M&M and Moby confrontation at VMA... [Archive]

3rdpath

Aug 30, 2002, 04:31 PM

Originally posted by krossfyter

true dat...

but did you catch the guy with the bucket on his head ...thier guitarist.... guys name is "BUCKETHEAD" . he is one of the most genius overlooked guitarist of our times.

i love buckethead..anyone who wears a KFC bucket better be talented....everything i've read about him has been very positive...kind of a "rain man" with a guitar...he's a cult figure here in L.a.--supposed to have an amazing toy collection.

Choppaface

Aug 30, 2002, 04:34 PM

mtv is just not watchable anymore.....

vniow

Aug 30, 2002, 04:37 PM

Hear, hear. Choppaface, you speak the truth. :)

job

Aug 30, 2002, 04:38 PM

mtv....wha?

tv.......eh?

i have neither.

Rower_CPU

Aug 30, 2002, 05:00 PM

I watched the full show...it was a rapid descent after Jimmy Fallon's opening number.

eminem is all about controversy. If people stop hating him, they'll start ignoring him and his career will go down the toilet. I'd expect to see more of the same, if not escalation of his antics.

Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera are having a competition to see who can look the sluttiest...Christina won.

G&R was...well, not G&R. I couldn't even tell it was Axel most of the time. He sounded like Steve Ballmer, all out of breath running around the stage. Buckethead was the best part of that set.

Jimmy did a good job hosting...didn't pull any punches, went right after the big names.

jelloshotsrule

Aug 30, 2002, 05:03 PM

i can't believe that dashboard confessional won an award

that's just funny

britney's a dirty little whore

King Cobra

Aug 30, 2002, 05:10 PM

>(3rdpath) what a putz....the guys got so much attitude and NO TALENT...

Like him or not, do NOT mock the talent of Eminem. It takes a lot of intelligence to rhyme like he does, and I know how to do that.

>(jello)moby's cool. not b...

Before I continue the quote, I gotta ask: Will you still incorporate your support for the Green party with your, uh, new avatar?

Anyways... :D

>(jello)moby's cool. not big on his music though. like him more as a person. from what i know about him

Did you know Moby did drugs from 10 to 13 years of age?

Moby isn't too bad. However, for my taste, I only like the most popular songs that come from his CDs, mostly "We Are All Made Of Stars" and "Southside". There are a few others, but I don't want to list them right now.

vniow

Aug 30, 2002, 05:11 PM

I gave up on MTV a long time ago. It's not even MUSIC television anymore, all they show is teenybobber bullmilk. My sister watches it all the time and it annoys the hell out of me. The only reason to watch any awards show in my opinion are the performances. Sometimes they're pretty cool, as for the ones on the VMAs, I wouldn't know, I didn't watch it. Oh well, it's my loss anywayz.:p
The radio sucks too alond with about 95% of metal. The only ways to get access to decent music nowadays are being shut down by the RIAA (or they're trying at least.:p) End of rant:)

barkmonster

Aug 30, 2002, 05:23 PM

Eminem is just a wanker, Vanilla ice version 2 with a tiny amount of credibility because dr. dre produces his music and stan was kind of catchy.

M&M and Moby confrontation at VMA...

What, those little chocolate guys on the adverts are real ? They should stop using them in the TV commercials now, the one with them in tents eating little M&Ms is promoting canibalism :D

jelloshotsrule

Aug 30, 2002, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by King Cobra
Like him or not, do NOT mock the talent of Eminem. It takes a lot of intelligence to rhyme like he does, and I know how to do that.

>(jello)moby's cool. not b...

Before I continue the quote, I gotta ask: Will you still incorporate your support for the Green party with your, uh, new avatar?

Anyways... :D

>(jello)moby's cool. not big on his music though. like him more as a person. from what i know about him

Did you know Moby did drugs from 10 to 13 years of age?

Moby isn't too bad. However, for my taste, I only like the most popular songs that come from his CDs, mostly "We Are All Made Of Stars" and "Southside". There are a few others, but I don't want to list them right now.

hahaha. talent to rhyme. even if that's the case, then there are tons of people with more "talent" than eminem on the streets. and a lot of them wouldn't feel the need to be such an ass all the time

the nader avatar was about a joke i had with cleo about her making a green party tar with nader eating a veggie hot dog back before she had a tar. so i delivered what she couldn't. ha. though she did give me props for it.

people aren't bad just because they do drugs. and notice, if he stopped at age 13. he has learned something eh? how bout linkin park and korn and limp bizkit brah? you think they don't do drugs, currently?

moby is a big supporter of environmental groups and is a vegetarian. things i can see eye to eye with him on. he's also bald. so that's cool

people who are straightedge when they're 15 or 18 or 22 often end up drunks by the time they're 25 or 30. so maybe it's better to get that streak over with when you're young and learn from it than to wait until you might be too old to get through it

etc

ShaolinMiddleFinger

Aug 30, 2002, 05:39 PM

I can't believe I forgot about it. Damn!

I want to see Axl, I want to see Triumph, I want to see slutty Christina and Britney.

Oh well, it airs again tomorrow.

edesignuk

Aug 30, 2002, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by ShaolinMiddleFinger
I want to see slutty Christina and Britney.

lol! britney's dressed like one of the Village People :D and Christina..I havn't seen her yet, but hey, it all GOOD! :D :D ;)
* drools *

jelloshotsrule

Aug 30, 2002, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by ShaolinMiddleFinger
Oh well, it airs again tomorrow.

probably about 10 times

gotta love those sluts

edesignuk

Aug 30, 2002, 05:53 PM

OMG! Christina's just come on to present an award, and OMG, what a slut! LOVE IT! :D ;) :p

ShaolinMiddleFinger

Aug 30, 2002, 08:22 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing Britney Spears and Christina Aguillera having a cat fight... Damn, that'd be fly!

BTW, for the people that saw the ending with GNR, would you say that it was as good as when Slash was part of the band?

krossfyter

Aug 30, 2002, 08:46 PM

yeah i agree mtv sux.... nothing new there.... but what was new was the video taped (now edited out) controversy between emeniem and moby. i respect mony a lot... i especially dig his values/morals and how he does not compromise them in the business....amongs other thing. and he is definitly more creative and intellegent then that adolescent, anger management challenged kid named eminem.

did you all see what happened??? really... the non edited version?? eminem stuck the finger out at mony right in front of his face... i can show you a pic to prove it... if you all havent seen it yet. thats childish.

Durandal7

Aug 30, 2002, 08:52 PM

The Michael Jackson incident was friggin hilarious though :D

3rdpath

Aug 30, 2002, 10:01 PM

micheal jackson seemed confused....

and here's marshall showing his IQ to moby

krossfyter

Aug 30, 2002, 10:13 PM

there you go... i was appalled to even show it but.. yep there it is.

jackass. i hope eminem pisses off someone that will kick his as*. mobys too nice.

vniow

Aug 30, 2002, 10:18 PM

Gawd, what an immature, childish and stupid thing to do. I sorta respected Emenim before (even though I was never a fan and didn't agree with everything he said) but now he's lost it.:mad:
Oh well. At least his maturity level is the same as his fan's now. :p

What a jackass.

jelloshotsrule

Aug 30, 2002, 10:25 PM

wow. what a damned fool

doesn't surprise me though

Rower_CPU

Aug 30, 2002, 10:40 PM

The difficult thing to tell is where the person ends and the persona begins...

I can't/don't believe that anyone can be that much of an ass all the time. I'm pretty sure that some of it, if not all, is an act to get more attention through controversy. Attention equals free advertising equals more sales.

I see it as a simple ploy to gain notoriety for the purposes of cashing in...:rolleyes:

jelloshotsrule

Aug 30, 2002, 10:43 PM

along the lines of what you said rower...

this is from an article on mtv.com about it

"Even Eminem loosened up a bit. The night's big winner (see "Eminem Takes Home Most Moonmen From Video Music Awards") may have let Slim Shady come out onstage, threatening to punch Moby while accepting the Best Male Video honor, but backstage he was just plain ol' Marshall Mathers, seemingly squashing any beef he had with another person he blasted on wax. Click here for the complete 2002 MTV VMA Winners List. Walking out of sight of the audience and cameras, Eminem was engaging in a spirited conversation with award presenter Christina Aguilera that at initial glance could have easily been construed as an argument. However, once the rapper said his peace and Christina voiced on her opinions, Em, who was nodding his head and looked to be agreeing with the singer, opened his arms just as she was about to walk away and the two actually briefly embraced.

"I'm cool, it's cool," Eminem, who was immune to the boo birds he heard onstage, said seconds later to his manager Paul Rosenburg, who was offering words of encouragement. "

so yeah... was it all just an act....

vniow

Aug 30, 2002, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

I see it as a simple ploy to gain notoriety for the purposes of cashing in...:rolleyes:

I disagree. I don't think it's about money, I think it's about his persona. He most likely has a private persona and a puplic persona (sorta like Ed V'niow and Veronica:D ) and he feels that he has to keep it up to maintain his image. Musicians aren't in it for the money. There's about one in a couple thousand chance that you're going to get any bit of exposure on MTV and the same drive that's pushing those MTV artists are pushing the Santa Cruz street musician. MTV's all about image and not about substance. :mad:

3rdpath

Aug 30, 2002, 10:58 PM

from Moby's website....

"so, i, uh, guess that i have to write something about the eminem/vma debacle.
hmmm....well, what should i write?
the truth?
the truth is that i honestly, in all sincerity, thought that the whole eminem thing was done in some semblance of humor until eminem called me a ***** (that was off camera) and then threatened to beat me up. ah well.

oh, by the way, i posted about a million photos of my vma night. go look at moby art and see my frivolous vma photos. they're frivolous.
more truth?
i think that eminem is talented and interesting but i'm kind of stunned at the anger that he has for me seeing as i'd never met him up until last night.

and i love 'triumph the insult comic dog'.
and i was more concerned for triumph's well-being.if eminem wants to pick on someone, fine, pick on me, but don't diss the dog-puppet. triumph the dog-puppet is my hero.
that's the sole reason that i went to the vma's.
cos i love that little dog-puppet.
and jimmy fallon's intro was utterly outstanding.
and the strokes after party performance was wonderful.
thanks,
moby"

Rower_CPU

Aug 30, 2002, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by edvniow
I disagree. I don't think it's about money, I think it's about his persona. He most likely has a private persona and a puplic persona (sorta like Ed V'niow and Veronica:D ) and he feels that he has to keep it up to maintain his image. Musicians aren't in it for the money. There's about one in a couple thousand chance that you're going to get any bit of exposure on MTV and the same drive that's pushing those MTV artists are pushing the Santa Cruz street musician. MTV's all about image and not about substance. :mad:

Good points, and I think we actually agree more than you think.:)

Musicians aren't in it for the money...but who says that everyone on MTV is a musician.;) The trend I've seen in more "artists" coming out who fit the mold and will be "sellable".

After all, if the music industry were still about music, why would the RIAA fighting so hard to prevent MP3 swapping and internet broadcasts?

solvs

Aug 30, 2002, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by ShaolinMiddleFinger

BTW, for the people that saw the ending with GNR, would you say that it was as good as when Slash was part of the band?

No.

Eminem and Axl have a lot in common. Probably nice guys if you know them, have (mostly untapped or unused) talent, and have to shoot off their big mouths, saying really stupid things that get them free advertising at first, then ultimately alienate people to the point that they no longer care. Notice he starts complaining about everyone talking about him, long after everyone stopped talking about him. Then he gives them more to talk about on stage, then turns into a completely different person backstage.

Regardless of what you think of MM, Axl, or Moby as artists or people, controversy only gets you so far. Unfortunetly talent only goes so far too. It's all in the Marketing. I predict Moby will just sit back and still collect $$$ long after he stops performing and producing. Axl will piss more people off with his "I'm a cool, druggy, fallout from the 80's" shtick and fall back into oblivion. Very soon we will see MM on a "VH1 Behind the Music". Moby and Bobcat (who made fun of homo-phobic and racial slurs Axl made) were right, Slim Shady and Axl are both misongynists.

Marshall Mathers, on the other hand, is gay. Definitely a big homosexual.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

vniow

Aug 30, 2002, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

Good points, and I think we actually agree more than you think.:)

Musicians aren't in it for the money...but who says that everyone on MTV is a musician.;) The trend I've seen in more "artists" coming out who fit the mold and will be "sellable".

After all, if the music industry were still about music, why would the RIAA fighting so hard to prevent MP3 swapping and internet broadcasts?

True. Oh so true. The RIAA is just about equal to M$ in my book and the P2P sites wouldn't have flourished if musicians didn't really care about music. (there's a great article by Janis Ian on this, read it if you can find it.) I think we're all in agreement that MTV sux, so I won't even go into that. It was a good idea in the beginning and I'm a big fan of music videos in general, but it sold out a long time ago. I think P2P, internet radio and possibly satellite radio are the means to get access to great music in the future. If I ever get signed to a record label, I'll stay as far away from the RIAA as possible. Music is in a state of change and those who don't jump on the bandwagon are going to be left behind.
Sux for them. :p

3rdpath

Aug 30, 2002, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

Musicians aren't in it for the money...

your statement really seems to trivialize the possibility that being a musician is a legit job. a professional musician does do it for the money...just like any other professional does( sports, shoe repair, cook, cpa...) if you happen to like computers and are a really good programmer--wouldn't you like to make a living doing it? whats the difference?

also, and i'm not a fan of the RIAA or the major labels( i've been signed twice...) but i'm also not a fan of the free exchange of copyrighted material--if it's against the creator's wishes...i don't truly expect to change anyone's mind here, but i would like to point out that there is someone you exchange ideas with on a daily basis( me, here at macrumors) who's income and livelyhood is affected by P2P. i have a wife, a daughter, a mortgage...etc...its not a victimless crime. the industry is changing-and i'm all for it. but the bottom line is..its good to respect the creator's intent.

Rower_CPU

Aug 31, 2002, 12:11 AM

Originally posted by 3rdpath
your statement really seems to trivialize the possibility that being a musician is a legit job. a professional musician does do it for the money...just like any other professional does( sports, shoe repair, cook, cpa...) if you happen to like computers and are a really good programmer--wouldn't you like to make a living doing it? whats the difference?

also, and i'm not a fan of the RIAA or the major labels( i've been signed twice...) but i'm also not a fan of the free exchange of copyrighted material--if it's against the creator's wishes...i don't truly expect to change anyone's mind here, but i would like to point out that there is someone you exchange ideas with on a daily basis( me, here at macrumors) who's income and livelyhood is affected by P2P. i have a wife, a daughter, a mortgage...etc...its not a victimless crime. the industry is changing-and i'm all for it. but the bottom line is..its good to respect the creator's intent.

I'm sorry, in retrospect I would say that I overgeneralized.

Obviously people try to make money at things they're good at and love to do. But someone who honestly cares about the music they make doesn't sign away all artistic control to a major record label. There are people who have found that their musical skills are marketable, and are milking every last cent out of it. They care little for the quality of their music, just that it sells well and their concerts are well attended.

I appreciate and admire small artists who do what they want and create the music they love. There are few artists with major labels that fulfill this requirement for me.

So, let me rephrase: True musicians aren't in it for the money exclusively, they're in it for the love of their music.

I never said I condone file swapping, just that the RIAA is after the ones doing it. But honestly, how many small, struggling artists are on P2P networks? Very few. At the same time, the damage done to them is far greater than that done to the "big artists". P2P when done responsibly can be a great tool. I merely brought it up to show that the RIAA, which, by default, speaks for the artists on major record labels, is only looking at their shrinking profits and pointing out an easy scapegoat.

Nipsy

Aug 31, 2002, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by 3rdpath

i'm not a big moby fan but i will say that moby has more talent in his foreskin than eminem will ever have.

What if he's circumcised?

whfsdude

Aug 31, 2002, 12:16 AM

hehe that was nothing I want to see a Manson/Creed confrontation :D

3rdpath

Aug 31, 2002, 01:12 AM

rower,
thanks for the clarification...just happens to be my sore-spot:) its all part of the art/commerce connundrum (sp?). i really don't see any need for the double standard. if apple hired me because i could write amazing OS code that they thought the world would purchase by the truckload--wouldn't they milk every living creative drop from me...people wouldn't complain-assuming apple paid me fairly. and would i, as a programmer, be selling out by writing my code to a standard that apple felt was marketable? i always have the choice of not working for apple...its not any different in the music business. whether i like it or not, it is a business. people need to consider the source before they complain about the goods they receive--the major labels for the most part are just the macdonalds and burger kings of music. fast, easy and what we settle for when we don't want to search out for something better.

the RIAA/P2P stuff was actually replying to some other posts in this thread...i do agree that it can be a great form of marketing--just as long as the owner of the information approves of it being openly shared. big artists or small, no one wants their creations nicked.

once again, thanks for the clarification.

Durandal7

Aug 31, 2002, 01:39 AM

I think Eminem is just upset because Moby is using words he doesn't understand like "misogynist"

Rower_CPU

Aug 31, 2002, 01:56 AM

Originally posted by 3rdpath
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people need to consider the source before they complain about the goods they receive--the major labels for the most part are just the macdonalds and burger kings of music. fast, easy and what we settle for when we don't want to search out for something better.
…

Great analogy, you really hit the nail on the head.

We are in complete agreement there.:)

Hemingray

Aug 31, 2002, 02:20 AM

Okay guys, you can take ALL of 'em and flush 'em down the toilet. :rolleyes:

ShaolinMiddleFinger

Aug 31, 2002, 06:06 PM

I just saw the edited version....man, they completely edited it out. If you still want to see it, it's on MTV.com

Quick note: I just saw the shot where Christina Aguillera was walking down the stairs to present the best male performer award....she looks yummy!

job

Aug 31, 2002, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by ShaolinMiddleFinger

Quick note: I just saw the shot where Christina Aguillera was walking down the stairs to present the best male performer award....she looks yummy!

post a pic!! ;)

Rower_CPU

Aug 31, 2002, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by hitman
post a pic!! ;)

You asked for it: It's Biker Barbie Britney and Holy Crap Christina...

ShaolinMiddleFinger

Aug 31, 2002, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by hitman

post a pic!! ;)

I would but i'm not recording the show....sorry.

If you want a more detailed version: it was just a close up shot of her breasts walking down. I know it's immature of me but hey, that's just me.

I'm waiting for GNR....

edesignuk

Aug 31, 2002, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

You asked for it: It's Biker Barbie Britney and Holy Crap Christina...
mmmm...either will do 4 me ;) Actually, in those pics I think Britney get my vote, Christina looks like a cheap slut. She looked MUCH better last year when she did Come on over Feat. Fred Durst.

ShaolinMiddleFinger

Aug 31, 2002, 06:47 PM

I just saw the GNR ending. It's fricking great. Buckethead is a good replacement for Slash. The only bad thing about it was Axl Roses singing. He doesn't sing as good as he used to. Maybe it was because his monitor kept on falling off but it didn't sound like he used to.

BTW: Does anyone know the name of the song that GNR sang between Welcome To The Jungle and Paradise City? I know it's from their new cd which will probably never come out.....

job

Aug 31, 2002, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by verbose101

mmmm...either will do 4 me ;) Actually, in those pics I think Britney get my vote, Christina looks like a cheap slut. She looked MUCH better last year when she did Come on over Feat. Fred Durst.

hmmm....

i wonder if they are playing "100 and 1 ways to be a slut.."

krossfyter

Sep 1, 2002, 03:28 PM

Buckethead kicks arse man!

both Britney and Christinia are shallow and lack artistry. They both are pre fabricated coporate whores....with Britney being the biggest of both. (Although Christina has a better singing voice then Britney)

P.J. Harvey... now theres a real woman musician.

edesignuk

Sep 1, 2002, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by krossfyter
They both are pre fabricated coporate whores....with Britney being the biggest of both.
Maybe...but would you honestly say no ;) :D

krossfyter

Sep 1, 2002, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by verbose101

Maybe...but would you honestly say no ;) :D

say no to what? :)

Hemingray

Sep 1, 2002, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Hemingray
Okay guys, you can take ALL of 'em and flush 'em down the toilet. :rolleyes:

I, um, hereby exempt Britney and Christina from my previous statement. :D

ShaolinMiddleFinger

Sep 2, 2002, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by verbose101

Maybe...but would you honestly say no ;) :D

I would never say "no," I would probably say, "Ma'am, can I have some more"

diorio

Sep 4, 2002, 03:58 PM

As long as people violently oppose eminem, he will keep rapping about anything he wants. He feeds on controversy. He may not have any talent, but people listen to him because he will say stupid stuff that nobody else is stupid enough to say.

alex_ant

Sep 4, 2002, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by 3rdpath

i love buckethead..anyone who wears a KFC bucket better be talented....everything i've read about him has been very positive...kind of a "rain man" with a guitar...he's a cult figure here in L.a.--supposed to have an amazing toy collection.
I heard Buckethead was Joe Satriani. :)

alex_ant

Sep 4, 2002, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by King Cobra
Like him or not, do NOT mock the talent of Eminem. It takes a lot of intelligence to rhyme like he does, and I know how to do that.
I will have to disagree about it taking lots of intelligence to rhyme well... mostly, it just takes practice, just like any other acquired skill. It would be really impressive if he were improvising his lyrics, winging his performances, but AFAIK he doesn't do that. With the time and determination, I think just about any native English speaker could sign up for a creative writing track at their local community college and produce works just as impressive as Eminem's.

3rdpath

Sep 4, 2002, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by alex_ant

I heard Buckethead was Joe Satriani. :)

the general opinion is he's an unknown guy by the name of brian carroll. he first got notice in a band from san francisco called the " deli creeps ".

check out www.bucketheadland.com for some info.

alex_ant

Sep 4, 2002, 04:40 PM

Hmm, well, so much for that theory then.

I can't believe someone hasn't just run up to him and ripped off his bucket to find out who he really is yet.

What works so well about him is that he can go anywhere private and just take off his bucket, and then he's a normal person again. He's probably in amongst us as we go about our daily lives, without us even knowing it. In fact, Buckethead could be ANY ONE OF US, and we would never know.

Fascinating...

3rdpath

Sep 4, 2002, 04:48 PM

hows this for bizarre?

job

Sep 4, 2002, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by 3rdpath
hows this for bizarre?

i....see.....dead....people.....

;) :D

krossfyter

Sep 4, 2002, 08:07 PM

cool pic 3rd path.

yeah ive heard many thoeries on who buckethead might be.
very intresting figure indeed. this mysterious persona that he exudes is whats so appealing...add that with his great guitar skills and you've got a hit cult figure.

what do you believe about the guy 3rd path? your opinon if i may ask?

Durandal7

Sep 4, 2002, 08:17 PM

I want to see the footage of Triumph the Insult Dog getting blocked by Eminem's bodyguards.

krossfyter

Sep 4, 2002, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Durandal7
I want to see the footage of Triumph the Insult Dog getting blocked by Eminem's bodyguards.

same here. ive only seen bits an pieces thus far.

Durandal7

Sep 4, 2002, 08:25 PM

I see that you brought back the cheeseburger avatar, or is this a new one? :D

3rdpath

Sep 4, 2002, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by krossfyter
cool pic 3rd path.

yeah ive heard many thoeries on who buckethead might be.
very intresting figure indeed. this mysterious persona that he exudes is whats so appealing...add that with his great guitar skills and you've got a hit cult figure.

what do you believe about the guy 3rd path? your opinon if i may ask?

as to who he is, you can find it all in a 1996 guitar player interview...search the web..the truth is out there........

as to my thoughts on his playing....he does the rock riff thing thing very well...just not really my cup of tea. same goes for randy rhodes et al....the thing is-satriani and vai can play the rock riffs but they're not really legit. its hard to describe. kind of like sat/vai could play any stevie ray blues lick--but they'd just be fakin it. thats where buckethead shines...he IS a rock riffer.

jelloshotsrule

Sep 4, 2002, 11:31 PM

conan tonight has the triumph stuff from the vma's

also... if you miss it tonight you can see it on comedy central tomorrow evening (7 on the east coast...)

just thought you folks might want to know

krossfyter

Sep 5, 2002, 01:18 AM

Originally posted by Durandal7
I see that you brought back the cheeseburger avatar, or is this a new one? :D

yeah its the same one i just chopped it up a bit.

"mmmm..... this is a tasty burger!"

krossfyter

Sep 5, 2002, 01:19 AM

3rd path im going to look but i doubt if i will find it. its like trying to find a needle in a haystack i would guess.

krossfyter

Sep 5, 2002, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
conan tonight has the triumph stuff from the vma's

also... if you miss it tonight you can see it on comedy central tomorrow evening (7 on the east coast...)

just thought you folks might want to know

yeah man blindside (http://www.blindside-silence.com/) is going to make thier national television debut soon on there!

rock it.

groovebuster

Sep 5, 2002, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I appreciate and admire small artists who do what they want and create the music they love. There are few artists with major labels that fulfill this requirement for me.

So, let me rephrase: True musicians aren't in it for the money exclusively, they're in it for the love of their music.

But so far you need one of the major labels to reach a bigger audience. Art and music need an audience, otherwise it is worth nothing. Every (well, at least almost) artist is driven by the dream to reach a lot of people with his work and that people will love him for it. So that's where the compromises start, since you have to deal with the traditional music industry to achieve that goal.

Of course it is noble to stay with your "principles" when you are making music, but it isn't that simple...

Have you ever performed in front of more than 5,000 people at an open-air festival and you could feel the air vibrating because people liked what you were doing on stage?

Well, I did! And I can tell you, that the stage is like a drug... you want it again and again. It is almost as good as sex!:D ;)

And it is not always about making really sophisticated "valuable" art, when you perform or compose. Playing a simple pop song can be so much fun, when the people like it and you just flow with the music...

Oh... and you are not only a musician when you are playing your own compositions. The majority of musicians plays 99% of the time tunes by other composers. What would be one of those "stars" without their band perfoming with them live on stage? Nothing! Even the big names in the show biz hardly write/wrote their songs themselves, they had their composers and texters doing the job for them and they just picked the songs they liked the most.

There are just a few who write their songs themselves.

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