Apple Trademarks 'Graphulator' and 'Bonjour'

[MacRumors]

A simple search for current trademarks by Apple Computer at The US Patent and Trademark office (http://www.uspto.gov/) reveals a new trademark for "computer hardware; computer software" under the mark "Graphulator".

The trademark was filed on February 3rd 2005 by Apple Computer.

Apple has also trademarked 'Bonjour' in late January which is reportedly to be used to rename Apple's current Rendezvous technology due to litigation.

While Apple's trademarks have traditionally preceded new products, Apple does also hold trademarks for several names which have never been used. (Gigawire (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2001/10/20011017174417.shtml), iWrite (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/12/20031215211535.shtml) and others)

[dloomer]

Why the hangup on French names? "Bonjour" sounds horrible.

[ruud]

I was under the impression it was going to be renamed OpenTalk? :confused:

[Littleodie914]

"Bonjour" sounds horrible.Sure does... C'mon Apple, you can come up with something better than that!

[displaced]

Why the hangup on French names? "Bonjour" sounds horrible.

'Rendezvous' always felt a bit cheeky to me. A bit 'nugde-nudge, wink-wink', 'quick knee-trembler in the store room', if you catch my drift.

'Bonjour' ... errr, doesn't really.

I certainly don't think a 'Bonjour' menu on my Safari bookmark bar would be all that great...

[Diatribe]

This may very well be the new graphing calculator. And Bonjour has got to be the worst name they could've chosen... :eek:

[TenderBranson]

3rd component to Iwork?

[ravenvii]

Maybe they plan to hold "Gigawire" until they can manage to suck 1 Gb through a USB/Firewire-derivative.

My opinion: Rendevzous > Bonjour.

And Graphulator = obviously new graph calculator.

[dotnina]

3rd component to Iwork?

Probably the graphing calculator that will be a new feature in Tiger.

[Loge]

This may very well be the new graphing calculator. And Bonjour has got to be the worst name they could've chosen... :eek:

Well, apart from Graphulator, that is :eek:

[Diatribe]

Well, apart from Graphulator, that is :eek:

Yeah, you're right. That's pretty bad too. :D

[PlaceofDis]

Graphulator, that sounds cheesy to me, just like Bonjour, but who knows what will happen, wonder why they went with Pages instead of iWrite though, and i bet once a gig can be moved though a firewire type cable gigawire will become a product.

will be interesting to see what these come out as, if anything

[AmigoMac]

Graphu.. hahaha! awful!!

Bon ... ??? :rolleyes:

Freedom fries Steve? (J/K) ;)

[backspinner]

No kidding, some time ago I wrote an inhouse program that is called graphulator. It's a user front-end to a drawing library.

[Chimera]

Bonjour..ugh I don't like that if you're going to use a foreign language make it one that we don't know the translation of or one that isn't used much, i can't see hp saying 'the 5510n is Bonjour compatible' somehow oh well.

Graphulator sounds ok, i bet there will be a pre-installed dashboard widget in Tiger that also has some reduced features of this app, if not i'm sure someone will make it.

[virividox]

bonjour ick

[autrefois]

Is "Liaison" taken? That'd be better than "Bonjour."

[Zigster]

I'm sure marketing will get rid of the French names before they release the product.

[fpnc]

Bonjour is a little weak, but Graphulator is absolutely horrible (sounds like something an eight-year-old would think of). I can't see using a name like that except as some type of joke or perhaps as a playful name for a toy-like piece of software/hardware.

[grabberslasher]

FWIW all references to Rendezvous in Tiger have already been changed to "Bonjour" in the current seeds. Look like we're stuck with it :(

[ebally]

Is "Liaison" taken? That's be better than "Bonjour."

I actually like "Liaison" a lot... It's a lot better than Bonjour! Quick, patent it and sell it to Apple! :D

[LaMerVipere]

Bonjour?

Doesn't quote roll of the tongue does it? (at least not when said in an american accent) :rolleyes:

[takao]

while i have absolutly no feelings about "Bonjour" because it's simply to generic (and i think rendezvous is simply better)

"Graphulator" on the other side sounds like a transformer robot or something like that ... very cheesy ....

(anybody seen how Apple.de translated tigers Dashboard feature after the expo first ? "Schwebeplatte"..."hoovering plate" ...i nearly fell of the chair laughing... luckily the changed it to "Dashboard" on the german site as well)

ph34r teh gr4phoo|4tar ;)

[mainstreetmark]

Anybody read the story of Graphing Calculator? Presumably written by two Apple guys who didn't really even work at Apple. They sneaked in every day and wrote it on a PPC prototype.

Can't find the link.

[Brize]

Can't find the link.

Here you go:

http://www.pacifict.com/Story/

[Applespider]

I would much rather have a liaison or a rendez-vous with someone rather than a simple Bon Jour! Heck, I'll say 'hi' to anyone who nods and smiles at me - I'd much rather know a little more about who my computer is saying hi too

[roadapple]

Anybody read the story of Graphing Calculator? Presumably written by two Apple guys who didn't really even work at Apple. They sneaked in every day and wrote it on a PPC prototype.

Can't find the link.

yeah, I read that, we all like to think our work is important, but that was pretty sad. They should have found a new job, and finished this as a hobby, then sold it for some $$$, GBA

[gwangung]

Huh.

I don't find "Bonjour" to be that bad; not as descriptive as Rendevous, but not too bad.

Graphulator, though.....that sounds craptacular...... :eek:

[Doctor Q]

After hearing Steve Jobs' unusual way of saying "Jaguar", I wonder how he'll pronounce "Bonjour"?

"Bonj-wire"?

[dontmatter]

good lord, those are horrible. Bonjour sounds like a joke. Seriously. "introducing our latest technology, Bonjour!" Are you kidding me?

And, graphulator sounds like something from a cheap sci-fi movie. Merge two words togeather, making a horrible sound, that'll work great!

BOOO!!!!

[Yvan256]

Not only does Bonjour sounds silly (and yes, French is my first language), but Apple is now in the same stupid trademarking of common words, just like Microsoft (Pages, Bonjour, etc).

Real words shouldn't be allowed to be trademarked (Windows, Word, Access, Pages, Bonjour, etc).

[hayesk]

I was under the impression it was going to be renamed OpenTalk? :confused:

OpenTalk sounds too much like AppleTalk. There is a lot of unfounded anti-Mac sentiments in the IT world about AppleTalk - Apple's trying to move away from that sort of thing.

[gekko513]

Well, I think Bonjour is a great name, but I'm neither an English nor a French native speaker.

[relimw]

Why the hangup on French names? "Bonjour" sounds horrible.

Hmm, maybe they want to sue the French people? Now that's a new revenue stream ;)

Bonjour sounds like a crappy name, OpenTalk flows better.

[Boffo Dennis]

Apple has to be working on a spreadsheet, and they'll want to be many times better than Excel in the graphing area. I'm guessing that Curvus Pro X will be the graphing portion of er... Graphulator? They HAVE to do a better job naming it.

Back in the OpenDoc days, there was a package from Adreneline Software called Numbers and Charts or Numbers and Charts. Those were good Apple type names - I'm surprised that Steve didn't buy them.

[maveness]

I'm guessing they went with Bonjour out of nostalgia. All the ads for the first Macintoshes showed a screen with 'hello' written cursively on it (which, of course, at the time was a mind-blowing innovation).

And remember "Say hello to iMac?"

[iostream.h]

Why wouldn't Graphulator be the graphing calculator in 10.4?

[LimeiBook86]

'This Product is OpenTalk Compatible' sounds 100% better than 'Bonjour', I really liked the term 'rendezvous' much better but, that goes to show you, whatever I like dies horribly.

Anyone wanna go get a cup of juice? :D

In my opinion Graphulator sounds kinda cool, hehe :cool:

[Platform]

I think that the Gigawire will be some sort of a new connection that apple will come up with for extreme transferrates :D

[mcgarry]

I think "Graphulator" is so bad it makes even "Bonjour" sound good ... and thus its purpose is fulfilled. Graph you later, man.

[jadam]

lol, I can just imagine telling my professors I need to plug some equations into my graphulator!

The look on their eyes :eek:

[dicklacara]

Not only does Bonjour sounds silly (and yes, French is my first language), but Apple is now in the same stupid trademarking of common words, just like Microsoft (Pages, Bonjour, etc).

Real words shouldn't be allowed to be trademarked (Windows, Word, Access, Pages, Bonjour, etc).


I rather like:

sans souci

[mambodancer]

A visit to the website finds this message...

On July 22, 2004 Curvus Pro X was bought by an international company (whose name cannot be revealed) and its distribution has been discontinued. It is therefore not possible any longer to download nor to buy any kind of registration license for this program.

We would like at this point to thank all the users sincerely who registered and supported us during the development of this program.

[devman]

well I'll add my voice to the chorus here and say I think both names are horrible. Graphulator is cheesy and bonjour - oh wow, it's just awful.

[tersono]

Bonjour.... gonna be pretty confusing in France.... mebbe they'll rename it to 'Hello' over there?

:rolleyes:

[redeye be]

Bonjour? Good day? bah! :eek:

Is "Liaison" taken? That'd be better than "Bonjour."

much better.

we'll see :confused:

[Philsy]

Nothing against the Bonjour name, but I've never really seen why a separate name was needed for Rendevous. After all, it is simply part of iChat, and not really an app in its own right.

A menu item in iChat called, say, 'Log into iChat Local' is all that's needed.

Can't remember how Jobs pronounced 'Jaguar' but, let's face it, all Americans say it in a daft way - 'Jagwaa' ;) ;)

[devman]

Nothing against the Bonjour name, but I've never really seen why a separate name was needed for Rendevous. After all, it is simply part of iChat, and not really an app in its own right.


er, no. It's whole capability of its own with a published API. Many Apple apps other than iChat make use of it (such as iTunes, iPhoto, Safari, the Printing subsystem, etc.) as well as any third party apps (such as SubEthaEdit) or any app you write yourself. Even hardware manufacturers (e.g. printers) support it.

Go read about it. It's pretty impressive what it is and how broad its usage is.

[Philsy]

er, no. It's whole capability of its own with a published API. Many Apple apps other than iChat make use of it (such as iTunes, iPhoto, Safari, the Printing subsystem, etc.) as well as any third party apps (such as SubEthaEdit) or any app you write yourself. Even hardware manufacturers (e.g. printers) support it.

Go read about it. It's pretty impressive what it is and how broad its usage is.

OK, thanks. I stand corrected. :)

[dicklacara]

Nothing against the Bonjour name, but I've never really seen why a separate name was needed for Rendevous. After all, it is simply part of iChat, and not really an app in its own right.

A menu item in iChat called, say, 'Log into iChat Local' is all that's needed.

Can't remember how Jobs pronounced 'Jaguar' but, let's face it, all Americans say it in a daft way - 'Jagwaa' ;) ;)
Steve pronounced it Jag-you-are... the British way.

[paxtonandrew]

I rather like:

sans souci

So do I, thats why I lived without concern for 4 years.

http://pn1.whereis.com.au/gns/map0PCF0KWNTLAZIWANS.gif

I personally believe that Rendezvous is a very Apple thing, whereas Bonjour is some term that briefly comes to the level that Rendezvous is at. OpenTalk sounds okay, and AppleTalk (www.appletalk.com.au) is a very good Australian Apple forum.

[Poff]

No kidding, some time ago I wrote an inhouse program that is called graphulator. It's a user front-end to a drawing library.

sue them!! :D

[fps]

Well, I'm French (having said that I've been living the last 10 years either in Sydney or London) and I don't find using 'Bonjour' for a technology a great idea. 'Rendezvous' was better. 'Graphulator' is absolutely, Errm, crap :)
Bear in mind that sometimes foreign words don't look as cool when you translate them, for example 'OpenTalk' translates to 'Conversation Ouverte' in French which would sound particularly stupid for a technology name.

[pawnstar]

I would much rather have a liaison or a rendez-vous with someone rather than a simple Bon Jour! Heck, I'll say 'hi' to anyone who nods and smiles at me - I'd much rather know a little more about who my computer is saying hi too

liaison sounds good - I like Rendezvous, as someone noted earlier it sounds a bit risque :) - liaison still has an element of mystique about it. Bonjour sounds bland :(

[Jalexster]

How about EasyTalk? Easy for apps and computers to Talk to one-another.

[HiRez]

Why the hangup on French names? "Bonjour" sounds horrible.Rendezvous was an ok name, but you are correct, "Bonjour" really blows, I really hope that's not the name that will actually be used.

[HiRez]

Steve pronounced it Jag-you-are... the British way.Actually, he didn't (that might have justified a nonstandard American pronunciation). Everytime I saw him say it (lots), he pronounced it "Jagwire".

[autrefois]

liaison sounds good - I like Rendezvous, as someone noted earlier it sounds a bit risque :) - liaison still has an element of mystique about it. Bonjour sounds bland :(

Thank you! I'm glad (and surprised!) that a few people have said they like "liaison." :) Yeah I thought of "liaison" because I was trying to find something that had both the idea of connecting and a little bit of mystique, like Rendezvous.

"Liaison" is also a well-known word in French and English, which helps. That's why I figured it must already be taken by another company, because I'm sure someone at Apple must have thought of it, too.

If it's not taken and if Apple wants to use it, I hereby donate the idea for "liaison" to them free of charge. :) Tiger hasn't been officially released yet, so there's still time to change it to "liaison" or something else better than "bonjour."

Maybe they chose "bonjour" because in French I'm pretty sure there's an expression "C'est simple comme bonjour" ("It's as easy as bonjour")? But "bonjour" by itself doesn't sound right to me to replace Rendezvous.

[ASP272]

Uh, HELLO? What does that have to do with networking? Rendezvous at least made sense in it's use. But HELLO? Come on Apple, you're just getting goofy now. :rolleyes:

[Jalexster]

Every time I hear Bonjour, I remember that episode of the simpsons where they had Wille teaching french. The way he said "Bonjour" stuck in my head. It's how I hear it, everytime I see it written down.

[dongmin]

Or they can always go with 'Le Network'

[EssentialParado]

Yeah, I think Liason is good. Has anyone sent it via the Apple feedback site with a note damning the name Bonjour?

But to be honest, after reading the past 3 pages of people saying "Bonjour", I can totally see it as the new name for Rendevouz, in fact... maybe better :eek:

-Luke

[AmigoMac]

But to be honest, after reading the past 3 pages of people saying "Bonjour", I can totally see it as the new name for Rendevouz, in fact... maybe better :eek:

-Luke

Yeah, that's the way apple wants us to accept it, by rejecting it!! :)

You will hate it as much as you can but you will get used to it that in the end you won't care how the h*ll is called since it just works... Au revoir!

[pimentoLoaf]

Lovely program, Curvus Pro. Nice replacement for the aging Graphing Calculator under MacOS 9 / Classic.

[johnnyjibbs]

I also want to say that I think "Bonjour" is a terrible name for Rendezvous. If there are legal reasons for a name change, then there has to be a name change, but please something better than that!

No prizes for guessing that the Graphulator will be the new graphical calculator app seen in Tiger.

[Thataboy]

Bonjour is the WORST name for ANYTHING, EVER.

I don't even want to see that on my computer. I am going to have to turn it off, JUST so I don't have to see it :)

Maybe it's not too late... SOMEONE needs to tell Apple that this name sucks.

And Graphulator is not much better.

Wow. Just, wow.

[dicklacara]

Uh, HELLO? What does that have to do with networking? Rendezvous at least made sense in it's use. But HELLO? Come on Apple, you're just getting goofy now. :rolleyes:

That's why liaison seems so apropos!

liaison?l???zän; l???-noun

1 communication or cooperation that facilitates a close working relationship between people or organizations:the head porter works in close liaison with the reception office.
a person who acts as a link to assist communication or cooperation between groups of people:he's our liaison with a number of interested parties.
a sexual relationship, esp. one that is secret and involves unfaithfulness to a partner.

2 the binding or thickening agent of a sauce, often based on egg yolks.

3 Phonetics(in French and other languages) the sounding of a consonant that is normally silent at the end of a word because the next word begins with a vowel.mid 17th cent. (as a culinary term): from French, from lierto bind.

[pseudobrit]

Liaison is a registered trademark of Liaison Software.

[dicklacara]

Liaison is a registered trademark of Liaison Software.


Oh... pity!

Then, how about:

laissez-faire

No, it's not a carnival for collie dogs :), rather:

laissez-faire?les? ?fer; ?lez?
noun
a policy or attitude of leaving things to take their own course, without interfering.
Economics abstention by governments from interfering in the workings of the free market:as adj.laissez-faire capitalism.lais•sez-faire•ism?fer?iz?mnoun

French, literally allow to do.

Thesaurus
laissez-faire
noun
an agenda that embraces the concept of laissez-fairefree enterprise, free trade, nonintervention, free-market capitalism, market forces.
adjective
he has argued for a laissez-faire policy regarding the Internet
Elliott's laissez-faire approach to parenting
noninterventionist, noninterventional, noninterfering; uninvolved, indifferent; lax, loose, permissive, nonrestrictive, liberal, libertarian; informalhands-off.

[jbschusty]

That has to be the most god awful name for a program I have ever heard. It makes me want to kick a french h()m() in the nutts.

[weezer160]

That has to be the most god awful name for a program I have ever heard. It makes me want to kick a french h()m() in the nutts.

No Kidding. What's with Steve's obsession with the French? Always having french translations done during his Keynotes, and somebody is always in France for his iChat AV gigs. Rendevoooouuu was a mouthful and a lot to type, and Bonjour just sounds plain old dorky. What happened to honest talk, like "Open Talk"

[irobot2003]

liaison sounds good - I like Rendezvous, as someone noted earlier it sounds a bit risque :) - liaison still has an element of mystique about it. Bonjour sounds bland :(

Well, meaning 2b in Webster's for liaison is: "an illicit sexual relationship." I'd say that's more risque than rendezvous...no?

[blogo]

Graphulator wasn't so bad, it beats "iPod" which is a really bad name.

[Mechcozmo]

I hope that Bonjour isn't what it really ends up being. With Apple's history, it just... can't.... be...

It would be nice to just have "AppleTalk 2" or something. AppleTalk=good.
NetOpen might be another name... how about, "AnythingButBonjour"?

[autrefois]

Liaison is a registered trademark of Liaison Software.

Too bad! :( Thanks for letting us know though. Can't Apple just buy them out?? :) They appear to be very Micorsoft-oriented, so I doubt that would work...

Dicklacara: I like laissez-faire better than bonjour, because it expresses the idea that you don't need any set-up, the technology is so good you just turn it on and BOOM it works by itself without you having to mess with it. I wonder how people on the Left would react to the term laissez-faire, though. ;)

Weezer160: I think maybe one reason for the French terms is that Bertrand Serlet, who Steve has iChatted-with for a couple of keynotes, is in charge of Software Engineering. iSync was developed in France for example. I don't know if Rendezvous was or not, so this is just pure speculation about why French is being chosen for naming the Rendezvous technology. Maybe it's Bertrand and not Steve who is French-obsessed. :)

[swissmann]

I thought the calculator that is now in X has a graphing calculator that you can access by showing the package contents and moving a few files around. Is this one going to be a lot better?

When is OS X going to start using other terms from other languages besides french?

[Lacero]

Bonjour sounds friendly enough, and it does mean connecting with devices saying hello. Rendevous sounds awesome too, buts its a lot better than OpenTalk.

[hayesk]

Uh, HELLO? What does that have to do with networking? Rendezvous at least made sense in it's use. But HELLO? Come on Apple, you're just getting goofy now. :rolleyes:

Actually if you read about what Rendezvous actually does, Bonjour is a much more appropriate name. The protocol only sets up a meeting, it's not a meeting itself. It's more of a greeting, hence, Bonjour.

But I agree, it doesn't roll off the tongue very well. However, it is an appropriate name.

[fawlty]

Maybe it should be called "Boom!" ?

[SiliconAddict]

Rendezvous vs. Bonjour seems like a no brainer to me. Maybe my memory is failing but wasn't there some sort of copywrong thing going on over the TM Rendezvous??? This could be the fallout of that. Still gah! Anything is better then Bonjour. Couldn’t they have called it "super-mega-compatibility-tech" Sure would sound a lot better. :rolleyes: :p

[Mac-Xpert]

The name Bonjour really made me laugh.

If Apple is now in to foreign names they might like to consider some dutch names.

I would like: "Toedeloe" or "Toedeledokie" ;)

Or Italian: "Arrivederci"

Or German: "Auf Wiedersehen"

:D :D

[Plymouthbreezer]

Ah, the return of the Apple Graphing Calculator!! ;)