appear to be great gaming platforms. However, the difference appears to be more philosophical than anything. Sony and Nintendo have different long-term strategies. Sony, with the PSP's technical prowess and the PS3's cell chip, is obviously trying to "super spec" their way into the future.

Nintendo, on the other hand, thinks todays gaming paradigm is waning. They feel that the future of games isn't in technical power, but rather in expanding the market to new gamers. Take girls, for example. My girlfriend plays video games every day... on her Super Nintendo. I have every current game system there is, and she couldn't care less. Why? The "super specs" of current-gen consoles don't interest her in the least. She doesn't want the most "realistic" experience imaginable. She just wants to have fun. I can say from experience (having beat Doom III and HL2) that graphics don't equal fun. Doom III played like a chore, and I've spent 10 hours with UT04 for every one spent with the uber-hyped Source engine.

Nintendo gets this. Sony does not. Sure there are many gamers that want games to look, sound, and feel like real life. However, most people don't. If I want to see what football looks like on the PS5, I'll go outside and throw one with somebody.

Basically, Sony believes that the future of gaming lies in giving the current audience what they want: more powerful systems, better graphics, and the same tired gaming paradigms. In contrast, Nintendo wants to bring new gamers to the table by giving people like my girlfriend (and 50 million people like her) a reason to buy a new system... fun games.

Personally, I think Nintendo will win this battle. I've played PS3/xbox2 games (HL2), and frankly they're kind of the same old thing with better graphics. The better graphics thing wears off after about 5 minutes. Glad I spent $500 on an X800 :(

I'm happy that nintendo is shaking things up. Gaming has gotten stale. Somewhere along the way, we have become more concerned with polygon counts than with having a good time. This happened because most of us over 20 remember atari graphics, and we are blown away by the huge increase in graphics. However, todays tweens have never known a world without 3D, high polygon, texture mapped video games. As they grow older, graphics won't impress them the way they impress us. Nintendo knows this, and they are busy creating new experiences instead of making the same old game with a new gfx engine.

Thank you.

Thank you for understanding and thank you for speaking the truth.

I'm just a little sick and tired of reading in this thread "OMG I PLAYED THE PSP TODAY I IMMEDIATELY PUT MY DS UP ON EBAY."

Better Graphics does not equal better games.

Also, while the PSP is a portable PS2, the DS tries to be something that's new, fresh and innovative.

[shortyjj]

Thank you.

Better Graphics does not equal better games.

Also, while the PSP is a portable PS2, the DS tries to be something that's new, fresh and innovative.

Yes yes and yes, I'd probably have more fun playing Zelda or Metroid on the NES again than I did playing Halo 2, but I'd still like to know why the stale lineup of the PS2 outsold (by orders of magnitude) that of the Gamecube. Sadly, neither myself nor anybody I know has played through Zelda: Windwaker or Metroid Prime.

Also, to those who are passing down their Super Nintendo to members of Nintendo's "new audience": do you think they will eventually end up buying another system?

Personally, I won't be able to resist the huge jump in technology that the PSP brings, and the iPSP app is just icing on the cake.

[GFLPraxis]

These two systems are both excellent products. Both appear to be great gaming platforms. However, the difference appears to be more philosophical than anything. Sony and Nintendo have different long-term strategies. Sony, with the PSP's technical prowess and the PS3's cell chip, is obviously trying to "super spec" their way into the future.

Nintendo, on the other hand, thinks todays gaming paradigm is waning. They feel that the future of games isn't in technical power, but rather in expanding the market to new gamers. Take girls, for example. My girlfriend plays video games every day... on her Super Nintendo. I have every current game system there is, and she couldn't care less. Why? The "super specs" of current-gen consoles don't interest her in the least. She doesn't want the most "realistic" experience imaginable. She just wants to have fun. I can say from experience (having beat Doom III and HL2) that graphics don't equal fun. Doom III played like a chore, and I've spent 10 hours with UT04 for every one spent with the uber-hyped Source engine.

Nintendo gets this. Sony does not. Sure there are many gamers that want games to look, sound, and feel like real life. However, most people don't. If I want to see what football looks like on the PS5, I'll go outside and throw one with somebody.

Basically, Sony believes that the future of gaming lies in giving the current audience what they want: more powerful systems, better graphics, and the same tired gaming paradigms. In contrast, Nintendo wants to bring new gamers to the table by giving people like my girlfriend (and 50 million people like her) a reason to buy a new system... fun games.

Personally, I think Nintendo will win this battle. I've played PS3/xbox2 games (HL2), and frankly they're kind of the same old thing with better graphics. The better graphics thing wears off after about 5 minutes. Glad I spent $500 on an X800 :(

I'm happy that nintendo is shaking things up. Gaming has gotten stale. Somewhere along the way, we have become more concerned with polygon counts than with having a good time. This happened because most of us over 20 remember atari graphics, and we are blown away by the huge increase in graphics. However, todays tweens have never known a world without 3D, high polygon, texture mapped video games. As they grow older, graphics won't impress them the way they impress us. Nintendo knows this, and they are busy creating new experiences instead of making the same old game with a new gfx engine.


Can we get a round of applause for kuyu?

[GFLPraxis]

Speaking of innovation and Nintendo...
I'm interested in the Revolution.

There is very little solid information. The most 'solid' info is that he controllers will be gyroscopic (IIRC because of not just leaks, which can be unreliable, but also because Nintendo was making deals with a gyroscope company).

I agree with IGN. The Revolution will be a turning point, which will make the difference between whether Nintendo gets slaughtered in the console market or remains on top.

The PS3 will probably have the best graphics.
IF the Nintendo Revolution lives up to Nintendo's promises and really does have some revolutionary, new, innovative form of gameplay (beyond even the incredible gameplay bonuses of gyroscopic controllers), then the Revolution will have incredible gameplay, the PS3 the best graphics, and the XBox 2...will get burned at the stake having the worst of everything.

IF the Nintendo Revolution fails, the XBox 2 and PS3 completely blow Nintendo out of the console market and they may even stop making consoles and only do handhelds if its bad enough.


Nintendo has learned from the mistakes of the DS though. They've already said they realize the need for an excellent lineup and will have a very good lineup planned. The leaks say a Mario, Zelda, and Super Smash Bros title at launch.
I really hope the gyroscopic controllers is true. Can you imagine the possibilities? :eek:

[Vader]

I will definately pre-order my PSP tomorrow!
They are sweet!

[ZildjianKX]

Better Graphics does not equal better games.

I couldn't agree with you more. I'm a huge Nintendo fan, but the DS game quality has been very lacking. I want Mario Paint! :)

[joey4127]

I think I'm gonna go get a PSP tomorrow...(I'm in Japan at the moment) ;)

[risc]

I think I'm gonna go get a PSP tomorrow...(I'm in Japan at the moment) ;)

If you like puzzle games get Lumines it's the best puzzle game I've ever played!

[Dagless]

Anyone that buys a DS over a PSP needs their head examining...

yea id pay a stupid amount of money for a portable version of an already overpriced console. it offers nothing over a PS2, only a small screen, no vibration-controlers (if you count the vibration from the CD drive).

maybe i think too much in logic but the DS is a better deal. it actually offers something NEW (ZOMG! innovation) to the gaming market.

my only gripe with the DS is the looks. but how on earth can you make dual screens streamlined and smooth? and when did the looks of a console effect the gameplay? oh yea! when chav's took over.

ps. Warioware Touched is possibly the single most addictive game ever. including Tetris and Smash Bros Melee.

[Dagless]

Actually, the PSP waters down a few games to make them save battery life (Metal Gear is a turn based card based RPG game! LOL).

But yeah, I know exactly how you feel. I don't want to spend money to buy console games over again, and have a weaker experience (smaller screen, lack of sizable joysticks) when I can get games actually designed for it's own system.

And you'd be surprised at some of the GBA games. I have nearly 60 hours logged in MegaMan Battle Network 3 (that game is AWESOME). It goes on for dozens of hours after you've beaten it, with incredibly hard uberbosses popping up after the final one, and you having to find tons of stuff. One of the best RPG games around.

Mobile games for me should be different types of games than Console ones.

... agreed. I love my GBA, probably the most played of all the gaming platforms i own. thanks to Golden Sun, Advance Wars, Pokemon Ruby and FireRed, Metroid Fusion and Zero Mission, Yoshi's Island, Mario World, Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga, Zelda Minish Cap... etc. and its all good.
Nintendo know how to do console games, especially party (4 player madness) games but they REALLY know handheld. they know there is a difference between console and handheld and they keep it that way.

just a pity my DS battery gets a minimum of 10 hours play. against my GBA's 13 hours... i just couldnt imagine anything less than 8.

GBA2 should be interesting. back down to single screens too.

[Sutekidane]

I got a PSP recently with Minna No Golf and Metal Gear Ac!d. It's been pretty fun, but I've already had to take it apart to remove dust that was under the screen. It pretty much came like that. I have no dead pixels but the dust on the screen is getting pretty annoying. On top of that the entire front of it scratches easily and gets loaded with fingerprints. Its a lot of fun though, I'm really glad I sold my DS on ebay and got this.

[risc]

I got a PSP recently with Minna No Golf and Metal Gear Ac!d.

Sorry to hear about the dust under the screen, my PSP arrived in perfect order although I had heard about the dust problem. I know both games you bought are in Japanese but I really like the look of Minna No Golf is it easy to play, I mean can you get through the Japanese easily enough? If so I might grab a copy rather than waiting 3 or 4 months for the US version.

[eclipse525]

Talk to your mates wirelessly, can play movies music... not to mention the cool games! It also has one of the most innovative control systems ever! Nintendo are like Apple only for consoles/handhelds! :cool:

First off, who the heck chats and plays with others on handhelds. VERY few people. That goes the same with movies. No matter what features they incorporate, the thing that will ultimately decided whether it will succeed is the GAMES! Plain and simple. Great games, great console sales. No need to over think this one. So far, for as little amount of games they have announced, what ever will be released, is way better than what is available for the DS. No contest.


~e

[Lacero]

How much are the game cartridges? If it's over $30, forget it. No PSP for me!

[Vader]

I think they will be about $40, but right now they are $50.

[Sutekidane]

I hate real life golf and have never played a golf game before, let alone a japanese one. I find Minna No Golf pretty entertaining. Moreso than Metal Gear Ac!d since I hate the entire series. It's pretty Japanese heavy but the game is simple enough and most of the menus are easy to remember. I highly recommend it importing it, as I heard that they are changing the characters in the US release for some reason.

[GFLPraxis]

How much are the game cartridges? If it's over $30, forget it. No PSP for me!
cartridges? PSP comes on disks.

[Vader]

Yes, UMDs
Movie UMDs (http://www.i4u.com/article2918.html)

[risc]

I hate real life golf and have never played a golf game before, let alone a japanese one. I find Minna No Golf pretty entertaining. Moreso than Metal Gear Ac!d since I hate the entire series. It's pretty Japanese heavy but the game is simple enough and most of the menus are easy to remember. I highly recommend it importing it, as I heard that they are changing the characters in the US release for some reason.

Thanks I'll order it from lik now then.

[eclipse525]

So, I hear the first 1 million PSP's will come with "Spiderman2" the movie. My question is that, "Will it come with a game by default?". I mean, that would make more sense, than a movie, don't you think? <head shaking>


~e

[Vader]

They know people will buy the games, but they want you to get hooked with a movie too.

[Sutekidane]

I think they are including a movie to really push the multimedia capabilities of the PSP. I guess people will buy the psp, be too broke to buy any games for it, pop in the movie, watch it and then be so happy with the quality/useability and then buy more movies.

[Vader]

I think they are including a movie to really push the multimedia capabilities of the PSP. I guess people will buy the psp, be too broke to buy any games for it, pop in the movie, watch it and then be so happy with the quality/useability and then buy more movies.
My thoughts exactly.