View Full Version : What tool do you use to make webpages?
Patmian212
Mar 11, 2005, 04:57 PM
I just started getting into web editing. I mostly use HTML, Netscape 7 composer and I like to dabble in dreamweaver.
Just wanted to know what most people are using to create their pages.
I just made my first webapage the other day www.aidsinfo.cjb.net it was for a school project. It is very simple and not very pleasent to the eye but I think its alright for a first atempt.
edesignuk
Mar 11, 2005, 05:15 PM
It's been a while since I did anything, but when I do, I like Dreamweaver.
Lacero
Mar 11, 2005, 05:22 PM
Photoshop and BBedit. I like to get my hands dirty and do manual coding. Muahahaha. :D
Mitthrawnuruodo
Mar 11, 2005, 05:25 PM
TextWrangler (http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/) and a printout of the XHTML 1.1 (http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/) (along with the two standards it's based on: XHTML 1.0 (http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/) and HTML 4.01 (http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/), of course) and CSS2 (http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/) standards... :cool:
cleo
Mar 11, 2005, 05:34 PM
One word: BBEdit (http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/index.shtml).
plinden
Mar 11, 2005, 05:50 PM
vi
(sorry for the one word response)
ChicoWeb
Mar 11, 2005, 06:10 PM
Dreamweaver for me.
jalagl
Mar 11, 2005, 07:18 PM
Dreamweaver here. I use the windows version at work, though - don't have it on my mac at home.
tech4all
Mar 11, 2005, 07:34 PM
Combination of Photoshop, ImageReady, Dreamweaver, and Flash.
.dan
Mar 11, 2005, 07:38 PM
Combination of Photoshop and Dreamweaver. I occasionally use Notepad (only have a Windows machine at the moment...) for minor edits.
panphage
Mar 11, 2005, 07:41 PM
fireworks, textmate, and just about every browser known to man. Sometimes I've got to ssh into a dev server and use vim.
2A Batterie
Mar 11, 2005, 07:42 PM
I use my checkbook to pay someone else to do it for me.
Phatpat
Mar 11, 2005, 07:42 PM
I generally use a basic text editor to create, and dreamweaver to maintain.
Textwrangler is great, btw.
Vader
Mar 11, 2005, 07:47 PM
I am using DreamWeaver.
jayeskreezy
Mar 11, 2005, 08:26 PM
dreamweaver
Knox
Mar 12, 2005, 06:28 AM
Primarily BBEdit, although some things about TextMate (http://macromates.com//) are making me look at switching, plus the UNIX level tools (vim, cvs)
tombo
Mar 12, 2005, 06:55 AM
I use XXE. It's an xml editor, and it's virtually impossible to make invalid pages by the xhtml (and html 4) standard. As a result, you don't have to go to a validator page.
I like the way that it won't let you put in illegal stuff by the standard.
It avoids tag-soup, and is semi-wysiwyg. I then use a text editor to make my css.
-needs a lot of previewing in browsers, but it makes the code easy to read and maintainable.
munkle
Mar 12, 2005, 07:21 AM
Dreamweaver and BBEdit (for PHP stuff mainly, I'm not full on hardcore!), along with Fireworks and the occasional dabble in Photoshop. TextWrangler (http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/index.shtml) is a good freeware alternative to BBEdit.
tersono
Mar 12, 2005, 07:51 AM
Personally, like many others here, I use a mixture of BBedit and Dreamweaver, but if you want something free and more powerful than the basic Mozilla Composer, then check out NUV:
http://www.nvu.com
It's not quite an open-source alternative to Dreamweaver, but it's a helluva good try =]
RacerX
Mar 12, 2005, 10:26 AM
Well, in order of what I use most to least:GoLive
Create
ImageReady
Curator
PhotoToWeb
Photoshop
LiveMotion
And then clean up or quick changes in OmniWeb.
mduser63
Mar 12, 2005, 11:25 AM
I use a combination of TextWrangler, Dreamweaver and Fireworks. I used to use Editpad (before I switched to Mac) exclusively, but as the sites I was designing got more complicated, it became easier to use a tool like Dreamweaver. A big part of the advantage to me is the integrated site management stuff present in Dreamweaver, although the WYSIWG editing is also nice in a lot of cases.
mainstreetmark
Mar 12, 2005, 10:00 PM
I use Dreamweaver, but it's crappy FTP ticks me off almost daily.
gamestriker
Mar 12, 2005, 10:11 PM
If you need a simple, free HTML editor, use Taco HTML Edit. Thats what I use. I don't like DW and some of those other pro ones because they seem overpriced and can become complicated to use them. I can do everything on my websites (stuff like XHTML, XML, PHP, CSS, ASP) purely by code on Taco.
munkle
Mar 13, 2005, 03:22 AM
I use Dreamweaver, but it's crappy FTP ticks me off almost daily.
Check out Transmit (http://www.panic.com/transmit/), it's superb.
Benjamin
Mar 13, 2005, 04:40 PM
my site was created with bbedit and help from php.net, w3school, and webmonkey. Graphics were created entirely from photoshop and uploading was done via transmit which has a nice sync feature with editors such as bbedit.
Elkef
Mar 13, 2005, 06:47 PM
Sorry to say, but if you really want to do "Nice" things, and want to be compatible with all Browsers, don't use Dreamweaver.
Do you prefer instant soup to the one your grandma makes?
P.S. When I was still enduring a pc I used Homesite (Allaire) Unfortunately there is no equivalent for that on Mac. BBedit comes close, but will not auto complete taggs for you.
Knox
Mar 14, 2005, 03:44 AM
P.S. When I was still enduring a pc I used Homesite (Allaire) Unfortunately there is no equivalent for that on Mac. BBedit comes close, but will not auto complete taggs for you.
TextMate half does this - it won't autocomplete everything automatically, but you can program in the ones you want in addition to the default ones.
http://macromates.com/images/inline/snippets.gif
Also, I haven't tried it yet, but http://ian.ardes.com/phpcc/ looks like a handy addition to TextMate for PHP programming.
deputy_doofy
Mar 15, 2005, 12:11 PM
One word: BBEdit (http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/index.shtml).
Yup. And... if I'm at work on WinXP, I use WordPad. :D
whocares
Mar 15, 2005, 12:23 PM
* Photoshop
* Smultron (http://sourceforge.net/projects/smultron/)
* SubEthaEdit sometimes
* Transmit
+
* http://www.w3c.org
* http://www.php.net
* a G3 iBook
* my brain :p
Cooknn
Mar 15, 2005, 12:29 PM
I use Adobe GoLive. Coming from PC land where I got spoiled by Frontpage it was a bit of a transition at first but now I love it :p Works well with my other Creative Suite programs too. TextEdit is always an option as well.
iJoe
Mar 15, 2005, 12:32 PM
I use Taco HTML edit (Free! Yay!), Photoshop and Illustrator. And for FTP, RBrowserLite.
I'm just about to take a look at XXE... Might replace Taco with it. Even just because it has a better name. And probably a better icon.
Dane D.
Mar 18, 2005, 07:23 PM
GoLive, since my background is in the print media (product packaging, brochures, direct mail, etc) this was easier than learning html. My programs are Photoshop, Illustrator, QuarkXpress for print. When we decided to get into web design we all agreed there was no way a text editor would do. As artist we see things different than coders do.
pianodude123
Mar 19, 2005, 07:25 AM
dreamweaver
DREAMWEAVER no Exceptions!
but the FTP has lots of bugs in it. the CSS compatibility is great
***
IF you are a student, notice you can get educational discounts
mikey.c
Mar 20, 2005, 05:23 PM
I was using Dreamweaver on my PC but now I have an imac,
I don't have anything. :(
tech4all
Mar 20, 2005, 05:33 PM
Anywho I use Dreamweaver, Photoshop, ImageReady, Flash combination. Hope to learn other methods as well such as CSS. (And I could have sworn my reply said something like that to)
But despite criticisms of Dreamweaver's FTP app, I works great for me.
Sorry to say, but if you really want to do "Nice" things, and want to be compatible with all Browsers, don't use Dreamweaver.
Do you prefer instant soup to the one your grandma makes?
I don't think businesses in a fast-paced world have time to wait for grandma's soup ;)
Could you give some examples what "Nice" things? :)
Espnetboy3
Mar 20, 2005, 05:35 PM
BBEDIT thats it. Learn the coding and style sheets and you will have total control over your site. I know to many people that develop sites and then when something goes wrong or they want to change something they dont know how because they cant change the source code.
Forced Perfect
Mar 20, 2005, 05:38 PM
BBEdit. Only BBEdit. hehe
Relitively cheap and it does a really good job. Real-time display of code is for sissies! I do all my PHP/HTML in it without problems.
Plus it makes a good general text eidting app for config files, etc.
Mike Teezie
Mar 20, 2005, 07:41 PM
Dreamweaver (only in code view!)
Photoshop
Illustrator
Flash
DavidLeblond
Mar 20, 2005, 08:48 PM
TextWrangler occasionally, but mostly I use pico since my website is run off of Geeklog and I usually only have to go in and make minor fixes in the code.
feyd_ehway
Mar 21, 2005, 11:32 PM
ha ha! just kidding. i hate the thing...
im of the dreamweaver school.
after reading the post dealing with ps slicing versus css i must rethink my steps though...
when all else fails: basic text edit.
-feyd
deputy_doofy
Apr 1, 2005, 12:23 PM
BBEDIT thats it. Learn the coding and style sheets and you will have total control over your site. I know to many people that develop sites and then when something goes wrong or they want to change something they dont know how because they cant change the source code.
I tend to agree with this. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with using programs like Dreamweaver, but you should know and understand HTML/CSS on some level. I'm the opposite of most people. I've NEVER used Dreamweaver or other web building programs. I should probably learn, but it's much easier (to me) to be able to drum up a page at a moment's notice, using the default text editor of the whatever computer I'm using.
I don't claim to be close to perfect with HTML/CSS and 100% adherence to standards, but I strive to be close.
External CSS files are great. Like any type of OOP, you can make an external CSS file and use it to control the styles of all your pages. One change on the CSS file and all pages that use it change. It's a beautiful thing.
whawho
Apr 4, 2005, 11:35 AM
Design: Photoshop
Coding & Scripting: BBEdit
Flash: Motion (when necessary)
Patmian212
Apr 4, 2005, 02:38 PM
Whow nice veriaty hear, very interesting to see what tools you guys use!
diddy
Apr 4, 2005, 11:32 PM
I've been playing with Freeway Pro lately. Seems pretty solid. But maybe I dont know what Im talking about.
allisonv7
Apr 5, 2005, 03:38 AM
Photoshop & ImageReady
TextWrangler or Notepad
Illustrator
Dreamweaver, had to learn this one in college but rarely use it now
I'd much rather write the HTML/CSS myself, it's how I learned and by the time I started learned Dreamweaver I'd been making pages for about 7 years. I was way to stuck in my ways to switch. For my occasional pages for family/friends and the occassional quick buck this seems to work best for me :)
allison.
Cali_Man
Apr 5, 2005, 10:20 AM
WebObjects and XCode gets the job done for me (can't wait for xcode 2.0 and maybe a WO upgrade in Tiger....).
Platform
Apr 8, 2005, 07:37 AM
Macromedia Dreamweaver MX 2004
Smart FTP
My Brain
devman
Apr 8, 2005, 10:28 AM
GoLive CS. used to use dreamweaver. before that hotmetal, homesite, netobjects, probably a few others I've missed. And of course, a healthy dose of straight html editing.
joecool85
Apr 8, 2005, 01:49 PM
imaging - PS 7.0
coding - HTML Face X (much better than taco)
with taco when you load the code onto a PC you get all this other scrambled code...at least I did. HTML Face X you don't, and it works great.
Pismo
Apr 8, 2005, 02:34 PM
Macromedia DreamweaverMX 2004
BBEdit
Macromedia Contribute
dvdh
Apr 8, 2005, 02:52 PM
Just the standard Photoshop/Imageready, Dreamweaver, and touch of Flash.
decksnap
Apr 8, 2005, 03:39 PM
Sorry to say, but if you really want to do "Nice" things, and want to be compatible with all Browsers, don't use Dreamweaver.
Do you prefer instant soup to the one your grandma makes?
P.S. When I was still enduring a pc I used Homesite (Allaire) Unfortunately there is no equivalent for that on Mac. BBedit comes close, but will not auto complete taggs for you.
That's not true at all. Dreamweaver can do any 'nice thing' I think up to do... and besides checking browser compatibility as a built in feature, there's nothing limiting you from running browser checks elsewhere. Dreamweaver gives you a variety a tools- you can use it to make 'instant soup' or you can use it to make 'grandma's recipe'.
network23
Apr 8, 2005, 04:38 PM
I find that nothing beats hand-coding for compactness and legibility. That said, I've been developing with Pagespinner for almost seven years now and love it. It's got some great utilities built-in to help generate CSS, forms, and objects. About the only thing its missing for me is line numbers, which are of great help when debugging PHP.
That said, I just became aware of a new editor called Smultron, which does have line numbers and a good number of other features which I hope to test out over the next few weeks.
clayj
Apr 8, 2005, 06:47 PM
Notepad. I code all of my own HTML, by hand. That way, there's no chance of something getting added by some overzealous program.
A fine artisan doesn't need help from some program that thinks it knows how to do things better than he (or she) does.
decksnap
Apr 8, 2005, 09:48 PM
A fine artisan doesn't need help from some program that thinks it knows how to do things better than he (or she) does.
Apparently your time isn't valuable. Why use a calculator when you've mastered long division? :rolleyes:
A lot of fluent code writers use Dreamweaver too.
clayj
Apr 8, 2005, 09:54 PM
Apparently your time isn't valuable. Why use a calculator when you've mastered long division? :rolleyes:
A lot of fluent code writers use Dreamweaver too.Sure, my time is valuable. I've gotten very good at creating templates, where I just fill in the blanks for each new page. Add to that that I am a VERY fast typist, and I'm just as quick as anyone using Frontpage or Dreamweaver, and I don't have to worry about what the program is doing to my HTML code.
VAmin
Apr 9, 2005, 12:29 AM
TextEdit!
Boo extraneous code!
840quadra
Apr 9, 2005, 12:37 AM
Vi or Notepad (depanding on what OS)
dav
Apr 24, 2005, 04:00 PM
Anybody here use Vim as their primary html editor? I know I see a few of you.
mms
Apr 25, 2005, 09:22 PM
I usually use Vim for writing Python and Java but for web design, I find that the preview feature in SubEthaEdit is indispensable.
eva01
Apr 25, 2005, 09:33 PM
Taco HTML Edit for me, along with photoshop/imageready for images
fox2005
Apr 25, 2005, 10:47 PM
photoshop, a little imageready, illustrator, swish, dreamweaver, flash, etc...
on PC, hopefully i'll migrate web design to Macs (all graphic design are done on Macs although ;) )...
samples at http://www.mantra.com.pe/mantra_ingles/galeriaweb.htm (english version done on an automatic translator as a first step. Now I have to rewrite it all, so don't freak out :eek: ...)
Amani
May 4, 2005, 02:42 PM
I was thinking about using Freeway Express because of the price. Does anyone make successful use of it?
obelix
May 4, 2005, 10:40 PM
Well I use a great little editor called skEdit (mostly because it's got html auto-completion and IMO it's better than BBEDIT and the price is a lot nicer too.
Photoshop, Illustrator, and Transmit are the other programs I regularly use.
mnstr_trd_sd
May 6, 2005, 03:53 AM
Depending on what the client is looking for I use a combination of:
•BBEdit (HTML, CSS, JAVA)
•Dreamweaver(Stressing the importance of knowing the basic of HTML)
•Flash
Content Development:
•Illustrator
•Photoshop
•Imageready
•Painter
•Final Cut
•After Effects
•Maya
Its great to be well rounded but as far as web design goes, I believe that a solid knowledge of HTML used in an application as powerful as Dreamweaver can work wonders. ;)
cube
May 6, 2005, 04:43 AM
XEmacs
[People, don't use Notepad when you can also download a Windows version of XEmacs!]
jeffgtr
May 10, 2005, 03:09 PM
Primarily Dreamweaver MX 2004, Photoshop, FlashMX2004 Pro, Illustrator, and of course a text editor. As far as those that only hand code, glad you have the time, I don't. Be able to code by hand is important though, sometimes it's just you and vi, notepad ____name your preinstalled text editor and you have changes that must be made fast. Dreamweaver won't do everything thats for sure but there are times I have to whip something up quick and DW fits the bill. Oh and eclipse, thats a new one in my tool box. Now that Macromedia has been bought out by Adobe I'm hoping someone comes in to fill the void if Adobe GoLives Dreamweaver.
MontyZ
May 11, 2005, 12:19 PM
I, personally, start in Dreamweaver to do the visual layout of the page, then take that into BBEdit for cleanup and tweaking of the code itself. I find that Dreamweaver does a pretty good job of setting up the code, so, why do everything manually?
For pure coding, I use BBEdit, it's Da Bomb!
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