Final Cut Pro 5, Motion 2, Sountrack Pro, DVD Studio Pro 4

[MacRumors]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Apple announced four updates to their media applications today:

Final Cut Pro 5
Motion 2
SoundTrack Pro
DVD Studio Pro 4

All four products are now also bundled in a package called Final Cut Studio which delivers all products for $1299.

Apple has updated the online Apple Store (http://store.apple.com/) to reflect the changes. Each application is still available individually.

[Hugin777]

Plus Shake 4...

[d.perel]

@1299, not bad. Now if I only had tht much money....

[autrefois]

A Sunday announcement???

[CalfCanuck]

Soundtrack Pro sounds promising to me.

What are it's specs? How many channels does it support?

[crap freakboy]

year of HD huh?

well we all know how unimpressive the year of the laptop was dont we.

[Laslo Panaflex]

Only $499 updating from the production suite.

Still the old information on the website, the apple store is the only info on new apps . . .

[SAukland]

It showing up at Shake 3.5 on the Store.

[dho]

Looks like hardware updates are going to be Monday or tuesday...

[arn]

links updated in main story

http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/04/20050417153716.shtml

[bdkennedy1]

Weird that they didn't update the home page or anything.

[SAukland]

The Final Cut Studio graphic is now cycling with the Tiger graphic on the US Store.

[superduperjacob]

Weird that they didn't update the home page or anything.
They did:
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/

[Ambrose Chapel]

It showing up at Shake 3.5 on the Store.

go to the app's page:

Shake 4 is the only compositing software with a complete toolset for both single artists and visual effects facilities. With 3D multi-plane compositing, 32-bit Keylight and Primatte keying, cutting edge Optical Flow image processing, Final Cut Pro 5 integration and an open, extensible scripting language, Shake 4 delivers all the tools required for sophisticated film and television visual effects

weird though that they don't seem to be highlighting it since it's not part of the suite

http://www.apple.com/shake/

[TylerL]

Distributed Encoding in DVD Studio Pro HD makes a happy happy person.

[Zaty]

Looks like hardware updates are going to be Monday or tuesday...

Perhaps only in a week, when we are closer to the launch of Tiger

[CubaTBird]

will the keynote of tiger be put up in a few? id be cool to see the final version up for display and show... :D

[Zaty]

From the DVD Studio Pro page:

For Playing Back HD DVDs
Macintosh computer with PowerPC G5
Apple DVD Player v4.6
Mac OS X v10.4.1

I guess 10.4.1 will be out soon as will be DVD Player v 4.6. (The version shipping with Tiger Gold is advertised as v. 4.5!) It also means, even the latest PB won't be able to play back HD DVDs!

[aswitcher]

Perhaps only in a week, when we are closer to the launch of Tiger

So we pretty sure that thats all for Apple at NAB?

[FFTT]

Nice new collection of software Apple
ON WHAT MACHINE YOU DOLTS!

[Zaty]

So we pretty sure that thats all for Apple at NAB?

I'd say so as the event ended about 30 minutes ago.

[Rocket Rion]

These pro app upgrades are great, but Thinksecret and Appleinsider were saying there would be a dozen updates and new pro apps. The rumor-mill sites are a total joke. Except for MacRumors, of course.

[crpchristian]

I remember on here politely :p discussing the idea of eventually ditching Logic and turning it into a audio editor that was more easily used for film makers. Looks like apple decided to keep Logic as an aswesome tool for musicians (so far) and develop Soundtrack into what looks like a fabulous tool for film makers. I'm most certainly going to own both and use both, good move on apples part i think.

[Ambrose Chapel]

I'd say so as the event ended about 30 minutes ago.

nab goes for a few more days. and didn't last year they announce software one day and hardware the next?

[Ambrose Chapel]

These pro app upgrades are great, but Thinksecret and Appleinsider were saying there would be a dozen updates and new pro apps. The rumor-mill sites are a total joke. Except for MacRumors, of course.

well, TS predicted:

Almost certain at this point is that Apple will deliver new versions of DVD Studio Pro and Shake alongside the new version of Final Cut Pro, along with very likely an upgrade to Motion. Sources continue to point to at least one completely new pro video application, and rumblings have increased recently that a totally new pro audio application will debut as well.

they were right about everything but the new pro video app. as for all those codenames and everything, TS said they included bundled apps with FCP.

[grizzlybrice]

Is there a difference in the Academic version of Final Cut Studio and the normal one? If not, I may have a new purchase coming up.

Thanks.


Brice

[Opticdraft]

I don't know if this means anything at all but why is it that the powermacs no longer can be upgraded to a ATI Radeon 9800 ? They only have 2 graphics card possibilities for the 2.5 G5? Radeon 9600 and GeForce 6800? They dont even have it on the learn more.Is just because they ran out of stock or is it more then that?

What the heck?

[xsnightclub]

Good updates geared for the users who are attending the conference.
At least there wasn't a "and one more thing, announcing the iPod photo HD with widescreen." ( wait that is a Sony PSP)

Hope to see some Powerbooks That can run this new software, which is available in May.

remember, the during the financial results call, they reiterated that PB G5 was the 'Mother' of all thermal challenges. Mother's day is May 8, this software is available in May, Tiger will be out Just before May.

I Highly doubt that Apple would release this softwe requiring a G5 and not have a PB G5 that can run it.

[Zaty]

nab goes for a few more days. and didn't last year they announce software one day and hardware the next?

That's correct PBs and iBooks were announced on the day after the presentation. However, I would expect the new hardware to ship with Tiger. That's why I'm saying we have to wait one more week.

[aafuss1]

well, TS predicted:



they were right about everything but the new pro video app. as for all those codenames and everything, TS said they included bundled apps with FCP.

Certainly true-I also predicted new versions of the pro-apps. Plus the Soundtrack name has returned-but now is called Soundtrack Pro (with new features ).

[simX]

That's correct PBs and iBooks were announced on the day after the presentation. However, I would expect the new hardware to ship with Tiger. That's why I'm saying we have to wait one more week.

Heh! You do realize they can announce them and ship them with Tiger in 2 weeks, right? Apple has announced products over a month before they ship, so this seems like a pretty bad reason to not announce new hardware.

[WinterMute]

On-the-fly multi-camera editing, a specific Foley/post-pro audio app, HD intergrated DVD...

This is a good upgrade, and I think it points to Apples continuing evolution of pro-level integration.

Add Logic to that little mix and you're heading for an entirely Apple-based production studio.

I'd buy that for a dollar. :D

[Nicky G]

Soundtrack Pro might as well be a new application -- it is a dramatic announcement for people doing any post work, or sound design.

[CinemaRunner]

Soundtrack Pro sounds promising to me.

What are it's specs? How many channels does it support?

I don't know, but if Apple manages to do what they did with FCP, they're going to give themselves even more of a reputation in the film/video/audio industry. I'm sure they've already cut a nice chunk out of potential Avid costumers...so you never know, if Soundtrack Pro is on the ball, we may start to see some ProTools users making the jump. It sounds like you don't need any proprietary hardware to run soundtrack either.

[CinemaRunner]

Soundtrack Pro might as well be a new application -- it is a dramatic announcement for people doing any post work, or sound design.
I agree, I'm interested to what is has to offer.

[Zaty]

Heh! You do realize they can announce them and ship them with Tiger in 2 weeks, right? Apple has announced products over a month before they ship, so this seems like a pretty bad reason to not announce new hardware.

Yes, I do realise they can do that. However, I just think they will wait like they did with the G4 iBook back in 2003. To clarify my point, I was thinking of iBooks and eMacs. PMs and iMacs might only come after April 29.

[iris_failsafe]

YES!!!!
Rest in peace Discreet....

and AVID, you are next..... :cool: :D

[Zaty]

On-the-fly multi-camera editing, a specific Foley/post-pro audio app, HD intergrated DVD...

This is a good upgrade, and I think it points to Apples continuing evolution of pro-level integration.

Add Logic to that little mix and you're heading for an entirely Apple-based production studio.

I'd buy that for a dollar. :D

I totally agree. Sooner or later Apple's consumer apps will benefit from new technologies that were developed for the pro apps.

[Object-X]

Weird that they didn't update the home page or anything.

As cool as this update is, Tiger is still more important; and with Longhorn being pushed back until the end of 2006 we should be hearing about the next OS X release.

[killuminati]

It looks like apple never tested out their new pages :p

While looking around at the new software I encountered tons of dead links.

[Ambrose Chapel]

just a note about shake from its page on apple.com:

Shake 4 will be available this summer.

[Hiroshige]

Hope to see some Powerbooks That can run this new software, which is available in May.

remember, the during the financial results call, they reiterated that PB G5 was the 'Mother' of all thermal challenges. Mother's day is May 8, this software is available in May, Tiger will be out Just before May.

I Highly doubt that Apple would release this softwe requiring a G5 and not have a PB G5 that can run it.


Maybe a high end PB with a G5- and physically larger than the others. But why go with a G5 when you can use a G4 7748 or 8641:

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?code=DRPPCDUALCORE

[Rod Rod]

The answer is both. This is from Apple's PR site (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/apr/17hd.html):

Apple is committed to both emerging high definition DVD standards—Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD. Apple is an active member of the DVD Forum which developed the HD DVD standard, and last month joined the Board of Directors of the Blu-ray Disc Association.
Apple's demo today in Las Vegas included a prototype HD-DVD player made by Toshiba, which is of course a rival to Sony's Blu Ray.

A Sunday announcement???
Yes, as FCP has had Sunday announcements at NAB for each of the past 6 years now (FCP 1, 2, 3, 4, 4.5 and now 5). This is nothing out of the ordinary or even noteworthy.

Distributed Encoding in DVD Studio Pro HD makes a happy happy person.
Same here! H.264 encoding takes a lot of CPU effort. I'm glad Apple includes this feature.

[crpchristian]

YES!!!!
Rest in peace Discreet....

and AVID, you are next..... :cool: :D

NOOO...okay, i don't care about avid but I love combustion (and discreet is more high high end anyways, most of their stuff runs on its own hardware and is mucho mucho expensive and an industry standard). Motion is not a compositing tool on the level of Combustion, and shake is wayyy more expensive. Motion and combustion make a very affordable and powerful compositing/motion graphics combination.

This FCPstudio is a fabulous update, as soon as the new PMacs come out, i'm kissing a couple thousand goodbye nice and quick. I know i'm a realistic optimist but i have a strong feeling the new hardware will not dissapoint.

[idarknight]

Is there a difference in the Academic version of the Final Cut Studio and the normal one? If not, then I may have a new perchase coming up.

Thanks.


Brice

Nope - just price.

[VicMacs]

first theyll force people who want to use this software and have the money to buy a PMG5 to do so, and then let the mortal get what they want... which is yo get a powerbook G5, I also thought of the "mother of all heating issues" to be reated to mother's day... so I guess with this release of pro apps we are heading in the right direction towards a PBG5 release...

we are very close.

[LethalWolfe]

Is there a difference in the Academic version of the Final Cut Studio and the normal one? If not, then I may have a new perchase coming up.

Thanks.


Brice

Price, license agreement, and upgrade path. Per Apple's site only full retail versions can be upgraded.

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/upgradeguide.html


Lethal

[iFaulder]

I found a typo

... Final Cut Pro 5, Motion 3 and DVD Studio Pro 4 ...

its at the bottom of this page http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/soundtrackpro/

[Blue Moon]

A Sunday announcement???

Come on man we've been talking about this for days.

[fucanay]

The new features in Soundtrack Pro is going to piss off a lot of Logic Pro users. Several of the features have been asked for for years, and now a $300 app gets them first? They did the same thing with Garageband. If this kind of thing continues, there is going to be a mass defection from Logic to another alternative.

fucanay

[Calihafan]

DVD Studio Pro now supports HD DVD... now I don't know much about the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD battle, but is this HD DVD the same that Blu-Ray is competing with? Because Apple just joined the Blu-Ray consortium. I'm very confused.

Calih

[Blue Moon]

Nice new collection of software Apple
ON WHAT MACHINE YOU DOLTS!

The top end of the PM's would have no problem running these apps. What are you talking about?

[Nermal]

From the DVD Studio Pro page:

For Playing Back HD DVDs
Macintosh computer with PowerPC G5
Apple DVD Player v4.6
Mac OS X v10.4.1

I guess 10.4.1 will be out soon as will be DVD Player v 4.6. (The version shipping with Tiger Gold is advertised as v. 4.5!) It also means, even the latest PB won't be able to play back HD DVDs!

Yeah I saw that too. This confirms support for the new format, although of course you'll need a (third party?) drive too.

[isoprophlex]

Has anyone found a link to that final wrap up presentation video today (the one to "Wonderful Night")?
I really want to see that again, and all the others are on the "customer testimonial" pages...

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/customerstory.html
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/motion/customerstory.html
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/soundtrackpro/customertestimonial.html

[DrNeroCF]

So much for Apple using the video card to let the new Powerbooks run everything in realtime... If they come out with the g5 powerbooks right after I got this thing... GRRRR...

Oh wait:
"Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) or G5 processor; HD features require 1GHz or faster single or dual processor; authoring of HD DVDs requires a PowerPC G5 processor."

Phew...

[madoka]

These pro app upgrades are great, but Thinksecret and Appleinsider were saying there would be a dozen updates and new pro apps. The rumor-mill sites are a total joke. Except for MacRumors, of course.

The only joke here is calling macrumors a rumor-mill site. I can't even remember the last time they had a rumor all their own. All macrumors does now is report on other sites, which I still find useful since I don't visit those sites.

[Multimedia]

Will Tiger and QT 7 break FCP 4.5 and DVDSP 3 or Enhance Them?

I want to know if my existing suite of applications will still work or work even better by simply adding Tiger and QT 7 to the mix. Anyone know if Apple said anything about this in the press conference? :confused:

[isoprophlex]

Will Tiger and QT 7 break FCP 4.5 and DVDSP 3 or Enhance Them?

I want to know if my existing suite of applications will still work or work even better by simply adding Tiger and QT 7 to the mix. Anyone know if Apple said anything about this in the press conference? :confused:

I would have to assume so, since Tiger ships in 1-2 weeks (and Final Cut Studio doesn't ship until MAY).

But they didn't say...

[LaMerVipere]

The Final Cut Studio page is by far the best looking on the entire Apple site, in my opinion. Even got box is cool looking! Way to go Apple, making creative professionals happier each day. :D

[cspace]

there was talk of a protools killer - but i think soundtrack pro may be more of a bias killer...peak and sound soap go for over a grand - soundtrack pro is $300.

[isoprophlex]

there was talk of a protools killer - but i think soundtrack pro may be more of a bias killer...peak and sound soap go for over a grand - soundtrack pro is $300.

From the looks of it, i feel SNDK PRO could take Peak on anyday...

[Zigster]

Who would give this a negative review? This is an awesome software update. My new Panny cam and FCP5 will be linked as one.

[Lacero]

FCP 5 finally goes native HDV! This is single-handedly the biggest new feature of FCP and way better support than iMovie, with its lousy transcoding to AIC. RT-Extreme also means you can edit HDV on lower-end Macs without it becoming frustrating.

[isoprophlex]

Who would give this a negative review? This is an awesome software update. My new Panny cam and FCP5 will be linked as one.

yea ill take a AG-HVX200 if ya got one....
and its only 5~6K!

[Jalexster]

Final Cut Studio System Requirements
Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) or G5 processor; HD features require 1GHz or faster single or dual processor; authoring of HD DVDs requires a PowerPC G5 processor.
512MB of physical RAM; HD features require 1GB of RAM or more (2GB recommended)
Mac OS X v10.3.9 or Mac OS X v10.4 (or later); Core Image Units and 16- and 32-bit float rendering in Motion 2 require Mac OS X v10.4 or later
Display with at least 1024 x 768 resolution
QuickTime 7 (or later)
DVD drive required for installation
DLT drive required for replication of DVDs authored in DVD Studio Pro 4
AGP Quartz Extreme graphics card
Motion 2 requires the standard graphics card found on any Power Mac G5 or iMac G5, a 1.25GHz or faster PowerBook G4 or a 1.25GHz or faster flat-panel iMac. Any of the following graphics cards is highly recommended: NVIDIA GeForce FX 6800 Ultra DDL, NVIDIA GeForce FX 6800 GT DDL (NV40), ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 (RV M11), ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (R350) or ATI Radeon 9800 XT (R360).
4GB of disk space required to install all applications; additional 41GB required to install all optional templates, loops, content and tutorials (may be installed on separate disks)
Playback of HD DVDs authored in DVD Studio Pro 4 requires a PowerPC G5 processor, Mac OS X v10.4 and Apple DVD Player 4.6 (or later)

THAT IS A LOT OF CONTENT!

[virividox]

wow sweet deal for the price but right now fce works just great for me

[AdamZ]

As far as I can tell, the app LiveType is now gone. Can anybody find it? This was a great app since you could accomplish professional looking titles without the hardware requirements that Motion calls for. I know they just started shipping LiveType with FC Express, but is that the last of it?

[cb911]

nice! :D

now... to see what new features Shake 4 will bring... :D

edit>>

just saw that Shake 4 has a new node called MultiPlane. 3D layers baby!! w00t! Shake pwns j00 all!!

[nuckinfutz]

As far as I can tell, the app LiveType is now gone. Can anybody find it? This was a great app since you could accomplish professional looking titles without the hardware requirements that Motion calls for.

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/specs.html


It's still there.

[sigamy]

The distributed encoding in DVDSP is awesome! I've been asking for XGrid for iDVD for a while now. I have a 1Ghz G4 iMac and an 800mhz G4 iBook. I'd love to be able to use both processors for encoding DVDs.

May be time for me to upgrade to DVDSP. (Or I can just buy a G5 and get the speed that way)

[Guntis]

Oh, I hoped that Apple will create Pro level audio editing application... Still there is nothing like Steiberg WaveLabs (Win) in Macinthosh world... Yes, there is ProTools, but that is tied to the proprietary hardware, and out of question. Peak is almost there, but still limited to 2 tracks only, and no montage possibilities...
SoundTrack Pro is clierly for video pros, who need to edit film audio. It's not for audio-only tasks...

[Avicdar]

I have all the current versions of the stuff thats in the FC Studio box, but I bought them separately (FCPHD, Motion, DVDSP3).

To upgrade, Apple offers you the choice of upgrading the apps individually (obviously the most expensive), upgrading if you have ONLY FCP (any version) and finally, upgrading to FC Studio if you already have the production suite.

My question is - if I already own the individual apps, will I be able to utilize the Production Suite upgrade path? Or did Production Suite come with special Production Suite specific serial numbers (thereby preventing upgrades for anyone who didnt buy the whole thing in one go)?

It would be cruel to have pay more for not buying Production Suite all in one go.

Opinions?

[GregA]

during the financial results call, they reiterated that PB G5 was the 'Mother' of all thermal challenges. Mother's day is May 8Now that is a cool stretch of logic for a PB G5 this may :).

Not saying it's not possible, just impressed... I get called a lateral thinker but this beats me!From the DVD Studio Pro page:

For Playing Back HD DVDs
Macintosh computer with PowerPC G5
Apple DVD Player v4.6
Mac OS X v10.4.1Nicely found :) I wonder if the HD DVDs are HD-DVDs, or todays DVDs with HD content using h264 (which some players can now play).

[xsnightclub]

Maybe a high end PB with a G5- and physically larger than the others. But why go with a G5 when you can use a G4 7748 or 8641:

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?code=DRPPCDUALCORE

HD requires G5,
That is why they need a G5 in a PB.

[aussie_geek]

So we pretty sure that thats all for Apple at NAB?

I hope this NAB does not turn into the Ren and Stimpy Show.... We want PowerMac's to go WITH the apps!! :mad:


aussie_geek

[aznsal612]

HD requires G5,
That is why they need a G5 in a PB.


It says minimum 867 or faster for a powerpc g4. Isn't that what the powerbook has? Sooooo it should run. Just saying.

[Lacero]

Holy Cow! Is this the new Transformers movie? As a little kid, that was one of my favorite Saturday morning cartoons. I was always waiting for a live-action version!

http://images.apple.com/shake/images/index_callouts_20050417.jpg

[GregA]

I wonder if the HD DVDs are HD-DVDs, or todays DVDs with HD content using h264 (which some players can now play).DVD Standards
-Author traditional DVDs using SD assets
-Author HD DVDs using SD and HD assets
-Burn discs containing both an SD and an HD project

I guess that answers my wondering...?

Also:
DLT drive (required for DVD-9 projects)

Does apple have dual layer hardware yet?

[witness]

Playback of HD DVDs authored in DVD Studio Pro 4 requires a PowerPC G5 processor
Actually I'm not very interested in these apps (it's not my line of work), but I am waiting for a G5 (or equivalent) PowerBook and if Apple is releasing apps that no longer support the current G4's then it can't be too long.

[Avicdar]

DVD Standards
-Author traditional DVDs using SD assets
-Author HD DVDs using SD and HD assets
-Burn discs containing both an SD and an HD project

I guess that answers my wondering...?

Also:
DLT drive (required for DVD-9 projects)

Does apple have dual layer hardware yet?

DLT drive does not mean dual layer DVD drive. It means a DLT tape drive to enable you to take the DVD image (on tape) to a proper DVD replication facility.

[xsnightclub]

It says minimum 867 or faster for a powerpc g4. Isn't that what the powerbook has? Sooooo it should run. Just saying.

The professional user does not want a portable that can just run the program, It has to be able to use the program for which it is designed.

Example, working on project for client, editing final copy on plane from NYC to LAX, meet client, cannot author the HD DVD, give client the laptop instead, lose client for not being prepared, cannot afford new laptop, lose job, get a job working late shift tech support for Dell, become manic depressive answering tech questions like 'Where is the any key?', get promoted at Dell to sales, finally commit suicide because of massive depression from people asking do I qualify for a 'free CD burner upgrade'.

Go to heaven, AKA 1 Infinite Loop, Cupertino in the sky.

[chameeeleon]

I love the boxes Apple has cooked up for this software. Very sleek, very professional.
And as a Final Cut Express user, my eyes are officially bugged. The multicam in FC5 is amazing, I can only hope that makes its way to FCE 4 in January. Meanwhile Soundtrack Pro, Motion and DVD SP all look to be incredible. I only wish I had moula to buy Final Cut Studio. Or a real use for it outside of fun projects with friends...

[Platform]

OK nice with great software........ :rolleyes:

But as what happend at MWSF the PB did not get updated utill a few days later..........so maby the same will happen to the PM :rolleyes: :D

[Rod Rod]

DVD Studio Pro now supports HD DVD... now I don't know much about the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD battle, but is this HD DVD the same that Blu-Ray is competing with? Because Apple just joined the Blu-Ray consortium. I'm very confused.

Calih
Read my post on page 2 of this thread. Or,
read the 5th paragraph (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/apr/17hd.html) of this Apple press release.

FCP 5 finally goes native HDV! This is single-handedly the biggest new feature of FCP and way better support than iMovie, with its lousy transcoding to AIC. RT-Extreme also means you can edit HDV on lower-end Macs without it becoming frustrating.
I agree. I can't wait. My days and nights of transcoding m2t to DVCProHD will soon be over! This will also make printing to D-VHS and miniDV (HDV) tape much easier (for the purpose of saving master prints).

Actually I'm not very interested in these apps (it's not my line of work), but I am waiting for a G5 (or equivalent) PowerBook and if Apple is releasing apps that no longer support the current G4's then it can't be too long.
Yeah, maybe two or three more years at the most. iBooks had G3s for a long time even after G4 only applications were out. I suppose people will say, "but PowerBooks are the pro line and they should be up to the task of running all the pro software." PowerBook G4s will still run DVDSP 4. They just won't be able to (according to the information cited) avail the HD authoring features, and (apparently) they won't be able to play back HD-DVD content.

[GregA]

DLT drive does not mean dual layer DVD drive. It means a DLT tape drive to enable you to take the DVD image (on tape) to a proper DVD replication facility.Thanks for the clarification.

On the tech specs page, they also say:Output Formats
- DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW, Double-layer media
- Double-layer media supportGuess that is more relevant?Holy Cow! Is this the new Transformers movie? As a little kid, that was one of my favorite Saturday morning cartoons. I was always waiting for a live-action version!I believe they are making one...

But that looks like a honda(?) ad I was once sent by email (I don't live in the US - maybe someone else will know?). I looked for it but don't have it anymore. There are a few similar transformer-style ads, one with a guy beating up a photocopier.

[octoberdeath]

Price, license agreement, and upgrade path. Per Apple's site only full retail versions can be upgraded.

http:/
/www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/upgradeguide.html (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/upgradeguide.html)


Lethal


so does that mean if i'm a student and get the student discount that i can use this software for projects i get paid for and it is legal?

[Bakey]

Holy Cow! Is this the new Transformers movie? As a little kid, that was one of my favorite Saturday morning cartoons. I was always waiting for a live-action version!

Nope, it's not! It's a production still from the recent Citroen advert...

Although according to Empire magazine the live action Transformers movie is due 17th November '06, and is being produced by Micahel Bay [Armageddon, Amityville re-hash] so may, or may not depending how you look at it, be worth a look!!!

[d.perel]

Who would give this a negative review? This is an awesome software update. My new Panny cam and FCP5 will be linked as one.
The wonderful few of us who can't afford a $1200 software suite, and of course, those land-locked windows users ;)

[bigandy]

now with all these updates i'm a bit upset that yesterday i spent almost £900 (us$ 1700) on my damn car....

[AliensAreFuzzy]

I'm really excited about these updates, but I am a little mad that they raised the educational price by $200

[Hiroshige]

HD requires G5,
That is why they need a G5 in a PB.

As others have pointed out, only burning HD DVDs is said to require a G5. However, that system requirement may be incorrect. Recently I read a benchmark article which showed that a 1.6 Ghz G4 is like a 1.4 Ghz G5. The big advantages of the G5 come from the massive system bus, the ability to use DDR and of course the higher clockspeed. But the 8641 Motorola chips I linked to accomodate a 667 Mhz bus and they should start at 2 Ghz. So they should be able to burn DVDs. The big advantage of the G4 is the minimal power requirements and thermal challenges.

However, no that I think about it, the very fact that the Motorola website exists means that for some reason Apple is not imposing secrecy on Motorola, which makes me suspect has opted not to go with those chips.

[bigandy]

Holy Cow! Is this the new Transformers movie? As a little kid, that was one of my favorite Saturday morning cartoons. I was always waiting for a live-action version!

http://images.apple.com/shake/images/index_callouts_20050417.jpg


it's actually a really TRULY AWFUL Citroen advert that runs here in sunny Britain... the last time i was watching TV it actually persuaded me to switch it off - and i haven't watched any TV in three weeks! :eek:

hopefully when i have the courage to turn it back on that advert will be long gone!

[witness]

Yeah, maybe two or three more years at the most. iBooks had G3s for a long time even after G4 only applications were out. I suppose people will say, "but PowerBooks are the pro line and they should be up to the task of running all the pro software." PowerBook G4s will still run DVDSP 4. They just won't be able to (according to the information cited) avail the HD authoring features, and (apparently) they won't be able to play back HD-DVD content.
Freescale do have an alternative to the hot G5's, and the new G5's are getting cooler, so it might not be so long. IBM, Freescale and Apple have had plenty of time to work on this.

All Apple have been saying is that it would be difficult to get the current G5 desktop/server chip into a very small PowerBook, but they haven't said anything about using an alternative chip, which (in my opinion) is more likely.

[GregA]

Holy Cow! Is this the new Transformers movie? Car ad - http://www.citroen.co.uk/c4/homepage.asp?pagetype=c4, and
Photocopier ad - http://www.milkandcookies.com/article/2668/

Sorry for the off topic, tried to email you directly but no link. Enjoy.

[Dahl]

Motion 2, let's see if it stands a better chance this timee against A.E.

[Rod Rod]

Freescale do have an alternative to the hot G5's, and the new G5's are getting cooler, so it might not be so long. IBM, Freescale and Apple have had plenty of time to work on this.

All Apple have been saying is that it would be difficult to get the current G5 desktop/server chip into a very small PowerBook, but they haven't said anything about using an alternative chip, which (in my opinion) is more likely.
I certainly hope so.

This is what I find most exciting:
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/quicktours/native_HDV.html

Of course had this been out sooner it would have saved me hundreds of hours of work! :) I'm glad it's coming soon though (next month).

[Lacero]

FCP 5 also supports P2 cards, in anticipation of the debut of Panasonic's new variable frame rate HD cam. NAB 2005 is shaping up to be a stellar show.

[wdlove]

I don't personally use any of these software.

A staff member at my local Apple Store uses Final Cut Pro. He was impressed by the update. His only complaint was that he just purchased the software three months ago and would now have to purchase it again. Although I mentioned that at least he would enjoy the employee discount.

[Rod Rod]

FCP 5 also supports P2 cards, in anticipation of the debut of Panasonic's new variable frame rate HD cam. NAB 2005 is shaping up to be a stellar show.
Two pictures from today's Apple press conference (http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=25049)

HVX200 Pictures (http://www.dvxuser.com/V3/showthread.php?t=25055)

More (and better) pictures (http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-AG-HVX200-Photo-Gallery.htm) of the HVX200

At the moment the front page of camcorderinfo.com (http://www.camcorderinfo.com) has a bunch of good stuff.

[strngwys]

Is there a difference in the Academic version of the Final Cut Studio and the normal one? If not, then I may have a new perchase coming up.

Thanks.


Brice


Nah, theres no difference. I got fcp3 that way. Now I have to pay full price. Also you should pay more attention in those english classes.

[Multimedia]

As far as I can tell, the app LiveType is now gone. Can anybody find it? This was a great app since you could accomplish professional looking titles without the hardware requirements that Motion calls for. I know they just started shipping LiveType with FC Express, but is that the last of it?
I gotta believe that LiveType will still be included with the Final Cut Pro install. :)

Yes CONFIRMED. If you go to the technical specifications of FCP 5, LiveType is part of the package as is Compressor also. :)

[weezer160]

year of HD huh?

well we all know how unimpressive the year of the laptop was dont we.

LOL, I know, I was thinking the same thing. :p

[iDave]

I have all the current versions of the stuff thats in the FC Studio box, but I bought them separately (FCPHD, Motion, DVDSP3).

My question is - if I already own the individual apps, will I be able to utilize the Production Suite upgrade path? Or did Production Suite come with special Production Suite specific serial numbers (thereby preventing upgrades for anyone who didnt buy the whole thing in one go)?
I don't know. I've wondered the same about Adobe CS2, since I have all of the separate applications.

[Rootman]

My question is - if I already own the individual apps, will I be able to utilize the Production Suite upgrade path? Or did Production Suite come with special Production Suite specific serial numbers (thereby preventing upgrades for anyone who didnt buy the whole thing in one go)?
They said at the NAB press conference that any single FP version qualifies for the full suite upgrade deal.

[Multimedia]

They said at the NAB press conference that any single app qualifies for the full suite upgrade deal.
At the Apple Store on the grey right hand column under "New to the Store" is the term "Upgrades for Pro Video Production". Clicking there explains all upgrade paths. One is from Production Suite for $499 OR FCP HD to Final Cut Studio for $699. :)

This seems to exclude other applications qualifying for a full upgrade. Seems like if we own more than one of the Studio applications we ought to be able to upgrade to Studio for $499. In my dreams anyway. :(

That appears to be the best and only deals for both commercial and academic buyers. No such link is at the Apple Educational Store. :(

Maybe this will change between now and when it all ships - I hope.

[deanbo]

I wouldn't be at the least bit surpised if G5's were announced tommorrow. After all, since when has Apple announced hardware on a Sunday?

And if new G5's are coming this month, what better time to announce it?

[jrv3034]

That appears to be the best and only deals for both commercial and academic buyers. No such link is at the Apple Educational Store. :(

Educational software cannot be upgraded. You need the retail software to qualify for the upgrades.

[animefan_1]

The new features in Soundtrack Pro is going to piss off a lot of Logic Pro users. Several of the features have been asked for for years, and now a $300 app gets them first? They did the same thing with Garageband. If this kind of thing continues, there is going to be a mass defection from Logic to another alternative.

fucanay

I don't know what features you are talking about, but I do know that there is a Logic 7.1 update coming out soon (check Apple's Online Store). Supposedly, it has some new features. Could those new features be any of the one's you are concerned with?

[Nicky G]

I don't know what features you are talking about, but I do know that there is a Logic 7.1 update coming out soon (check Apple's Online Store). Supposedly, it has some new features. Could those new features be any of the one's you are concerned with?

Fucanay has been going forum to forum trying to stir up anti-Apple sentiment on behalf of "disgruntled Logic users." I wouldn't take him too seriously! The 7.1 update is HUGE, and is being very looked forward to by most Logic users.

[Phat_Pat]

jeez and i just got motion..... apple... wheres the gun!? :p

[Wonder Boy]

These pro app upgrades are great, but Thinksecret and Appleinsider were saying there would be a dozen updates and new pro apps. The rumor-mill sites are a total joke. Except for MacRumors, of course.

don't be stupid. think secret is the only one giving out reliable info time after time. if they weren't so good, they wouldn't be getting sued.

[LethalWolfe]

The professional user does not want a portable that can just run the program, It has to be able to use the program for which it is designed.

And in the world of NLE's you will always be comprimsing ability for portability when you are working on a laptop in the field. Expecting PowerBooks to perform on par w/PowerMacs is not realistic.

Example, working on project for client, editing final copy on plane from NYC to LAX, meet client, cannot author the HD DVD, give client the laptop instead, lose client for not being prepared, ...

One minor hole in your hypothetical situation. Try fitting the new software, plus your HD source footage, plus room for render files, plus room for the rendered HD-DVD on a laptops HDD. Unless you are working on a really, really tiny project it isn't going to fit. And, even if you made an HD-DVD what is the client going to play it back on?

It will be a couple of years before your hypothetical starts turning into a reality and by that time I sure hope Apple has a G5 PowerBook out there. ;)


Lethal

[arkmannj]

Any chance of ever seeing an educational priced version of Shake ?

I want to learn it, and I'm a student but I can't afford to throw down $3000.00. ouch.

[Rocket Rion]

don't be stupid. think secret is the only one giving out reliable info time after time. if they weren't so good, they wouldn't be getting sued.

Since the lawsuit, Thinksecret is just making up garbage to keep the site going. It's been wrong about everything except for the obvious predictions. Hell, my mother could have predicted the upgrades that came out today.

[fucanay]

Fucanay has been going forum to forum trying to stir up anti-Apple sentiment on behalf of "disgruntled Logic users." I wouldn't take him too seriously! The 7.1 update is HUGE, and is being very looked forward to by most Logic users.


You know, I was pretty happy to see that we were getting at least something updated in Logic 7.1. But then we see Apple's "Pro" Audio application getting passed up, yet again, by another audio app. It's not a matter of stirring up anti-Apple sentiment, I think Apple has done that plenty on it's own, especially with it's Logic user base.

For years Logic users having been asking for better audio editing and modernization of certain tools, and suddenly Soundtrack Pro is getting a lot of those features and they are nowhere to be seen in Logic. They pile on a bunch of plugins and call it an update. Not very "pro" to me.

And before you accuse me of being anti-Apple or anti-Logic, please note that I've never owned another brand of computer or another pro audio application. I've been a loyal user for years. But I now start to wonder where that loyalty has gotten me.

fucanay

[swissmann]

Pretty impressive stuff. I would still like to see some other features in FCP that I am not seeing right now in my quick review like adding multiple transitions automatically instead of just the default transition and ken burns effects. I would love to be able to make a slide show with stills as easily as in iPhoto/iMovie but allowing you to alter it in a pro way. I would also like to see network rendering. Maybe it's there but I'm not seeing it. However the native HDV work flow is enough by itself that I am purchasing this now. Tiger and all this new pro stuff. I'm excited.

[Lacero]

Well, several things disappoint me with the latest release of FCP 5.0. Some of which are:

Filter sets. Having the ability to turn on or off certain filters in a sequence without having to load into the viewer each individual clip. This would also mean support for adjustment layers, as is present in AE and Photoshop.

Real-time Composite modes. Apple made no mention of Core-compatibility with FCP. Perhaps more light will be shed with Tiger's release.

[dongmin]

These pro app upgrades are great, but Thinksecret and Appleinsider were saying there would be a dozen updates and new pro apps. The rumor-mill sites are a total joke. Except for MacRumors, of course.

TS reported up to 12 apps, but said not all would be stand alone apps. This is the list I put together that includes all the 2ndary apps:

Final Cut Pro 5
Compressor 2
LiveType
Cinema Tools 3
DVD Studio Pro 4
QMaster
Motion 2
Soundtrack Pro
Shake
PrimatteRT Keyer?
Final Cut Studio

That's 11 if you include the production suite. I'd say TS got it pretty close to the nose.

Given no hardware announcements today, I'm skeptical that dual-core G5s will find their way into the next Power Mac updates. It's looking like one of those under-the-radar updates. Expect the next PMs to top out at dual 2.7 ghz. No quads for at least another 4-5 months. :(

[devman]

Yeah I saw that too. This confirms support for the new format, although of course you'll need a (third party?) drive too.

I was in the live chat last night and I thought one of the messages said that exisiting superdrives could play HD-DVD.

[devman]

So much for Apple using the video card to let the new Powerbooks run everything in realtime... If they come out with the g5 powerbooks right after I got this thing... GRRRR...

Oh wait:
"Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) or G5 processor; HD features require 1GHz or faster single or dual processor; authoring of HD DVDs requires a PowerPC G5 processor."

Phew...

Well, Motion 2 specifically requires Tiger for it's use of Core Image units.

[DPazdanISU]

HD requires G5,
That is why they need a G5 in a PB.


Its all coming clear to me now...

[puckhead193]

wow the requirements seem high, def. not using these apps with a mini! Apple needs to add more balls to their pbs soon cause alot of people would want to use this on their 17" pb.
Its about time apple used flash on their website. The website is so plain.

[paulypants]

Heavy duty video editing and 3D work is not meant to be done on a laptop. In the future, sure, but then the top end stuff at that time won't meant to be done on a laptop either -- that is meant for workstations.

[DrNeroCF]

Well, Motion 2 specifically requires Tiger for it's use of Core Image units.

Yeah, but my question is, why doesn't FCP use Tiger for Core Image to make everything realtime, even on the powerbooks?

[Porchland]

OK, so it writes to a format no one can write to, but that's all going to change soon. Nice work, Apple! Now standardize the Blu-Ray burner and get Sony to make a $600 HD camcorder! 2007?

[aswitcher]

I wouldn't be at the least bit surpised if G5's were announced tommorrow. After all, since when has Apple announced hardware on a Sunday?

And if new G5's are coming this month, what better time to announce it?


And just trump Intel who release dual cores on Wednesday...

[Flickta]

Now here is the stuff I was impressed most with:
Apple used Flash for the creation of the web-page for the first time.
Not QuickTime. Not standard code. Flash.

This is... Different.
(if we actually think of it, not cry out loud about industry standards etc.)

[SiliconAddict]

Tell me what the heck Apple is going to have left to release at WWDC if Tiger, FCS, and the rumored hardware updates come out this month?

LOL....Maybe REAL PowerBook updates? Mac Mini Updates? Introduction to OS X Lion or whatever to be release Winter of '06 *fingers crossed*

[Lacero]

I hope this NAB does not turn into the Ren and Stimpy Show....More like Wrestlemania with loudspeakers. Last year at NAB, I believe there was a shouting match between the Motion booth and one from Avid or so. It was pretty silly.

[Multimedia]

Educational software cannot be upgraded. You need the retail software to qualify for the upgrades.
The Educational Price of FCS is Same As Upgrade $699. :)

[themonk]

You know, I was pretty happy to see that we were getting at least something updated in Logic 7.1. But then we see Apple's "Pro" Audio application getting passed up, yet again, by another audio app. It's not a matter of stirring up anti-Apple sentiment, I think Apple has done that plenty on it's own, especially with it's Logic user base.

For years Logic users having been asking for better audio editing and modernization of certain tools, and suddenly Soundtrack Pro is getting a lot of those features and they are nowhere to be seen in Logic. They pile on a bunch of plugins and call it an update. Not very "pro" to me.

fucanay

i replied to this line of thinking in the osx audio forum:

i think this audio editor is fantastic. it shows that apple knows what a nice audio editor should do, and i think the UI is interface is gorgeous. you can't make a clumsy program like logic look like that overnight. it takes years.

in other words, this GREAT NEWS. just like the introduction of apple loops in garageband was great for logic people. (few people appreciate how advanced the apple loops technology really is--they diss it simply because it's "garageband" so it must be for weenies.) it's only natural and a matter of simple logic that these things will be back-integrated into logic. otherwise apple would wait years before releasing any apps and the market would have left them in the dust.

if the features sucked, then you should be moaning. but they look superb. the abilty to highlight a small section of audio for timeshifting is nice, and the cubase-like processing is great.

i have no problem about dropping $300 for a high-end standalone audio editor that can do all that. sometimes it's nice to get out of logic and do some sound editingmangling outside of the box. (and even an integrated audio editor like logic's is somewhat independent of the program--that's the nature of an audio editor.) my guess is that by logic 8 will have a similiar editor, but until then i'll get this and have the best of all worlds: logic vast midi programming, logic's synths and fx, and a nice standalone audio editor, for a total of $1300, the same price as buying the complete line of NI's plug-ins. (another potent combo would Live for arranging and Soundtrack Pro for making new loops.)

the following comment also makes sense:

Rob Schoeben, Apple's vice president of Applications Marketing, regarding Soundtrack Pro and Logic:

"Pro Tools approach is to try to be one tool for everything," said Schoeben. "We took a lot of time to decide what the right way to solve the audio issues out there -- the answer was two tools. With some shared tools, but a great music creation tool in Logic Pro 7 and an audio for video tool that is first and foremost about creating the perfect soundtrack."

Source: http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/04/17/fcpexec/index.php

this is a great approach for film as the integration looks impressive, but it's fine for music too, since any audio editor is more or less running standalone. not everything has to be inside logic to run smoothly. in addition, by making it a stand alone app, they were free to work without the massive constraints that logic would have led to. and i bet it runs supersmoothly, as ground-up mac apps tend to do.

[fucanay]

I don't need a stand alone editor. There are plenty of those. They kill the workflow by having to leave Logic, Open the Editor, make the changes, save the file, go back to Logic, Create a new track, Import the new file, and put it in the right place, Delete or Mute the old track. Or they could put a decent and modern editor in Logic so i can skip all the hassle.

I'm not talking about post either. These tools are needed for composition too, so I'm kind of pissed.

As far as it talking years to turn an application into an Apple application, they've had almost 3 years now. They bought Emagic in July of 2002.

fucanay

[Marianco]

@1299, not bad. Now if I only had tht much money....

If you can't afford $1299, you don't belong. $1299 is SO LOW a price for the digital video industry, it's practically free.

Final Cut Studio is meant for digital video production at a professional level. At this level, a video camera costs $30,000 to $100,000. You need at least $25,000 of computer hardware - of which the PowerMac is a small component and memory and hard disk storage and backup are the major components. Since the software supports grid computing/distributed computing, you may also need several X-Serves.

[themonk]

I don't need a stand alone editor. There are plenty of those. They kill the workflow by having to leave Logic, Open the Editor, make the changes, save the file, go back to Logic, Create a new track, Import the new file, and put it in the right place, Delete or Mute the old track. Or they could put a decent and modern editor in Logic so i can skip all the hassle.
fucanay

but isn't that almost the same as you do now within logic's audio editor? i click on a wave which opens the editor, do the work (in a ugly ugly environment i admit), save the file, then go back to logic and drag it to where i want. the process doesn't sound all the different to me, as you don't work within the audio editor while your track is playing. in other words, audio editing is not a realtime composition process, is it?

[aafuss1]

i replied to this line of thinking in the osx audio forum:

i think this audio editor is fantastic. it shows that apple knows what a nice audio editor should do, and i think the UI is interface is gorgeous. you can't make a clumsy program like logic look like that overnight. it takes years.

in other words, this GREAT NEWS. just like the introduction of apple loops in garageband was great for logic people. (few people appreciate how advanced the apple loops technology really is--they diss it simply because it's "garageband" so it must be for weenies.) it's only natural and a matter of simple logic that these things will be back-integrated into logic. otherwise apple would wait years before releasing any apps and the market would have left them in the dust.

if the features sucked, then you should be moaning. but they look superb. the abilty to highlight a small section of audio for timeshifting is nice, and the cubase-like processing is great.

i have no problem about dropping $300 for a high-end standalone audio editor that can do all that. sometimes it's nice to get out of logic and do some sound editingmangling outside of the box. (and even an integrated audio editor like logic's is somewhat independent of the program--that's the nature of an audio editor.) my guess is that by logic 8 will have a similiar editor, but until then i'll get this and have the best of all worlds: logic vast midi programming, logic's synths and fx, and a nice standalone audio editor, for a total of $1300, the same price as buying the complete line of NI's plug-ins. (another potent combo would Live for arranging and Soundtrack Pro for making new loops.)

the following comment also makes sense:

Rob Schoeben, Apple's vice president of Applications Marketing, regarding Soundtrack Pro and Logic:

"Pro Tools approach is to try to be one tool for everything," said Schoeben. "We took a lot of time to decide what the right way to solve the audio issues out there -- the answer was two tools. With some shared tools, but a great music creation tool in Logic Pro 7 and an audio for video tool that is first and foremost about creating the perfect soundtrack."

Source: http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/04/17/fcpexec/index.php

this is a great approach for film as the integration looks impressive, but it's fine for music too, since any audio editor is more or less running standalone. not everything has to be inside logic to run smoothly. in addition, by making it a stand alone app, they were free to work without the massive constraints that logic would have led to. and i bet it runs supersmoothly, as ground-up mac apps tend to do.

I definitely agree Soundtrack Pro would be very well-suited for film-making purposes and soundtrack production also it is has nice intergration with several of Apple's pro-apps and also I agree about what Apple's Rob Schoeben said about Soundtrack Pro .

[Rod Rod]

OK, so it writes to a format no one can write to, but that's all going to change soon. Nice work, Apple! Now standardize the Blu-Ray burner and get Sony to make a $600 HD camcorder! 2007?
What do you mean, "a format no one can write to"? HD DVDs created with DVDSP 4 can be burned to existing DVD±Rs. Take a look at Apple's DVD Studio Pro 4 (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/dvdstudiopro/) page. Mouse over "author in SD or HD."

Blu-Ray would be nice but it's not absolutely essential to Apple's strategy. Please read my post on page 2 of this thread to see what Apple says regarding HD DVD and Blu-Ray.

Anyhow, serious professional work that goes to replicators doesn't go on DVD±Rs anyhow; it goes on Digital Linear Tape (DLT). I have a DLT drive. :)

As for a $600 HD camcorder, that'll likely take two years. It'll be another 6 months to a year before there's a sub-$1000 HD camcorder out (short of a used JVC HD1).

[fucanay]

but isn't that almost the same as you do now within logic's audio editor? i click on a wave which opens the editor, do the work (in a ugly ugly environment i admit), save the file, then go back to logic and drag it to where i want. the process doesn't sound all the different to me, as you don't work within the audio editor while your track is playing. in other words, audio editing is not a realtime composition process, is it?


Yeah, if the track is in the arrange you don't have to leave Logic. You just make your edits and close the window and the changes are reflected automatically. It's just that the editor isn't very easy to use or very powerful. If they could manage to just incorporate the Soundtrack Pro editor into the current Sample Editor, all would be fine (on this front). But it's not and Logic users will likely have to wait a good deal of time for anything like that. I mean, it took almost 6 months to even get a real update at all (7.1 which we are still waiting for).

Don't get me wrong, I really do like Logic. I prefer it to ProTools, DP and Cubase. But the feature set is lagging behind those apps now. I got into Logic because they seemed to be really focused on bringing innovative features and stable software. I don't feel that way anymore, and it bothers me.

Sorry for hijacking this thread with this stuff. The new Suite looks really nice for the Video guys, just this little bit bothers me.

fucanay

[Lacero]

Soundtrack Pro looks to be the breakout software from the Final Cut Studio package. I think this program is desperately needed by the majority of video editors out there. If you've seen semi-professional video productions, the most glaring amateurish aspect has always been the audio.

Noise reduction, and the other tools will really elevate Apple's offering to the forefront. Vegas has a new competitor.

[Bakey]

it's actually a really TRULY AWFUL Citroen advert that runs here in sunny Britain...

Can't you just view it from artistic/technical merit, ie. it's pretty damn good!! Could it be that you're so much a VX-only type chap who can't stand anything without the griffin riding on the bonnet? :p

Anyway, back on topic... personally speaking I've everything crossed at the moment in the hope that a "project" pulls off and therefore necessitates the need to purchase DVDSP4. :D

PS. Before you flame me I’d like to make it quite clear I’ve had numerous Vaux GTE, SRi and Bertone badged motors in my past!! ;)

[Diatribe]

Introduction to OS X Lion or whatever to be release Winter of '06 *fingers crossed*

Don't expect this this year. It'll be previewed 2006 and be coming out 2007. Which would give Apple about 2 years between the upgrades as they said they were slowing it down. I'd say spring/summer 2007 is a good date for 10.5.

[Lacero]

What possible new features could they come out in Lion? Tonight, I will sleep on some ideas.

I don't think I could have ever thought of Expose or Dashboard, so I will look at small third party developers for ideas.

[LethalWolfe]

If you've seen semi-professional video productions, the most glaring amateurish aspect has always been the audio.


I think a lot of that problem is between the chair and the keyboard (and piss-poor production). I'm sure many people will find Soundtrack Pro very useful, but it will just be more pearls before swine for some. Just another tool to not use or not learn how to use properly.


What possible new features could they come out in Lion? Tonight, I will sleep on some ideas.
Worst.
Pun.
Evar.

;)


Lethal

[nesbitt_a]

wow the requirements seem high, def. not using these apps with a mini! Apple needs to add more balls to their pbs soon cause alot of people would want to use this on their 17" pb.

I really don't think Apple would leave their PowerBook line unable to avail of HD DVD -- one of the biggest selling points of their new suite! Updated PowerBooks are a coming....

Its about time apple used flash on their website. The website is so plain.

I agree. The new flash animation is very nice.

[Platform]

I wouldn't be at the least bit surpised if G5's were announced tommorrow. After all, since when has Apple announced hardware on a Sunday?

And if new G5's are coming this month, what better time to announce it?

Maby tomorrow.......tuesday :rolleyes:

[gkhaldi]

Thanks for the clarification.

On the tech specs page, they also say:Guess that is more relevant?I believe they are making one...

But that looks like a honda(?) ad I was once sent by email (I don't live in the US - maybe someone else will know?). I looked for it but don't have it anymore. There are a few similar transformer-style ads, one with a guy beating up a photocopier.

It is actually the Citroen C4. The shot was filmed on location in downtown Vancouver.

[Lacero]

I have a suspicion all these graphic design companies are coming out with transformer-style ads so they can land the lucrative deal to do the special effects for the live-action movie version of Transformers. Am i right?

[Shagrat]

The new features in Soundtrack Pro is going to piss off a lot of Logic Pro users. Several of the features have been asked for for years, and now a $300 app gets them first? They did the same thing with Garageband. If this kind of thing continues, there is going to be a mass defection from Logic to another alternative.

fucanay
Hey Fucanay! Another one from OSX Audio here on the rumor mill?

seriously, can't see why this would cause anyone (me for instance) to defect from Logic. Logic is first and foremost a musicians tool, and Sundtrack pro, at least at first glance is a Video Audio/Music tool. Sure there are some overlaps between the two, like the Instruments/plugs from Logic here, now. But would you want to make music with Sountrack Pro? Or use logic for video Sound editing? I think this makes perfect sense to me, and i suspect that there will be useful "cross pollination" between the various flavours of Logic Sountrack AND Garage band. I really don't think Logic will be left behind. Just a result of where we are in the development cycle between various products.

[iGary]

Nice software release.

I'm not in the video market, but it is nice to see Apple staying on top of the game.

[The Shadow]

Excuse me for being completely ignorant, but does this new support for HD formats also mean that Q7 and FCS apps will support xvid? :cool:

I noticed they support AC3, which FCP HD and Studio Pro 3 do not, to my utter annoyance. :mad:

Guess I'll have to wait and see, but thanks anyone for your opinions. ;)

[jasonbuss]

that add was created in luxology's "modo" - read the sheet for some more info

http://www.luxology.com/article/113004_1/1.aspx

on the note of these upgrades... i agree with the excitement, i cant wait see and use some of these new features!

jasonbuss

[iGary]

Apple Store is still up, looks like no PM's today. :(

[SiliconAddict]

Don't expect this this year. It'll be previewed 2006 and be coming out 2007. Which would give Apple about 2 years between the upgrades as they said they were slowing it down. I'd say spring/summer 2007 is a good date for 10.5.


They said they were going to stop the year to year update. Winter of '06 release would be about 18 months from the release of tiger. I don't expect Apple to sit on their hands as Longhorn is release. Tiger is good but it’s going to be old news when Longhorn comes out. Yes I know feature for feature Tiger is going to whip LH's butt but simply from the standpoint of marketing if Apple can start the buzz NOW and do a preview this year and a update at WWDC next year with a release just after Apple's Paris event it would take some of the wind out of Longshot’s sails.

[Rod Rod]

Excuse me for being completely ignorant, but does this new support for HD formats also mean that Q7 and FCS apps will support xvid? :cool:

I noticed they support AC3, which FCP HD and Studio Pro 3 do not, to my utter annoyance. :mad:

Guess I'll have to wait and see, but thanks anyone for your opinions. ;)
1. Xvid is apparently not supported, but industry standard HD formats are supported. By "industry" I mean production industry, not software industry.
2. AC3 has ALWAYS been supported by DVD Studio Pro, going back to version 1. I don't know where you got the idea that DVDSP 3 didn't support AC3. You may now cease being utterly annoyed.
3. AC3 is not an editing format; it's good FCP doesn't "support" AC3. It's bad enough that MP3 and AAC files play back on FCP timelines. People are much better off using uncompressed AIFF/WAV files.

[k28]

I just realize that it is the first time that i see flash animation (on Final Cut Pro 5, Motion 2, Sountrack Pro, DVD Studio Pro 4 pages) on apple website.

Sorry, not so related....

[esquared]

Just called Apple about those of us who already own the 3 apps in the Editing Suite seperately, was told we have to pay the $699, NOT the $499 we're entitled to. Bend over boys and girls, Uncle Steve has somethin' for ya..... :eek:

[Wonder Boy]

Since the lawsuit, Thinksecret is just making up garbage to keep the site going. It's been wrong about everything except for the obvious predictions. Hell, my mother could have predicted the upgrades that came out today.

then maybe she should start a site.

[crpchristian]

Uhm...Does anyone know what is going on with the Apple Booth today? Is there a link describing it/showing it off or can anyone briefly describe what was under all the black covers? I realize there were no PMs today or people would be talking about it already. Coming out tomorrow maybe? Is it just software being shown off today? That would make sense, its not like you'd want (if its coming) new hardware technology to overshadow such a big video/software update the day (after)its announced.

[Rod Rod]

Just called Apple about those of us who already own the 3 apps in the Editing Suite seperately, was told we have to pay the $699, NOT the $499 we're entitled to. Bend over boys and girls, Uncle Steve has somethin' for ya..... :eek:
Hey, you could just switch to Avid and pay $3495 for their HD editing suite, but wait, that's currently PC only. $699 is still an incredible bargain.

[Rod Rod]

Uhm...Does anyone know what is going on with the Apple Booth today? Is there a link describing it/showing it off or can anyone briefly describe what was under all the black covers? I realize there were no PMs today or people would be talking about it already. Coming out tomorrow maybe? Is it just software being shown off today? That would make sense, its not like you'd want (if its coming) new hardware technology to overshadow such a big video/software update the day (after)its announced.
Apple could have updated its ENTIRE line of desktops and portables yesterday and that would not have overshadowed Final Cut Studio. This idea of staggering announcements for the sake of not stealing thunder from products is mistaken. While it might make sense from an entertainment perspective, business wise it would be ruinous to hold back products for fear of "overshadowing." Besides, HD video demands faster hardware than what's out. A dual 2.5 does the job but certain renders and encodes still take a long time. :)

[dosers]

That's not true: I called the Apple store on 2 occasions (today and yesterday), for a personal and business purchase. In both cases I was assured that I am able to purchase (and have ordered!) the $499 production suite upgrade IF I own Motion, Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro SEPERATELY. The install will check the aplications on your system and upgrade them. The $699 upgrade is only neccessary if you do not have ALL applications already.
Best, dan



Just called Apple about those of us who already own the 3 apps in the Editing Suite seperately, was told we have to pay the $699, NOT the $499 we're entitled to. Bend over boys and girls, Uncle Steve has somethin' for ya..... :eek:

[revenuee]

i just want to clarify a point as i got it from the website and everyone responses

i can edit my HDV footage on any of the new powerbooks right?

the only thing i really need a G5 for is if i want to burn HD to a HD DVD? meaning that if the need came, i can just take an external hard drive with my footage, hook it up to a capable machine and go from there?

i can just easily downgrade my HDV captured footage to 16:9 ratio SD and burn it to play on just SD DVD's? the current used by everybody?

the reason i ask is because i want to upgrade from my Sawtooth to a 15 inch powerbook in september ... i need portability, and i want to get just lower priced (maybe used) HDV cam --- i don't make a lot, or any money from my video work, it's almost all art/personal short projects. I'd like to work more with feature length, and i'd like to get the highest quality i can afford, and i love the 16:9 ratio, and i would like to watch it full screen, with with the highest quality on my LCD TV or when projected on large screens for viewings

thanks in advance ... i didn't want to make a new thread for this question, just figured i would ask in this one.

Rev

[esquared]

That's not true: I called the Apple store on 2 occasions (today and yesterday), for a personal and business purchase. In both cases I was assured that I am able to purchase (and have ordered!) the $499 production suite upgrade IF I own Motion, Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro SEPERATELY. The install will check the aplications on your system and upgrade them. The $699 upgrade is only neccessary if you do not have ALL applications already.
Best, dan
OK, well, we've each been told something different. I was told by 2 different people at Apple Support, you at 2 different occasions by the Apple store. I hope you're right, but the proof is in the doing. I need alot more convincing, with all respect to you. I'll take the wait and see approach.

[dosers]

Hey, that's fair enough, and I understand that.
All I can say is that I have 2 orders placed, with the Apple store, for the $499 studio upgrades which I am told will work perfectly. I obviously haven't 'tried' it.

But, if you consider this: Who, if not us, WOULD be eligible for the $499 upgrade ? It's a fact the $699 upgrade is a one-product upgrade, i.e. it's clear on Apple's website that you can upgrade for $699 if you have any ONE of the products mentioned (as proven by the BUY button :-) ). So, the upgrade from the product suite, purely logically, comes into play if you have not one but all the products (that were previously available) installed and owned already....

For what it's worth, I can give you my order number - maybe you can reference my sales person(s).....

Best,
Dan

OK, well, we've each been told something different. I was told by 2 different people at Apple Support, you at 2 different occasions by the Apple store. I hope you're right, but the proof is in the doing. I need alot more convincing, with all respect to you. I'll take the wait and see approach.

[Rod Rod]

i can edit my HDV footage on any of the new powerbooks right?

the only thing i really need a G5 for is if i want to burn HD to a HD DVD? meaning that if the need came, i can just take an external hard drive with my footage, hook it up to a capable machine and go from there?

i can just easily downgrade my HDV captured footage to 16:9 ratio SD and burn it to play on just SD DVD's? the current used by everybody?
That appears to be the case. Just be sure to have at least 1GB of RAM (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/specs.html) and a 1GHz or faster processor.

[esquared]

Hey, that's fair enough, and I understand that.
All I can say is that I have 2 orders placed, with the Apple store, for the $499 studio upgrades which I am told will work perfectly. I obviously haven't 'tried' it.

But, if you consider this: Who, if not us, WOULD be eligible for the $499 upgrade ? It's a fact the $699 upgrade is a one-product upgrade, i.e. it's clear on Apple's website that you can upgrade for $699 if you have any ONE of the products mentioned (as proven by the BUY button :-) ). So, the upgrade from the product suite, purely logically, comes into play if you have not one but all the products (that were previously available) installed and owned already....

For what it's worth, I can give you my order number - maybe you can reference my sales person(s).....

Best,
Dan
Dan, I was told that if I buy the Suite upgrade, it will look for only 1 serial number to match, not 3. Apparently, those who bought the earlier suite version were given only 1 serial for the entire 3 apps. That is the number that the upgrade will try to reference. That's what I was told.

[revenuee]

That appears to be the case. Just be sure to have at least 1GB of RAM (http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/specs.html) and a 1GHz or faster processor.

ya ... i can deal with the solution then ... awesome ... that makes me feel a little better

who knows, maybe we'll see some form of processor in the next powerbook that will be able to handle it anyway ... LOL ... dare to dream ..

thanks for your help

[Rod Rod]

ya ... i can deal with the solution then ... awesome ... that makes me feel a little better

who knows, maybe we'll see some form of processor in the next powerbook that will be able to handle it anyway ... LOL ... dare to dream ..

thanks for your help
You're welcome. Who knows, maybe we'll get an H.264 co-processor in the next PowerBooks (with or without a dual-core e600 or low power G5). That would rock.

[chameeeleon]

Does anyone recognize the tune used in the Motion 2 video about Mekanism? It's very catchy. Or maybe it's Apple-produced?

[esquared]

Hey, that's fair enough, and I understand that.
All I can say is that I have 2 orders placed, with the Apple store, for the $499 studio upgrades which I am told will work perfectly. I obviously haven't 'tried' it.

But, if you consider this: Who, if not us, WOULD be eligible for the $499 upgrade ? It's a fact the $699 upgrade is a one-product upgrade, i.e. it's clear on Apple's website that you can upgrade for $699 if you have any ONE of the products mentioned (as proven by the BUY button :-) ). So, the upgrade from the product suite, purely logically, comes into play if you have not one but all the products (that were previously available) installed and owned already....

For what it's worth, I can give you my order number - maybe you can reference my sales person(s).....

Best,
Dan
Also, according to this http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/dvdstudiopro/upgradeguide.html , the only app. you may upgrade from to get Studio is FCP.

[BOOMBA]

wow the requirements seem high, def. not using these apps with a mini! Apple needs to add more balls to their pbs soon cause alot of people would want to use this on their 17" pb.
Its about time apple used flash on their website. The website is so plain.

I too am furious over these minimum requirements!
I just bought a BRAND NEW iPod Shuffle, and there is NO WAY these apps are going to run on it!

And I went for the 1 GB version SPECIFICALLY so I wouldn't run into this kind of problem!

GET IT TOGETHER APPLE!

[esquared]

Hey, that's fair enough, and I understand that.
All I can say is that I have 2 orders placed, with the Apple store, for the $499 studio upgrades which I am told will work perfectly. I obviously haven't 'tried' it.

But, if you consider this: Who, if not us, WOULD be eligible for the $499 upgrade ? It's a fact the $699 upgrade is a one-product upgrade, i.e. it's clear on Apple's website that you can upgrade for $699 if you have any ONE of the products mentioned (as proven by the BUY button :-) ). So, the upgrade from the product suite, purely logically, comes into play if you have not one but all the products (that were previously available) installed and owned already....

For what it's worth, I can give you my order number - maybe you can reference my sales person(s).....

Best,
Dan
You were right Dan, I just found this page, http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/topquestions.html, which clearly says we are entitled to the $499 upgrade price. Now, if someone at Apple would be kind enough to inform their employees about this policy, it would greatly help keep my blood pressure in check :p

[dosers]

You were right Dan, I just found this page, http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/topquestions.html, which clearly says we are entitled to the $499 upgrade price. Now, if someone at Apple would be kind enough to inform their employees about this policy, it would greatly help keep my blood pressure in check :p


I couldn't agree more !! :-) The times I had to 'fight' about something with Apple support or, to a somewhat lesser degree, Sales..... :-)

Best,
Dan

[crpchristian]

So it is just now dawning on me how amazing the midi support for motion could be. (i do a lot of music so luckily i already own a midi keyboard) I could animate and entire shot in REALTIME once i have things rigged up. You can almost completely bypass the process of setting up keyframes..its kind of like those remote control devices used for animatronic creatures, just animate it like a puppet.

Of course..how many video nerds are music nerds too ;)

[Rod Rod]

Of course..how many video nerds are music nerds too ;)
Animation and motion graphics are pretty much distinct categories from video, so maybe the question is how many musicians are also animators?

[RAS admin]

Dear Apple Customer,

Apple is pleased to report that a shipment for the following order
is on its way to you.

The following products shipped on 05/16/2005.


Product # Product Description Qty Ext Price
__________ ________________________________________ ____ ________________

M9912Z/A FINAL CUT STUDIO UPGRADE FROM FCP-INT 1 699.00
_________________________________________________________________________

Sweet!