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vniow
Sep 2, 2002, 10:13 PM
I saw a few posts about this recently and decided to start a new thread about it. What does your Macrumor's screen name actually mean?
I'll go first; edvniow is actually Ed V'niow and the V in V'niow is short for Veronica, my stage name and V'niow itself is an anagram for....not too much info, I might reveal more later. :D



ShaolinMiddleFinger
Sep 2, 2002, 10:23 PM
Ancient Martial Art of Flicking People Off

nuff said

Mr. Anderson
Sep 2, 2002, 10:27 PM
This might be the 3rd or 4th time I've seen this topic come up, and I'm not even an old timer.

Dukestreet - the street I used to live on -

D

Buggy
Sep 2, 2002, 10:27 PM
It has little to do with computing

It is the car I drive

Two tone VW bug

jelloshotsrule
Sep 2, 2002, 10:28 PM
jello shots rule

vniow
Sep 2, 2002, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet
This might be the 3rd or 4th time I've seen this topic come up, and I'm not even an old timer.

Dukestreet - the street I used to live on -

D

Sorry duke. I guess I'm still a newbie at heart.:)

jelloshotsrule
Sep 2, 2002, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by edvniow

Sorry duke. I guess I'm still a newbie at heart.:)

don't mind him.... he's still in denial (see "i'm not even an old-timer")

i'm still trying to figure out the anagram....

Mr. Anderson
Sep 2, 2002, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by edvniow


Sorry duke. I guess I'm still a newbie at heart.:)

i'm not complaining, i just find it interesting to see what topics recycle themselves from time to time.

D

vniow
Sep 2, 2002, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


don't mind him.... he's still in denial (see "i'm not even an old-timer")

i'm still trying to figure out the anagram....

MWAHAHAHAHAHA!! You will never figure it out!! :D

Durandal7
Sep 2, 2002, 10:35 PM
It's a reference to the Marathon series. I figured that this way it would go along with my scenario when I release it. The 7 is because someone took Durandal :rolleyes:

jelloshotsrule
Sep 2, 2002, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by edvniow
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!! You will never figure it out!! :D

it just doesn't make sense... it's english right?

hmmmmm

vniow
Sep 2, 2002, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


it just doesn't make sense... it's english right?

hmmmmm

Nope. Not english. :)

Royal Pineapple
Sep 2, 2002, 10:46 PM
royal: a member of the royal family, ask britboy about it ;)
pineapple: tropical produce

a friend of mine threw it together, and i "stole" it;)

jelloshotsrule
Sep 2, 2002, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by edvniow


Nope. Not english. :)

damn. what language?

MacBandit
Sep 2, 2002, 11:12 PM
My first street bike was a Suzuki Bandit 400. I started using the name Bandit online back in 1994 and have used it ever since. On mac sites I go as MacBandit.

job
Sep 2, 2002, 11:15 PM
i've been known as hitman in another forums and while playing tactical-ops.

thats what i registered as here and have not looked back.

my other alias is red_fox.

eyelikeart
Sep 2, 2002, 11:45 PM
hmm....my handle is as follows...

I was creating a new screenname for my AOL account about 6 years ago...and wanted something that proclaimed my love for art..while saying something about me...

hence "eyelikeart" = I like art ;)

Rower_CPU
Sep 3, 2002, 12:05 AM
I used to row, and I'm a computer tech, hence Rower_CPU.

job
Sep 3, 2002, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I used to row, and I'm a computer tech, hence Rower_CPU.

cool. i used to row when i was living in germany.

i forget what they called the boats, but they seated 4 + the "guy up front."

i had a great time rowing along the small rivers and streams in north germany. :)

krossfyter
Sep 3, 2002, 12:26 AM
cross fighter, fight for the cross, fight for truth, fight against all that is opposite of Love, Peace and against all that is Godly...the battleground is heavy in the spiritual arena (spiritual warfare).

job
Sep 3, 2002, 12:29 AM
what happened to the "first ever blank 'tar?" :D

krossfyter
Sep 3, 2002, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by hitman
what happened to the "first ever blank 'tar?" :D


i put it out of service momentarily! heh

SilvorX
Sep 3, 2002, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Royal Pineapple
royal: a member of the royal family, ask britboy about it ;)
pineapple: tropical produce

a friend of mine threw it together, and i "stole" it;)
lol i remember when your friend who thought it up was like "YOU STOLE MY NAME" on some other thread a while back lol....
--------

Silver -er (cuz i'm a coin phr33k)
+or (french word for gold i think)
+X (OSX ;))

idkew
Sep 3, 2002, 12:45 AM
and if you know what idq's are - you enjoy music also.

i have two dvc idq's with 600 rms pushing them. hehehe, this should confuse yall.

i used this way back in my hotline days years and years ago, and i just kept it.

DavidRavenMoon
Sep 3, 2002, 01:40 AM
My name is David, and the second half is my witch name... ;)

solvs
Sep 3, 2002, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by DavidRavenMoon
My name is David, and the second half is my witch name... ;)

Cool, are you a witch, or a wiccan? There is a difference. Please don't tell me you're a warlock. :eek:

Oh, right, the topic. Solvs = greek spelling of an old Latin (root?) word... Means something like "happiness in loneliness". Solus means both alone and to comfort (or to be comforted, something like that). And sol = Sun (or bright, kinda meaning happiness). Any Latin speakers out there? It's been awhile. I've been using variations of it everywhere on the net for years.

Plus I'm kinda pretentious.

peterjhill
Sep 3, 2002, 06:56 AM
my screen name means that I am boring and can not think of anything clever to use as a screen name, other than Peter J(ohn) Hill

;-)

irmongoose
Sep 3, 2002, 07:36 AM
i am mongoose = (in I R Weasel language) irmongoose

I used this waaaaaaaaaaaaay back when I used to watch those stupid cartoon network shows.

Anyways, the mongoose part suddenly sprang up when a friend of mine asked me if I had a nickname, and since I didn't, I sarcastically said "Yeah- Mongoose."

Well then.. I don't know why, but it stuck.




irmongoose

King Cobra
Sep 3, 2002, 07:56 AM
>(DavidRavenMoon) My name is David, and the second half is my witch name... ;)

Ah, another person with a deep and bad-ash voice. :D

My name is supposed to resemble the most deadly animal; one strike and you're down. Any cobra can be very vicious when ticked or when his privacy is invaded.

Here is what I mean. I was raised in an elementary in regard to † and stuff like that. However, everyone there treated me and some others like it was some [explicit] group home. Right then and there I became so recognized with anger and outbursts that it's been in me for so many years now. There is the threat of me "striking" in anger at any moment, and that has happened on the forums. But I realized that I am not after "amigos" on the forums, but after anyone who is acting like a plain/ordinary/[explicit].

Macmaniac
Sep 3, 2002, 08:55 AM
Well when I joined Macrumors 2 years ago I wanted a name that said I owned a Mac and that I was fanatical about it. Thus Mac- for my Macs that I own and Maniac for my undying love of Macs! Also when I was thinking about a name I read alot of MacAddict so I decided to make a name like their name, and the rest is history.

rainman::|:|
Sep 3, 2002, 08:56 AM
my screenname is deep and reflective, the "paul" part is part of archaic Eastern religions, and "whannel" from Latin, meaning "he who carries the pickle"

;)
pnw

bbarnhart
Sep 3, 2002, 09:02 AM
My first name is Brian and my last name is Barnhart :rolleyes:. I took the first letter of my first name and appended my last name.

dreamlance
Sep 3, 2002, 10:48 AM
While searching for an artistic name about a year ago, I was watching way too much Gundam Wing and was asked the question, "If you had a mecha, what would you name it?"

Hence DreamLance came about as sort of a name for a beautiful thing that appeared harmless but really wasn't. Femme fatale anyone?

Rower_CPU
Sep 3, 2002, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by hitman
cool. i used to row when i was living in germany.

i forget what they called the boats, but they seated 4 + the "guy up front."

i had a great time rowing along the small rivers and streams in north germany. :)

4 + coxswain, cool. I did 8s and 4s, never got into sculling. I competed at my university for 2 years...damn those early mornings.:D

Rajj
Sep 3, 2002, 11:04 AM
X= exalt and rhajj is for my name Rhajah:D

People say that I am arrogant, and I say: I am confident. :D ;) :p

awrc
Sep 3, 2002, 11:40 AM
My initials. Yes, I know, boring.

mc68k
Sep 3, 2002, 11:45 AM
Mine's for the MC68000 processor that came in some early macs including the LISA and the original mac.

The 68000 and variants are used in many other applications, including my TI-89 calculator.

I also took a class on programming it in machine language.

dnte42
Sep 3, 2002, 11:50 AM
dnte = Dante, a name I used to use in games many years ago...I can't even remember why.

42 is in tribute to Douglas Adams, a wonderful British writer who died too early. In the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, 42 is what Deep Thought (I think, that is te right name...?), the second most powerful super computer ever created, calculated to be the ultimate answer, to Life, the Universe, and Everything. The only problem was that no one knew the ultimate question...

filmcutter
Sep 3, 2002, 11:58 AM
I edit films and television programs, including the former shows "Bill Nye the Science Guy" and the short-lived "Gary & Mike"

boom-boom
Sep 3, 2002, 12:09 PM
Becuase im a fan of Basil Brush and that is his catch phrase.

thirdeg
Sep 3, 2002, 12:12 PM
Thirdeg because I used to like burning things, third degree as in third degree burns then it was thirddeg but when I typed it I kept on missing the second 'd' becuase it takes too long to press the key down twice. I know lazy huh!?!

TEG
Sep 3, 2002, 12:18 PM
Lets See.... TEG.... Its 1) My Initials 2) The Name of My Business and 3) Technical Engineering Guru

Need I say More??

TEG

Shrek
Sep 3, 2002, 12:27 PM
Mine is too obvious. Nah, I ain't sayin' it. :p

zarathustra
Sep 3, 2002, 01:29 PM
I am fond of philosophy - not to say that I am a Nietzsche fanatic, though. Zarathustra sounds much better than other subjects/personas in philosophy books. Could have been Atlas, or The Prince, but those are easily confused with other topics.

Hemingray
Sep 3, 2002, 02:11 PM
Mine is derived from a rather... unique...? hobby, collecting insulators. Hemingray was one of the companies that produced insulators, of which I happen to collect.

www.hemingray.com has some good info.

Royal Pineapple
Sep 3, 2002, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Hemingray
Mine is derived from a rather... unique...? hobby, collecting insulators. Hemingray was one of the companies that produced insulators, of which I happen to collect.

www.hemingray.com has some good info.
im glad you can tell your hobby is unique ;)
we just think you're crazy:D

vniow
Sep 3, 2002, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


damn. what language?

It's Klingon, and it's two words, just to make it a little easier. :D

dreamlance
Sep 3, 2002, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by edvniow


It's Klingon, and it's two words, just to make it a little easier. :D

I tried searching the Klingon online dictionaries, no luck. Damn you've got me curious now. :) Nice to see other trekkers online.

Royal Pineapple
Sep 3, 2002, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by dreamlance


I tried searching the Klingon online dictionaries, no luck. Damn you've got me curious now. :) Nice to see other trekkers online.
and i thought hemmingray was crazy ;)
some people just nead some special time :D

Gus
Sep 3, 2002, 03:57 PM
Mine comes from marching band in college. Whenever someone was gone in rehearsals, there was an empty "spot" in the formation. Since there were always people missing on different days in different spots, we just named the bodiless person "gus". Since I have no body online, I am Gus.

I know...dorky.

-"One time, at Band Camp..."

Gus

amnesiac1984
Sep 3, 2002, 04:17 PM
amnesiac: an album by my favourite band, not my favourite album but close, I believe someone else on these forums also has a name that relates to this! :)

1984: the year I was born, the year the macintosh was introduced, the year I first started using a macintosh, and the year that george orwell thought would be really not a nice year! :D

Royal Pineapple
Sep 3, 2002, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by amnesiac1984
amnesiac: an album by my favourite band, not my favourite album but close, I believe someone else on these forums also has a name that relates to this! :)

1984: the year I was born, the year the macintosh was introduced, the year I first started using a macintosh, and the year that george orwell thought would be really not a nice year! :D
whats the band?

george orwell is the shiznit great author, not my faverote but up in the top three
Kurt Vonnegut
Duglas Adams
George Orwell

amnesiac1984
Sep 3, 2002, 04:34 PM
i was kinda hoping someone would work that one out,

the other member with a related name is "OK Computer"

boom-boom
Sep 3, 2002, 05:59 PM
And for all of those who have never been to the UK its Radiohead. Sorry to spoil all the fun but I had a crap day at work!

beez7777
Sep 3, 2002, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by solvs
Oh, right, the topic. Solvs = greek spelling of an old Latin (root?) word... Means something like "happiness in loneliness". Solus means both alone and to comfort (or to be comforted, something like that). And sol = Sun (or bright, kinda meaning happiness). Any Latin speakers out there? It's been awhile. I've been using variations of it everywhere on the net for years.

Plus I'm kinda pretentious.

Yeah, i speak latin, solus is latin for "alone", as you stated.

Anyway, my name is Billy, and for some reason thats beyond me, my uncle, aunt, and cousin call me Beez.

Royal Pineapple
Sep 3, 2002, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by boom-boom
And for all of those who have never been to the UK its Radiohead. Sorry to spoil all the fun but I had a crap day at work!
ooohhhh
i know them
they played at the first concert i ever went to.

DavidRavenMoon
Sep 3, 2002, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by solvs


Cool, are you a witch, or a wiccan? There is a difference. Please don't tell me you're a warlock. :eek:

Actually the word "witch" is derived from Middle English wicche, from Old English wicca, masculine, wizard & wicce, feminine, witch; akin to Middle High German wicken to bewitch, Old English wigle - divination, and perhaps to Old High German wIh- holy.

So a witch is a practitioner of Wicca.

Warlock is from the Middle English warloghe, from Old English waerloga, one that breaks faith.

So I consider my self a witch and practice Wicca. :D

DavidRavenMoon
Sep 3, 2002, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by King Cobra

My name is supposed to resemble the most deadly animal.

Humans are the most deadly animal. ;)

mc68k
Sep 3, 2002, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by DavidRavenMoon


Humans are the most deadly animal. ;) In a classification sense, yes. But I don't consider myself to be an animal.

vniow
Sep 3, 2002, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by mc68k
In a classification sense, yes. But I don't consider myself to be an animal.

Really? I do. I don't see why humans aren't.

DavidRavenMoon
Sep 3, 2002, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by mc68k
In a classification sense, yes. But I don't consider myself to be an animal.

Then you have to be a vegetable or a mineral.

We are not much different from pigs and chimps, which is why they use pigs to learn human anatomy and our DNA is 98% identical with that of a Chimps.

It's the thinking that we are better than the other living creatures on this planet that makes many humans have such total disregard to other living things, including other humans, and nature.

If we bring religion into it, and use the primitive idea that God created us in "his" image, than what image do Dolphins think God created them in?

We are mud that got a chance to stand up and look around. My, and aren't we creating a mess!

mc68k
Sep 3, 2002, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by edvniow


Really? I do. I don't see why humans aren't. In a classificastion sense we are VERY close to monkeys etc. w/our DNA.

I believe that humans posess a soul, whereas animals do not. Animals do not have the ability to think and act on not much more than instinct. Humans have a higher purpose than animals do.

Animals were created to serve man.

So with one definition yes and with another, a resounding no.

vniow
Sep 3, 2002, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by mc68k
In a classificastion sense we are VERY close to monkeys etc. w/our DNA.

I believe that humans posess a soul, whereas animals do not. Animals do not have the ability to think and act on not much more than instinct. Humans have a higher purpose than animals do.

Animals were created to serve man.

So with one definition yes and with another, a resounding no.

I disagree about the soul part. I believe that in order to be alive you have to be more than the sum of your parts, in essence a soul. And if animals were created to serve and let's say that we are animals for the argument, who or what do we serve?

mc68k
Sep 3, 2002, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by edvniow


I disagree about the soul part. I believe that in order to be alive you have to be more than the sum of your parts, in essence a soul. And if animals were created to serve and let's say that we are animals for the argument, who or what do we serve? If we are beasts, for the sake of argument, then I believe we would serve our instincts which would tell us just to survive and reproduce.

szark
Sep 3, 2002, 07:14 PM
[on topic]

Mine is "shark" with a Polish spelling twist.

I mostly lurk in the background observing everyone else...

[/on topic]

Resume off topic conversation... ;)

vniow
Sep 3, 2002, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by mc68k
If we are beasts, for the sake of argument, then I believe we would serve our instincts which would tell us just to survive and reproduce.

That's it? To survive and reproduce? My, what a boring existence we have.

awrc
Sep 3, 2002, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by DavidRavenMoon
Then you have to be a vegetable or a mineral.


I can think of some posts I've seen here that were probably written by vegetables.

besides, isn't the whole animal vs vegetable vs mineral thing somewhat fuzzy these days, only one step away from insisting everything's made from earth, air, fire and water? Aren't their thingies (to use the scientific term) that don't quite fit into either animal or vegetable?

Also, if you wanted to be really picky, if you break animals or plants down into little enough bits, you'll find some minerals in there.

big
Sep 3, 2002, 07:37 PM
>Gus

that's kool....

anyways I just larger than Life (not what you think, I am a sleek 165lbs)

DavidRavenMoon
Sep 3, 2002, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by mc68k
In a classificastion sense we are VERY close to monkeys etc. w/our DNA.

I believe that humans possess a soul, whereas animals do not. Animals do not have the ability to think and act on not much more than instinct. Humans have a higher purpose than animals do.

Animals were created to serve man.

So with one definition yes and with another, a resounding no.

That's total nonsense. Animals don't think? It's been proven than many animals, including Dolphins, Chimps, and even Cats, have a sense of self, and will admire their own reflections in the mirror.

You need to educate your self a bit to the differences in other living things. Monkeys are not Apes. We are primates, yet we share more in common with Chimps than we do with Gorillas.

Also if Humans poses a soul, how do you know? What proof do you have? None. And how do you know cats and spiders don't? They are alive right? They have purpose in their actions. Baby "animals" play just like Human babies do. And even adults do. What is the instant to have fun? Humans skiing is of a higher calling than Pandas sliding down a hill in the snow? Is the love a Human mother has for her young any less than that of a Giraffe? Nope.

Birds teach their young songs, and in fact the same spices of bird will have regional accents the same way humans do.

Also it was this whole thinking that some living things have souls, while others don't, that made it easy for one human to enslave another, because clearly "they" didn't have souls. What "higher purpose" do we serve? To exploit and kill for our gain? Is our higher purpose to kill the very planet we live on? Well, that's exactly what we are doing. Those types of views were OK when Humans knew little about science and nature.

If we are going to use such simplistic notions are creationism, and accept a fairy tale like Adam and Eve, then answer this question. What race were they? OK then explain the other forms of humans.

Darwin was not totally right either, but we are more a product of random forces than many feel comfortable to admit. The whole concept that perhaps when we die we are nothing more than fertilizer is hard for many to take, but we have nothing to show us that it's not the way things are.

If you live and breath, you have a soul. I'd imagine rocks don't, but perhaps plants do.

That's the problem with religion. It turns into a pissing match about who's God is the real God. My stick is bigger than your stick. It's all fairy tales. Enlighten thy self.

vniow
Sep 3, 2002, 07:45 PM
Well said David. Check this (http://phoenix.marymount.edu/~sfay/twain/lowest%20animal.htm) article by Mark Twain out, It's relevant to this off-thread discussion. :p

DavidRavenMoon
Sep 3, 2002, 07:51 PM
Originally posted by awrc


I can think of some posts I've seen here that were probably written by vegetables.

besides, isn't the whole animal vs vegetable vs mineral thing somewhat fuzzy these days, only one step away from insisting everything's made from earth, air, fire and water? Aren't their thingies (to use the scientific term) that don't quite fit into either animal or vegetable?

Also, if you wanted to be really picky, if you break animals or plants down into little enough bits, you'll find some minerals in there.

Exactly. Thank you. :) We are all of the same "fabric" on an atomic scale. This is why events can effect one another over vast distances, like ripples in a pond.

Einstein called it "Spooky action at a distance."

Some living things are borderline. Take bacteria ... plant or animal? And Viruses are almost not alive, little more than protean and DNA. They use our cells to grow bodies.

I will concede that Windows users are not the same as Humans, however! Something we can all agree on! :p

bombensington
Sep 3, 2002, 08:03 PM
umm, well, my sn has to do with animals...

i have 2 kitties, Bombay and Kensington. When we refer to both of them together, it takes too long to say "Bombay and Kensington" so we shortened it to Bombensington.

DavidRavenMoon
Sep 3, 2002, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by mc68k
If we are beasts, for the sake of argument, then I believe we would serve our instincts which would tell us just to survive and reproduce.

Isn't that what we do. We reproduce. We find food. We fight like cats and dogs. And we build nests, and sing songs and use tools. But birds do that too! :)

We dream, and so do other animals. maybe things like Macs are important to us, but it's like the question, do cats see in color? We always thought they don't. But now we know they do, but color is not important to cats, because they are nocturnal, and in the dark you see in black and white. They just dont care.

We sure aren't as strong as Gorillas or Chimps, or even ants. We cant smell as well as a dog, and we cant see like an eagle. We can't run fast, and we don't swim well. We can't fly either, not without a machine. How are we better? Because we can talk? The other animals can talk too, but we cant understand them. They sure understand us though! Who's smarter?

We use Religion to make out selves feel important and as a basis of war. That's very noble of us.

DavidRavenMoon
Sep 3, 2002, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by edvniow
Well said David. Check this (http://phoenix.marymount.edu/~sfay/twain/lowest%20animal.htm) article by Mark Twain out, It's relevant to this off-thread discussion. :p

Excelent story, thanks Ms V! I always loved Twain.

How's this?

"A religion that is small enough for our understanding would not be large enough for our needs."
- Arthur Balfour, the First Earl of Balfour, English statesman (1848-1930).

and:

"Only two things are infinite,
the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former."
- Albert Einstein

big
Sep 3, 2002, 08:25 PM
Q. who's smarter?

A. Who lives in harmony within their environment, and doesn't use it to further there own greed, ultimatly destoying there only world?

DavidRavenMoon
Sep 3, 2002, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by bombensington
umm, well, my sn has to do with animals...

i have 2 kitties, Bombay and Kensington. When we refer to both of them together, it takes too long to say "Bombay and Kensington" so we shortened it to Bombensington.

I just love cats. I love all animals, but cats especially. I had six at one time, and my first cat, Cheesecake lived to be 17.

Here is an article about how much alike cats and human brains are:

"Cats have intelligence; they learn and can act on what they discover for their betterment," says Nicholas Dodman, DVMS, MRCVS, director of the animal behavior clinic at Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine, Boston, Mass.

According to Dodman, the cat and the human brain are 99 percent the same. A cat thinks like humans and receives information via the five senses like humans. Cats have a frontal and temporal cortex, a cerebrum, and gray and white matter that are connected in the same way as humans along with the same neurotransmitters as humans.

“However, they have less color vision than humans and can't appreciate contrasts as well,” says Valerie Creighton, DVM, The Cat Doctor, Thousand Oaks, Calif. “But they don't necessarily need to.”

"Cats can track moving things much better than we do, all the better for hunting," she explains. "A cat might not see a black fly on a white wall but when it takes off, largely invisible to us, the cat has no problem tracking the fly."

Like people, cats have short-term and long-term memory functions. Having short and long term memory is the reason cats can remember where the litter box is if you moved it yesterday (short-term memory) and can remember things learned years ago like what the litter box is for (long-term memory).

"Play is more than just enjoyment and fun in the animal world. It establishes social order, prey capturing and hones the physical skills cats need to survive as pure carnivores.

"When cats are playing they are having fun and may look just like children playing," says Dodman. "Kittens are exercising their minds, limbs, and tendons and following the call of nature in rehearsal for their adult roles."

"Cats are trainable but it is more tricky than training a dog. They're not wired to care much about pleasing others (us) as dogs are," says Creighton. "To train a cat to do tricks, a behavior that it wouldn't normally do, like jump through a hoop, you'd need to find a cat who really loves food, then use it as a reward."

According to Creighton, cats in the wild are loners. According to the experts, it seems to be more a matter of motivation than lack of intelligence. Being differently motivated than dogs, cats will fetch but only when they're in the mood, since it's for their enjoyment only, not to please you.

Cats learn from observation. They learn how to open doors, for instance, by watching us do it. It is repetitive training from a repeated action in the environment.
According to Phyllis Cambria, Coconut Creek, Florida, her cat Muffin had an affinity for opening the storage closet. "Muffin had full run of our apartment except the storage closet, full of cleaning supplies. Repeatedly I found her curled up on the mop in the closet. The latch required the knob be forcefully turned and pulled before it opened. One day as I spied around the corner, there was Muffin getting into a crouching position. She leaped toward the doorknob, grabbed it with both paws and dropped to the floor, twisting the doorknob on her way down to the floor. She repeated the maneuver six times before the door's latch popped. We finally discovered just what a 'Houdini' our Muffin turned out to be."

Cats and dogs are not different in how they learn information. "Each species learns better within its own niche. Dogs might learn to dig a hole in the snow to get away from the cold wind," says Dodman. "The cat might never learn to dig a hole because he wasn't designed to do that. A cat will cover up his waste material but a dog won't."

According to Carole Moore, Jacksonville, N.C., her cat Rosie takes the prize for the smartest cat. "Rosie can open doors by turning the doorknob. He can pull open drawers and rummage around in them, find the things he wants and flip them out with his paw," said Moore. "He loves the pantry and will open the louvered doors, stand on his hind legs and flip down packages of marshmallows."

(I would have posted a link to this, but it's been long lost...)

Sun Baked
Sep 3, 2002, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by big
Q. who's smarter?

A. Who lives in harmony within their environment, and doesn't use it to further there own greed, ultimatly destoying there only world?

Confucious say, man who own toilet sometimes must flush.

solvs
Sep 3, 2002, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by DavidRavenMoon


Actually the word "witch" is derived from Middle English wicche, from Old English wicca, masculine, wizard & wicce, feminine, witch; akin to Middle High German wicken to bewitch, Old English wigle - divination, and perhaps to Old High German wIh- holy.

So a witch is a practitioner of Wicca.

Warlock is from the Middle English warloghe, from Old English waerloga, one that breaks faith.

So I consider my self a witch and practice Wicca. :D

I usually consider a Wiccan as one who observes the Wiccan religion. A witch is one who practices witchcraft. Usually they overlap each other, but it reminds me of that Buffy episode where Willow and Tara are pissed because they want to use magic, but all the other girls wanted to do was talk and pray. I understand that it's not really like that in real life (wouldn't that be cool though), but it was the best example I could think of. I used to study the paranormal, but I was never really into either. Then again, "Magic(k)" is subjective.

My best friend is a practicing witch (not evil), and she makes the distinction.

I agree with the Warlock thing. Though anyone seriously calling himself a Warlock nowadays is more of an idiot (and/or) wannabe than evil. Or he's just trying to piss people off. If I've offended any Warlocks here... well, too bad. Don't worry, I don't count those of you who play D&D and RPGs and all that (though never was into that myself), as long as you know it's just a game. Keep telling yourself, it's just a game.

Besides, we all know that we're just clusters of energy moving (in unison) so fast together that they appear to be solid. And that that energy is merely a piece of a larger whole that is the universe (and fate and god and nature). We are all just the eyes and ears and hearts and bodies of a greater energy born to experiance existance, to think and feel and live and love and learn and laugh and cry and hurt, and give and receive as separate but connected entities.

The Ethereal and the Corporeal.

We just don't know it. And if we do, or we feebly try to comprehend, our tiny brains just can't handle the truth, not realizing that we're not supposed to because we're just not built that way. Why do you think we busy ourselves so? We're the only animals capable of expressing conscious thought.

It's not that I think, therefore I am. I simply am, therefore I must be.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Wow, that was deep.

Probably because I've been up for about 28, wait now 29, hours.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
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"You tell lies Teddy Bear. Lies!!! Did the dog send you?"

bousozoku
Sep 4, 2002, 12:09 AM
bousozoku is a Japanese biker gang member.

mc68k
Sep 4, 2002, 01:10 AM
Originally posted by DavidRavenMoon
That's total nonsense. Animals don't think? It's been proven than many animals, including Dolphins, Chimps, and even Cats, have a sense of self, and will admire their own reflections in the mirror.You forgot pigs and octopii. :) I'm not saying they don't think, I'm saying that they don't have a higher purpose. They cannot reason.
You need to educate your self a bit to the differences in other living things. Monkeys are not Apes. We are primates, yet we share more in common with Chimps than we do with Gorillas.I took an organismal biology class. I know my evolutionary apomorphies quite well, even though I don't believe a lick of it. Most people tend not to research the opposite side of the argument.
Also if Humans poses a soul, how do you know? What proof do you have? None.The same can be said for your argument. Dictionary.com seems to agree with me:

1. The animating and vital principle in humans, credited with the faculties of thought, action, and emotion and often conceived as an immaterial entity.
2. The spiritual nature of humans, regarded as immortal, separable from the body at death, and susceptible to happiness or misery in a future state.
3. The disembodied spirit of a dead human.

And how do you know cats and spiders don't? They are alive right? They have purpose in their actions.Purpose— yes. Everything happens for a purpose. Emotion, yes. Thought, in a reasoning sense, I would say no.

Also it was this whole thinking that some living things have souls, while others don't, that made it easy for one human to enslave another, because clearly "they" didn't have souls.They're animals. Get over it. I had one for lunch today at Jack-in-the-Box. The argument for humans is much different.

What "higher purpose" do we serve? To exploit and kill for our gain? Is our higher purpose to kill the very planet we live on? Well, that's exactly what we are doing.When we look to ourselves for answers, death and destruction come quite readily. Our higher purpose is to serve the Creator.

If we are going to use such simplistic notions are creationism, and accept a fairy tale like Adam and Eve, then answer this question. What race were they? OK then explain the other forms of humans.Their offspring migrated. Isn't evolution even more preposterous? The whole time scale is fiction. Therefore, events based off the time scale are also fiction.

The whole concept that perhaps when we die we are nothing more than fertilizer is hard for many to take, but we have nothing to show us that it's not the way things are.Every stance is based off faith, including your position that nothing becomes of us.

That's the problem with religion. It turns into a pissing match about who's God is the real God. My stick is bigger than your stick. It's all fairy tales. Enlighten thy self. It tends to. That's why I don't delve into community discussion much. :)

vniow
Sep 4, 2002, 01:27 AM
You forgot pigs and octopii. I'm not saying they don't think, I'm saying that they don't have a higher purpose. They cannot reason.

Who are you to say whose purpose is greater than anothers? I'll bet if you could talk to a dolphin, your opinion might differ.

I took an organismal biology class. I know my evolutionary apomorphies quite well, even though I don't believe a lick of it. Most people tend not to research the opposite side of the argument.

What's wrong with believing in evolution? Believing that mankind came from a "lower" life form doesn't mean that you deny God, after all, the people who wrote Geniesis didn't think scientifically, so why should you take it literally?

The same can be said for your argument. Dictionary.com seems to agree with me:

Ooh, Dictionary.com. The only source for truth in the universe.:rolleyes:

Purpose— yes. Everything happens for a purpose. Emotion, yes. Thought, in a reasoning sense, I would say no.

I don't know about you, but my dogs seem to reason things pretty well, like wether to eat this food or not, or staying away from this human because he's mean etc. I'd call that a form of reason, or learning.

They're animals. Get over it. I had one for lunch today at Jack-in-the-Box. The argument for humans is much different.

So are you. Deal with it. The Aztecs ate each other in ritual sacrifice, something a little more sophisticated than Jack-in-the-box.

When we look to ourselves for answers, death and destruction come quite readily. Our higher purpose is to serve the Creator.

What if we don't believe in your Creator? Does our purpose suddenly vanish?

Their offspring migrated. Isn't evolution even more preposterous? The whole time scale is fiction. Therefore, events based off the time scale are also fiction.

See above post. Any thing in the Bible is not meant to be taken literally. Adam and Eve never existed, the Red Sea never parted, Jonah was never swallowed by a whale, etc. etc. The people who wrote it didn't think literally, they thought mythically, or symbolically, so why should you?

Every stance is based off faith, including your position that nothing becomes of us.

Agreed. Even science is a form of faith. (even though your average scientist wouldn't admit that. Science is just one spoke on the wheel of knowledge.)

It tends to. That's why I don't delve into community discussion much.

No comment.:)

amnesiac1984
Sep 4, 2002, 05:37 AM
i think its a bit stupid to deny the theory of evolution without offering an alternate theory, which the bible version is not.

The bible is a book of teachings, stories and fables to help teach the lowly people how to behave properly. It should not be taken literally... The writers didn't mean it to be taken literally so why is it now?

zarathustra
Sep 4, 2002, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by mc68k
In a classificastion sense we are VERY close to monkeys etc. w/our DNA.
I believe that humans posess a soul, whereas animals do not. Animals do not have the ability to think and act on not much more than instinct. Humans have a higher purpose than animals do.
Animals were created to serve man.


Look up a gorilla named KoKo. She learned to sign and express herself. She then thaught her sign language to her companion Michael. She can express herself with about 1000 sign languages including love, bad, fear, worry, etc. She invents words that there was no sign for - finger-bracelet:ring. Her companion Michael later recalled the events of his capture in sign language - how his mother was slaughtered for meat. If gorillas can express themselves these ways, do they lack a "soul"?

What is a soul, anyway?

Can other animals think this way? Chimps? Cats? Dogs? Why is there a doggie heaven, but no calf or suckling pig heaven? Do they taste better?

What exactly is our higher purpose? Why are animals here to SERVE us?

If our higher purpose is to create an ideal society where we don't have to worry about work or annihilation and can just live in harmony with nature, then ALL the animals have achieved this higher purpose.

beez7777
Sep 4, 2002, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by mc68k
I believe that humans posess a soul, whereas animals do not. Animals do not have the ability to think and act on not much more than instinct. Humans have a higher purpose than animals do.

Animals were created to serve man.

Allow me to quote George Carlin.
"Are we so much better than chickens? When did this happen? Name six ways we're better than chickens. See? No one can do it. You know why? Because chickens are decent people.
You don't see chickens hanging around in drug gangs, do you? No. You don't see chickens strappin' someone to a chair and hookin' up their nuts to a car battery. And when's the last time you heard about a chicken who came home from work and beat the ***** out of his hen? Huh? It doesn't happen You know why? Because chickens are decent people."

He speaks the truth:)

sickboy_osX
Sep 4, 2002, 01:40 PM
My Screen Name.....

Well for Mac Rumors (Sickboy_OSX) Sickboy is the name of one of the Actors from one of my favorite movies (Trainspotting) He is a Heroin Addict, and they call him Sickboy because of the fact he is always Dope Sick and Looking for a Fix, and as a Recovering Heroin Addict, my freinds penned me with this Nickname

And OS X that should be easy unless your Bill Gates, or Linus Torvalds (Who has stated more than once that OS X Sucks)

My AOL SN (istandonkids) is completeley Random and I got bored and decided to use it.

My .Mac SN (uofu_macaddict) is because I am a Mac Addict and I graduated from the University of Utah
(Go UTES!)

And I change my MSN Messenger SN so often I sometimes dont remember it

Over Achiever
Sep 4, 2002, 02:16 PM
Over Achiever,

Seems self-explanatory;)

Sun Baked
Sep 4, 2002, 02:59 PM
There's two ways one can tell God has a sense of humor.

1. There's the platypus.
2. There's making monkies believe they're intelligent.

But for the life of me, I cannot tell which one is the joke, and which one is the punchline.

vniow
Sep 4, 2002, 07:22 PM
Ok jello, since you seem to have given up :p on my anagram here it is:
wi' - one that is
nov - alien

Smash them together, put them in a blender and serve. Viola! V'niow, an alien anagram that means one that is alien.:)

Now about the Ed part...













It's just Ed.:D

3777
Sep 4, 2002, 08:03 PM
I was doing work on one of my family 's old houses, and as I was knocking out the old plaster from one of the walls, 3 playing cards stuck together flew out and basically landed next to me. They were three 7's of clubs, diamond, and spades.......I was told that this means good luck and a lot of money for me someday........ to date I've had no luck and some money.............so I keep the cards and use 777 because I'm superstitious and wan't the predictions to come true.

Spike Spiegel
Sep 23, 2002, 11:05 PM
hey sun-baked, kevin smith is right about the platypus. My name is in reference to my favorite band, while also being a parody of my friend's name, hence the ophile.

scem0
Sep 24, 2002, 05:14 PM
My true geekiness comes out right about now:

the materials:
sc (starcraft) em0 (emo is my nickname but scemo is taken everywhere so I put a zero instead).

the product: scem0.

My bnet --> -black-death- --> not a reason for this, it just sounds cool :D :D :D. I need to get a new name, I havnt played SC for 2 months.... :(... Sad, I have wc but it is umplayable on a 450 MHz AGP with a Rage 128 pro. Until I get a better video card I'm stuck w/o a game to play. I would never change my name to wcem0 though, it doesnt sound as good... :D