Misc Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger Tidbits... [Archive]

MacRumors

Apr 13, 2005, 04:13 PM

Apple has started a Tiger-related developer mailing list (http://lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/quartzcomposer-dev) for Quartz Composer which is a "new application/technology in Tiger that allows non-programers to develop graphics processing modules without writing a single line of code, and explore the visual technologies available in Mac OS X without needing to learn the application programming interface (API) for that technology."

A graphing calculator has been included in Mac OS X 10.4 and is called "Grapher". Only a small reference is made on this page (http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/aquauserinterface.html) describing it: "Create 2D and 3D graphs with this lovely full-featured equation grapher." After the trademark of Graphulator (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/02/20050218165637.shtml) there was speculation that Apple would introduce an application under that name.

Meanwhile, the transition from "Rendezvous" to "Bonjour" appears to have been completed in Tiger. Apple's new Bonjour webpage (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bonjour/) describing the technology. Apple had to change the name for the zero-configuration technology due to a legal dispute.

j_appel

Apr 13, 2005, 04:17 PM

Grapher sounds pretty cool, and will come in handy I'm sure in some of my math classes.

sinisterdesign

Apr 13, 2005, 04:22 PM

"bonjour"??!? 'sup w/ the french naming convention?

they could have called it "connectulator"... :p

EDIT: i just checked out the Bonjour page. i'm excited about the update, i liked the concept of Rendevous, but it always SOUNDED simpler than it was. i thought that this was one piece that could stand some polish.

from Apple's Bonjour page, "Also, innovative cameras may include wireless networking to download pictures, perfect for spycams." :confused:
that's really a publicized benefit?? "and for all the pervs thinking about switching, here's yet another reason to come to OSX!"

Rocketman

Apr 13, 2005, 04:22 PM

I would be interested in this technology (and XGrid) to calculate and graph rocket performance charts. The 3D feature is strong because with that, color coding and graphics techniques, 7 or 8 D charts can be developed.

Rocketman

patseguin

Apr 13, 2005, 04:23 PM

The Quartz thingie sounds intriguing...

EDIT: Sorry if the initial post was inappropriate. :o

Analog Kid

Apr 13, 2005, 04:27 PM

Figured it was a legal issue with Bonjour... I kept looking and looking for what was new and special about it and came up with nothing.

I don't like the Bonjour name as much (kinda silly, really) but I never could spell that R word.

GilGrissom

Apr 13, 2005, 04:30 PM

Guess the "Grapher" solves queries about the graphing calculator anyway!...that one all done with then!! Better than "Graphulator" and "iCalc" definately!!..what was that about?!!

Doctor Q

Apr 13, 2005, 04:35 PM

GilGrissom

Apr 13, 2005, 04:37 PM

It seems like the mention of Grapher on the Aqua User Interface page was a slip-up, but perhaps it's not a secret, just a utility held in such little regard that they didn't publicize it as a new feature.

Hmm yes...Apples new selling point. "Tiger Unleased. The world's most advanced operating system has just got better. Over 200 new features...but you don't want to know about them!...look at our kewl new calculator!! Isn't it sweet!!"

I think not!!...I agree with you there. But its still a nice feature. A slip up?, interesting! But its good to know its in there!! A lot of people wanted it! Saves on the "Where is Graphulator??" posts!!

azdude

Apr 13, 2005, 04:54 PM

Just yesterday the same page called it "Apple Graphing Calculator."

Oh well... who cares, anyway. :)

asif786

Apr 13, 2005, 05:02 PM

I wish Apple would have settled the legal dispute and kept the name 'rendezvous'. I always thought it sounded cool.

I guess its not sound business sense to pay a few million dollars just for a name of a technology :/

Doctor Q

Apr 13, 2005, 05:45 PM

Has Apple claimed that Tiger has 129 new features for $129? If so, I'd like to review the list.

nsjoker

Apr 13, 2005, 05:45 PM

pinstripes gone @ the top?

http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/aquauserinterface.html

Sharewaredemon

Apr 13, 2005, 06:00 PM

pinstripes gone @ the top?

http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/aquauserinterface.html

Could be, not sure what os you're using, but there is a noticeable difference between Jaguar and Panther in terms of how defined the pinstripes are, so, I think they are fazing them out.

ClimbingTheLog

Apr 13, 2005, 06:09 PM

I wish Apple would have settled the legal dispute and kept the name 'rendezvous'. I always thought it sounded cool.

I kinda like the new name. The heart of the protocol is broadcast DNS, which is a way of saying "hello" and introducing yourself, ergo Bonjour.

Rendezvous was OK, a ad-hoc meeting of two computing devices, but any technology achieves that, so it's less descriptive.

Of course, if they just went with ZeroConf I'd be even happier.

azdude

Apr 13, 2005, 06:10 PM

Has Apple claimed that Tiger has 129 new features for $129? If so, I'd like to review the list.

"Over 200" is their claim this time. And the comprehensive list you ask of is indeed quite impressive. I'm not counting them, but I have noticed a bunch of items I didn't know existed before:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/newfeatures.html

petej

Apr 13, 2005, 06:34 PM

and iChat adds Jabber capabilities.

Having looked at the detail of the new features on the Apple website there are a lot of good things in there which for my money are a lot better than the headlines about spotlight and dashboard.

hrashid

Apr 13, 2005, 06:41 PM

Chip NoVaMac

Apr 13, 2005, 06:43 PM

I just hope that now that we have specs on the video cards required for Core Images that we will see updates to the eMac, iBook, and Mac mini lineup with the release of Tiger. Otherwise there might be disappointed consumers.

VanNess

Apr 13, 2005, 07:14 PM

Has Apple claimed that Tiger has 129 new features for $129? If so, I'd like to review the list.

Actually, they claim 200+ Even more bang for your buck

Up from the 150 claimed for Panther, and gee, remember OS 9? It had "50" new features...

Anyway, you asked for it. Here's the Tiger new feature list. I didn't count them all to verify...

http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/newfeatures.html

oops..azdude beat me to it

mkrishnan

Apr 13, 2005, 07:31 PM

What does the following quote refer to?

"Soon, anyone using a PC can take advantage of the effortlessness of Bonjour for free, too, as Apple will release a Windows version in the first half of 2005."

What is Apple creating for Windows?

Interestingness...I missed that part! Thanks! :)

EDIT: There are some interesting things on the 200 items list... Preview, of all apps, seems substantially upgraded. It has a lot of Adobe Acrobat full version type of features. Yay! :) And supposedly can open RAWs. :rolleyes:

I don't see NTFS write support or multisession CD burns on the list though....

But a lot of other little interesting things, like mainstreaming GIMP printers (useless to me). 'Twill be fun...*hand moves toward wallet*

timster

Apr 13, 2005, 07:39 PM

Legal dispute my hat... Many people simply couldn't pronounce it!

njmac

Apr 13, 2005, 08:36 PM

Bonjour is a ridiculous sounding, unprofessional term. I just feel downright silly saying it.

Chip NoVaMac

Apr 13, 2005, 08:42 PM

I may be jaded, but I need a new desktop offering from Apple on desktops to make the leap. Please don;t flame me on this...

mkrishnan

Apr 13, 2005, 08:49 PM

I may be jaded, but I need a new desktop offering from Apple on desktops to make the leap. Please don;t flame me on this...

I can't flame you, Chip, cuz ya lost me completely. :o Are you saying that yoou want to see new hardware to go along with Tiger? Or are you saying Tiger isn't new enough in comparison to Panther?

Punani

Apr 13, 2005, 08:51 PM

This might be better placed somewhere else and if so, please move it. :)

On the newly updated Mac OS X Java page (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/java/). The Java version with the release copy is stated to be 1.4.2.

Didn't Apple promise Java 1.5 with Tiger? :confused:

Chip NoVaMac

Apr 13, 2005, 08:57 PM

I can't flame you, Chip, cuz ya lost me completely. :o Are you saying that yoou want to see new hardware to go along with Tiger? Or are you saying Tiger isn't new enough in comparison to Panther?

This goes to the heart of a thread that I posted long ago about waiting for a Mac mini to use as an upgrade for the rest of my systems.

mkrishnan

Apr 13, 2005, 09:05 PM

This goes to the heart of a thread that I posted long ago about waiting for a Mac mini to use as an upgrade for the rest of my systems.

Ahhh, gotcha. I'm torn about whether I should sell my iBook and get new hardware to anchor down Tiger too.... :(

Punani -- hmm....yeah, that is too bad. Maybe soon?

feeze

Apr 13, 2005, 10:57 PM

What does the following quote refer to?

"Soon, anyone using a PC can take advantage of the effortlessness of Bonjour for free, too, as Apple will release a Windows version in the first half of 2005."

What is Apple creating for Windows?

Apple already have Rendezvous for Windows (http://developer.apple.com/macosx/rendezvous/). All it does is allow Windows users to use Rendezvous services such as, printing, ftp, web servers etc.

aethier

Apr 13, 2005, 11:22 PM

I don't see NTFS write support

that is comming with 10.3.9

fox2005

Apr 13, 2005, 11:43 PM

I don't know how can you call a mayor advance in software somo of the features listed, some of them I would be personaly ashamed of showing, eg:

System

About This Mac
View the name of the startup disk in the enhanced About This Mac menu — great if you have multi-drive setups.

mkrishnan

Apr 13, 2005, 11:51 PM

that is comming with 10.3.9

Oh, yeah, forgot about that. I can use that feature! :)

Palad1

Apr 14, 2005, 04:14 AM

Bonjour is a ridiculous sounding, unprofessional term. I just feel downright silly saying it.
Not for me, that's usually how I greet my customers.

:D

Platform

Apr 14, 2005, 05:50 AM

Sound good...would be nice to be able to create 2D and 3D apps like you make a web page in dreamweaver :rolleyes: ;)

Demon

Apr 14, 2005, 10:13 AM

as mentioned in another post under software, TIGER is out and has been sited in "pirate" stores in hong kong. details: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=120183

dmarkman

Apr 14, 2005, 11:02 AM

Hey, but windows's sage :)
Paul Thurrott thinks that Tiger is just a minor OS upgrade
http://www.internet-nexus.com/2005_04_10_archive.htm#111348246262169560

enjoy

swissmann

Apr 14, 2005, 11:12 AM

Has Apple claimed that Tiger has 129 new features for $129? If so, I'd like to review the list.

I too would like to see a list. I wonder where grapher has been for so long. In OS 9 they had a graphing calculator, in OS 10 the calculator also had it hidden - if you showed the package contents and moved the location of the graphing calculator from Resources to Plugins it would be an option under view - learned that from MacWorld. (I got it to work a few minor OS revisions ago but can't get it to work now). Anyway I hope this is an improved version.

SiliconAddict

Apr 14, 2005, 03:31 PM

Bonjour is quite possibly the world's worst name. It doesn't sound nearly as suave as Rendezvous. Dang legal crap. :(

MarkCollette

Apr 14, 2005, 09:52 PM

Could be, not sure what os you're using, but there is a noticeable difference between Jaguar and Panther in terms of how defined the pinstripes are, so, I think they are fazing them out.

Sorry, I'm not trying to be a dork, but: fazing => phasing

MarkCollette

Apr 14, 2005, 09:53 PM

mtscott

Apr 15, 2005, 02:05 AM

Paul Thurrott thinks that Tiger is just a minor OS upgrade

Paul "poche molle" Thurrott can kiss my a$$.

"Ah hahaha. That is funny ... because Tiger is a minor software release, and it's late"

Minor? Yeah, like going from Windows 95 to 98. Not to mention 98 to 98SE. Oh yeah, let's not forget the massive piece of cr@p that was ME.

"Originally expected in late 2004, Apple last year explained that it was slowing the development time of its operating systems. Never let humility get in the way of a good quip, Steve-o."

Oh, well if Paul Thurrott says so, it must be true.

"The basic gist of it, however, is that Tiger is a good upgrade that should be free, because it doesn't offer a lot of major new functionality but rather does include a lot of minor upgrades and fit and finish-type improvements. Like XP Service Pack 2 (SP2), actually."

Oh ok Paul, whatever you say. Did 98 to 98SE offer a lot of major new functionality? Hell, from 98 to ME? System Restore wasn't functionality, it was Microsoft's way of saying "Hey, WindowsME is REALLY BAD. You might want to make sure you leave system restore on because something is bound to happen with this OS. When booting a computer running WindowsME, you might want to pray to any god/gods you believe in."

Rower_CPU

Apr 15, 2005, 02:21 AM

Hey, but windows's sage :)
Paul Thurrott thinks that Tiger is just a minor OS upgrade
http://www.internet-nexus.com/2005_04_10_archive.htm#111348246262169560

enjoy

He's followed it up with his "review":
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/macosx_tiger.asp

I'm not commenting on the article other than to point out his glaring error with regards to the iChat AV minimum specs for hosting a multi-party video chat - he says G5, Apple says dual 1GHz G4 or better (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/ichat/).

nuckinfutz

Apr 15, 2005, 10:15 AM

I too would like to see a list. I wonder where grapher has been for so long. In OS 9 they had a graphing calculator, in OS 10 the calculator also had it hidden

http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/newfeatures.html

Some hidden gems in there as well.

Nickygoat

Apr 15, 2005, 10:33 AM

He's followed it up with his "review":
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/macosx_tiger.asp

I'm not commenting on the article other than to point out his glaring error with regards to the iChat AV minimum specs for hosting a multi-party video chat - he says G5, Apple says dual 1GHz G4 or better (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/ichat/).
How is he testing Tiger? He, of all people, can't be a developer, so he must be using a copy of somebody who is. Naughty. He's right about XPSP2 being bigger than Tiger - simply because it fixed so many things that shouldn't have been broken in the first place :p

mac512pbg4

Apr 15, 2005, 10:55 AM

Paul "poche molle" Thurrott can kiss my a$$.

"Ah hahaha. That is funny ... because Tiger is a minor software release, and it's late"

Minor? Yeah, like going from Windows

Actually, going from Windows 95 to 98 was a true Microsoft upgrade :rolleyes: .

The INSTRUCTIONS said the system might crash during installation :eek: , but "keep trying"!!!

It did at least twice when I did it. Imagine getting blue screens of death even before the system is running. :D

Makes the glitches of the Panther updates look like smooth sailing.

Thurriot doesn't think Spotlight is an major upgrade? That is my main reason for buying Tiger. For those of us with large numbers of files, it will be a really big deal.

pubwvj

Apr 15, 2005, 08:41 PM

"bonjour"??!? 'sup w/ the french naming convention?
they could have called it "connectulator"... :p

Yeah, well, you know, the French are so gauche...

from Apple's Bonjour page, "Also, innovative cameras may include wireless networking to download pictures, perfect for spycams." :confused: that's really a publicized benefit?? "and for all the pervs thinking about switching, here's yet another reason to come to OSX!"

Oh, come on. You exaggerate. There are all sorts of legitiment uses for spy cams like keeping track of those black helicopters and government troops trying to sneak up close outside my house.

newton213

Apr 18, 2005, 07:51 AM

Making Rendezvous/Bonjour open to other platforms is Apple's way of getting more third-party devices (namely printers, but others too) to jump on the band-wagon and support this new technology. That way, the makers of these things aren't going, "Why should we invest in supporting this new standard that only 3% of our potential customers use?" This way, with it working across platform, instant, real plug and play, it's worth it for these guys, cause they get to advertise how easy it is to use their stuff now, too. Same argument kinda goes for Quicktime, iTunes, the iPod... Like how Apple helped develop FireWire, but the only way to get all the DV camera makers, hard drive makers, etc to use it with their products was to make it so cool and great, that they get it out there. Supposedly, somebody could check cause I'm not totally certain, Apple holds the copyright for the actual name "FireWire" and that lil logo, which is why some companies don't call it that, they go by the technical spec. name, IEEE 1394. They don't want to pay Apple to use the name. I might be wrong, I'm up late and rambling, so go easy. I'm gonna go use my spy-cam to watch for black helicopters and secret government agents now. ;)

Oh yeah, even my TiVo uses Rendezvous/Bonjour to connect to my home network. It's clearly listed in the System Information menu. Yada yada, Rendezvous, copyright Apple Computer, Inc. yada yada. Right along with the MPEG licensing and all that stuff.

chaos86

Apr 18, 2005, 03:33 PM

Lollypop

Apr 18, 2005, 04:01 PM

i also dont like the bonjour name change. Whats gona happen to all the gear out there that says rendezvous?? people are going to get confused now, Apple should have tried to keep it or gone with zero-config.

The biggest reason i will be upgrading is spotlight, searching through all my files will save me tons of time!!

MarkCollette

Apr 23, 2005, 01:05 PM

are these two counted as seperate features?

Spotlight Menu Hot Key
Bring up the Spotlight search field at any time with a dedicated keyboard shortcut.

Spotlight Window Hot Key
Bring up the Spotlight search field at any time with a dedicated keyboard shortcut that you can customize.

and these four?

Programmer Base 10 math Calculator
Use different systems like base 8 or hexadecimal with the upgraded calculator.

RPN Calculator
Use the reverse polish method of calculator input.

Scientific Calculator
Find a rich suite of scientific calculations and precision options in the new scientific calculator.

Calculator Widget
Perform basic calculations right from the Dashboard with the Calculator Widget.

seems apple has tryed to embellish that number by making each calulator mode a new 'feature' and making 2 ways to get to spotlight fields seperate 'features'
i didnt even count how many seperate 'features' they got from telling us every place spolight can search seperately and how you can view them.

One thing I've learned is that most people use only a small fraction of a system's features. It's just that everyone uses a different set of features. So, while some small calculator thing might sound stupid to anyone who doesn't use a calculator on their computer, I can assure you that it would make a noticeable difference to someone who does.

As well, some features, like Xcode 2, were just listed as a single item, while there are probably many changes from the previous version.

Admit it, like me you were expecting like 10 revolutionary, mind blowing changes, and are disappointed that Tiger won't let you walk on water, and heal lepers :)

freiheit

Apr 24, 2005, 05:34 AM

Bonjour is quite possibly the world's worst name. It doesn't sound nearly as suave as Rendezvous. Dang legal crap. :(

No, the world's worst name is a toss up between either "OS/2 For Windows" (which absolutely did not require Windows and was a fully qualified PC operating system all its own) or "OS/2 Warp" which only served to make people think how uncool it would be to use an OS that sounded like something out of Star Trek. Both names helped to ensure the dominance of Windows on the PC. On a side note, IBM did develop OS/2 for PowerPC but never finished it. *sigh* I could have been using my favorite PC operating system on a Mac years ago.