Apple to release iPod Dock

[medea]

According to Spymac (which we all know is sooo trustworthy): According to a source close to the iPod development team, Apple is preparing to release a new iPod Docking station in Quarter One of 2003. www.spymac.com

In the article they also mention that "Apple's hoping that two upcoming announcements will further secure the iPod as the leading portable MP3 player" although the only announcement that are rumouring upon is the dock, what is the other supposed to be eh?



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[gaomay]

What a great idea - I know another company makes them but I don't think they work with the new IPOds which have a FW port cover. It'd be especially good now that iSync is coming out in the next few days.
I "switched" recently to a TiBook and the Mac experience just keeps getting better and better!

[peterjhill]

So will I have to dock my ipod upside down? Has spymac ever seen an ipod? Are they trying to say that apple will redesign the ipod with a firewire port on the bottom?

Very unlikely, someone was smoking too much ganga when they made that one up.

[coolkamio]

Wow! I want a donking station for the ipod with 802.11g and rendevouz for streaming to itunes and others ipods....

[Sun Baked]

It's really sad when you find people that make Homer Simpson seem like a Nobel Laureate.

[jelloshotsrule]

ahhh. i'm curious about the 2 other announcements, that's for sure.....

hopefully it's not just new pods or hardware cause that wouldn't help me with my existing 5 gigger.... i'm hoping for aac support (in itunes as well of course)

but that's not THAT big an announcement.... we'll see i guess

[Ervino]

Yawwwn! I can't belive that somebody is *still* wasting money & time with that lame iPod.
Please, get a look on a *real* little wonder:

Archos MULTIMEDIA JukeBox

http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500281.html

And, please, not again the boring reply "but the iPod have FireWire by default"... ;-)))

Cheers
Ervino

[a_kim]

Pure speculation follows...

What about a bluetooth-enabled ipod which allowed you to sync wirelessly to the mac and possibly fileshare with macs and other ipods (not the music though... unless you hacked it!). Also, then you could have bluetooth headphones (already available for cell phones). I think it'd be pretty amazing to have wireless headphones on while the ipod sits in my bookbag or pocket. Less wires would be a good thing.

As for the dock, I don't think I'd use it.

-Alex

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by Ervino
Yawwwn! I can't belive that somebody is *still* wasting money & time with that lame iPod.
Please, get a look on a *real* little wonder:

Archos MULTIMEDIA JukeBox

http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500281.html

And, please, not again the boring reply "but the iPod have FireWire by default"... ;-)))

Cheers
Ervino

Hey, you try sending 20GB of data over USB 1.1 and see how you feel about that being the default. In the best case, assuming nothing else on your USB, it'll take you almost four hours to sync. Firewire, seven minutes. So as not to bore you, the other reasons I wouldn't have an Archos JukeBox are:


The controls suck. No effort was put into them. I can operate the iPod without looking at it. And it's not like Apple is the only company to make a player with decent controls. Archos just didn't bother.
That Archos JukeBox is HUGE. It won't fit comfortably in a coat pocket, much less a pants pocket. With the exception of my PowerBook, I don't carry things that don't fit in a pocket.
From an industrial design perspective, the iPod is gorgeous, while the Archos JukeBox looks like ass. Granted functionality is more important to me than appearance, but all else being equal, I'd rather have a non-assy-looking player.
The tiny movie screen function is a neat-o gadget, but it doesn't really address any need I have. I can see owning one just so I could say I had a player that did video, but I couldn't see actually watching video on the thing. Likewise, it's clear Archos just added the feature so they could say their product has something the iPod doesn't. It's a novelty.


I see your yawn and raise you a sigh and a grumble.

[BongHits]

Originally posted by Gelfin


Hey, you try sending 20GB of data over USB 1.1 and see how you feel about that being the default. In the best case, assuming nothing else on your USB, it'll take you almost four hours to sync. Firewire, seven minutes. So as not to bore you, the other reasons I wouldn't have an Archos JukeBox are:


The controls suck. No effort was put into them. I can operate the iPod without looking at it. And it's not like Apple is the only company to make a player with decent controls. Archos just didn't bother.
That Archos JukeBox is HUGE. It won't fit comfortably in a coat pocket, much less a pants pocket. With the exception of my PowerBook, I don't carry things that don't fit in a pocket.
From an industrial design perspective, the iPod is gorgeous, while the Archos JukeBox looks like ass. Granted functionality is more important to me than appearance, but all else being equal, I'd rather have a non-assy-looking player.
The tiny movie screen function is a neat-o gadget, but it doesn't really address any need I have. I can see owning one just so I could say I had a player that did video, but I couldn't see actually watching video on the thing. Likewise, it's clear Archos just added the feature so they could say their product has something the iPod doesn't. It's a novelty.

doesnt i have any connection u want? Usb 1, 2, and firewire? at least archos got something right...this is the beginnning of portAble porn

I see your yawn and raise you a sigh and a grumble.

[dongmin]

Originally posted by Ervino
Yawwwn! I can't belive that somebody is *still* wasting money & time with that lame iPod.
Please, get a look on a *real* little wonder:

Archos MULTIMEDIA JukeBox

http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500281.html

And, please, not again the boring reply "but the iPod have FireWire by default"... ;-)))

Cheers
Ervino

Hey does this multimedia jukebox thing even exist? They've yet to see any real product shots on their page. All you see are the same renderings they've had up for over 6 months now. Are there any reviews of this thing? I'm thinking vaporware...

[Chisholm]

Originally posted by Ervino
Yawwwn! I can't belive that somebody is *still* wasting money & time with that lame iPod.
Please, get a look on a *real* little wonder:

Archos MULTIMEDIA JukeBox

http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500281.html

And, please, not again the boring reply "but the iPod have FireWire by default"... ;-)))

Cheers
Ervino

that ugly thing looks like it would take a backpack to make it portable...:p

[Ervino]

Hi!
Thanks for your kind reply! :-)
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Hey, you try sending 20GB of data over USB 1.1 and see how you feel about that being the default. In the best case, assuming nothing else on your USB, it'll take you almost four hours to sync. Firewire, seven minutes.
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USB 2.0 *AND* FireWire connection kits are optional and out soon.
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So as not to bore you, the other reasons I wouldn't have an Archos JukeBox are:
The controls suck. No effort was put into them. I can operate the iPod without looking at it. And it's not like Apple is the only company to make a player with decent controls. Archos just didn't bother.
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Hmm, have you really used the Archos Multimedia Jukebox? It took to me about 5 minutes to learn the controls. And I'm a computer journalist , so hardly a rocket scientist... ;-)
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That Archos JukeBox is HUGE. It won't fit comfortably in a coat pocket, much less a pants pocket. With the exception of my PowerBook, I don't carry things that don't fit in a pocket.
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4.5x3x1 inches is HUGE for you? I pity your girlfriend! (Ooops, sorry, but I can't resist! ;-)
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From an industrial design perspective, the iPod is gorgeous, while the Archos JukeBox looks like ass. Granted functionality is more important to me than appearance, but all else being equal, I'd rather have a non-assy-looking player.
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Well, on this point I haven't anything to object: design tastes are subjective.
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The tiny movie screen function is a neat-o gadget, but it doesn't really address any need I have. I can see owning one just so I could say I had a player that did video, but I couldn't see actually watching video on the thing. Likewise, it's clear Archos just added the feature so they could say their product has something the iPod doesn't. It's a novelty.
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Hem, have you read attently the specifications? The Archos Multimedia Jukebox include the output and cable to see the Mpeg4 *on a TV* with vhs resolution. And it work as a charm, I can assure you!

Beside all this, the Archos Multimedia Jukebox have an integrated microphone, and, being modular, it can be integrated with a camera module that shot photo and REAL TIME ENCODED ***MOVIE***!
And it is both Mac AND Pc conpatible at the same time, and it cost THE SAME as the equivalent size HD iPod, and it has a *REPLACABLE* battery (so you haven't to throw it away when the battery die, or pay Apple $$$ to replace it...), and no, I'm not paid by Archos... ;-)

I see your yawn and raise you a sigh and a grumble.
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Seen your sigh & grumble, I rise a sarcartic sneer...

Cheers
Ervino

[Ervino]

Originally posted by dongmin


Hey does this multimedia jukebox thing even exist? They've yet to see any real product shots on their page. All you see are the same renderings they've had up for over 6 months now. Are there any reviews of this thing? I'm thinking vaporware...


Hmm, do you want a photo of me using mine? Beware that I'm not exactly a beauty...:D

Cheers
Ervino

[technocoy]

I have two friends that have archos jukeboxes, and all they do is say they should have gotten an i-pod. (these are the non-video versions) the things freeze up constantly, and take forever to access the drive. Of course, thats just my experience. Plus if you want a video jukebox with a tiny pointless screen get the damn thing, but if you want simple, easy, quick, reliable music....... c'mon, get real have you even used the iPOD?? nothing comes close.

Later:) :D :o

[BongHits]

Originally posted by technocoy
I have two friends that have archos jukeboxes, and all they do is say they should have gotten an i-pod. (these are the non-video versions) the things freeze up constantly, and take forever to access the drive. Of course, thats just my experience. Plus if you want a video jukebox with a tiny pointless screen get the damn thing, but if you want simple, easy, quick, reliable music....... c'mon, get real have you even used the iPOD?? nothing comes close.

Later:) :D :o

yes i have an ipod...y is everyone so drop dead in love with its design? its a freakin deck of cards shaped player. Granted the spinwheel nav is cool..its not the GREATEST design in history. I would rather have a tiny little ball that fits inside my ear...when i think next song, it does it, when i feel like blasting the music, it's done...it reads my every thought. all via a bluetooth wireless chip inserted in your brain.

[Chisholm]

Bonghits, your request has been submitted.

Reminds me of Farenheit 451's "shell." Can't wait to see the tv walls that were the counterpart...

-cheers!

(Alabama game start in 2 hours and 24, rather 23 minutes...)

[Future Man]

Originally posted by Ervino

"I'm a computer journalist"

"And it work as a charm, I can assure you!"
Journalist eh? Your Editor must love you Strunk.

Do you really think some backwoods nowhere company called Archos is going to put out a superior product to Apple's? Their website doesn't even work properly in IE on my mac. And where are the pictures of this thing, they can't even afford proper coverage of it on their site! But I guess if you use a PC you don't really care about quality in design and workmanship anyway.

Why do trolls insist on buggering the good people of this website?
Go back to your cave and your windblows box.

[Ervino]

quote:
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Originally posted by Ervino

"I'm a computer journalist"

"And it work as a charm, I can assure you!"
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Originally posted by Future Man

Journalist eh? Your Editor must love you Strunk.

Do you really think some backwoods nowhere company called Archos is going to put out a superior product to Apple's? Their website doesn't even work properly in IE on my mac. And where are the pictures of this thing, they can't even afford proper coverage of it on their site! But I guess if you use a PC you don't really care about quality in design and workmanship anyway.

Why do trolls insist on buggering the good people of this website?
Go back to your cave and your windblows box.

Wonderful! You quoted my words totally out of contest! You work for PR, right? :p

BTW: FYI, I'm Italian and work in Italian, so I can miss some third person "s" when I post in a forum... ;)

What's your problem with Archos? Hmm, OK, now I understand, they are: 1) European, and 2) with way less money than Apple to spend in pumping they products, so they are, by definition, inferior, right? Why give their stuff a real look, when you can much more easily go with bias... :rolleyes:

Beside all this, I use a Mac from 1990 and I started my career in 1993 writing about Apple Newton (*THE* Pda still now!), so I can hardly be defined a "PC Troll"... :)

Cheers
Ervino

[beatle888]

Originally posted by peterjhill
So will I have to dock my ipod upside down? Has spymac ever seen an ipod? Are they trying to say that apple will redesign the ipod with a firewire port on the bottom?

Very unlikely, someone was smoking too much ganga when they made that one up.

well, i've already thought of a couple ways to make this possible. and
im not even working at apple. so i believe if they wanted to they would
be able to THINK of something.

[Future Man]

Originally posted by Ervino
quote:
"Beside all this, I use a Mac from 1990 and I started my career in 1993 writing about Apple Newton"

"Wonderful! You quoted my words totally out of contest!"

ROFLMFAO

I really hope you don't write in english.

[Skandranon]

Originally posted by Ervino

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USB 2.0 *AND* FireWire connection kits are optional and out soon.
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Keywords here: "optional" and "out soon" ... the iPod boasts Firewire as a standard and since its very inception. You don't have to dish out more $$$ for reasonable transfer speeds.


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Hmm, have you really used the Archos Multimedia Jukebox? It took to me about 5 minutes to learn the controls. And I'm a computer journalist , so hardly a rocket scientist... ;-)
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Doesn't take rocket science to realize that you've obviously taken sides with a vastly inferior product. The Archos Pukebox has NEVER been touted for its interface design whereas its among the very first praises sung for the iPod. Most people understand the iPod interface within seconds of first seeing it.


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4.5x3x1 inches is HUGE for you? I pity your girlfriend! (Ooops, sorry, but I can't resist! ;-)
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This has nothing to do with dick size. We're talking about portable music players. Putting the Puxebox's dimensions into the context of male endowment only proves two things: you're an idiot and are prone to thinking regularly about cock.


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Well, on this point I haven't anything to object: design tastes are subjective.
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On the contrary: established design principles are often referred to when weighing the design value of a product and the Pukebox pales in comparison to the usability and aesthetic of the iPod. Calling all things relative is a textbook example of side-stepping a valid rebuttal.

Cheers
Ervino

Piss off.
Skandranon

[Rags]

Originally posted by medea
In the article they also mention that "Apple's hoping that two upcoming announcements will further secure the iPod as the leading portable MP3 player" although the only announcement that are rumouring upon is the dock, what is the other supposed to be eh?

I sure hope the other is better prices. $300 to $500 is alot of money to spend on a music player. It's by far the best on the market but come on? I can't see that many people spending that kind of money for such a thing. And this is coming from a guy that's planning on happily shelling over a little more than $4K for the new PowerBook :)

Where's that credit card... :rolleyes:

[beez7777]

Originally posted by coolkamio
Wow! I want a donking station for the ipod

Yeah I always wanted one of those. Maybe it can hold an iPod AND a donkey.

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by Ervino
USB 2.0 *AND* FireWire connection kits are optional and out soon.


So I have to pay extra to compensate for Archos' design mistake? USB 1.1 is not sufficient for this application by any stretch of the imagination.

Hmm, have you really used the Archos Multimedia Jukebox? It took to me about 5 minutes to learn the controls. And I'm a computer journalist , so hardly a rocket scientist... ;-)

Obviously, else you might have noticed I didn't say it was hard to learn how to use the controls. What I said was that Archos adopted a fairly arbitrary and uninspired set of buttons for their jukebox with no particular attention to usability. There's a difference between the difficulty of learning an interface and the convenience of using it under real-world circumstances.

I tried out a lot of MP3 players before the iPod arrived, including offerings from Archos. I chose not to get any of them because I didn't like the compromises I had to make in quality, capacity, size, battery life and so forth. The iPod was the first player I found that didn't make me compromise.

4.5x3x1 inches is HUGE for you? I pity your girlfriend! (Ooops, sorry, but I can't resist! ;-)

For something I expect to be able to carry around in my pants pocket, yes that is huge. Perhaps you just have more free space in your pants pocket area than I do.

Well, on this point I haven't anything to object: design tastes are subjective.

That's an easy cop-out, isn't it? You could make a shallow appeal to the subjectivity of taste to argue that there's no substantive difference between a Picasso and a three-year-old child's crayon drawing. But it's the iPod that wins the design awards.

Hem, have you read attently the specifications? The Archos Multimedia Jukebox include the output and cable to see the Mpeg4 *on a TV* with vhs resolution. And it work as a charm, I can assure you!

I read the specs. I already have plenty of ways to show video on my TV.

Beside all this, the Archos Multimedia Jukebox have an integrated microphone, and, being modular, it can be integrated with a camera module that shot photo and REAL TIME ENCODED ***MOVIE***!

And is this ***MOVIE*** you speak of going to compare in any way to the video I can shoot on my existing DV camcorder? Or the pictures I can take with my existing digital still camera? Is there any reason I should believe that this camera is anything but a toy?

And it is both Mac AND Pc conpatible at the same time, and it cost THE SAME as the equivalent size HD iPod, and it has a *REPLACABLE* battery (so you haven't to throw it away when the battery die, or pay Apple $$$ to replace it...), and no, I'm not paid by Archos... ;-)

Really? Because Archos' site doesn't list a replacement battery in their accessories and spare parts section. And in fact, the FAQ says:

19. Can I replace the JBMM batteries?
No, we hardly recommend you not to replace the batteries.

Now, I admit their English is about as clear as yours, but that "No" seems pretty clear to me. And for that matter, if my iPod's battery were to expire, the first thing I'd do is go to the Apple Store and try to get them to sell me a replacement battery, which I could, in fact, replace quite easily myself. Opening the case would violate the iPod's warranty, but if the iPod were still in warranty, they'd have to replace the battery for free anyway.

What's your problem with Archos? Hmm, OK, now I understand, they are: 1) European, and 2) with way less money than Apple to spend in pumping they products, so they are, by definition, inferior, right? Why give their stuff a real look, when you can much more easily go with bias...

First, I didn't even realize Archos was a European company until you mentioned it today. Second... do you have some delusion that Americans have a problem with people from Europe? Where would you get that idea? I've never heard such a thing. Since you're the one who seems to be operating under this assumption of cultural bias, could it be that you're pushing Archos products because they're European?

[DeadlyBreakfast]

Originally posted by Ervino
quote:
Beside all this, I use a Mac from 1990 and I started my career in 1993 writing about Apple Newton (*THE* Pda still now!), so I can hardly be defined a "PC Troll"... :)

Cheers
Ervino

A PC troll? Maybe not. But a troll none the less. This was a thread about the iPod and you just *had* to throw in a post that is totally off subject . On top of that you had to know that it would start some bad feelings. That is why you are considered a troll. Go away.

[Ofir]

I am too a computer journalist. I was also fooled by the Archos spec and bought one of their jukeboxes about 18 months ago. My brother and a friend also bought one at roughly the same time. We have between us 3 different models, 6GB, 20GB and 6GB with recording. We also use different computers, a desktop G4, a Powerbook and a Compaq PC.

Here's our collective conclusion:

First and most important! The sound quality is poor when compared to a Sony MiniDisc and an iPod. The bass end is soft and blurry, the top end is lacking. Don't tell me about EQ - I used to be a sound engineer, I know how to use an EQ. It doesn't help! The Archos boxes sound cloudy and muffled.

They are all unreliable, they switch off for no reason while playing. The longest I had mine running without stopping was less than 2 hours. Most times it would switch off within 20 minutes.

They are very slow, the interface is terrible and finding a song you want to listen to is tedious.

The batteries are terrible lasting less than an hour after a few months of use.

The build quality is poor. The shiny controls start peeling off within a few weeks of use, revealing a cheap grey plastic.

They are simply too big for their purpose. Using a larger 2.5" drive is also the reason they are cheaper.

USB 1.1 is not a practical solution for 20GB in my opinion. I know they say that Firewire and USB2 option will be available, but my Archos experience with drivers has been poor too.

Their support in my experience was useless.

They took ages to support OS X and the drivers for 9 were unreliable, disconnecting from my Mac when copying many files.

There's a happy end to this story - we all own iPods now. :)

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by Chisholm
Bonghits, your request has been submitted.

Reminds me of Farenheit 451's "shell." Can't wait to see the tv walls that were the counterpart...

-cheers!

(Alabama game start in 2 hours and 24, rather 23 minutes...)

Was it "shell" or "bullet"? (I'm too lazy to find my copy and look it up...)


Lethal

[redAPPLE]

Originally posted by Gelfin


Hey, you try sending 20GB of data over USB 1.1 and see how you feel about that being the default. In the best case, assuming nothing else on your USB, it'll take you almost four hours to sync. Firewire, seven minutes. So as not to bore you, the other reasons I wouldn't have an Archos JukeBox are:




attention! i might be hijacking this thread. look away now.

question: i will honestly say, i do not have an ipod. which is really sad. i would love one, but i got to save some cash first :-)

so back to my question. "syncing" music between ipod and mac is basically the same as "copying" files right?

good. a 20 gb ipod can sync within 7-8 minutes? is that a fact?

i got a firewire harddrive and i was copying a 12 gb video and it took me 40 minutes.

what gives? is there a way, a software/firmware upgrade, which needs to be done?

comments please. and sorry for the hijacking. and now back to your regularly scheduled program.

[redAPPLE]

Originally posted by a_kim
Pure speculation follows...

What about a bluetooth-enabled ipod which allowed you to sync wirelessly to the mac and possibly fileshare with macs and other ipods (not the music though... unless you hacked it!). Also, then you could have bluetooth headphones (already available for cell phones). I think it'd be pretty amazing to have wireless headphones on while the ipod sits in my bookbag or pocket. Less wires would be a good thing.

As for the dock, I don't think I'd use it.

-Alex

for a fact, i know that syncing with bluetooth would be really slow.

[peterjhill]

Originally posted by Ervino
quote:
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Originally posted by Ervino

"I'm a computer journalist"

"And it work as a charm, I can assure you!"
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Wonderful! You quoted my words totally out of contest! You work for PR, right? :p

BTW: FYI, I'm Italian and work in Italian, so I can miss some third person "s"

Just so you know, it is "context" not "contest" stick with writing in italian magazines

[peterjhill]

Originally posted by beatle888


well, i've already thought of a couple ways to make this possible. and
im not even working at apple. so i believe if they wanted to they would
be able to THINK of something.

I have also thought of ways to do it, and they all involve connecting something to the top of the iPod. With the new firewire port protectors, you will have to hold it out of the way when inserting the iPod into the dock. The entire thing is not very ergonomic, and thus I doubt that apple will make a dock for the existing iPod. Apple can think of hundreds of ways to do it, but Mr. Ives will most likely have input into what is chosen, as he created the original design. If the dock compromises the simplicity of the design, I doubt that he will accept it.

[Tiauguinho]

Originally posted by Skandranon
Originally posted by Ervino



[B]Cheers
Ervino

Piss off.
Skandranon

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by redAPPLE

good. a 20 gb ipod can sync within 7-8 minutes? is that a fact?

Not likely, but neither is the Jukebox likely to achieve four hours. I should have been more clear that this is the theoretical maximum based on the maximum throughput of the respective port hardware:

USB: 12mbit/sec is 1.5MB/sec. 20,000MB at 1.5MB/sec is about 3.7 hours.

Firewire: 400mbit/sec is 50MB/sec. 20,000MB at 50MB/sec is about 6.7 minutes.

You won't get the maximum throughput with either technology, but the example illustrates the difference between the two. Your results with either will vary.

[redAPPLE]

does anyone know, how to achieve the best throughput?

[gopher]

Originally posted by redAPPLE
does anyone know, how to achieve the best throughput?

Replace the hard drive with Smartcard or similar media of the same size. Hard disk spinning is the slowest part of the iPod and similar MP3 players. Of course that would make it prohibitively expensive if it had the same storage capacity.

128 MB Smartmedia down to $40
by that logic, it would cost $7000 to make an iPod based on solid state memory and has 20 GB capacity!

[jettredmont]

Originally posted by redAPPLE


for a fact, i know that syncing with bluetooth would be really slow.

I don't have an iPod, but I would suspect that, aside from music additions on your Mac, "synching" would entail a few fairly low-bandwidth activities:

1) Update play info (ratings, how many times a track has been played, etc)

2) Copy new songs from Mac to iPod (yes, high-bandwidth)/ delete removed songs.

3) Update non-music information (address book, etc)

Other than the times when you are actually adding music, and assuming a reasonably smart iPod regarding updating play info (is this info encoded in MP3-Info tags in the MP3 itself, or in a database alongside the music files? If it is in the MP3 tags format, is the iPod smart enough to do this itself, or would it need to send the whole files across?) I think that this is completely in the realm of Bluetooth's bandwidth.

Also, if Apple were to allow single songs to be "zapped" across BlueTooth between players I don't think the RIAA would complain any more than usual (hardly a good way to mass-distribute music given 1 Mbps bandwidth theoretical), but would give fellow iPodders an easy way to "share" their favorite tune(s) with their friends.

[Chisholm]

Originally posted by LethalWolfe


Was it "shell" or "bullet"? (I'm too lazy to find my copy and look it up...)


Lethal

Well I read the book as a highschool freshman back in 1984 so I can't be sure...but it seems it was described as a shell. If I had the book I'd look it up.:(

cheers!

[theranch]

Originally posted by Ervino
Yawwwn! I can't belive that somebody is *still* wasting money & time with that lame iPod.
Please, get a look on a *real* little wonder:

Archos MULTIMEDIA JukeBox

http://www.archos.com/lang=en//products/prw_500281.html

And, please, not again the boring reply "but the iPod have FireWire by default"... ;-)))

Cheers
Ervino
Please....that's not even close to being portable like the iPod. <sarcasm>I'm sure those corners won't get caught up in your shorts or whatever pocket you try to put it in.</sarcasm> To each their own.

[zimv20]

Originally posted by Ervino
quote: with way less money than Apple to spend in pumping they products, so they are, by definition, inferior, right? Why give their stuff a real look, when you can much more easily go with bias... :rolleyes:

Beside all this, I use a Mac from 1990 and I started my career in 1993 writing about Apple Newton (*THE* Pda still now!), so I can hardly be defined a "PC Troll"... :)


wow, you backpedal faster than i ride my bike.

a REAL journalist wouldn't have climbed so far out onto a limb.

yes, we're a little biased here. it's a friggin' APPLE rumor website.

should we assume apple refused your request to be paid off?

[mario]

Va fan culo, stronzo! :)

Cheers!:) :)

[Ervino]

Originally posted by mario
Va fan culo, stronzo! :)

Cheers!:) :)

Hi!

Almost right! The correct versions are "Vai a fare in culo" or "Vaffanculo"...:D

The same to all of you, buch of biased morons... :p

Cheers
Ervino;)

[DeadlyBreakfast]

Originally posted by Ervino



The same to all of you, buch of biased morons... :p

Cheers
Ervino;)


Its an Apple site you big dumb boob!! Go to a Ford website and try posting about Chevy and see what happens. Odds are , the same thing. You're a journalist? You should hope your boss doesn't cruise this thread. Your lack of common sense would get you fired.

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by Ervino

The same to all of you, buch of biased morons... :p


I reiterate, I looked at Archos products before there was an iPod to which I could be biased. In fact, now that I think about it, I looked at Archos products before I ever owned a Mac. Based on what I found at that time, I opted not to buy an MP3 player at all because none of the options available to me at the time (including those from Archos) were satisfactory to me.

Besides this, I have stated precisely why I prefer the iPod.

On the other hand, Erv, so far you have:

pointed at the website, assuming we'd all agree with you,
argued that somehow the correctness of your argument is related to the size of one's private parts,
alluded to product features that even Archos own web site contradicts,
accused everyone who disagrees with you of hating Archos because they're a European company,
called people who disagree with you biased morons


In short, you have ignored any relevant argument placed before you and presented little or no relevant argument of your own. Are you sure you're a computer journalist? By that do perhaps mean you put up your own website to host your opinions? I don't know what journalistic standards are like in Italy, but I can't imagine they would be so low that a professional journalist could think the case you presented here to support your position was in any way valid.

[a_kim]

Originally posted by redAPPLE


for a fact, i know that syncing with bluetooth would be really slow.

Sorry. I should have specified syncing the calendars and contacts. I agree... bluetooth is not for large file transfers.

-Alex