are you a stoner?

[kungfu]

so i was walking around borders the other day with my new cocoa book, and i noticed they had dedicated an entire shelf to books about cultivation and some just with pictures of buds. it occurred to me that many mac users that i knew were stoners, so I'm wondering how many of you are...? this is also a followup i guess to the "do you smoke" thread..... :D

kungfu

[job]

nope.

to quote krossfyter : "never have, never will."

but then, to each his own..

[jelloshotsrule]

don't need drugs to enjoy life

[job]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
don't need drugs to enjoy life

agree completely.

[vniow]

What do I need drugs for? What kind of pathetic imagination do you think I have? :D

[3777]

I'm addicted to coke....... Coca Cola that is:D ......... I drink it by the gallon, that stuff is probably more toxic then anything else sold in Supermarkets.....including drano....... I also use it to take rust off things, works great....lol:eek:

[kungfu]

hahah... wow, seem to have hit a sesitive topic here... and i agree, you don't need drugs to enjoy life... i know plenty of stoners who enjoy life to its fullest without any drugs... some i know stay away from pot for months at a time and just use it occasionally... none of them that i know are addicted, and certainly none of them need it to be happy or whatever. i always think its funny how many people are so negative towards something they've never even tried. but whatever, i don't care at all what people do, its their choice completely....

kungfu

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by kungfu
i know plenty of stoners who enjoy life to its fullest without any drugs... some i know stay away from pot for months at a time and just use it occasionally... none of them that i know are addicted, and certainly none of them need it to be happy or whatever. i always think its funny how many people are so negative towards something they've never even tried. but whatever, i don't care at all what people do, its their choice completely....


i wouldn't call them a "stoner" if they don't smoke pot except for every so often... but that's me

also, if something does harm to the body or other people, then it's not too hard to judge it without trying it

you don't have to try punching someone in the face for no reason to know it's going to hurt them and that it's "bad" do you?

i agree it's people's choice. just think it's kinda sad is all

[SilvorX]

im not a stoner but the only mac stoner i know is mac15 :P, hes high non stop :P
jkjk

[MacAztec]

I never knew that Marijuana kills you. I mean, it can make you do bad things, but Marijuana has never actually killed somebody.

So whats the big deal with bud?

You know in Amsterdam where its legal to smoke bud, there is a lower weed smoking rate than in the U.S.?

I dont see why the government cares so much over something that never really hurt anyone, but yet they spend millions to stop it.

My bro and most of his friends just smoke maybe once a month just to relax, you know?

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by MacAztec
I never knew that Marijuana kills you. I mean, it can make you do bad things, but Marijuana has never actually killed somebody.


who said it kills you?

[kungfu]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


i wouldn't call them a "stoner" if they don't smoke pot except for every so often... but that's me

also, if something does harm to the body or other people, then it's not too hard to judge it without trying it

you don't have to try punching someone in the face for no reason to know it's going to hurt them and that it's "bad" do you?

i agree it's people's choice. just think it's kinda sad is all

well... it think the "health" issues floating around pot are pretty vague... i'm not sure that they really know that much about it's permanent effects on people's health (obviously if you smoke 5 times a day its going to have a negative effect because you're inhaling smoke and **** into your lungs, but who does that?). there's definitely a great ammount of propaganda on both sides though, the government classifying with much more harmful drugs and other people claiming how incredibly healthy it is.

i can understand how harmful pot can be to some people who misinterpret it as a way to cure depression, to be "cool", or whatever... i've seen a lot of people use pot for all the wrong reasons, and there certainly a group of people who are stereotypically assosiated with smoking weed who make me "sad".

on the other hand, there's another group of people who don't abuse the use of pot whom i can sympathize with.

it all depends on how you look at it.

kungfu

[Durandal7]

Was this inspired by my little comment in the smoking thread? ;)

[jelloshotsrule]

well put kungfu

just curious what you think the "right" reasons to smoke pot are.

[krossfyter]

nah no drugs here man.

[eyelikeart]

drugs never really did appeal to me much...always had other things to do with myself... ;)

[Royal Pineapple]

this looks like a pretty wholesome and healthy group
than there is that guy called BongHits who's name shows up occasionally ;)
im not a stoner but im not gonna deny having tried it

[idkew]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


also, if something does harm to the body or other people, then it's not too hard to judge it without trying it

i really do not think that it is prudent to believe government studies which were done to prove pot is bad for you. there have been just as many studies which have said that pot is just as bad, if not better than cigarettes.

if you ask a TRUTHFUL doctor which he would rather see you use- pot or alcohol, he would say pot. you can not overdose and die from it, you do not cause fatal accidents, you liver does not die (lungs...yes).

until recently, pot was better then cigarettes due to it "naturalness"- no chemicals are added to enhance its flavor.

so- my point is that if you are going to knock pot, i sure hope you are not a smoker or heavy drinker, they are just as bad, if not worse. the only difference is that for some weird reason, the latter are legal and the former is not.

[Moxiemike]

Being an avid photgrapher guy i've noticed the following:

normal (no substances) : I can take a fairly good hand shot with no shake of the camera

Caffeinated : I'm jumpy like a kangaroo

Drunk : Same.

Stoned : I can hold a 2" exposure perfectly still, no tripod in use.

I dunno what all that means... :D

m

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Royal Pineapple
this looks like a pretty wholesome and healthy group
than there is that guy called BongHits who's name shows up occasionally ;)
im not a stoner but im not gonna deny having tried it

Don't forget Inhale420...:rolleyes:

As others have said: never tried it, don't plan to.

[kungfu]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
well put kungfu

just curious what you think the "right" reasons to smoke pot are.

reasons? i guess to have a little fun occasionally (to be able to think in a completely different mindset is pretty amazing)... however, at the same time i think that it shouldn't get in the way of your life, it shouldn't harm anyone or make them feel uncomfortable, and it definitely shouldn't get in the way of your goals.

the one thing that pisses me of the most is when someone says to me, "duuuude, I got sooooo high last night!", or something lame like that...

i hate all that crap. anyone who seeks to promote themselves by advertising that they smoke is pretty lame if you ask me (ie bonghits and inhale420), but i guess you never know.

kungfu

btw... i guess i should have rephrased the name of this poll/thread... "stoner" seems pretty excessive i suppose...

[Taft]

I would never knock a person for not trying herb. But I get a little upset when people have the condescending attitude towards it.

Quick sub-poll...How many of you who answered no (or more specifically "Never tried it, never will.") have ever been under the influence of another mind altering drug? Alcohol, nicotine, runners-high, etc.

The fact of the matter is that no one "needs" anything to have fun. I don't need a movie to have a good time, but I enjoy them. Some people simply find drugs and alcohol an escape, or a release, or a way to socialize. And there is nothing wrong with that unless it gets out of hand. In some cases these activities can be mentally beneficial (again, if done in a moderate "healthy" way).

And a final note. As many of you know (and as many of you pot heads like to preach :)) marijuana is far better for you than alcohol, nicotine, or even caffeine (at least addiction-wise). Not to say that its GOOD for you. But you could do a lot worse by most people's drugs of choice.

I would simply promote a more open attitude towards ganja by those of you who have closed your minds to the drug. Even if you'll never try it, at least don't look down at those who do. Thats just a nasty thing to do.

Taft

[krossfyter]

Understandable taft. very noble response.

i however do not look down on those who love the ganja. some great people smoke weed. as for myself i feel it would be to my detriment. and your right taft i enjoy other highs... runners high or in my case weight lifters high... and caffeine high etc. etc. i just dont lift weights for the sole purpose of the high and the same for caffeine. the only time i drink a drink to obtain some sort of chemical alteration to my body is when i drink a red bull.

[Rower_CPU]

Here's where marijuana gets tricky...

Nicoteine and alcohol are substances "accepted" by society as legitimate for consumption. Caffeine is so prevalent that it doesn't even register anymore.

At one time in US history alcohol was banned, the outcry was large enough that the law was overturned. Marijuana could head this route eventually...

I think that smokers/drinkers get defensive about their habits because of the negative stereotypes (alcoholics, perpetual stoners), and feel that people who say they don't/won't do it are looking down on them.

It's a choice you make. You choose what to put in your body, I choose what to put in mine. It's that simple. It's not condescending, just stating a fact.

[Taft]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
It's a choice you make. You choose what to put in your body, I choose what to put in mine. It's that simple. It's not condescending, just stating a fact.

True 'dat. :)

And people who drink or smoke (or wrestle, or read, or trap shoot, or use Macs :eek: :eek: ) have a tendency to get defensive about their habits. Especially those who make it a habit or really get into it. And when they blindly defend their habits because of their love for said habit, they are often doing it for the wrong reasons. They can often lose touch with what they liked about it in the first place--what makes it good--and defend it because they have for so long. They cross that line and walk into zealot-hood.

But on the other side of the coin are those who reject activities, habits, and illicit substances out of ignorance, superstition, peer-pressure or gods know what other reasons that has turned them off. These people make a decision based on a gut reaction or a blind prejudice and end up being condescending wether they try to or not.

The people whom I respect are those that make informed and intelligent decisions about what they do with themselves--in all aspects of life. "Because" will never be an acceptable answer for me. Unless, of course, it is followed by some ominous and heartfelt statement such as "I don't want to talk about it." Yikes!

So my message to all you kids out there is this: be true to yourself and make your own decisions. Get the facts, understand them, contemplate them, and then make an informed decision that comes from inside you. That way, you can never go wrong.

Taft

I always liked this...

Mistakes and failures are two very different things. If you learn from it and remain true to yourself in your words and actions, a mistake will never become a failure.

[Taft]

Originally posted by Taft

Mistakes and failures are two very different things. If you learn from it and remain true to yourself in your words and actions, a mistake will never become a failure.

Oh, and in case anyone was wondering why I threw this in...

Its basically a solid rationalization for cautious and informed experimentation. Think about it.

Taft

[freedom]

No, I´m not.
But occasionally I skin up a wee spliff to chill.
For those who haven´t tried, all I can say is
that if you have an itch: scratch it.
But remember do it by free choice with
good surroundings (ie. friends).
If you don´t wan´t to, just don´t.
It´s as easy as that.
A couple of years back I went to a country
in asia where they produce the finest hasch
around. I sort of caught an addiction…
After a few months of excessive smoking
(AND travelling), my brain was quite mushy.
It works best for me while on vacation…
But I think I´ve recovered since(?)!
Where´s the brits in this discussion?

Question:
LCD iMac, a result of Jobs and Ives hanging
around in Jobs´GARDEN watching FLOWERS?!?!
smoking them aswell?! :)

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

I've done it three times. Three times to figure out that it isn't for me. The only time I could remember it doing something to me was the first time, all it did was make me hungry (pepsi tasted great, too!) but all the other times, nothing. It's only giving me a reason not to smoke: coughing up and making my chest hurt. Screw weed!

[freedom]

mmmmm chocolate…

[amnesiac1984]

am i a stoner?

Not really, not in the sense that I will smoke on my own to get through the day. This last few weeks I have smoked quite a bit but thats only cos I've had the opportunity to, sometimes I go for months without touching the stuff. But me and my mates have a real good time smoking, and it gives us a real sense of friendship because of the memories we share. Group discussions become really interesting when you are all a bit stoned, people really open up and express their true feelings, even the really shy ones.

the thing is i'm at a turning point in my smoking career :D I'm about to start UNI and my friend just bought me some of my own weed for my birthday, I could potentially start smoking a lot more, but only where there's an advantage, ie some ladies are staying over and wanna smoke :D :D :D

anyway, that didn't sound too convoluted did it? hope not cos I'm actually stone cold sober

oh and freedom, ever tried afghan black? :)

[peterjhill]

I do not consider myself a stoner. I didn't try pot until I was about 26. I have smoked it three times this year. It is fun every once in a while.

What I think is pathetic is that cigarettes and alcohol are legal, while pot is illegal. Talk about corrupt influence. William Randolph Hearst is pretty much single-handedly responsible for pot being illegal. Even cocaine is available to doctors for certain controlled cases. Pot though is deemed to have no medical value.

Imagine if pot was legal, sure smoking it is bad for you, but what if you could put a joints worth of THC into a chocolate covered cherry. Wouldn't that be fun.

I think that teenagers should try to stay away from pot until they are older and hopefully better able to deal with it. It may not be addicting, but if a child decides they would rather smoke than do homework, then it could have effects that last the entire lifetime of the person.

Oh, and another thing, I have probably had about ten alcoholic drinks this year, and the only times that i had more than one in one sitting would be getting one of those tiny carafes of sake. (yum.)

[dnte42]

Never tried the stuff, and don't really plan on it. I don't really have any trouble relaxing/unwinding under my own power. Not to mention a lot of the (even casual) users I have met were not terribly...impressive people.

As for pot being better than cigarettes, well, who you wanna believe? The government probably won't admit it being healtier that tobacco whether it is or not. Probably the biggest problem is that the pot could be laced with something nasty (not a pretty sight, from what I've heard), whereas the amount of rat poison in cigarettes is regulated :p

[Mr. Anderson]

I've maybe had it a dozen times in my life, not trying it till I got to college. The first year there, one of the kids on my dorm floor was a 'dealer' - the last time, about 5 years ago - well, that's a good one.

Went to a cabin the mountains in Virginia with my girlfriend and two of her female friends, one of whom had some with her. We were all drinking and then had a smoke. My girlfriend ended up passing out, so I was left with the other two - we ended up getting naked and going skinny dipping. Quite an interesting night. And nothing really happened, but it was still a lot of fun.

D :D :eek: :cool:

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by dukestreet
My girlfriend ended up passing out, so I was left with the other two - we ended up getting naked and going skinny dipping. Quite an interesting night. And nothing really happened, but it was still a lot of fun.

he he he....the duke...seems like such a good boy too...who would have thought it? ;) :D :p :eek:

[dnte42]

Heh...something like this perhaps?

"Ooh, she's out cold..."
"Still breathing?"
"I think so"
"Great, let's go skinny-dipping!"
"Alright!"

[Mr. Anderson]

oh, i wouldn't say I'm a good boy, I've had my share of *experiences* with all sorts of trouble.

but I'll have to save that for another thread.

D

[dnte42]

Have you even been experienced? Not necessarily stoned, but...beautiful.

Ahh, enough of that.

"We are now crusing at a level of 2 to the power of 25000 to 1 against, and we will be restoring normality just as soon as we are sure what is normal anyway."

[Ateazz]

Hi guys,

Yep am a stoner.

I agree with peterjhill "I think that teenagers should try to stay away from pot until they are older and hopefully better able to deal with it. It may not be addicting, but if a child decides they would rather smoke than do homework, then it could have effects that last the entire lifetime of the person."

It's great stuff, if you know how to use it.
I'm laughing my heart out when I see the tourists yelling "am gonna die" they don't know how to use it. Amsterdam Ganja is strong (between 20 and 50% THC) and really nice.
I use it to relax when I come home after a day of hard work, it's also great for widen your horizon.
Ganja and alcohol is bad, ganja and a Mac is great.

greatz to you all

[mcrain]

As you may or may not know, I'm an attorney. I'm at work right now, and a bunch of us are getting ready to fire up a bong and smoke a bowl. Nothing as fun as a bunch of attorneys getting bombed.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha, and you wonder why your taxes are so screwed up!

(To the sensors here, somewhere in deep in the bowels of the building, I'M JOKING! IT'S CALLED A SENSE OF HUMOR, GROW ONE)

[dreamlance]

Again, never had the desire to although I do crack up at Moxie's ability to take a 2" exposure without a tripod. My brother spent his summer bong after bong and told me he had some of the best lyric compositions ever.

*shrugs* Like Dnte said, I have no trouble unwinding/relaxing on my own. :)

[jiker]

i dont smoke. never will.

all of my roommates smoke. its REAL annoying too, but it's their lives, and their apartment as well. although i'm not ok with it, we have come to a compromise. needless to say we've had many conversations/ arguments about it.
it actually inspired me to learn more. so i asked my pychobiology teacher at northeastern u. (neuroscientist, currently studying the effects of drugs on animals' brains).

there is propoganda on BOTH sides. the government tells you "its bad, just say no." pro-weed people (for lack of a beter word) say "its fine, its better for you than other drugs."

the truth is this: we have endogenous receptors for THC, meaning, we have natural binding sites on our neurons. we are just finding out what the endogenous neurotransmitter (the naturally occuring chemical that normally binds to said receptor) is and what it could posibly do. we have no idea what the long term effects of marijuana are. it seems to affect the hippocampus in some way, hence short term memory could be affected, but we have no idea. the effects of marijuana and its metabolites are additive: meaning it's possible to take some other drug, be it legal or otherwise, and the effects of both can cause serious damage, even death (while unlikely). everyone is different and everyone reacts differently. smoking anything is bad for your lungs, however saying its better for you than cigarettes is not necessarily true. unless you grow it yourself, you have no idea what you are getting. marijuana is often cut with something, not necessarily other illegal drugs, but other types of dried leaves, basil, whatever. it is possible that these other leaves can more cancerous/lethal than cigarettes. but putting all wild posibilities aside, you are MUCH more likely to develop lung cancer from weed than you are to develop cirrhosis (liver disease) from alcohol. bottomline..
after learning about all of this, i have further proven my reasoning for not trying/using/abusing the drug, or any others for that matter.

FYI:
my neuroscientist professor has tried weed.
caffeine is pretty much just as bad for your liver as alcohol is.
don't take anything man-made. while natural drugs are pretty bad, man-made drugs (MDMA, cocaine, heroin, etc.) will ******* you up hardcore. if you want to know about what the specifics are for these, just ask.

also, people should stop reading web pages as there source of information. unless its a medical journal or something with credentials, i would take it with a grain of salt.

-tom

[sparkleytone]

i personally equate alcohol and marijuana. personally meaning by my own body chemistry. pot, just like just about any other low level drug such as alcohol, is more about someones personal reaction to it than anything else. i would say nicotine, but that **** is just plain horrible.

my personal experience with marijuana is in my past. i found that at first, yeah it was fun and definitely offered a rediscovered perspective on things. at the same time, i know i have an addictive personality. my father, my mothers father, a few of my uncles...alcoholics. alcoholism is a disease, one that is genetically spread from generation to generation. my father is the only family member of mine that is an alcoholic who decided to become sober. he got sober about the time i was 6 or 7 years old, so i really don't remember much about when he wasn't.

i never really enjoyed alcohol because it tastes like ****. i did, however, enjoy marijuana. i wasnt "addicted", but damn it was nice to have...every day. it was definitely an escape. escape from myself, from my own personal problems, and from my failures in life. i stopped before it became a problem, and I will never touch it again.

im not judging people at all, especially for weed. it is a very personal thing, but is generall a negative thing for 80% of its users. use at your own risk...the only results i have ever seen from continuous use were negative. be careful.

[krossfyter]

eewhela la chingada! is that joint man?! looks like a quarter pounder ese! :D

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by idkew
so- my point is that if you are going to knock pot, i sure hope you are not a smoker or heavy drinker, they are just as bad, if not worse. the only difference is that for some weird reason, the latter are legal and the former is not.

i tend to agree with all you said... and my point is... smoking and drinking are also bad for you. and i do neither.

but also as i learn more, i've come to think that pot should be legalized and controlled....

[kungfu]

yeah, i think that for some people, weed can be very harmful, sometimes even addictive... the same goes for alcohol and other substances, it really just depends on the person. for me, it really isn't a big deal at all... as said before, i agree that it shouldn't be used for purposes like escaping life or avoiding things that need to be done... for me it has been easy to do that... I go away to boarding school for months at a time and feel no "need" or "urge" to smoke (it's really sad to see friends get kicked out for this).

i think the problem that exists is that some people have a hard time identifying that they have a problem, and it evolves into something serious that is going to beceome a road-block in their life.

on the other hand, I still don't think the government has the right to decide that we shouldn't be smoking pot, same goes for alcohol (although I really don't like to drink). i think the only reason pot is still illegal is because everyone in the US government is too afraid to say anything... even so, things seems a lot different in europe: in an article i read in rolling stone, they quoted the senior judge of england's highest court saying that the marijuana prohibition was "stupid" and that he "absolutely" agreed with the legalization of it. kind of interesting...

kungfu

[blackpeter]

Steve Jobs = Pot smoker, LSD user, and outside-the-box thinker.

Only the bold truly "Think Different." The fearful will always find a reason not to dare...

[Taft]

Originally posted by jiker

the truth is this: we have endogenous receptors for THC, meaning, we have natural binding sites on our neurons. we are just finding out what the endogenous neurotransmitter (the naturally occuring chemical that normally binds to said receptor) is and what it could posibly do.


Thats how EVERY drug works. Drugs either bind themselves to the receptors in your brain and react with those receptors or block the receptors from getting their usual substance. In one form or another all drugs do this.

And because marijuana is similar to the substance it replaces in the receptors, there is almost no physical addiction. Mental addiction is possible, but I get mentally addicted to playing nintendo, so go figure.



we have no idea what the long term effects of marijuana are. it seems to affect the hippocampus in some way, hence short term memory could be affected, but we have no idea.

There have been lots of studies regarding this. Short term effects of marijuana smoking (and we are talking a LOT) indicate that memory and IQ can be effected, but the effects seem limited. Also, studies indicate that long term effects are neglegable showing that memory capacity and IQ return to previous levels once THC has left the system.

www.drugwarfacts.com has a lot of this information condensed and the references to where the full studies are.


the effects of marijuana and its metabolites are additive: meaning it's possible to take some other drug, be it legal or otherwise, and the effects of both can cause serious damage, even death (while unlikely).

First, on its own it is physically impossible to smoke enough weed to overdose. Second, mixing seriously speaks to the character of the person doing it. Mixing drugs is always a dangerous thing. Just ask any pharmacist.


it is possible that these other leaves can more cancerous/lethal than cigarettes. but putting all wild posibilities aside, you are MUCH more likely to develop lung cancer from weed than you are to develop cirrhosis (liver disease) from alcohol. bottomline..


I'd like to see your reference on this one. This seems to be pure speculation. There are factors that make marijuana bad for your lungs. The fact that it burns at a higher tempurature than tobacco is one of them. But for the all but the most hardcore of marijuana smokers, a little goes a long way, meaning they smoke a tiny fraction of what a cigarette smoker smokes in a given day or week. I think there is a lack of hard evidence either way in this area, but I cannot just blindly accept your statement.


caffeine is pretty much just as bad for your liver as alcohol is.
don't take anything man-made. while natural drugs are pretty bad, man-made drugs (MDMA, cocaine, heroin, etc.) will ******* you up hardcore. if you want to know about what the specifics are for these, just ask.


Again, for caffeine, where did you get your information. It is of course a diarrhetic and needs to be flushed out of your body. But Tylonal (sp?), Advil and most antihistamines have similar effects on your liver.

I'm just following your advice and taking the information I find on the internet with a grain of salt. I can find and quote hard studies that will refute some of your points. I'd like to see numbers on some of the points you've made here.

Taft

[krossfyter]

anybody die from too much caffeine ? anybody have picture of a liver from a person that drank a lot of caffeine?

[kungfu]

um... heheh, yeah, i've never heard of any caffeine related deaths, and i know people who drink a lot more caffeine than some alchoholics do with alcohol.

kungfu

[jefhatfield]

not anymore

can't afford getting up at 4 pm to start the morning and eating 20 dollars worth of taco bell

[krossfyter]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
not anymore

can't afford getting up at 4 pm to start the morning and eating 20 dollars worth of taco bell


hey hey jefhatfield! welcome back! stay awhile man. its a trip without you. glad to hear from you again.:D

[Hemingray]

I have never tried drugs, and I never will. It's just something else you can get addicted to that I don't need.

I think that a person that takes drugs needs something to turn to that they can't find in themselves.

[kungfu]

Originally posted by Hemingray
I think that a person that takes drugs needs something to turn to that they can't find in themselves.

wow, that's a pretty broad generalization... maybe for some people, but definitely not for everyone. why do you think that everyone who uses drugs NEEDS to use them to "find something else"? (i hate how people categorize pot with ALL other drugs, each is very different)... how do you know that they don't just want to have fun?

kungfu

[jiker]

Thats how EVERY drug works. Drugs either bind themselves to the receptors in your brain and react with those receptors or block the receptors from getting their usual substance. In one form or another all drugs do this.

yes. i was just supplying background info.

you said:
There have been lots of studies regarding this. Short term effects of marijuana smoking (and we are talking a LOT) indicate that memory and IQ can be effected, but the effects seem limited. Also, studies indicate that long term effects are neglegable showing that memory capacity and IQ return to previous levels once THC has left the system.

i said:
we have no idea what the long term effects of marijuana are. it seems to affect the hippocampus in some way, hence short term memory could be affected, but we have no idea.

i think we are saying the same thing here. thats why i used words like "seems to" and "could be", but you have stated what i meant to say: "effects are negligible". so we don't know what the long term effects are. just filling people in, if they haven't read up.

First, on its own it is physically impossible to smoke enough weed to overdose. Second, mixing seriously speaks to the character of the person doing it. Mixing drugs is always a dangerous thing. Just ask any pharmacist.

yes, agreed. again, just letting people who might not know, know.

I'd like to see your reference on this one. This seems to be pure speculation. There are factors that make marijuana bad for your lungs. The fact that it burns at a higher tempurature than tobacco is one of them. But for the all but the most hardcore of marijuana smokers, a little goes a long way, meaning they smoke a tiny fraction of what a cigarette smoker smokes in a given day or week. I think there is a lack of hard evidence either way in this area, but I cannot just blindly accept your statement.

i dont really know what you are commenting on here. is it the factors that make weed bad for you lungs, or that smoking is worse than drinking? i'm not sure...
but the amount of a substance is a big issue, i agree with you there. i'll try to find the studies my professor was refering to here for clarification of my statement.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Hemingray
I have never tried drugs, and I never will. It's just something else you can get addicted to that I don't need.

I think that a person that takes drugs needs something to turn to that they can't find in themselves.

i sometimes drink red wine, but do no other drugs

for me, high cholesterol foods are a drug to me and i have to carefully watch it, because they can kill me deader than a doornail

cigarettes are the top killer listed as a drug, but fatty foods kill more people yearly

doctor dean edell, radio doc talk show host, said perhaps they should put warning lables on mcD's fattening foods

if the powers that be can make a label on saccharin or cell phones, both safer than a big mac, then why not label the truly dangerous stuff...quarter pounder with cheese sounds good to me right about now...he he...but i won't

[Rower_CPU]

Speaking of...how's the diet going? I'm still stalled out...:(

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by jefhatfield




if the powers that be can make a label on saccharin or cell phones, both safer than a big mac, then why not label the truly dangerous stuff...quarter pounder with cheese sounds good to me right about now...he he...but i won't

most of the deceased in my family died from a cholesterol related illness...and statistically, in everybody's family here on macrumors

heart diesease alone, just one of the cholesterol related illnesses, kills almost twice as many people as cancer...and some types of cancer could be related to a bad, fatty diet, too

i am not saying this to put mcD's out of business, it's just a medical fact...but maybe arn could clarify on that since he's a doc

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Speaking of...how's the diet going? I'm still stalled out...:(

same wieght and size, gained maybe two pounds on vacation in los angeles, but took it back down...but to enter 165 or 160, i have got to get on the treadmill, track, court, pool, walking....something

it sucks being 38, almost 39, and not being able to eat as i wish

i have to actually eat what i need vs what i want and those two things are different

i am good at the simple life elsewhere since i am actually happy with a 366 and 300 mhz computers and my slow volvo station wagon is fast enough for me topping out at 75 mph...downhill

but 2,000 calories...that feels like starving and it hurts...badly ;)

[krossfyter]

umm HI!

:p

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by krossfyter
umm HI!

:p

too funny:p

[Rower_CPU]

My gf and I are finally getting on a structured workout system...training for a half marathon in January. It will just take a little while for my system to respond...slow metabolism.

2 pounds a week is the most I want to lose, to prevent rebounding.

[dnte42]

I wouldn't miss McDonald's, Burger King or Wendy's maybe. Luckily for me I am able to stomach less and less of that greasy crap as I grow older. In a few years pizza will probably be the closest thing to fast food I'll be able to stand.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by dnte42
I wouldn't miss McDonald's, Burger King or Wendy's maybe. Luckily for me I am able to stomach less and less of that greasy crap as I grow older. In a few years pizza will probably be the closest thing to fast food I'll be able to stand.

you will live long, then!!!

my goal is to live to 66.7 years...any more is bonus time ;)

in 1963, that was the average life expectency of someone born that year, like i was...not counting infant or childhood related deaths but actual old age, body giving out, becoming old like the rollling stones ;)

i live in a retirement community and those who make it into their 80s and beyond brag about it, because they, and only they, know how hard that truly is to achieve...most say they are the only ones left will all their friends dead

when social security was implemented in the old days, one only lived two or three months past 62 years of age on average!

[wake up Jobs!!!]

drugs are for ****heads
if you want to go to college or play sports, DONT DO DRUGS.

-GaBe-O

[dnte42]

Originally posted by wake up Jobs!!!
drugs are for ****heads
if you want to go to college or play sports, DONT DO DRUGS.

-GaBe-O

Heh, that's kinda funny...when I was in high school, at least 60% of the jocks were pot heads, usually smoking it out in the parking lot (the resident police officer didn't really care, gave occasional tickets to look like he was working). Oh, and look at the Dallas Cowboys :p

On a side note, if you want to be a pothead, come out to Ann Arbor, home of the Hash Bash, $5 ticket for possession :rolleyes: This city is chock full of hippies...

[whfsdude]

lol I'm not going to flat out say it but iumm ok nevermind. Could be DEA reading this.

YES, and we need to hae coffee shops like Amsterdam.

Who needs drugs anyway. They put me on Riddlin (sp?) because they thought I was ADHD which I was not :( But if you think about it I was on speed for 7 years of my life :D Well its kind of sad really :( Can't remember much of my childhood :( Spent a week in the Mental hopsital untill the took me off and found out I wasn't ADHD. 7 years down the drain, eh? Well I got a lot more good years to come. You know I am only 15 ;)

Also I was on the Riddiln (sp?) when I beat up that nun 2 my old school hheheheheh



GOOD TIMES :)

[rainman::|:|]

whee, where to dig in. I'm not going to debate the legality of marijuana, i don't feel a need to: Nevada is going to have it legalized within the next 5 years. I'm almost sure of it. California is fighting it's own battle, blah blah. NORML has been chugging away for some 20 years, and we're just now seeing some results. These things take time.

I'm not going to debate the health issues either. I started smoking menthol (cigs) specifically because i heard it increases the absorbtion of THC into the aveoli... So i'm not exactly a health poster-boy.

What i am going to say is this: I hear a lot of ideas about why druggies use, or what keeps 'em addicted, etc. I say this. UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN THERE you don't know! you don't know how drugs make you like yourself (sometimes for the first time in your life!) and how wonderful that feeling is, even for a little while... You don't know how hard it is to deal with sobriety... YOU DON'T KNOW. You've never had the shakes or a 3-day insomnia jag because your dealer cut you off. I'm not saying it's a glamorous lifestyle, but it's better than some alternatives. And to be fair to both sides, before i go any further, i'm gonna clue everyone in to a fact that's mysteriously been left out by the pot-advocates: somewhere between 10 and 13% of the population has a naturally occurring hydrocannibinoid deficiency and can actually become physically addicted. Combine that with a preexisting mental health problem, and you have me :) took me months to kick the habit. I sound like one of those frigging born agains, don't i? i'm certainly not against pot use. I still get high occasionally, but now i'm careful to not fall in my old rut again. Anway, my point is, i don't think it's responsible to say that people can't get addicted, just because you don't know anyone that is. pot isn't a miracle drug, there are downsides. Leave the propoganda to the DEA.

To end on a more positive note, here's something a few of you might know: the health implications can almost be totally cancelled by a vaporizer... for the curious, it's basically a small hotplate connected to a tube, operating on the principle that THC vaporizes at a much lower temperature than the organic material burns at. It's not foolproof or easy, or particularly cheap, but the option is there. I've never been a fan because i like to *see* the smoke...

:)
pnw

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by kungfu


wow, that's a pretty broad generalization... maybe for some people, but definitely not for everyone. why do you think that everyone who uses drugs NEEDS to use them to "find something else"? (i hate how people categorize pot with ALL other drugs, each is very different)... how do you know that they don't just want to have fun?

kungfu

Okay, for my post, DRUG = mind-altering substance. Now that that's cleared up...

If they "just want to have fun", then either they are uneducated as to the consequences of using the drug, or they have little to no respect for their mental or physical health, in which case I say let them screw themselves up. :rolleyes:

[kungfu]

Originally posted by Hemingray


Okay, for my post, DRUG = mind-altering substance. Now that that's cleared up...

If they "just want to have fun", then either they are uneducated as to the consequences of using the drug, or they have little to no respect for their mental or physical health, in which case I say let them screw themselves up. :rolleyes:

uneducated as to the consequences of the drug? what are the consequences? i'm not sure that anyone really knows. its very vague as to what marijuana does to your body, other than the fact that you're inhaling smoke... even then, I've never heard of any aging hippies dying of lung cancer in relation to smoking marijuana. most studies conducted concerning the long term effects of the drug haven't shown much... marijuana has definitely proven itself to be less harmful than alcohol or tabacco.

"screw themselves up"...? are all of the marijuana smokers that you know "screwed up"?

sorry, but i think you're relatively "uneducated" about this. i'm totally alright with people just not wanting to smoke, that's fine, but people who make rash assumptions about the effects of marijuana without having even trying it dissapoint me.

kungfu

[3rdpath]

Originally posted by wake up Jobs!!!
drugs are for ****heads
if you want to go to college or play sports, DONT DO DRUGS.



but if you want to be president...feel free to do as much coke as you want.:D

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by kungfu
its very vague as to what marijuana does to your body, other than the fact that you're inhaling smoke... even then, I've never heard of any aging hippies dying of lung cancer in relation to smoking marijuana.

Yeah, and in the 40's and 50's DDT was heralded as a wonder for killing fleas on dogs and keeping pests away from family picnics. :rolleyes:

most studies conducted concerning the long term effects of the drug haven't shown much... marijuana has definitely proven itself to be less harmful than alcohol or tabacco.

Sorry, man, it's either harmful or not harmful. Even though it's "less harmful" than alcohol or tobacco, it has no reason being in my body. Large amounts of marijuana affects the hippocampus, the part of your brain that deals with memory.

"screw themselves up"...? are all of the marijuana smokers that you know "screwed up"?

They're screwed up to me, because they're introducing foreign substances into their body for no benefit other than a periodic mental "high".

sorry, but i think you're relatively "uneducated" about this. i'm totally alright with people just not wanting to smoke, that's fine, but people who make rash assumptions about the effects of marijuana without having even trying it dissapoint me.

kungfu

Sorry, but I took a college psychology course on this. And I'm glad you're alright with me not wanting to smoke. That's just it... I know that I could try just about any drug available if I really wanted to. It's within my power. But I value my body enough that I don't need that stuff, even if it's "just for fun". The majority of pot smokers I talk to come from the same angle, "I'm okay with you not smoking, why aren't you okay with me smoking?" Because I can't respect those who don't respect themselves.

[freedom]

Hey mr amnesiac1984!

All black afghan comes from paki u know…
I´ve been to the Parvati-valley in India,
and their ****** was rokking…
Less than a quid 4 a tollah (ca. 10 g)!
Really I´d say 50 p/10 g.
All black and oily…
And that was in the low season,
two months BEFORE harvest!!!
In paki it´s even cheaper, same goes
for nepal. Good charras.

It seems you´ve got good friends!

Going back to asia this winter,
heard to many good things about the
growth in the philippines´ mountains!
:)

[Taft]

Originally posted by paulwhannel

What i am going to say is this: I hear a lot of ideas about why druggies use, or what keeps 'em addicted, etc. I say this. UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN THERE you don't know! you don't know how drugs make you like yourself (sometimes for the first time in your life!) and how wonderful that feeling is, even for a little while... You don't know how hard it is to deal with sobriety... YOU DON'T KNOW. You've never had the shakes or a 3-day insomnia jag because your dealer cut you off. I'm not saying it's a glamorous lifestyle, but it's better than some alternatives. And to be fair to both sides, before i go any further, i'm gonna clue everyone in to a fact that's mysteriously been left out by the pot-advocates: somewhere between 10 and 13% of the population has a naturally occurring hydrocannibinoid deficiency and can actually become physically addicted. Combine that with a preexisting mental health problem, and you have me :) took me months to kick the habit. I sound like one of those frigging born agains, don't i? i'm certainly not against pot use. I still get high occasionally, but now i'm careful to not fall in my old rut again. Anway, my point is, i don't think it's responsible to say that people can't get addicted, just because you don't know anyone that is. pot isn't a miracle drug, there are downsides. Leave the propoganda to the DEA.


Its not propaganda. Its statistics and how the drug works.

I've never been one to say that pot was good for you. Its smoke contains carcinogans (unless you are getting some other way of course....vaporizors....). Its a mind altering drug (can be hazardous when intoxicated--no driving!!). And it has a small amount of physically addictive properties (though far less than most drugs and not enough to get addicted in most cases).

The fact is that it *is* safer than most drugs and in a way that does make it a mcuh better drug of choice; a so called miracle drug. But having said that, that certainly doesn't make it good for your health. Drugs are bad, mmm-kay. :p

I've never seen that bit on hydrocannibinoid deficiency. You got some documentation??

Taft

[Jays]

There is a very big problem associated with the use of hash, weed... that is the fact that it is illegal!
Until the 1920's it was not illegal in any country in the would until the US and mr. Due Pont, started the useless war on marijuana, since than thousands of Americans, Canadians and Europeans have lost their right for freedom of choice.
people lost possessions, property, jobs, family, have been beaten arrested and abused for possession of a Joint!!

The debate if it good or bad is pointless, that is an individuals choice just like the rest of the food and drinks and cigarettes that are in the supermarket lots of them are really poisons, courses cancer hyper tension, allergies, high cholesterol and the list goes on and on...

Because it is Illegal in most countries you have to deal with the criminal world to get your smoke, and there for giving your money to the Mob.... just like the old days of the stupid alchohol ban the US experimented with last century. The land of liberty has yet a long way to go in some respected, btw in Belgium, the UK Portugal and some other countries people and governments are starting to wake up to the Human right's abuse that has been going on, there is absolutely no damage, crime or violence associated with the use of marijuana there is only brain wash spread by the US of A.

Liberty means the right of individual choices, as long as it does not harm anyone els it should not be illegal!!

[Taft]

Originally posted by Hemingray

Sorry, man, it's either harmful or not harmful. Even though it's "less harmful" than alcohol or tobacco, it has no reason being in my body. Large amounts of marijuana affects the hippocampus, the part of your brain that deals with memory.


Its already been established on this forum and other places (www.drugwarfacts.com) that it takes a very large amount over an extended period of time before affecting a person's memory and IQ. Much more than the amount a person would normally smoke. And even when the effects do take place, studies have shown that they are not permenant and memory and IQ return to their normal levels after a period when THC has exited from the body.


Sorry, but I took a college psychology course on this. And I'm glad you're alright with me not wanting to smoke. That's just it... I know that I could try just about any drug available if I really wanted to. It's within my power. But I value my body enough that I don't need that stuff, even if it's "just for fun". The majority of pot smokers I talk to come from the same angle, "I'm okay with you not smoking, why aren't you okay with me smoking?" Because I can't respect those who don't respect themselves.

This is exactly the holier than thou, my sh** don't stink attitude that pisses me off. You are making several assumptions, the largest and most annoying of which is that what you think is good for yourself, is good for everyone else. Thats just bull. As long as a persons choice doesn't effect you or the population as a whole, it is not your place to dictate how that person lives.

This is the same kind of attitude that makes some Christians try to convert Jews ("You're going to Hell!!!"), some vegetarians to pester the average consumer ("Meat is murder!!!"), some pro-lifers to harrass abortion clinics (Insert zealous statement here.), some political supporters--right or left--to proclaim exactlly what is good for our country no matter what the other side says, some Americans to proclaim other country's ways of life to be "wrong" in favor of our own lifestyle.

Get off your high horse about this. Just as I respect what you do with *your* body and life, respect what I do with mine.

Believe it or not, I am making rational and informed decisions which *I* think will allow me to live my life to the fullest. I do not disrespect my body, but you don't seem to have a problem disrespecting me.

Taft

[kungfu]

Well said taft... wow, so anyway, now that this poll is pretty much over, (statistically) 1/3 of the macrumors community smokes pot... i guess my assumption was right! that's a lot!

kungfu ;)

[Taft]

14/24ths is a little better than 1/3.

But I'd imagine this poll has a pretty high rate of error. ("I wonder if Arn would give our names up to the DEA?? :eek: Better not vote.") Plus the people that voted represent a tiny fraction of the Macrumors community and are probably not representitive of the community as a whole.

I'd imagine that the percentage of MacRumors member who smoke is higher than thhe national average. But I have no proof to back that up. Just a guess amittedly based on some stereotypes of the Mac community. Heh.

Taft

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by Taft
This is exactly the holier than thou, my sh** don't stink attitude that pisses me off. You are making several assumptions, the largest and most annoying of which is that what you think is good for yourself, is good for everyone else. Thats just bull. As long as a persons choice doesn't effect you or the population as a whole, it is not your place to dictate how that person lives.

Right, pal, I was establishing the fact that I wasn't uneducated about all this as kungfu seemed to think I was. The plain fact is, not introducing foreign substances into your body IS best for you. You simply can't argue that. Oh, and as for drugs not affecting the population as a whole, every time someone under the influence of drugs gets behind the wheel, drives down a road and accidentally kills someone, that is affecting the population, pure and simple. Any substance that has the capability to disorient you is only setting you up for an accident.

This is the same kind of attitude that makes some Christians try to convert Jews ("You're going to Hell!!!"), some vegetarians to pester the average consumer ("Meat is murder!!!"), some pro-lifers to harrass abortion clinics (Insert zealous statement here.), some political supporters--right or left--to proclaim exactlly what is good for our country no matter what the other side says, some Americans to proclaim other country's ways of life to be "wrong" in favor of our own lifestyle.

Ah, I don't think you want to open this can of worms, this practically belongs in its own forum. The problem here is some people believe in absolutes, and some don't. You, apparently, don't. I do. I believe there is a right and a wrong, independent of our individual beliefs.

Get off your high horse about this. Just as I respect what you do with *your* body and life, respect what I do with mine.

Sorry, I won't budge. My beliefs will not change, and I don't expect yours to change either. I've already told you why I can't respect those in question.

Believe it or not, I am making rational and informed decisions which *I* think will allow me to live my life to the fullest. I do not disrespect my body, but you don't seem to have a problem disrespecting me.

Taft

There's a difference between disrespecting someone as a person and not showing respect to someone because of their choices. I have chosen the latter. Nobody is perfect. But if I care enough about other people of the human race, that share this planet with me and everybody else, I can't rightfully sit by and watch them do something that I believe to be wrong, and not say anything.

[Taft]

Originally posted by Hemingray
The plain fact is, not introducing foreign substances into your body IS best for you. You simply can't argue that. Oh, and as for drugs not affecting the population as a whole, every time someone under the influence of drugs gets behind the wheel, drives down a road and accidentally kills someone, that is affecting the population, pure and simple. Any substance that has the capability to disorient you is only setting you up for an accident.


Foreign substances?? Like pain killers?? Chemotherapy chemicals?? Multivitamins?? Drugs for depression or other mental disorders?? There are reasons we have drugs. And there is a reason a majority of the population uses some form of recreational drug. If you truly believe there is NO benefit to drugs or their recreational use, it speaks to your ability to reason. Not everything is absolute, a topic I'll address in a moment...

As for the issue of drunk/high driving, of course thats wrong. But thats thats a choice that is independent of the choice to recreationally use a drug. Even though you make the choice to use a drug recreationally, you still have another choice to make: wether or not to use that drug responsibly.

Overuse, mixing drugs, operating machinery that could endanger people's lives, losing control...those are all bad things. But just because a person chooses to use drugs, doesn't mean their choose to act irresponsibly.

I've never driven while drunk or under the influence of anything else. I don't mix drugs. I make sure to always stay in control. Other people can make those same choices. Those that don't begin to endanger their own life and the lives of others. I find that very irresponsible.


Ah, I don't think you want to open this can of worms, this practically belongs in its own forum. The problem here is some people believe in absolutes, and some don't. You, apparently, don't. I do. I believe there is a right and a wrong, independent of our individual beliefs.


And this is why we'll never be able to have a civil conversation about such topics. And this can of worms is at the core of the issue of social tolerance. Your stance precludes you from having such tolerance. If you must associate a moral right or wrong to every behavior, belief or action, you will inevitably begin casting dispersions on peoples' characters, thereby placing yourself above those who "do wrong" by believing or acting differently than you do.

While there are generally accepted evils in this world that involve egregious breaches of others' rights, the vast majority of issues are not as cut and dry. The fact that you try to make them such makes you a very intolerant person.


Sorry, I won't budge. My beliefs will not change, and I don't expect yours to change either. I've already told you why I can't respect those in question.


See above.


There's a difference between disrespecting someone as a person and not showing respect to someone because of their choices. I have chosen the latter. Nobody is perfect. But if I care enough about other people of the human race, that share this planet with me and everybody else, I can't rightfully sit by and watch them do something that I believe to be wrong, and not say anything.

There is a difference, you're right about that. But lets focus on the latter for the moment.

You have chosen to refuse me respect because of the choices I make. I've made those choices responsibly and as a result, these choices have never affected other people negatively or infringed on another persons rights.

The fact that you deny me respect after having acted so carefully and respectfully makes me quite angry and indignant. The fact that you don't even try to see my point of view makes me wonder about humanity and my ability to exist in it.

Taft

[amnesiac1984]

I think hemingray's refusal to see other peoples opinions on this topic and his outright righteous arrogance - definately - reflects - BADLY - on him as a person.

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION

[kungfu]

Wow hemingray, you're extremely close-minded.

You say your beliefs will NEVER change!? I can't believe that you would say that... You won't accept any new ideas, won't open anything for disscussion, and you keep maintaining this "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude... With that kind of a view on the world, things must become pretty bland.

And what's this about "foreign substances"! Do you eat? Most plants have at least 400 chemicals in them (as does the marijuana plant). You also state that it's a FACT that you're better off without these "foreign substances"... What about medicine? You say "You simply can't argue that"... Well, um, yeah, heh.

Furthermore, I think it's plain outright obnoxious that your refuse to accept people that don't have you're exact beliefs.

This is going to my last post on this topic, as I'm clearly just running into a brick wall here.

(and yes, Taft, I know the polls probably aren't very accurate, but still... It's just funny... BTW, it's amost up to 40% now :eek: ).

kungfu

[alex_ant]

Although I don't and have never used any type of drug (except to cure ailments etc.), sometimes while listening to albums like Electric Ladyland and Revolver and Pet Sounds and so on, I wish I did.

[BongHits]

Originally posted by kungfu
i hate all that crap. anyone who seeks to promote themselves by advertising that they smoke is pretty lame if you ask me (ie bonghits and inhale420), but i guess you never know.

we need to get together and smoke some time man! :D
its not really a promotion...but im proud of the massive bong hits i can take ;)

[BongHits]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
am i a stoner?

Not really, not in the sense that I will smoke on my own to get through the day. This last few weeks I have smoked quite a bit but thats only cos I've had the opportunity to, sometimes I go for months without touching the stuff. But me and my mates have a real good time smoking, and it gives us a real sense of friendship because of the memories we share. Group discussions become really interesting when you are all a bit stoned, people really open up and express their true feelings, even the really shy ones.

the thing is i'm at a turning point in my smoking career :D I'm about to start UNI and my friend just bought me some of my own weed for my birthday, I could potentially start smoking a lot more, but only where there's an advantage, ie some ladies are staying over and wanna smoke :D :D :D

anyway, that didn't sound too convoluted did it? hope not cos I'm actually stone cold sober

oh and freedom, ever tried afghan black? :)
afghan black? is that hash? only weed i know of ever called black was black widow....but that really had nothing to do with how the pot looked...chocolate thai on the other hand is great (actually more of a purple than chocolate color)

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
I think hemingray's refusal to see other peoples opinions on this topic and his outright righteous arrogance - definately - reflects - BADLY - on him as a person.

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION

Seeing and accepting are two different things, my friend. I see all of your views; that doesn't mean I have to accept them.

Just as you guys aren't afraid to speak up for yourselves on this matter, neither am I. If me objecting to others doing drugs "reflects badly" on me, so be it. For those of you who enjoy introducing drugs into your body, have a ball. Like you care if I approve of what you do or not... :rolleyes:

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by hitman


agree completely.

Have either one of you ever gotten drunk? Do you drink beer and get a buzz that you enjoy??? what's the difference between drinking alcohol and toking a joint?

Please....

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by macsurfer
Hemingray lives in ******** Dana Point, Orange County (otherwise known as "behind the Orange Curtain"), CA. What do you expect????

Oh please... and just how exactly is that supposed to pertain to this topic? Looks like all you're interested in is boosting your post count. :rolleyes:

[j763]

Originally posted by SilvorX
im not a stoner but the only mac stoner i know is mac15 :P, hes high non stop :P
jkjk

ROTFLMAO :D ;) :p

[j763]

Originally posted by Hemingray


Looks like all you're interested in is boosting your post count. :rolleyes:

well, what was the point in posting that???

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by macsurfer
Have either one of you ever gotten drunk? Do you drink beer and get a buzz that you enjoy??? what's the difference between drinking alcohol and toking a joint?

Please....

exactly, there is no difference to me. in fact i'd probably agree that alcohol has worse effects overall. i have never been drunk... so don't assume. that said, i don't care what you do.

"please...."


hemingray- it's cool. i still respect you. i think your points were fairly well thought out and such. you're just outnumbered at this point... ie, the people who want to smoke/do drugs care more to defend themselves than those who don't do it care to argue their point.... but doesn't mean we're not here... ha

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


exactly, there is no difference to me. in fact i'd probably agree that alcohol has worse effects overall. i have never been drunk... so don't assume. that said, i don't care what you do.

"please...."


hemingray- it's cool. i still respect you. i think your points were fairly well thought out and such. you're just outnumbered at this point... ie, the people who want to smoke/do drugs care more to defend themselves than those who don't do it care to argue their point.... but doesn't mean we're not here... ha

So answer the question, instead of avoiding it. Do you drink alcohol? Have you ever had a beer? And did you enjoy the buzz you got off of the alcohol or, wait, let me guess, you only drank it for the "flavor".....Mr. Jello*SHOTS*RULE*. Hmmmmm, do you want to explain to the forum what jello shots are, or shall I??????? That's certainly an interesting choice for a screen name.

[peterjhill]

I am amazed that this thread is still going on... The next thread should be how long until pot is federally legalized (or at least taken off of the illegal substance list). I would say in about twenty years. The arguement that many anti-drug advocates use is that it is a gateway drug. I can see that only when it is used in quantity by minors. I think that alcohol is the bigger risk to youth today. Teens are more likely to drink and drive than to get in an accident from smoking and driving. (IMHO)

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by macsurfer
So answer the question, instead of avoiding it. Do you drink alcohol? Have you ever had a beer? And did you enjoy the buzz you got off of the alcohol or, wait, let me guess, you only drank it for the "flavor".....Mr. Jello*SHOTS*RULE*. Hmmmmm, do you want to explain to the forum what jello shots are, or shall I??????? That's certainly an interesting choice for a screen name.

i don't drink alcohol. i had a sip of my dad's beer when i was a kid. nothing since.

good try tough

as for my screen name... i don't feel the need to explain what jello shots are. i think most people here know better than i do. why is it my screen name? well, as a joke. to make fun of drinking. i'm actually straight edge and don't drink or do any drugs.

again, good try though


peter- yeah, i think alcohol is worse too... though with pot being illegal, it takes a tad more to get it and thus could bring kids into a worse ring of things... dont' get me wrong. it's not "hard" to get i'm sure. though i haven't tried. so i don't know... but yeah. the effects aren't as strong as alcohol on a short term basis for sure.

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by j763


well, what was the point in posting that???

There wouldn't have been any point in posting that *IF* that was the only thing I posted. But you ignored the first part of my post, that related to one of his four posts that was a pointless attack on me. That's called SPAM. And, consequently, so was your post. :rolleyes:

jelloshotsrule - Yeah, I kinda figured I'd be outnumbered when I went into this topic, but oh well. We all need a little non-Mac action around here every once in awhile. ;) I support your choice as being Straight Edge too, to whatever degree you take it. Few have that kind of desire or willpower.

And as for you, macsurfer, your posts are starting to get out of line. In number and in content. You don't see anyone else in here calling people names. And I would suggest that you learn how to address more than one sentence per post. Your three- and four-posts SPAM is unnecessary.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by macsurfer
Look "old man", my posts can be as short or as long as I want, and I can post as many times as I want. Also, my comment on where you live most certainly has to do with this topic. Anyone who is familiar with the politics of California knows that.

Actually, you can't. Spam posts will be removed my moderators.

Your attitude is nothing short of inflammatory, and is not appreciated.

If you truly wish to discuss the topic, please do so in a civil manner.

[macsurfer]

Edited By Moderator: Messages that are personal attacks of other forum members will be deleted. Messages that are short, repetitive, and meaningless will be deleted. Double posting is generally thought of as poor form, and multi-posts (especially when they are incendiary) are considered rude and will be deleted. Respect other members.

[amnesiac1984]

but hemingray, I have every respect for jelloshotsrules decision to be "straight edge" for the same reason you should have respect for we who have made the decision to put substances into our body that we enjoy, especially as many of us have explained how we use these substances in moderation and we use them responsibly. How do you know how respectful of our bodies we are? For all you know I could be an absolute health freak who has a strict diet and excersize regime but allows myslef a few things for enjoyment. (BTW I'm not)

And another thing. Using the same argument you COULD suggest that the habit that we all share of staying indoors, looking at the screens of our beloved macs instead of interacting socially is also a kind of "drug". In fact you could stretch to saying that getting cained with a load of mates and interacting in real world conversation is more healthy than sitting in front of your mac in a darkened room!.

In short, I think that the two things, using a computer and smoking drugs, are very similar in terms of potential harm to your physical and mental well being. You rant on about not wanting to put alien substances into your body, many people would also express concern about the risks of too much tv or computer (my parents for that matter :D)!!!

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by macsurfer
I'm not posting SPAM moron. Everything I have posted is a response to something in this thread.

Not when you take 3 or 4 posts to address a single post by someone else.

Tone it down, or you won't be here for long. Personal attacks and inciting flamewars doesn't cut it here, go somewhere else for that and stop trolling around.

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by macsurfer
I'm not posting SPAM moron. Everything I have posted is a response to something in this thread.

actually if you READ his post. you'll realise that he is not suggesting that it is spam. He is merely responding to your misinformed claims that you are allowed to post what you want on this forum.

he was also suggesting that you were being inflamatory which also does not equal spam, but it is not an excepted way to behave.

[macsurfer]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984


actually if you READ his post. you'll realise that he is not suggesting that it is spam. He is merely responding to your misinformed claims that you are allowed to post what you want on this forum.

he was also suggesting that you were being inflamatory which also does not equal spam, but it is not an excepted way to behave.

Ummmmm yes if YOU READ his post you would see that he DID imply they were SPAM.

[eyelikeart]

if this keeps up the thread's gonna get closed...there's already been a couple of reports on this one... :rolleyes:

[AmbitiousLemon]

Messages that are personal attacks of other forum members will be deleted. Messages that are short, repetitive, and meaningless will be deleted. Double posting is generally thought of as poor form, and multi-posts (especially when they are incendiary) are considered rude and will be deleted. Respect other members.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by macsurfer
Because of pansy asses like you. Delete me then. It's just the internet, one way to kill time on a Sunday afternoon.....nothing to be taken seriously......I really don't care.

Well at least you've finally admitted why you're here.

This was a serious discussion of a very controversial topic until you decided to "kill time on a Sunday afternoon".:rolleyes:

Now let's see if things can get back on track...

[Hemingray]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
And another thing. Using the same argument you COULD suggest that the habit that we all share of staying indoors, looking at the screens of our beloved macs instead of interacting socially is also a kind of "drug". In fact you could stretch to saying that getting cained with a load of mates and interacting in real world conversation is more healthy than sitting in front of your mac in a darkened room!.

In short, I think that the two things, using a computer and smoking drugs, are very similar in terms of potential harm to your physical and mental well being. You rant on about not wanting to put alien substances into your body, many people would also express concern about the risks of too much tv or computer (my parents for that matter :D)!!!

That's funny, I literally just got off the phone with my mom talking about that, spending too much time indoors in front of the computer. :D I gotta admit I was pretty bad about that about a year ago, I was practically turning into a hermit. But now I spend a lot more time with family and friends, outdoors. It's definitely a lot more healthy. :)

[King Cobra]

Hemingray, that is so true.

[To answer this thread's question, what is a stoner?]

Now I spend my time on the forums posting less info or just posting faster, so I have more time for the other stuff. Not to mention class and HS is enjoyable w/o Macs + Net. :p

[vniow]

I think being high is a state of mind, it's not necceceraly activated by drugs, I've gotten high off of the wierdest *****, like when I was installing Mandrake a couple days ago, that was a high, when I got my drivers liscense, or when I go out in public with 7 layers of makeup on and people look at me funny, that's always a big high.:D That's why I've avoided drugs is because I figured out I don't need them. I'm not against them by any means, but my choice of drug is a little different than the norm. :)

[amnesiac1984]

so we agree on something at last hemingray. he he.

but seriously, do you not agree that I may have a point? the gist I got from your discussion with Taft was that you cannot respect people who put alien substances in their body. Well, I am to asume that you disrespect them because of the personal health implications of their actions. (not because you feel for the well-being of the alien substance or some other explanation :p ) So basically you feel you cannot respect somebody who does something that is in detriment to their health. You can extrapolate (is that the right word?) this into meaning that you do not respect people who put at risk their well being in general. So therefore, if you cannot hold any respect for people who toke on a spliff every now and then, you should not have any respect for all the people on these boards who sit in front of their computers.

Ah but, you say, some of these people will protest, "We only do this every so often to pass the time, or when we have a free moment at work, we are not hermits" You said yourself you used to be a hermit, but now you spend more time away from macrumors.

Can you see what I'm getting at? What I, and many others on this thread, do with our bodies, is arguably not any worse than many thousands of other things we could be spending our time doing, eg. sitting in front of the computer. WHy sit in front of a computer when its sunny outside and there are friends to go and see? well cos its what we like doing for fun, amusement etc etc.......

Have I completely lost it or what? :D :D

(i'm a bit over excited as my new computer arrives tomorrow)

heh heh

[Taft]

Holy crap! This thread got out of hand. Macsurfer, dude, you've got to mellow out a bit. Thats definitely not the way to get your point across, no matter how good your point may be.

amnesiac1984-I like the point you make about computer use. And I think this could apply to other things (in excess) as well; junk-food, TV, or even things like reading. I hadn't thought about it.

And just to re-iterate the basis of my arguments (which seem to have been lost in all of the incendiary comments from pro-drug people)...

I'm not at all attacking those people who choose not to do drugs. I say, "Good for you." to those people. I am simply taking offense to the idea that my lifestyle choices would be looked down upon simply because others see it as "wrong". Hemingray was right in that this is a topic onto itself and speaks to a larger societal issue.

Quite simply I view people who cannot see past their preconceived notions of wrong and right as very intolerant. When I'm on the "wrong" side of the street and people call me on that, I have a tendancy to get worked up.

Taft

[amnesiac1984]

well i think that jsut about wraps it up taft, this thread should probably be closed now.

but its been great to be a part of it! heh heh

[Mr. Anderson]

wow, i'm gone for most of a day on Sunday and don't check my email till this morning and I really missed the excitement.

after reading some and catching a little of the comments as quoted in posted responses, I'm wondering why it wasn't closed.....

[AmbitiousLemon]

Originally posted by dukestreet
wow, i'm gone for most of a day on Sunday and don't check my email till this morning and I really missed the excitement.

after reading some and catching a little of the comments as quoted in posted responses, I'm wondering why it wasn't closed.....

all the reported posts were sort of begging us not to close it. so i just kinda went through and 'fixed' it.

[Mr. Anderson]

ah, seemed to work

nice 'tar, btw - fellow lunar

ET? or another movie?

D

[AmbitiousLemon]

Joe versus the Volcano

[amnesiac1984]

nah it wasn't too bad. There was one guy, but I had fun, and enjoyed quite an in depth thread.

[blackpeter]

Originally posted by Hemingray
I have never tried drugs, and I never will. It's just something else you can get addicted to that I don't need.

I think that a person that takes drugs needs something to turn to that they can't find in themselves.

Hemm,

I think that is true of many drug addicts. But that statement is a little over generalized. Many people could take a look at your post-count and how much time you spend on a computer rumor site and think that you must be missing something in your life.

Inbalance comes in many forms. Moderation is the key.

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by tfaz1
But that statement is a little over generalized. Many people could take a look at your post-count and how much time you spend on a computer rumor site and think that you must be missing something in your life.

Inbalance comes in many forms. Moderation is the key.

I resemble that remark! :D

But its true in many ways - and not all drugs are addicting - some people are more easily caught up in addictions than others.

One thing I've found in the few times I've taken pot is that its a much more social drug (from my experience) like alcohol. I've only had it when someone has passed the joint or bong, I've never bought any and I've never sat around smoking some by myself. And I haven't had any in 5 years or so, and its not been calling me back even though I've been offered a smoke on more than one occassion since.

But I have on occassion sat around and had a glass of wine or beer alone - but never to get drunk.

I think if you find yourself doing it solo, getting hammered or stoned, that might be a problem.

D

[SkidMarkJones]

Stoners and computers go hand in hand....please.....tell me that this isnt true...if you dont believe me just go over to a local apple store and take a serious look at people.......i will guarantee that 1/2 of them are on the red eye express...

as for me......i use drugs as an enhancement of things i already enjoy....movies...books....MUSIC...driving...SEX...playing with my cat...s-h-i-t like that....

And i have total respect for those of you who dont use.....esp those that dont use and dont knock others that do.....damn that is dumb......

"I have no idea what I am talking about but I am sure that pot is terrible for you and it must come from satan himself.....now excuse me as I go and indoctrinate myself on more horse**** and beer...."



Weed induced>>??? you be the judge....

[barkmonster]

I had a joint for the first time the night before I sat my Science GCSE exam when I was 15, it chilled me out and the next day I was concentrating properly, all the nerves were gone and I got the grade I wanted.

The downside was that within 6 months I'd started smoking. I quit when I was 18 for nearly 7 months and started again because I was stressed about some girl at college.

I've never been able to quit smoking although I don't smoke weed much, I can count the amount of times I've been stoned in the past 5 years on 1 hand. Cigarettes are the bad part of getting stoned, the legal, taxable drug the government don't like to be seen to encourage but without the huge amount of tax the NHS would probably be even worse than it is now.

If I'd never had that joint I probably would have never started smoking, I used to tell people to leave the room if they were smoking near me, I hated it that much.

I must admit though, a nice bag of sticky northern lights or skunk is okay once in while if you're around you're mates at a barbeque or something. Smoking it on you're own is a bad idea, if you're depressed it lowers your mood even more, I'm not listening to anyone who says otherwise because It did it to me so I know it's true.

Then again, Alcohol is major depressant and people have been drowning their sorrows with it for centuries

I'd say weed should be legal for recreational use, purely for the tax it could generate and the fact that it doesn't cause people to be violent to each other like alcohol. football, alcohol and a mindless group of morons who only live for the team they support is far more harmful to other people who are just enjoying the game than a bunch of stoners falling over each other to get a take away 'cos they've got the munchies.

[medea]

Who needs drugs, I've got my mac......
Plluss Druuggsw wousld ImMpaire mi typoing


:rolleyes: