Do you smoke?

[Rower_CPU]

I was just curious about the smoking habits of the readers here.

If you do, what do you smoke and why?

If you don't, why not?

[vniow]

Nah, both of my parents did. I never got used to the smell. :(

[Durandal7]

Smoke what? :D

[Royal Pineapple]

Originally posted by Durandal7
Smoke what? :D
lol
good call
i dont smoke cigerates if thats what youre asking ;)
as for the other things, well ill try most things once

[Mr. Anderson]

absolutely not. I just read a small article in the recent Discover Magazine that had a graph showing the cancer rates over the last 50 years. It was only until 5 - 10 years ago the the rates started going down. All because people stopped smoking.

That to me says it all.

D

[Royal Pineapple]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I was just curious about the smoking habits of the readers here.

If you do, what do you smoke and why?

If you don't, why not?
do you?
what a usless post, oh well

[rainman::|:|]

How did i know when i clicked the link that i would be the only one to hit "yes"? I smoke and am damn proud of it... as to why i do... well, it helps keep the homocidal urges in check... heh seriously tho, it keeps me from killing things... erm...

and for the record, i'm GODDAMN PISSED about these nico-nazis that know best about me, and are trying to save my life (as well as my eternal soul, from the way they act) by interfering with my enjoyment of life to the max...

:)
pnw

[Durandal7]

No I don't. Seems rather disusting and the risk of heart disease and cancer is too much (especially heart disease)

However, smokers have a right to smoke and these taxes are ridiculous.

[jelloshotsrule]

no...

"got cancer?"

i'll pass on that one



rower... you?

[BongHits]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I was just curious about the smoking habits of the readers here.

If you do, what do you smoke and why?

If you don't, why not?
umm...by my name im sure you can tell:D...but i smoke sinse (seedless weed)
anyone who doesn't smoke sinsemilla doesn't smoke pot (omg...dirt weed :eek: )

[krossfyter]

never have. never will.

[job]

Originally posted by krossfyter
never have. never will.

ditto.

[3rdpath]

i just came inside after enjoying a nice cigar on the front porch.

nothing like sitting on a big rattan chair while watching the clouds come over the mountains and reading a good magazine( latest copy of Mix). Top it off with a nice R&J Bully and life is saweeeet.

:D

[Over Achiever]

I don't smoke. I don't drink.

Why?

I never got used to the smell. I never got used to the taste.

It sorta depressing, since I can't go smoke a cigar or some weed, or drink champagne and wine. I'll never have a "feelin' good" sorta feeling. I'll never be able to be completely romantic! :eek:

I guess I'll have to live with it. :)

[mymemory]

I'm 27 and I do not smoke, not because of the cancer we may die for it smoking or not. I do no smoke for several reasons:
1. It is very anoying not to be able to go to bed because you need a cigarette.
2. The same way, I have seen lots of people bothering me and others because the need to get cigarrettes some where, specially when we are working or driving.
3. Usually people that smokes isolate themselves with other smokers.
4. It is a waste of money, I rather buy chocolate.
5. It is very bad for health, people that smokes have a hard time doing phisical activities, I use to left them behind.
6. At the end 90% of the smokers regrate it, they end up with bad health, with more stress and complaining about the huge ammount of money they waisted they entire life.

Do you need more reasons?

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Over Achiever
I don't smoke. I don't drink.

It sorta depressing, since I can't go smoke a cigar or some weed, or drink champagne and wine. I'll never have a "feelin' good" sorta feeling. I'll never be able to be completely romantic! :eek:

I guess I'll have to live with it. :)

well we have different reasons (i never did either to "try" to get used to the taste/smell)... but i'm in the same boat


though i'm not sure it's depressing

i think it's depressing when one feels the need to add these chemicals/drugs to their bodies to "truly enjoy life"

but whatevs

[Over Achiever]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
though i'm not sure it's depressing

i think it's depressing when one feels the need to add these chemicals/drugs to their bodies to "truly enjoy life"

I understand. But I mean depressing when I said I can't drink wine and champagne...sorta sucks at parties. My friends understand though, so I really don't mind.

As for trying...I never smoked. The smoke from other cigarettes I never could stand. As for drinking, that was once, at confession. lol...i don't even dip my circle thingy (i dunno what its called) in the wine cup...sorta sad, but I guess not :D

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by Over Achiever
I understand. But I mean depressing when I said I can't drink wine and champagne...sorta sucks at parties. My friends understand though, so I really don't mind.

As for trying...I never smoked. The smoke from other cigarettes I never could stand. As for drinking, that was once, at confession. lol...i don't even dip my circle thingy (i dunno what its called) in the wine cup...sorta sad, but I guess not :D

i don't bother with parties... ha. just a reason to drink. most of my friends don't drink anyways, or not enough to need to do it much

you drank at confession??? do you mean communion? hehe

the circle thingy is called the "host" at least in catholic church... i don't do the wine/blood thing myself... just a personal preference though.

[Over Achiever]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
you drank at confession??? do you mean communion? hehe

the circle thingy is called the "host" at least in catholic church... i don't do the wine/blood thing myself... just a personal preference though.

lol...stupid me. It was my first communion (stupid mistake)

and thanks...the host yeah, i just couldn't remember what it was called...we were supposed to dip the host in it...i remember it was horrible...of course, i was six, so it probably wasn't real wine...lol ;)

I mistakenly drank a sip of beer when I was seven...i was naive enough to think that it was apple juice. Wow, that was disgusting...kept me away from alcohol for good.

[jelloshotsrule]

yeah, i did the whole sipping my dad's beer thing. even had a shot of vodka at my brother's wedding (when i was about 12) just to go along with the tradition of it (he met his wife in russia, so it was a clear choice. ha)

but yeah, gross and pointless. word

[Mr. Anderson]

Ah, I must amend my post - I don't smoke cigarettes, but I occasionally (3 times a year maybe) smoke a cigar.

D

[eyelikeart]

I've never even tried smoking a cigarette in my life...

always seemed completely disgusting to me...

and kissing someone who smokes is pretty gross too...

ick! :o :rolleyes:

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by dukestreet
Ah, I must amend my post - I don't smoke cigarettes, but I occasionally (3 times a year maybe) smoke a cigar.

he he he...I hear they got some mediocre handrolled cigars in the French Quarter... ;)

honestly...I'll do a cigar maybe once a year or so...

maybe in DC soon? ;)

[Rower_CPU]

To answer everyone's question: No, I don't smoke. It's against the law here in California.;)

I used to smoke cigars, maybe one a week, but I stopped doing that about a year ago. I still will have them on special occasions.

I was mostly curious since it's illegal for people to smoke in restaurants, bars, any public indoor place in California. I'm so used to smelling fresh air that it shocks me to see people smoking, even though quite a few people do it on campus...trying to look cool.

It also completely freaks me out to visit other states where this law is not in effect...

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
It also completely freaks me out to visit other states where this law is not in effect...

That's one of the many things I loved about California! I cannot understand why the need to have smoking in restaurants is still abundant...I mean...I go to a restaurant to eat...not smoke?!

I wish it were different here...unfortunately...New Orleans...I believe...has one of the highest percentages of unhealthy people/lifestyles in the country...such a shame... :rolleyes:

[Mr. Anderson]

The worst case of smoking in public I've ever seen was in Alaska - everyone does it there, and you walk in a bar/roadhouse/etc. and the smoke is just hanging in the air - absolutely nasty.

And Alaska is one of the most amazingly beautiful places I've ever been....

D

[Gus]

I am smoking while typing this. I grew up and lived in Kentucky, Tennessee and North Carolina, so being around smokers was normal for me. I worked on a tobacco farm for a summer while in Kentucky, (I am now in the midwest). I consider myself a "polite smoker". I always ask people around me if it is ok to smoke before lighting up, I do not smoke when children are around, and I don't smoke in my own home. That being said, I do not believe that what has been going on in the U.S. towards smokers is fair. In my state the state budget came up $76 million dollars short this year, so what did they do? They raised the cigarette tax 50¢ a pack to make up for it. Mind you, this was a state that received $86 million from the "tobacco settlement" (ridiculous), and they ADMITTEDLY squandered it. So now, a small percentage of my state's population is going to carry the burdern of the rest of the state just because smoking is unpopular, so it's ok for them to do this. I call the settlement "ridiculous" because anyone who smokes knows the health risks. I don't care if they never put a label on the pack. Inhaling smoke into your body could never be construed as a healthy activity, even before we "knew" it was bad. C'mon.

I completely understand that you don't want to smell my smoke, and that there are rude smokers out there who don't give a flying flip, but smokers are being treated like second class citizens. I have been very understanding with all of the laws that have been passed in recent years to protect persons who do not have a choice, like flight attendants and the like, but when you begin to tell me that the state is forbidding me to smoke in a bar, then that's a little too far. Bars have traditionally been places for adults to enjoy alcohol and a smoke. Nobody in the bar is being forced to be there, (including the waitstaff-there are plenty of other serving jobs available and if they are in a bar, they knew what they were getting into to begin with).

I know that my views are unpopular right now, but stop and think for a minute; what if whatever it is you like to do was deemed unhealthy tomorrow, and you were told that there was a law that forbade you to do it because it was making other people sick too? I know the info for second-hand smoke is strong, but I just can't believe that living in a major city and breathing the "regular" air in that city is any worse than occassionally getting someone else's cigarette smoke. I see people jogging downtown in heavy traffic. Any idea how many carcinigens that person is inhaling? Face it, if you live in a metropolitan area, you are going to inhale a lot of bad things. There are no two ways about it.

Anywho, sorry for the rant, and I am NOT bashing non-smokers, just trying to bring some perspective on smokers and smoking laws.

Gus

[railthinner]

I smoke because I'm addicted. Started when I was about sixteen and smoked real irregularly until in my twenties now I've been smoking for about 15 years and have tried to quit regularly over the past 5. Addiction sucks. believe me I've tried quitting but can't stand the sensation of my head about to explode, then I start lying to myself--many lies--like "it's better to live a Sammy Davis lifestyle" "enjoying your life is better than longevity" "at least I'm not addicted to something heavy" It's all quite pathetic really. Then there are times I can't give up on the pleasure-- I can't imagine going on a trip (Alaska) without thinking about the joy of smoking in a foreign place. Whatever it's endless.

Congratulations to all of you who've always been repelled by the idea of smoking. really. addiction sucks.

Next issue: I live in Chicago where some freaky Alderman (desperate to get re-elected and grab attention) has decided smoking should be banned in restaurants (bars are still totally safe here, as is my understanding). I'm totally opposed to passing this legislation and restricting freedoms. Yes smoking is unhealthy (like a trip to non-smoking Burger King) but some pleasures include risks. You could list a thousand. There's nothing that forces restaurants to allow smoking and in fact there are a lot of no-smoking restaurants. So where's the issue. For restaurant owners who want to cater to customers who need a smoke free environment--you're free to. And vice versa. As for worker conditions--get another job. You're not working on high rise construction or digging ditches, or welding. There are bigger worker issues out there. Is this how desperate we've become for an issue?

I'm going out for a smoke now.

[railthinner]

and Gus your post went up before mine but I agree. Good points. I don't smoke rudely either--never around kids etc.

[dreamlance]

Never had a desire to smoke.

As far as smoking in LA public places goes, I'm not sure about New Orleans but Lafayette sure has been getting on the ball about restricting smoking in public places. I still don't mind going to bars where people are smoking provided that there isn't a visible haze everywhere.

[Tiauguinho]

I'm a Smoker also... And I have respect for others that don't smoke and that dont like the smoke from my cigarette. I think that its a matter of respect for the others... BUT... I think that smoking laws ( in the USA) are a little bit funny. In Portugal you can't smoke on elevators, public transports and on some designated areas at the restaurants, which I completly agree! Respect for the others that don't smoke, and we all live in harmony. Smoking laws in the U.S. are a very good reason to laugh out loud in Europe! If you guys apply laws like this, maybe you should first think of how to avoid pollution with your big cars and SUV's, that all have a average consumption of 20 litres per 100Km! Hell, we even like to hear story's about people that send the McDonald's into court, for the coffee that was too hot and that they burned their lips!

[gelbin]

sorry bros, i've got the straight edge.


and as for smoking simply being 'unpopular'. sorry bros again.

the fact is that it kills you. it kills your children. and it kills those that have to breath your emissions.

now, that said. i do fart a lot. so...i have never seen a study that says my farting is killing either me, my children (hypothetically), or anyone else.

though it can be quite burdensome at times.

and as for the cancer rates going up....

i agree, smoking is a real culprit. but don't neglect all the other carcinogens we swim in daily - the newest one to hit the press being diesel exhaust.

[gelbin]

on the coffee tip -

that is a completely exaggerated story.

but the facts are that mcdonalds had been brewing their coffee at a higher temperature than they were supposed to. they were selling more coffee that way by increasing the aroma in shops. so, a woman buys the coffee that is really 'too hot' and burns her crotch completely out. i mean, can no longer have children. and you think it is ok?

true, mcds should not take all the blame, but they were overheating the coffee and reaping the rewards.

don't believe everything you are told.

[jelloshotsrule]

gus and railthinner. great posts..

as i said i don't smoke.

but i see your points

i agree that a private restaurant owner should be able to decide for themselves... and at the strictest should have to have a non smoking section... in lieu of the whole thing being non smoking.

also, i agree that people choose to go to bars and know what they're getting into

smoke is only one of the reasons i don't like bars. the others are.... it's usually very loud, usually very crowded, i don't drink...

why go to a loud, crowded place filled with smoke when i could talk to people outside, fresh air, they smoke if they want, and we'd pay a lot less for drinks. oh, and we don't have to shout right next to each others' ears to be heard...

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by gelbin
sorry bros, i've got the straight edge.


get a life stinkass

drinking's cool. do it to it

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by gelbin




now, that said. i do fart a lot. so...i have never seen a study that says my farting is killing either me, my children (hypothetically), or anyone else.

though it can be quite burdensome at times.


haha... este vato!:D

[blackpeter]

Smoke? Yes... But I'm trying to quit. It's useless to me and I'd rather save my lungs for pot (something that is usefull to me).

[diorio]

I love the gonja:D

[Hemingray]

Nope. Never have, never will. I don't feel like being dependent on something that turns your lungs into the La Brea Tar Pits.

[rainman::|:|]

Dear gelbin,

The gas coming out of your ass is putting a hole in the ozone layer. The carpet under your feet puts off toxic chemicals into the air. The farming of the food you eat contributes to the greenhouse effect. The carbon dioxide that you exhale is quite deadly to other humans.

You think smoking's terminal? LIFE is terminal, buddy. we've created a lovely society for ourselves bent around killing each other (slowly)... I'm not in a gang, i don't commit (many) crimes, so there's a hell of a lot of things i could be doing that are more deadly to others than a whiff of my menthol. Fact is, however nasty smoking is, it's certainly not the End Of The World as you seem to think.

That being said, it's kinda cool to see a lot of pot smokers around here... 'Cept for the inhale420 guy, of course... i'll admit i do take a toke now and again... well mostly just 'now'...

:)
pnw

[tjwett]

trying hard to quit. the fact that they are up to $9.00 a pack in NYC is making it easier.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
The farming of the food you eat contributes to the greenhouse effect.

You think smoking's terminal? LIFE is terminal, buddy. we've created a lovely society for ourselves bent around killing each other (slowly)... I'm not in a gang, i don't commit (many) crimes, so there's a hell of a lot of things i could be doing that are more deadly to others than a whiff of my menthol. Fact is, however nasty smoking is, it's certainly not the End Of The World as you seem to think.


i didn't get the idea he thought it was the end of the world. if you want to reduce your life time that's fine... but by your logic one may as well ride behind trucks and breathe in the exhaust because, well, you get a bit of a high and well, life will end regardless... which doesn't make much sense.

also, farming of animals creates more waste.... ie, excrement than any other farming...

[eyelikeart]

hmm...all this talk...wondering how many coffee drinkers there are?

[Tiauguinho]

Me! Me! I'm a coffee drinker!!! I love coffee! But only portuguese coffee that comes from our ex-colonys in Africa, and East Timor. i can't spend a day without drinking at least one expresso( we call it "bica"). Ahhhh... You guys should come here just to try our coffee... And smokers... you should come and enjoy a coffee while you smoke slowly your cigarette... ahhhhhhhhh...

[Gus]

eyelikeart, it is funny you mention that, because when I posted earlier, not only was I smoking, but I was having a cup of coffee also. :D

Gus

[gelbin]

Dear paulwhannel:

First of all, thanks for the info. I was not aware that my gasses were so toxic. Nor my diet (which you know little to nothing about). Nor my carpet. And when you got to my LIFE being terminal, damn, i never really realized that...

Actually, I am quite aware of those things you mentioned. But the point is about choice. I don't choose to fart. And neither do most people. But we all do it. So, in my opinion it is an assumed risk of living, we all contribute and we all are at risk. That said, i would not say that my farts really do contribute to the ozone hole. There is an amount of buffer that the environment/atmosphere can handle within which there is no net ozone depletion. We are depleting the ozone due to our exceeding these limits. Farts, on their own as a natural and pervasive thing, i don't t hink would create holes on their own. That said, i think my bigger fart defense is that we all do it, it is unavoidable, and it is inherent in life. Smoking is not.

Carpets, yes. Your point reminds me a little of the masters in chemical engineering that I once obtained. And yeah, many things are toxic that we surround ourselves with. I, personally, try to limit those things, and would oppose proliferating them as well as support new practices, whether it be in making safer carpets or safer flea collars. But, the point is that this is a choice you can make. You can buy your toxic rugs and roll on them all you want. But when you force others to romp on them with you, that is when i have a problem. And as i see it, and as i smell it, smoking does just that.

And the food I eat....well, again, we all have bought into that and we assume that risk as a community. That said, i don't eat land based meats. One reason is, that as you mention, they not only consume more resources, but they also emit methane which damages the ozone layer. Reminding me of a paper I wrote last spring on methane emissions, cows, and the kyoto protocol....

And the co2 being 'deadly'. WEll, aside from the fact that i would apply the above arguments to your point, CO2 is not lethal to humans. Thank goodness, as the air we breath is mostly comprised of it. True, there is a balance between plants/algae emitting o2 and animals emitting co2...and we do need to breath oxygen....but co2 is not deadly in the way that you imply.

So yeah, as you so artfully point out, life is indeed terminal. Some people choose to live fast and die young as the old tune goes...and some choose to respect their bodies and attempt to get the most out of life in ways other than sucking on rolled up paper with burning leaves (not to mention the added chemicals introduced to increase addiction and at the same time increase toxicity). The point with smoking is simple - CHOICE.

I don't smoke. I try to do things that keep me healthy and clean so that i can work toward my own personal goals. If you want to shoot up, snort up, or whatever, great. by all means, go for it. But when you start hurting others, then i have a problem. Smoking kills the smoker and those that have to deal with the smoke. It also heavily burdens both the private and public health sector, raising taxes and private insurance premiums for everyone. I see it as a rather ignorant thing, though i do feel that much of the criticism belongs with the companies themselve for taking advantage of people over the years and creating a dangerous and extremely addictive product.

There are a lot of things that hurt our health and the environment. I am not saying it is the end of theworld. I am saying that I personally want to make choices that further my health and wellbeing and my abilty to contribute in a positive way to society and other people's lives. AND I don't want my decisions to be overrun by people that unfairly impact me.

[King Cobra]

Tiauguinho, what is with you and your coffee? I think you need to get off the javascript, err, you know. :D

I will not smoke. It's disgusting. My mother's been sh[E]n' it for almost 30 [E] years or so, and I can recognize it by the awful [E] stench. She smokes a whole [E] pack a day and doesn't give a [E]

Ah, I think I need to get of the java as well, with all the profanity. :rolleyes:

Cigs have over 4000 chemicals in them. You would think a few hundred would at least kill you over time. :rolleyes:

[rainman::|:|]

Originally posted by gelbin
And the co2 being 'deadly'. WEll, aside from the fact that i would apply the above arguments to your point, CO2 is not lethal to humans. Thank goodness, as the air we breath is mostly comprised of it. True, there is a balance between plants/algae emitting o2 and animals emitting co2...and we do need to breath oxygen....but co2 is not deadly in the way that you imply.

Well, okay, i was hoping you were like the other god-knows-how-many americans that would think this way... i was in a hurry and trying to make a point, and i got sloppy. my bad. But surely you admit that there are things hundreds of times worse than secondhand smoke in the air... and i'm not even including my neighbor's noise pollution ;)

pnw

[Tiauguinho]

LOL King Cobra! I just love coffee, it's one of the things that I trully enjoy during the day, that 10 minute break to come down from the office to smoke a cigarette and drink an expresso...

[sickboy_osX]

Yup I smoke,

3 Packs a Day, Smoke Till I die!

(Camel Turkish Golds, started 7 years ago with Lucky Strike Studs (Non Filtereds)

[mc68k]

My cigarette money goes for computer hardware. :)

That, and I have ass-mar.

[Gus]

Is smoking bad for you? Of course.

Is is bad for other people who are around it for long periods of time? Of course.

Can we say that second hand smoke kills with definite proof? No. Why? Because there is no study that a scientist can do that has a "control" subject. It would have to be a person in a bubble that never comes into contact with any carcinogenic air or substances. Look guys, if I wanted to, I could hire a team of scientists that could prove that eating lettuce is bad for you and it causes cancer. We ingest or inhale 4000 harmful chemicals a day no matter what we do. No, I don't want a child to be exposed to a regular smoker, and no, I don't want someone who is in a regularly closed quarter to be exposed to it all day everyday, but I also don't want the government telling me what I can and can not do in a privately owned residence or establishment.

A bar is NOT a public place-it is a private business. If the people in an area don't want it to be smoking, then they should boycott the bar and tell the owner that they will not go there if it allows smoking. If business falls, the owner will go along with whatever brings in business. The people should not, however, bring these lawsuits against private businesses when they have the right to choose how to run their establishment. We have become too litigious in the U.S. and when we don't get what we want, we sue.

As I said before, if the government wants to ban smoking in government owned buildings, then that is their decision, since everyone who pays taxes paid for that building, but not in a private business.

"What's the rule now? I can only smoke in my bedroom under the sheets with the lights off?"
-Dennis Leary

Gus

[gelbin]

Gus,

this:
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Can we say that second hand smoke kills with definite proof? No. Why? Because there is no study that a scientist can do that has a "control" subject. It would have to be a person in a bubble that never comes into contact with any carcinogenic air or substances. Look guys, if I wanted to, I could hire a team of scientists that could prove that eating lettuce is bad for you and it causes cancer. We ingest or inhale 4000 harmful chemicals a day no matter what we do.
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is garbage.
look up the national toxicology program's 9th report on carcinogens for a listing for Environmental Tobacco Smoke (ETS) - aka secondhand smoke - it is listed as a known human carcinogen 'from studies in humans'.

An accepted scientific study does not require absolute control over all possible factors. There are cohort studies done with sufficient control, such as comparing children who are raised in households with smoking parents vs. children with parents who breath air rather than tobacco smoke. Those studies are sufficient to say whether second hand smoke increases lung related disease and the background '4000 carcinogens' are just that, background - meaning they can be assumed constant for all of those studied, the different variable (when averaged over a large studied) then becomes primarily the exposure to second hand smoke.

[Gus]

I did NOT say that second hand smoke was not a carcinogen. I am not stupid, even though I smoke. ;)

My poinnt was that you cannot believe that second hand smoke is a sole contributor to the diseases that non-smokers are contracting. A similar study to the one you quoted shows that the instance of "second-hand smoke related illness" drops 60 percent once you are over 50 miles outside of a metropolitan area.

I don't know. I guess I really don't care about it that much.

Gus

[bousozoku]

I only smoke when lit.

(You knew that you were going to get a weird answer from me--admit it.)

[Spike Spiegel]

i would never smoke, the whole concept of it is one those "how could our civilization make it this far when two of the most popular activities in the world are intensely unhealthy and can lead to premature death that people know is slow and icky" things. but ive had so much secondhand ill prolly get cancer anyway (F#@K!!!)

[krossfyter]

people still smoke after 9-11? wow.


:p

[sturm375]

No, I don't smoke, by my choice, not any laws.

Yes, I think smoking is unhealthy.

No, I don't think smoking should be outlawed. At least not in the US. The only time something needs to be outlawed, is when it poses a danger to others. Anything else has been time and again ruled unconstitutional. Case in point, the Illinois Seat-Belt/Motorcycle Helmet laws.

For a time it was unlawful in Illinois to ride a motorcycle, on public roads, without a helmet. This was overturned because, it is unconstitutional to make a law to protect someone from themselves. The seat-belt law has stayed, because the state proved that wearing a seat-belt kept someone in place during intense driving situations, where they had a better chance of avoiding accidents. Otherwise the driver might be thrown into the passenger seat during a fast, tight turn.


As soon as it is PROOVEN that second-hand smoking is harmful, from more than 5 feet away, then I'll jump on the band-wagon to outlaw smoking.

Until then, outlawing smoking is unconstitutional, and taxing is just another sin-tax:mad:

[gelbin]

last i checked, second-hand smoke is a listed carcinogen. i think that constitutes proof that it is unhealthy.

[diorio]

I'm sorry to sound so harsh but, ******* smokers. You can't be around them because their constantly puffing, filling your lungs as well as theirs with harmful carcinogens that will eventually give you lung cancer. It wouldn't be so bad if the smoke didn't turn your lungs into raisins as well as theirs. It's unhealthy and unfortunately contageous (second hand smoke) and shouldn't be allowed anywhere in public.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: