Toast 5.2 Coming

[MacRumors]

Update: Toast 5.2 pulled!

[Pepzhez]

Will be nice to be able to use disc images with Toast again ...

[aslater18]

FYI: Toast 5.2 is out **NOW** via VersionTracker... looks like it was early!:D :D

[bellboy]

It's been available for about 20 min or so...

Get Me! (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/11427)

[aslater18]

damn... 19 minutes behind... what ever shall I do? :p

[scem0]

So basically it is just CD text stuff.... Oh well, might as well get it, even though I use iTunes for CDs, and I never make data-CDs.

[MacHog]

As I have posted elsewhere on Macrumors, the new 5.2 version of Toast quits unexpectedly on all four of my machines (G4 Dual/two ibooks/G4 iMac) running OSX 10.2.1.

The VersionTracker Ratings area is filling up fast with the same results from other users. Something is terribly wrong! :(

[aslater18]

Tried it on my iBook 600 Combo Drive (640 RAM / 20 GB HD / OS X 10.2.1) and it's running just fine. Strange. Just burned one audio and one data CD without a problem. :confused:

[bellboy]

hmmm.... it installed fine for me.

[kenkooler]

this version was supposed to be the golden master, not the final version...
however someone got the link and posted it
that should explain the crashes

[aslater18]

Of note: there's claims on VersionTracker that this is GM and not final (although there typically is no difference between the two) It's still not listed on Roxio's Website, however Roxio has a history of releasing/announcing software then waiting a few days to update their website.

[mac15]

quits at startup for me :(

[bidge]

I have the same problem, and I deleted my old version. Lucky I have my original install CD close by.

[jelloshotsrule]

quits at startup for me too...

hmm

[Choppaface]

52x burners??? O_O_O_O
how fast are they going to get??

[zephc]

I have been having some big problems with firewire drives since installing Jaguar.

I have a Que!Fire 8x4x32x CDRW that 10.2 refuses to see (hence I can't burn anything), but worked fine in 10.1.x.

I also have an ADS Firewire drive kit with a 60 GB ATA drive installed in it, and almost every time i reboot, 10.2 sees that there is supposed to be a drive, but says it cannot mount it or recognize the file system. (I have to reboot to 9.2.1 which sees it, then reboot again)

Help!! Please??

[Pepzhez]

I downloaded a couple hours ago and have burned 5 discs since. Works beautifully! There's nothing wrong with this update. However ...

Trash your Toast preferences (both OS X and 9.x) BEFORE installing the update. The problems people are having and reporting at Version Tracker have got to be Preference related.

[Pepzhez]

zephc,

I think we both own the same model Que Firewire burner. I initially had problems with it in Jaguar also (never in 10.1). Jaguar does indeed seem to be much flakier with firewire support than 10.1 was. (Don't get me started on the firewire nightmares I'm having with 10.2 and Final Cut Pro!)

Anyway, when are you plugging in and powering up your burner? I've found that I can only get 10.2 to recognize my burner when I am already booted up, then plug in the burner to the mac, then turn the burner power on, THEN start Toast. Have you tried this? This is the only method that works for me with this burner. Try it and let me know if Toast recognizes it.

As for firewire HDs (I have 4 - all different brands and all the same problem in 10.2), I can only get Jaguar to recognize them if they are plugged in and turned on BEFORE booting. Go figure. Why in the world was 10.1's firewire support flawless and Jaguar's is worse than Os 9.0????

[Pepzhez]

One more thing. Did you verify and repair Disk Privileges (using the Disk Utility on the Jaguar disc one CD - choose the First Aid tab)? This helps, actually.

Also - did you have a clean install of Jaguar or did you upgrade from 10.1?

[zephc]

It was a 10.1.5 -> 10.2 upgrade, and yeah, I checked the disk and it reported 0 errors

going to try your reboot trick with the cd burner now...

[zephc]

I tried your trick, and it didn't seem to work =[ Apple better get this patched fast! *grrr*

[evildead]

Mine quits too...

The installer left the old version of it in my Roxio folder... and that one still works.

maybe I need a reboot.

[irmongoose]

Ughh one thing.. those of you who are having problems.. didya get the um.. you know... (clears throat) serial number? Maybe Roxio copied Microsoft :eek: :eek:




irmongoose

[748s]

mine is the real thing. toast 5.1.4 running well in os x.2.0 after installing x.2.1 it quits when the big red button is clicked. seems like the version tracker model is not an official roxio update. i'm waiting for the roxio release.

[MacHog]

Originally posted by irmongoose
Ughh one thing.. those of you who are having problems.. didya get the um.. you know... (clears throat) serial number? Maybe Roxio copied Microsoft :eek: :eek:
Heh heh - No! :rolleyes:

Anyway, I can verify the fix. You must delete all vestiges of Toast from your computer; reinstall Toast 5.0 (booting into OS9) and immediately booting back into OSX and running the new 5.2 updater. THEN you can enter the registration info and it works beautifully now.

This should NOT be necessary, of course. Either this is a bogus final release or Roxio has screwed up with the updater.

Cheers! :cool:

[P-Worm]

About those 52x burn speeds. I sit actually possible to do that? I mean it would have to be a really fast cable for starts and I'm not sure if FireWire would cut it. Anyway, I don't know what I'm talking about, acn anyone tell me how fast they have burned cds and not had misburns?

P-Worm

[irmongoose]

Originally posted by MacHog

Heh heh - No! :rolleyes:

Anyway, I can verify the fix. You must delete all vestiges of Toast from your computer; reinstall Toast 5.0 (booting into OS9) and immediately booting back into OSX and running the new 5.2 updater. THEN you can enter the registration info and it works beautifully now.

This should NOT be necessary, of course. Either this is a bogus final release or Roxio has screwed up with the updater.

Cheers! :cool:

That's good to hear. I'll be waiting for a better updater then. Thanks.



irmongoose

[evildead]

I just went to versiontracker and found that Toast 5.2 has been pulled from the site... check it out



http://www.versiontracker.com/mp/new_search.m?productDB=mac&mode=Quick&OS_Filter=MacOSX&search=toast


Edit:

another intersting fact is that http://www.macintouch.com/ still links to the update from Roxio. and the URL for that is
http://softwareupdates.roxio.com/gm/Products/en/Toast/Titanium/v5/Toast_52_Ti_Updater.hqx


maybe it is just a GM after all.... its in the URL path. Roxio still has not placed the update on their website yet


-evildead

[big]

>52x recorders

AGGGGGGGG I need one !!! (how do I convince the wife?)

anyways, how fast could you burn a full cd with that?

[evildead]

Originally posted by big
>52x recorders

AGGGGGGGG I need one !!! (how do I convince the wife?)

anyways, how fast could you burn a full cd with that?


you could burn a 74min (650MB) CD-R in 1.4 min

a 80min (700MB) CD-R i 1.53 min.

but you need a nother 30sec to 1 min for it to write the index... thats dam fast!

[jelloshotsrule]

i really don't think that even with firewire speed one could burn at 52x.... not sure about scsi, don't know much about hardware really...

but it just doesn't seem like there's fast enough data access for that.... hmm

anyone know otherwise?

[big]

>but you need a nother 30sec to 1 min for it to write the index... thats dam fast!

over my 4x, I think I could live with that......

[GetSome681]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
i really don't think that even with firewire speed one could burn at 52x.... not sure about scsi, don't know much about hardware really...

but it just doesn't seem like there's fast enough data access for that.... hmm

anyone know otherwise?

Let's say you don't know much about firewire speeds...take a simple approach. Someone said you could burn an 80min CD in 1.53 minutes. Multiply by 60, and you get 91.8 seconds. Now, let's just assume some things as an upper bound, but let's say that this is the time it burns the entire CD (700 MB). So, the transfer rate to the CD is the 700 MB/91.8sec = 7.6 MB/sec.

This falls easily within Firewire's capabilities. Check out any firewire hard drive, and see what they advertise as the read/write speeds achievable. EZzzz:D :p

[evildead]

Originally posted by big
>but you need a nother 30sec to 1 min for it to write the index... thats dam fast!

over my 4x, I think I could live with that......


Tell your wife that I said it was ok for you get get an upgrade :)... you need one. I hade a USB 4x CD-R... that only really burned at 2x with out errors. I now have a 12x that came with my Quicksilver... much better but... 52x very fast. I have seen 42x (internal) for as low as $150... an upgrade may be cheeper than you think.

-evildead

[GetSome681]

Originally posted by evildead



Tell your wife that I said it was ok for you get get an upgrade :)... you need one. I hade a USB 4x CD-R... that only really burned at 2x with out errors. I now have a 12x that came with my Quicksilver... much better but... 52x very fast. I have seen 42x (internal) for as low as $150... an upgrade may be cheeper than you think.

-evildead

Hey y'all. I don't know where you look...but I just got my 40x Lite-On (upgrgadeable to 48x via firmware patch) for $40!! PM me if ur in the market, and I'll point ya in the right direction.

[Multimedia]

I guess Roxio will have to use a different installer technology. Most of the early adopters last night got bad installs. I was one of the lucky ones with no problems. But most got unexpected quits or outright crashes. Bummer.

I thought I was installing the update on other drives and partitions. It looked like it was. But afterwards all those places had no sign of 5.2 anywhere.

Roxio has obviously hit a brick wall with their obsolete and antiquated installer.

[aslater18]

Originally posted by MacHog

...or Roxio has screwed up with the updater.



I give odds on this, since their Windows 2000 scandal over EZCD 5 Platinum. For those who don't know, if you installed it, (It said it was 100% compatiable with Windows 2000 on the Box) it would render your PC useless, as it would crash at startup.

[evildead]

Check out this link.. its a commic about us "early adopters"

http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/388.html

[MacHog]

Originally posted by aslater18
I give odds on this, since their Windows 2000 scandal over EZCD 5 Platinum. For those who don't know, if you installed it, (It said it was 100% compatiable with Windows 2000 on the Box) it would render your PC useless, as it would crash at startup.
Heh! The odds seem to be in our favor, aslater18, considering the Roxio/Adaptec track record. Anyone want to pony up? :p

[MacHog]

Originally posted by evildead
Check out this link.. its a commic about us "early adopters"
http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/388.html
LOL - do we get one o' dem medals, evildead? Thanks for the link.

[Beej]

So can anyone tell me if the DVD burner in my quicksilver is MMC-3 compatible? It's the Pioneer 104 drive.

I've had a stereo for years now that can do CT-TEXT, but I've never seen it work becuase I've never had a CD with CD-TEXT...

[bidge]

It is defintely not the final version. I tried exporting a file to MPEG-1 with the new 'fast' encoder that does not work as it has expired. This has to be proof that we are definitely not using the final version.

Oh well, I can wait for two days.............



for my file to export to MPEG.

[dawhol9]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
i really don't think that even with firewire speed one could burn at 52x.... not sure about scsi, don't know much about hardware really...

but it just doesn't seem like there's fast enough data access for that.... hmm

anyone know otherwise?


Well I use a 40x and it works fine. No problems at all. In fact, I paid $49 for the drive. Yup, $49. I gout it at Staples. They are clearing out old CDR's and got a 40x24x40 IDE drive. I went to the Roxio site and it said Toast was compatible with ALL IDE drives. So I put it in a QueFire! case that had a 12x10x32 drive in it. Plugged it in and Toast recognized it. So....keep those external firewire burners, they are upgradeable! I am glad because I spent a ton on the 12x QueFire when it first came out. Now I got a 40x in the same cool case.

[Multimedia]

Based on Roxio's denial they ever put the real release on VersionTracker, was that some rogue employee's idea of a hoax Thursday night? How can ANYBODY put up a download at VersionTracker without the publisher's approval? This hurts the credibility of the VersionTracker administration. I rely on VersionTracker to be giving me the real deal and only the real deal. How could and did that happen?

[yankeedoodle]

Originally posted by Beej
So can anyone tell me if the DVD burner in my quicksilver is MMC-3 compatible? It's the Pioneer 104 drive.

I've had a stereo for years now that can do CT-TEXT, but I've never seen it work becuase I've never had a CD with CD-TEXT...

Yes, the Pioneer A-104 DVD-RW is MMC-3 compatible. (Toast displays this information in its footline!)

[MacHog]

Originally posted by Multimedia
...How can ANYBODY put up a download at VersionTracker without the publisher's approval? This hurts the credibility of the VersionTracker administration. I rely on VersionTracker to be giving me the real deal and only the real deal. How could and did that happen?
I made a very similar comment on the VersionTracker rating feedback area during the time the 5.2 updater was up. I totally agree with your opinions here.

However, I do have Toast 5.2 running on all four of my Macs, and it is GREAT! Had to do some deleting of the old software and re-installing of the OS9 5.o version, but it is working fine now. ;)