XBox 360 Final Picture

[dotdotdot]

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/0646533664364066.JPG?0.4170914521604555

This has been reported as the real thing.

Notice the lack of ports for controllers. Rumors have said it uses wireless-only controlers, guess this is true.

A better pic can be found here: http://img150.echo.cx/my.php?image=xbox36023xo.jpg (56K WARNING)

[Phat_Pat]

Awesome. Although the Drive looks a little ugly....


well we'll find out in 20 some days :)

[edesignuk]

I'm looking forward to seeing what these next gen consoles are capable of. Should be good.

[Mr. Anderson]

hmm, quite nice from the front. Definitely like the wireless aspect - but I wonder if they'll come with locators so when one gets lost behind the couch you can find it :D

D

[Bubbasteve]

I love it... minus the whole memory input thing. The Hard Drive is one of the main reasons why I like Xbox over Ps2!!! Hopefully they don't get rid of the Hard Drive for the 360

[Daveway]

My first impression is so-so. I'm not impressed, but if refined would look great. Even if its not the final product it may be a prototype. Look at the high rez pic, you can tell it was not a cad production.

Only a few more weeks. :)

My belief is that storage will have to be purchased separately. Notice the "bay" on the far right side?

[Josh396]

I like the idea of wireless controllers, but I think they should make it possible to use wired ones, especially ones from the first XBOX if the controller layout doesn't change (Although I heard it will be similar to PS2). I also hope they keep an internal hard drive to save game data, as that is one of my favorite things about the current XBOX.

As for the design, I like it. Not to sure about the 360 thing though.

[Josh396]

My first impression is so-so. I'm not impressed, but if refined would look great. Even if its not the final product it may be a prototype. Look at the high rez pic, you can tell it was not a cad production.

Only a few more weeks. :)


I agree. I think there are small details they could change that would make it look better.

[keysersoze]

Sorry, not to sound dumb, but is it supposed to stand vertical?

[Daveway]

I agree. I think there are small details they could change that would make it look better.

I think it's the disc drive that throws it off the most. It may just be the picture because the tray is actually mirrored.

[Josh396]

Sorry, not to sound dumb, but is it supposed to stand vertical?

My guess is that it would be similar to the PS2 so yes. But the way the eject button on the drive is placed makes me think no, although that could be easily changed. Also with the sides not being perfectly smooth I would think it would be meant to stand straight up and not lie flat.

[Josh396]

I think it's the disc drive that throws it off the most. It may just be the picture because the tray is actually mirrored.

Yeah after looking at it some more I agree about the drive. I the the color has something to do with it too.

[Deefuzz]

looks cool! So this is the Xbox 2? Any rumors on it being backwards compatible with current xbox games? That would be a nice bonus

[Jalexster]

With the drive lying down, the add-on hard drive plugs in on the left side, on on the top when standing up.

[Josh396]

looks cool! So this is the Xbox 2? Any rumors on it being backwards compatible with current xbox games? That would be a nice bonus

I believe they didn't think it would be backwards compatible but they recently found a way to make it backwards compatible and not be overly expensive. Not exactly sure if this is true though.

[mgargan1]

okay... how the hell are they cooling it? I mean, cooling a G5 is one thing, but 3 of them?! Maybe they're not G5's but some other IBM PPC?

[mgargan1]

and the link is not working... too many hits on the site.

[840quadra]

I love it... minus the whole memory input thing. The Hard Drive is one of the main reasons why I like Xbox over Ps2!!! Hopefully they don't get rid of the Hard Drive for the 360


My PS2 has a hard drive :)

[combatcolin]

Oh dear, looks like a cheap hi fi designed to appeal to 15 year olds.

Oh well, the xBox is a dog to look at but has it where it counts.

[840quadra]

[QUOTE=dotdotdot]http://img.engadget.com/common/images/0646533664364066.JPG?0.4170914521604555

[QUOTE]

Looks like an old Dell Optiplex or Demension Desktop (not tower)

[Bubbasteve]

Maybe they're not G5's but some other IBM PPC?

That would make it...... A COMMUNIST MACHINE -- Sorry I just finished watching Family Guy
:cool:

[Josh396]

That would make it...... A COMMUNIST MACHINE -- Sorry I just finished watching Family Guy
:cool:

How would that make it a communist machine?

[Josh396]

[QUOTE=dotdotdot]http://img.engadget.com/common/images/0646533664364066.JPG?0.4170914521604555

[QUOTE]

Looks like an old Dell Optiplex or Demension Desktop (not tower)

I was thinking the same thing. Does anyone have an idea what the button at the right hand side of the box could be?

[840quadra]

[QUOTE=840quadra][QUOTE=dotdotdot]http://img.engadget.com/common/images/0646533664364066.JPG?0.4170914521604555



I was thinking the same thing. Does anyone have an idea what the button at the right hand side of the box could be?

http://www.pc-handel.nl/images/dellgx260.jpg

I have no idea what the Button would be for, odd that it isn't labeled.

[Flying Llama]

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/0646533664364066.JPG?0.4170914521604555



Looks like an old Dell Optiplex or Demension Desktop (not tower)

:eek:
Well I haven't seen the other pic (site out of bandwidth, can someone post a mirror?) but that is absolutely fugly! Looks cheap, plasticy (is that even a word?), ya like a dell Optiplex and looks like the toys they would play with in Star Trek. Man I hope the other pic looks better or that this is not the real thing... :(

[dotdotdot]

Yeah it looks really... awkward.

The strangest thing is there is no logo, it just says XBOX 360 in a cheap font.

[dotdotdot]

Oh and by the way...

Here is the final image without the stupid tagging.

[Vader]

looks odd, not what I would have expected.

[taeclee99]

Another xbox pic.

[Flying Llama]

Another xbox pic.

Hmm looks slightly better from that angle... :D :rolleyes:

[cheekyspanky]

Another xbox pic.

That'd be the hard drive then? Looks like it says 40GB?

It's certainly different from the current Xbox, not too sure if I like it until I see the whole thing, quite like the Xbox 360 name though.

Looks like it should be vertical - judging by the power button anyway.

I think one of these pictures must be of a prototype - as the colour/texture of the disc drive/button is slightly different on each, as well as the font on the memory card slots, the M looks to be slightly different on each photo.

[Platform]

Will be nice to see how the graphics will be in future games on these consoles :rolleyes:

[dotdotdot]

That'd be the hard drive then? Looks like it says 40GB?

It's certainly different from the current Xbox, not too sure if I like it until I see the whole thing, quite like the Xbox 360 name though.

Looks like it should be vertical - judging by the power button anyway.

I think one of these pictures must be of a prototype - as the colour/texture of the disc drive/button is slightly different on each, as well as the font on the memory card slots, the M looks to be slightly different on each photo.

I think it would be any direction, hence the 360 - not only for the games but for the platform too...

I wish that the new slogan is better than the last - Its Good To Play Together??? Are they selling XBox games or Sex Jelly (thanks, Family guy! LETS GO MAY 1st!)

[GFLPraxis]

It seems XBox 360 pics have been leaked. From the more reliable rumor/news sites, it appears to be real this time.


First of all, last week this was from ourcolony.net. Since that site seems to be run by Microsoft and gives out little vague pictures to winners, this can be considered semi official, maybe a beta picture.

http://xboxmedia.ign.com/xbox/image/article/606/606544/xbox-360-update-42105-20050421031011883-000.jpg



And NOW, the full pics have been leaked (one is a photo, one is computer-rendered):

http://images.spong.com/news/x/b/xbox360ful162761l.jpg

and

http://images.spong.com/news/x/b/xbox360ful162760l.jpg

Anyone notice an astounding similarity between the XBox 360, the PowerMac G5, and the PS2?

Here's a PowerMac G5 (Microsoft development kit :D ) for comparison:
http://images.spong.com/news/x/e/xenonimage162539l.jpg

Same color, same grill.

Here's the XBox 360 and a PowerMac G5.
http://img258.echo.cx/img258/4356/ps2vsxbox28hp.jpg


Interesting.
Spong claims these latest images are with 100% certainty the final design. Spong is sorta like the ThinkSecret of consoles, though they make mistakes once in a while.

http://news.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=8598
http://news.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=8596

[Vader]

Wow!

Nice pics, good find!

[allisonv7]

Where do the controllers plug in at :confused:

Looks pretty cool though!

allison.

[mrzeve]

Wireless controllers.

[GFLPraxis]

BTW the thing on the top is apparently a slot for adding a 40 GB hard drive.

[GFLPraxis]

I think it would be any direction, hence the 360 - not only for the games but for the platform too...

The XBox 360 name is the most contrived thing I have ever heard.

Look at the competition.

Nintendo Revolution.
PlayStation 3


XBox 360...360 degrees is a Revolution, and it has a 3 in the name so it doesn't sound inferior.

Excellent way to rip off both competitors at once, Microsoft!

[GFLPraxis]

okay... how the hell are they cooling it? I mean, cooling a G5 is one thing, but 3 of them?! Maybe they're not G5's but some other IBM PPC?

It's not G5's. It has 3 IBM PowerPC processors, that perform 2 instructions per clock cycle. In comparison, a G5 does 7 instructions per clock cycle IIRC.

So each processor is a LOT slower than a G5.

looks cool! So this is the Xbox 2? Any rumors on it being backwards compatible with current xbox games? That would be a nice bonus

All rumors say no, and all empirical evidence points toward no.

[GFLPraxis]

Yeah I spotted it afterward (it was lower in the list, and not listed as a new post for some reason!), although you didn't have ALL the pictures.
Sorry.

[GFLPraxis]

Thanks to whoever merged the threads!

[edesignuk]

Thanks to whoever merged the threads!;)

[840quadra]

REPOST!

I made this thread yesterday: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=121699

I could be going nuts... but that link brought me back to this thread?!?

[edesignuk]

I could be going nuts... but that link brought me back to this thread?!?Read a couple posts up, threads have been merged ;)

[840quadra]

Read a couple posts up, threads have been merged ;)

Thanks!

I thought my world had gone 360 so to speak ;)

[Josh396]

According to one site there will be two versions available of XBOX 360. The first will be $299 and the second will be $399. The $299 will be basic and not be backwards compatible or have a hard drive. The $399 one will be backwards compatible and have an external hard drive. I can't remember the site I got this from but I'll try to find it and post a link. As for the two models, I'm not so sure. I've heard there would be up to three different models available but I don't think they would seperate them by one being backwards compatible and the other not. Seems like to much of a hassle in production for a gaming console. Also the hard drive may not be the traditional external type. It may be able to slide into the XBOX and act as an internal hard drive but it will also be able to be pulled out and possibly be an mp3 player. The songs might be available to download through the XBOX live service. I don't believe that, but maybe.

[Tech^salvager]

It's not G5's. It has 3 IBM PowerPC processors, that perform 2 instructions per clock cycle. In comparison, a G5 does 7 instructions per clock cycle IIRC.

So each processor is a LOT slower than a G5.

Well what I heard is that its one cpu with three cores with the cpu running in the 3.xghz area. Instead of 3 cpus, infact most of the sites that talk about say one cpu 3 cores.

Can't wait for the xbox 360 to come out though. Also I'm glad for MS using PPC cpus once again...alas to bad I can't run 2k or xp on them though.

[GFLPraxis]

Well what I heard is that its one cpu with three cores with the cpu running in the 3.xghz area. Instead of 3 cpus, infact most of the sites that talk about say one cpu 3 cores.

Can't wait for the xbox 360 to come out though. Also I'm glad for MS using PPC cpus once again...alas to bad I can't run 2k or xp on them though.


Well, there are a lot of rumors about 3.x GHz CPU's, G5's, blah blah blah, but frankly, most people are using google and coming across OLD articles.

Microsoft already gave official numbers to developers.
http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/microsoft-xbox/594331p1.html
To quote:

Xenon's CPU has three 3.0 GHz PowerPC cores. Each core is capable of two instructions per cycle and has an L1 cache with 32 KB for data and 32 KB for instructions. The three cores share 1 MB of L2 cache.


The original rumors were 3.5, but the actual number is 3.0.
Yeah, I meant three cores, not three processors, but each core technically is a processor. It's 3 CPU cores.


Are you the same tech^salvager from the stardestroyer.net boards?

[GFLPraxis]

According to one site there will be two versions available of XBOX 360. The first will be $299 and the second will be $399. The $299 will be basic and not be backwards compatible or have a hard drive. The $399 one will be backwards compatible and have an external hard drive. I can't remember the site I got this from but I'll try to find it and post a link. As for the two models, I'm not so sure. I've heard there would be up to three different models available but I don't think they would seperate them by one being backwards compatible and the other not. Seems like to much of a hassle in production for a gaming console. Also the hard drive may not be the traditional external type. It may be able to slide into the XBOX and act as an internal hard drive but it will also be able to be pulled out and possibly be an mp3 player. The songs might be available to download through the XBOX live service. I don't believe that, but maybe.

The requirements for backwards compatability:
A) A Pentium 3 processor
B) A built in hard drive
C) Some really good software to work around the different brand of graphics card and lack of audio processor.

A P3 and hard drive would be about $100. That would fit.

[Tech^salvager]

The requirements for backwards compatability:
A) A Pentium 3 processor
B) A built in hard drive
C) Some really good software to work around the different brand of graphics card and lack of audio processor.

A P3 and hard drive would be about $100. That would fit.
err if you could emulate it good enough you wouldn't need a x86 cpu

[GFLPraxis]

err if you could emulate it good enough you wouldn't need a x86 cpu

Not possible. XBox 1 games are single threaded, so that negates 2 of the 3 processor cores, and like I said individually each core is FAR slower than a G5.

The system simply could not emulate a 733 MHz Pentium 3 from the XBox.

[Josh396]

The requirements for backwards compatability:
A) A Pentium 3 processor
B) A built in hard drive
C) Some really good software to work around the different brand of graphics card and lack of audio processor.

A P3 and hard drive would be about $100. That would fit.

I remember an article from a past game informer article where a company had software that would make the new XBOX backwards compatible. The question was whether Microsoft would use it and what the cost would be.

[Josh396]

Not possible. XBox 1 games are single threaded, so that negates 2 of the 3 processor cores, and like I said individually each core is FAR slower than a G5.

The system simply could not emulate a 733 MHz Pentium 3 from the XBox.

The question I have is why would the not make XBOX 360 backwards compatible? The only reason the XBOX was somewhat successful was because of good titles. I can't see have a new XBOX not be able to play Halo 2 unless there is a Halo 3 planned for launch, which has already been shot down. Hopefully they'll get it to work.

[GFLPraxis]

I remember an article from a past game informer article where a company had software that would make the new XBOX backwards compatible. The question was whether Microsoft would use it and what the cost would be.


That software was vaporware...I heard about it, was wishful thinking, some company made a big stink about how they had some super-uber-emulation software that could run at nearly the full speed of the processor being emulated but takes a TON of RAM.

No mention was ever made again :rolleyes:




The question I have is why would the not make XBOX 360 backwards compatible? The only reason the XBOX was somewhat successful was because of good titles. I can't see have a new XBOX not be able to play Halo 2 unless there is a Halo 3 planned for launch, which has already been shot down. Hopefully they'll get it to work.

The question is not "why would they not", but "HOW could they?"
Like I said, it requires an x86 processor and hard drive, two things the XBox 360 does NOT have. Perhaps as addons...

Without those, its impossible.


However, I expect the XBox 360to have a remixed Halo 2 released at some point.

[Josh396]

The question is not "why would they not", but "HOW could they?"
Like I said, it requires an x86 processor and hard drive, two things the XBox 360 does NOT have. Perhaps as addons...

Without those, its impossible.


However, I expect the XBox 360to have a remixed Halo 2 released at some point.

I'm not saying that it is possible, I'm just saying that I don't understand why they would change their processors and video cards to make it not possible. Unless it makes for a much better gaming experience then they should have stuck with similar hardware.

[OutThere]

My beef:

Wireless Controllers? Not something I'd go for. Wireless something that is nice to add, but there is no way I would only want wireless, I think that cables are something that need to be there.

Silver and Green? Looks dumb. The PS2 and its smaller counterpart look infinitely more sleek and professional. The xbox looks like it cost 30 bucks at wal-fart. The font that "xbox 360" is printed in adds to the effect.

Maybe it's just me, but does the name "xbox 360" sound a little dated to you? Conjures up images of Anderson Cooper 360 and CNN for me.... :o

[Josh396]

My beef:

Wireless Controllers? Not something I'd go for. Wireless something that is nice to add, but there is no way I would only want wireless, I think that cables are something that need to be there.

I thought the same thing but I would like to have wireless controllers. Although I could see a lot of people that would rather have wired controllers because of cost. Also, would the XBOX be programed for all the controllers? What about 3rd party controllers. I just don't see the point of making wireless controllers the only option. Maybe it won't be though.

[Josh396]

That'd be the hard drive then? Looks like it says 40GB?
40GB seems quite big unless the rumor about making it a removable drive and capable MP3 player are true. How much would a 40GB drive cost compared to about about a 6GB one?

[Josh396]

Does anyone have any idea on when the next Xbox will be realeased? :confused:

[feakbeak]

Does anyone have any idea on when the next Xbox will be realeased? :confused:Rumor has it that it will be out for the coming Christmas season.

[Lord Blackadder]

I won't put down my money just yet, but I'm expecting Sony to score big with the PS3 when it arrives - I think Microsoft took design risks with this new Xbox that will not pay off, and I' a bit underwhelmed by the appearance (of course we saod that about the first one too...:D).

[GFLPraxis]

40GB seems quite big unless the rumor about making it a removable drive and capable MP3 player are true. How much would a 40GB drive cost compared to about about a 6GB one?

It appears to be removable. This is practically confirmed.

No word on the MP3 player rumor.

Does anyone have any idea on when the next Xbox will be realeased?

I believe Microsoft pegged a release date this fall. Was it November? Something like that.

I won't put down my money just yet, but I'm expecting Sony to score big with the PS3 when it arrives - I think Microsoft took design risks with this new Xbox that will not pay off, and I' a bit underwhelmed by the appearance

There is also the fact that they rushed it out the door. MS is convinced Sony won the console war because of their head start, sooo...they'll do anything to get a multi-month lead over the PS3 and Revolution.

Even launch the console before new technology is ready.

MS is launching way too early. Luckily they're waiting JUST long enough for the next generation graphics cards, but they're not waiting long enough for next gen STORAGE. 7 GB DVD's? COME ON PEOPLE, thats the same amount as XBox 1 games could do. Same storage medium. Compare that to 30 GB HD-DVD's and 50 GB Blu-Ray DVD's (confirmed for the PlayStation 3!).

Microsoft is going to be in the same position Nintendo was this time around, with the worst storage (everyone thought that Nintendo's 1.6 GB minidisks were more than enough, boy were they wrong ;) ).


Not to mention lack of backwards compatability, and you still have to pay to play online.

Talk about design risks. MS is praying that people suck up the XBox 360 before the other consoles come out.

[GFLPraxis]

I thought the same thing but I would like to have wireless controllers. Although I could see a lot of people that would rather have wired controllers because of cost. Also, would the XBOX be programed for all the controllers? What about 3rd party controllers. I just don't see the point of making wireless controllers the only option. Maybe it won't be though.

It's not just cost. Think of a four box LAN party (16 players). Guess what? Only 11 channels on the controller. Too bad.

Got a building with a lot of people with the system? More interference.

Own a store and want a display model, but are afraid people will steal the controllers? No choice but to bolt it down.

I'd rather see wired controller slots with the option of sticking a wireless receiver in them. Like the current GameCube and WaveBird setup.

[kuyu]

The storage medium won't be problem after a couple of years, as I fully expect MS to roll out a Steam like service for xbox live. If developers make 14 gb games, then you could download the entire thing as soon as it goes gold master, but can't play it until midnight of release date.

Or, publishers may put out a physical disc with 7 gig's and you download the rest of the game.

Also, considering that most xbox games are under 4 gig's, they've got some room to grow.

[GFLPraxis]

The storage medium won't be problem after a couple of years, as I fully expect MS to roll out a Steam like service for xbox live. If developers make 14 gb games, then you could download the entire thing as soon as it goes gold master, but can't play it until midnight of release date.

Or, publishers may put out a physical disc with 7 gig's and you download the rest of the game.

Also, considering that most xbox games are under 4 gig's, they've got some room to grow.

Not that much room. We're talking about progressing from standard games to HD games. I mean compare N64 to XBox games. HUGE difference in space used.

Games will need textures with 6 times the pixel detail to look good in high definition. VASTLY more detailed models. There are already a couple games that fill the 7 GB disks, it's going to be a huge barrier later on.

I expect its going to mean we won't see as much ingame movies on the XBox 360. I mean, with the PS3 you could put TWO XBox 360 games *AND* 3 or 4 full length movies on one disk... Actually more, since it would probably be H.264.


As for downloading the game, that leaves a few problems.

1) Not everyone has an internet connection hooked up to their console. Last check, 5% of XBox users used Live. So it can't be the primary way to deliver games.

2) XBox 360 does not ship with a hard drive, and the optional one is apparently 40 GB. Can you REALLY put a lot of games on that? Maybe 2 14 GB games...

[ahamilt2]

I love it... minus the whole memory input thing. The Hard Drive is one of the main reasons why I like Xbox over Ps2!!! Hopefully they don't get rid of the Hard Drive for the 360
They've always had the memory input things on the controllers, I'm sure the HD is still there.

[GFLPraxis]

They've always had the memory input things on the controllers, I'm sure the HD is still there.

Like I said, the HD is NOT included in the XBox 360. It's an optional addon. Microsoft has practically confirmed this.

[kuyu]

Not that much room. We're talking about progressing from standard games to HD games. I mean compare N64 to XBox games. HUGE difference in space used.

...

2) XBox 360 does not ship with a hard drive, and the optional one is apparently 40 GB. Can you REALLY put a lot of games on that? Maybe 2 14 GB games...

Well, then I suppose we'll see games on multiple discs. The average xbox game is under 2.5 gb. I remember Phantasmagoria had 7 discs.

I don't see this being a problem until 2008, maybe. And personally, I can't stand CG cut-scenes in games. Too often we play the boring monotonous parts, then watch the cool parts. It should be the other way around.

[Jo-Kun]

on the design: sorry this looks too much as a PC (like the Dell mentioned in this thread), not like a Gaming Console...

what's up with the big powerbutton? they want to make it 200% idiot-proof??

at this point I think if I would buy one (most unlikely) it would be put behind the TV so people don't see the ugly bastard... I allways felt the XBOX being the ugliest desing anyway, Sony changed their PS1 into the PSOne slimmer version, PS2 into the silent revB (in black & silver) and the slimmer RevC... Nintendo has the smaller GameCube wich is cute, in different colors, but on the downside can't play DVD Video.
XBOX remained a big bulky bastard...

why do we need backwards compatibility anyway? only Sony did it with the PS1->2 and using BluRay in the PS3 doesn't mean it will remain that way...

nintendo never did backwards compatible (except GameBoy->Color->Advance but thats a different platform...) and I think it did nobody much harm, because they had the 'old' console for those games and had the new for new games.

allso I don't think first time buyers will buy old games with inferior graphics to run on the new console... I know my brother only bought PS2 games, never the PS1 games.

& when the new consoles come out the old ones remain in the shops for a while at reduction prices, so if you want to play the older games, just pick one up for much less ;-)

but maybe I'm thinking wrong ;-)

[GFLPraxis]

Well, then I suppose we'll see games on multiple discs. The average xbox game is under 2.5 gb. I remember Phantasmagoria had 7 discs.

I don't see this being a problem until 2008, maybe. And personally, I can't stand CG cut-scenes in games. Too often we play the boring monotonous parts, then watch the cool parts. It should be the other way around.

Not cutscenes, I want to see Spider-Man 3 having large parts of the actual movie in it :D

[GFLPraxis]

why do we need backwards compatibility anyway? only Sony did it with the PS1->2 and using BluRay in the PS3 doesn't mean it will remain that way...

nintendo never did backwards compatible (except GameBoy->Color->Advance but thats a different platform...) and I think it did nobody much harm, because they had the 'old' console for those games and had the new for new games.

Yeah, but PS1 games really look like crap. Modern games really do look good, so backwards compatability is a big plus there.

So you know, Nintendo is the only one that went onstage and confirmed backwards compatability. Revolution CAN play GameCube games.

Nothing on PS3. PS3 shouldn't have a problem emulating PS1, don't know about PS2 games.


allso I don't think first time buyers will buy old games with inferior graphics to run on the new console... I know my brother only bought PS2 games, never the PS1 games.


Definitely true, I never bought a PS1 game. BUT its not always true in all cases. For example, I have more GB and GBC games than GBA games for my SP.

Further, Nintendo has another reason for backwards compatability. I suspect the GameCube will outlive the other consoles, because of the minidisks- someday, we will get a handheld that can play GameCube games. Nintendo hinted to this back in 2001.

So having a handheld AND the new console being able to play GC games will keep the games in circulation.

[supergod]

Well, using the three pics we can get a very good idea of the layout of the systems but it seems a bit harder to make out the materials. In the render, the material appears to be a silver plastic. But in the photo with the hard-drive apparent the material really seems to look like Aliminum. Does anyone think the machine will be made of aluminum? This might sound cheesy, but I would be much more likely to buy this machine and put it next to my Powermac G5 if it was aluminum and not just some cheesy plastic.

[kuyu]

I hope it's aluminum. Plastic just seems so cheap.

My only hope is that this round of consoles is more durable than the last. My gamecube, xbox, and ps2 all broke after 2 years. The replacement xbox (which I won!!!) is on the fritz, and the new ps2 is ok (but I don't play anything but san andreas and gt4 on it).

After some relflection, I really don't give a hoot if the 360 is backwards compatible. I never used the PS2's backward com. I'll probably just leave my xbox hooked up to the tv along side the 360.

But, since my cube bit the dust a month ago, I'm ecstatic that the revolution will be back. com. The new Zelda looks amazing.

[kuyu]

Here's my list of games we can expect at launch (or before christmas).

Madden 06 (duh, plus the majority of EA Sports titles)
The Godfather
Halo 2-360
SSX 4
Ninja Gaiden
Moto GP 4
Dead or Alive 360
Morrowind 360

Plus, here's a list of confirmed publishers for the 360
The full list consists of: 2K Games, Activision, Atari, Bandai, Bethesda Softworks, Buena Vista, Capcom, Codemasters, Eidos, Electronic Arts, FromSoftware, InterServ, KOEI, Konami, LucasArts, Majesco, Midway, Namco, Phantagram, Rockstar, SCi, SEGA, Tecmo, THQ, TWP, Ubisoft, Vivendi, and Webzen. Microsoft’s own gaming studios include Bioware, Bizarre Creations, Bungie, Epic, FASA, Lionhead and Rare - will produce exclusive titles for Xbox 2. As will legendary Japanese developers Yoshiki Okamoto, Tetsuya Mizuguchi, and Hironobu Sakaguchi.

[Bobak]

I would like to remind all people that this thread in the section called "Mac Software"

and that xbox really looks ugly, but thinking of that the current xbox is ugly. hope all the next gen game consoles have wireless controlers and wifi as standard no more wire attached to the controler it is really annoying ( i know they can be bought off a third party, but it should be a standar by now).

and this name Xbox 360 is really misleading, no one is really going to bother pronouncing "xbox 360" because it just sound stupid and long, people would just call it the xbox, or xbox 3. but it is only the second xbox, so it will be highly misleading, i suppose microsft do not want to appear to be behind sony by calling it xbox 2 (assuming that sony call the nex playstation "playstation 3"). i would like to hear what their reason for calling it xbox 360 is (i am sure it would be a good laugh).

[Abulia]

The XBox 360 name is the most contrived thing I have ever heard.

Look at the competition.

Nintendo Revolution.
PlayStation 3


XBox 360...360 degrees is a Revolution, and it has a 3 in the name so it doesn't sound inferior.

Excellent way to rip off both competitors at once, Microsoft!Thank you for your contribution. :rolleyes:

[Abulia]

Interesting design. I'd call it an improvement. Would definitely look better than the current Xbox next to my Sony 60" Grand Wega HDTV and HD TiVo. That equipment is also metallic/silver.

Not thrilled about the wireless controller bit. The two versions has been known for some time. In fact, there's a third (rumored) home theater version expected next year. That will be the XBox/DVR combo unit. I think two versions is risky enough, three is outright suicide.

The name -- as others have mentioned -- is clearly to stack up against the PS3. You can't have XBox 2 vs PS3; uneducated soccer moms will buy the unit with the largest number in it. ("It must be better.")

Thank you for sharing the pics!

[supergod]

I originally hated the name Xbox 360, but to be honest it is really growing on me. What's important about the title is that no one is actually going to call it the Xbox 360, they'll end up call it the X360, for short. This is actually a decent name. If it was called the Xbox 2 than the shortened form would be the X2 and this is just a bit too short compared to PS3, not to mention the confusion with all sorts of products, films and such with similar titles.

Nintendo has avoided this whole naming progress with Gamecube and probably with their next gen (revolution) which I think weakens the overall brand: everyone remembers nintendo 64 or N64, supernintendo was SNES and nintendo entertainment system was NES, but there is no abbreviation for gamecube. Plus numbers are cool. In my opinion N64 is the single best name for a gamesystem ever.

Looking through history, the systems that had abbreviated names or names with numbers in them have done better, haven't they? Notice Sega systems, Genesis, Dreamcast, Saturn: no abbreviation, no number, total failures.

Wow. I can't believe I just typed this crap...

[tombo]

er.. yah, the Gamecube is very often shortened to GC, or Cube.

Just did a couple of mins research on some console sites, eurogamer and other such gaming sites.

The Gameboy has very often been shortened to GB, or GBC (colour) and now the GBA Game Boy Advance.
-I even think some of the popular titles from the NES/SNES were given GB suffixes for the handheld versions.

Nintendo has I think been in the thick of it with name shortenings.. still, that's about to stop with Revolution...! :D

[GFLPraxis]

Thank you for your contribution. :rolleyes:

I'm not the first person to have noticed that the name is very similar to the other consoles. Thank you for YOUR contribution (or lack thereof).


The name -- as others have mentioned -- is clearly to stack up against the PS3. You can't have XBox 2 vs PS3; uneducated soccer moms will buy the unit with the largest number in it. ("It must be better.")

Okay, so I say that, and you roll eyes at me, and then quote me as a good comment others have mentioned....yeah. lol

[GFLPraxis]

er.. yah, the Gamecube is very often shortened to GC, or Cube.

Just did a couple of mins research on some console sites, eurogamer and other such gaming sites.

The Gameboy has very often been shortened to GB, or GBC (colour) and now the GBA Game Boy Advance.
-I even think some of the popular titles from the NES/SNES were given GB suffixes for the handheld versions.

Nintendo has I think been in the thick of it with name shortenings.. still, that's about to stop with Revolution...! :D

You mean the Rev? :D

To the previous poster:

NES -> SNES -> N64 -> GC -> Rev
and
GB -> GBC -> GBA -> SP -/- DS

[supergod]

Boo. No one says GB. They say "gameboy". Where sony is smartest is that they really do market their products under the abbreviations: Just look at the PSP. No one is calling it "playstation portable" because that name is junk malarkey. Same with PS2 and ...PS3. Also, does anyone who doesn't own a gamecube refer to the system as a GC? I know plenty of people with gamecubes and have never once heard that term used: maybe it's a cultural thing?

[GFLPraxis]

Boo. No one says GB. They say "gameboy". Where sony is smartest is that they really do market their products under the abbreviations: Just look at the PSP. No one is calling it "playstation portable" because that name is junk malarkey. Same with PS2 and ...PS3. Also, does anyone who doesn't own a gamecube refer to the system as a GC? I know plenty of people with gamecubes and have never once heard that term used: maybe it's a cultural thing?

It's called the GC on internet boards, we call it "GameCube" and 'Cube in real life. But online GC.

[jaseone]

Microsoft is going to be in the same position Nintendo was this time around, with the worst storage (everyone thought that Nintendo's 1.6 GB minidisks were more than enough, boy were they wrong ;) ).

Who says they were wrong and why? It certainly doesn't prevent gorgeous looking games for the Gamecube, Resident Evil 4 anyone?

I for one would wish the console companies would get out of their pissing contest and stop trying to have the best graphics and technical capabilities in their consoles and make games that makes me want to play them over and over. The games these days just don't seem to draw you in and make you want to sit there playing them hours on end, I can remember when the whole family including the grandparents (who introduced me to video games by the way) would sit and enjoy the NES playing Zelda, Metroid or others like The Adventures of Lolo. How about more games like that?

Getting back onto topic though, who would really want something looking like those Xbox 360 pics in their Home Theater rack? Why not make something with a form factor of a slim line DVD player?

[GFLPraxis]

Who says they were wrong and why? It certainly doesn't prevent gorgeous looking games for the Gamecube, Resident Evil 4 anyone?

I for one would wish the console companies would get out of their pissing contest and stop trying to have the best graphics and technical capabilities in their consoles and make games that makes me want to play them over and over. The games these days just don't seem to draw you in and make you want to sit there playing them hours on end, I can remember when the whole family including the grandparents (who introduced me to video games by the way) would sit and enjoy the NES playing Zelda, Metroid or others like The Adventures of Lolo. How about more games like that?

Getting back onto topic though, who would really want something looking like those Xbox 360 pics in their Home Theater rack? Why not make something with a form factor of a slim line DVD player?

Yep, and that is exactly why Resident Evil 4 ships on TWO GameCube disks ;)

[Josh396]

Yep, and that is exactly why Resident Evil 4 ships on TWO GameCube disks ;)

I don't know about everyone else but games on multiple disks never really bothered me. It actually made me feel like I'm getting more for my money, even though it's not necessarily the case.

[Phat_Pat]

Anyone seen the ads on MTV yet? That new logo is pretty cool. (I'm of course assuming its the logo)

[Tech^salvager]

I have to say though I like this new style. good call MS. but those powermac G5s with the development stuff I would like to get my hands on. Wonder what Os they would be running.

[Dagless]

as much as i think the xbox is an OK console, its never been nice in the looks department has it?

probably get it 2 years after the launch date. im in absolutely no rush

[Dagless]

in reply the storage medium on a Gamecube; have you seen any major loading times? the only games i see an actual screen that says "loading" has been 3rd party/multi format release games. its like Doom 3 on the Mac not taking advantage of the dual processors. the discs may only be 1.6Gb (or was it 1.4?) but they are FAST. i doubt similar speeds can be achieved on larger discs. or at least back in 2001.

good example; Metroid Prime. good way to make an absurdly massive world with no loading.

thank god for Xbox's pre-caching too. that saved time for games that had already been played before. but nothing comes on faster than the cube. cept for carts.

i grew up on the Amiga. i've served my time in the loading prison.

[GFLPraxis]

in reply the storage medium on a Gamecube; have you seen any major loading times? the only games i see an actual screen that says "loading" has been 3rd party/multi format release games. its like Doom 3 on the Mac not taking advantage of the dual processors. the discs may only be 1.6Gb (or was it 1.4?) but they are FAST. i doubt similar speeds can be achieved on larger discs. or at least back in 2001.

good example; Metroid Prime. good way to make an absurdly massive world with no loading.

thank god for Xbox's pre-caching too. that saved time for games that had already been played before. but nothing comes on faster than the cube. cept for carts.

i grew up on the Amiga. i've served my time in the loading prison.

Yup, BUT the XBox 360 does not have that fast loading time advantage.
No hard drive = no precaching
Full sized DVD's = no quick loading disks

So it has the disadvantage of the GameCube's medium, but not the advantage.

[Yvan256]

I would like to remind all people that this thread in the section called "Mac Software"

and that xbox really looks ugly, but thinking of that the current xbox is ugly. hope all the next gen game consoles have wireless controlers and wifi as standard no more wire attached to the controler it is really annoying ( i know they can be bought off a third party, but it should be a standar by now).

and this name Xbox 360 is really misleading, no one is really going to bother pronouncing "xbox 360" because it just sound stupid and long, people would just call it the xbox, or xbox 3. but it is only the second xbox, so it will be highly misleading, i suppose microsft do not want to appear to be behind sony by calling it xbox 2 (assuming that sony call the nex playstation "playstation 3"). i would like to hear what their reason for calling it xbox 360 is (i am sure it would be a good laugh).

Worst thing is, if you turn 360 degrees you end up exactly where you started. :)

[Dagless]

regardless of any fancy after-names, the next playstation will be the PS3, the next ninty machine the N5 and the next Xbox the Xbox2.

my take on things.

[GFLPraxis]

Worst thing is, if you turn 360 degrees you end up exactly where you started. :)

Worst thing is actually that it's not back where it started- it's a step back.
XBox 1 advantages over the competition:
First console with online out of the box
Best online support of any console
Best graphics
Best HD support
First console with built in hard drive


XBox 360:
No hard drive.
Only one to charge for online play
Worst graphics


Yup, they turned around 360 degrees and kept walking.

[LethalWolfe]

I for one would wish the console companies would get out of their pissing contest and stop trying to have the best graphics and technical capabilities in their consoles and make games that makes me want to play them over and over.

Isn't that the goal of the companies that make the hardware though? To put the best hardware out into the market place? When I look at the console itself I want to see killer tech specs. Of course those spec's mean crap if there aren't any good games on the platform, but blaming Microsoft 'cause Lucas Arts made a crappy Xbox game doesn't make sense.

I think your mini-rant would be better directed at the game developers, not the hardware developers.


Lethal

[ccool2ax]

That Xbox 360 looks really fake. First of all, what represents something to justify the crappy "360" moniker? second, that doesnt look like real plastic, just some stupid 2d Photoshop!

[ccool2ax]

Looking through history, the systems that had abbreviated names or names with numbers in them have done better, haven't they? Notice Sega systems, Genesis, Dreamcast, Saturn: no abbreviation, no number, total failures.

Wow. I can't believe I just typed this crap...
The Sega Genesis sold the same number of units as the SNES, nad did quite well.

[Tech^salvager]

Worst thing is actually that it's not back where it started- it's a step back.
XBox 1 advantages over the competition:
First console with online out of the box
I think the DC was the first console with that. it came with a modem and had a web browser and its the only console I know still that has a web browser while none others have that.

but will see how bad\good the xbox 360 turns out to be. I'll probably pickup the better version if they have it as the rumor or so says.

[takao]

The Sega Genesis sold the same number of units as the SNES, nad did quite well.

in the US: correct
in europe: got completly smashed

[GFLPraxis]

I think the DC was the first console with that. it came with a modem and had a web browser and its the only console I know still that has a web browser while none others have that.

but will see how bad\good the xbox 360 turns out to be. I'll probably pickup the better version if they have it as the rumor or so says.

The modem was built in? Then you'd be right. I never bought a DC.
Did it have built in Ethernet, or just dialup? Because if it was a 56k modem then the XBox would be first with broadband out of the box.

[Tech^salvager]

The modem was built in? Then you'd be right. I never bought a DC.
Did it have built in Ethernet, or just dialup? Because if it was a 56k modem then the XBox would be first with broadband out of the box.
It was a 56k modem and no it wasn't built in, it was a expasion that came with all the DC's. It got a network adapter but that was to late to little.

Xbox may be the first console with built in network adapter though.

[Poff]

This looks great. No bull. But it doesn't come from Nintendo so I don't want it. :D

[GFLPraxis]

I like the sides, but not the front.

The Power button...its gigantic. Are we supposed to punch it or something?

[Dagless]

The Sega Genesis sold the same number of units as the SNES, nad did quite well.

y'know i really wanted a SNES when I was a kid. Only we got a Mega Drive instead. i tell ya, Sega had skill back then. as much as i love Mario World it has nothing on the pick-up-and-play-ness that Sonic 1 and 2 has.
its funny how it goes; back then the Mega Drive had all the uber-detailed visuals (the pixel art on their games is truly beautiful) yet Nintendo had block colours and just looked so much more basic. yet it trounced the Mega Drive in terms of sales. back then people liked gameplay, now its all who has the biggest and most powerful video card -_-

sad times.

*whips out vintage GB and plays Tetris*

[benpatient]

Yup, they turned around 360 degrees and kept walking.

you do realize that 360 degrees is a full circle? That if you're going west and do a 360 you're still going west?

When insulting, take special care to make logical sense, lest ridicule shall surely follow.

[GFLPraxis]

you do realize that 360 degrees is a full circle? That if you're going west and do a 360 you're still going west?

When insulting, take special care to make logical sense, lest ridicule shall surely follow.

Typo, I meant 180 :D

Geez, I just finished Calculus 2 and STILL can't do my math right.

[supergod]

I regret to inform you that this forum officially... blows. It really went nowhere didn't it?

[Flying Llama]

I regret to inform you that this forum officially... blows. It really went nowhere didn't it?

This forum or thread?

A forum is the entire thing, while a thread is just one topic, like this one "XBox 360 Final Picture".

[supergod]

It's a thread in a forum... however my use of the word is correct. A forum is simply a meeting or discussion. And it still went nowhere.

[Vader]

Well, it is sort of a rumor thread, and people posted possible Xbox 360 specs and such, therefore, I believe that it has indeed gone somewhere.

[jared_kipe]

Typo, I meant 180 :D

Geez, I just finished Calculus 2 and STILL can't do my math right.

Well for your sake I hope in calculus you never ONCE saw degrees.

[GFLPraxis]

Well for your sake I hope in calculus you never ONCE saw degrees.

Yep, lots of radians though.

And I now scream in pain when I see pi, er, pie for sale.

[takao]

just got those 2 links from a friend:
first the xbox 360 complete setup:
http://www.gfdata.de/archiv05-2005-gamefront/xbox2.JPG

(first picture of the camera)

first impression: heavily inspired by the PS 2
i suspect the thing under the powerbutton is a removeable cover to connect non wireless controllers

[combatcolin]

Christ no.

Making something white and sexy is a lot harder than black and sexy.
Hope they offer different case colours.

[Poff]

just got those 2 links from a friend:
first the xbox 360 complete setup:
http://www.gfdata.de/archiv05-2005-gamefront/xbox2.JPG

(first picture of the camera)

first impression: heavily inspired by the PS 2
i suspect the thing under the powerbutton is a removeable cover to connect non wireless controllers

Hmm.. it looks as huge as its predecessor. I'll wait for the revolution, methinks.

[takao]

another impression: the whole thing looks rather big at the top ...together with the differetn colors n the front it looks kinda unbalanced

at least the plastics seems to looks beter now (not as chea pas the first one) and it's smaller

[GFLPraxis]

The final controller (fits everything I've heard, the prototype controller + the XBox 360 button in the middle, which was a round gap on the prototype):

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1387385638449262.JPG

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/8390731317563729.JPG


Yes, its actually called the "XBox 360 button". Anyone notice the Windows button on the bottom of the remote control? :(

[Jalexster]

SNIP'D
Anyone notice the Windows button on the bottom of the remote control? :(

The XBox 360 is supposed to have Media Center extender functions built in. So if you have a Windows XP Media Center boxen, you can stream music, videos, pictures, etc... over it to the XBox 360.

Edit: Damn, forgot to mention: The "Green Button" is used to pull up the Media Center interface when using the remote with the actual Windows Media Center boxen, or to turn the box on when using an Extender. It will also take you back to the Media Center "Start" menu if you are already in the Media Center interface.

Might I also add that Media Center is one of the 5 things that Microsoft can actually do right.

1. Online services (Never had trouble with .NET, Xbox LIVE, Hotmail, MSN, etc...)
2. Games (Microsoft's gaming studios make good games)
3. Hardware (The few items of hardware that Microsoft makes are really solid).
4. The Xbox series.
5. Media Center.

They also make good magnets. Get it?

[GFLPraxis]

The XBox 360 is supposed to have Media Center extender functions built in. So if you have a Windows XP Media Center boxen, you can stream music, videos, pictures, etc... over it to the XBox 360.

Edit: Damn, forgot to mention: The "Green Button" is used to pull up the Media Center interface when using the remote with the actual Windows Media Center boxen, or to turn the box on when using an Extender. It will also take you back to the Media Center "Start" menu if you are already in the Media Center interface.

Might I also add that Media Center is one of the 5 things that Microsoft can actually do right.

1. Online services (Never had trouble with .NET, Xbox LIVE, Hotmail, MSN, etc...)
2. Games (Microsoft's gaming studios make good games)
3. Hardware (The few items of hardware that Microsoft makes are really solid).
4. The Xbox series.
5. Media Center.

They also make good magnets. Get it?

Yeah, I heard all that.

I have to disagree with you though.

1) Online services. While the ones you list work, they work on proprietary standards. Look at Hotmail. They cut POP support. You can't even get it in non-MS mail programs!
2) MS games aren't that good- the good games they sell are the ones that they bought. Halo, Age of Empires (some of my favorite games), Flight sim, etc are all bought ;)
3) Okay, true. But like you said, few.
5) Questionable.

Although I would add PocketPC as one of the good things Microsoft does. PocketPC's rock.

[Daveway]

just got those 2 links from a friend:
first the xbox 360 complete setup:

(first picture of the camera)

first impression: heavily inspired by the PS 2
i suspect the thing under the powerbutton is a removeable cover to connect non wireless controllers

Where was this pic taken and ow do we know it's real. I doubt there would be an XBox 360 prototype just laying around someone's living room (or so it looks).

[Jalexster]

Yeah, I heard all that.

I have to disagree with you though.

1) Online services. While the ones you list work, they work on proprietary standards. Look at Hotmail. They cut POP support. You can't even get it in non-MS mail programs!
2) MS games aren't that good- the good games they sell are the ones that they bought. Halo, Age of Empires (some of my favorite games), Flight sim, etc are all bought ;)
3) Okay, true. But like you said, few.
5) Questionable.

Although I would add PocketPC as one of the good things Microsoft does. PocketPC's rock.

1) As you said, they work on proprietary standard. However, those standard work well. As I said, I have never run into issues with those services.
2) I enjoyed some of the in-house MS Gaming Studio titles.

Also, I can't believe I forgot PocketPC! You are right, they are good.

[GFLPraxis]

1) As you said, they work on proprietary standard. However, those standard work well. As I said, I have never run into issues with those services.
2) I enjoyed some of the in-house MS Gaming Studio titles.

Also, I can't believe I forgot PocketPC! You are right, they are good.

1) I have issues using those services with my software :p Proprietary standards are bad when you use a good proprietary standard to lock someone into a bad program like Outlook that murders your Windows PC by auto-executing attachments.

2) From the titles I know, most in house titles are generic games (shooters, racers, etc). Maybe I'm missing something though, can you name any good ones that MS didn't have someone else make for me?

[GFLPraxis]

Where was this pic taken and ow do we know it's real. I doubt there would be an XBox 360 prototype just laying around someone's living room (or so it looks).

http://engadget.com/entry/1234000490042605/

"what you’re looking at is a real live shot of the Xbox 360 that someone sneakily snapped with their cameraphone at Microsoft’s Xbox360 Revealed launch party in Los Angeles last night."

That also is exactly like the previously leaked pics.

[Daveway]

http://engadget.com/entry/1234000490042605/

"what you’re looking at is a real live shot of the Xbox 360 that someone sneakily snapped with their cameraphone at Microsoft’s Xbox360 Revealed launch party in Los Angeles last night."

That also is exactly like the previously leaked pics.

Either way I'm not impressed by its looks.

[buryyourbrideau]

the rumored prices i have heard are ridiculous. i see it this way. xbox was released one or two years after ps2. it smoked ps2 because it took the power of the ps2 and was upped. now dont get me wrong i am xbox all the way. i dont even own a ps2. but i think they went wrong by releasing this thing way before ps3. xbox 360 will be the hot stuff until ps3 is released. then...SEE YA!

PS3 IMHO will blow this thing away. as sad as that makes me feel :(

[aswitcher]

the rumored prices i have heard are ridiculous. (

What prices have you heard?

[buryyourbrideau]

What prices have you heard?

ive heard something as to there will be three models. 300 for the base one, 400 for one with the hd option and 500 with hd included. dosnt make much sense to me but im guessing those were probably all rumors. guess we will all find out on MTV in 5 days

[Flying Llama]

What prices have you heard?

Well I heard a range of $300-$600... :eek:

Those are just rumors, but I pretty much beleive them...
And no, I will not be buying the "XBox 360", even though I had an XBox and loved it. It's just too expensive, fugly, slow (compared to PS3) and probably won't have too many good games (except maybe Halo, but i'm not paying $600 to play Halo).

:o

[buryyourbrideau]

Well I heard a range of $300-$600... :eek:

Those are just rumors, but I pretty much beleive them...
And no, I will not be buying the "XBox 360", even though I had an XBox and loved it. It's just too expensive, fugly, slow (compared to PS3) and probably won't have too many good games (except maybe Halo, but i'm not paying $600 to play Halo).

:o

agreed!

[aswitcher]

Well I heard a range of $300-$600... :eek:

Those are just rumors, but I pretty much beleive them...
And no, I will not be buying the "XBox 360", even though I had an XBox and loved it. It's just too expensive, fugly, slow (compared to PS3) and probably won't have too many good games (except maybe Halo, but i'm not paying $600 to play Halo).

:o


Given its 3 G5 chips (iirc?) it may be Mac compatible...that could prove to be interesting...

[Poff]

Given its 3 G5 chips (iirc?) it may be Mac compatible...that could prove to be interesting...


Even though they are PowerPC chips, they are very, very, very far from G5 chips..

2 calculations per cycle is bad mojo. I believe someone said that the first pentium processors had 2 calculations/cycle.

[Anarchy99]

Even though they are PowerPC chips, they are very, very, very far from G5 chips..

2 calculations per cycle is bad mojo. I believe someone said that the first pentium processors had 2 calculations/cycle.
from apple's site "the G5 complete at least two 64-bit mathematical calculations per cycle. "
so thats 2 maybe more not a big difference
the high number you all must be thinking of is the cache and i quote "As they are accessed from the L1 cache, up to eight instructions per clock cycle are fetched, "

sorry guys looks like its on par to a standard g5 me im happy about it cause as soon as someone gets linux on it mac-on-linux here i come

:)

[GFLPraxis]

ive heard something as to there will be three models. 300 for the base one, 400 for one with the hd option and 500 with hd included. dosnt make much sense to me but im guessing those were probably all rumors. guess we will all find out on MTV in 5 days

That's not ridiculous- $300 is the cost the XBox was at launch, as well as the PS2.

[GFLPraxis]

from apple's site "the G5 complete at least two 64-bit mathematical calculations per cycle. "
so thats 2 maybe more not a big difference
the high number you all must be thinking of is the cache and i quote "As they are accessed from the L1 cache, up to eight instructions per clock cycle are fetched, "

sorry guys looks like its on par to a standard g5 me im happy about it cause as soon as someone gets linux on it mac-on-linux here i come

:)


The PowerPC processor in XBox 360 is "two instructions per clock cycle", not two mathematical calculations per cycle. Like you said, the G5 gets eight. Poff accidentally said "calculations" instead of "instructions".

CPU - Xenon's CPU has three 3.0 GHz PowerPC cores. Each core is capable of two instructions per cycle and has an L1 cache with 32 KB for data and 32 KB for instructions. The three cores share 1 MB of L2 cache. Alpha 2 developer kits currently have two cores instead of three.

Furthermore, I posted it on another board with a bunch of hardware experts. Some quick analysis revealed the exact specs.

Here you go.

The PPC in the X360 is NOT a PPC970, nor a POWERx derivative (which have OOOE). In fact, as speculated = here (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050309-4686.html) it is the same CPU core as in the PS3, but without the vector units and there are three of them. You may argue against "speculation" but then your argueing that there is another chip exactly identical to the CPU core in PS3 that has never been seen or heard before. I find that exceedingly unlikely, especially considering that only this is the only CPU at IBM has the ability to reach 3Ghz+. In short, it is almost certainly the same, which makes a IOE processor.

EPIC doesn't count as while it is IOE it's also a 6-issue core (compared to 2 for the PPC and 3 for Pentiums) with a huge amount of cache (1.5-9MB L3, 256KB L2), and uses the IA-64 instruction set which was designed to lessen it's IOness, and it still loses to Pentiums and Athlons in integer ops. Integer performance is also the same weakness the much slimmer PPC has to face too. For more realistic CPUs, the 50% claim stands. If you dispute the 50% claim, then you dispute the guy who wrote that, not me. Floating point ops will be much better, which is the PPC's strength, but that's useless in emulation so backwards compatibility is still simply impossible.

[buryyourbrideau]

That's not ridiculous- $300 is the cost the XBox was at launch, as well as the PS2.


seriously though. if you buy a new console that is going to be your main console for three + years. you are gonna buy the "base" model if such a thing exists :confused:

[takao]

well as long as the xbox 360 doesn't cost 479 € at launch like the the first one did in germany/austria...

needless to say that it didn't sell very good ...

[Daveway]

Someones waving a specs flag over there at engadget. Clink (http://engadget.com/entry/1234000267042765)

[Tech^salvager]

http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=29527&Group=1

looks like it has the vector units
not only case look sexy so those specs
EDIT: sorry Daveway beat me to the punch line

[GFLPraxis]

http://www.activewin.com/awin/comments.asp?HeadlineIndex=29527&Group=1

looks like it has the vector units
not only case look sexy so those specs
EDIT: sorry Daveway beat me to the punch line


Fake specs.
1) Detachable 20 gig hard drive? Those shots show 40 and from other leaks nothing is included, its sold seperately.

2) "500 MNz"? Whats MNz? :rolleyes:

3) "CPU Game Math Performance"? Did they make that term up? "9 billion dots per second"? What the heck?

4) 3 USB 2.0 ports- where are these?

5) 3.2 GHz contradicts other sources.

6) There is no onboard audio processor on the XBox 360.

[GFLPraxis]

seriously though. if you buy a new console that is going to be your main console for three + years. you are gonna buy the "base" model if such a thing exists :confused:


5 years actually. Console life is generally five years.

But yeah, I agree. The base model will probably be $300, and you can always buy a hard drive later.

[Abulia]

2) "500 MNz"? Whats MNz? :rolleyes:Nononono!!! It's not MNz, it's Jiggawatts! :D

[GFLPraxis]

Nononono!!! It's not MNz, it's Jiggawatts! :D


It's actually spelled Gigawatt ;) [/nerd]

[Tech^salvager]

Fake specs.
1) Detachable 20 gig hard drive? Those shots show 40 and from other leaks nothing is included, its sold seperately.

2) "500 MNz"? Whats MNz? :rolleyes:

3) "CPU Game Math Performance"? Did they make that term up? "9 billion dots per second"? What the heck?

4) 3 USB 2.0 ports- where are these?

5) 3.2 GHz contradicts other sources.

6) There is no onboard audio processor on the XBox 360.
1.)guess will have to wait for the mtv air

2.)no clue

3.)same

4.)could be in the back, everything dosen't have to be in the front

5.) dunno what others but all the sources I've seen say in teh 3.xGhz range

6.)wait for MTV for more info. AFter looking at the specs I don't think it has a sound proc nor does it say it does. I think it says what it is capable of though.

[GFLPraxis]

1.)guess will have to wait for the mtv air

2.)no clue

3.)same

4.)could be in the back, everything dosen't have to be in the front

5.) dunno what others but all the sources I've seen say in teh 3.xGhz range

6.)wait for MTV for more info. AFter looking at the specs I don't think it has a sound proc nor does it say it does. I think it says what it is capable of though.

1) According to everything we know the hard drive is optional, and we KNOW it is available in 40 GB, so why does it say only 20 and act like it is included?

2) I assume its MHz, but no official writeup would have that kind of mistake.

3) It's made up, obviously. 9 billion pixels per second? My TV set displays 9.2 million pixels per second (640 x 480= 307,200 pixels per frame x 30 frames per second = 9.2 billion pixels per second). An HDTV at 720p displays 55 million pixels per second. Pixels per second is NOT a measurement of processing power. Anyone with half a brain knows that.

4) Guess we'll have to wait for the 12th on that one.

5) The OFFICIAL released numbers are 3 GHz. Not 3.2.

6) The official specs had no audio processor whatsoever.

[Tech^salvager]

dosen't say audio proc in there just says what audio abilitys it has from what
I see.

Where is the offical specs that say its at 3ghz?

[Tech^salvager]

http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/xbox2/xbox2systemL.gif

[Flying Llama]

http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/xbox2/xbox2systemL.gif

Hmm but that graph shows three ppc cores at 3.5+GHZ... not 3 or 3.2 GHZ :confused:

[Tech^salvager]

Hmm but that graph shows three ppc cores at 3.5+GHZ... not 3 or 3.2 GHZ :confused:
seeing as this maybe of been older chat it also shows that it has 256mb on the sheet instead of 512 as the specs say.
but seeing most of it still goes around with what the other sources say I'd have to agree with these new specs.
Alot sites I've seen including gamespy were saying around 3.xghz range.

[GFLPraxis]

GameSpy has the official specs that Microsoft announced at GDC. The pic you posted listing 3.5 GHz, and all the other sites listing 3.5 GHz, that was the previous rumor.


At GDC Microsoft announced it was 3 GHz. GameSpy has the official specs Microsoft released to developers here.

http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/microsoft-xbox/594331p1.html?fromint=1

Anything contradicting is incorrect.

Note that it says 256 MB but another GameSpy article stated that developer concerns mean Microsoft might bump it to 512 before launch.

[Tech^salvager]

GameSpy has the official specs that Microsoft announced at GDC. The pic you posted listing 3.5 GHz, and all the other sites listing 3.5 GHz, that was the previous rumor.


At GDC Microsoft announced it was 3 GHz. GameSpy has the official specs Microsoft released to developers here.

http://xbox.gamespy.com/xbox/microsoft-xbox/594331p1.html?fromint=1

Anything contradicting is incorrect.

Note that it says 256 MB but another GameSpy article stated that developer concerns mean Microsoft might bump it to 512 before launch.
while it does say 3ghz dosen't eman they can't bump it up to 3.2ghz seeing as they made of thought of running it at 3.5+ghz speeds before ago.
just like the ram

[GFLPraxis]

while it does say 3ghz dosen't eman they can't bump it up to 3.2ghz seeing as they made of thought of running it at 3.5+ghz speeds before ago.
just like the ram

Considering IBM has hit road blocks in the clock speed going down would be much more likely than up.

They thought it was 3.5 BEFORE IBM hit the first processor road blocks.

They've hit more since then.

The RAM issue, it was said from the start that they may consider bumping to 512.

[GFLPraxis]

dang double post.

[Abulia]

It's actually spelled Gigawatt ;) [/nerd]Actually, no it's not. It's Jiggawatts. :)

That sound you hear is a geek 80s movie reference going right over your head. :p

[dejo]

Actually, no it's not. It's Jiggawatts. :)

That sound you hear is a geek 80s movie reference going right over your head. :p

Didn't go over my head, Doc Brown...

[Tech^salvager]

Actually, no it's not. It's Jiggawatts. :)

That sound you hear is a geek 80s movie reference going right over your head. :p

from back to the future right?

[GFLPraxis]

Actually, no it's not. It's Jiggawatts. :)

That sound you hear is a geek 80s movie reference going right over your head. :p


No, I remember back to the future perfectly well, Doc misspelled it :p

[Tech^salvager]

No, I remember back to the future perfectly well, Doc misspelled it :p
The 1985 movie Back to the Future featured a time machine which required 1.21 gigawatts of electricity to operate. In the movie the word was pronounced with the correct but now rare "jigawatts".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigawatt

/me has a new way GHz

[GFLPraxis]

The 1985 movie Back to the Future featured a time machine which required 1.21 gigawatts of electricity to operate. In the movie the word was pronounced with the correct but now rare "jigawatts".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigawatt

/me has a new way GHz


Thanks Sherlock, I just said:


No, I remember back to the future perfectly well, Doc misspelled it

and you just told me exactly what I just finished saying I already knew.

[Tech^salvager]

Thanks Sherlock, I just said:


and you just told me exactly what I just finished saying I already knew.
err you said he misspelled it when he didn't.

[GFLPraxis]

err you said he misspelled it when he didn't.

Yes, he said jigga instead of giga. Doc did. In the movie.

[Tech^salvager]

Yes, he said jigga instead of giga.
he pronouced it correctly.

I know he said jigawatts, I've seen the movie before. Sounds good when he says it anyways.

[Flying Llama]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[GFLPraxis]

Ugh. Just...never mind.

[drewyboy]

this is pathetic. Once again.. microsoft following in the footsteps of those actually inovating ideas. well at least the xbox2 isn't such a beast like the first. and once again.. m$ will screw u all over cuz new controllers..new games... blah balh blah. Sony know's what they are doing, and they are doing it much better. You all wait and see.

[cheekyspanky]

Well, I quite like the look of it. If it's reasonably priced - or is within 6 months or so I will probably get one. The online gaming aspect sounds like its going to be really good - and Project Gotham Racing is my favourite game so... ;)

[Lacero]

I might pick one up. Unless Sony can get their PSP 3 out in time for Christmas.

[Prom1]

[QUOTE=Josh396][QUOTE=840quadra]

http://www.pc-handel.nl/images/dellgx260.jpg

I have no idea what the Button would be for, odd that it isn't labeled.

Sadly Quadra this is my current computer for the last 2 years. Soon to be replaced by the latest iMac update. Just not soon enough. Many thanks for posting the picture though, mine being sideways on a mount, reminds me to stay motivated & how quick I want to throw it. :mad:

[GFLPraxis]

I might pick one up. Unless Sony can get their PSP 3 out in time for Christmas.


Assuming you mean PS3, not PSP...

PS3 and Revolution are both due in 2006. Microsoft is rushing the XBox out the door and missing some key technologies to be the only one to launch in 2005.

[GFLPraxis]

Well, I quite like the look of it. If it's reasonably priced - or is within 6 months or so I will probably get one. The online gaming aspect sounds like its going to be really good - and Project Gotham Racing is my favourite game so... ;)


I dunno if its worth it...

Microsoft is still charging, with Sony and Nintendo both offering the same services free and taking pointers from XBox Live on the features they need, being the only one to charge for online might hurt MS in the long run.

[Anarchy99]

I dunno if its worth it...

Microsoft is still charging, with Sony and Nintendo both offering the same services free and taking pointers from XBox Live on the features they need, being the only one to charge for online might hurt MS in the long run.
that would be true but with programs like xboxconnect people have a choice for free online with little to no hastle but live has more games ,less lag and a few other things going for it but live costs money for the better features it seams fair but xbox connect misses the most important feature DLC but with the xbox360 having free dlc and some live features assuming xbconnect or better is made for xbox 2 it will kick ass

[Flying Llama]

that would be true but with programs like xboxconnect people have a choice for free online with little to no hastle but live has more games ,less lag and a few other things going for it but live costs money for the better features it seams fair but xbox connect misses the most important feature DLC but with the xbox360 having free dlc and some live features assuming xbconnect or better is made for xbox 2 it will kick ass

Wow you really need to use periods or more commas! :p ;) :)

[GFLPraxis]

XLink Kai is the same thing as XBConnect except its for all consoles (GameCube, PS2, XBox, and PSP). So the XBox doesn't have a huge advantage there.


What is "free DLC"?

[Abulia]

Ugh. Just...never mind.ROTFLMAO! :D That's what you get for not being able to stand being corrected.

I, on the other hand, do stand corrected and properly admonished. :)

[Abulia]

What is "free DLC"?I think he means "Free DownLoadable Content." If so, I don't see that as a huge selling point; anyone (Sony/Nintendo) can replicate that easily enough.

[Abulia]

Doh. Double post. :o